Universal Healthcare how does it work?

Sav0r said:
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Jokes aside, I agree with you, Capitalism needs to be removed from health care.

All medical supplies facilities drugs all of it should be non profit almost to the extent the church is, only the doctors, research scientists and staff should profit... If government wants be involved it should be only as an oversight entity, but that still is a problem because who oversees the government.


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Tune-A-Fish© said:
All medical supplies facilities drugs all of it should be non profit almost to the extent the church is, only the doctors, research scientists and staff should profit... If government wants be involved it should be only as an oversight entity, but that still is a problem because who oversees the government.


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Amen buddy. I agree 100%.
 
I am more than happy to pay the Medicare levy in Oz to ensure our public health system is accessible to all.


In no way would I like to see us adopt a system like the US has.
 
hillsy said:
I am more than happy to pay the Medicare levy in Oz to ensure our public health system is accessible to all.
In no way would I like to see us adopt a system like the US has.

+1

Although certain parties (i.e. insurance companies, big pharma, etc.) continue to push to eliminate Medicare.

Crazy
 
Tune-A-Fish© said:
I have a right to bear arms. Does that mean you should buy me guns?

Healthcare is not a right, it's a solution with a price.

Th reason the cost of care is so incredibly high is because of the willingness to pay... just watched a cataracts surgery in Asia that cost with artificial lenses just $20... the lies need to stop before you can ask your public to pay the tab for them.

Nobody would say no to a healthcare plan if it were not a scam in any way and the care needs to be reasonably accurate.



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Tune, you are out of your fucking mind. I'd normally write a rampage of a response to this, but I'm learning trying to change someone's mind who supports the orange one is the same as trying to change someone's mind about abortion (I'm sure you're a pro life nut job as well). So, I will simply sit here slackjawed and shake my head in derision.
 
jag767 said:
Tune, you are out of your fucking mind. I'd normally write a rampage of a response to this, but I'm learning trying to change someone's mind who supports the orange one is the same as trying to change someone's mind about abortion (I'm sure you're a pro life nut job as well). So, I will simply sit here slackjawed and shake my head in derision.

Dead babies can't take things off the shelf.

I don't have an opinion on abortion, I don't listen to either side and believe it's a family decision not mine.


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Agree with you on that one Tune. It's a difficult decision at best and politicians should stay out of it.

Healthcare sure is overpriced in this country and it's time that we started to address that.
 
You would have to be either very rich to afford to have any form of cancer treatment or surgery all paid for by yourself.
Or very stupid.
The american system with health insurance is murder in my eyes, a lot of people cant afford real insurance policies or healthcare, thats the way we are headed in sweden now as well, with the non-contributing migrant flood taking up all the taxpayers healthcare, the system is crashing and us who keep our nose just above water need to sign extra health insurance to afford private hospitals. If we want medical care in time and not get killed by overworked staff.
 
Scooter trash said:
Taxation should give you the modern needs of society. Highways, police, power plants, judicial system, a military not eight times overkill to rule the Earth. Healthcare comes under Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. Life comes under healthcare.

My Girlfriend had to file bankruptcy for care of a female problem. Blackie Anderson lost his trailer court that was supposed to support his wife in retirement. The hospital lawyers took everything and she had to move in with her friend. Ezra Loveridge committed suicide when he was faced with an $80,000 bill for his sick baby. The hospital had a lien on his home and cars and was going through the Attorney General to collect. The US healthcare system is broken and my tax money should help fix it, not buy another super Aircraft Carrier to bomb another country in Blukka Blikka Uranustan cause the leader made us mad.

Well put. Your leaders are insane. Right now Mccain is trying to stronghand sweden into NATO participation, with no perceivable threat from russia whatsoever. Finland, russias closest neighbor to the east are having peaceful relations still, and they killed over 500,000 russians last time. World record.



teazer said:
Did I read that our (US) defense budget is over $600 billion annually and that may not include the wars. Russia by comparison is $61 billion.

I have no way to validate those numbers but even if they are just in the ballpark, WTF are we doing? We seem to squander billions on things like assets we probably don't need and paying outrageous rates to private armies for security forces. Why don't we cut the living crap out of that budget and start doing things in house or just stop doing them altogether.
Yes its over 600 billion now. Your leaders are clearly insane. In the rest of the worlds eyes, we would be safer if the united states were brought down and all the states be separated into nations. We cant have this war mongering any more. We cant have the war machine/military industry create a new mega-conflict.
 
What exactly is a "pro life nut job"?

Are you for grinding up late term fetuses after a partial birth abortion? Only if your grandfather raped you, right?

Cmon man, other than the people picketing outside clinics and yourself, I think you'll find that most people fall in the middle somewhere.


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hillsy said:
I am more than happy to pay the Medicare levy in Oz to ensure our public health system is accessible to all.


In no way would I like to see us adopt a system like the US has.
+2 on that, bloody happy that I live where I live and more that happy to contribute 2% to help all to get basic health cover. Not perfect, but better than the crap being described in the biggest economy on earth. Guess it is a matter of priorities!!!!!
 
