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Offline SONIC.

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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2017, 17:04:01 »
That's what I figured.
I'm excited to see how it goes.

You might go in with some sandpaper and smooth out the corners a bit so that when it touches it doesn't gouge up the rotor?

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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2017, 17:09:18 »
You might go in with some sandpaper and smooth out the corners a bit so that when it touches it doesn't gouge up the rotor?

I was wondering if that might be a good idea or not. Thanks. I'll probably buzz it with the Dremel a little.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2017, 17:19:54 »
In the future you could alter the file a bit to radius those outside corners and save the hand work if it works out.

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Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2017, 07:08:28 »
Not sure if you mentioned what it was made of, i know making the whole thing out of iron would be way heavy, but if you could make the cores of your windings out of iron or steel, it would increase the field through your coils. I'm sure you know this already though. What is the weight of one of these?
Looks like a factory fit in there, nice.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2017, 13:53:27 »
This version is 21.9 oz (621g) without the copper on there. The production version will be made from laminated sheets of high nickel steel, which should drop the weight a little.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #15 on: Jun 19, 2017, 13:39:27 »
Matt what is the anticipated ac voltage at idle?
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #16 on: Jun 19, 2017, 13:45:10 »
We're aiming for about 60W at idle. There are a few variables we can play with during the manufacturing process, and if the first couple of attempts aren't checking the boxes, we have other options we can try.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #17 on: Jun 19, 2017, 13:54:05 »
We're aiming for about 60W at idle. There are a few variables we can play with during the manufacturing process, and if the first couple of attempts aren't checking the boxes, we have other options we can try.
We checked our cl200 and we are getting 15v on the pink, 9v yellow, and 5v white at idle. Pathetic. What does the 360 stator put out?


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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #18 on: Jun 19, 2017, 14:01:37 »
The 360 stator is about 15% better output than the 200. We're aiming for another 40% over that.

It's all very rough numbers, though, because there are so many variables in place. We're also making the move to three phase instead of single phase, so that will probably have a significant effect as well.

When it comes to the windings, we have the option of winding in delta configuration or start (we're starting with star). Then we can go with more windings of a higher gauge (increased voltage output), or fewer windings of a higher gauge (better current, but lower voltage).

Lots of things to tinker with.
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Re: Honda Twins - Three Phase Alternator Project
« Reply #19 on: Jun 19, 2017, 14:03:30 »
The 360 stator is about 15% better output than the 200. We're aiming for another 40% over that.

It's all very rough numbers, though, because there are so many variables in place. We're also making the move to three phase instead of single phase, so that will probably have a significant effect as well.

When it comes to the windings, we have the option of winding in delta configuration or start (we're starting with star). Then we can go with more windings of a higher gauge (increased voltage output), or fewer windings of a higher gauge (better current, but lower voltage).

Lots of things to tinker with.
So needed!


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