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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2012, 03:33:18
(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfs0BlqmxyyGk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

New bars - further forward and lower.  Renthal sportbike bars upside down and an inch shorter each end plus bar-end mirrors:

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfNP1aTbNt5Qk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Tarozzi pegs - just because:

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd_sdicDKL6B0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Early 70s replica TA125 fairing ordered, hopefully only about a week away!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: bradj on Nov 06, 2012, 17:18:30
You got some kool stuff my man
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 07, 2012, 03:01:02
Thanks Brad - I only hope cool stuff doesn't turn me into a hipster!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: Maritime on Nov 08, 2012, 09:13:47
Thanks Brad - I only hope cool stuff doesn't turn me into a hipster!

Crazy

Naaa, you have put more miles on this little guy since you got it than a hipster would in their whole life.  Too bad these are not available in Canuckistan as I think it would be the perfect back road commuter. I could haul ass at WOT and barely brake the speed limit with a big shit eating grin the whole time.

Cheers and can't wait to see it with the fairing on it.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 08, 2012, 16:26:28
Maritime - I try to do a run weekly to the closest piece of winding road.  Check out Google maps 'Royal National Park, New South Wales'.
Lots of corners and (mostly) a fairly good road surface, but narrow.  In windy weather you need to watch out for tree branches on the road, and after rain there can be water flowing across the road.  Weekends the road has too many slow tin-tops and too much police radar, but early morning on weekdays can be perfect.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: cobraace2 on Nov 18, 2012, 10:45:08
Hey Stroker what did you pay for that bike
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 18, 2012, 16:13:51
In Oz they cost a little less than $3000 on the road.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: cobraace2 on Nov 19, 2012, 10:08:43
Thank you Stroker I got a quote of 1700 without engine as they are not epa legal :P
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 19, 2012, 15:51:49
Apparently they are "50 State DOT street legal", but it seems not in California.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 20, 2012, 06:55:54
Update - the source of that quote:

http://moto-scoot.net/skyteam_ace.php (http://moto-scoot.net/skyteam_ace.php)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 29, 2012, 04:30:39
Picking up TA125 fairing on Saturday!

It will probably need modification to fit the "Ace" and bracketry will probably be tricky, but should look good when finished.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 02, 2012, 22:47:30
A short drive and now I have this:

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdtntWn24Im_E-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG)

As it is for a Yamaha TA125 two-stroke twin some modifications will be necessary, mainly at the bottom.  Fitting a headlight is fairly straightforward but time consuming.

Will post progress.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: reds on Dec 02, 2012, 23:55:18
Thats a nice fairing
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: Shred_McGnar on Dec 03, 2012, 01:33:25
Looks pretty nice! Can't wait to see it mounted..
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 14, 2012, 03:33:50
Fairing positioned roughly.
Some things good, some things bad.
Good things are that the current handlebars etc. fit perfectly and nothing hits lock-to-lock.  Screen allows me to tuck right down to try and pick up a little more speed.
Really the only bad thing is I will have to replace everything adjacent to the crankcase and exhaust pipe, but I expected that.

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdyG7LWfhWahk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: Kanticoy on Dec 14, 2012, 05:25:50
That's pretty freakin sweet man!

Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: CrescentSon on Dec 14, 2012, 05:39:31
Pure ass kickery.
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: Kanticoy on Dec 14, 2012, 05:43:19
Pure ass kickery.

Way off topic, but Daniel, you must be working the graveyard too!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: CrescentSon on Dec 14, 2012, 06:39:13
Yup.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: teddpage on Dec 14, 2012, 08:35:02
Damn!  That fairing looks killer on there!  It'll sure be worth the effort once your done.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: teazer on Dec 27, 2012, 12:48:17
Looking good my man.  Try the faring say 50mm or even 75mm lower and see how it looks at the front and around the motor.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: Drewski on Dec 27, 2012, 14:36:36
Looking good my man.  Try the faring say 50mm or even 75mm lower and see how it looks at the front and around the motor.

Lowering it might hurt the lock-to-lock, but I agree, it would look killer kool!!  8)

In any case, that fairing looks great!  :D
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 27, 2012, 19:09:37
teazer, Drewski - it will definitely be going lower!  There won't be any steering issues; it's sitting high in the photo because part of the lower fairing was hung up by the crankcase.

There has been a change of plan though.  What is currently a one piece unit with an under-sump panel is going to become three pieces.

One piece will contain the headlight and flashers and cover the instrument/handlebar area.  Each side of the motor will have a separate panel.  This is so I don't have to hassle with the electrics etc., just to get access to the motor, and it will make any maintenance simpler.

The current fairing will end up being the foundation for the plugs for the 3-piece molds.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - fairing changes!
Post by: Drewski on Dec 27, 2012, 19:18:02
Wow! Sounds very cool!!  8)

You've got some work ahead of you!!  :D
Title: Re: the "Ace" - fairing changes!
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 27, 2012, 19:28:29
When did we let the fact that a job takes more time than it's worth stop us going ahead?

Also, I already have a customer for one top-section-only fairing.  You only have to do two pulls from a female mold to make it (almost) worth while.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - fairing changes!
Post by: bradj on Dec 28, 2012, 17:01:04
Female mold gross
Title: Re: the "Ace" - fairing changes!
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 28, 2012, 20:02:25
Apologies brad - I must be more careful with my phrasing to avoid upsetting the more sensitive members of this forum!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 29, 2012, 20:31:09
Cut the top section of the fairing: easy

Checking symmetry: six hours of measuring, re-measuring, marking and cutting!

Now I have a good foundation:

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUezQGZ8y2xyFU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUc7rKD9ZLUZEk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUegy_R7icDfRU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Now to fit the headlight (should be simple?).

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: BigKev on Dec 29, 2012, 21:44:35
Pure ass kickery.

I agree sir. Keep it up
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: joeyputt on Jan 01, 2013, 02:10:42
Brother that fairing looks awesome and just adds to the look of your already beautiful bike, I can not wait to see it once you have it all fitted the way you want it!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: reds on Jan 01, 2013, 02:36:00


(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdyG7LWfhWahk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy

Didn't Prince drive that bike in Purple Rain?!! HA! just kidding. Gonna look killer, but def needs to go a bit lower
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 01, 2013, 03:06:28
Thanks Joe.

Two delays have arisen since my last post.  The Dremel died on New Years eve so cutting the headlight aperture is on hold until I can get a replacement.  Trial fitting #2 exposed the fact that the current handlebars won't fit; Tarozzi clip-ons ordered but will take about a month to arrive from Italy, the local agent has never been asked for clip-ons for 27mm(!) forks before.

reds - I know nothing of Prince and Purple Rain so I will have to bow to your expertise on this subject!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: makotosun on Jan 01, 2013, 14:58:00
Really a neat project.

How is the build quality on the Ace?  I have been interested in those since I first saw them.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 01, 2013, 17:33:00
makotosun, the build quality is better than I expected on such a cheap motorcycle.  Some of the welds are a little untidy and some of the plating on fittings will probably have to be re-done eventually, but nothing to really complain about.  The Chinese tyres, with their old-fashioned tread pattern, have been fine in the dry.

The big surprise has been how good the handling is.  While obviously it is not up to modern sportbike standard, it is a real pleasure to push as hard through the twisties as the power will allow.  The motor is quite willing to rev out and now that it has a bit over 1000k on the clock it has freed up some.

For anyone without unrealistic expectations this is a real fun bike to ride with urban speed limits in mind!

Crazy

Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: makotosun on Jan 01, 2013, 18:34:20
Thanks! It is nice to see some bikes coming to market that are in this class that one wouldn't be ashamed to be seen on!

I really like the look and have had some decent results from Chinese clone motors.

It may have to become one of the "on the list to get" toys this year!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 01, 2013, 19:45:46
I doubt that you would regret the purchase!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: boingk on Jan 02, 2013, 10:26:32
Looks like a real hoot mate, would love to ride one in 'anger'!

I've got a CBR125R and am about to begin modifying it to look a bit less plasticky... not going to end up looking like a works racer but its definitely a hoot to ride around.

Cheers - boingk

EDIT: If you were riding around Newcastle near Kotara a few weeks ago... I think I might have seen you. Don't reckon there would be many Aces getting around, anyway!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 06, 2013, 22:39:24
cool, just thought i would post here so i can keep an eye on your bike as well :)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 07, 2013, 00:40:14
Welcome, sprocket2cog!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - new bits!
Post by: RustyStuff on Feb 07, 2013, 04:26:02
Fairing positioned roughly.
Some things good, some things bad.
Good things are that the current handlebars etc. fit perfectly and nothing hits lock-to-lock.  Screen allows me to tuck right down to try and pick up a little more speed.
Really the only bad thing is I will have to replace everything adjacent to the crankcase and exhaust pipe, but I expected that.

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdyG7LWfhWahk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy

Ohhhh man does that look cool.

How fast does that lil' bike go anyway?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: jd400 on Feb 07, 2013, 04:46:46
I saw one of these parked up at work, I did a bit of a double take as I'd never seen one before.
A nice little bike that's for sure
Title: Re: the "Ace" - it's not yours until you cut it!
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 07, 2013, 06:29:18
jd1000 - they're even more fun than they look!

I'll be posting some more minor stuff about the 'Ace' over the next couple of days - watch this space!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - small steps!
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 10, 2013, 21:22:43
Plug made for fairing headlight shroud (2° - 3° taper):

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfT7ZMveJQsBk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - small steps!
Post by: bradj on Feb 11, 2013, 21:43:27
You got alot of nice stuff man
Title: Re: the "Ace" - small steps!
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 12, 2013, 02:42:54
Thanks Brad!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - minor matters!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 03, 2013, 04:00:56
I'm not fond of chrome as a decorative finish, and even less so on plastic components.
This being the case I decided to paint the instrument pods the same colour intended for the fairing interior.

Chrome:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdE2r5CfZoPSE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Stripped:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdifRETjevPo0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Painted (before buffing):

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdA9NjaYITgb0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Since painting I've decided to go with different instruments - news soon!

Crazy

Title: Re: the "Ace" - minor matters!
Post by: cobraace2 on Mar 03, 2013, 11:49:30
Hey stroker how did you strip that.
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - minor matters!
Post by: VonYinzer on Mar 03, 2013, 15:34:30
Fuckin neato man. Been watfhin since day one and loving every second.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - minor matters!
Post by: jsharpphoto on Mar 03, 2013, 15:51:51
Hey stroker how did you strip that.

inquiring minds want to know
Title: Re: the "Ace" - minor matters!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 03, 2013, 18:51:08
For the inquiring minds - the chrome was stripped with hydrochloric (muriatic) acid.  Th chrome vanished quickly, the underlying copper plating took somewhat longer.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - Gas!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 03, 2013, 23:09:14
Thomaselli side-pull, quick action.  Desirable for a bike that spends so much time full throttle!

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcc_U1vjsaa70-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Will be mated with the Tarozzi clip-ons when they arrive.  A touch of Italia!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - the perils of the web!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 04, 2013, 02:31:59
Plans are being laid for a new exhaust and some intake mods, so it was decided replacement jets were to be ordered.
The interweb was put to use and suitable jets found:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfgUQGYzVPwGE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Idly perusing the rest of the site resulted in the fortuitous discovery of a very neat Koso 50mm (2 inch) tacho, which was duly ordered:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUe9lXuUBJrm10-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Realising that the tacho would look odd sitting next the standard speedo forced the purchase of an electronic unit to match:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeEnnsyfd2OkU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Sometimes I suspect that my enthusiasm is getting out of control!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - the perils of the web!
Post by: bradj on Mar 04, 2013, 02:33:58
you gotta a lot of nice stuff crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - the perils of the web!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 04, 2013, 02:35:35
I just need to get focused enough to put it together!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - the perils of the web!
Post by: bradj on Mar 04, 2013, 02:55:41
or you could finish that wild cat yamaha
Title: Re: the "Ace" - the perils of the web!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 04, 2013, 03:01:57
The 'wild cat' is still waiting for pipes.  I spoke to the fabricator today and he advised me of another delay.  I'm learning a lot about patience, but I would rather have the pipes!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - the perils of the web!
Post by: bradj on Mar 04, 2013, 03:06:05
put a suzuki motor in it
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 09, 2013, 22:54:48
Tarrozzi clip-ons arrived Friday:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeHO0dSmqcsU0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfgM0keDCUr20-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Tarozzi and Thomaselli - mmmmm.....

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfI8-QEj0235E-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Most of the switchgear will be removed from the bars, and placed elsewhere with suitable minimal units.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 09, 2013, 23:13:25
The bars look great Stroker!
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: VonYinzer on Mar 09, 2013, 23:23:11
Well ooo la la Mr. Fancy McPants. ;)

Great stuff man. Can't wait to see it all together.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: Timmy on Mar 13, 2013, 07:25:29
Hello! totally new here, so this is my first post.
Been stalking this site for a while though!

Must say that this bike is so good looking, and a bargain. So cheap for a new bike!

Getting this bike as well, but I need to get my license first. Currently studying on that now. Hopefully I will be done before the summer is over :D
Gonna do some changes to it though. Getting rid of the rear fender, clubmans/clip-ons, some tuning with exhaust, carbs. Also new suspensions and tires.


So this thread is a big inspiration. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 13, 2013, 09:07:53
Glad you like the 'Ace'.  It's a fun bike to ride.

I should have  the Tarozzi clip-ons installed shortly and slow progress is being made on the fairing and instruments.
On the performance side, probably the most important change to make is the exhaust.  The air filter set up is not too bad but the pipe is extremely restricted.  As I make changes I will post my experiences here on DTT, perhaps you may find them helpful.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: juan@crqcycles on Mar 13, 2013, 15:02:00

"The air filter set up is not too bad but the pipe is extremely restricted.  As I make changes I will post my experiences here on DTT, perhaps you may find them helpful."

Crazy

Hey Stroker Crazy! I've been reading this thread and I might be a little bit excited. I'll tell you why...correct me if I am wrong but I think the engine your bike has is a reproduction of a 125 OHV Honda engine. If that is the case, then your bike and mine (Honda CGL 125) have very similar mechanical and "performance" characteristics.
So...What are your plans for performance modifications on your bike?
I saw you purchased new jets, whats their size and whats the original jet's size? Mi bike comes with a #102 main jet and a #38 pilot jet.
Last but not least...Whats the top speed of your bike right from the factory?

Sorry for all the questions, but not a lot of people messes with these little bikes so theres not a lot of info about them.
BTW, That fairing you are planning to run looks BEAUTIFUL. As simple as that.

Cheers from Mexico,

Juan Fco. Castillo
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 15, 2013, 01:16:27
The motor for the 'Ace' is copied from the CG125.  I don't know if any parts are interchangeable but it would be very useful if that was the case.
The jets were recommended to me by a person who has had some experience with modifications to these bikes.
The main is a 95 and pilot is a 45.  I have not dismantled the carby yet so I don't know what size the originals are.  When I have the new exhaust system to fit I will be attempting the re-jet, and will be able to say more then.
After 1500 k riding the motor is running much better than it was, but establishing a top speed is difficult.  A slight uphill or a headwind cause notable slowing, and a downhill helps to pick up revs.  So far I haven't seen a great deal over 90-95kph.  When I install the tacho I will know a bit more about how hard the bike is working!
Other than a new exhaust and a freer intake I won't be doing much in the way of engine changes.  A 125 pushrod motor doesn't have too much to gain without compromising reliability.  It makes more sense to spend development money on a somewhat larger capacity OHV motor.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: Timmy on Mar 16, 2013, 07:02:14
Why not use an OHC enginge? Is there any advantages with an OHV?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - getting a grip!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 16, 2013, 07:52:45
OHV was a typo - I meant OHC!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - bars up!
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 29, 2013, 23:58:09
Tarozzi bars fitted:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfWV7-7IEwHt0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and a side view:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcunSD4qI7GGE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Much more comfortable, owing to the adjustability.

New throttle and switch blocks will be the next change, followed by the Koso instruments.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - bars up!
Post by: Timmy on Apr 13, 2013, 11:49:52
Looking good!

What are your plans for tuning? If you have any.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - bars up!
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 13, 2013, 19:18:30
Timmy - on page 6 I mentioned that I was planning to make some tuning modifications.  The most important first change will be to replace the very restricted exhaust set-up.  This will be followed by filter-box alterations, upgrading the CDI, and re-jetting.
As these changes are completed they will be posted here.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 25, 2013, 22:05:34
Removed EGR:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUflJnxcwLwpygmtoKug6n4_vWgJX930eKw/item.JPG?)

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfub4uJme14NU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 25, 2013, 22:09:52
Cut off brackets:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdIT6wDnGjEhE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeYXxAgao3hxE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

junk:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcu0PYitdjbQ0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 25, 2013, 22:11:58
Painted:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd39mBAhKd52k-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Some more bits on the way!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: BrooksNick on Apr 26, 2013, 09:17:51
Hey Stroker Crazy, love to see the changes you're doing to this bike! Mine's about to arrive next week!
Just wondering: How many kms/miles have you done on it, and did you have any real issues so far?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 26, 2013, 19:58:56
Done just on 2000k - no problems, keeps getting better as the motor gets run-in.  Checked tappets again the other day, still no sign of wear.

Let me know how you go with yours.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: Green199 on Apr 27, 2013, 05:53:37
Keep it up stroker! A proper example of how a small bike should be!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 27, 2013, 06:53:49
Thanks Green199; trying to keep it simple and fun to ride!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: sprocket2cog on May 10, 2013, 04:50:44
Hi Crazy, what size are the clip on handle bars ?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 10, 2013, 06:26:01
27mm - but they needed a bit of finessing!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: sprocket2cog on May 10, 2013, 18:39:47
Thanks !
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: Rich Ard on May 11, 2013, 00:05:25
Really coming along nicely,  crazy.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 11, 2013, 20:49:02
Thanks Rich Ard - important changes to be posted  soon!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 19, 2013, 23:43:11
New pipe designed using Sonreir's maths (thanks Sonreir!)

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeFHhBrox8nDE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Added benefit of new header was the elimination of this:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUc46YRpOA2MDk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

This blockage is nearly 10cm (4 inches) long!  The motor was working hard just to get gas past it.

Waiting now for an opportunity to do the paint.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: sprocket2cog on May 19, 2013, 23:50:05
That CAT in the header is nuts, i didnt realise it was so restrictive !
Ive got my new exhaust coming this week  for my ACE. looks like it was a good idea to do the pipe first :)
this is the pipe im sticking on mine Crazy, but i managed to get it while he had a sale on .
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Skyteam-ACE-125cc-Performance-Sports-Exhaust-Muffler-/271149816626?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f21c9db32&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Skyteam-ACE-125cc-Performance-Sports-Exhaust-Muffler-/271149816626?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f21c9db32&_uhb=1)

your bikes looking good :)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 20, 2013, 02:07:53
Thank you for the update!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 20, 2013, 02:29:25
sprocket2cog - Your new pipe looks good and has to be much less restrictive than the original.
I went the direction I did to increase mid-range torque and to retain the '60s look.

ChrisBNE - More news soon!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 20, 2013, 02:32:21
Speaking of paint, I received this from Ikonik in perth today, the Ace is also available in a black frame too.   This obviously is the 50cc, but also available for the 125.

Descions descions! Would look great with the silver repainted matt black.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 20, 2013, 04:29:50
The black is definitely a different look, but I prefer the red.
I'm a traditionalist I guess!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: HerbertD on May 20, 2013, 08:24:27
Hi Guy's

Been reading this thread with alot of interest. I'm based in the UK and had my ACE since December 2012, and really pleased with it!  Have done over 800Km's now and engine freeing up nicely. I've had it re-jetted and put the Chrome sports exhaust on it (I have some good photo's of it but struggling to upload on this forum?! The UK importer sells the Chrome (Derestricted) sports exhaust @ £160.00 GBP and it looks better and makes a far better noise that befits the looks!  Have also fitted the uprated (Skyteam) Rear shocks @ £60.00 GBP.  Have ordered some clip-ons and would really like to install a full fairing like you, but it seems nobody makes a dedicated one that fits exactly (Yet!) 

Have had many litre superbikes, and I can honesty say that I've never had a bike that promotes so much interest!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 20, 2013, 08:59:00
HerbertD - I'm up to 2500k and it's still getting better!

Could you post links to your suppliers?  I'm interested in new shocks, and I am sure there are other owners (and potential owners) who are on the lookout to upgrade various components.

Like yourself, I have had an amazing amount of interest in the bike, both from other riders and from the non-riding public!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: sprocket2cog on May 20, 2013, 09:26:46
Just thought i would stick this up , i used 2 inch wide seat belt webbing to make a new tank strap for the ace. instant racing stripe :lol
also i meausered the rear shocks and they are 330mm eye to eye, so i think most of the aftermarket twin shocks will fit.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: HerbertD on May 20, 2013, 09:51:00
Trying to load some photo's, but still failing - Can somebody advise the best method - I keep trying to add the JPG image onto the attachments, but it does not come up in the preview!?

The UK importer has their own facebook page - www.facebook.com/SkyteamMotorcycles or contact them at
http://www.skyteammotorcycles.com/contact/ 
Their postal address is :

SkyTeam Motorcycles
Unit 1 Yeobridge Business Park
217 Sherbourne Road
Yeovil
Somerset
BA21 5DL

With the rear shocks, as you mention they are a fairly standard size, but it's worth doing as the OE shocks are rubbish!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - cleaner breathing!
Post by: juan@crqcycles on May 20, 2013, 17:20:51
New pipe designed using Sonreir's maths (thanks Sonreir!)


(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUc46YRpOA2MDk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

This blockage is nearly 10cm (4 inches) long!  The motor was working hard just to get gas past it.

Waiting now for an opportunity to do the paint.

Crazy

Hey crazy! Where exactly is that blockage located?  Is it some sort of catalytic converter?
By the way......Do you think you could share with me Sonreir's exhaust maths?
Your bike is looking sweet man!

Cheers
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 20, 2013, 19:28:41
The black is definitely a different look, but I prefer the red.
I'm a traditionalist I guess!

Crazy

Yes when I slept on it last night I realised part of the attraction to this bike is the red frame and how it stands out.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 20, 2013, 19:29:55
Could you post links to your suppliers?  I'm interested in new shocks, and I am sure there are other owners (and potential owners) who are on the lookout to upgrade various components.


It think this is it

http://www.skyteammotorcycles.com/accessories/
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 21, 2013, 05:22:27
juan@crqcycles - the exhaust calculations are at http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=39814.60 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=39814.60)
A heap of other valuable stuff as well!

HerbertD & ChrisBNE - thanks for the links. Chris, most of those parts on that link are for monkey bikes and other Skyteam bikes so you will need to check before purchasing!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 21, 2013, 05:54:03
juan@crqcycles - forgot earlier: the blockage is supposed to be a CAT converter and is positioned in the header just before it joins the muffler.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: juan@crqcycles on May 21, 2013, 16:08:35
THANKS CRAZY! :)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: HerbertD on May 21, 2013, 18:36:41
The Clip on bars arrived today!!
Really pleased with the result - Far better riding position and looks great as well!
One of my better e-bay buys for a change.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 21, 2013, 19:13:41
juan@crqcycles - forgot earlier: the blockage is supposed to be a CAT converter and is positioned in the header just before it joins the muffler.

Crazy

And I trust you have to cut the muffler off where the join is to remove the CAT? Is it easy to remove and then reweld?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 21, 2013, 19:15:20
The Clip on bars arrived today!!
Really pleased with the result - Far better riding position and looks great as well!
One of my better e-bay buys for a change.

Looks fantastic. Can you link to the ebay item?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: HerbertD on May 21, 2013, 19:24:23
27mm Clip on bars from this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261210104199&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:GB:1123

Paid £32.00 carriage free and took 6 days from Hong Kong - Fair service I reckon
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 21, 2013, 19:43:52
27mm Clip on bars from this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261210104199&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:GB:1123

Paid £32.00 carriage free and took 6 days from Hong Kong - Fair service I reckon

Brilliant - thank you so much. 
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 22, 2013, 08:36:10
And I trust you have to cut the muffler off where the join is to remove the CAT? Is it easy to remove and then reweld?

The CAT can't be removed without cutting the section out of the pipe.  It would be difficult to weld in a section to replace it as the pipe is double walled.

Calculations showed that to improve mid-range torque and horsepower I would need a pipe with a different diameter and an increase in the length.  If you examine the photo on the previous page you will see that the original muffler mounting bracket has been moved forward and a small piece of pipe added.  This small piece provides a snug fit over the new, longer header.  The new header has been shaped to give some clearance to the frame down tube, as this was non-existent with the original.  A bracket has been added to the rear of the muffler for a backstay, the other end of which connects to the seat mounting bolt.  The muffler internals have had a small modification which , hopefully, will provide more power without too much increase in noise.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - ready for paint!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 22, 2013, 19:10:20
The CAT can't be removed without cutting the section out of the pipe.  It would be difficult to weld in a section to replace it as the pipe is double walled.

Calculations showed that to improve mid-range torque and horsepower I would need a pipe with a different diameter and an increase in the length.  If you examine the photo on the previous page you will see that the original muffler mounting bracket has been moved forward and a small piece of pipe added.  This small piece provides a snug fit over the new, longer header.  The new header has been shaped to give some clearance to the frame down tube, as this was non-existent with the original.  A bracket has been added to the rear of the muffler for a backstay, the other end of which connects to the seat mounting bolt.  The muffler internals have had a small internal modification which , hopefully, will provide more power without too much increase in noise.

Crazy

Thank you - I think I might just purchase an after market unit :)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - breathe out, breathe in!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 22, 2013, 22:23:03
Now that the exhaust improvements are nearing completion it is time to consider the intake.

To start I bought this:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeThigpmrD7SQmtoKug6n4_vWgJX930eKw/item.JPG?)

I have modifications planned for the filter itself but first I will have to reposition the carbie in order to fit the filter.  This necessitates the removal of the existing airbox/battery housing an repositioning the battery elsewhere.

While the carbie was off and I was considering the possibilities I become offended by the unsightly excrescence in the carbie mouth:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfIppCAph6roE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

So:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdEFGR_SAFOIE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

That should free up some airflow!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - breathe out, breathe in!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 23, 2013, 00:50:21
Love the filter - looks awesome. 

Is that part you removed not the choke (which I assume it is if its connected to the level on the left hand side of the carby)?  Pardon my ignorance if its not...
Title: Re: the "Ace" - breathe out, breathe in!
Post by: stroker crazy on May 23, 2013, 01:41:19
It certainly is the choke butterfly, a minor convenience for starting on a cold day but a major disruption to air flow! 
A little bit of technique makes up for its absence.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - breathe out, breathe in!
Post by: ChrisBNE on May 23, 2013, 02:12:17
haha love your work :) - I've done the same an old hedge trimmer years ago and completely forgot that it still starts up fine.
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - breathe out, breathe in!
Post by: ronnie on May 23, 2013, 18:12:12
Checking in late. Saving this when I get to port with a faster connection..
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jun 01, 2013, 23:23:42
Waiting for the weather and spare time to coincide in order to paint the exhaust.

Black and satin clear:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcBZLWxD1CF7U-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Yesterday I re-jetted the carbie and drilled an 18mm hole in the rear baffle of the standard muffler.

A huge increase (comparatively) in power was the result.  Now I'm even more impatient to fit the new exhaust and the air filter improvements!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: MickyC on Jun 02, 2013, 00:38:23
i have heard nothing but good things so far about these little guys ill have to check it out at the next scr ride if i have my girl up and running properly.

