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Title: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Nov 25, 2017, 02:34:37
So I just initiated a crazy plan. To buy a ace 50 from up in the Sunshine Coast, QLD Australia and ride it back to Adelaide, South Australia over 9 days (~2200kms).

Spare me from telling me I'm insane, i know this :P I'm flying up to get on the bike on Friday.

I have got a lot of back roads and other roads marked up to keep off the highways. With a town at most every 150 kms.

What I have got (or am getting) so far;

Foods
Water
Throttle lock
Motor Oil 1L (will check daily)
Bivy and air mattress (just in case)
Tiny stove and cup (just in case)
First aid kit (small)
Panadol, Voltarin, toiletries
Leather man
Gopro, Mobile, charger and power bank

Now what tools or parts  (other stuff i have ignored) do i need at a minimum? (trying to keep weight down), keeping in mind i do have roadside assist for super unlikely things.

Thanks all,

Crazy Eraser.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Nov 25, 2017, 03:44:22
Added some cable ties and some rubber tape
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 25, 2017, 03:51:09
The 'Ace' might not be fast, but fuel range is good(ish)!

Keep safe and keep us posted.

Good luck,
Crazy



Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Sneikz on Nov 25, 2017, 05:48:22
Sounds like a nice ride. Lucky bugger!
Over that mileage you should give it an oil change. If it's second hand, I'd do one after pickup and another after 1000kms.

I'd also pack a few good metric ring spanners for the chain adjustment 8,10,12 plus axel nut (sorry can't remember size).

And of course don't forget to pack a BIG Smile!!
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: The Mariner on Nov 25, 2017, 06:14:03
I dunno how you'll carry all that stuff plus your massive balls 😁😁 What an adventure ! I'd suggest you also carry a pre-gapped spark plug and plug spanner. Also give some thought to finding a way to carry as much stuff on the bike rather than just in a backpack. Your back will thank me 😁 Good luck !
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Nov 25, 2017, 07:57:15
Thanks guys ;) should be good ill video the trip.. and the getting ready :P and compile it later.

The Mariner, I was looking at your saddlebags from the dog saddle bags sweet, unfortunately i cant get these sent over in time. But Can you tell me what the width of the span is? (width of fuel tank) I did see these https://www.velogear.com.au/bicycle-accessories/panniers-bags/rear-pannier-bags/26l-pannier-bags-oxford.html , but I'm not sure is 140mm wide is wide enough, but im sure i could get them expressed out to me monday.

Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: 2b on Nov 25, 2017, 16:10:51
Great plan.

If it is new, be sure to get the dealer to:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1USvziYIyzfyxfZA1YYpQf9eP4djb0GLWbvWcmME88Gk/edit#gid=230050893

Add a tyre gauge and perhaps a puncture repair kit.
Consider a slim magnetic tank bag. Some of them are double layered and carry heaps.

Morning routine....
Check head light, indicators, brake lights
Oil level
No foreign bodies in tyres
Tyre pressures
Lube the chain every 300-500kms

When you change the oil at the half way mark, consider doing the valve clearances.

Cheers
Richard
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: The Mariner on Nov 25, 2017, 18:33:04
Howdy,

The ACE tank is about 200 wide at the front, tapering down to about 160 wide at the rear.

Tell you what... I'm in Adelaide too so if you'd like I'd be happy to lend you my saddlebag & you can either replace it with a new one (if you'd like to keep it) or just return it clean when you make it home.

If you want, PM me your details & we'll go from there. :)
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Paul in adelaide on Nov 26, 2017, 05:32:25
The fuel reserve is set quite high .  You will turn to reserve at nearly half a tank , so no need to panic . I also have a saddle bag and some spares that you are welcome  to borrow . Location glengowrie .

An idea for small toolkits , remove the universal and shorten the handle  .
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Nov 26, 2017, 22:04:37
Thanks for teh advice all,

Kit at the moment.

I will get some tyre repair goo, oil, chain lube up in QLD on pickup.

