KZ400 gasoline question

SONIC. said:
Pass.
I pay 75 bucks a year for bike insurance.....
you?
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25 a month. Hahaha. But that's replacement value for a similar bike in similar condition. If I can't find an late 70's early 80's Honda in similar shape for less then 5000 they give me 5000 hahaha.
 
2_DONE_THE_TON said:
if you americans would spend one percent of your money spent on tanks planes aircrafts and wars you would probably have a FREE health system.
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So fucking true, and Eisenhower warned us. :mad:

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mydlyfkryzis said:
I have a few Canadian Friends. If you have an emergency, the socialist system works for "free", but if the issue is elective, hope you don;t mind waiting a few months or years....A lot of Canadians come to the US for the elctive surgery because the wait time is so much less.
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You have the option here to pay for elective surgery from a private surgeon to have it done sooner. A lot of people don't know that though.
 
D4N63R said:
You have the option here to pay for elective surgery from a private surgeon to have it done sooner. A lot of people don't know that though.
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So you pay taxes for socialist medicine, but if you want to go sooner, you pay extra....Nice system...What's the point of socialism if you have to pay anyway. Who is profiting from the extra payment? Free medicine unless you want it timely!

Personally, I prefer to keep my money and decide how I want to spend it. I don't believe the government (any government) knows better.
 
If it's an elective (read: dont need it to keep you alive) surgury, who gives a fuck if you have to wait?
 
So you can't walk without the surgery but you won't die. Wait 2 years for it?

You have gallstones ( painful to the point of being incapacitated) so you wait ?

You must be kidding!

I am not talking nose job. We are talking serious issues but they aren't killing you, only making you immobile and/or unable to function.

I like getting back on my feet sooner, not later.



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KTM's are made in Austria so it can't be to bad of a place.



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mydlyfkryzis said:
The Octane ratings in the early 70's was RON, Research octane Number. Nowadays we use PON, pump octane Number. 96 RON is equivalent to 86 PON today. If the owners manual says 95 RON for the bike (The 1976 Honda manual says 95 RON or 86 PON) then 87 is fine. Putting higher octane in then necessary is not giving you any benefit except lightening your wallet faster.

Leaded? Not needed on any bike made in the mid 70's and later, and 2 strokes (Your Kz is not a 2 stroke, I know) hate lead as it depositis on the spark plug electrodes and kills the plugs. Unleaded gas cam out in the mid 70's when Cars started using catalytic converters. By 1975, leaded gas was getting hard to find, most weere unleaded or low lead. The engine mfg's had already hardened valve seats and lead was no longer needed.

But even older bikes live ok without lead.
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Pretty much any Japanese bike made after 1977 was designed for low lead or no lead, US market maybe 1973~74?
In Europe they used PON in the 70's (average of RON and MON)
Britain didn't go fully unleaded until 2000 (or maybe 2003?) Multitudes of tests were carried out showing severe valve and seat recession in older vehicles
I like to speculate the MP's and people running the country didn't want to pay to have hardened valve seats fitted in their vintage Rollers and Bently's so it was easier to just let things be and increase tax (about 82% of total cost in Britain)

2_DONE_THE_TON said:
lol you americans are terrified by socialistic politics...i think you confuse it with communism.

the only thing that the socialism brought to our society is cheap/free healtcare.socialists rebuilt our state after ww2 and brought affordable flats and made austria one of the richest countries in the european union.

the only thing i hate are the gasoline prices and the regulations on motorcycles :)


and nebr...i think there is no comparison to the american drinking/diet habits :)
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I know plenty of Americans who don't watch Fox but still equate communism with socialism and really DON'T know the difference (or want to find out).

So many US 'freedom's' have already been given up or taken away that unless your a billionaire with vested interests, socialism would probably be a good thing?
OK, that's politics, when do we start on religion? ;D
 
mydlyfkryzis said:
So you can't walk without the surgery but you won't die. Wait 2 years for it?

You have gallstones ( painful to the point of being incapacitated) so you wait ?

You must be kidding!

I am not talking nose job. We are talking serious issues but they aren't killing you, only making you immobile and/or unable to function.

I like getting back on my feet sooner, not later.



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that about covers, you're just talking extremes though. there have been three elective surgeries in my family, both of my sisters have had them. Neither paid a cent and both went from deciding to have it, to having it done in around 6 weeks (one of which was actually having her nose broken and reset). The idea is that all the serious stuff comes first, for free, so you dont end up like my room mate who had moved to California with his family when he was a kid, ended up with testicular cancer and had to move back for treatment.

A friend of mines facebook post summed it up rather well last week.

"If Breaking Bad was set in Canada, it would have been the most boring and short show on tv.

"Walter, you have cancer. Treatment starts next week."

End."

yep.
 