I used that on paint my engine but the next one up as in semi gloss. there was one issue I had when the engine was hot a few drops of fuel hit the cases and took the paint right off. I would probably use either a gloss next time, but unsure if the same thing would happen with the gloss.   
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jun 02, 2013, 01:16:02
Hope you can make it to the next ride!

I've heard both good and bad things about VHT.  I decided the only way to find out was to use it myself.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: juan@crqcycles on Jun 02, 2013, 02:22:06

Yesterday I re-jetted the carbie and drilled an 18mm hole in the rear baffle of the standard muffler.

A huge increase (comparatively) in power was the result.  Now I'm even more impatient to fit the new exhaust and the air filter improvements!

Crazy

What jets (size) are you now using?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jun 02, 2013, 02:45:18
Juan, the new jets are 95 and 45.  I haven't been able to give the bike a proper test run yet as it has been raining heavily.  I hope to test it out tomorrow.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: juan@crqcycles on Jun 02, 2013, 15:24:27
Juan, the new jets are 95 and 45.  I haven't been able to give the bike a proper test run yet as it has been raining heavily.  I hope to test it out tomorrow.

Crazy

Thats weird man! My Honda 125 has the same carb and has a 38 and 102 right from the dealer.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jun 02, 2013, 19:27:23
Your carbie may look the same, but the unit on the 'Ace' is Chinese made:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcSD1x7Qakpwk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

The 'Ace' was probably set up to run lean from the manufacturer to help pass pollution tests.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jun 02, 2013, 19:38:42
Waiting for the weather and spare time to coincide in order to paint the exhaust.

Black and satin clear:

A huge increase (comparatively) in power was the result.  Now I'm even more impatient to fit the new exhaust and the air filter improvements!

Crazy

Can't wait to hear about how it all goes and seeing some updated images!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 19, 2013, 05:35:35
Because of this tread. I also went out an bought a ACE 125 in box and built it up and is now on the road. The mods I have made to mine are. Replaced the Deni with a 26mm mikuni. Hack sawed the muffler and dug out the CAT and re welded two back together. Bought the 303 kit from OOracing and found the 34 tooth sprocket to tall in my hilly area.

May improve with more K's on the clock. Still trying to figure out what the new CDI does over the stock one. Really needs new rear shocks and brakes are just terrible. I have bled the front a little bit. But will really need to do a full bleed as the front brake lever almost goes back to the handlebars. Sanded the rear brake pads to remove the black crap of them that made the pads shiny.

Now just waiting for the sun to come out.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 19, 2013, 08:40:40
I don't think you'll be disappointed!  The bike improves much after a 1000k or more.
A big help for the front brake is a stainless steel braided hose. 

Big news coming up in a couple of days!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jul 19, 2013, 19:29:41
I don't think you'll be disappointed!  The bike improves much after a 1000k or more.
A big help for the front brake is a stainless steel braided hose. 

Big news coming up in a couple of days!

Crazy

The suspense is killing me!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 19, 2013, 20:42:19
I don't think you'll be disappointed!  The bike improves much after a 1000k or more.
A big help for the front brake is a stainless steel braided hose. 

Big news coming up in a couple of days!

Crazy

Any clues on where to buy a braided front brake hose?

Mine was delivered in a box.
(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-QnPv5PS/0/L/IMG_0954-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2628083536&k=QnPv5PS&lb=1&s=A)

Sharing the garage with the others :)
(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-G76tWwf/0/L/IMG_0961-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2628080933&k=G76tWwf&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 19, 2013, 21:29:51
ChrisBNE - patience will be rewarded in an hour or two.

JustDan - now the fun starts!  As for the brake line, mine was built to order by HEL; depends on where you are, but there is bound to be a supplier not too far away.  Just avoid anyone who uses aluminium fittings!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: Anthiron on Jul 19, 2013, 22:02:02
I used to have one of these.

I bought it when they first were available in Australia and paid around 3k including on roads. You can now get them in a crate for about $1800.

I replaced the carby with a 26mm Mikuni, Removed EGR, Freed up the exhaust and fitted a Chrome Megaphone, Wider drag bars, bar end mirrors, Smoked indicators, Air box delete, Anti gravity battery under the seat cowl, Billet Tail light, CDI upgrade, 1 tooth bigger front sprocket and fitted some better sintered brake pads.

I had a lot of fun with it and found the build quality to be quite decent.

Mine looked like this when I sold it.

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4527/imageguc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/imageguc.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Ill be keeping an eye on this thread!

Nicko
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 19, 2013, 22:18:35
Good to have you aboard Nicko!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - got the paint, need the weather!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 19, 2013, 22:23:08
As promised - first of some changes:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdspUe-bjRTC0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

62mm bore, takes it to 150cc. More in a couple of minutes.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 19, 2013, 22:37:20
Intake and exhaust valves each 1mm larger:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUf7En0mnVuf7E-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jul 20, 2013, 01:12:17
looks like  the parts are finished nicely , clean  and tidy. cant wait to see how it all comes together.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 20, 2013, 05:14:55
I won't be putting it on the bike straight away.

On Monday I will be taking it to get a new manifold made so the carbie sits on the frame centre line.  That way the Lynx filter will fit tidily under the seat.  This will necessitate the removal of the existing filter box and repositioning the battery under the seat hump.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 20, 2013, 07:54:31
Funny thing. I was just looking at the same kit. I need to keep it stock for a bit to get a feel how well it goes. After that , then you can judge if any mods made. Make the bike better or worse.

I do need better rear shocks, tires ? Front brakes.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 20, 2013, 08:49:31
Front brake can be improved with different pads and s/s braided hose, but the shocks definitely have to go!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: CaffEnthusiast on Jul 20, 2013, 10:11:42
Hey Crazy! First post, but checking in regularly as I also have an ace125 rejetted and stripped!

I'm hoping it's not the case for everyone, but I just had to get my crank case replaced due to the kickstart grinding a hole into it, and expelling a ton of oil!! Be real careful, the design is flawed!

Also, when I replaced the rear sprocket, the bushes under were starting to crack (I suspect a shortcut with materials).. Bike is at 1300k's, so wear and tear is a bit of a stretch.

Anyway, love the look of the clip-ons and the rest of the build too! Keep it up

-Tim

Edit: When I say kickstart, I mean the head of the bolt holding the kickstart lever together..
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 20, 2013, 19:35:52
I've got just on 3000k on mine so far, without any problems.

Sounds like you've been a bit unlucky!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: CaffEnthusiast on Jul 20, 2013, 23:31:29
Yeah, from what I can tell that's about the case.. Bugger!

Can I ask where you got that awesome triple tree from? cleans up that area beautifully!

Tim
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 20, 2013, 23:39:44
It's the original triple with the bar clamps cut off and generally cleaned up and given a satin finish.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: CaffEnthusiast on Jul 20, 2013, 23:42:08
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 21, 2013, 01:18:19
Finally a break crap winter weather yesterday and had a chance to see how the ACE goes with a whole 25 km on the clock.

Base line for me is. Standard gearing, Blanking plate on the engine, Posh CDI, 26 mm Mikuni, de catted exhaust.

Cruises on 80 kph easily and I would say the top speed would be around 95 kph. It is now slightly quicker than CT110.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 21, 2013, 01:29:01
You will find it goes much better after a thousand k or so - should have no trouble topping 100km/h (excepting uphill and headwinds!)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - big bore!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jul 21, 2013, 18:59:05
Looks great Crazy. 

Is it worth taking out the electric stater for extra weight savings?

Is 100kmh the new ton??

PS, I found this french forum where they are all talking about their ACE 125s, its of course all in french but I used google translate and you can work it out: http://goo.gl/DdWLu
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 21, 2013, 20:11:14
Thanks Chris.

Been thinking about removing the starter, as I kickstart it anyway.  It doesn't look easy to do tidily so I've put in on the back burner until I get all the current changes finished.

I do have one weight saving underway:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd_3y9pF4xv0U-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Seeing that I'm moving the battery to underneath the seat hump, I went for something smaller and lighter!

Don't know about 100k being the new ton, but it's good to have a goal to aim for (and surpass).

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Anthiron on Jul 21, 2013, 20:30:33
Crazy

100Kms should be a pretty easy target.

Mine did 110kms/hr with a few mods. the only significant difference between ours was the Mikuni which can be had for little money and a fair bit of weight saving.

I got the most oomph out of the exhaust and carby change. The CDI did almost nothing if anything but remove the rev limiter.

with the 150cc cabacity increase and your fairing I would suspect speeds around 120 + are realistic.

The 4 cell Anti Gravity Lithium battery I ran fit very well on top of the fear fender mount which placed it nicely under the seat cowl.

Reading this is kinda making me wish I still had it.

Nicko
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 21, 2013, 21:30:38
You could always get another one Nicko!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Anthiron on Jul 21, 2013, 22:31:01
Thats Crazy Talk (Heh Heh)

Ill never finish my Volkswagen if I keep buying Motorcycles!

Nicko
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: tom050162 on Jul 22, 2013, 12:24:05
Are you planning on fabricating some kind of tray or strap for it to sit to stop it bouncing around inside it?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 22, 2013, 17:44:59
I will be making a carbon fibre battery tray and clamp.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 23, 2013, 19:26:07
The original shocks on the 'Ace' are not very good so it's time for replacement.
Their isn't much available for such a light bike so I had some built to suit the combined weight of the bike and rider.

Ikon shocks - adjustable pre-load, adjustable damping, rebuildable:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfas9r-_X9yyU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Very happy!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jul 23, 2013, 23:13:13
How much of this bike will be original by the time you are done haha

I saw my first ACE in the flesh yesterday, just rushed past and didnt get a good look... but I liked what I saw!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 24, 2013, 22:31:55
A beautiful winter's morning in SinCity!  Clear as crystal and a sunny 12oC.

A good excuse to go for a ride and try out the new shocks - looks good, feels way better!

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcdDHV_ZvJcpwmtoKug6n4_vWgJX930eKw/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: Rich Ard on Jul 25, 2013, 00:50:58
With each update I am a little grumpier that I cannot walk into a shop in the US and buy a crate full of Ace.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 25, 2013, 01:38:59
I help where I can Mr. Ard!

Moto-Scoot in Milwaukee are still saying "50 state DOT street legal".  They should do more than talk and show pretty pictures with fancy paintwork: http://moto-scoot.net/skyteam_ace.php (http://moto-scoot.net/skyteam_ace.php)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jul 25, 2013, 01:48:49
some of those photo shots at moto scoot are for the "swift 250", its the same as the ace in most respects except it has an ohc 250 single engine jammed in there, makes me worry that it has the same brakes as the ACE.
the swift is a USA only bike atm
http://avavelocityworks.com/models/swift-250-specs/
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: Rich Ard on Jul 25, 2013, 02:00:46
I help where I can Mr. Ard!

Moto-Scoot in Milwaukee are still saying "50 state DOT street legal".  They should do more than talk and show pretty pictures with fancy paintwork: http://moto-scoot.net/skyteam_ace.php (http://moto-scoot.net/skyteam_ace.php)

Crazy

I will continue to check that bookmark every so often to see if anything comes of it - and not hold my breath underwater!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 25, 2013, 03:43:26
It's already been there about a year to my knowledge - the only change has been the new photos.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 25, 2013, 08:03:58
A beautiful winter's morning in SinCity!  Clear as crystal and a sunny 12oC.

A good excuse to go for a ride and try out the new shocks - looks good, feels way better!

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcdDHV_ZvJcpwmtoKug6n4_vWgJX930eKw/item.JPG?)

Crazy

Looking good Crazy. My piggy back shocks should be here tomorrow. Also going for +1 on the front sprocket.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 25, 2013, 18:53:37
Thanks Dan.

I'm saving my sprocket changes until I finish the engine and exhaust modification, but it already feels like it could handle +1 on the front.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jul 25, 2013, 22:22:41
Is the fairing still to come too?

I noticed this fine example which could be similar once you finish painting.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EmeUpDWRGww/Ue48PdMvNGI/AAAAAAAAz9U/-cCA-LeIYl8/s1600/triton750a.jpg)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - shocking!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 25, 2013, 23:50:50
The fairing is still (distantly) on the way, after I get the engine and electrics sorted.

I think I will be able to recess a stock headlight into the fairing in a neater way than in the photo, although it will otherwise similar.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 26, 2013, 02:06:49
Arrived today: these in combination with the s/s braided line, should sharpen up the brakes!

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfGJ1YkpXPCaE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: HerbertD on Jul 26, 2013, 05:13:01
Hi Crazy,

Can you tell us the EBC part number as I would be very interested to purchase these as well, as the front brakes need all the improvements that I can give them!

Thanks - Keep up the good work - I will be very intrigued to see how the 150cc upgrade works out!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 26, 2013, 06:53:25
Hi Crazy,

Can you tell us the EBC part number as I would be very interested to purchase these as well, as the front brakes need all the improvements that I can give them!

Thanks - Keep up the good work - I will be very intrigued to see how the 150cc upgrade works out!

EBC FA165HH for the brake pads. I am also keen to see how it goes with the upgrade.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 26, 2013, 10:18:44
Dan's the Man!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 26, 2013, 23:57:17
I think Crazy and I must be on the same page. I spent Saturday morning fitting EBC pads, +1 front sprocket, piggy back shocks.

The two 10mm bolts that hold on the front sprocket where not much tighter, than finger tight. Some loctite 263 will fix that. :o Very happy with the Ace I have called "The Wasp" Due to sound it makes at high revs.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-VN9pVHn/0/L/IMG_0977-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2659219974&k=VN9pVHn&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 27, 2013, 00:21:27
Whereabouts are you Dan? - sounds like you must be in east coast Oz.

Your new shocks look to be a big improvement on the originals!

Have you made any changes to the exhaust?  I found that you get a throatier note with a 18mm hole drilled through the rear baffle plate.
It's still quite quiet and a bit more horsepower is made available.  It looks like you've dumped the EGR unit (and the kickstart).  Have you done any re-jetting yet?

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jul 27, 2013, 02:53:14
looking good mate.
Not as many mods as yours Crazy , stainless header with turbo muffler bar end mirrors, made a headlight "eye brow" shroud and painted some of the chrome bits satin black to combat the dreaded tin worm ,blanked off the EGR and replaced the tank strap with red 2 inch seat belt webbing,next step is to upgrade the front brakes and see if i can get race tech springs to fit the front forks as well as some michelin M45 tyres
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 27, 2013, 08:10:45
Whereabouts are you Dan? - sounds like you must be in east coast Oz.

 It looks like you've dumped the EGR unit (and the kickstart).  Have you done any re-jetting yet?

Crazy

I am as far south as you can go before freezing. Dumped the EGR, 26mm mikuni, kick start kept on hitting my inside of my leg. I did hit 100 kph on the speedo a couple of times today on the way back from a friends place.

A collective of ACE's is called.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-Krt8Q76/0/L/IMG_0544-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2659625466&k=Krt8Q76&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 27, 2013, 22:13:56
sprocket2cog - that pipe looks like it will have liberated a bit more power! Let me know how you go with the fork springs as I will soon be looking for some my bike.

I am as far south as you can go before freezing.

Unless you're from The Land of the Long White Cloud the furthest south that I know is Southport, TAZ.

Showing 100k sounds pretty good to me, what jets are you using?  Aces look to be pretty popular in your neck of the woods; there must be quite a few of them here in SinCity but I've yet to see two together.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jul 27, 2013, 22:47:30
yeah just the exhaust system added about 10kph to the top end as i only weigh 60kg.

i know its not as good as a dyno, but ive checked the app and gps receiver agaunst several speedos and its right on as far as i can tell. but heres a quick speed trace i did on the ace.
top speed just shy of 108kph but  i know ive hit about 120 according to the bike speedo i just didnt have the trace on that day. (110 is common but 120 is realy pushing with a tail wind)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 27, 2013, 23:13:28
Looks reasonable to me!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: Just Dan on Jul 29, 2013, 02:57:22
sprocket2cog - that pipe looks like it will have liberated a bit more power! Let me know how you go with the fork springs as I will soon be looking for some my bike.

Unless you're from The Land of the Long White Cloud the furthest south that I know is Southport, TAZ.

Showing 100k sounds pretty good to me, what jets are you using?  Aces look to be pretty popular in your neck of the woods; there must be quite a few of them here in SinCity but I've yet to see two together.

I am just over hour North of Southport. Since the three of us have bought the ACE's . It seems to sparked a lot of other people interest.

I put the sintered pads in my bike and brakes are not any better. Squeezing the brake goes just about to the handlebar. I looking around a braided hose as you can feel the standard one expand when pulling on the brakes. Also found a 4 pot brembo caliper that might fit on.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 29, 2013, 03:56:37
Nice part of the world, down on the Huon!
But I prefer to wait for summer.

The addition of a s/s braided hose helps a fair bit, but I think one finger stoppies are unlikely.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jul 29, 2013, 03:59:18
Hi Crazy, did you get the SS brake line made up or did you get an exsisting part, if so do you have a link etc, cheers
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 29, 2013, 04:04:42
It was made up by HEL: http://www.helperformance.com.au/ (http://www.helperformance.com.au/)

I needed a shorter cable than the original as the clip-ons are considerably lower.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jul 29, 2013, 04:16:02
Thanks Mate, do you remember the banjo sizes by any chance ?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 29, 2013, 08:13:59
I don't remember offhand - will measure them tomorrow and pass it on.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: Rich Ard on Jul 29, 2013, 23:03:15
Tom Terrific! That's your avatar! Now I can sleep at night.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 30, 2013, 05:13:28
I'm glad you can get some rest!

You can't possibly be old enough to have watched Tom and mighty Manfred the wonder dog during their heyday.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: Rich Ard on Jul 30, 2013, 05:25:37
I watched a bit of Captain Kangaroo as a kid.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: tom050162 on Jul 30, 2013, 14:46:36
I was trying to think what else could be done to improve the visual image of the bike and must admit
that the rear mudguard would make one hell of a difference if it was to be shortened or even removed
all together. Like most on here it would be easy to mount a little round brake light back of the seat hump
and fitted some fairing mounted indicators tidy's up the tail a lot!!!
Like this picture
 l
 l
\/

Anyway that's just my opinion
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 30, 2013, 18:02:10
That is a tidy bike!

As for the 'Ace'; I like the 'Dream' look so I will stick to making it run a bit stronger and leave the cosmetics alone.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 30, 2013, 19:42:38
This arrived yesterday!
Now making a new manifold can get underway.

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUc_Jo8BWQAUxk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd9ulqlIdn1Kk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: CaffEnthusiast on Jul 31, 2013, 10:27:41
Did you decide on going bigger, or just a swap out??

-Tim
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: tom050162 on Jul 31, 2013, 11:37:41
That's fair enough it still looks one hell of a bike crazy! ;D

is it a vm22 or 26 may I ask? I've been thinking of maybe putting a flat slide on my cg to see what it will perform like!

As for mine heres how it stands atm, still looking to loose the battery box (the old air filter box with the battery inside)
and also jack the back end of the bike up by about 25mm :)

What so you guys think?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 31, 2013, 18:14:54
The new carbie is a 26mm.  The original Chinese unit worked well enough, but with all the changes coming up I decided it would be easier to get it properly tuned using a Mikuni.

tom050162 - that's a neat CG you've got!

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: Just Dan on Aug 03, 2013, 08:05:51
Your Mikuni looks different from my 26mm Mikuni. Mine bolted straight on and did not have to adjust any thing. Mine has the flick up choke lever.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-w6hgcnq/0/L/IMG_0974-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2644035566&k=w6hgcnq&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stoppers!
Post by: BrooksNick on Aug 03, 2013, 22:15:31
I was trying to think what else could be done to improve the visual image of the bike and must admit
that the rear mudguard would make one hell of a difference if it was to be shortened or even removed
all together. Like most on here it would be easy to mount a little round brake light back of the seat hump
and fitted some fairing mounted indicators tidy's up the tail a lot!!!
Like this picture
 l
 l
\/

Anyway that's just my opinion

Made a mockup like that a while ago, when I was planning to buy one. Bought a Yamaha FS1 instead :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p206x206/1017511_10201225794960615_1786610172_n.jpg)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 03, 2013, 23:03:17
Just Dan - I'm not familiar with that model Mikuni.  Do you know what model bike it was made for?

I need to reposition the carb in order to to fit the Lynx filter under the seat, where the battery and filter box now sit.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: Just Dan on Aug 03, 2013, 23:35:52
Aboslutly no idea what bike fits. This is the Ebay link. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281083375124?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I may have found a braided brake hose off a pit bike from Ebay for $10. Should arrive this week. I let you know if it fits. Also arriving this week are some sticky tires. Michelin pilot sporty. It is a bit wet an slippery here, other wise I would not worry about changing the tires until they wear out.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: Redliner on Aug 03, 2013, 23:49:33
This thread:
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: Just Dan on Aug 10, 2013, 02:34:11
Hey Crazy, Do you want us to keep posting in your thread?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 10, 2013, 03:56:58
That's what it's for Dan!
 I don't have much to post at the moment, but a lot of stuff will be going up shortly.  In the meantime it's good to get feedback.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Aug 10, 2013, 04:23:50
just thought i would chuck this up for people doing up an ACE,

the rear pegs off a ZX6R RR  2000-2012 fit the peg hangers on the ace fairly well,
they sit just a bit high which is better then low pegs your feet slide off

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130881452127 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130881452127)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 10, 2013, 05:00:10
sprocket2cog - useful info!

If a hadn't had some Tarozzi pillion pegs sitting around I would certainly have gone for these.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - deep breathing!
Post by: Just Dan on Aug 10, 2013, 05:34:33
Ok. My $10 braided brake hose was a dud. In being about 80mm to short. I may have found one for $23. Will report back when it arrives. The problem is looking at the pics online and trying to figure out if the banjos are at the right angle.

I have fitted after market fake carbon LED indicators from EBay. Had me stumped fitting them. As all four would flash at one. Seems this is a common problem with LED's. Had to remove the indicator light in the Instruments to fix. I have to find a LED version of the bulb, I removed to get the blinking light back.

Bought a pair of Michelin pilot sporty tires and new tubes. The stock tires just about fall off and the tubes are looking pretty haggard. There are raised stripes on the inside of the tire rubbing against the tube. The Michelin's were only slightly harder to put on than bicycle tires.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-J5XLLn4/0/L/IMG_0982-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2684473429&k=J5XLLn4&lb=1&s=A)(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-xg2Fh7J/0/L/IMG_0985-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2686626064&k=xg2Fh7J&lb=1&s=A)

New ACE tank stickers arrived.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-9zbKvCT/0/L/IMG_0987-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2690481877&k=9zbKvCT&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - miscellaneous comments!
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 10, 2013, 10:42:15
Looking good Dan!

Haven't made the tyre change yet myself - that will be the next step when I get the motor sorted. Michelins are pretty close to the top of my list but the decision hasn't been made yet; let me know how yours work out.

LED indicators can be a pain without the appropriate circuitry but I'm sure you'll get there.

I know none of us want to over-capitalize our bikes (ha!), but brake hoses are not an item I where I would go for the cheap option.  A custom built hose is not that expensive for this critical component, but do check that what you purchase doesn't have aluminium fittings. I had one assembled by HEL in the deep north, but there are other places.

Crazy



Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 01, 2013, 05:00:13
The easiest (and cheapest) weight reduction so far:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUejAbLbpJxDhE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

1.712 kg:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdC0ynarKziAU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

It hasn't been used over the (antipodean) winter, it won't be missed, and it gives me a bit more wriggle-room for the carby repositioning.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: 3DogNate on Sep 01, 2013, 09:30:27
Just Dan, for your problem with the turn signals you can either buy or make something like this, it's just a pair of diodes... I just had to make the same thing for my bike as my speedo indicator light only had one wire. I used a pair of 1N7001 diodes from radio shack and some heat shrink. Did the trick...
(http://d114hh0cykhyb0.cloudfront.net/images/products/car/Flashers/mdk_diagram.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 01, 2013, 20:06:37
For your problem with the turn signals ...

I didn't know I had a problem!  Then I realised the info was for Just Dan.

I do have some changes to the indicators coming up but I haven't posted anything yet.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Sep 01, 2013, 22:40:15
The easiest (and cheapest) weight reduction so far:

See that wasn't so bad! You can hardly notice its gone! How did you cover the gap where the gearing goes in?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 01, 2013, 23:02:34
At the moment it's plugged with polyester resin - quick and dirty!

Later I will remove the gear housing and do a neater fix.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - neatness counts!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 02, 2013, 03:52:33
Rear indicator mounts before:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUecWey8uku_Dk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

plus:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfwO4SHvtP9aU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - neater!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 03, 2013, 04:43:23
After:

Drill, prime,paint, re-fit.

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeAb17uzsym_k-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUepvcEJbvXeGk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Haven't had the time for any of the major stuff lately, but it's good to get some little things done!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Sep 03, 2013, 04:54:02
Hey Crazy, have you managed to kickstart the ACE yet ? its just a few of us on the ACE facebook pagehave taken the kickstart off as we have had no success in kicking them over, it seems like the kick start just dosnt give enough turnover to start, if so what was your starting procedure, choke on off etc
cheers.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 03, 2013, 05:57:07
sprocket2cog - if you look on page 13 of this thread you will see (or is that not see?) that the starter has been removed.  I haven't used it in the last three months.  And the choke was discarded on page 7!

Bearing in mind the minor mods I have made so far, my starting procedure is fairly simple:

When cold starting I screw the idle adjustment in a couple of turns, and give about three kicks with ignition off.
Turn ignition on and it usually starts in two or three kicks.
Re-adjust idle.

Warm starting is usually no problem.

When the motor changes are complete, particularly with the Mikuni fitted, I expect things to be much simpler!

Good luck!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Sep 03, 2013, 06:25:44
thanks crazy, i saw you had taken the starter off thats why i was wondering :) ill try tommorow.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - all that glisters is not gold!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 06, 2013, 00:00:12
Another step on the path to removing all chrome from the 'Ace':

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfoYf5mFeRlaE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Stripped ready for painting.  It turned out that the plating was very well done; the chrome was solid and there was thick copper underneath.  It took way longer than usual to strip.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ronnie on Sep 06, 2013, 01:10:52
What did you use to strip them?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 06, 2013, 02:07:14
The good stuff - hydrochloric acid!

Clears the sinuses as a side effect.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Sep 06, 2013, 03:24:08
cool, glad to see you also dont like chrome ! i didnt strip the chrome off, just rubbed it all down with sandpaper and etch primed.
Also thanks for the info on kickstarting, worked it out for mine -, choke half on and two kicks with key off, and she then normally starts first kick thanks for that :)
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ronnie on Sep 06, 2013, 04:39:49
Ahh acid.. I guess it doesn't hurt that plastic either. Neat.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 06, 2013, 04:50:43
sprocket2cog - there's always a suitable kickstart method.  The 'Ace' is the first bike I've owned that had an electric leg!

ronnie - HCl is great with plastic but you need to keep an eye on the progress when using it with metal!

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ronnie on Sep 06, 2013, 14:39:22
Got it, thanks.. Never knew it would do that. I know its some nasty stuff!
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Just Dan on Sep 09, 2013, 09:26:00
You can learn some great things on here. I copied Strokers idea and mounted my rear indictors to the main frame.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-qfMKJBL/0/L/IMGP1676-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2753011922&k=qfMKJBL&lb=1&s=A)

Grinded the frame, so the side stand is now level with the frame.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-CZcQVqk/0/L/IMGP1680-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2753014143&k=CZcQVqk&lb=1&s=A)



Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: bradj on Sep 09, 2013, 09:30:05
You gotta a lot of nice stuff crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Just Dan on Sep 21, 2013, 19:06:57
Crazy, did you go for a big bore kit ?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 21, 2013, 20:05:00
The big bore kit is definitely going to happen (see page 9) but a whole heap of other changes will need doing first.

