New to me GR650X Tempter
- Thread starter Tuner Automotive
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Hope you haven't torn the side off the engine case yet. Odds are good you won't need to do it and ruin the gasket. I got the same advice when I was working on the starter for mine, but being on a budget I took the starter apart first as it was a cheaper fix. Turned out to be lucky stroke.
Actually, the starter gear does pop out when you engage it and it was just spinning when I pulled it out. I put new brushes in and that shaft popped out as nicely as you please when I hit it juice. I replaced it when it ate the brushes for the second time. The commuitator was pretty roached.
Replaced it with one off a GS and simply replaced the end cap with the one off the GR starter to get the right bolt patern. The GS starter had offset bolts while the GR does not. Unfortunately, I don't know which GS it came off. A GSR member thought he was selling me a GR starter and it wasn't. I experimented after I got it and it worked.
My starter had exactly the same symptoms as yours.
When it works correctly the gear will shoot out when engaged and connect with the larger gear to crank the engine over.
I'm betting that if you pop off the end with the bolts holes you will find a bunch of carbon and a couple of copper wires with nothing on them. Supposed to be four brushes in the starter...mine had two left and they weren't in good shape.
Hope you haven't torn the side off the engine case yet. Odds are good you won't need to do it and ruin the gasket. I got the same advice when I was working on the starter for mine, but being on a budget I took the starter apart first as it was a cheaper fix. Turned out to be lucky stroke.
Actually, the starter gear does pop out when you engage it and it was just spinning when I pulled it out. I put new brushes in and that shaft popped out as nicely as you please when I hit it juice. I replaced it when it ate the brushes for the second time. The commuitator was pretty roached.
Replaced it with one off a GS and simply replaced the end cap with the one off the GR starter to get the right bolt patern. The GS starter had offset bolts while the GR does not. Unfortunately, I don't know which GS it came off. A GSR member thought he was selling me a GR starter and it wasn't. I experimented after I got it and it worked.
My starter had exactly the same symptoms as yours.
When it works correctly the gear will shoot out when engaged and connect with the larger gear to crank the engine over.
I'm betting that if you pop off the end with the bolts holes you will find a bunch of carbon and a couple of copper wires with nothing on them. Supposed to be four brushes in the starter...mine had two left and they weren't in good shape.
Tuner Automotive
If its got a motor , I want it
oldrookie - interesting. Big Rich , can you confirm this as well ? Ill open the starter up today and take a peak. thx
Big Rich - Ill probably save my money for that instrument cluster and turn signal stalk . Ill just make my own gasket out of gasket maker if I still have to crack it open.
Big Rich - Ill probably save my money for that instrument cluster and turn signal stalk . Ill just make my own gasket out of gasket maker if I still have to crack it open.
Big R
Heaven is so far away.
It could very well be the brushes in the motor are worn out. There are replacements around on eBay. I think the starter rebuild is around $20 or so?
All joking aside, gasket maker is bad stuff. I don't have any spare gaskets, but I highly recommend buying a gasket set.
All joking aside, gasket maker is bad stuff. I don't have any spare gaskets, but I highly recommend buying a gasket set.
Here's the ebay dealer I bought the rebuild kit from. Good price and good service the one time I used him.
http://stores.ebay.com/DB-Electrical-Starters-Alternators?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
Here's the info I dug up on the starter when I was researching mine.
Starter is a Mitsuba SM-8227 and the kit is an RBK-40.
Confirm this info before buying, but it was accurate for my bike.
http://stores.ebay.com/DB-Electrical-Starters-Alternators?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
Here's the info I dug up on the starter when I was researching mine.
Starter is a Mitsuba SM-8227 and the kit is an RBK-40.
Confirm this info before buying, but it was accurate for my bike.
Tuner Automotive
If its got a motor , I want it
oldrookie - thx!
Cookie
God help the child who grows out of everything
Hey Tuner, welcome to DTT and to the wonderful world of the Tempter!
As previously mentioned, Big Rich is the go-to guy for all things Tempter. He's made my life significantly easier since I acquired mine! As to your starter issue, the starter on the GR650 has a fixed gear machined into the armature of the starter. This drives the starter one-way clutch which is what pops out to engage the flywheel. Once the engine catches, the one-way allows the mid gear to return to its rest position.
Here's a link to the Tempter's Factory Service Manual in PDF format.
http://www.vanluik.eu/GR%20650%20tempter%20Service%20manual%20(eng)%201983-1984.pdf
I'd advise downloading it for your own purposes, I've always had better luck with OEM manuals than Clymer manuals.
The Starting System info begins on Pg 162 of 268.