I do have a whoile lot of camping stuff but its comign in at around 4kg (light but bulky).. so i might just drop that out and rely on motels and cabins :P.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: spotty on Nov 27, 2017, 00:11:11
couple of rolls of toilet paper just in case
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 27, 2017, 01:39:36
Ford Prefect would recommend packing a towel Ö

Crazy
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: The Mariner on Nov 27, 2017, 02:22:51
Had the pleasure of meeting Eraser today & handing over the saddlebags. They don't hold heaps but every little bit will help.

I also suggested adding some upper cylinder lubricant into the fuel tank to help keep those little valves happy, so here's a  link to a very interesting discussion on using TC-W3 grade 2-stroke oil  (http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-oil-91206/)for just that purpose. I've been using it in my cars & bikes for the last 12 months & have not noticed any problems.

Mix ratio for us metric folks is 1.5ml of oil per litre of petrol.

Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Captain Bean on Nov 27, 2017, 12:25:13
Good luck on your adventure...

I always carry a set of cheapo bicycle lights (the front one clamps on the handlebar and the rear clips on anything back there).

May not be legal but is certainly better than nothing if you have to be out late in the arse end of nowhere and a bulb goes, also means you have a torch anyway for those dropped key moments.

Have fun.

Richard.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 27, 2017, 21:21:26
And I thought riding my 250 single with panniers to ceduna and back to Adelaide  was a big ride. Can I suggest a kidney belt . Just from experience . Vibration does your insides no good on long rides.. als an Adelaide ace rider


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Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Sneikz on Nov 28, 2017, 01:13:27
Had the pleasure of meeting Eraser today & handing over the saddlebags. They don't hold heaps but every little bit will help.

I also suggested adding some upper cylinder lubricant into the fuel tank to help keep those little valves happy, so here's a  link to a very interesting discussion on using TC-W3 grade 2-stroke oil  (http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-oil-91206/)for just that purpose. I've been using it in my cars & bikes for the last 12 months & have not noticed any problems.

Mix ratio for us metric folks is 1.5ml of oil per litre of petrol.
Interesting article. I'll give it a go. Ask wife (nurse) to bring home a syringe for me that holds to 20ml. I normally fill after I hit reserve, which is 6ltrs. So I'll add 12ml when I get home. A great little can of worms, that one.

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Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Nov 28, 2017, 06:19:47
All, thanks ;) leaving this friday, should be on it by 1pm and to the first destination 180kms away by 6:00pm hopefully.
I dropped all the camping equipment, and have a lifestraw incase i run out of potable water (doubtful) and a tiny metho stove I made from an old V can (pic attached) ;). Got a Bluetooth headset so i can listen to music or directions or cry to loved ones :P.

Mariner, Thanks I modded my tool roll (read: cut it in half with scissors) and it fits in one pocket of the saddlebag, so 2kg there. and then other pocket now has the first aid kit, poncho, hand warmers another kg or so there. Smart phone charger will fit in outside pockets and the lock on the other one, so a fair amount of stuff in it. :) I will also see if i can grab some cheap 2 stoke TC-W3 on my journeys, already need to grab some oil and chain lube and some tire goo maybe.

Orrible: thanks I am trying to to bring anything extra, but if i feel it after the first/second day I will go and grab one.

Anyone using a ram mount for their phone/GPS etc? If so where did you secure it?



Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 28, 2017, 07:52:08
You will probably find that the new 'Ace' will get very hot after running for a few hours, especially at this time of the year.

Don't panic if it doesn't want to start after a fuel stop; give it time to cool down. It is probably a good idea to kick-start only as you are less likely to run the battery flat. If it's not going to start in a couple of kicks it's trying to tell you something.

If you're coming through the centre of Sydney I can probably assist with an oil-change and tappet adjustment etc. (will PM phone number).

Best of luck,
Crazy
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: spotty on Nov 28, 2017, 20:47:26
good luck on Friday and don't be tempted to try riding near dark (morning or night) them roos/wallabies/wombats/echidnas/etc will see you as a challenge rather than a threat

and don't forget the bog roll
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Sneikz on Nov 29, 2017, 02:25:43
Anyone using a ram mount for their phone/GPS etc? If so where did you secure it?