Will post some more stuff soon!

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Just Dan on Sep 21, 2013, 23:57:04
Not too hard to fit and take about 4hrs. Properly quicker if you knew what you where doing with CG's

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-4vTGCmV/0/L/IMG_1024-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2779600611&k=4vTGCmV&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 22, 2013, 03:50:18
Looks good Dan!

Mine's taking so long because I'm repositioning the carbie, which leads to moving the battery, eliminating the starter, and doing several other minor changes that occur to me as I'm travelling along.

It would help if I hadn't been swamped with non-bike stuff lately!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - now you see it …
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 27, 2013, 02:03:57
The gear housing serves no purpose now the starter has gone:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdU3bBdC039y0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Brodie on Sep 27, 2013, 02:55:37
Nice weight reduction there Crazy. what does the engine look like now that is gone?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - now you don't!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 27, 2013, 03:15:39
Need to finish this before the DGR on Sunday!

So far:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcTfvPulIxpHk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 27, 2013, 20:39:50
Hole filled!

Ready to go on bike:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUckz2VQjOuSUE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - stymied!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 28, 2013, 00:14:32
Pulled the original LH crankcase cover to replace it with the modified unit.

Alternator stator and CDI trigger held in place with bolts 7mm across the flats - this I do not have.
After working in 30 C heat with no shade, I do not feel inclined to rush to the shop to buy necessary socket.

DGR tomorrow, replace cover Monday!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Sep 29, 2013, 02:09:41
Thanks Chris.

Been thinking about removing the starter, as I kickstart it anyway.  It doesn't look easy to do tidily so I've put in on the back burner until I get all the current changes finished.

I do have one weight saving underway:


Seeing that I'm moving the battery to underneath the seat hump, I went for something smaller and lighter!

Don't know about 100k being the new ton, but it's good to have a goal to aim for (and surpass).

Crazy

Hi Dan

found this thread as I'm currently considering buying an Ace to join my 04 Blackbird & 92 CBR600. Walked into a showroom last month, saw one and thought "ooooooh"

Anyways back on Topic. Have you considered using a Battery Eliminator to save weight?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200968890613
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2013, 05:44:42
mikey64 - don't know if your message is for Just Dan or me, so I'll reply anyway!

Battery eliminators can be useful, particularly if a bike is used for racing.  On a road bike with headlight, indicators, etc. they can result in less than adequate results in daily operation, especially on CDI equipped machines.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Sep 29, 2013, 06:38:37
mikey64 - don't know if your message is for Just Dan or me, so I'll reply anyway!

Battery eliminators can be useful, particularly if a bike is used for racing.  On a road bike with headlight, indicators, etc. they can result in less than adequate results in daily operation, especially on CDI equipped machines.

Crazy

for you :)

anyways it was a consideration question but thanks for the clarification.

Loving what you're doing to her BTW 8)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2013, 09:59:56
Thanks for the suggestion mikey64; the little 7Ah Shorai battery will be going in shortly. It's only 445g so its not a lot heavier than the battery eliminator (but a lot more expensive!).

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Sep 29, 2013, 11:50:49
whilst I'm on suggestions (& given you're keeping the battery) does the stock headlight rely on fluted glass or reflector design for beam alignment?

If the former then I've had a lot of good success with H4 Hi/Lo HID bulbs on my CBR600 & old ST1100 .

Don't know what the alternator on the Ace is like but the HIDs give out far more/better light at 35w than halogens at 55w.

Also wonder whether you could get some flush mount indicators fitted at the rear, eliminate the stalks.

Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Alan Vega on Sep 29, 2013, 13:24:22
Hi to all of you.
I just found this thread and since information and owners of these great bike are quite scarce I'm glad I did !
I am a french owner of one of these nice bikes.
I also followed JustDan thread on ADVrider so sorry if you read this presentation already:

So I bought one here in France a month and a half ago and I already modded it a bit.
As far as mechanics go, I put the ooracing Stage 1 kit (with air filter) and racing CDI.
Exhaust is from feked and straight through.

The bike is really performing better now. I got 113km/h GPS speedometer but the most pleasant is that now it can easily cruise at 90km/h without pushing the engine strong.
I didn't manage to bring it faster than 120 km/h on flat road (with wind facing) though the engine is not reving up (and it's not very high).
Would a change of carb help me get more rev when I am in 5Th gear ?

Cosmetically you can see changes on the pictures. Still some more things to do but I already like the way it is now.

Next big thing is to change tyres and rear shock.

Also I want to install an electronic tachometer.
What wire/plug should I plug the pulse wire from the tachometer to ? (could you refer to the Ace schematics and give me the wire colour ?)

(http://e-nautia.com/vco.vca.vcf/disk/Skyteam/Skyteam%20Ace_20%20septembre%202013_02.jpg)
(http://e-nautia.com/vco.vca.vcf/disk/Skyteam/Skyteam%20Ace_20%20septembre%202013_11.jpg)
(http://e-nautia.com/vco.vca.vcf/disk/Skyteam/Skyteam%20Ace_20%20septembre%202013_12.jpg)
(http://e-nautia.com/vco.vca.vcf/disk/Skyteam/Skyteam%20Ace_20%20septembre%202013_22.jpg)
(http://e-nautia.com/vco.vca.vcf/disk/Skyteam/Skyteam%20Ace_20%20septembre%202013_05.jpg)
(http://e-nautia.com/vco.vca.vcf/disk/Skyteam/Skyteam%20Ace_20%20septembre%202013_10.jpg)
(http://e-nautia.com/vco.vca.vcf/disk/Skyteam/Skyteam%20Ace_20%20septembre%202013_15.jpg)


Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Sep 29, 2013, 17:19:11
Ok decision made and I've commited myself to getting an ACE. (getting her from the workshop I used to have all my work done at before I moved, doing me a good deal £1600 on the road including a sports exhaust.

Question though , what do these babies rev too ?

Reason for asking is I'm considering replacing the clocks with a combined tacho/speedo unit from Acewell and they come in various max RPM flavours

http://www.acewell.co.uk/Acewell%20Speedometers/ACE-4xxx/index.htm

Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Sep 29, 2013, 17:26:22
not sure wat it revs to, but you could google the max rpm of a honda cg 125 as its basiclly the same motor. my guess is around 10-12 000 rpm
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Sep 29, 2013, 17:29:43
not sure wat it revs to, but you could google the max rpm of a honda cg 125 as its basiclly the same motor. my guess is around 10-12 000 rpm

my gut was around 9/10k as I read somewhere the peak power of the ACE is at 7500 rpm
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Sep 29, 2013, 17:30:50
Alan the rear pegs for a zx-9r fit  the ace hangers so you can go full alloy on them, look good and no rubber to wear out, your bikes looking good.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130881452127 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130881452127)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: sprocket2cog on Sep 29, 2013, 17:33:02
my gut was around 9/10k as I read somewhere the peak power of the ACE is at 7500 rpm

yep i think a 10k tach would do it, it likes to short shift anyway as well.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Sep 29, 2013, 17:36:05
yep i think a 10k tach would do it, it likes to short shift anyway as well.
Honda CG125 Tacho :)

(http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/attachments/bikes-3-wheelers/404829d1336390175-honda-cg-125-speedometer-img00038.jpg)

If i did get the Acewell then would get the 12k rather than the 9k version, you can set a warning light for max RPM/Gear change
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Erskine on Sep 29, 2013, 19:18:50
Lovely bike Mate. Can I confirm the single best up grade for this OHV CG clone engine is a 150cc piston and barrel.
Honda designed this engine as a 150. They only reduced the capacity to meet the market demand for 125CC.
It rocks when bored as god intended:)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Sep 29, 2013, 19:33:41
hmmm wonder how much fettling would be needed?

(http://www.discovolantemoto.co.uk/ekmps/shops/howarddavies/images/replica-works-fairing-890-p.jpg)

http://www.discovolantemoto.co.uk/replica-works-fairing-890-p.asp

Fettling:

Mounting brackets yes. Headlight yes (hi/lo HID projector behind perspex?) . Indicators not a huge problem, there's some very neat flush mounted ones around. Instruments, stay in the standard location surely?

Too late at night and too many ideas running around head lol
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2013, 21:46:49
Question though , what do these babies rev to ?

Skyteam quote maximum power at 8000rpm and maximum torque at 6000rpm. A 10k tachometer will fill the bill, although I have a 14k unit that shows 10k at 12 0'clock - makes it easier to get an idea of the revs with a quick glance.

Thanks for your experiences with headlights, I will be looking into the possibilities when I get a bit further down my current list of tasks!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2013, 22:22:01
The bike is really performing better now. I got 113km/h GPS speedometer but the most pleasant is that now it can easily cruise at 90km/h without pushing the engine strong.
I didn't manage to bring it faster than 120 km/h on flat road (with wind facing) though the engine is not reving up (and it's not very high).
Would a change of carb help me get more rev when I am in 5Th gear ?

Cosmetically you can see changes on the pictures. Still some more things to do but I already like the way it is now.

Next big thing is to change tyres and rear shock.

Also I want to install an electronic tachometer. What wire/plug should I plug the pulse wire from the tachometer to ? (could you refer to the Ace schematics and give me the wire colour ?)

Welcome to a fellow 'Ace' rider from la belle France!

It was good to see the photos of your bike - I also intend to only make minor changes to the appearance.

I am still using the original tyres as I find them perfectly satisfactory, on dry roads at least (I haven't ridden the 'Ace' very far in the wet).  I find a considerable improvement in stability with the new shocks - the originals performed very poorly.

There are several places to connect an electronic tachometer; probably the best is the red/white connection between the pick-up and the CDI.
The tachometer you buy should have information on the preferred method of connection.

It sounds like you have the bike performing quite well already by I can understand your frustration at running out of revs.  It would be a good idea to install the tachometer before chasing more top-end. At least then you would know how many revs were missing!
Lack of top-gear power might be helped by a different carburettor, but the ignition could be the culprit. Are you running the original sprockets? The gearing can dramatically effect the performance.

Let us know how your modifications work out.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2013, 22:26:22
It rocks when bored as god intended

I can't wait to get my 150 kit set up!

Do you have an 'Ace' yourself?

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2013, 22:28:38
hmmm wonder how much fettling would be needed?

Much!

But do it anyway.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Sep 30, 2013, 00:28:32
Some fantastic contributions in this thread, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 30, 2013, 00:34:24
Thanks Chris!

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Just Dan on Sep 30, 2013, 04:38:57
Lovely bike Mate. Can I confirm the single best up grade for this OHV CG clone engine is a 150cc piston and barrel.
Honda designed this engine as a 150. They only reduced the capacity to meet the market demand for 125CC.
It rocks when bored as god intended:)

I have to agree. I am really surprized on how much of a difference the 150 makes. I have really steep hills around my place and the stocker. I would be back to first gear before the top of the hill. Now it fly's up in third at 60 kph. I also have the big valve head, but not really sure how of a difference it makes. As the valves are only 1mm larger.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Alan Vega on Sep 30, 2013, 07:20:49
Welcome to a fellow 'Ace' rider from la belle France!

It was good to see the photos of your bike - I also intend to only make minor changes to the appearance.

I am still using the original tyres as I find them perfectly satisfactory, on dry roads at least (I haven't ridden the 'Ace' very far in the wet).  I find a considerable improvement in stability with the new shocks - the originals performed very poorly.

There are several places to connect an electronic tachometer; probably the best is the red/white connection between the pick-up and the CDI.
The tachometer you buy should have information on the preferred method of connection.

It sounds like you have the bike performing quite well already by I can understand your frustration at running out of revs.  It would be a good idea to install the tachometer before chasing more top-end. At least then you would know how many revs were missing!
Lack of top-gear power might be helped by a different carburettor, but the ignition could be the culprit. Are you running the original sprockets? The gearing can dramatically effect the performance.

Let us know how your modifications work out.

Crazy

Thanx for the welcome and replies.
I put ooracing kit that includes the 34t rear sprocket, hence the increase in top speed.
Top speed is alright just I feel that the engine is running low at 5th so maybe could still get some more power somewhere.
Or maybe the 34t is too tall.
Anyway I will try a 1 tooth smaller front sprocket to get back some torque and see how the bike will behave thus.

I'll probably install my tacho today so I'll let you know. I guessed too that a good connection would be the red/white at the CDI.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Alan Vega on Sep 30, 2013, 07:30:16
Alan the rear pegs for a zx-9r fit  the ace hangers so you can go full alloy on them, look good and no rubber to wear out, your bikes looking good.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130881452127 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130881452127)

I definitely like those foot peg.
I cannot open the link however, I get the ebay error 'unfortunately due to legal restrictions etc etc'.
Can you just tell me the item title so that I can try to find it ?
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 30, 2013, 08:42:44
… but not really sure how of a difference it makes. As the valves are only 1mm larger.

1mm doesn't sound like a lot Dan, but it translates into 7% more area on the intake and, more importantly, 8.5% increase in exhaust area.

This makes a more than worthwhile gain in getting mixture in and exhaust gases out!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 30, 2013, 08:50:50
Or maybe the 34t is too tall.

I was thinking 34t might be too big a step; will be very interested in how things are altered by the smaller front.

Your tachometer will give us the first real numbers concerning rpm, so I guess everyone will be eager to see your results!

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Erskine on Sep 30, 2013, 15:44:13
I can't wait to get my 150 kit set up!

Do you have an 'Ace' yourself?

Crazy

No I have the same generic engine powering a trials outfit. Would love an Ace though. Mines first incarnation was as a cafe racer but the CG frame and running gear are pants in comparison to the Ace. I love the pushrod engine though. Its a design masterpiece for the third world.
If you look down the front of your header is there an inner pipe of a smaller diametre? If there is make a new header without it but keep the same silencer .... these puppies thrive on back pressure, with out any they are just all noise and disappointment.
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 30, 2013, 16:43:24
If you look down the front of your header is there an inner pipe of a smaller diameter?

The 'Ace has the smaller inner pipe.  My new header (see page 6) is longer than the original and retains the original silencer, but with different mounting brackets.  The diameter and length have been calculated to assist mid-range power, and top-end should be still healthy because of the intake modifications.

I agree with you on the motor design, and Lifan seem to have done a good job with their version!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Alan Vega on Sep 30, 2013, 17:00:16
I was thinking 34t might be too big a step; will be very interested in how things are altered by the smaller front.

Your tachometer will give us the first real numbers concerning rpm, so I guess everyone will be eager to see your results!

Crazy

Tachometer is mounted and running. Just used the bike to come home from work so I couldn't rev to the max (I live in a big city).
I could give you some readings when i have the opportunity to test it more. Won't be before thursday for sure.

Regarding the 34t it's not that big. I live in a very hilly town and still it's fine. Getting some extra torque would be nice so I'll try the smaller front sprocket (14) and decide afterwards which of the 34/15 or 34/14 setup I keep.
Definitely not going back to 38 for sure. Guess 36 rear is the best compromise. I'll get the same result with the 34/14 setup.
I just did some math and found that if I'd kept the stock rear sprocket (38) and changed the front for a 17 (2 tooth more) I would have gotten more or less the same ratio I have now with the 15/34 setup.
Question is: why do ooracing sell a kit with a 34t rear sprocket when a 17t front sprocket would have given the same results ? Is there any mechanical reason to rather change the rear sprocket rather than the front one (because the later it is even easier to change) ?
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Erskine on Sep 30, 2013, 17:08:23
The 'Ace has the smaller inner pipe.  My new header (see page 6) is longer than the original and retains the original silencer, but with different mounting brackets.  The diameter and length have been calculated to assist mid-range power, and top-end should be still healthy because of the intake modifications.

I agree with you on the motor design, and Lifan seem to have done a good job with their version!

Crazy

PM sent :)
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 01, 2013, 06:17:07
why do ooracing sell a kit with a 34t rear sprocket when a 17t front sprocket would have given the same results ?

Their is no logical reason that I can think of for going smaller on the rear sprocket instead of larger on the front, if a suitable ratio can be achieved that way.  A larger front sprocket is theoretically more efficient and kinder to the chain because the links don't have to rotate to such an extreme angle.

Sometimes a bike will not have clearance for a large enough front sprocket, or an appropriate size is not available.  Otherwise a larger front would be my preferred option.

Looking forward to the results from your tachometer!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Just Dan on Oct 01, 2013, 08:00:55
I tried the 34 th rear sprocket on and had to take a link out of the chain. I am now running the std 38th on the rear and one tooth larger on the front. That makes it the same as if i used a 36th rear.

Sort of a half way compromise. Not quite sure what the top speed is, but cruises easily at 90 kph.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 01, 2013, 08:22:39
Sort of a half way compromise. Not quite sure what the top speed is, but cruises easily at 90 kph.

That sounds like a sensible approach with the gearing Dan.  We don't have enough power to go for extreme changes without having dramatic fall-off in performance somewhere.

While we all like to go a little bit faster I don't think many of got these bikes thinking they were bargain basement 'Busa killers.  Comfortable at 90k and perhaps topping out at 110-120k would satisfy me.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Erskine on Oct 01, 2013, 09:25:20
I tried the 34 th rear sprocket on and had to take a link out of the chain. I am now running the std 38th on the rear and one tooth larger on the front. That makes it the same as if i used a 36th rear.

Sort of a half way compromise. Not quite sure what the top speed is, but cruises easily at 90 kph.

I've found this a rather useful little chart :)

http://www.wemoto.com/info/Sprocket_Gear_Ratios/
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 02, 2013, 21:22:26
My box arrived late yesterday, managed to put on the handlebars. Got tomorrow off so hopefully can put on the front wheel and finish her off!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 02, 2013, 21:57:42
It's going to be a big weekend!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 02, 2013, 21:58:58
Absolutely, I really hope I can knock it over tomorrow in time to get to TMR to register it!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 03, 2013, 18:17:16
I almost feel like a bit of a cheat as mines being dealer (well mates garage) prepped, hurry up next week !!

Mind you means they're doing all the paperwork with the DVLA
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 03, 2013, 19:39:34
Chris - good luck on the assembly!

Mikey - whatever it takes, as long as it's on the road!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 04, 2013, 01:24:28
All built, just need to go for a test ride, and register this afternoon!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 04, 2013, 04:51:24
All rego'd and running ok. Learned a great lesson , did a slow u turn and dropped the bike because the rear tyre was so slippery. So angry at myself... Only damage was I bent the rear brake pedal, I'll order a new one...

Does stall a bit, but I think that's because I haven't worked the choke out yet, leaving the choke causes it to really bog down and stall. Could because it's new ... Dunno

But she ain't fast, but it's a lot more fun than a 50cc!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 04, 2013, 11:03:29
We've all done something like that some time or other!  I always hand sand a new tyre with some coarse sandpaper and take it very carefully for a while.

They like some choke to start, especially when new, but won't run with it on.  You will find it picks up some more speed once it is run-in.

Have fun!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - at DGR!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 04, 2013, 23:19:20
The only 'Ace' at DGR SinCity!

A bit upstaged by a restored 'Dream' however.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - hogging the camera!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 05, 2013, 00:19:32
Fifteen seconds in the limelight!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - hogging the camera!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 05, 2013, 06:08:49
Fifteen seconds in the limelight!

Crazy

Still or video ?

Whats that blue stuff in the sky ??
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: HerrDeacon on Oct 05, 2013, 06:17:12
Looks great crazy!
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 05, 2013, 10:38:16
Mikey - they were shooting video.  I apologise for the blue stuff; I normally try to crop it out if I think someone from the UK might be viewing.

We had a great DGR here in SinCity HerrDeacon, we had 200-300 bikes, perfect weather, and no 'incidents'.

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 05, 2013, 11:01:45
Question:

Will the OEM battery fir under the rear seat hump or does it need to be one of the smaller batteries like the 4 cell antigravity?
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: Erskine on Oct 05, 2013, 17:08:55

Whats that blue stuff in the sky ??

I saw blue stuff in the sky once, was very strange but didn't last long and it started to rain again. Phew.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 05, 2013, 21:58:06
Question:

Will the OEM battery fir under the rear seat hump or does it need to be one of the smaller batteries like the 4 cell antigravity?

I think the stock battery might be a too tight fit. I'm using a 7Ah Shorai which fits easily and, equally important, only weighs 446g.

Crazy
Title: Re: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 05, 2013, 22:01:32
I saw blue stuff in the sky once …

I think you're fairly safe Erskine - it will probably never happen again!

Crazy
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 06, 2013, 03:06:23
I think the stock battery might be a too tight fit. I'm using a 7Ah Shorai which fits easily and, equally important, only weighs 446g.

Crazy

Duly noted Sir :)




Lightness wasn't my primary reason, looking at using a Cone type performance air filter which will neccesitate removal of OEM airbox & battery tray (if I've read the parts list fiche correctly)


Hmm may go fo the 9ah SHorai (still in a type 2 case)  just so I can say mines bigger than yours lol

Shorai: http://carrotcycles.co.uk/index.php?search%5Bkeywords%5D=shorai&_a=category
Air Filter: http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3720
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 06, 2013, 03:36:19
… just so I can say mines bigger than yours

I'm contented with just big enough to do the job!
Besides I don't ride much at night so the battery has an easy time.

The airbox/battery tray have to go if you're fitting any sort of aftermarket filter (there's not much room to manoeuvre).

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 06, 2013, 03:45:32
Looking good Tom, how long till we see that fairing on the bike?!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 06, 2013, 03:51:48
Followers of this site will probable notice the change of name:

"The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource"

While the thread started as a documentation of the changes to my 'Ace' it has morphed into a different beast entirely!

The change signifies the reality that it has become a general source for discussion, information, and questions regarding this oriental masterpiece.

I hope everybody finds this useful and will continue to post here.  If you want to run a separate thread for your own work it would be good if you could cross-link with this one.

Let me know your thoughts on this!

Crazy (about the 'Ace'!)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 06, 2013, 04:02:43
… how long till we see that fairing on the bike?!

I started out thinking it would happen fairly quickly, but it has been swamped by the subsequent proliferation of ideas!

It has now been relegated to a place in the queue after the installation of the Koso instruments, and the changes to the motor.  However, it is still going ahead and will be all the better for the delay.  As I am going to go the plug/mold/finished fairing route, it will be a fairly simple thing to lay glass for repeats for any who want one.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 06, 2013, 04:16:28
Followers of this site will probable notice the change of name:

"The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource"

While the thread started as a documentation of the changes to my 'Ace' it has morphed into a different beast entirely!

The change signifies the reality that it has become a general source for discussion, information, and questions regarding this oriental masterpiece.

I hope everybody finds this useful and will continue to post here.  If you want to run a separate thread for your own work it would be good if you could cross-link with this one.

Let me know your thoughts on this!

Crazy (about the 'Ace'!)

whoops it does seem to have been hijacked (in a nice way) a little :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 06, 2013, 04:33:59
I think the expansion of use is an improvement!

When the thread started I didn't know there would be this much interest.

It's all good!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 06, 2013, 04:49:20
well it was this thread that swayed my decision to buy the Ace & given me a few ideas. Hope I can put a slightly different twist on some of them.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 06, 2013, 04:52:37
Sounds like a plan, appreciate all your knowledge and guidance Tom!


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: buckeyebike on Oct 06, 2013, 09:38:56
Would love to find one of these . . . cool little bike.  How about painting the frame black?  Then some alloy wheels  ;)

(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l606/Thrux1/Dream001.jpg) (http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/Thrux1/media/Dream001.jpg.html)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 06, 2013, 17:38:23
Would love to find one of these . . . cool little bike.  How about painting the frame black?  Then some alloy wheels  ;)

(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l606/Thrux1/Dream001.jpg) (http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/Thrux1/media/Dream001.jpg.html)

They do come in a black frame, I contemplated getting the black frame and painting the silver parts black too. Even matt black...


http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43357.0;attach=86362;image
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 06, 2013, 17:38:56
What RON fuel do you guys use? Any harm with 98?

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 06, 2013, 20:13:51
Any harm with 98?

They seem to run better with 95, at least that's my experience.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 06, 2013, 21:49:09
I'll give that a try next time I fill up.

I removed the kick stand kill switch yesterday, I like to warm up before I set off without having to sit on the bike.  I know there are probably safety reasons why it is there but I just found it annoying!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 06, 2013, 22:33:21
I removed the kick stand kill switch yesterday …

I disconnected the switch before I rode it the first time; I don't like clutch switches either.

I don't think anyone forgets to raise the sidestand more than once!

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 06, 2013, 22:34:56
I was wondering what those leads I connected into the clutch were, so they are cut outs too? Under what circumstances does it cut out?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 06, 2013, 23:36:38
From what I remember, it's so you can pull the clutch in to operate the electric-leg while in gear.

Anyway it was something pretty useless, especially now that the starter has been removed!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 07, 2013, 02:00:23


I removed the kick stand kill switch yesterday, I like to warm up before I set off without having to sit on the bike.  I know there are probably safety reasons why it is there but I just found it annoying!



I disconnected the switch before I rode it the first time; I don't like clutch switches either.

I don't think anyone forgets to raise the sidestand more than once!

Crazy


Which genius thought it was a good idea not to be able to run the bike on the sidestand?

Anyways thanks for that, 1 less thing to catch me out when she gets here ;o)

So is it a simple case of disconnecting or do you need to short out the loom side?


Thought occurs to me. I have a redundant Oil Pressure warning light on the Acewell, I could wire it via the sidestand switch to use as an idiot light for the stand
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 07, 2013, 02:03:14



Which genius thought it was a good idea not to be able to run the bike on the sidestand?

Anyways thanks for that, 1 less thing to catch me out when she gets here ;o)

So is it a simple case of disconnecting or do you need to short out the loom side?

There is a 8mm bolt on the stand, which you take off, the switch and lead runs up through the bike and there is a simple plug to undo. I cut the lead because I could not be bothered reattaching a zip tie which holds the cable to the frame, then unplugged it.


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 07, 2013, 05:27:37
In case anyone has missed it, there is an 'Ace' thread from a SteelCity member at http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=53083.0;topicseen.

He is a new rider with his first bike, starting of on the right foot!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: jarradschmarrad on Oct 07, 2013, 07:37:11
In case anyone has missed it, there is an 'Ace' thread from a SteelCity member at http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=53083.0;topicseen.

He is a new rider with his first bike, starting of on the right foot!

Crazy

Thanks mate! Can't get enough of this thread too!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 07, 2013, 07:46:36
..... If you want to run a separate thread for your own work it would be good if you could cross-link with this one.

Crazy (about the 'Ace'!)

cool, not as much going on as your's, but heres my Ace thread too.

http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=45949 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=45949)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: kwando on Oct 08, 2013, 08:04:24
Hello Ace owners,

I'm hoping to join the ranks, but unsure if I will fit on the bike as there are no places to try them where I am (in Melbourne).

I'm 6' and 90kg. Jarrod, one of the other owners, has told me he is 6'2 and is happy with the bike, but I'm hoping to get some more feedback before I make the purchase. The size of the bike is the only thing holding me back.

If you're 6' or above, please let me know how you feel on the bike. I don't intend to ride it for very long distances (mostly 45min trips).

Thanks in advance,

Sean
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 08, 2013, 08:08:59
Hi Sean, im just under 6 foot (181cm) and but i only weigh 60kg but size wise long rides are a bit tight on leg room, but thats true of a lot of sports bikes too. power wise, dont expect great acceleration on it and a few simple mods will get a bit more top speed (exhaust and sprocket)

Sean. (also in Victoria )
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 08, 2013, 08:25:38
The size of the bike …

For short trips your height shouldn't be a problem, but those extra kilos won't help acceleration!

Sean (sprocket2cog that is) is correct about needing minor modification.  Getting rid of the EGR and CAT and some re-jetting would be a minimum.

