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Author Topic: Engine inspiration thread!  (Read 106971 times)

Offline cyclhed

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #75 on: Jan 19, 2012, 00:36:59 »
You don't have to mount the carbs the rubber manifolds dampen them. It's good to make sure they are fairly soft and not cracked and don't over tighten the clamps. They will be fine.

Forgot to say nice engine mate!
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Offline atx360

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Re: Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #76 on: Jan 19, 2012, 00:44:25 »
Simple and clean. Sometimes the best approach. What do you mean by mounts for the carbs?

I was thinking about making a bracket that held the Vm30's.
But from what I now understand that's not necessary. EVEN BETTER!

thanks cyclhed

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Offline WNTITAL

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #77 on: Jan 31, 2012, 00:53:06 »
Here are a couple of updated pics.



Offline tprader

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #78 on: Feb 03, 2012, 23:07:27 »
WNTITAL, I have to say, that is about the most beautifully done engine I have ever seen. I am using it as a template for my own cl360 build. Thank you for the eye candy!
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Offline crazypj

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #79 on: Feb 04, 2012, 22:57:50 »
Discussion going on over at SOHC4 about top speed, weight, etc
 I remembered Richard Noble (Thrust 2 SSC)
 anyway,
here's something probably more interesting though (still looking for actual picture of motor)

http://www.jcbpowersystems.com/aboutus/dmaxrecord.aspx

 "The record-breaking JCB444-LSR engine displaces 5-litres, weighs 382kg (dry), and produces 750bhp at 3,800rpm and in excess of 1,500Nm of torque at 2,500 rpm. (over 1100 ft/lbs  8) )
 Two engines were used to set the new record at Bonneville Salt Flats USA in August 2006, with a total power output of 1,500bhp. Yet despite having twice the power and more than four times the weight of an F1 car, DIESELMAX had only half the fuel consumption.
« Last Edit: Feb 04, 2012, 23:04:16 by crazypj »
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Offline WNTITAL

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #80 on: Feb 05, 2012, 10:54:32 »
WNTITAL, I have to say, that is about the most beautifully done engine I have ever seen. I am using it as a template for my own cl360 build. Thank you for the eye candy!

Trader, thanks for the kudos. It was a lot of work to get it like that but well worth it. Please feel free to ask me any questions as you get started on yours. I feel honored that you want to use my motor as a template for yours. More updates to come in my build thread. Motor is finally into the frame and things are moving fast. Thanks again! Good luck with yours.

Offline DesmoDog

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #81 on: Feb 06, 2012, 12:08:35 »
So if you've got an old "barn find" Ducati, this is probably what the engine will look like.


FWIW this is a 1974 750GT. This is their first production V-twin engine, all the Ducati streetbikes were singles before this came out in 1972. This is from the "bevel" era of Ducatis. Specifically this is a roundcase, so called because of the rounded sidecovers. In 1975 they introduced an engine which had more squared off sidecovers. It came to be known as, surprise surprise, a squarecase. BTW - not all Ducatis are desmos. This one isn't. Up until... 1980(?) they were still making bikes with springer heads. In 1974 the only desmo twin available was the 750SS, the lowly GT and the midrange Sport both used valve springs. 

Why they came to be known as bevels:


Cleaned up a bit. The central shaft runs the ignition. The outer two turn the cams, the lower gear spins the oil pump:


Long story short, after a bunch of hours and a few dollars, you can turn the barn find engine into something that looks more like this.


« Last Edit: Feb 06, 2012, 12:15:06 by DesmoDog »

Offline WNTITAL

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #82 on: Feb 06, 2012, 15:06:36 »
Desmodog - Very cool and interesting motor! How long did that take you? Either way a lot of work and looks awesome!

Offline DesmoDog

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #83 on: Feb 06, 2012, 16:15:27 »
Desmodog - Very cool and interesting motor! How long did that take you? Either way a lot of work and looks awesome!

Thanks. The entire bike took a little over three years to get back on the road. The engine itself took over a year if I remember right? There were a few months here and there when nothing got done on it.

Offline WNTITAL

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #84 on: Feb 06, 2012, 17:05:48 »
We have all had those times where nothing get's done. Summer mainly for me. To much other stuff to do around the house. Either way well worth it. Bike looks good!

I am curious, in the first pic you posted, where does the intake to the carb go? The pipe looks like it goes into nothing. Maybe I'm not seeing something that I should be seeing on the other side but the other side looks like the exhaust port. Maybe I'm just not getting it.?>?>

Offline DesmoDog

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #85 on: Feb 06, 2012, 17:33:38 »
I am curious, in the first pic you posted, where does the intake to the carb go? The pipe looks like it goes into nothing. Maybe I'm not seeing something that I should be seeing on the other side but the other side looks like the exhaust port. Maybe I'm just not getting it.?>?>

There are a couple air filters on the stock bike that aren't shown. Here's the rear one, it hides behind the sidecover. The front one hides under the tank, I don't have any pics of it.



The hoses weren't connected to anything when I bought he bike. Here's what that rear filter housing looked like inside! (the top of it is broken away in this shot)


Here's what that spot looks like now;


The pink filter is the breather, that line used to run to the filter housing under the tank.
« Last Edit: Feb 06, 2012, 17:40:00 by DesmoDog »

Offline WNTITAL

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #86 on: Feb 06, 2012, 18:40:39 »
What is that stuff, cat food? Nice solution!! I like that much better.

Offline tprader

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #87 on: Feb 06, 2012, 21:30:42 »
I noticed that the ducat's engine acts as a fully stressed member. That is really innovative. I can't imagine many bikes in that era had such engineering.
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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #88 on: Feb 07, 2012, 01:28:54 »
TP, so was a 1961 Honda CB72.



See.  No down tubes. That was the bike that Laverda copied for the 750 twin.

Offline DesmoDog

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Re: Engine inspiration thread!
« Reply #89 on: Feb 07, 2012, 02:15:42 »
TP, so was a 1961 Honda CB72.

I don't think it was all that uncommon. I know the Ducati singles were set up basically the same way too. Here's one from the early 50s


I don't know who did it first, or when. Vincent did it back in the '40s with the Rapide and it wouldn't surprise me if you could find examples of this back into the '20s. It seems somebody tried just about everything back in the '20s!

Vincent Rapide (1946?)    No downtube.
« Last Edit: Feb 07, 2012, 02:20:15 by DesmoDog »