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Author Topic: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750  (Read 109988 times)

Offline beachcomber

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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #610 on: Mar 26, 2018, 19:16:49 »
My pal's off on Monday [ big shopping list ! ] and I got the last of the parts back at the weekend. Had a good day today and got the old frame mocked up with the dummy motor etc - pretty well as it was in the Red frame.

Things are quite clear in my head now - the belly tank will work spot on [ another 3" of ground clearance from picture ] and I'll certainly get the fuel pump in there. Battery coming back tomorrow and I can measure that up to see if it will fit in there as well. I'll gradually get all the other parts and bodywork sorted and brackets made while he's away, so we can simply switch it back to the bike knowing [ ?? !! ] it will fit. Measuring up for the front spindle tomorrow and also the head steadies. I have another '82 engine that is complete and assembled - that'll be the Weber version while the second '82 engine [ partially stripped ] will be completely stripped ready to be rebuilt for the blower.
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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #611 on: Mar 26, 2018, 21:30:17 »
I get a huge grin every time I see where you are taking this bike. 
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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #612 on: Mar 27, 2018, 12:26:50 »
I get a huge grin every time I see where you are taking this bike. 

Thanx for the encouragement - I'm a happy camper too !!! Mojo DEFINITELY back. Front spindle spacers all measured up now. I was seriously overthinking the solution - unlike me. Nice simple, foolproof job and easy to make - so shouldn't cost me an arm and leg to get made. can't do the back spacing until I get the sprocket on and aligned - no rush as I only need simple spacers. To be on the safe side I've given myself another 1" [ 3" total ] of ground clearance under the belly fairing, but still got 2.4 Imp gallons. Add the GBFO fuel filler pipe and that's probably closer to 3 galls !!
"if at first you don't succeed, you've already been a failure once"

" we're not going back to the sixties - we never left "

"yep, nostalgia ain't what it used to be"

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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #613 on: Mar 27, 2018, 16:29:48 »
Beach - love that belly pan shape.  Good place to start.

Pipes not so much - yet.  They stick out a bit far at the front in their current mock up stage and looking at the left one, it's hard to see how to bring it in tighter - unless you cross them over and allow the left one to dip down so it can be pulled in tight.  That could be very trick looking if you can cut and weld the headers to tuck them in nice and tight. Think "perky" rather than "full bodied" for ideas......

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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #614 on: Mar 27, 2018, 19:11:15 »
Beach - love that belly pan shape.  Good place to start.

Pipes not so much - yet.  They stick out a bit far at the front in their current mock up stage and looking at the left one, it's hard to see how to bring it in tighter - unless you cross them over and allow the left one to dip down so it can be pulled in tight.  That could be very trick looking if you can cut and weld the headers to tuck them in nice and tight. Think "perky" rather than "full bodied" for ideas......

That belly pan was a real shot in the dark ! It's by Ragged Edge Racing - the same guys I got the half fairing from. I just had a set of measurements and a crap photo to go on ! So far it's dropped into place. The back will be extended and moulded round to cover the rear of the fuel cell, and the front will have some sort of mesh grill shaped to meet the engine, but following the general curve.

Exhaust - nowhere near finished playing ! Yes I hear you - I'm thinking neat BSA / Triumph scrambler type fit. As you see it in the pic was just an early throw it together. The nearside pipe will be cut down 3" where it enters the port, which will give me a much neater / tighter curve which in turn will put the collector parallel with the block and about 1" away - at the moment - it's hitting it ! Then the offside pipe from the port will follow very closely and does in fact pretty well line up with the other port. Then the fun starts ! As you know, I am no welder - however with the random bends I bought I can get across to the other port in a neat horizontal sweep - then it's juggling with the other bends I have to get the return into the port. I think I'll have to resort to doing the cut'n shut and then use gaffer tape to hold it all in place until I can get it tacked. Once tacked, I have an ace mig / tig guy that will weld and polish the welds out. This is one area where I am not going to skimp expense - it HAS to look right. What I can't understand, is the when I mocked the exhaust up last year - it WAS tighter and the collector more parallel. Weird - all the bends are the same and I can't see that anything has changed. I'm going to have another go tomorrow - but I think you [ and me ! ] WILL be pleased with the final outcome - I certainly share your vision on this one. ;)

Just realised why it looks so crappy ! - I marked the exhaust where it enters the port where I need to cut it to allow the pipe to go in another 2" and thus tighten the bend up to the engine. Like a twat - I pushed the pipe in to the cut mark - 2" further out  ::)!!!! Must try harder ................ 8)
« Last Edit: Mar 27, 2018, 19:22:58 by beachcomber »
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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #615 on: Mar 27, 2018, 19:38:24 »
The battery in the belly fairing will only work if I lose .4 gallon [ Imp ], bringing it down to a tad over 2. That's not going to get me touring ! But then, it's not that sort of bike ......  ::) I have plenty of options for the battery - where I originally had it under the seat in the electrics tray - even under the "tank". However, I still have to lose a small Nitrous bottle and associated NOS squitter so I'm trying to keep under the tank a free space.

I dropped the Manx tank cover on tonight and I have to say the overall look is just where I wanted it - straight out of the Sixties. Even the half fairing looks "right". I will still use my one off Brass Monza cap on the tank - but it will be a dummy - as the fuel filler will be in the seat - a la Goldie / Manx central oil tank. However - flip the cap open - and hey presto, there's the ignition switch !! Now everyone knows how to steal my bike ::) !

I thank you all for your continued interest and feedback - appreciated guys. ;)
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"yep, nostalgia ain't what it used to be"

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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #616 on: Mar 28, 2018, 00:38:11 »
Looking at those pics it's clearer to see why they cross over to get more space to turn the left pipe.  The A10 is much cleaner looking than I had in mind, so as they say

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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #617 on: Mar 28, 2018, 11:30:21 »
Unfortunately I have to come in front of the downtubes - but anyway ...here's today's effort ! The masking tape doesn't quite hold the line firm enough ::), but here's the rough plan. Amazing what you can do with some random bends, an angle grinder, some masking tape and some round pipe lagging [ inside ]. ;) I'm hoping to be able to ship the assembly off to someone who knows what they're doing to tidy it up and get it welded. I have a complete spare set of random bends for them to work with.

Back to the belly fairing next. I need to finalise the actual fuel cell size and shape then I'll get the mounting brackets made. Once that's all rigid I can mock up the various cosmetic closures and panels.
"if at first you don't succeed, you've already been a failure once"

" we're not going back to the sixties - we never left "

"yep, nostalgia ain't what it used to be"

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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #618 on: Mar 28, 2018, 12:44:13 »
Much nicer exhaust layout.
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Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
« Reply #619 on: Mar 28, 2018, 12:47:19 »
Much nicer exhaust layout.

It's getting there !!
"if at first you don't succeed, you've already been a failure once"

" we're not going back to the sixties - we never left "

"yep, nostalgia ain't what it used to be"

"I used to be indecisive - now I'm not so sure"