I'm under 6' so I haven't had any out-of-the-ordinary difficulty doing five to six hour riding days.

Keep us posted if you go ahead!

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Walms on Oct 08, 2013, 08:29:30

I disconnected the switch before I rode it the first time; I don't like clutch switches either.

I don't think anyone forgets to raise the sidestand more than once!

Crazy

I've witnessed 2 bad crashes in the past 4 years regarding this plus a handful of times where it was pointed out before the stand had a chance to touch down. It seems to be 2nd nature for me but from what I've seen, not so much for everyone! I think you are right though, once you've made the mistake once, you will tend to remember!
 It's a great safety for a newb! I plan to install one on my daughters bike project.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: kwando on Oct 08, 2013, 08:33:49
Haha yeah, looks like I'll have another reason to get on the treadmill. Those post high school kilo's pile on quick.

My plan would be to do the basic mods to get it 'OK' until I go for the P's test, and then to eventually change it out to a 250cc.

Going to give it some more serious thought. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 08, 2013, 08:38:53
... unsure if I will fit on the bike as there are no places to try them where I am (in Melbourne).

two wheel garage in the city sells them Sean, you could go and sit on one there he might have a test model im not sure.
heres their details on g+
https://plus.google.com/105427892777233065027/about?hl=en (https://plus.google.com/105427892777233065027/about?hl=en)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: kwando on Oct 08, 2013, 08:50:50
Called up 2 wheel garage this arvo Sean. They no longer sell them because you can buy them direct from Ikonik now. They only help assemble the bike if you so require it.

The guy on the phone (forget his name) said that I'd most likely be too tall for the bike. That's why I thought I should talk to some owners first before making up my mind. To add to the complexity in all this is that this will be my first bike, so I won't know what will be a good fit or not really...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 08, 2013, 16:11:16
… another reason to get on the treadmill.

I could lose a few kilos myself!  It would be cheaper/easier than removing the equivalent weight from the bike.

Boosting the 'Ace' to 250cc seems tempting, but not without a serious brake upgrade!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 08, 2013, 19:12:29
I am 6'1", 87 kilos and I feel fine.  I have long arms and legs and the only complaint I have is I feel the handlebar isnt wide enough, my hands seem to drift out, but I've only been on the bike for 4-5 days now. 

I too was concerned about how comfortable I would be, I do about 13kms commute each day and its fine.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 08, 2013, 19:26:44
I too was concerned about how comfortable I would be, I do about 13kms commute each day and its fine.

yeah short rides no issues, but im sometimes riding it 640km  in one day (thats seven hours in the saddle, then you know its no crusier :O
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 08, 2013, 19:28:50
heh, yeah that's a big difference.  I doubt I'll be riding her that far at all. 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 08, 2013, 19:29:30
My Ace has arrived safe & sound and is settling in with her sisters:)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1271097_10151871006307200_1004660689_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 08, 2013, 19:31:34
In another news, as I mentioned above on my first ride out I dropped the bike and bent the brake pedal.  Contacted Ikonik and they send one FOC overnight express to get me back on the road. 

Awesome customer service!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 08, 2013, 19:32:29
My Ace has arrived safe & sound and is settling in with her sisters:)

Looks great with the polished exhaust!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 08, 2013, 20:10:08
Cheers Chris

and from another angle

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/736129_10151871053517200_570128464_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 08, 2013, 23:34:23
I for the life of me cannot get the stock mirrors into a position where I can see much behind me.  Side lanes absolutely, but because I am quite broad the stock ones just are not right for me. 

So I have ordered some bar end mirrors from Third Gear (they have free shipping this week until Friday!): http://www.thirdgear.com.au/products/Bradford-Black-Motorcycle-Bar-End-Mirrors.html

Hope I can use the stock grips still, might need to mod them or worst comes to worst buy some new ones.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 08, 2013, 23:43:51
Hope I can use the stock grips still, might need to mod them or worst comes to worst buy some new ones.

You need to cut the ends of the grips and you will find metal weights in the bar ends, you cant pull them out, you need to get a socket extension or metal bar and knock the weights about an inch or so into the handlebars to get the bar endders to fit on.
(it takes a little bit of force)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 08, 2013, 23:54:33
You need to cut the ends of the grips and you will find metal weights in the bar ends, you cant pull them out, you need to get a socket extension or metal bar and knock the weights about an inch or so into the handlebars to get the bar endders to fit on.
(it takes a little bit of force)

Thanks for the information, really appreciate it.  If I can just cut off the ends with a stanley knife, that would be ideal. 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 08, 2013, 23:57:41
Thanks for the information, really appreciate it.  If I can just cut off the ends with a stanley knife, that would be ideal.
yep thats exactly what i did, just make sure to take enough off the throttle  side grip, so it dosnt touch the mirror  or it can bind up and stick while your riding. leave about a 5mm gap
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 08, 2013, 23:59:36
Will do...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: kwando on Oct 09, 2013, 09:20:22
I am 6'1", 87 kilos and I feel fine.  I have long arms and legs and the only complaint I have is I feel the handlebar isnt wide enough, my hands seem to drift out, but I've only been on the bike for 4-5 days now. 

I too was concerned about how comfortable I would be, I do about 13kms commute each day and its fine.

Hi Chris, that's good to hear (not the part where the bars feel too narrow). I don't plan on taking any trips longer than 10k each way. Is this your first bike?

- Sean
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 09, 2013, 16:44:38
I wonder if in 15-20 years time a well kept/unused Ace will ever be considered a classic.

The CR110 begat the Dream 50 begat the Ace 125


An unregistered 97 UK Dream 50 for £8k
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CB50V-DREAM-50-NEVER-BEEN-STARTED-OR-REGD-AND-JUST-1-PUSHED-KM-PERFECT-/281183416900?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4177d67244


An original CR110 for £28k
http://www.racebikemart.com/adverts/honda_cr110__1234175770.php
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 09, 2013, 18:25:28
Hi Chris, that's good to hear (not the part where the bars feel too narrow). I don't plan on taking any trips longer than 10k each way. Is this your first bike?

- Sean

First bike after riding a 50cc scooter for 18 months.  I am sure I will get used to the handlebar, just a new riding position etc, body takes a while to get used to it.
Title: Re: the "Ace" - adding lightness!
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 09, 2013, 18:37:55
Thanks Chris.

Been thinking about removing the starter, as I kickstart it anyway.  It doesn't look easy to do tidily so I've put in on the back burner until I get all the current changes finished.

I do have one weight saving underway:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd_3y9pF4xv0U-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Seeing that I'm moving the battery to underneath the seat hump, I went for something smaller and lighter!

Don't know about 100k being the new ton, but it's good to have a goal to aim for (and surpass).

Crazy

Boy these Shorais are light. Received mine in the post today , almost felt like there was nothing in the box!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 09, 2013, 20:44:27
Checked the manual this morning and there is a service due at 150kms, for valve clearances and cam chain, which is out of my leauge. Local mechanic wants $330+ parts to do it.

Is it imperitive, or just wait until the 1000km mark?

I was going to change the oil arounmd 500kms, or should I do this earlier?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 10, 2013, 01:47:16
Checked the manual this morning and there is a service due at 150kms, for valve clearances and cam chain, which is out of my leauge. Local mechanic wants $330+ parts to do it.

Is it imperitive, or just wait until the 1000km mark?

I was going to change the oil arounmd 500kms, or should I do this earlier?

there is no cam chain, its a pushrod motor and you dont even need to take the tank off to get it done.. mine cost $38.80 at a shop to get done. i just said i want the clearance done on a two valve push rod motor and it dosnt use shims just screw nut adjusters.

changing oil is cheap , i do it every 600-700km as there is only 800ml of oil in the case.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 10, 2013, 01:53:33
there is no cam chain, its a pushrod motor and you dont even need to take the tank off to get it done.. mine cost $38.80 at a shop to get done. i just said i want the clearance done on a two valve push rod motor and it dosnt use shims just screw nut adjusters.

changing oil is cheap , i do it every 600-700km as there is only 800ml of oil in the case.

No worries, thanks for the advice, the local mechanic wanted $330 plus parts!!

I will go back to them...
Title: Re: the 'Ace'
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 10, 2013, 04:15:26
…  felt like there was nothing in the box!!

Also my reaction!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 10, 2013, 04:36:10
there is a service due …

I did the first change at about 150k and roughly at 500k intervals since.  Now that it's covered 3000k the interval will be extended.

Saving on oil is no saving!

After the first time, checking clearances takes less than half an hour.  Incorrectly adjusted tappets causes engine wear/damage and power loss.  If you require information on the procedure, let us know.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 10, 2013, 06:08:57
Oil/spark/air filter etc, that I can do... Opening her up and checking valves.... I dunno about that. What do you need to do at 150kms?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: kwando on Oct 10, 2013, 09:36:42
Looks like I'm going to place an order for this bad boy. Have received (kind of) permission from the boss ;).

How was the rego/rwc process for the bike? Out of interest, was it much of a hassle or costly for the RWC? Any recommendations for a good mechanic to look over it in Victoria would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Sean
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 10, 2013, 17:43:34
Opening her up and checking valves....

This is pretty much how it goes - info page 10, photo page 11.  If you need more, I'll take some photos next time I do it!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 10, 2013, 17:47:44
Have received (kind of) permission from the boss ;).

Anything other than a flat NO can be construed as approval!

Can't help with the rego information, perhaps one of the Mexican members can help.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 10, 2013, 18:51:17
Thanks buddy, will check it out and see if it's doable!

What oil do you use and where does one get it from? Super cheap etc?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 10, 2013, 19:03:55
I've been using Shell 20W-50.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 10, 2013, 19:17:36
I've been using Shell 20W-50.

Crazy

That just regular stuff that you would put in a car or is it special for bikes?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 10, 2013, 19:56:30
Just regular stuff - I'm not organised enough to get to the bike shop before I think of doing an oil change!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Erskine on Oct 10, 2013, 20:19:49
I did the first change at about 150k and roughly at 500k intervals since.  Now that it's covered 3000k the interval will be extended.

Saving on oil is no saving!

After the first time, checking clearances takes less than half an hour.  Incorrectly adjusted tappets causes engine wear/damage and power loss.  If you require information on the procedure, let us know.

Crazy

I'll second all this, it's a piece of piss to service these engines, they were designed to be serviced with a spoon and some brown paper, in the middle of a jungle in the dark, without a spoon, or any brown paper. The design is simplicity perfected, and no points to worry about either. Very frequent oil changes are defo order of the day and the engine will last forever. Their are fewer moving parts so friction is in concentrated in to fewer areas and the filtration is agricultural . Good quality clean oil and an engine flush every now and again works wonders.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 10, 2013, 20:20:59
Just regular stuff - I'm not organised enough to get to the bike shop before I think of doing an oil change!

Crazy

Works for me, 1 minute from my place is Repco and Shell servo :)

I'll do a change this weekend.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Just Dan on Oct 11, 2013, 07:37:57
It is a good thing to check the tappet clearance at 100 km as the user manual states. I seen a couple new ACE's now and they all seem to be shipped with no valve clearance at all.

Adjusting the vales might sound hard, You can download a PDF for a honda CG125 workshop manual. This explains with pics on how to do this. After you done it once, you wonder what the fuss was all about.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-rKC53CG/0/L/IMG_0978-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2674391843&k=rKC53CG&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 11, 2013, 08:48:27
Anyone know what this connector with a single wire is/was for ?

(just sitting on top of the indicator relay)

EDIT:: it appears to be a random earth

(http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/20131011_1040041.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Oct 11, 2013, 12:22:12
Well, great thread on a fairly simple, but fun bike.
I've looking at one of these on and off for the last year or so.
Showed the other half and she was like, wow looks cool, but no point in asking me permission, as you'll buy it anyway...

i think that was girl language for no... or maybe it was just buy it anyway you know you are going to... lol

damn, what to do, what to do...

I think I will wait until a proposition/project I have going is completed in the next month or so before making that decision, it might give me the brownie points I need to just get one.

Keep up the chatter, it all looks like use full info, and good fun .

cheers, stevo.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 11, 2013, 20:07:19

It is a good thing to check the tappet clearance at 100 km as the user manual states. I seen a couple new ACE's now and they all seem to be shipped with no valve clearance at all.

Adjusting the vales might sound hard, You can download a PDF for a honda CG125 workshop manual. This explains with pics on how to do this. After you done it once, you wonder what the fuss was all about.

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-rKC53CG/0/L/IMG_0978-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2674391843&k=rKC53CG&lb=1&s=A)

Do I need to buy a torque wrench for when I put the cover back on?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Just Dan on Oct 11, 2013, 21:38:45
Do I need to buy a torque wrench for when I put the cover back on?


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No is the simple answer. You can ruffly gauge how tight they need to be by feeling how hard they are to undo, Not much really,
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 11, 2013, 21:48:10
Just dont go over tight, a couple of people have snapped bolts doing them up
 (the steel is a bit weak) i snapped a seat bolt because the thread was tight.. another guy snapped the bolt holding the shift lever on.
normally i would do a quarter turn from the point where it contacts the head cover, but with the ace i would go about an eighth of a turn not a quarter
or you could replace the bolts with new ones of a better quailty
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 12, 2013, 05:17:03
Finally put the de-cluttered crankcase cover on yesterday:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdW4OIHcsn4DU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

a larger view:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcfhs33QvYRI0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Total weight saving over 2kg!
Yes, I did get carried away with the drill; speed holes make a bike go faster - right?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 12, 2013, 05:21:07
… you could replace the bolts with new ones of a better quality …

Don't forget to put anti-seize grease on any bolts going into alloy, especially stainless bolts.  It will save tears later!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 12, 2013, 05:21:32
looking good.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 12, 2013, 07:36:06
Finally put the de-cluttered crankcase cover on yesterday:



Total weight saving over 2kg!
Yes, I did get carried away with the drill; speed holes make a bike go faster - right?

Crazy

Looks good.How did you remove the Skyteam name?

Remind me, have you removed the rear mudguard or not?

I was surprised how heavy it was (will weigh it a little later)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 12, 2013, 14:31:14
rear mudguard & OEM light assembly=1.5kg
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 12, 2013, 17:31:09
How did you remove the Skyteam name?

Remind me, have you removed the rear mudguard or not?

File, 120/240/320 grit, Scotchbrite+WD40.

Rear guard stays - I have an aversion to skunk-stripes!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 12, 2013, 17:50:28
File, 120/240/320 grit, Scotchbrite+WD40.

Rear guard stays - I have an aversion to skunk-stripes!

Crazy

A well positioned reg plate should be just as effective and a lot lighter :)
(& yes I know there's a screw out form the sidepanel)

(http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SAM_0780.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource (Decal removal)
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 12, 2013, 18:22:38
How easy are the OEM SkyTeam decals to remove?

they don't appear to be lacquered over so would gentle application of heat & WD40 be enough to remove them?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 12, 2013, 18:26:58
A hair-dryer on low heat softens the adhesive enough for them to be peeled off without leaving a residue of glue.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 12, 2013, 18:29:49
A hair-dryer on low heat softens the adhesive enough for them to be peeled off without leaving a residue of glue.

Crazy

DO I look like I own a hair dryer ;o)

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 12, 2013, 18:33:05
Ha!

I might have somewhat more hair than yourself, but the hairdryer was purchased specifically for sticker removal.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 12, 2013, 18:54:43
I just pulled my decals straight off! Not a problem.

Just complete oil change, clutch adjustment and replaced rear brake lever. Totally different bike with the clutch adjusted!

Only problem I just realized I put the little filter at the oil plug in the wrong way around, looks like I'll have to drain it again!


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 13, 2013, 20:11:01
Neutral - I know its the age old trick, trying to find neutral but I'm finding it near on impossible!  And even when the little light comes on and I release the clutch its still in gear. Any advice appreciated!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 13, 2013, 20:33:25
The gearbox on my bike was quite my was quite 'notchy' until I got a few kilometers covered, but has improved considerably.

Something that may help in finding neutral is the following:

Come to a halt in first, holding the clutch in.
Change up to second, then give the gear lever gentle downward pressure.
Hold front brake while slowly releasing clutch.

I found the neutral indicator light to be unreliable so I have disconnected it.  I don't like being lied to by machinery!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 13, 2013, 20:56:31
The gearbox on my bike was quite my was quite 'notchy' until I got a few kilometers covered, but has improved considerably.

Something that may help in finding neutral is the following:

Come to a halt in first, holding the clutch in.
Change up to second, then give the gear lever gentle downward pressure.
Hold front brake while slowly releasing clutch.

I found the neutral indicator light to be unreliable so I have disconnected it.  I don't like being lied to by machinery!

Crazy

Cheers buddy, she does seem to get better and better with time.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource:: Don't overlook the obvious
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 13, 2013, 21:01:05
If your Ace wont fire then before spending 30-45 minutes trying to figure out what you broke whilst fiddling about check the kill switch  :-[

(in my defence my other bikes won't even turn over unless the kill switch is in the RUN position  ::))

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 13, 2013, 22:00:10
Had that happen over the first night that I had the bike.  Was running on the day I finished the bike, next morning got up to take her for a run and it would't turn over. One of the kids had hit the kill switch!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 14, 2013, 03:06:33
Had that happen over the first night that I had the bike.  Was running on the day I finished the bike, next morning got up to take her for a run and it would't turn over. One of the kids had hit the kill switch!

ok confused ???

My Ace will turn over with the Kill switch off but yours won't.

What about others here?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 14, 2013, 03:08:25
Nah sorry I meant to say it would turn over with the starter when the kids had played with it, just not start.  Did my head in.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Oct 14, 2013, 08:40:12
Finally put the de-cluttered crankcase cover on yesterday:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdW4OIHcsn4DU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

a larger view:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcfhs33QvYRI0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy

That really looks nice. Can you detail a bit more how you did it ?
Did you put something to protect the metal from rusting ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 14, 2013, 09:10:33
Alan - the bare aluminium is maintained by cleaning with a Scotchbrite pad and WD40.  It's quick to do, doesn't need re-doing very often, and leaves a brushed satin finish.

The starter gear housing was cut off with a Dremel and the remaining gap filled with Devcon F.  I can post photos later if you wish.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 15, 2013, 00:34:41
Muffler prep

Ok so I've barely had the damn thing a week, but I'd really like to look at the muffler and removing the cat.  Is it feasable to simply grind off the muffler after th 10cm-ish ppart where the cat is, bash the cat out and then attach a shiny new muffler without welding etc?  Or is there more to it?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 15, 2013, 00:42:16
Muffler prep

Ok so I've barely had the damn thing a week, but I'd really like to look at the muffler and removing the cat.  Is it feasable to simply grind off the muffler after th 10cm-ish ppart where the cat is, bash the cat out and then attach a shiny new muffler without welding etc?  Or is there more to it?

you can do it that way but make sure the muffler you get fits the header diameter and is long enough to go past the foot peg to keep up the right pressure etc in the exhaust.
or you can remove the CAT and then have the muffler welded back on for a few bucks at a repair or metalwork shop. the third option is to try to track down someone to make a stainless system, as the stock one rusts fairly easily, its a good idea to repaint the whole stock exhaust with good heat proof paint before the rust starts.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 15, 2013, 00:45:09
Thanks - I wasn't sure if the muffler is included in the fluid dynamic calculations, but seems it is.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 20, 2013, 19:17:28
Put the bar end mirrors on and boy what a difference it makes!  With the stock mirrors I could not see behind me at all because I am so broad, not a problem at all now!  And gave her a wash and its looking fantastic.  Next I'm thinking rejet/exhaust and fibreglass tape on the exhaust.


Here is a photo of my ride.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 21, 2013, 07:52:16
very artistically shot Sir :)

Not quite the same but I like it. At Cholmondeley Castle. yesterday

(http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/20131020_122559.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 21, 2013, 19:04:43
Not too many castles around my neck of the woods... so I'm impressed!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 22, 2013, 09:56:22
Not too many castles around my neck of the woods... so I'm impressed!

That was just the ledge house at the entrance :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 22, 2013, 19:12:32
oh... haha
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 22, 2013, 23:22:17
It's just as well they have those gates to keep the riff-raff out!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dragon Soaring on Oct 23, 2013, 12:22:42
Would a cb175 motor bolt up to the motor mounts?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 23, 2013, 13:55:46
Would a cb175 motor bolt up to the motor mounts?

WHy stopat a 175 pop a 250 in there which is pretty much what they've /are doing with the Swift


http://avavelocityworks.com/
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: jsharpphoto on Oct 23, 2013, 15:44:44
i don't really appreciate what AVA is doing.  They're promoting how much experience their designer has, implying that he had anything at all to do with the bike. 

I don't care if stuff is made in china, but i don't like it when people try and pass off it off as American ingenuity. 
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Rich Ard on Oct 23, 2013, 16:06:36
Makes for better copy than the reality of an off-the-shelf bike with new graphics :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dragon Soaring on Oct 23, 2013, 17:45:56
WHy stopat a 175 pop a 250 in there which is pretty much what they've /are doing with the Swift


http://avavelocityworks.com

I have one taking up space in my shop.  As I'm in the states it's not going to happen till they are sold here but I do want that tank!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 23, 2013, 18:12:27
i don't really appreciate what AVA is doing.  They're promoting how much experience their designer has, implying that he had anything at all to do with the bike. 

I don't care if stuff is made in china, but i don't like it when people try and pass off it off as American ingenuity.

He *may* have specified the paint jobs ;o)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 23, 2013, 18:13:15
Would a cb175 motor bolt up to the motor mounts?
pop a 250 in there

I can't see a CB being a good direction to go.  The 'Ace' motor is about as simple to work on as a four stroke can get and it should be  extremely reliable (as was the CG).

The Swift is pretty enough as a styling exercise, but I would be surprised if it went into any sort of production.  There is nothing in it that you couldn't do yourself.  The AVA promoter doesn't seem to have done anything about upgrading the brakes, which would lead to some interesting experiences.

I can't remember the exact quote, but Ben Bostrom said something like "the less horsepower a bike has, the more it can teach you".
Encapsulates the 'Ace' for me!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 23, 2013, 18:27:25
--8<--

 doesn't seem to have done anything about upgrading the brakes, which would lead to some interesting experiences.

--8<--


Hmm exactly how would you upgrade the brakes I wonder?

Try & source a larger disk, better pots & hydraulic resevoir for the front but the rear drum would be a problem. I imagine a rear disk conversion would be "difficult"

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 23, 2013, 18:31:32
It wouldn't be easy, so I guess that's why AVA didn't tackle it!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 24, 2013, 19:59:21
some of you may already have seen this ;o)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsQXc_hgMes


Also found a German company selling them with the 250 engine already in & TUV approved


http://x-atv.de/Zweiraeder-und-Zubehoer/SKyTEAM-Motors/SKyTEAM-250-ccm/SKyTEAM-ACE-250-Club-im-Retro-Look::1171.html

And even a 2 seater 250!!

http://suchen.mobile.de/motorrad-inserat/skyteam-ace-2-sitzer-250cc-sch%C3%B6neck/162848283.html
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 25, 2013, 02:33:24
If I cut off the muffler after the cat, dig the cat out... would one of these bolt straight on: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/360693493804?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I'm still waiting for my new vernier calipers to arrive!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: jarradschmarrad on Oct 25, 2013, 02:37:30
Chris,

That is exactly the same one i bought, and then bolted onto the pipe.

I found the CAT a pain to get out. Managed to work a flat blade down the side around it.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 25, 2013, 02:43:32
Awesome, I was planning on chisel/drilling/filing it out... hope it works...

Might be a Xmas gift to myself!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource :: Speed/RPM Stats [corrected]
Post by: mikeyw64 on Oct 25, 2013, 19:14:57
tyre size may be converted incorrectly. Original is 2.75-18

Redline is guess as not quoted
Max Torque/Power/Idle & ratios from handbook

I have saved it at http://woodsware.aciwebs.com/gears/ as SkyTeam Ace 125

Hmmm something looks skewy or is it just me??

EDIT: woke up ths morning & realise dmy mistake on the orignal

(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/602264_10151906626297200_1118057357_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Oct 28, 2013, 23:47:07
Had to come into the city later than normal today and took the freeway in... was suprised I could cruise on 100-105 (remember my bike is stock), until there was a hill or strong headwind of course!!  Was good to streach her legs....
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Oct 29, 2013, 01:15:03
Had to come into the city later than normal today and took the freeway in... was suprised I could cruise on 100-105 (remember my bike is stock), until there was a hill or strong headwind of course!!  Was good to streach her legs....
yep they will do it, and with just the exhaust mod i get 120kph
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: bdub on Oct 31, 2013, 03:13:18
Skyteam Ace Exhaust Internals you need to remove for a straight thru exhaust, ive also shortened the cone.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 31, 2013, 03:49:44
That CAT is a power killer!

Are you running without any silencing at all?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: bdub on Oct 31, 2013, 06:04:20
this is for a cb125 project, i dont have a st/ace, just a pipe for the time being before i make my custom one, so will just run a 35mm baffle maybe with some stainless wool, rest straight thru and weld the end cap with it back on. ive had good results with a emgo cone and same baffle on a stock header with new jetting, this one will be all sealed via welds with no leaks like the emgo.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Oct 31, 2013, 08:28:42
Hi Crazy,

I stumbled across this thread when I was looking online for information on cafe racers. I then done as much research as I could about the Skyteam Ace. I went to a local dealer who was advertising an Ace on Ebay, but he had already sold it  :( He said he would call me when he gets his next delivery. I have been looking at getting back into bikes as I have not owned one for 20 years. The Ace would be perfect for my short commute to work and the odd fun blast along some country roads. I like all the things that you have done to your bike and will certainly be using your experience as inspiration. I hope the dealer gets a bike in soon so that I can go and try one on for size.

Wayne

Are the owners of the 2 Ace's who purchased bikes from Trevor Pope motorcycles in Gosport on here?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 31, 2013, 09:09:09
G'day Wayne - bad luck missing out with your local dealer!

Maybe someone from your neck of the woods can chime in on this thread with information on English 'Ace' availability. Perhaps there is an importer over there who can supply bikes in a crate, as happens here in Oz. There is a considerable cost saving and they require less assembly than most Ik*a furniture.

Keep us posted on your progress.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 31, 2013, 09:13:51
this is for a cb125 project …

Now that you have dealt with the worst item on the 'Ace' you will have to get the rest of the bike to go with it!

Good luck with the CB, and let us know how the modified pipe turns out.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Oct 31, 2013, 10:59:52
G'day Wayne - bad luck missing out with your local dealer!

Maybe someone from your neck of the woods can chime in on this thread with information on English 'Ace' availability. Perhaps there is an importer over there who can supply bikes in a crate, as happens here in Oz. There is a considerable cost saving and they require less assembly than most Ik*a furniture.

Keep us posted on your progress.

Crazy

The dealer that I visited is only 15 miles away. He said he had sold 5. Only 2 have stayed local. He is due another 2 in stock soon and said he will call so I can go and take a look. I'm only 5ft 6 so I should fit on nicely. I have enjoyed reading your thread and this has helped make up my mind.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 31, 2013, 17:26:50
I should fit on nicely.

You're a good height for the 'Ace'!

That said, there are a couple of 6ft plus riders getting about happily.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 01, 2013, 01:27:45

That said, there are a couple of 6ft plus riders getting about happily.



Absolutely!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 01, 2013, 01:55:00
They're a deceptive little beast!