Yes, using a Chinese knockoff and have attached it to the left hand front fork using one of the u bolts provided.
http://r.ebay.com/13lQvm
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Captain Bean on Nov 29, 2017, 14:00:35
Forgot to say earlier-Tea. Take tea bags and a flask and make tea every morning. No reason other than it is tea, and tea and bikes go together so well.
Much better than that silly beardy coffee nonsense. Tea is the answer. Always has been and always will be.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Nov 29, 2017, 16:31:30
So looks like i might be getting a bit wet during my trip, which isn't what i was expecting, but then again can we trust the BOM? Fingers crossed this wont cause additional issues, and will only be a sprinkle, as i kinda got summer kit not rain kit.

Stroker: thanks Mate, At the moment i'm planning inland a bit more, Tamworth > Dubbo > Parkes, But always good to have a contact in case of an issue :)

Spotty: No i plan to be asleep as soon as the sun sets ;)

Sneikz: thanks for the picture, i got a Ram mount just hope that it will mount with no issues.

Bean: tea.. got it :), i did almost forget it
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 30, 2017, 10:48:25
Good luck with trip . Iím sure it will go great


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Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2017, 16:19:33
Bon voyage!

Crazy
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: spotty on Nov 30, 2017, 18:58:46
weathers looking good, enjoy and be safe
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2017, 21:23:33
weathers looking good, enjoy and be safe

Have you seen what's heading up from sunny(!) Melbourne?

Crazy
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: spotty on Nov 30, 2017, 22:01:25
super storm has turned out to be a load of arse, bit of rain and one clap of thunder so far. by this time of the day we were supposed to be washed out into the bay (except for my house, we live on top of mount Dandenong, it'll take a noah sized storm to get us up there)
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2017, 23:36:10
we live on top of mount Dandenong, it'll take a noah sized storm to get us up there
True!

Crazy
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Dec 03, 2017, 18:48:45
I wrote a longer post the other day but I think the forum got reset and lost it.
Day One;
Was just a load of delays, the plane was delayed because of storm by 2 hours, my pickup was 1 hour late, and then 35 minutes into riding up in the hinterland the front tube went. Lol so I was on the CB trying to get someone to lend me their compressor, no dice a person at home finally helped, I rode down and got about 6kms to a tyre shop in Landsborough about 10 minutes before they close. They didn't have a tube to fit, they called ahead to another shop about 5 km up the road, I remember then saying" better get going fast they close in 5 minutes" and I'm like "55kph is all I got" lol anyway they thankfully waited for me and fixed it on the spot. By this time we're close to 5pm. I kept on riding Google maps kept sending me down bicycle only tracks which was annoying.
I stopped after one of these bike tracks, frustrated, put it in neutral, hand off clutch, apparently not in nutral in 1st lol fell over,  I laughed people laughed lol. Anyway so I kept on going it's real dark now, headlight on, being overtaken every 2 minutes.. at about 20 KMS out from the northern Brisbane burbs the headlight globe went, so I rode 30 minutes in the bike lane manually flashing hazards when a car came.. I made it to a red dog service station, but no spare globes, so I still had about another 90kms to go but I realised no chance so pulled into a motel for the night.

The bike is running fine, a few small things, jumping into gear is a bit brutal, 1st to nutral when warm is dicky, 2nd to nutral is fine, and when in nutral or first she revs like crazy, but riding is fine (jetting, side effect of derestriction?)

I will write day 2 later today.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: SONIC. on Dec 03, 2017, 19:02:15
You're nuts.
I like it.
I'm in.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 03, 2017, 19:27:10
Hope you are enjoying the trip between the problems. Donít sweat the speed issues. We have a sail boat that does about 12 kph , still is exciting as hell. Be kind to your bike and have the trip of a lifetime!


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Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Popeye SXM on Dec 03, 2017, 19:33:30
Good luck. Many years ago I nursed a tired xt600 1/2 way across OZ. I was helped by a lot by the people I met on the way. An adventure I will never forget. Try not to stress out and enjoy. You have many great, good, bad and ugly moments ahead of you. For me they were great times (OK flats are never fun), just make the most of good bits and take care
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: The Mariner on Dec 03, 2017, 21:54:06
Quote
"55kph is all I got"

Hahahaaa... reminds me of a t-shirt you can get from a bike mob in the U.S.A. who specialise in small-bore bikes like the Hoda Rukus etc.

