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Author Topic: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project  (Read 8618 times)

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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #40 on: Sep 11, 2017, 11:14:31 »
Technically, yes. Feasibly, no.

Most companies have opted to include cell-balancing technology along with the battery. EarthX (the brand we carry) was one of the first to start doing so and most of the major manufacturers have started doing it as well. Generally, if the battery is advertised as not needing a special charger, the electronics are usually inside the battery.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #41 on: Sep 11, 2017, 13:55:37 »
So... Tex... you want the 18 gauge one of the 16 gauge?

I'm expecting the total output of the 16 gauge to be better, but the 18 gauge unit should come on sooner in the RPM range. With any luck, both should be making usable power at idle, though.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #42 on: Sep 11, 2017, 14:17:12 »
So... Tex... you want the 18 gauge one of the 16 gauge?

I'm expecting the total output of the 16 gauge to be better, but the 18 gauge unit should come on sooner in the RPM range. With any luck, but should be making usable power at idle, though.
Let's go counterintuitive and do 18 with the usable power at idle.


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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #43 on: Sep 11, 2017, 14:22:49 »
That's right bigger is not better even in Texas lol


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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #44 on: Sep 11, 2017, 15:47:11 »
Can you post a picture of the 3 phase reg/rec with dimensions. Zoöid is function having to follow form lol...


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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #45 on: Sep 11, 2017, 16:24:49 »
Sure thing. Might take a couple of days. Home PC is down right now.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #46 on: Sep 11, 2017, 21:33:56 »
Sonreir what do you project the DC voltage to be at idle?


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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #47 on: Sep 12, 2017, 10:20:03 »
It's hard to say. I tried running the calculations, but without knowing exactly how strong the magnets are in the rotor, it was sort of best-guess territory. If we see mid-13s (using LED headlights), I'll be pretty happy. If we break the 14V mark, we'll need to watch voltage at high revs and be sure the regulator is handling things OK.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #48 on: Sep 12, 2017, 10:44:11 »
It's hard to say. I tried running the calculations, but without knowing exactly how strong the magnets are in the rotor, it was sort of best-guess territory. If we see mid-13s (using LED headlights), I'll be pretty happy. If we break the 14V mark, we'll need to watch voltage at high revs and be sure the regulator is handling things OK.
Ok we are trying to have Zoöid tested and ready for Barber. I have another 175 case that we can mill out to test with...I have a LONG list of problems/opportunities to tackle before we leave... we have our other Sparckmoto reg rectifier mounted where the key switch use to be. As you can see we are building the shortest wiring loom ever. We have the headlights on two dedicated on off switches with one switch has a bright lower white Led with the Top Yellow Led. The other switch is an overtake light and then with the first switch off the brights come on both top and bottom...yea we fancy. Lol.

Here is our biggest problem. The speedcell 4 cell small pack original will run the bike no problem but will not charge fast enough to keep up with the head light draw using our current charging system.  The speed cell does not have battery charging balance technology.  As of right now the speed cell is mounted in the front headlight. That would be an ideal place unless it blows up.

I am going to attach Zooids headlight to the HO stator we have mounted on our CL and test it tonight. It currently powers the Jeep LED headight on bright with the taillight with no problem.   


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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #49 on: Sep 12, 2017, 10:58:30 »
I finished up the soldering on the stator last night. I'll get it into the mail along with a new R/R in the next day or so.
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