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Author Topic: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike  (Read 2042 times)

Offline grandpaul

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Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« on: May 09, 2018, 12:00:49 »
There has been a lot of discussion on this topic, and nobody has spelled it out, so I thought I might do so.

I have registered at least 8 bikes through Vermont, COMPLETELY LEGALLY.



You must have a valid Bill Of Sale to start with, and it MUST include: Date of sale, Seller's name and address, bike's serial number, bike year, make, model & displacement, amount paid, and odometer reading. Or, use the VT form.

I have also used TWO Bills of Sale, one for the frame, and one for the engine, in the case of a Triton.

VT registration application - http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VD-119-Vehicle_Reg_Tax_Title_App.pdf
Instructions - http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VD-119i-Registration_App_Instructions.pdf
Bill Of Sale - http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VT-005-Bill_Of_Sale_Odometer_Cert_0.pdf

Take a clear photo of the bike from the side, as close as you can to get the whole bike in the shot, and rotate the camera frame horizontal so there's not a lot of background above or below. USE THE "BEFORE" PHOTO(S) IF BASKET CASE!

Go to NADA website, select the year & model, find the bike's value, and print out the sheet - http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles

I have at times included a detailed statement challenging the NADA value, based on the fact that certain bikes were obtained as rough basket cases or incomplete, rusty rollers. I was successful by simply extrapolating the lower value based on NADA's values for "Average", Good", and "Excellent", and keeping that number reasonably close to the lowest NADA price if there was a big gap from purchase price to NADA value.

Take the bike to whichever of these will perform the VIN check and sign the VT form, and can provide you with the inspector's statement on their letterhead - state vehicle safety inspection station, police department, highway patrol station, DMV, County Tax Assessor's office, etc.

I have a local State vehicle inspection station that has done dozens of inspections for me over the years; I provide their "letterhead" that I made myself with their shop's logo and address info at the top, a single-sentence statement, and a signature line. Took me 5 minutes to produce with MS Word.

Calculate the tax, add it to the registration fee, and include that amount in a check or money order with the forms, photo, and print-outs, and mail it off WITH CORRECT POSTAGE!

Done.

In about 2 weeks, you get the registration receipt, sometimes same time you get the plate. In a couple more days you get the registration card and a little sticker to put on the plate (not sure why they don't send the whole mess at once, they just don't)

Never worry about buying an untitled motorcycle again, as long as you know the seller is legit, and you can come back to him in a pinch. I've found life is easier if I simply never worry.
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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2018, 12:20:41 »
I was just looking for this info. Thanks!
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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 13:11:12 »
Much better write up than the other thread on here.  Great job and thank you. I need to get on the ball with 2 of mine.
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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2018, 15:53:54 »
FYI I think the VIN certification part of the process only applies to motorcycles over 300cc.
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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2018, 16:10:02 »
Thanks for the nice write-up. I've done 4 bikes this way and it works beautifully.  I've even gotten lazy and stopping including a picture.  A couple of times I accidentally overpaid and they sent me a refund check.

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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2018, 03:18:52 »
Legal?  Certainly in the UK, creating a counterfeit VIN inspectors report would be considered a fraud, and you'd risk ending up picking up the soap for Bubba every night if you got caught.
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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2018, 10:19:02 »

Part Two is identifying exactly how you can (or can not) obtain an actual legal motor vehicle title from the state where you reside - once you have the VT registration in hand.

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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2018, 10:19:38 »
Legal?  Certainly in the UK, creating a counterfeit VIN inspectors report would be considered a fraud, and you'd risk ending up picking up the soap for Bubba every night if you got caught.
I never said I was creating a counterfeit form.

I created a LETTERHEAD with the EXACT CONTACT INFORMATION and logo for the inspector, who runs a very small shop and HAS NO LETTERHEAD, or need of one, until this VT application required one. He gave me permisssion to do so, so it is IN NO WAY illegitimate.

All the form states, is that HIS company is certified, and HE is licensed to conduct vehicle inspection for the state, and includes his certification number. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ILLEGAL.

ALL of this is IN ADDITION TO the VT form that requires the actual VIN be filled in by the inspector after visually verifying it, and the inspector also signs the VT form.
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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2018, 10:25:12 »
Part Two is identifying exactly how you can (or can not) obtain an actual legal motor vehicle title from the state where you reside - once you have the VT registration in hand.
IN ANY CASE of buying with a Bill of Sale, basket case, or out-of-state transfer, CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL DMV AND ASK BEFORE YOU BUY.

MANY states along the East coast WILL NOT ACCEPT STATE OF MAINE REGISTRATIONS because that middleman system ITS out of 'Vegas was a scam operation and states caught on to the loophole.

VT relies on the nationwide system of state-certified operations that perform the actual 50-state database check for stolen vehicles.

IT IS TOTALLY LEGAL, but check with YOUR states' DMV to ensure they accept VT registrations. VT DMV also has a downloadable form on their letterhead stating their "no title on 15 year old & older vehicles" for states that require it (many do)
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Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2018, 10:54:03 »
Hey Paul, have you ever tried transferring a VT reg back to Texas on a motorcycle that was previously titled/registered in Texas? I have an old KZ that was previously titled in TX, which I have already obtained a VT reg for, but I would like to get it transferred BACK over to Texas so its more appealing for buyers here.

I have heard TXDOT doesn't like this procedure, any insight?
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