As previously mentioned, Big Rich is the go-to guy for all things Tempter. He's made my life significantly easier since I acquired mine! As to your starter issue, the starter on the GR650 has a fixed gear machined into the armature of the starter. This drives the starter one-way clutch which is what pops out to engage the flywheel. Once the engine catches, the one-way allows the mid gear to return to its rest position.
Here's a link to the Tempter's Factory Service Manual in PDF format.
http://www.vanluik.eu/GR%20650%20tempter%20Service%20manual%20(eng)%201983-1984.pdf
I'd advise downloading it for your own purposes, I've always had better luck with OEM manuals than Clymer manuals.
The Starting System info begins on Pg 162 of 268.
Tuner Automotive
If its got a motor , I want it
Thx Cookie .
So is it the 2nd gear that pops out or is it the gear on the starter cuz I had my starter apart and I cant see how it can physically eject from the housing to engage .
Maybe I have some sort of hybrid that someone has hacked together as I also have zero markings on the starter to ID it.
So is it the 2nd gear that pops out or is it the gear on the starter cuz I had my starter apart and I cant see how it can physically eject from the housing to engage .
Maybe I have some sort of hybrid that someone has hacked together as I also have zero markings on the starter to ID it.
Tuner Automotive
If its got a motor , I want it
Cookie - thats what I thought.
Looks like Im cracking open the side case eh
Looks like Im cracking open the side case eh
Tuner Automotive
If its got a motor , I want it
Just ordered ..... starter rebuild kit ..... http://www.ebay.com/itm/130622197605?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_3556wt_1239
Okay, now I am confused. On my starter, when power is applied, the armature sticking out of the starter spins up and snaps out to engage the starting mechanism inside the side cover of the engine and then retracts back into the starter once power is removed.
It was the fact that the armature was NOT sliding out when power was applied that prevented the bike from starting. Once I got it rebuilt I held it down with my foot and applied power and watched the shaft snap out into position when it spun up.
I spent a lot of time inside mine when I rebuilt it and I don't recall a second gear.
What second gear are y'all referring too?
It was the fact that the armature was NOT sliding out when power was applied that prevented the bike from starting. Once I got it rebuilt I held it down with my foot and applied power and watched the shaft snap out into position when it spun up.
I spent a lot of time inside mine when I rebuilt it and I don't recall a second gear.
What second gear are y'all referring too?
Tuner Automotive
If its got a motor , I want it
I dont know what to tell ya oldrookie. All I know is these old bikes are like old VW beetles. Yeah they were all the same some 30-40 years ago but now ....30/40 years later , they have been hacked on all over and nothing is really "factory" anymore.
My starter needed rebuilt anyways so we will see what the outcome is after I rebuild it.
Picking up build #2 on sunday for my wife. 1980 GS 450 .
My starter needed rebuilt anyways so we will see what the outcome is after I rebuild it.
Picking up build #2 on sunday for my wife. 1980 GS 450 .
Big R
Heaven is so far away.
A 1980 GS450? Hopefully it's the S or E model......
Ok, here's the starter motor:
http://www.boulevardsuzuki.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=94167&category=Motorcycles&make=SUZUKI&year=1983&fveh=2125
Part #2 has the gear that sticks through the left side of the motor to actuate the starter clutch. Speaking of starter clutch......:
http://www.boulevardsuzuki.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=94158&category=Motorcycles&make=SUZUKI&year=1983&fveh=2125
Part #8 is the spring loaded part I was talking about earlier. You'll actually see how it all works once you open it up and look inside. It's tougher to explain than it is to actually get a hand on it.
Ok, here's the starter motor:
http://www.boulevardsuzuki.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=94167&category=Motorcycles&make=SUZUKI&year=1983&fveh=2125
Part #2 has the gear that sticks through the left side of the motor to actuate the starter clutch. Speaking of starter clutch......:
http://www.boulevardsuzuki.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=94158&category=Motorcycles&make=SUZUKI&year=1983&fveh=2125
Part #8 is the spring loaded part I was talking about earlier. You'll actually see how it all works once you open it up and look inside. It's tougher to explain than it is to actually get a hand on it.
Big Rich said:
Ahhh, we are talking about the same part then, Big Rich. The gears are cut into the end of the armature and that it is the part that snaps out to engage the starter clutch inside the engine cover. I may have used the wrong terminology, or understood something someone wrote incorrectly, but we are in agreement.
So, assuming the issue is the starter (and if that part is not sliding out to the left when power is applied--it is the starter) then a rebuild should solve the issue we were talking about above.
Tuner Automotive
If its got a motor , I want it
Buggers , wrong rebuild kit.
Big Rich - got a good working unit for sale ?
Big Rich - got a good working unit for sale ?