Height seems not to be much of a problem but chubbiness slows them down - I would like to lose a couple of kg myself, but I'm too fond of my tucker and the odd brewed beverage to go with it.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 01, 2013, 03:56:08
Whats the availability of parts like? When I search for Skyteam Ace on Ebay.co.uk there are only 25 results and most of them are for the complete bike. I have read as many reviews as I can by searching Google, and they are all pretty good. I think it is quite a lot of bike for the money. When I search Skyteam Ace forum, this thread is top of the list  :)

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 01, 2013, 04:04:01
Whats the availability of parts like? When I search for Skyteam Ace on Ebay.co.uk there are only 25 results and most of them are for the complete bike. I have read as many reviews as I can by searching Google, and they are all pretty good. I think it is quite a lot of bike for the money. When I search Skyteam Ace forum, this thread is top of the list  :)

Wayne

you can get nearly everything for the bike online here

http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/ace/ (http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/ace/)

and ooracing does go fast bits.

http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=224 (http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=224)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 01, 2013, 04:09:53
you can get nearly everything for the bike online here

http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/ace/ (http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/ace/)

and ooracing does go fast bits.

http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=224 (http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=224)

Thats great, thanks. Now I know this I think I will have to buy the Ace  ;D

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 01, 2013, 04:23:25
In addition, some Honda parts can be used!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 01, 2013, 04:35:33
I think it was a CG125 that I passed my test on 20 years ago. I recently went on holiday to Florence and the wife and I rented Vespas. Since I came back I have been looking at scooters (LML)., but after typing cafe racer into Ebay I came across the Ace. Since then I think I have read most things available including several threads on DTT.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 02, 2013, 08:48:03
Help! ive tried for 4 hours to get the cat out.  ive tried to run a blade around the cat and seem to have seperated most of it from the inside of the pipe, but i still cant get her out!!!  any tip/tricks/advise would be hugely appreciated.   :-\
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: bdub on Nov 03, 2013, 01:41:16
ci_mark, did u see my previous photo of my exhaust surgery? theres way more in there than just the header cat, the 2nd one in the baffle is over twice the size. the 1st cat on the header section before the muffler part has 2 rivits below and spot welds inside u have to remove. cutting it apart and about 5 hours of grinding/cuting/drilling and stomping a steel rod thrru the sections was the only way i could get everything out. heres the pic again, hope this helps.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 03, 2013, 03:52:39
Help! ive tried for 4 hours to get the cat out.  ive tried to run a blade around the cat and seem to have seperated most of it from the inside of the pipe, but i still cant get her out!!!  any tip/tricks/advise would be hugely appreciated.   :-\
Hi Mark,
c u havn't found a header supplier yet,
emailed a guy in Brisbane Friday he makes full polished systems
$480 :( way too pricey for the ace !
asked what he would charge for a unpolished header
hoping for a reply tomorrow?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 03, 2013, 04:00:44
Can anyone tell me the eye to eye size aftermarket shocks to fit
I measure 335mm but all I can find on ebay is 320mm or 340mm
The Ace 2-3 weeks old ,500 clicks on the clock and fitted new mirrors today
Pilot sporty tyres this week!
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 03, 2013, 04:48:43
ci_mark, did u see my previous photo of my exhaust surgery? theres way more in there than just the header cat, the 2nd one in the baffle is over twice the size. the 1st cat on the header section before the muffler part has 2 rivits below and spot welds inside u have to remove. cutting it apart and about 5 hours of grinding/cuting/drilling and stomping a steel rod thrru the sections was the only way i could get everything out. heres the pic again, hope this helps.

yes bdub i can see from your pic there is another one! but i was going to replace the muffler with a slip on...so i only need to get the first cat out.  its so hard. i must have spen about 4 hours using screw drivers, a knife, a butter knife (IKEA), a drill and pliers to try and yank it out but no dice.  ive seen people say it was hard, but this is just nuts.

aceitup: yeah the guy wont even return my calls now. sad. i'd be ok with the stock system if i could get the cat out. 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 03, 2013, 06:03:58
I've gone a different route in dealing with the CAT but I do have a suggestion.

Perhaps if you use a drill bit with a large diameter to drill down the centre of the cat it will give a void which might make it easier to use a screwdriver etc. to lever the remainder free.

Good luck!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Floegstad on Nov 03, 2013, 07:55:45
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/474392576/4_stroke_tricycle_engine.html?s=p
Chinese suplier of aftermarket "honda" engines.
Not much power in the 200ccm,but its way better in torque,have a similar one in my sons cart.
Works well.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 03, 2013, 20:02:30
I've gone a different route in dealing with the CAT but I do have a suggestion.

Perhaps if you use a drill bit with a large diameter to drill down the centre of the cat it will give a void which might make it easier to use a screwdriver etc. to lever the remainder free.

Good luck!

Crazy

That's what I was planning on doing.  Getting the HILTI hammer drill and a big bit into it. Otherwise I'm fucked.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 03, 2013, 23:05:56
That's what I was planning on doing.  Getting the HILTI hammer drill and a big bit into it. Otherwise I'm fucked.

yeah i tried that. the cat seems to solidify into a lump when i tried drilling.  i guess there is no easy way.  ill just keep at it.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 04, 2013, 03:49:49
Materials for a battery tray and some other bits:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUewjNrVoNwGak-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 04, 2013, 06:26:27
OK ,it's all your fault !  ;)

Just bought myself an Ace , can't wait to get my hands on it , already have an idea of mods to come , megaphone exhaust, electronic tacho , re jet , clip ons or ace bars , +1 on GB sprocket etc .

Been lurking for a while , I've experience of Chinese bikes and 125s recently - have been riding a long time but enjoying the tiddlers now ..... Just rode my Lexmoto Arrow to Spain and left it there so have a space in my garage.

Wife saw me looking at Google images of the Ace over a few days and sort of gave permission .....well "looks classic" sounded like approval to me .

Anyone in the UK looking for one , a dealer near Peterborough stil has one - price over the phone was £1700 inc on the road charges .http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321233498279?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Think I might be the tallest owner of one yet , lets hope I fit !

Thanks for the inspiration , will update when I get my hands on it .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 04, 2013, 06:38:08
OK ,it's all your fault !

We'll accept the blame! (After all Oz is on the other side of the planet)

"looks classic"

Sounds like approval to me!

Think I might be the tallest owner of one yet , lets hope I fit !

A couple of the guys on this thread are six foot plus.

Keep us posted on your experiences.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 04, 2013, 06:45:10
Hi Crazy thanks for confirming that's what my wife meant     "looks classic" Sounds like approval to me!  ;)

TBH she just accepts bikes come and go , if they were all the same colour she wouldnt even notice !

Good info on here and I appreciate it being shared , hope to add stuff once I get my bike .

oooh , decals too ! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-HONDA-DREAM-50-SKYTEAM-ACE-125-FULL-DECAL-STICKER-SET-CAFE-RACER-VINTAGE-/291006675264?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43c1597940
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: HerbertD on Nov 04, 2013, 07:02:23
Had mine since Dec 2012 and now done 1600 miles & I'm over 6"3" & 103kg (16 stone!)
Really enjoying it - but looking for the 150cc engine upgrade and possibly a replica Honda full fairing.
[pic]http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y422/herbertd49/P6150016_zps01267814.jpg[/pic]
[pic]http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y422/herbertd49/P7240007_zpsc730916b.jpg[/pic]
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 04, 2013, 07:08:45
HerbertD - your (photo) bucket seems to have a hole in it!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 04, 2013, 08:17:28
Good to hear you fit ok HerbertD - I am 6'5" but only 90kg so should be fine  :D

Like the rear shocks in the pics , think I will need to change those too , can see the "shopping list" getting longer !
TRX looks huge by comparison ! - I've owned a couple of them too . Watched your video - exhaust sounds just right - is that the Skyteam replacement ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: HerbertD on Nov 04, 2013, 08:23:03
The Yammy TRX feels abit of a beast after riding the Ace! Mind you, its the Ace that gets all the attention!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: HerbertD on Nov 04, 2013, 08:26:07
Meant to say that the chrome exhaust is the official Skyteam replacement sports exhaust - Sounds much better, and increases the performance nicely - Saves having to mess around cutting out the Cat from the std. exhaust which seems a popular past-time for most Ace owners!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 04, 2013, 08:34:22
OK , thanks , to keep the initial cost down I might go for the cutting option with a megaphone first though .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 04, 2013, 17:04:05
OK ,it's all your fault !  ;)

Just bought myself an Ace , can't wait to get my hands on it , already have an idea of mods to come , megaphone exhaust, electronic tacho , re jet , clip ons or ace bars , +1 on GB sprocket etc .

Been lurking for a while , I've experience of Chinese bikes and 125s recently - have been riding a long time but enjoying the tiddlers now ..... Just rode my Lexmoto Arrow to Spain and left it there so have a space in my garage.

Wife saw me looking at Google images of the Ace over a few days and sort of gave permission .....well "looks classic" sounded like approval to me .

Anyone in the UK looking for one , a dealer near Peterborough stil has one - price over the phone was £1700 inc on the road charges .http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321233498279?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Think I might be the tallest owner of one yet , lets hope I fit !

Thanks for the inspiration , will update when I get my hands on it .

Hi There Bojer , whereabouts are you?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 04, 2013, 18:03:37
Sorry, should have said , I'm near Bedford in the UK - 50 miles North of London .

Hoping for the bike to be delivered to me, assembled and registered next week , all paid for now  :D

Jets bought , main and idle , bar end mirrors bought.........
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 04, 2013, 18:11:21
Sorry, should have said , I'm near Bedford in the UK - 50 miles North of London .

Hoping for the bike to be delivered to me, assembled and registered next week , all paid for now  :D

Jets bought , main and idle , bar end mirrors bought.........

Used to live in Aylesbury before I moved up here.

Bought mine from my mates Jonno @ Mick Surmans in Aylesbury
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Nov 05, 2013, 23:48:23
Hi Guys

I'm new here and base in HK, love all the works and informations at this place.  Absolutely helpful.

Just ordered my ACE 125 through the dealer in HK and should be arriving in 6 weeks time, there is no way you can get it shipped without a dealer and niehter with all the tools and garage like you guys to have it putting it all together by yourself.

There isn't many informations or parts that I can source in HK locally for ACE 125, so I have to look from overseas like Aus or UK.  I will be greatly appreciated if I can get some more informations from all of you.

Just a few question to start with: (I'm completely a bike and mechanic retard)

1. What's the reasons of getting rid of the EGR ? (Planning to get Ooracing stage 1 kit)
2. For the S/S braided brake cable, will the Ooracing one works ? or Hel custom made one still the best one, and what info do i need to give them? (Hel got back to me just last night saying that they need more informations about the bike before they can custom made one for me.)
3. Is there a good built straight through exhaust that I can get from ebay/online with good price that will replace the stock one all in one go ?  (just afraid the local mechanic here in HK will not bother spending the time to saw through the exhaust, and remove the CAT for me even that I pay them to do.

sorry for all these questions....looking forward to get some answers though..

joseph
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 06, 2013, 06:33:09
Hi Guys

I'm new here and base in HK, love all the works and informations at this place.  Absolutely helpful.

Just ordered my ACE 125 through the dealer in HK and should be arriving in 6 weeks time, there is no way you can get it shipped without a dealer and niehter with all the tools and garage like you guys to have it putting it all together by yourself.

There isn't many informations or parts that I can source in HK locally for ACE 125, so I have to look from overseas like Aus or UK.  I will be greatly appreciated if I can get some more informations from all of you.

Just a few question to start with: (I'm completely a bike and mechanic retard)

1. What's the reasons of getting rid of the EGR ? (Planning to get Ooracing stage 1 kit)
2. For the S/S braided brake cable, will the Ooracing one works ? or Hel custom made one still the best one, and what info do i need to give them? (Hel got back to me just last night saying that they need more informations about the bike before they can custom made one for me.)
3. Is there a good built straight through exhaust that I can get from ebay/online with good price that will replace the stock one all in one go ?  (just afraid the local mechanic here in HK will not bother spending the time to saw through the exhaust, and remove the CAT for me even that I pay them to do.

sorry for all these questions....looking forward to get some answers though..

joseph
1.I'm no mechanic!
but it ain't there to enhance ur ride  >:(
at best its ugly
test urself and grind up a bit of alley and spread a bit of gasket goo  :o
2.Not sure about the need for the braided cable yet?
but front shocks on mine dive big time when I
squeeze ? for me that feels sh#t? I'd say wait n see how yours feels :P
3.not sure u want straight thru ? DRag pipe syndrome?
(google that)
from what I've read they like a little back pressure
Shipping kills any options with exhaust for me at the mo  :'(
$500.00 all up on a $1800 bike ?
and REALLY its the journey
not the destination
Guess, I just told myself to learn how to weld hey?
Damn CAT!
oh yeah ! go the iridium plug too
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2013, 07:10:47
...looking forward to get some answers though..

Welcome aboard!

The EGR does nothing for engine efficiency or fuel consumption, especially when it gets clogged with carbon deposits. As ACEitup says, it's an ugly add-on that does nothing to enhance the bike.

The Earl's brake lines from OORacing should be fine; I had a custom line made because of the low position of my clip-ons. Braided cable and EBC brake pads (FA165HH) make an appreciable difference to stopping power.

There is no easy answer to the exhaust system problem. Various solutions have been used by participants to this thread, none of them easy and cheap. What you do will depend on the skills you have and what help you can obtain locally.

And I can confirm the value of Iridium Spark plugs.

Crazy
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Nov 06, 2013, 08:14:36
Thanks man.  Much appreciated about the inputs !!

: )

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Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Nov 06, 2013, 12:50:55
What shaft size of the front sprockets should i be getting if i want +1 (17 T)to replace the stock one? Is it 17mm or 20mm ?

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 06, 2013, 14:20:26
Is it 16T as stock then ? was expecting it to be 15T - good job I hadn't bought a sprocket yet !

JTF259 is "standard" fit on the CG/CB clones , 20mm O/D on the shaft ,18mm inside the smallest part of the sprocket with 4mm wide splines .

Good site here : http://www.jtsprockets.com/catalogue/sprocket/JTF259-17
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 06, 2013, 14:36:26
Is it 16T as stock then ? was expecting it to be 15T - good job I hadn't bought a sprocket yet !

JTF259 is "standard" fit on the CG/CB clones , 20mm O/D on the shaft ,18mm inside the smallest part of the sprocket with 4mm wide splines .

Good site here : http://www.jtsprockets.com/catalogue/sprocket/JTF259-17

no im pretty sure stock is 15 for the front, with a 38 rear sprocket.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2013, 16:44:59
no im pretty sure stock is 15 for the front, with a 38 rear sprocket.

Definitely!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Nov 06, 2013, 20:30:15
Hi guys,

I have been reading this forum for a while (thanks for a great source of valuable information btw) and finally decided to commit and order an Ace for myself as well.

It is going to be my first bike and I can't wait to take it for a spin. Always wanted a motorcycle and always liked those cool cafe racers, so when I saw this beauty for $3000 that was it! Just stoked!

It is coming next week and I am thinking what mods do I have to do. The thing is that I want to commute on the bike and on my way to work there is this long ascending road where everybody goes 80-90 kilometers per hour, so I am a bit worried how would the standard Ace hold up. What are the parts that definitely need replacement?

What would you recommend to replace first? Please bare in mind that I don't have any experience in motorcycle repairs/rebuilds nor proper equipment. I have always been quite mechanically skilled though and have a friend who is willing to help with more difficult tasks.

Thanks for your advise/feedback!

Thomas

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2013, 21:00:07
What are the parts that definitely need replacement?

Good to see another 'Ace' owner!

The 80-90k is quite achievable after the motor is run-in. For performance you will need to do something about the dreaded CAT, remove the EGR, and re-jet the carb. Other improvements might help the horsepower but the above changes constitute an achievable minimum.

Are you from Oz? You didn't mention it in your profile.

Keep us posted!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 06, 2013, 21:12:22
^^ agree with crazy.
the other weak points is the brakes, good idea to get upgraded pads for the front
and new brake fluid and the front forks dive really hard under brakes, ooracing sell a fork upgrade pack, includes spacers and oil.
also if you look at how the headlight mounts you will see two bolts under the light, these have fallen out on several aces so get some split spring washers and put them on.
 here is ooracings ace parts, they have all the bits you will need.
(except a way to remove the CAT)

http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=224
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2013, 21:37:52
look at how the headlight mounts …

I thought the headlight problem was just an isolated mishap!

Fortunately only one of mine fell completely out, the other one was loose but it enabled me to make it home (It wasn't far, and daytime).

Definitely a good idea for everyone to check it on their new bikes.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 06, 2013, 21:52:57
Will definitely do that tonight!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Nov 06, 2013, 22:53:02
Thanks for quick answers, much appreciated guys!

Are you from Oz? You didn't mention it in your profile.

Well I live on the Northern beaches of Sydney, but I ain't no Aussie;-)

On a more serious note you suggest OORacing stage 1 tune up kit and get rid of the CAT, right? Does the kit contain an instruction manual (ideally Ikea style with pictures for idiots)? I also chose this muffler: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MUFFLER-UNIVERSAL-REVERSE-CONE-SHORT-LEFT-RIGHT-CAFE-RACER-NORTON-/360693493804?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53fb01f02c but I am not sure where to cut the pipe...

Thanks again,

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 06, 2013, 23:06:47

but I am not sure where to cut the pipe...

Thanks again,

Thomas

ive added a image of where to cut the pipe, the cat convertor is the slightly thicker piece at the base of the header before the muffler, when you cut it you will see inside a platinum honeycomb that needs to removed but it seems its hard to do, best bet , put it in a vice and drill it out with the biggest drill bit you have, take it slow and steady .
you dont need the whole of the ooracing kit unless you want to get it all, you can make do just getting the jets , the blanking plate and a front sprocket with 17 teeth, then you dont need to shorten the chain, which you need to do if you change the rear to a smaller one.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Nov 06, 2013, 23:31:54
Thanks @sprocket2cog you're a legend!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2013, 23:31:58
I live on the Northern beaches …

I'm a denizen of the inner west; we will have to have a SinCity 'Ace' gathering sometime soon.

sprocket2cog is on the button! You need to keep as much header length as possible so as not to lose power. The muffler you're getting is some 5" shorter than the original so the less length lost off the header the better.  Drilling the CAT out is a pain but losing the length really hurts the power.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 07, 2013, 00:08:21
I'm a denizen of the inner west; we will have to have a SinCity 'Ace' gathering sometime soon.

sprocket2cog is on the button! You need to keep as much header length as possible so as not to loose power. The muffler you're getting is some 5" shorter than the original so the less length lost off the header the better.  Drilling the CAT out is a pain but losing the length really hurts the power.

Crazy

Crazy I'm from the shire but currently working in Glebe
Sounds like there could be a flush of Aces around ;D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Nov 07, 2013, 00:08:37
we will have to have a SinCity 'Ace' gathering sometime soon.
Crazy

That's for sure, I just need to learn not to stall at lights, otherwise I would be an embarrassment for the gang :D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 07, 2013, 01:21:38
You need to keep as much header length as possible so as not to loose power. ..

Crazy

heres what im running on mine atm, 38mm stainless  header (which is no longer being made) and a turbo muffler, its actually a longer header and overall its longer then a stock system, it added nearly 10kph to the top speed with out any other mods.  crazy is dead on , if you can find someone to weld a length of header where you cut it to make it longer it would help keep the power up
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 07, 2013, 02:20:01
This thread is a great resource. Thanks to StrokerCrazy and Sprocket2cog. I still have not seen one in the flesh  :( I hope to see one this weekend.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 07, 2013, 03:19:57
I'm from the shire …

I'm in Glebe - send me a PM and maybe we can arrange a meet-up.

learn not to stall at lights, …

The world would be so astonished at seeing a flush* of 'Aces' they probably wouldn't notice that one of them had stalled!

*thanks to ACEitup (I think?)

I hope to see one this weekend.

Good luck Wayne!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 07, 2013, 03:50:20
That's for sure, I just need to learn not to stall at lights, otherwise I would be an embarrassment for the gang :D
Haha, I've got the L's on too!
But I'd be blaming the egr :-[
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 07, 2013, 04:49:37
heres what im running on mine atm, 38mm stainless  header (which is no longer being made) and a turbo muffler, its actually a longer header and overall its longer then a stock system, it added nearly 10kph to the top speed with out any other mods.  crazy is dead on , if you can find someone to weld a length of header where you cut it to make it longer it would help keep the power up
Sprocket,
I think I have pipe envy!  :P
ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Erskine on Nov 08, 2013, 08:34:18
heres what im running on mine atm, 38mm stainless  header (which is no longer being made) and a turbo muffler, its actually a longer header and overall its longer then a stock system, it added nearly 10kph to the top speed with out any other mods.  crazy is dead on , if you can find someone to weld a length of header where you cut it to make it longer it would help keep the power up

I bet that system would really rock at 150cc.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Rich Ard on Nov 08, 2013, 10:00:32

The world would be so astonished at seeing a flush* of 'Aces' they probably wouldn't notice that one of them had stalled!

*thanks to ACEitup (I think?)


GROAN
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 08, 2013, 11:40:37
Greetings ace owners,
first time poster here. have just put 95kms on the clock of my shiny new ace 125
time to catch up with you guys in development . i am enjoying riding this bike stock but am looking forward to many improvements over the next few months.
are the jets for the stock carby for mikuni or kehin???
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: bdub on Nov 09, 2013, 00:43:55
hey crazy here is the finished pipe cb125 conversion, header was ported and shortened plus a 5mm spacer added for the mount, muffler gutted, shortened and 4inch 35mm baffle installed, custom bottom mount then all welded. fair bit of work for a pipe that was advertised as a bolt on for a cb125. it sounds good and is louder than i expected.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: bdub on Nov 09, 2013, 00:44:49
header and baffle.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 09, 2013, 07:54:53
I finally got to see my first Ace yesterday and it fits me like a glove  ;D
All I need to do now is find a dealer who will do me a good deal.


Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 10, 2013, 00:27:00
cb125 conversion …

That took some serious effort!

it fits me like a glove …

One size fits all!

Good luck with a dealer.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 10, 2013, 00:43:50
Just upgraded the front brake master cylinder with a nissin unit from a 96 CB250 nighthawk i had on an old bike it was plug and play, the stock hose and brake light switch connectors went on with out a hitch.
its a little harder on the feel but it  added about  40% extra braking force to the front with out any other changes, except new brake fluid.
(excuse the stripped screw, PO hacked it, getting new ones tommorow)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 10, 2013, 00:59:07
Just upgraded the front brake master cylinder …

I've been looking out for a new master, partly because of clearance issues with my clip-ons. I would like a small remote reservoir unit but I haven't found anything suitable yet. Has anyone any suggestions?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 10, 2013, 01:07:48
I've been looking out for a new master, partly because of clearance issues with my clip-ons. I would like a small remote reservoir unit but I haven't found anything suitable yet. Has anyone any suggestions?

Crazy
maybe something like this set, cable clutch and remote reservoir master cylinder.one of the other guys found it the other day.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350750487743 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350750487743)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Nov 10, 2013, 01:31:32
completed a 2 rides in the last week. Now up to 150km on the ace125.
Popped the lid off and checked the valve clearance: Exhaust 0.003 and inlet 0.0025 was still abit warm though after a 60km ride. I will have to check it again tomorrow.

get plenty of thumbs up from fellas stuck in their vehicles lol. Expecially with my leather wraped helmet and goggles on LOL :-)

Many fun times to be had, and I am holding off to modding the engine until it's had a good 500km on it. I don't mind the current power (or lack of).

I have an FJ1200 & TRX850 for power fun.

Things I'll do:
remove the exhaust - pack it up.
Get a pipe guy in town to bend me a stainless header up, and purchase a stainless exhaust (should be lighter)
remove the emissions thingy and put the plate in.
some new jets
new front sproket
better bars - more forward and lower
bar end mirrors
new tyres

Thats probably about it.

possibly:
remove electric start
rear mudguard
new smaller brake light & numberplate locator.

Hopefully by this time we will have done away with Rego stickers all together and only need the number plate for identification.

Cheers, S.

Image below is not showing - thought I would link drop box image, but nevermind.

have a look here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9abs0jf592djlg/ace.jpg

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9abs0jf592djlg/ace.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 10, 2013, 03:23:13
maybe something like this …

Thanks for the link - they appear to be disinclined to post to Australia, however I am trying to work around that.

I am holding off to modding the engine …

They sure are fun to ride!

I use a hard run-in but mine was nowhere near run-in at 500k. Where are you based Steve?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 10, 2013, 03:28:02
crazy, i searched ebay  australia for universal front brake and found a few posting to oz, and they are cheaper
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7-8-Black-Left-Right-Universal-Front-Brakes-Master-Cylinders-Adjust-Levers-/400536733264?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d41d98650&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7-8-Black-Left-Right-Universal-Front-Brakes-Master-Cylinders-Adjust-Levers-/400536733264?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d41d98650&_uhb=1)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 10, 2013, 03:52:42
Sprocket2cog - you're a whiz!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 10, 2013, 04:13:01
completed a 2 rides in the last week. Now up to 150km on the ace125.
Popped the lid off and checked the valve clearance: Exhaust 0.003 and inlet 0.0025 was still abit warm though after a 60km ride. I will have to check it again tomorrow.

get plenty of thumbs up from fellas stuck in their vehicles lol. Expecially with my leather wraped helmet and goggles on LOL :-)

Many fun times to be had, and I am holding off to modding the engine until it's had a good 500km on it. I don't mind the current power (or lack of).

I have an FJ1200 & TRX850 for power fun.

Things I'll do:
remove the exhaust - pack it up.
Get a pipe guy in town to bend me a stainless header up, and purchase a stainless exhaust (should be lighter)
remove the emissions thingy and put the plate in.
some new jets
new front sproket
better bars - more forward and lower
bar end mirrors
new tyres

Thats probably about it.

possibly:
remove electric start
rear mudguard
new smaller brake light & numberplate locator.

Hopefully by this time we will have done away with Rego stickers all together and only need the number plate for identification.

Cheers, S.

Image below is not showing - thought I would link drop box image, but nevermind.

have a look here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9abs0jf592djlg/ace.jpg

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9abs0jf592djlg/ace.jpg)
Hi Stevo,
Definatley fun bike,
700k's on mine and still improving :D
Where r u located?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Nov 10, 2013, 10:12:03
hey guys, u might find this information useful when it comes down to the on going mods.

Since my Ace is only arriving in about 6 weeks time, so I have been searching/sourcing parts and mods to be done and estimate cost as well.  AND just look at what I have just found from this Taiwan motorcycle manufacturer "Hartford" HD 125 A.K.A My Dream 125, looks like they have a exact replica of Skyteam Ace 125 but with rear DISC break, EFI and two seater.  Not sure if you guys in Aus has any dealer who deals Hartford from Taiwan.

I'm sure it is originated from Skyteam and Hartford just mods it further, (assumption made base on the related news dates).


Look under this web-site for product specification:

http://www.hartford-motors.com.tw/hartford_en/product.php?id=7#two

according to their spec, My Dream 1930mm*675mm*970mm when compare to Ace 1910mm*680mm*990mm, i think most parts are exchangeable.

and interesting enough that they have their online store which you can order exact parts from them, i.e. DISC brake ect.ect,  Just written them a email if they will do overseas parts order request, since I'm in HK, it might be too hard for them to say no, but will wait for their reply.

sorry for my poor grammar when it comes down to long paragraphs.

cheers
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Nov 10, 2013, 10:15:39
just some more pic

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 10, 2013, 11:39:14
Mmm , look like alloy rims too ? Good for parts but prefer the Ace  ;)
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Nov 10, 2013, 12:23:11
I will say the same too !

Sent from my IM-A880S using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 10, 2013, 16:38:51
I have just found from this Taiwan …

Good find!

Let us know if you get a reply to your email. There doesn't appear to be an Australian distributor, and I am definitely interested in the rear disc brake. (Your grammar is good)

look like alloy rims too ?