There is a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration from people who don't have any actual facts. Canada's health care system works very well the vast majority of the time. As with any system, problems and abuses exist, and adjustments/improvements are always being instituted.

Even with all the money that I pay, I still have to wait weeks or months to see some of my specialists. Even my general practitioner, I usually have to make an appointment for a routine health exam 2 months in advance. He closed his practice several years ago, because he can't handle any more patients. Any of my doctors will "work me in" same day if I have an urgent need to see them.

If we had universal health car in the US, would it lead to longer wait times for non-urgent care? Probably, because we would be adding 40 million people to the system. Duh!

The system that we have here now, is the most expensive in the World, yet anyway that you can quantify results, the US ranks about 39th in the quality of health of its population. Many third World countries do better.

For-profit health care is just plain wrong. EVERY other industrialized nation in the World has universal health care EVERY ONE! We are a wealthy nation. We can do better than this.
 
i get the american feel about the freedom of doing what you want to do whenever you want.i think the worst thing that happens is dictatorship in any way.
but what happened after "patriot act"?i mean you reelected bush.

in europe we are 100 % ok paying more taxes for the better of EVERYONE.
you dont not solely invest in better treatments for you neighour but also for your kids.
we do not drop expensive bombs on the head of 3rd world countries,altough i respect the war on terrorism,it failed.
like vietnam the americans tried to be "the world´s police" and in the end only the wrong people suffered.
you killed major terrorists...what did it do...more bombings and brutality on your people and the europeans that participate in the NATO( austria is neutral since WW2).

in austria there are around 5 different politcal parties,right wing,left wing,greens,communists (the smallest party)....
in the stats there are 2 major parties....which are pretty much alike for the most part.

change your priorities to YOUR better, skip the wars and invest in your health system.

RELIGION!!

austria is catholic....we are ALLLLL going to hell!
 
AlphaDogChoppers said:
There is a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration from people who don't have any actual facts. Canada's health care system works very well the vast majority of the time. As with any system, problems and abuses exist, and adjustments/improvements are always being instituted.

Even with all the money that I pay, I still have to wait weeks or months to see some of my specialists. Even my general practitioner, I usually have to make an appointment for a routine health exam 2 months in advance. He closed his practice several years ago, because he can't handle any more patients. Any of my doctors will "work me in" same day if I have an urgent need to see them.

If we had universal health car in the US, would it lead to longer wait times for non-urgent care? Probably, because we would be adding 40 million people to the system. Duh!

The system that we have here now, is the most expensive in the World, yet anyway that you can quantify results, the US ranks about 39th in the quality of health of its population. Many third World countries do better.

For-profit health care is just plain wrong. EVERY other industrialized nation in the World has universal health care EVERY ONE! We are a wealthy nation. We can do better than this.
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It's rare I agree with ADC 100% but this time I do, 100%
 
We have the highest cost per capita for healthcare here in USA at over $8,200. That's per capita, not just the costs for those actually insured. The US capitalistic healthcare system revolves around the payee ( for profit insurance companies ) , not the patients or their doctors. Plus our ridiculous rx costs here.

Canada's cost per capita is only $4,443, Austria is $4,398. Australia $3,685 , the UK $3,433, Germany $4,342... as some examples where healthcare is universal and more healthcare $$ actually go to patient care .
So we, as a country, pay roughly twice as much as other industrialized nations to care for our people.



Gasoline... It is not cheaper here in the USA , that is only perception at the pump. The oil companies have the most generous federal subsidies and tax codes of any major industry. The real cost of a gallon of gas at the pump is estimated anywhere between $6-$7/gal . You have to roll in the federal subsidies, tax breaks and the vast military costs to protect world wide access to oil producers, shipping lanes etc. All funded by your US tax dollars. STUPID?
 
DeanJ said:
So we, as a country, pay roughly twice as much as other industrialized nations to care for our people.
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And we don't even cover all of them.

Prescription costs are out of control. I take a medication every 10 days that costs $1,250 PER DOSE!
 
Pharmaceutical companies are a business, responsible to their shareholders. They are in the game to profit, so U.S. prescription users are funding the Rx R&D for the rest of the world. Direct to consumer marketing and TV ads in the U.S. are stupid... and drive up costs. The distribution of pharmaceuticals is a ridiculous model. With over 90 % of the script volumes being ongoing maintenance medications, the meds should be directly mailed to the patient from the manufacturer. But the distributers and the corner pharmacies add another 40% to what we have to pay. Stupid. Sure, we do need convenient access to prescription analgesics, antibiotics , etc. if something happens .. and we do need the with emergency refills of maintenance meds. But why the heck do we have a vast majority of prescriptions ultimately going through a retail store?
 
Everyone wants their slice of the pie and those with the bigger slices usually get the say in who's getting seconds.
 
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