Printed proudly on the back is "Sorry... it's already wide open !"
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Dec 05, 2017, 01:50:02
So day 2, Going across Brisbane North lakes to hopefully glen Innes  realistically barely outside Brisbane at Wooloomam.

Got up and went to super cheap, they told be to go to Bunnings for the globe lol, went back to the bike and started the trip, the day started out as standard Sunday drivers in stop Start traffic, I had told Google to avoid the highways but it decided the M5 was perfect for me ( I wish I could have used it gotten across Brissy in 30 mins). I stopped at the onramp big sign no mopeds. Told Google to find another way, it took me down a dead end road and onto a bike path along side the M5. I stayed on this to the next exit because I couldn't find an easy way around, I got quite a few abuses thrown at me from the Sunday bike riders, gave them sorry waves. Finally got to a repco again no globe, walked out of repco rain, still 27c  but raining. Looked for a bike shop and found one in Ipswich. Headed up into the hills on the old Highway up hill 25kph down 60kph repeat for an hour. Constantly moving into the bike lane to get people off my ass. At about 1 I got to the bike store in Ipswich and finally got a globe + spare. Fitted, kept driving south pulled over at a pub for some lunch. TBH I remember saying my bag is still too heavy to myself. During lunch I got a phone call, my accommodation cancelled on me for that night due to rains, road closures. Luckily day ones accommodation that I couldn't get to on day one offered to let me stay on day two. I pulled in at about 3pm no more than 80 KMS out south of Ipswich. Beautiful Queenslander parked the bike underneath. Big storms in the horizon, bad mobile signal but enough to re plan around the next days travels, BOM looked bad. Off Highway road getting closed. At about 1am it was pouring. Day three I'll write up soon, doesn't go to plan but that's the adventure. I had a play with the fuel mix screw I could get it to idle nice but then a pita to start. But still runs once it starts.


Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: Sneikz on Dec 05, 2017, 04:06:57
Waze, use Waze. It's a Google company and a better option with support from the community. Set up as a motorcycle.

We're with you.

Enjoy the trip!
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: The Mariner on Dec 05, 2017, 07:18:43
Or use maps.me. Works offline so you don't use your mobile data while riding. Download the maps in advance when you have wifi. Maccas is good for that
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Dec 06, 2017, 18:43:45
Day 3, turn around.

I got off fairly early, realised I'm way behind where I need to be, I took a few extra days of work because of the rain but I needed to get close to 300 this day. As I started to head south, big black storm clouds were racing towards me with the haze of rain under them. I got about 60 km in and the rain hit, at first it's fine, but slowly the road became a river, at one point the water was 10-15cm deep and as cars went past I would literally float off the road ( unfortunately no pictures as I was in a huff, wet, tired, and realising I'm not getting to Adelaide). I finally stopped and turned around and headed back to Brisbane. I grabbed an Airbnb in Wooloowin for the next 4 days. Took the test of the day to get back to Brisbane, I wanted to take the A4 but again reached it and no mopeds. So back through the hills of Brisbane luckily the rain had stopped by now. Funnily enough I didn't have gloves on and I got major sunburn lol. Stopped for Breakfast/lunch colleges crossing and just realised this is all part of the adventure, and to just enjoy myself.

Day 4 I had a play with the Carby, and couldn't understand why the high idle kept going, also this day it literally rained the whole day, didn't stop until about 7 when I went to get a cheese burger lol. Oh also I think today was the day I realised my manual kickstart lever had fallen off lol. I also did maths and realised even if I drove 8 hours a day I can't make it back to ADL, so I put a transport request out on truckit.com.au. and booked a ticket back to Adelaide for the night of day 7.

 Unrelated I'll try those various other mapping solutions.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: spotty on Dec 06, 2017, 19:37:00
bad luck, good try though. if at first you don't succeed etc

did the toilet paper come in handy anyway?
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: The Mariner on Dec 06, 2017, 20:40:13
Bugger...