They say further on that the rims are steel, and I prefer the 18" size on the 'Ace'.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Nov 10, 2013, 16:54:41
I tried posting yesterday, but it got eaten by the internet gremlins.

I'm located in Mackay, queensland.

also if their are any aussies who know what replacement tyres to get as my front tyre is crap. it's out of round and you can see the beading not quite the same all around, so I assume the tyre is cheap and nasty and can't be fixed.

best tyres i have seen is a set of contigo's with a nice modern tread pattern for $180aud delivered from EU.

anything local?

cheers, stevo

Sent from my XT925 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 10, 2013, 17:54:25

They say further on that the rims are steel, and I prefer the 18" size on the 'Ace'.

The 17" wheels look too small for the front mudguard , looks like their spec sheet generally needs work :
Total Exhaust Volume (C.C.)    149 c.c.
Rear Brake     Drum

Almost looks like a conversion job on the rear disc - still has the drum brake light switch etc
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 10, 2013, 17:55:51
Just Dan fitted Michelin Pilot Sporty 90/90-18 rear, and 2.75-18 front; they would probably be available from a bikeshop up your way.You can check them out back on page 13.

Perhaps your front tyre doesn't have the bead seated correctly? I'm still using the original tyres on mine and have had no problems.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 10, 2013, 18:06:07
their spec sheet generally needs work …

The whole website is clunky - conflicting facts, different cosmetic parts in different photos. It will be interesting to see what response josephau gets.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 10, 2013, 19:43:30
I tried posting yesterday, but it got eaten by the internet gremlins.

I'm located in Mackay, queensland.

also if their are any aussies who know what replacement tyres to get as my front tyre is crap. it's out of round and you can see the beading not quite the same all around, so I assume the tyre is cheap and nasty and can't be fixed.

best tyres i have seen is a set of contigo's with a nice modern tread pattern for $180aud delivered from EU.


cheers, stevo

Sent from my XT925 using Tapatalk
I got the michelin pilot sporty like Dan
But had to get them thru Tassy distributer
As nsw distributor doesn't  bring the front in
$ 55 front & 77 I think for the rear
Let me know if u can find Someone to bend you a header
No one interested around here , that I can find
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: bdub on Nov 11, 2013, 00:36:19
message me if you are after a custom header made, here is an example of a slightly longer header for another project but the same bend as skyteam ace header.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 11, 2013, 01:12:01
assistance required again!  i have since chopped off the cat area of the exhaust and had a length of pipe welded on and attached my muffler.  sprocket2cog, it is the same one you have and it is extremely loud!  any advise on getting it quieter wold be appreciated...or i might just have to change the muffler entirely.

thanks all.

also, i might be keen on getting a new header if the  price is right.  i failed in organising one before.  mad me sad.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 11, 2013, 01:26:49
... sprocket2cog, it is the same one you have and it is extremely loud!

yeah i wasn't exaggerating  when i said that muffler was loud :D there isnt much you can do to the muffler, it has a baffle but no fibreglass sound deadening .   
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 11, 2013, 01:28:50
hey guys, u might find this information useful when it comes down to the on going mods.

Since my Ace is only arriving in about 6 weeks time, so I have been searching/sourcing parts and mods to be done and estimate cost as well.  AND just look at what I have just found from this Taiwan motorcycle manufacturer "Hartford" HD 125 A.K.A My Dream 125, looks like they have a exact replica of Skyteam Ace 125 but with rear DISC break, EFI and two seater.  Not sure if you guys in Aus has any dealer who deals Hartford from Taiwan.

I'm sure it is originated from Skyteam and Hartford just mods it further, (assumption made base on the related news dates).


Look under this web-site for product specification:

http://www.hartford-motors.com.tw/hartford_en/product.php?id=7#two

according to their spec, My Dream 1930mm*675mm*970mm when compare to Ace 1910mm*680mm*990mm, i think most parts are exchangeable.

and interesting enough that they have their online store which you can order exact parts from them, i.e. DISC brake ect.ect,  Just written them a email if they will do overseas parts order request, since I'm in HK, it might be too hard for them to say no, but will wait for their reply.

sorry for my poor grammar when it comes down to long paragraphs.

cheers


woah. i love it. rear discs!  yeah i wouldnt mind getting some of those goodies too.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 11, 2013, 02:49:37
yeah i wasn't exaggerating  when i said that muffler was loud :D there isnt much you can do to the muffler, it has a baffle but no fibreglass sound deadening .

i was looking at your clip on youtube. it didnt sound that loud. its super loud in real life.  your dog didnt seem too bothered by it!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 11, 2013, 02:57:10

also if their are any aussies who know what replacement tyres to get as my front tyre is crap. it's out of round and you can see the beading not quite the same all around, so I assume the tyre is cheap and nasty and can't be fixed.

best tyres i have seen is a set of contigo's with a nice modern tread pattern for $180aud delivered from EU.

anything local?


the m45 tyres come in sizes to fit the ace, good price and should be easier to get in to a store near you. i know the local bike store near me can get them and im out in the country
http://motorcycle.michelin.com.au/twproduct/findProduct/moreProduct/20
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 11, 2013, 02:59:07
i was looking at your clip on youtube. it didnt sound that loud. its super loud in real life.  your dog didnt seem too bothered by it!

the dogs fairly used to it now. Yeah the youtube clip didnt come across loud, i normally clutch the bike to go past cop cars so it isnt too loud as i pass them. :P
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 11, 2013, 09:33:50
I have an m45 on the front of another bike.  Happy with it and not too expensive . will be putting these on my ace in a few weeks.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 11, 2013, 09:35:23
btw... based in Adelaide South Australia.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Nov 11, 2013, 10:49:03
updates from Hartford,

not too sure about their built quality of their bikes, but customer services are fairly reasonable.  They got back to me, fairly promising that their parts are interchangeable with ACE 125.  And referred me to their local dealer in HK regarding the parts needed for ACE 125 rear brake from their My Dream 125, gonna call them in the next day or two to find out the costs of parts +/- labour cost.

Will keep you guys posted.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 11, 2013, 14:42:10
Phew bit of catching up to do here


I thought the headlight problem was just an isolated mishap!

Fortunately only one of mine fell completely out, the other one was loose but it enabled me to make it home (It wasn't far, and daytime).

Definitely a good idea for everyone to check it on their new bikes.

Crazy
I lost one of mine as well



Just upgraded the front brake master cylinder with a nissin unit from a 96 CB250 nighthawk i had on an old bike it was plug and play, the stock hose and brake light switch connectors went on with out a hitch.
its a little harder on the feel but it  added about  40% extra braking force to the front with out any other changes, except new brake fluid.
(excuse the stripped screw, PO hacked it, getting new ones tommorow)


Yup thats pretty much the same as fitted as standard on my UK ACe


maybe something like this set, cable clutch and remote reservoir master cylinder.one of the other guys found it the other day.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350750487743 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350750487743)


Also available in other colours and theyve confimed via email includes microswitches both sides


updates from Hartford,

not too sure about their built quality of their bikes, but customer services are fairly reasonable.  They got back to me, fairly promising that their parts are interchangeable with ACE 125.  And referred me to their local dealer in HK regarding the parts needed for ACE 125 rear brake from their My Dream 125, gonna call them in the next day or two to find out the costs of parts +/- labour cost.

Will keep you guys posted.


Having just crash tested Jessica (T boned a car at between 5-10mph) I can attest they are tough cookies.

As shes new will be claiming for new forks & wheel plus a tank & indicator off the other driver but I was able to ride her home

Play spot the damage
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1396963_10151943500222200_2105811861_o.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/52086_10151943500327200_1377192553_o.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1412369_10151943500737200_672945631_o.jpg)


woah. i love it. rear discs!  yeah i wouldnt mind getting some of those goodies too.

I'm pondering a rear disc conversion but was looking at this

http://www.chinesemotorcyclepartsonline.co.uk/partno_MRW036.php

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/994370_10151946148452200_1138590303_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Erskine on Nov 11, 2013, 15:45:32
Fairing positioned roughly.
Some things good, some things bad.
Good things are that the current handlebars etc. fit perfectly and nothing hits lock-to-lock.  Screen allows me to tuck right down to try and pick up a little more speed.
Really the only bad thing is I will have to replace everything adjacent to the crankcase and exhaust pipe, but I expected that.

(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdyG7LWfhWahk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy

Now THATS more like it. Sweeeet.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 13, 2013, 01:13:21
blast on the ace though the back valley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MetecY6hOBA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MetecY6hOBA)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 13, 2013, 02:01:27
[


Having just crash tested Jessica (T boned a car at between 5-10mph) I can attest they are tough cookies.

As shes new will be claiming for new forks & wheel plus a tank & indicator off the other driver but I was able to ride her home

Sorry to hear about Jessica, I hope you get her back to 100% soon.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 13, 2013, 03:25:26
blast on the ace …

Good fun!

I'm aiming for Glebe to Mittagong and back via the back roads tomorrow (if the weather gods are kind!).

Crazy

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 13, 2013, 05:01:00
blast on the ace though the back valley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MetecY6hOBA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MetecY6hOBA)
Awesome 17 odd minutes, 90 plus cars going the other way and you only saw the tails lights of 2!
What a great run, Jealous  :P
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 13, 2013, 05:02:49
Good fun!

I'm aiming for Glebe to Mittagong and back via the back roads tomorrow (if the weather gods are kind!).

Crazy
Don't wear that thing out!
c u back at Glebe
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 13, 2013, 16:07:22
Once I get Jessica back will be hooking my GoPro up and weather permitting be taking her for a spin along one of my favourite local roads, the Cat & Fiddle. Reputedly Britains most dangerous road fro bikers.


This was earlier this year on my Blackbird


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37KaVHaMe0
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 13, 2013, 17:18:47
Fork Oil Question:


Anyone know the correct capacity for the front forks?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 13, 2013, 19:04:23
Fork Oil Question:

Anyone know the correct capacity for the front forks?

I ordered the fork upgrade kit from OORacing including two 110ml 30W Silkolene weight oil bottles and two 2.54 cm spacers. So this is the correct capacity coz I guess they know what they are doing.

I have a question too, mainly for those who put the 150cxc big bore kit:
- Is the ooracing kit the same product you can find on ebay from different (mainly chinese) sellers ?
for instance:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150cc-BARREL-PISTON-KIT-for-Chinese-125cc-CG125-copies-Motorcycle-New-/150891831683?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2321daa183
and
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-Stock-NEW-150cc-Big-Bore-Cylinder-Head-For-CG125-Engines-156FM1-2-/321207171794?pt=UK_Collectables_OtherTransportation_RL&hash=item4ac9707ad2

I guess these are the same product/quality, no ? Asking because I find OOracing very nice but a bit pricey as a general rule.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 13, 2013, 19:09:18
I ordered the fork upgrade kit from OORacing including two 110ml 30W Silkolene weight oil bottles and two 2.54 cm spacers. So this is the correct capacity coz I guess they know what they are doing.

I have a question too, mainly for those who put the 150cxc big bore kit:
- Is the ooracing kit the same product you can find on ebay from different (mainly chinese) sellers ?
for instance:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150cc-BARREL-PISTON-KIT-for-Chinese-125cc-CG125-copies-Motorcycle-New-/150891831683?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2321daa183
and
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-Stock-NEW-150cc-Big-Bore-Cylinder-Head-For-CG125-Engines-156FM1-2-/321207171794?pt=UK_Collectables_OtherTransportation_RL&hash=item4ac9707ad2

I guess these are the same product/quality, no ? Asking because I find OOracing very nice but a bit pricey as a general rule.

Aye I did the same upgrade on my forks before they got bent but stupidly chucked the bottle and forgot to note how much was in them, Thanks :)

Not 100% certain but I suspect they probably are.

On other hand I think I would prefer to deal with Adrian at OO rather than an unknow ebayer even if they are the same item cheaper plus as I'm in the UK i can generally get stuff off him next day delivery rather than paying a fotune in freight costs + import taxes & a longer wait (although there are already taxes included but the price I see is the price I pay)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 13, 2013, 19:14:42

I guess these are the same product/quality, no ? Asking because I find OOracing very nice but a bit pricey as a general rule.


true, but they have made sure the kits fit and are the right parts, a couple of guys on another ace group had the wrong parts sent from china , mainly a 125cc jug instead of the 150.. and  they had issues getting it changed. and if you look at the stock parts oo racing have for the ace they are comparable in price to http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/ace/
for example a front wheel from skyteam parts is £200.17 and its £89.99 from ooracing.
pays to check all the sources of parts before you put your money down.  but the quality is most likely the same for all the big bore kits , i agree there.

what diameter where the spacers ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 13, 2013, 19:18:07

true, but they have made sure the kits fit and are the right parts, a couple of guys on another ace group had the wrong parts sent from china , mainly a 125cc jug instead of the 150.. and  they had issues getting it changed. and if you look at the stock parts oo racing have for the ace they are comparable in price to http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/ace/
for example a front wheel from skyteam parts is £200.17 and its £89.99 from ooracing.
pays to check all the sources of parts before you put your money down.  but the quality is most likely the same for all the big bore kits , i agree there.

That £200 price is a complete wheelinc tire & disc. Wheelonly (which is what OO sell) are £102.


Getting the parts for Jessica from Skyteam at 30% discount as my mate is a Skyteam Dealer, just dont tell the insurance company ;o)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 13, 2013, 19:25:26
That £200 price is a complete wheelinc tire & disc. Wheelonly (which is what OO sell) are £102.

ahh cool you learn something new everyday
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 13, 2013, 19:29:22
ahh cool you learn something new everyday
And I've got to say Rubens & Charlie at Skyteam in Yeovil are really nice people to deal with.

Apparently they ship parts all over the world including back to China!!

One of their regular orders is 4 (Ace) tanks & seat sets at a time to some chap in the states whos converting old Hondas into cafe racers

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 14, 2013, 09:42:55
purchased a small plastic rear guard tail light  with leds to replace rear guard from "super cheap auto" today and fitted . looks good and good value for under $50. left plastic section of rear guard in place and will put some core flute under seat for water proofing. used reflector  from tail light section to keep it legal.

will try and post photos at a further date. also added iridium plug and have got a quote on a header from local exhaust place. have dug out a small megaphone exhaust muffler from my parts and this will be welded to header. should improve power I am hoping. 

pete
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Nov 14, 2013, 12:55:27
What should the diameter of the header pipe be for a single wall stainless? as the original external wall is 35mm, and the internal wall is a lot smaller ( not measured) but would guess at 25mm?

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 14, 2013, 16:59:48
What should the diameter of the header pipe be for a single wall stainless?

Good guess!

25mm ID is ideal for these motors.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 14, 2013, 17:29:31
Caught up with Crazy yesterday
For those who havent seen 2 together!
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Erskine on Nov 14, 2013, 17:40:25
Good guess!

25mm ID is ideal for these motors.

Crazy

I made mine with 26 mm I/D 28mm O/D tubing and that works well too.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 14, 2013, 18:20:19
Perfect weather for a ride!

A trip south - 230k of back roads.  Went to Colo Vale to see the builder of the chambers for the RaZoR, hopefully will have a result before Christmas.

Razorback lookout; Sydney is barely visible on the horizon above the Ace's headlight:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUecV_I-QrhZgE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

The pub at Picton:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdhrEt63zAU_U-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

The Rail museum at Thirlmere:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfC7JFBOH08MgmtoKug6n4_vWgJX930eKw/item.JPG?)

Met ACEitup (as post above) when I got back to the city, we made an arrangement for a joint Ace ride soon.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 14, 2013, 18:37:03
damn you and your blue skies  ;D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 14, 2013, 21:19:56
We only do the blue skies to annoy the poms!

Crazy

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Nov 14, 2013, 23:18:51
Still waiting for the bike... Ordered it at Motociclo in Sydney, sent them a $500 deposit on 5/11 and it was supposed to take 1 week to arrive from WA + 2 days to assemble it. Haven't heard of them since... Sent them an email three days ago and no response:-(
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 15, 2013, 00:58:24
cheapest upgrade .. replacing the bolts bit by bit.. new handlebar yoke bolts and master cylinder screws, allen key heads, $1 aud for the lot.. now at least my bars wont fall off on me ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 15, 2013, 02:25:13
Still waiting for the bike... Ordered it at Motociclo in Sydney, sent them a $500 deposit on 5/11 and it was supposed to take 1 week to arrive from WA + 2 days to assemble it. Haven't heard of them since... Sent them an email three days ago and no response:-(
Hi Café
bought mine also from Motociclo
also said a week to me but actually was closer to 3 ?
However John and Nic are friendly enough and
took care in making sure the bike was right
Hope u get it soon! worth the wait!
Where are you located?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 15, 2013, 03:05:29
Hi All ,
planning an exhaust up grade,
Getting a header made up prob end up being $200 plus a slip on muffler?
or I could get this for $480
thoughts?
mmmm I do like shiny things
ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 15, 2013, 03:24:53
that is super sexy. i ended up getting a local welder to chop off brfore the cat and weld on an extension.  its ugly, but it works i guess. i have sprayed it with high heat paint.  has nothing on that pipe tho.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 15, 2013, 03:51:20
Yay , mines just been delivered and I fit  :D - bought over the web so bit of a risk as I'm well over 6ft .

Just eating breakfast then off to have a meddle , fired it up but it was not easy - bit cold here over night and the jetting is so obviously very weak it took a while to start then needed lots of choke to keep going - as reported  ;)

Next problem seems to be getting insured , quotes so far have been for what seems a lot for a cheap 125 or just not a bike recognised by their sytems .  :o
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 03:51:47
Hi All ,
planning an exhaust up grade,
Getting a header made up prob end up being $200 plus a slip on muffler?
or I could get this for $480
thoughts?
mmmm I do like shiny things
ACEitup

That looks very good. Where can you buy that from?

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Nov 15, 2013, 07:56:40
I have not insured my ace, I don't think it's necessary. in fact I haven't insured any motorcycle. they are not worth enough. maybe if I had a Honda dream 50 i might at 30k for theft, but not a $1,500 Chinese knockoff. 3rd party insurance  only lol.

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 15, 2013, 08:45:07
Yep , I insured mine third party only this morning - with the excess and the raised premiums etc its just not worth claiming !

Bought this tacho which is not a bad match with the original speedo , just need to sort the brackets out .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380708156211?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Will chop out the cat. and drop one of these on - might need an extra bit of pipe to keep the tuned length  ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390693014707?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 15, 2013, 12:24:52

Bought this tacho which is not a bad match with the original speedo , just need to sort the brackets out .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380708156211?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


Could you post a picture because I cannot open the ebay page, got the restriction error.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 12:54:46
Could you post a picture because I cannot open the ebay page, got the restriction error.

(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/tachoebay.JPG)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 15, 2013, 13:00:24
alright it's the same I installed  8)
Also changed the speedo for the same manufacturer speedo. Same size, same design, looks clean.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 13:16:09
alright it's the same I installed  8)
Also changed the speedo for the same manufacturer speedo. Same size, same design, looks clean.

Any chance of a picture of how it all looks installed.

Thanks

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 15, 2013, 13:47:51
Like this. Sorry for the poor quality.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 14:18:12
Like this. Sorry for the poor quality.

Looking good Alan, reminds me though I really need to rewqork how my Acewell is mounted as its a tadge high for my liking. I have a cunning plan in my head  8)

(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/acewell.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 15, 2013, 14:29:51
Looking good Alan, reminds me though I really need to rewqork how my Acewell is mounted as its a tadge high for my liking. I have a cunning plan in my head  8)

Your Acewell is really nice but a bit too big for my liking.
Did you try so screw the dashboard underneath the two fork thread ? It'd lower the thing by a few centimers.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 14:34:27
Your Acewell is really nice but a bit too big for my liking.
Did you try so screw the dashboard underneath the two fork thread ? It'd lower the thing by a few centimers.

Im planning removing the OEM light & bracket & replacing with a (possibly) 7" sidemounted unit with 35w H4 HID conversion.

Also plan on moving the ignition switch down to a panel/plate where the EGR kit normally sits.

Those 2 together should allow me to drop the Acewell right down
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 15, 2013, 14:38:55
Like this. Sorry for the poor quality.

Ah , that looks neat Alan , might have to re think using the original speedo now , I was going to try and use the original "idiot light" binnacle mounted ahead of the two clocks , will see how it looks/works .
Been tied up with other stuff today so have just removed the "125" stickers of off the sidepanels so far !

Sidepanels were well stuck to the rubber grommets and was scared they were going to break the lugs - going to get the silicon grease on them .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 15, 2013, 14:40:34
Im planning removing the OEM light & bracket & replacing with a (possibly) 7" sidemounted unit with 35w H4 HID conversion.

Also plan on moving the ignition switch down to a panel/plate where the EGR kit normally sits.

Those 2 together should allow me to drop the Acewell right down

Indeed. I have a 8" side mounted light and even if i installed it quite low it didn't bring so much space. Mainly the speedo cable interferes.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 15, 2013, 14:43:49
Ah , that looks neat Alan , might have to re think using the original speedo now , I was going to try and use the original "idiot light" binnacle mounted ahead of the two clocks , will see how it looks/works .
Been tied up with other stuff today so have just removed the "125" stickers of off the sidepanels so far !

Sidepanels were well stuck to the rubber grommets and was scared they were going to break the lugs - going to get the silicon grease on them .

I removed stickers and side panels altogether !
(http://i57.servimg.com/u/f57/18/48/06/34/_dsc6612.jpg)


And remove any other branding while at it:

(http://i57.servimg.com/u/f57/18/48/06/34/_dsc6610.jpg)
(http://i57.servimg.com/u/f57/18/48/06/34/_dsc6611.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 14:45:51
Indeed. I have a 8" side mounted light and even if i installed it quite low it didn't bring so much space. Mainly the speedo cable interferes.

Actually the Acewell isnt that big, Its just the way I currently have it mounted.

This probably gives you a better idea

(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/acewell+oem.jpg)


Don't have to worry about the speedo cable as its now a wire running up from the speedo drive :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 15, 2013, 14:55:10
I removed stickers and side panels altogether !
And remove any other branding while at it:

Bah - you are a lot of steps ahead Alan !  :D Looks very tidy , I was going to be removing the engine branding but as its only hours old cannot bring myself to do it yet ! Tank decal is coming off to be replaced by a HM Winged one . Mine does seem to be a late 2012 build with the steel indicators and all alloy master cylinder , cannot see any other changes .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 15:02:20
Bah - you are a lot of steps ahead Alan !  :D Looks very tidy , I was going to be removing the engine branding but as its only hours old cannot bring myself to do it yet ! Tank decal is coming off to be replaced by a HM Winged one . Mine does seem to be a late 2012 build with the steel indicators and all alloy master cylinder , cannot see any other changes .

I was having an interesting discussion around replacing the OEM logos with the HM winged ones with my local spanner man and have to say I'm in agreement with him.


The Ace is a cracking looking bike and whilst she's a copy/replica/homage, she's good enough to stand up in her own right and be proud of what she is :)

After all the anoraks will only pick holes lol

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 15:06:11
Looking good Alan, reminds me though I really need to rewqork how my Acewell is mounted as its a tadge high for my liking. I have a cunning plan in my head  8)

(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/acewell.jpg)

That looks very good. Thanks Alan.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 15, 2013, 15:07:09
I agree to a large extent - I didnt want Honda wings but thought the HM version a bit more subtle  :)

I did not like the big 125 stickers and would have preferred "Ace" there - might go with Ace cafe stickers I already have on the sidepanels .

All this before I have even ridden it !
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 15:07:10
That looks very good. Thanks Alan.

Wayne

I think you quoted the wrong post  ::)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 15:08:18
I agree to a large extent - I didnt want Honda wings but thought the HM version a bit more subtle  :)

I did not like the big 125 stickers and would have preferred "Ace" there - might go with Ace cafe stickers I already have on the sidepanels .

All this before I have even ridden it !

Aye the 125 came straight off !!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 15:08:54
Bah - you are a lot of steps ahead Alan !  :D Looks very tidy , I was going to be removing the engine branding but as its only hours old cannot bring myself to do it yet ! Tank decal is coming off to be replaced by a HM Winged one . Mine does seem to be a late 2012 build with the steel indicators and all alloy master cylinder , cannot see any other changes .

What are the differences between 2012 and 2013, I want to make sure that I do not get palmed off with old stock.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 15:10:09
I think you quoted the wrong post  ::)

Oops, sorry. I'd like to see some modified UK bikes to give me some ideas.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 15:11:01
Like this. Sorry for the poor quality.

That looks good Alan, thanks for posting.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 15:13:06
Oops, sorry. I'd like to see some modified UK bikes to give me some ideas.

Wayne

If you're ever 'oop North you're more than welcome to stop off (I'm in Warrington although I may be down in Aylesbury with her end of the month)   8)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 15:19:20
If you're ever 'oop North you're more than welcome to stop off (I'm in Warrington although I may be down in Aylesbury with her end of the month)   8)

Thanks Mikey. I am still waiting for my local dealer to let me know when they get one in. I did go and look at one last Friday but i'd prefer to deal with the nearest dealer. I will probably wait and get a 14 plate in March as I will not get much use out of it over the winter. I'm having shoulder issues at the moment so  that is also stopping rushing out to get one now. Even the wife approves  ;D

I used to have a 600 when I was 21 but sold that to put a deposit down on a flat with the Mrs, I have not owned my own bike since. When I started looking at what to get I originally was looking at getting a scooter just for fun, then I typed cafe racer in Ebay and it led me to the Ace. It will be perfect for my short commute to work.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 15:30:00
Thanks Mikey. I am still waiting for my local dealer to let me know when they get one in. I did go and look at one last Friday but i'd prefer to deal with the nearest dealer. I will probably wait and get a 14 plate in March as I will not get much use out of it over the winter. I'm having shoulder issues at the moment so  that is also stopping rushing out to get one now. Even the wife approves  ;D

I used to have a 600 when I was 21 but sold that to put a deposit down on a flat with the Mrs, I have not owned my own bike since. When I started looking at what to get I originally was looking at getting a scooter just for fun, then I typed cafe racer in Ebay and it led me to the Ace. It will be perfect for my short commute to work.

Wayne


My advice FWIW is don't worry about using a local dealer as by the time you've done a few mods your warranty will be technically invalid anyways. Just find one for the best price including delivery you can (I used shiply (http://www.shiply.com/) cost me £85 for the 160 miles from Aylesbury to Warrington) and If you're not a spannerman yourself just find a good local family run garage.

The Ace is a nice simple solid bike and parts etc are readily available from either Skyteam direct (www.skyteamparts.com) or OO Racing (www.ooracing.com)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 16:26:07
Hi Mike,

I was a Land Rover mechanic up until 5 years ago. I now work as an aircraft repair technician, so modifying should not be a problem, although I have never worked on bikes. That is why the information that you, Stroker Crazy, sprocket2cog, jarradschmarrad and CaffEnthusiast have posted makes the idea all the more possible. The local dealer told me he had sold 5 bikes and that only 2 of them had been delivered locally. One of them was shipped to Scotland and the dealer is on the south coast.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 16:28:48
Hi Mike,

I was a Land Rover mechanic up until 5 years ago. I now work as an aircraft repair technician, so modifying should not be a problem, although I have never worked on bikes. That is why the information that you, Stroker Crazy, sprocket2cog, jarradschmarrad and CaffEnthusiast have posted makes the idea all the more possible. The local dealer told me he had sold 5 bikes and that only 2 of them had been delivered locally. One of them was shipped to Scotland and the dealer is on the south coast.

Wayne

Ahh a rigger.

