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Author Topic: "the Mooch"  (Read 27150 times)

Offline irk miller

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #410 on: Apr 10, 2018, 20:14:10 »
That needs to be renegotiated. The big guys here, get breaks on power, contingent on employee numbers being met.
When there is only one supplier of power, there's really no way to negotiate power.  You need competition to get the better rate.

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« Reply #411 on: Apr 10, 2018, 20:38:35 »
When there is only one supplier of power, there's really no way to negotiate power.  You need competition to get the better rate.
We only have one supplier here, but Tyson, Green Bay Packaging, International Paper etc get breaks. Tyson keeps 300,000sq.ft at -18°, and another 100,000sq.ft at 40°.

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« Reply #412 on: Apr 11, 2018, 01:24:27 »
And since making aluminum takes a whole lot of power, one might expect them to be able to negotiate for good rates.  In Australia ALCOA are one of, if not the, biggest users of electricity and they did a deal with the government that basically said - you give us power cheap and we will employ lots of people and export stuff, and the gubba mint said yes.

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« Reply #413 on: Apr 11, 2018, 01:29:57 »
And since making aluminum takes a whole lot of power, one might expect them to be able to negotiate for good rates.  In Australia ALCOA are one of, if not the, biggest users of electricity and they did a deal with the government that basically said - you give us power cheap and we will employ lots of people and export stuff, and the gubba mint said yes.
The issue is that Santee Cooper is owned by the state of South Carolina.  Their claim is that if they give Century lower rates, cost of delivery will have to be subsidized by citizens.  It's 25% of their power being brought in by Santee Cooper.  There is significant issues happening in South Carolina right now, including a now defunct construction of VC Summer nuclear facility in Fairfield County that cost over $11 billion.  Essentially, the state can't afford to negotiate rates and they're losing an aluminum smelter because of it.

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« Reply #414 on: Apr 11, 2018, 01:38:06 »
All good points and that is a balance that local officials have to grapple with.  It's also a good reason to start talking about the way the grid works (or doesn't work).  Why can't SC buy more power from another producer at lower cost?

The answer is probably complicated, and there are a few vastly expensive generating facilities around that are not very cost effective.

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« Reply #415 on: Apr 11, 2018, 02:20:54 »
The problem is their steel is junk. Metallurgy is all over the map.
Yea, i would not want anything more advanced than rebars from their mills..

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #416 on: Apr 11, 2018, 09:23:37 »
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« Reply #417 on: Apr 12, 2018, 07:11:39 »
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« Reply #418 on: Apr 12, 2018, 10:39:20 »
never a dull moment …
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« Reply #419 on: Apr 13, 2018, 01:41:48 »
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