Victoria! Zeke's CB175 Build

simo said:
The closer the brakepedal pivot to the swing arm pivot the less this is an issue , or convert it to a cable
actually not the pedal pivot, but the pull end of the rod
and cafe mike's is an example of the worst kind of very severe bump brake effect ,as soon as the suspension on his lashup starts compressing, it starts trying to apply brake
 
Texasstar said:
thank XB we are pulling! No I wasn't aware until you mentioned it! Will watch from now on.


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just undo the shocks and observe as the wheel/swingarm travels its normal path, it will tell all ;)
 
here is a PERFECTLY placed brake pedal/rod pull
it was very critical with these bikes because of the long suspension travel
also notice the very tight, close to the pivot c/s sprocket, maico was first mfg to do this,early on they even used a seperate 3rd output countershaft just to get it close
it minimized chain slack variations
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xb33bsa said:
here is a PERFECTLY placed brake pedal/rod pull
it was very critical with these bikes because of the long suspension travel
also notice the very tight, close to the pivot c/s sprocket, maico was first mfg to do this,early on they even used a seperate 3rd output countershaft just to get it close
it minimized chain slack variations
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xb33bsa said:
actually not the pedal pivot, but the pull end of the rod
and cafe mike's is an example of the worst kind of very severe bump brake effect ,as soon as the suspension on his lashup starts compressing, it starts trying to apply brake
Wait a minute. I have enough force multiplication applied through lever moment. I have 3/8" movement on the pedal at full bottomed out stance. I have removed the shocks and lowered frame down while spinning tire and had zero drag applied to the shoes. My biggest hurdle was bump stop brake due to lever weight. Hence the spring sprang sprung on lever.
 
I agree. The mechanical rod type setups take some thinking and geometry. We should be engineering a hydraulic set up to include master/ slave converted to push mechanical lever. Done. Kiss
 
Personally I found bump operation of badly designed rear brake to be a major issue when trying to ride fast so totaly refuse to set mine up with rod pivot that far back.
I had a 1980 'Alpha One' Maico 490 for 8 yrs, rear brake was very easy to use compared with many other contemporary MX bikes (and newer ones) The 250 is a later model with reed valve induction, redesigned suspension and Ohlins instead or early design with Corto Cosse (as used bt Ferrari ;D )
Until you ride something with properly designed set up you just don't know how bad what you have is.
 
crazypj said:
Personally I found bump operation of badly designed rear brake to be a major issue when trying to ride fast so totaly refuse to set mine up with rod pivot that far back.
I had a 1980 'Alpha One' Maico 490 for 8 yrs, rear brake was very easy to use compared with many other contemporary MX bikes (and newer ones) The 250 is a later model with reed valve induction, redesigned suspension and Ohlins instead or early design with Corto Cosse (as used bt Ferrari ;D )
Until you ride something with properly designed set up you just don't know how bad what you have is.

What are the issues with a cable ? Stretch / snap/ something else to lube ?
 
simo said:
What are the issues with a cable ? Stretch / snap/ something else to lube ?
No. The cable is the mechanical solution to brake bump, as the limit of stretch in a cable setup is the length of the cable housing. I think it's a bit less organized but, helps solve the issue completely without having to migrate to disc brakes.

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Simo, I read that wrong. I agree with you, those are the disadvantages of cable setup.

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HEBO used to do a hydraulic clutch conversion ,the slave had a wire pull (there are similar pit bike versions that I think work on incomparable oil, not brake fluid) but there are probably other small bore pull slaves that would give you a hydraulic drum without too much fabrication

If it's race legal ?
 
Ok guys back brakes are dialed in. New pads come in today for the front and then we can start safety wiring. We will be sending our other liners back for the race compound liners...we want to do stoppies ;) Any tips and tricks on safety wiring would be appreciated. We installed a new magnetic drain plug that is pre drilled and so was our vent filler plug. Kop said to use old cheap Chinese sockets for jigs! Was thinking one of the cheap harbor freight little vices and a drill press for the socket bolts?


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Nobody loves motorcycles more than Zeke http://youtu.be/l5h7A92VX0o


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Texasstar said:
Ok guys back brakes are dialed in. New pads come in today for the front and then we can start safety wiring. We will be sending our other liners back for the race compound liners...we want to do stoppies ;) Any tips and tricks on safety wiring would be appreciated. We installed a new magnetic drain plug that is pre drilled and so was our vent filler plug. Kop said to use old cheap Chinese sockets for jigs! Was thinking one of the cheap harbor freight little vices and a drill press for the socket bolts?


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I find the key to drilling anything round is a good center punch and a drill press vise
 
He is growing up fast.. Thanks guys for helping us make memories. 2 years between pix
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This whole thread is retarded in the most wonderful way possible.
This is like eating a pound of bacon, covered in maple syrup.
It makes no sense to do it, until you do it.

Major props
 
We got our interim Vesrah 450 brake shoes from Vintage Brake today and there is a 1 1/2" more of contact pad per side vs the stock brake pads
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Cables are the only way to go.......

Use a drill press and buy 1/16" drill bits in bulk. If I have space I sometimes just cross drill the head from one flat to teh one opposite, but if I want it to look more professional I start the hole on one flat and when it's about 1/16 to 1/8" deep I rotate the bolt so that the drill bit is now drill from that flat to the one next to it.

If you don't have a jig, grab a slab of say 1" x 1" steel and drill and tap a few holes for say 6mm x 1.0mm, 8x 1.25 etc for the common sizes and use that to screw the bolts into to hold them still as you drill them. Use a nut on teh other side to resist rotation if necessary. And did I mention, but lots of drill bits. They tend to be a little fragile and as things move they fall apart. Maybe there are some tougher Texan drill bits that can handle more stress. :)
 
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