You can use slightly smaller hammers on the Ace than on the Landys & whatever aircraft you're working on  :P
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 15, 2013, 16:35:14
The aircraft work I do is bench work, I repair fuel system components. I left Land Rover due to having problems with my hands/arms. The bench work is a lot lighter. Thats the reason I want a small light bike like the Ace. I borrowed my Dads Kawasaki GPX600R a few weeks ago which is the same bike that I had 19 years ago and I found it very heavy, I'm clearly not as strong as I was all them years ago. I am still having issues with my arms so waiting until March will not be a bad thing as I am seeing a specialist in a few weeks, plus having a 14 plate when they come out will put a big grin on my face. After reading all the threads about the ace I think the cheap bike I was looking for will not be so cheap in the end. Thanks to all the goodies that are available at OORacing. I will probably go for the ape bars as I don't want to lean forward too much, has anybody else fitted these?

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 15, 2013, 17:24:31
What are the differences between 2012 and 2013, I want to make sure that I do not get palmed off with old stock.

Wayne

The bits I mentioned are the ones I knew of , master cylinder is all black alloy on the later ones , the indicators are chromed steel not plastic (though this seems to vary ?) , later footrests are black not alloy finish not aware of any others . Nothing significant either way , could also check the date codes on the tyres - mine are week 50 of 2012 .

I just went for what appeared to be the best deal I could get - turned out to be 200 miles away but even after delivery charges it was several hundred less than some are asking .

It is quite an upright riding position with the standard bars , I think you would have a lot of work to do with wiring/control cables etc if you wanted higher bars .

Had the tank etc off mine tonight and am quite happy with the quality (for the price!) - a couple of connections not pushed together but otherwise build quality not bad .

Did notiice my inlet manifold is (was!) held on with security bolts - anti tampering ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 15, 2013, 17:52:59
That looks very good. Where can you buy that from?

Wayne
Here you go
Pipemasters motorcycle Exhausts
 41 Allison Street
 Mayne 4006
 Queensland 
Phone: 07 3252 3939
Fax:   07 3852 1066 

 International Phone: +617 3252 3939 

E-Mail: info@pipemasters.net 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 15, 2013, 18:10:44
Here you go
Pipemasters motorcycle Exhausts
 41 Allison Street
 Mayne 4006
 Queensland 
Phone: 07 3252 3939
Fax:   07 3852 1066 

 International Phone: +617 3252 3939 

E-Mail: info@pipemasters.net

Meanwhile here in the UK I've heard good reports about these chaps, may pay them a visit after Christmas


http://www.osmc.co.uk/
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 16, 2013, 02:02:33
Here you go
Pipemasters motorcycle Exhausts
 41 Allison Street
 Mayne 4006
 Queensland 
Phone: 07 3252 3939
Fax:   07 3852 1066 

 International Phone: +617 3252 3939 

E-Mail: info@pipemasters.net

Thank you  :)

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 16, 2013, 02:07:13
Meanwhile here in the UK I've heard good reports about these chaps, may pay them a visit after Christmas


http://www.osmc.co.uk/

I'd be interested to see how you get on. I see they also sell stainless fixings.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 16, 2013, 02:24:42
Quote from Bojer:-

It is quite an upright riding position with the standard bars , I think you would have a lot of work to do with wiring/control cables etc if you wanted higher bars .

Reply to Bojer:-

When I said I wanted Ape bars, I actually meant Ace bars  :-[
I would look a complete tool on a cafe style bike with ape hangers  :)

Wayne

PS How do I quote part of a previous post and not the whole post?

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 16, 2013, 02:45:49
How do I quote part of a previous post and not the whole post?

Click on 'Quote' at top right corner of the post in question.
When reply window opens, delete whatever you don't need.
Don't delete the square brackets or anything contained therein.
Add your own comments.

Easy peasy!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 16, 2013, 04:16:07
Click on 'Quote' at top right corner of the post in question.
When reply window opens, delete whatever you don't need.
Don't delete the square brackets or anything contained therein.
Add your own comments.

Easy peasy!

Crazy

Thanks, I was deleting everything but the actual sentance. This thread of yours has really become great source of information for everything Ace related.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 16, 2013, 04:42:05
Raining  here!
productive day thou!
800k's on the clock
1.oil change
2.install new ooracing shocks
3.make new cutting board/bread board for the wife
4. teach young bloke to ride/ use clutch
100% pass
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 16, 2013, 05:15:50
Raining  here!
productive day thou!
800k's on the clock
1.oil change
2.install new ooracing shocks
3.make new cutting board/bread board for the wife
4. teach young bloke to ride/ use clutch
100% pass
cheers ACEitup

Look like the same rear shocks I have :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Nov 16, 2013, 06:34:56

When I said I wanted Ape bars, I actually meant Ace bars  :-[
I would look a complete tool on a cafe style bike with ape hangers  :)

Wayne


Here is my Ace with Ace bars, and a few other mods :)

Ps I will take some better quality pictures soon.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 16, 2013, 06:38:06
Here is my Ace with Ace bars, and a few other mods :)

Ps I will take some better quality pictures soon.

I see you have a dual seat as well, whats she like with a pillion and where have you put the footpegs?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 16, 2013, 06:43:15
Here is my Ace with Ace bars, and a few other mods :)

Ps I will take some better quality pictures soon.

Thank you. Can you set the bars at any angle you want or do they naturally fall in one position. I dont want to be leaning too far forward as I have dodgy arm and shoulders.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Nov 16, 2013, 06:49:18
I see you have a dual seat as well, whats she like with a pillion and where have you put the footpegs?

It's not a dual seat, just something I made myself.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 16, 2013, 06:50:42
I stand corrected :-)

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Nov 16, 2013, 06:52:39
Thank you. Can you set the bars at any angle you want or do they naturally fall in one position. I dont want to be leaning too far forward as I have dody armand shoulders.

Wayne

You can adjust them to your preference, I didn't have any clearance issues. I did however move the indicator lights to the lower bracket, to open up the front end because it looked to packed up.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 16, 2013, 07:05:16
Here is my Ace with Ace bars, and a few other mods :)

Ps I will take some better quality pictures soon.

What is the exact reference or model of the ace bar you installed ?

It looks like we have the exact same rear shocks  ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Nov 16, 2013, 07:15:57
What is the exact reference or model of the ace bar you installed ?

It looks like we have the exact same rear shocks  ;)

Frankly I have no idea, I bought them off my teacher, and he got them from a friend of his.

Well they are a lot better then the stock rear shocks ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Nov 16, 2013, 07:40:18
Before we go any further, let me introduce myself.

I'm from Antwerp, Belgium. I've had my ace since mid august and got 1800km on her to date.
I use my Ace mainly for getting around town and for the occasional blast in the Port of Antwerp.
I'm studying to become a car mechanic, and the Ace has thought me more then I expected.

The mods I made so far include (from front to back):

- Front fender spray painted satin black
- Removed the front fork sheath
- Black electrical tape around the headlight
- Front indicators moved to the lower bracket
- Black tape around the speedometer, to hide the poor quality
- Ace bars
- Horn from an old Ford Transit (and it makes a gloriously loud noise   ;D )
- Unicorn sticker from Musketon https://www.facebook.com/musketon?fref=ts
- Fuel filter
- The band-aid is to mask the first scar on the Ace
- Drilled some holes in the chain cover
- PEX performance air filter from ooracing
- Racing CDI from ooracing
- Disconnected the sensor at the stand
- Custom rear fender hidden between the frame
- Home made seat (multiplex board, yoga mat, tec-7, old leather jacket, and sound insulating foam)
- Leather strip over the rubber tank band
- Rear shocks
- Custom tail light + licence plate holder, modeled after the skeleton of an airplane wing and finished in high gloss black

Still to come:

- Carb rejet with force filter from ooracing. I bought the 303 tune up kit, but I can't use the new jets in combination with the PEX filter, however the force filter will work according to ooracing.
- New exhaust pipe without CAT, my teacher will sort me out with some pipe and I'll bend it and weld it myself :)
- I'm considering the straight end silencer from ooracing.
- Pirelli city demon tires have been ordered, but haven't arrived yet.
- S/S braided front brake hose and upgraded brake pads.

So that's about it for me. :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 16, 2013, 07:54:42
Frame looks solid !  :)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff189/bojer/ace_zpseccaaac8.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 16, 2013, 11:31:21
my ace is in the shop...getting new pipe...4 days till it returns.
now had first oil change... around 180kms on the clock and just getting better all the time..
blanked off emissions gear today. no huge change in how it goes..hoping exhaust work makes some improvement. rear guard removed and core flute filler fitted under seat.. lighter and looks  more of a race bike.. gets a lot of looks and people asking me what that old bike is..
back to work mode for 4 days .. then back on the ace


pete
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 16, 2013, 12:00:51
New 7" headlamp with HID conversion kit ready to be fitted

Love the Taiwanese sense of humour  8)

Picked it up at a local bike emporium (they also sell on ebay but I dropped in to make sure the HID fitted), already had the HID kit left over from a previous project.  All metal construction.

The HID ballast will get fitted somewhere at  the back (wired into the battery via a relay operated from the OEM wiring) as have a 2m ext lead to connect it to the lamp

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270921392206

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1462621_10151963239537200_29952613_o.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1399310_10151963239522200_723351344_o.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1461212_10151963207317200_1786914724_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 16, 2013, 13:40:35
quick test firing on dip (& yes the room lights were on!)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1397878_10151963393432200_695815878_o.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1402407_10151963393412200_359805631_o.jpg)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 16, 2013, 21:08:02
Hi guys, two things

I attempted to check valve clearances yesterday but I could not get the left side cover off. T
The cover with the sky team logo came off easy enough and the sprocket cover too, but the larger one with6 or 7 bolts just wouldn't budge once the bolts were out. What was I missing

Second point, has any used the stock handle bar and flipped it over to give the bike that drop bar look and did it work?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 16, 2013, 21:13:44
What was I missing

Did you get the bolt inside the starter motor gear housing?

There are eight bolts in total.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 16, 2013, 21:15:50
Is that from the LHS too? I took out the three bolts from what looked like the back of the starter motor?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 16, 2013, 21:21:33
On the LHS there is a cover over the starter motor gear held by three screws. Inside that housing, at the back left, is another bolt.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 16, 2013, 21:45:23
Ok thanks I'll try again next weekend!

Might drop the bars too...


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 17, 2013, 00:57:47
Raining  here!
productive day thou!
800k's on the clock
1.oil change
2.install new ooracing shocks
3.make new cutting board/bread board for the wife
4. teach young bloke to ride/ use clutch
100% pass
cheers ACEitup

Funnily enough, it's raining here as well!

And if the BOM have got it right it will be like this for at least the next week.

Good to see you're getting some bike worktime, and items 3 and 4 will help to keep everyone onside.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 17, 2013, 02:01:26
new gps speed trace . 114.2kph
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 17, 2013, 02:21:24

Bought this tacho which is not a bad match with the original speedo , just need to sort the brackets out .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380708156211?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


Like this too but doesn't post to Australia ?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 17, 2013, 05:29:19
Hi guys, two things
I attempted to check valve clearances yesterday  What was I missing
Second point, has any used the stock handle bar and flipped it over to give the bike that drop bar look and did it work?
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I wouldnt bother getting the whole cover off just for a valve check , there is a little plug in the top over a "window" in the top of the cover to try and see the T mark down but TBH I just wind the engine to compression and check then . If you take a bit of care you can simply turn the motor over until you find the maximum gap .

I was looking at flipping the bars over but not sure if they will be comfortable angled down like they will be - laziness and the need to drill holes for the switchgear stopped me !
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: RandyT on Nov 17, 2013, 05:34:28
Hi guys great thread. I've got mine all going but had trouble at TMR.
Has anyone had any trouble getting these registered in Queensland?
I went in to TMR and they told me I didn't have the right import papers and that my bikes VIN needed to be on the papers. Any help would be great.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 17, 2013, 05:39:17
because the stock handle bars dont have any vertical rise to them, flipping them over wont change how you can lower the stock bars, you can get the same result just by rotating them down in the normal postion.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 17, 2013, 05:46:26
the need to drill holes for the switchgear stopped me !

Break the tabs off and put some gaffer tape (increases the diameter slightly plus provides grip)  around the bar before putting the switches back on , much easier :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Rishy on Nov 17, 2013, 06:30:56
Break the tabs off and put some gaffer tape (increases the diameter slightly plus provides grip)  around the bar before putting the switches back on , much easier :)

Does this work, save me drilling holes in my clip ons??
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 17, 2013, 06:34:01
Does this work, save me drilling holes in my clip ons??
exactly what I've done with my clip ons and for exactly the same reason :)

You can always trim any excess off with a scalpel/craft knife
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Rishy on Nov 17, 2013, 06:37:34
cheers mikey, save me a bit of time and ruining a good set of clip ons.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 17, 2013, 06:42:33
cheers mikey, save me a bit of time and ruining a good set of clip ons.

and if you want to go real belt & braces a touch of superglue on the plastic bits that make contact doesn't go amiss either lol
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 17, 2013, 06:42:50
I've trimmed the pins off in the past , not easy to drill the hole in the right place in new bars - but dont like the switchgear to be floating around , not tried duct tape as a solution !
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 17, 2013, 06:45:18
I've trimmed the pins off in the past , not easy to drill the hole in the right place in new bars - but dont like the switchgear to be floating around , not tried duct tape as a solution !

4 essentials

1) gaffer tape
2) WD40
3) Cable Ties
4) Electrical Insulation tape
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 17, 2013, 06:45:55

Second point, has any used the stock handle bar and flipped it over to give the bike that drop bar look and did it

I did it. You can check pictures of my bike somewhere between page 20 to 30 i'd say (sorry I don't know exactly which one).
I personnally drilled it, it drills really easy, but i know owner who uses the gaffer method and works good apparently.

Btw it makes me think that I can share this information to those who would like to put bar end mirrors on the original handlebar:
The end of the bar has a spacer really tightly inserted on it and I found no way to get it out. I even cut like 1cm of the bar so that I can grip the spacer and pull it out but no way.
So the solution was to push it further down the handlebar with a hammer.
I could push it for 5 cm which is what was needed for the bar end mirrors thread.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 17, 2013, 06:48:00
I did it. You can check pictures of my bike somewhere between page 20 to 30 i'd say (sorry I don't know exactly which one).
I personnally drilled it, it drills really easy, but i know owner who uses the gaffer method and works good apparently.

Btw it makes me think that I can share this information to those who would like to put bar end mirrors on the original handlebar:
The end of the bar has a spacer really tightly inserted on it and I found no way to get it out. I even cut like 1cm of the bar so that I can grip the spacer and pull it out but no way.
So the solution was to push it further down the handlebar with a hammer.
I could push it for 5 cm which is what was needed for the bar end mirrors thread.

If you wanted to be posh you could drill a hole in the spacer/weight , tap it out and screw the mounting bolt for the mirror straight into it.

Personally I prefer the big hammer approach  8)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 17, 2013, 06:51:25
If you wanted to be posh you could drill a hole in the spacer/weight , tap it out and screw the mounting bolt for the mirror straight into it.

Personally I prefer the big hammer approach  8)

Believe me I tried to drill the weight, it was the first attempt, but it must be like 5 cm at least so I gave up, went for the saw and finally came to the hammer.
Next mod i'll do i'll start with the hammer  :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: vonmighty on Nov 17, 2013, 07:30:43
Hey Guys,
I bought an ace about a year ago but its been sitting in the shed while I travelled and got my license.

Now I have my license I want to do the basic mods I have read about here.

I was wondering if we could start a list of places to source the parts for the mods you guys have all been talking about and maybe a how to for the basic mods eg exhaust mod.

I dont know much about bikes but am fairly good at basic mechanical type things...

Cheers,
Lauren
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 17, 2013, 07:37:16
Hey Guys,
I bought an ace about a year ago but its been sitting in the shed while I travelled and got my license.

Now I have my license I want to do the basic mods I have read about here.

I was wondering if we could start a list of places to source the parts for the mods you guys have all been talking about and maybe a how to for the basic mods eg exhaust mod.

I dont know much about bikes but am fairly good at basic mechanical type things...

Cheers,
Lauren

Hi Lauren & welcome to the madhouse

Most of the stuff can be sourced from OO Racing (http://www.ooracing.com/) . UK based but ship worldwide (whereabouts are you?). Adrian there is a star & fount of all knowledge :)

Skyeamparts.com is for all the OEM stuff


I've also used Discovolante (http://www.discovolantemoto.co.uk/) for some parts (although they are the pricier end of the market)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 17, 2013, 08:14:45
new gps speed trace . 114.2kph

Good work, it gives the rest of us a target!

there is a little plug in the top over a "window" in the top of the cover to try and see the T mark.

+1 on this.

Break the tabs off and put some gaffer tape (increases the diameter slightly plus provides grip)  around the bar before putting the switches back on , much easier :)

Always do something like this myself.

Hey Guys,Lauren

Welcome aboard Lauren!  Keep us posted on your mods.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 17, 2013, 16:16:37
Hi guys great thread. I've got mine all going but had trouble at TMR.
Has anyone had any trouble getting these registered in Queensland?
I went in to TMR and they told me I didn't have the right import papers and that my bikes VIN needed to be on the papers. Any help would be great.

Hi Randy,

I'm in QLD and had no problems at all.  Did you buy from Ikonik?  All you should need is the Invoice with the VIN number from Ikonik and TMR should check that against the compliance plate and an overall check of the bike.  As you are not the importer, Ikonik is, Ikonik have had the bike compliance and stamped.

You do not need a roadworthy certificate as the bike has never been registered.  Just need to organise your CTP before you go, have the rego form completed and pay the stamp duty when you at TMR and they should give you the plates.  PM me if you need any more help.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Nov 17, 2013, 16:44:22
the only issue I had was that 'skyteam' was not a registered manufacture.  they ended up using Sacin ace 125.  but yes also direct from ikonik with id plate attached, no roadworthy, only stamp+rego+plates ~ $300 or so. next rego will be cheaper.

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Title: Re: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Nov 17, 2013, 16:44:48
sorry, double post.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: RandyT on Nov 17, 2013, 16:58:25
Thanks for the responses.
They told me I need an import papers with my VIN listed, I even called Ikonik (who are awesome btw) at the time I was at TMR and they asked to talk to the person at Wynnum TMR but they wouldn't talk to them, they were just being idiots. Ikonik said that all imports are listed on the National Exchange of Vehicle and Driver Information System (NEVDIS) and that's all TMR need to look at. Surley they should know that.... Now I have to try and fix it all up again today.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 17, 2013, 17:17:03
Now I have to try and fix it all up again today.

Sounds to me like bureaucrats being obstructive!

Show them this:

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: RandyT on Nov 17, 2013, 17:54:28
Thanks Crazy, I already had that letter and they said to me it was not valid as my VIN wasn't listed and that it didn't have the Australian Government marking at the top of each page....
I just wrote them a nice letter  ::)  willl see how I go now.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 17, 2013, 18:21:33
willl see how I go now.

Good luck!

I could not get the left side cover off

For anyone removing the LH crankcase cover:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUexDpLPh23Y2k-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 17, 2013, 21:41:11
Thanks Crazy, I already had that letter and they said to me it was not valid as my VIN wasn't listed and that it didn't have the Australian Government marking at the top of each page....
I just wrote them a nice letter  ::)  willl see how I go now.

You need the invoice from Ikonik with the VIN number and you should be fine.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 17, 2013, 21:42:25


For anyone removing the LH crankcase cover:[/img]

Crazy

Do you turn crank her over via using a socket on the end of the main shaft that's under the cover with the 4 bolts/skyteam logo?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 17, 2013, 21:47:54
Do you turn crank her over via using a socket on the end of the main shaft that's under the cover with the 4 bolts/skyteam logo?
Have not tried doing valves myself yet,
this vid looks to be helpful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CrFwli-v0
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 17, 2013, 21:56:53
Do you turn crank her over via using a socket on the end of the main shaft that's under the cover with the 4 bolts/skyteam logo?
yeah you can do that just make sure your rotating it towards the front of the motor(anticlockwise) or you might be out a bit even when it lines up.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 17, 2013, 21:58:43
Hello all,  just having abit of a choke issue...the ace starts up with no choke at all, and when choke is applied to a cold engine it will not start, and if its applied to an idling engine with no choke it will die.

im thinking pilot circut is too rich...i am using the new pilot jet provided in the OOracing kit.  should i switch back to the stock pilot? and i sanyone else having this issue?

thank you in advance...!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 17, 2013, 22:02:42
Hello all,  just having abit of a choke issue...the ace starts up with no choke at all, and when choke is applied to a cold engine it will not start, and if its applied to an idling engine with no choke it will die.

im thinking pilot circut is too rich...i am using the new pilot jet provided in the OOracing kit.  should i switch back to the stock pilot? and i sanyone else having this issue?

thank you in advance...!!

if it starts without the choke thats ok, just let it warm up without the choke on then off you go. you dont need to choke it . nothing to worry about.
on mine i let the motor turn over with the kill switch on for a sec, then turn on the switch and she fires right up , no choke.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 17, 2013, 22:18:19
Many thanks folks, will check it out.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ci_mark on Nov 18, 2013, 01:32:35
if it starts without the choke thats ok, just let it warm up without the choke on then off you go. you dont need to choke it . nothing to worry about.
on mine i let the motor turn over with the kill switch on for a sec, then turn on the switch and she fires right up , no choke.

thanks for the advice, if anyone else wants to weigh in so i can get a majority decision? haha

also, some pics:

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 18, 2013, 01:36:59
thanks for the advice, if anyone else wants to weigh in so i can get a majority decision? haha

also, some pics:

Crazy took his choke off all together, if that helps you decide.
 ;D
(he mentions it somewhere back in the thread.)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 18, 2013, 01:42:28
I was speaking to Adrian at OO the other week about the choke (seeing as I no longer have a cable running too it form the LH handlebar) and he mentioned that wit their rejet kit even here in the UK they don't need it or only briefly.

Sweet looking tail, just need to sort the barn door on the back out ;o)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 18, 2013, 01:47:26
Just ordered my new muffler, exhaust wrap, new jets and EGR blanking plate for Xmas gift to myself!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 18, 2013, 02:00:08
Hi Guys
Anyone  able write up a " how to guide" to install fork up grade kit
Got the kit not sure where to start?
though I'ds ask before I start googling for a few hours
any help would be a great start
cheers
ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 18, 2013, 02:21:52
Hi Guys
Anyone  able write up a " how to guide" to install fork up grade kit
Got the kit not sure where to start?
though I'ds ask before I start googling for a few hours
any help would be a great start
cheers
ACEitup
its nt too hard, but you will need to take the forks off as there isnt a drain screw to get the old oil out.
undo the tops of the forks, then the tripe tree clamps.
drop the forks and tip them over to drain the oil. reinstall the forks, put the oil in, then drop the spacers in on top of the springs and the screw the fork top caps back in.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 18, 2013, 02:32:29
its nt too hard, but you will need to take the forks off as there isnt a drain screw to get the old oil out.
undo the tops of the forks, then the tripe tree clamps.
drop the forks and tip them over to drain the oil. reinstall the forks, put the oil in, then drop the spacers in on top of the springs and the screw the fork top caps back in.

Just to be sure mark the top of the springs with a touch of tipex L & R so you put them back the same way/same side if they come out
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 18, 2013, 02:36:32
Crazy took his choke off all together …

Back on page 7!

How does the plug look after a fast ride? That will give an indication of jetting.

… "how to guide" …

Sprocket2cog has it nailed!

While you have the fork leg upside-down after draining, pump it a couple of times to thoroughly empty it.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 18, 2013, 02:43:02
I read in the french thread I posted a while ago the guys were leaving their forks to drain for a relatively long period of time...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 18, 2013, 02:47:21
… the guys were leaving their forks to drain for a relatively long period of time …

Can't think why …

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 18, 2013, 02:51:58

How does the plug look after a fast ride? That will give an indication of jetting.
Crazy

the plug looks alright, it looks like its in the ok but not quite in the "best" range of the spark plug chart, little on the lean side. but nothing to get stressed about.
thats with stock jetting with bigger header, stock airbox as well

no signs of erosion on the electrode after 2950km of mainly high speed highway use.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 18, 2013, 03:00:29
its nt too hard, .
Thxs Sprocket
dont have a stand, any make shift idea's?
if this rain keeps up I'll run out of mods to do!
cheers
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 18, 2013, 03:03:43
Thxs Sprocket
dont have a stand, any make shift idea's?
if this rain keeps up I'll run out of mods to do!
cheers

use rope or tie down straps  to tie the handlebars up to a beam etc on a patio or garage. and lift the front end in the air. tie it to both sides to keep it stable.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 18, 2013, 03:12:42
[quote straps  to tie the handlebars up to a beam etc on a patio or garage. and lift the front end in the air.
[/quote]
brilliant!
cheers
ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: RandyT on Nov 18, 2013, 03:36:06
You need the invoice from Ikonik with the VIN number and you should be fine.
Rego all done. I went to a different TMR office (Cleveland) just gave them the invoice with no trouble this time. It was a nice ride there and back, I'm loving this bike already and it's only stock atm.  ;D
Looking forward to riding to work tomorrow  :D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 18, 2013, 04:25:42
… any make shift idea's?

I usually use the ubiquitous milk crate; not as secure as the straps though.

Looking forward to riding to work tomorrow  :D

Success!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 18, 2013, 08:40:28
pics of my back  mods
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 18, 2013, 08:45:55
no 2
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 18, 2013, 17:00:52
Hi All

Just had a nice couple of nights reading what everyone has been up to - some 'ace' info and ideas in this forum - Thank you - I bought my Ace a month ago, saw it in our local Cheapy, Cheerful, Chinese bike dealer went in looked all over it and bought it for £1650 on the road with a chrome 'performance' exhaust thrown in (not fitted).  I have not even ridden it as standard but have started to replace all nuts and bolts with stainless, and I am waiting for Ooracing's big bore kit, carb and stack, performance CDI and an iridium plug to come.
The indicators have to go - foul - and I will fit some mini chrome round ones from Wizard Customs in Sheffield, I have also ordered a Shin Yo rear light, also round, from a place in Germany called Louis Motorrad.
I am very interested in what you are all doing and I have though long and hard about what I want to achieve with my bike. 
I am a bit torn with it in some ways.  It is a copy of a racer, but I ain't racing it, it's a road bike so I want it to work properly - indicators, lights etc.  It looks 60's so I want appropriate looking parts (sorry, don't like piggy back shocks or LP tyres!)
The best conclusion I can reach is to buy another four and make 'em all different!!!
One bit of info I would like to share is that in removing a lot of the fasteners they appear to be made of some king of low grade cheese - frequently stripping and 'galling'.
This is not really that important except that two of them holding the disc on sheared off in the front hub.  I drilled them out ok but was not happy with the threads in these two holes or, upon inspection, the others.  I am taking the disc off, re-drilling the holes to M8 and re-tapping the hub take M8 bolts. 
I intend to gear the bike up but want to try it first - here in sunny Yorkshire we have lots of hills and I am a fat bastard - so I'd better wait and see!
One question I have - when I inspect my chrome exhaust there is a fillet of weld restricting the hole - I want to grind it out but are these pipes double skinned and will it open up a gap between the two if they are?
I will post some pictures as work progresses and once again thanks for all the freely given advice, tips and info!