Tell you what though, I'll give you 100/10 for having the guts to try it. I wouldn't have had the courage to, I can tell you. It mightn't have ended the way you had hoped but it sure was an experience you won't forget in a hurry,and the ACE is still running  :)
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: spotty on Dec 06, 2017, 21:29:11
those ain't balls.....these is balls, and adelaidian ones too

Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: The Mariner on Dec 06, 2017, 23:58:50
I recognise those... I'm a Crow-eater too  :)
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Dec 09, 2017, 01:29:29
Day 5
So after spending Day 4 indoors hiding from the rain and playing with the Carby, i wanted to go for a ride. I also wanted to do an oil change. After much buggering around i decided I would take the 50 to someone who knows the 50's. Firstly I called into a place called scooterroo, they do 50cc scooters, but apparently don't work on bikes. I knew there was a place just outside Brisbane that sold the 50 model so I rode about 50kms to Cleveland QLD, and stopped in at the Cafe racer shop (https://www.caferacershop.com.au/).

Explained some of the issues i was seeing, such as high idle, like flatchat for no reason, and if i changed the fuel screw it would be a PITA to start. Chain tighten, oil change etc. I was going to do the oil change myself but the Super Cheap Auto stores dont have oil return bins out front, so wasnt sure how to dispose of the oil correctly.

Anyway he had a look over, he explained to me with the Chinese carby they are fairly soft (same with the chain), and what happens is if someone else who doesn't know this adjusts the fuel screw, it can gouge internally, which is where the high idle comes from, the needle gets caught then trying to idle. Also another strange issue was the accelerator cable is meant to have a stopper on the end in the carby, my cable doesn't, which meant i could accelerate clockwise and anticlockwise, Also a cable tie was pulled tight on the accelerator cable, restricting the return.

I also asked about a replacement brake lever, kick starter and 70cc upgrade, first two can be gotten and upgrade, no body has any.

So coming out it runs better, less vibrations, but also a bit less power :P (translates to about 5kph slower in top gear {could be all in my mind tho}).

Then I planned to ride the bike over to Stradbroke island, but it was about 2PM and the last ferry back was 5PM, So I rode around looked at the touristy things (like dead canetoads and ocean) and headed back to Brisbane. I think the trip back was the first time i saw some real asses on the road, but they were a minority.

I also think I got my first bid to ship the bike back to Adelaide this day, And had chicken buffalo wings for dinner ;)

Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Dec 10, 2017, 03:36:15
Day 6 - Have a holliday.

I rode over to Stradbroke island and just spent the day at the beach. Sat on the beach looking for jobs and houses (and the females). Arranged for a transport company (FFS transport) to move the bike from QLD to SA for $551 on day 7. Bike is running real well now, getting more confident on it, although going down hill on it at like 70kph still makes me stress lol due to crappyish brakes.

That night I was riding to dinner, and ran out of fuel. Luckily enough for me there was a petrol station up the road. I tried the reserve tank but no dice. Filled her with 8.6ltrs or something and finally got it running again. I will take a closer look at that reserve later.
Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: eraser on Dec 10, 2017, 03:44:36
Day 7 Bike pickup and fly back to Adelaide.

So I had to checkout of where I was staying. Again with my fully loaded backpack I think it was obvious I had brought too much camera equipment with me. Next long ride I will really bring the bare essentials.

My flight was at 18:10 so i had some time, and i hadn't heard from the freight people yet so I went to have a look around Brisbane CBD then finally ended up at the touristy Mount Coot-tha area. At about 12:00 I called the freight guy he said he would meet me at 13:00 at a petrol station. Nice guy, runs freight from Toowoomba, secured the bike correctly and it will be on a truck on Monday.

It was bloody hot, and I walked to the train station and started the journey home from here.

Thanks to all the guys who helped and gave input, all very wise tips and help. Dont worry this wont be the end of slowverland, I have a few semi crazy plans like a flinders run, or a coorong run, hopefully this time with some video and actually successfully get to the destination (although this was an adventure to say the least).

Title: Re: Ace 50 Slowverland trip. QLD > SA
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 10, 2017, 04:34:26
I have a few semi crazy plans Ö

Glad to hear it!

Crazy