XS750AU said:
+2 on that, bloody happy that I live where I live and more that happy to contribute 2% to help all to get basic health cover. Not perfect, but better than the crap being described in the biggest economy on earth. Guess it is a matter of priorities!!!!!
+3 I would rather pay pay for Medicare in my tax and have every cent of spent on someone elses health problem than have it go into the pocket of an insurance company share holder. If every cent of my contribution was spent on someone else, I would very happy. Means that I never had the misfortune to need to use it.
Medical care should not just be for those that can afford to pay insurance. Most people, regardless of wealth, don't choose to be sick or injured.
What is there to be scared of universal basic health care? There is much more to be scared of without it.
Having lived in the USA and now working with expat Americans, I can safely say the US healthcare system is broken compared to ours.

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datadavid said:
Well put. Your leaders are insane. Right now Mccain is trying to stronghand sweden into NATO participation, with no perceivable threat from russia whatsoever. Finland, russias closest neighbor to the east are having peaceful relations still, and they killed over 500,000 russians last time. World record.



Yes its over 600 billion now. Your leaders are clearly insane. In the rest of the worlds eyes, we would be safer if the united states were brought down and all the states be separated into nations. We cant have this war mongering any more. We cant have the war machine/military industry create a new mega-conflict.

Well the defense budget doesn't just cover defense. It is also the sole source for several medical research and prevention programs for both the military and civilians, most notably 100 % of breast cancer research. It covers humanitarian missions to other countries both friend and foe. It funds the largest portion of NATO requirements, including the manning and equipping of EU defense forces.
 
datadavid said:
Well put. Your leaders are insane. Right now Mccain is trying to stronghand sweden into NATO participation, with no perceivable threat from russia whatsoever. Finland, russias closest neighbor to the east are having peaceful relations still, and they killed over 500,000 russians last time. World record.



Yes its over 600 billion now. Your leaders are clearly insane. In the rest of the worlds eyes, we would be safer if the united states were brought down and all the states be separated into nations. We cant have this war mongering any more. We cant have the war machine/military industry create a new mega-conflict.
If the US was no more, Russia and China would walk all over Europe, and the rest of the world.
 
I don't think so. It's not in their interest to do so.

How T.F. do we manage to spend 10 times as much as Russia? Does anyone have a breakdown of what makes up that 600 + billion dollars, so we can see what it looks like after some of those other things are pulled out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States gives a breakdown but sheds no light on the make up. There are a few right wing media reports that lack facts or figures, but nothing so far.
 
Basically $155 billion goes to pay, veteran's benefits, medical care and housing.

$63 billion goes toward research (like DARPA). Some things that have come out of military research spending includes: the internet (originally called Arpanet), Windows (as in Microsoft Windows), GPS, Google Maps (Google Street View), microwave ovens, duct tape, computers, cd players (lasers, in general).

That right there is 1/3 of the total budget.

Operations and Maintenance is another 1/3. That also includes Coast Guard operations and border control, including emergency response. It's not just war.

Military Construction is $8 billion, which includes the Army Corps of Engineers (ie. almost every reservoir, dike and dam in the US). Those reservoirs and dams also feed off that $258 billion Operations and Maintenance budget

Procurement is new equipment. So when they finally decommission that ship built in 1961, sell it to Greece, then fund it's replacement, that money comes from that budget.

I think if we quit all wars, left the Middle East all together and quit providing support for the UN or NATO, we might save $150 billion or 25% of our defense spending.
 
I can't believe y'all didn't know we spend 10 times more on defense than any other nation...been that way for at least a decade and a half from when I checked for the first time. Who knows how long before that.

From everything I've heard about socialized medicine it's great until you have something serious going on and need several specialists and progressive treatments.

What has made all of this health insurance spiral out of control is the fact that some how we think that insurance is supposed to cover every nickel and dime cost of health maintenance. Insurance is supposed to be for catastrophic issues.

How many of your auto insurance policies cover brake replacement, oil changes, or exhaust system replacement? It's absurd to think that an auto policy should cover those items yet health insurance is supposed to cover EVERYTHING...

What do you think auto insurance would cost if it covered all of those general maintenance and repair items...
through.the.roof.

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dilbone said:
I can't believe y'all didn't know we spend 10 times more on defense than any other nation...been that way for at least a decade and a half from when I checked for the first time. Who knows how long before that.

From everything I've heard about socialized medicine it's great until you have something serious going on and need several specialists and progressive treatments.

What has made all of this health insurance spiral out of control is the fact that some how we think that insurance is supposed to cover every nickel and dime cost of health maintenance. Insurance is supposed to be for catastrophic issues.

How many of your auto insurance policies cover brake replacement, oil changes, or exhaust system replacement? It's absurd to think that an auto policy should cover those items yet health insurance is supposed to cover EVERYTHING...

What do you think auto insurance would cost if it covered all of those general maintenance and repair items...
through.the.roof.

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Hmmm, comparing people to cars. Not sure that stacks up....
I live in a "socialised" medical country (that description is part of the problem) and I still pay for my shoes (brake pads) oil (food) and waste removal (exhaust system). They have nothing to do with my health care contribution.
My car insurance covers theft, fire and accidental collision. It doesn't cover my car for illness, cancer or other diseases.
Not only that, I choose to have a car that may or may not need repair and maintenance. Illness is not a choice.

I don't think your reason for high health care costs in the USA is the expectation of what isurance should cover. It think it's a product of the current system. Health care costs in comparable western nations are much lower.

Don't be scared of universal health care. It won't hurt you!


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