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 18, 2013, 17:04:29
yay another Brit on the Board :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Rishy on Nov 18, 2013, 18:49:46
Does any one have any suggestion on replacing the rear sprocket bolts i.e. where to order some decent quality replacements that don't snap like the Chinese quality ones on my ace did?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 18, 2013, 19:48:32
Thxs Sprocket
dont have a stand, any make shift idea's?
if this rain keeps up I'll run out of mods to do!
cheers

I kept the frame that the bike came in, cut off the front section and use the back part to hold the back wheel, the kick stand then sits in a gap in the side of the frame perfectly and she sits upright.  I'll try and take a photo when I get a moment to show you what I mean.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Nov 19, 2013, 09:15:54
Hi Café
bought mine also from Motociclo
also said a week to me but actually was closer to 3 ?
However John and Nic are friendly enough and
took care in making sure the bike was right
Hope u get it soon! worth the wait!
Where are you located?
cheers ACEitup

Hey there,

Haven't checked the thread for a while, quite surprised to see that many posts;-) Well still waiting... called them on Monday, the bike was expected to come early this week... hopefully will get it before the weekend.

I am on the Northern beaches.

Cheers,

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 19, 2013, 16:06:47
I am on the Northern beaches.

There's getting to be quite a crew in Sydney!

Maybe we can organise a get together over Xmas/New Year. I can just see it: SinCity terrorised by a horde of Aces!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 19, 2013, 21:52:45
Ok time for a silly question.

How does the reserve tank work, does it fill up when you fill up the main tank or do you need to do something differently when you fill up with fuel? 

How far do you fill up the tanks (I've been filling up to around 3/4 of an inch below the mouth that sits inside the tank under the tank cap)?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 19, 2013, 22:05:21
Ok time for a silly question.

How does the reserve tank work, does it fill up when you fill up the main tank or do you need to do something differently when you fill up with fuel? 

How far do you fill up the tanks (I've been filling up to around 3/4 of an inch below the mouth that sits inside the tank under the tank cap)?

The reserve works with a pipe sticking up in the tank from the tap, when the fuel is higher then the pipes top it can get fuel from the main setting, but as the fuel drops the top of the pipe ends up in the air so you switch to reserve , which makes the fuel get taken from the bottom of the tank . there is no need to do anything to fill a reserve tank, its just an area of space in the tank , not a seperate tank.
fill it up to just under the inside bottom lip of the fuel filler, but the aces have a habit of dripping fuel after braking from the cap, good idea to carry a rag in your pocket to wipe it up .
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 19, 2013, 22:07:03
Thank you :)


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 20, 2013, 04:58:34
Quote from: stroker
 terrorised by a horde of Aces!
Crazy
[/quote
I'm in !dates??
Sunday morning 1st Dec before the xmas madness ?
Crazy, cafe?? ++ ?



Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 20, 2013, 05:33:15
The first is OK with me!

When we see who is up for it we can arrange a meeting point etcetera.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 20, 2013, 08:44:16
hi again all.
end of work cycle and back to motor cycle tomorrow morning.  Will be picking up ace from my local exhaust shop as they have bent me a new header and mounted little megaphone style muffler from my junk pile.  Will post pics tomorrow night.  Hopefully a power increase to be seen from standard.

Is there much increase in going over to micuni carby.  if it is not worth the hassle ill stay with orig. carb and re jet.  could someone let me know before i get a jet kit for standard carb..

cheers and good riding

pete.

anyone else from south australia lurking on this forum?????
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 20, 2013, 15:48:48
Hopefully a power increase to be seen from standard.

Losing the CAT has got to help!

Is there much increase in going over to micuni carby.

I don't think going to a Mikuni will make a major power difference. I'm using a race Mikuni because the tunability might help with the multiple changes I'm making.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 20, 2013, 15:55:48
Well Jessicas home with here new forks,wheel, mudguard & tank just need to get the paperwork off to the Solictors and get it back off the dozy car dirver!!


She's also now got her 7" headlamp with HID power fitted  8)

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 20, 2013, 16:58:31
Good to see she is back ! Going to be difficult for car drivers not to see that headlight now  ;D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 20, 2013, 17:01:48
Good to see she is back ! Going to be difficult for car drivers not to see that headlight now  ;D
That's the general plan. 8)
Just need to doa bit of rewiring as only working on dip at the moment due to losing the + when you switch to main
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Nov 20, 2013, 19:50:31
Quote from: stroker
 terrorised by a horde of Aces!
Crazy

I'm in !dates??
Sunday morning 1st Dec before the xmas madness ?
Crazy, cafe?? ++ ?
[/quote

Guys I am losing my hope that I will get the bike any time soon...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 20, 2013, 22:10:06
Guys I am losing my hope that I will get the bike any time soon...

With luck you still might make it!

Anyway, it won't be the last ride for the Aces.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 20, 2013, 22:54:18
Would be interested to know how many folks in Brisbane there are.  I know there are a few over in JustDan's advrider.com thread, but I haven't registered/posted over there.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Just Dan on Nov 20, 2013, 23:08:45
Would be interested to know how many folks in Brisbane there are.  I know there are a few over in JustDan's advrider.com thread, but I haven't registered/posted over there.

I am also here as well. Just been slack in posting. I have been doing a road trip around the lower parts of Aus for the last few weeks,
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 20, 2013, 23:10:52
I am also here as well. Just been slack in posting. I have been doing a road trip around the lower parts of Aus for the last few weeks,

Nice one, yeah I was meaning more that there were a couple of Brisbane guys in your thread over on the other forum posting, but not here.  Are you based in Brisbane?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 21, 2013, 01:57:38
Well Jessicas home with here new forks,wheel, mudguard & tank just need to get the paperwork off to the Solictors and get it back off the dozy car dirver!!


She's also now got her 7" headlamp with HID power fitted  8)

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1425641_10151973735557200_1883340887_n.jpg)(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1452152_10151973735507200_302755782_n.jpg)

Glad to hear Jessica is back on the road.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 21, 2013, 16:21:25
Found a good use for the original handlebar mounting point. Fit a couple of RamBall mounts so I can use the GoPro & SatNag if I so choose  8)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1403472_10151976284847200_1544715235_o.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1470365_10151976296232200_73637490_n.jpg)

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 21, 2013, 18:13:46
haha your instruments are going to weigh more than the rest of the bike itself!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 21, 2013, 18:15:20
haha your instruments are going to weigh more than the rest of the bike itself!!
they don't help the aerodynamics either lol
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rundown on Nov 21, 2013, 22:03:51
Looks like all the bikes are going "Down Under".  When will these be available in the US?  Must be Obama's fault.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 22, 2013, 10:52:39
new pipe is a winner..   now it sounds like a bike that does not deliver the mail and goes  quite well..needs jets changed though not as smooth as it was through whole rev range.   much better on take off.. going to go to local bike shop in morning to see if they have jets for original carby. 95 main and 45 idle from what i have read in this thread .

peter
 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 22, 2013, 11:31:39
pipework
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 22, 2013, 14:03:38
looks good now all we need is a quick sound recording  8)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 22, 2013, 15:35:11
How do you guys block the port back into the carb from the egr valve when removing the egr?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 22, 2013, 15:38:24
How do you guys block the port back into the carb from the egr valve when removing the egr?


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If you mean the vacuum offtake between carb & cylinder head  I just left the rubber pipe connected and put a suitable sized bolt in the far end before clipping it out of the way
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 22, 2013, 16:44:31
How do you guys block the port …

I just used a short screw with the end flush with the inside.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 22, 2013, 16:58:18
Thanks, will give that a try!


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 22, 2013, 19:25:58
Thanks, will give that a try!

A dab of Thr**B*nd or such will help!

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 22, 2013, 19:39:27
A dab of Thr**B*nd or such will help!

Crazy

Sorry what?


Went down the path of the bolt in the line as all my little screws I has just weren't the right size...

Where the exhaust ports, do you need to replace the adhesive or whatever it is, or just bolt on the gasket and plate?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 22, 2013, 19:45:22
Sorry what?


Went down the path of the bolt in the line as all my little screws I has just weren't the right size...

Where the exhaust ports, do you need to replace the adhesive or whatever it is, or just bolt on the gasket and plate?

Gasket & plate is all I've used
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 22, 2013, 19:47:11

Gasket & plate is all I've used

That's good enough for me!

Funny part is, I ordered parts from oo racing and an eBay seller who is located 15 mins away and the oo racing stuff got here first... Still waiting on the eBay stuff!!


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 22, 2013, 20:27:33
the oo racing stuff got here first...


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When I ordered my  shocks from  ooracing it took 5 working days!
they ship 'em quick!
cheers ACEit up
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 22, 2013, 20:28:36
Yeah I ordered Monday, arrived Friday morning.


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 22, 2013, 20:38:12
Hey Chris ,
you anywhere near this place
Pipemasters motorcycle Exhausts
 41 Allison Street
 Mayne 4006
 Queensland
got quote off peter gray there for a new exhaust
but now cant contact him ?
wondering if they have closed down ?
cheers ACEitup
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 22, 2013, 20:48:57
Never heard of 'Mayne', but by the looks if it is Bowen hills which is the other side of town. Never heard of them though.


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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 22, 2013, 20:50:41
I just google mapped them and there is a team moto next door. Maybe give then a call to see if they are still there?



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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 22, 2013, 20:52:06
thanks
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Nov 22, 2013, 21:19:43
I've now done 300km and have:
removed egr thingy.
done a 150km valve gap check- was around .08mm, adjusted to be 0.05mm.
hacksaw the exhaust, drilled and pulled out the main honeycomb cat - i see there was also the same honycomb thing inside the muffler - I didn't remove this.  rewelded the pipe back on.
drilled a 12mm hole in the end of the exhaust baffle (drill down the centre of the exhaust) someone said 15mm but I didn't have one handy.

ordered:
new bigger jets
race cdi 6 pin thingy
new 34 cog for speeeeeed :-)

next couple of months -my new list: :-)
1.new tyres (front is still out of round)
2.front fork spacers 15-17mm i think
3.stainless header and exhaust(local custom build)
4.clipons
5.remove rear mudguard & tidy up rear brake lights
6.rev  counter

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 23, 2013, 02:59:32
drilled a 12mm hole in the end of the exhaust baffle …

Mine was 18mm because that was the only one I had that was long enough!

The progress sounds good, with these bikes every little extra power or lighter weight really helps.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 23, 2013, 04:48:48
Egr valve off does make a slight difference...


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 24, 2013, 00:17:13
for those looking for chrome one piece exhaust systems , skyteamparts has them in for both the 125 and the 50cc ACE's

http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/accessories-2/ (http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/accessories-2/)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 24, 2013, 03:59:04
One week from today a Sydney 'Ace' get-together is planned.

A meet-up and cruise on some convenient piece of curvaceous road is intended.  This is going to be an event that new bikes and new riders will be comfortable with.

So far only ACEitup and myself are on board, but surely we can gather a few more.

Be there or be square!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 24, 2013, 07:56:11
Hi All
Just took delivery of my stuff from Ooracing

Gas flowed big valve head - Obviously it's hard to tell how good it will perform but the ports are beautifully smooth and blended together

Big bore barrel - looks good to me and I love the 'instructions' which basically tell you valve clearances, torque settings and that if you use a smear of silicone instead of the base gasket it will bump up compression! 

Both the above are a slightly different silver to the original but Ooracing tell you this and it looks fine to me.

Finned ignition module - fits great under the seat hump

Molke carb with ram that looks...well.... ace!

Hopefully I will get my 14 year old to take some pictures and upload them.

For UK Acers I bought a set of air horns from Halfords and noticed that they had Haynes CG125 manuals on clearance for a fiver - don't know if this is every Halfords but Huddersfield now has none left......

Hope this is of interest - now to go rouse the idle offspring...........

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 24, 2013, 09:19:37


Molke carb with ram that looks...well.... ace!


I guess this is prejetted for the 150 kit ?
Can you tell me what the slow jet and main jet size are please ?

Or for the other ace owner who installed the kit, what are you jets size ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 24, 2013, 11:49:55
Hi
Main Jet is 110 - What do you mean by slow jet? The pilot?  I couldn't see a number on the pilot but I can have another look.....

I have tried some pictures

Showing
Rearranged electrics, compressor for air horns, relocated battery and relay for compressor.
New carb in place on original head and barrel - make sure it fits with the above!
Air horns tucked in behind left hand side panel - Too loud to test in garage!!!

When I get a mo I'll post the pics of the barrel and head kit

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Nov 24, 2013, 13:54:27
Hi
Main Jet is 110 - What do you mean by slow jet? The pilot?  I couldn't see a number on the pilot but I can have another look.....

Yes I meant pilot jet, sorry.
Would definetly like to know what size it is.

Is your carb a 26mm or a 28mm ?
 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 24, 2013, 16:16:14
Hi Alan

Just bolted it all on!  I'll pull the carb off again tomorrow and have a look for you... The barrel and head look great - chunkier than the originals. It all actually fits better than the originals too!

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 24, 2013, 16:25:51
Sorry forgot to attach pictures -  I am really pleased with everything from Ooracing.  I will be using them again for sure....
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 24, 2013, 16:44:03


Be there or be square!

Crazy
Crazy, myself and another ace rider from sydney south r in for the inaugraul ACE ride
and meet
Cafe59 do u have ur ace yet?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 24, 2013, 16:52:28
another ace rider from sydney south …

Three Aces is better than a pair!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Just Dan on Nov 25, 2013, 07:23:56
Three Aces is better than a pair!

Crazy

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-PV8W4sF/0/L/IMG_0545-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/30481517_H3BZwf#!i=2659625779&k=PV8W4sF&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 25, 2013, 09:37:11
With the camera slightly better positioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKvOkUeKwc
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 25, 2013, 10:09:36
nice clip. what was top speed?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 25, 2013, 10:19:31
new bars(clubman)
and bar end mirrors...all tested this evening...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 25, 2013, 10:25:24
bad shots
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Nov 25, 2013, 10:31:23
new bars(clubman)
and bar end mirrors...all tested this evening...
nice mirrors
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 25, 2013, 10:36:56
nice clip. what was top speed?

Touched 60mph/96kph but had to back off because of the traffic

Only done about 400 miles so far and I'm a 104kg lump

Mind you if I want to go fast I use the Blackbird :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 25, 2013, 16:41:37
That exhaust note sounds just right to me !  ;D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 25, 2013, 18:25:23

With the camera slightly better positioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKvOkUeKwc


That exhaust note sounds just right to me !  ;D

Cheers


BTW its the official Skyteam Chrome exhaust Sprocket provided a link to the other day

http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/ace-125-chrome-exhaust/

Plus a PEX air filter

http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3720



Weather permiitting I'll be down your neck of the woods next weekend on Jessica.

Do you know the Super Sausage on the A5 @ Pottersbury?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 26, 2013, 08:47:01
thanks sprocket...big improvement on standard and not bad on price
$25 australian each bars were $50.
From "show and go" in adelaide .
 mikey
not bad for a gentle ride.  mine is still too new to open up  but hitting around that mark when speed limits allow.
Really like your build bike is looking good.
im a bit lighter than you but wish i was as light as i was 15 years ago 42 kg on my bike would make it a goer. not quite that now..hitting 82kg .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 26, 2013, 11:04:15

 mikey
not bad for a gentle ride.  mine is still too new to open up  but hitting around that mark when speed limits allow.
Really like your build bike is looking good.
im a bit lighter than you but wish i was as light as i was 15 years ago 42 kg on my bike would make it a goer. not quite that now..hitting 82kg .

Same run on the Bird (but taking it easy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxAufF8ueGw

don't forget to add 7-10kg for leathers, helmet , boots, mobile phone etc ;o)

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 26, 2013, 14:42:50
Nah - prefer the Ace soundtrack !  ;)  :D

I do indeed know the Super Sausage , does a good breakfast , I used to live almost within sight of the A5 - at Hanslope can see the church spire a long way off !

If i had my registration through I'd drop over - been ten days since I sent my insurance docs to the dealer but he seems to have mislaid them  >:(
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 26, 2013, 15:28:50
Nah - prefer the Ace soundtrack !  ;)  :D

I do indeed know the Super Sausage , does a good breakfast , I used to live almost within sight of the A5 - at Hanslope can see the church spire a long way off !

If i had my registration through I'd drop over - been ten days since I sent my insurance docs to the dealer but he seems to have mislaid them  >:(

The Ace soundtrack is certainly addictive. Guess I should take Mavis (my 92 CBR600 ) in tomorrow and get a full house lol


Thats a bugger about the reg. Lost with the dealer or with DVLA?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 26, 2013, 17:38:07


Seems the dealer is the problem (?) - have  sent the insurance certificate again today and hoped for the best  :)
Need to get out to see if my straight through megaphone is too loud !

Have taken my swingingarm out and measured the spacer , 17.9mm , and greased the bearings - seems more play in the bearings than I'd like . Tried to shim the ends but the problem seems to be that the spacer is undersize for an 18mm i/d needle roller ?

The sticking up reflector seems to have "fallen off" mine  ;) and as mentioned the nuts/bolts seem to gall/seize not sure if its their quality of surface finish/lack of lube .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 26, 2013, 18:28:47

Seems the dealer is the problem (?) - have  sent the insurance certificate again today and hoped for the best  :)
Need to get out to see if my straight through megaphone is too loud !

Have taken my swingingarm out and measured the spacer , 17.9mm , and greased the bearings - seems more play in the bearings than I'd like . Tried to shim the ends but the problem seems to be that the spacer is undersize for an 18mm i/d needle roller ?

The sticking up reflector seems to have "fallen off" mine  ;) and as mentioned the nuts/bolts seem to gall/seize not sure if its their quality of surface finish/lack of lube .
May have been better sending the paperwork off to the DVLA yourself.

Well if you can't ride her (legally) you may as well tinker :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 27, 2013, 04:39:32
Hi All,
Sydney Ace ride this Sunday 1st Dec 8.30am
Meeting Shell Servo Kirrawee cnr Princess Hwy & The Boulevarde
The ride will be thru the national park
so far there r 4 Aces that will be screaming like wasps thru the park
PM me if u would like to join in
cheers ACEitup
PS next ride will be north
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 27, 2013, 05:10:55
I would... But it's an long ride from Brisbane


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: jarradschmarrad on Nov 27, 2013, 05:13:37
I cant make it this time, but will still be keen for the next!
Im in Newcastle btw.

JC
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 27, 2013, 05:34:04
not sure I can make it from the UK this weekend ;o)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 27, 2013, 06:14:37
not sure I can make it from the UK this weekend ;o)

Are you sure Mike, If you do go then I would appreciate a piggy back  ;D

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 27, 2013, 07:13:29
I smell the lack of commitment?
anyways pic's will b posted :)
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 27, 2013, 07:24:52


Hmmm I could possibly make it, if someone can lend me a bike ;o)


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 27, 2013, 07:30:41
Hmmm I could possibly make it, if someone can lend me a bike ;o)

You might be able to sneak Jessica aboard as hand luggage!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 27, 2013, 23:16:16
Hey all,
Bike is starting to loosen up!
 Clicked over 1000k today
and hit new top speed of 90k's
only mods to eng r iridium plug,
capped off egr and a
12mm hole in rear muffler
looking forward to loosing the cat soon!
So question?, after its removed ,
will it run ok without jet upgrade?
garage time poor at the mo!
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 27, 2013, 23:56:33
My next step is like you, I'll remove the cat and replace the muffler.  I've got the jets sitting there too ready to go in and hope to do both mods around Xmas. 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 28, 2013, 00:16:07
cutting off the cat on saturday morning
adding pipe and welding original muffler back on ( with the cat in it)
worried I'll  lose back pressure with a aftermarket
slip on? also dont want to be too loud!
see how it goes Sunday thru the nasho
I can always cut it off and add one later.
I have the choice of changing to a chinese mikuni carb or
re- jet original which I  ready also have upgrades
just need more time to fit :(
still havn't got to my front forks yet either

cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 28, 2013, 01:01:01
I'm not too worried about the back pressure side of things, I'm going for the slip on initially and will review.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 28, 2013, 03:14:28
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Hmmm I could possibly make it, if someone can lend me a bike ;o)



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Mikey ,  look's like your going to be square :o
it's going to sunny with blue skys
don't worry will find something from the old country and
take it on a ride with us
BTW wish my ride to work was half as good as yours
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 28, 2013, 05:35:18
Mikey ,  look's like your going to be square :o
it's going to sunny with blue skys
don't worry will find something from the old country and
take it on a ride with us
BTW wish my ride to work was half as good as yours
cheers ACEitup

Cheers dude :)

The first half of my daily commute is more mundane but that last 5 miles makes up for it especially on the days I get a clear run
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 28, 2013, 08:17:40
ace ..do the pipe..mine needs rejetting or at least needle moved up a bit.......but have a hard time keeping it under 90.   38 mm header that goes back past bracket and small megaphone (was baffled  at rear but has a hole through it now at aprox 18mm).see right through front to back.   not too loud . close to double the power i had  out of the box. Iridium plug is good. egr mod did little.
if you just take the front cat out i am sure you will get the biggest power gain you will have had to date.  it will always be a small 4 stroke single but there are gains to be had for little effort.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 28, 2013, 18:39:57
biggest difference i have noticed with removing egr is no longer need to use choke on starting.

cant wait to get rid of that cat...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 28, 2013, 23:21:29
get the biggest power gain you will have had to date.
It all set to go
losing the CAT!
bought a sexy 24inch megaphone
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 28, 2013, 23:22:55
no longer need to use choke on starting.


I can confirm that
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 29, 2013, 00:40:13
biggest difference i have noticed with removing egr is no longer need to use choke on starting.

I can confirm that

See page 7 (at bottom): http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=43357.90 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=43357.90)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 29, 2013, 00:43:58
See page 7 (at bottom): http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=43357.90 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=43357.90)

Crazy

Yeah I think i'll take it out when rejeting at Xmas. That's gotta be worth another 1hp!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 29, 2013, 01:39:51
Taking Jessica over the Cat & Fiddle which for those that don't know is officially Britains most dangerous road when it comes to accident stats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT4HpVmoaH0


Part of Jessicas first long trip :)

http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=2472043
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 29, 2013, 02:37:40
Looks like a enjoyable piece of road Mikey!

Jessica performed well; I don't know what to say about the weather except that you Brit riders are a stoical lot.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 29, 2013, 03:09:46
Looks like a enjoyable piece of road Mikey!

Jessica performed well; I don't know what to say about the weather except that you Brit riders are a stoical lot.

Crazy
Hey that was a nice day up there, at least it wasn't blowing a gale or snowing :)

For reference the Pub at the end is the second highest in Britain 1690 ft/ 515m above sea Level

Warrington is pretty much at Sea level & the point I started filming is about 800ft /243m above sea level
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 29, 2013, 03:54:42
Great ride, great video.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 29, 2013, 05:03:26
That's a long way down South on a little saddle Mike ! Have a good trip - weather doesn't look to be too bad  ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 29, 2013, 15:37:46
That's a long way down South on a little saddle Mike ! Have a good trip - weather doesn't look to be too bad  ;)

The seat was actually more comfortable than I thought it would be. Problem was my shoulders started to ache after about 90 miles but I think that was more down to the rucksack than anything.

/me makes mental note to post clothing ahead next time and not bring laptop lol
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 29, 2013, 17:21:20
That is an impressive trip on the Ace Mike - especially when you had the choice of the big uns !

Though I seem to have fun on the 125s now , my trip to Spain this year - not exactly on subject but..
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201349&page=468
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 29, 2013, 17:54:30
That is an impressive trip on the Ace Mike - especially when you had the choice of the big uns !

Though I seem to have fun on the 125s now , my trip to Spain this year - not exactly on subject but..
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201349&page=468

Glutton for punishment lol

Breakfast @ The Super Sausage tomrrow :)

Speaking of Spain & motorbikes, http://www.flybikefly.com/
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 29, 2013, 20:11:07
I thought I would spin the handlebar round for the dropped look, but the brake line hits top of the forks, any suggestions?
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 29, 2013, 21:27:37
Worked it out, had to compromise on how far I spun the bars but still looks much better, feels better too!

Duct tape on the bar works a treat too! Thanks for the suggestion Mike!
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 29, 2013, 21:34:53
Photos this time, much better now!

Might need to adjust the brake/clutch  lever position a bit, but it's bucketing down so no way to test properly yet!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 29, 2013, 22:43:32
… it's bucketing down so no way to test properly yet!

"Beautiful one day, perfect the next!"

Bars look good.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 29, 2013, 23:15:04
Haha yeah weather has been spot on all week, rain should be gone tomorrow.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Nov 29, 2013, 23:23:00
looks good chris.  i went back to stock bars this morning...clubman bars would be great on the track but gave me sore arms and shoulders ..felt like i was doing a handstand..might try mounting them in the tall position another day. 
 
  re jetted main and pilot, went to 48 \98.
plug does not show soot..starts much better on kick. much smoother and no burbling on deceleration .

happy so far. smacked in bar weights on original bars with air chisel..put bar end mirrors back on...looks good...

just need to do a 20km run to test.

off to Adelaide oval soon for a function..get to see new cricket ground up close. not open yet.

pete
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 29, 2013, 23:34:19
Never been happy with the angle of the master cylinder on the clip-ons.  Even with a slight overfill the piston is barely covered at full right lock:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUe-JqHkSpPj_0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

So a replacement was purchased (thanks s2c):

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcJK9cCZ1bNn0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Should fix the problem!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: MickyC on Nov 30, 2013, 00:36:18
nice! adjustable leavers too. great buy 
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 30, 2013, 02:25:54
Ok trying the valve clearances again, I've got the t mark in the little window aand the intake valve has gone done and up.

But when I try to get the feeler gauge in the gap... Well there is no gap!

Do I just undo the lock nut and the turn anti clockwise to adjust? Or am I missing something?
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 30, 2013, 02:27:14
Just realized I haven't removed the spark plug... My socket too big! This an issue too?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2013, 03:04:03
Well there is no gap!

I've heard others have had zero gap - just undo lock nut and slack off adjustment screw until you get the correct reading. Check again after re-tightening lock nut and re-do if necessary.

My socket too big!

Are you using a standard socket or a plug socket?

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 30, 2013, 03:04:53
Plug socket I have is 21mm... worried that compression in the chamber will hamper things if the plug is still in there.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2013, 03:06:41
You need an 18mm plug socket!

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 30, 2013, 03:18:39
Ok thanks... The clearance can't fuse together can it?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 30, 2013, 03:22:55
Photos this time, much better now!

Might need to adjust the brake/clutch  lever position a bit, but it's bucketing down so no way to test properly yet!

looks great,
wish I didn't have a dodgy neck
would do it too
THe CAT is Gone!
will post photos when Ive tidyed up a few things
and report on performance after tomorrows ride
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Nov 30, 2013, 03:30:28


Should fix the problem!

Crazy
Fitted yet?
c u tomoz
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2013, 03:59:33
Fitted yet?

Of course not!

I find it almost impossible to leave things as bought. Decided that black was not the colour I wanted so started to strip the powder coating. Have you ever tried to get PC of a complex cast shape?

I will need some more hours work before it's done.

See you at the servo.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2013, 04:02:50
The clearance can't fuse together can it?

Might lead to damage to the exhaust valve eventually …

Also increases wear.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 30, 2013, 04:52:24
been some busy little Bees on here overnight whilst I've been sleeping, anyone would think it was Sat down under  ;D

Srtoker , I'm really interested in whther those replacement levers make any difference to braking performance, cosmetically they're certainly nicer

Chris, you just need some clear indicators at the front there . ALso unless you've replaced the OEM plug with a NGK then the spark plug spanner from the toolkit will fit :)

Right just about to gte dressed and head the 170 odd miles (273km)  back home on Jessica
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 30, 2013, 06:05:11
been some busy little Bees on here overnight whilst I've been sleeping, anyone would think it was Sat down under  ;D

Chris, you just need some clear indicators at the front there . ALso unless you've replaced the OEM plug with a NGK then the spark plug spanner from the toolkit will fit :)

Right just about to gte dressed and head the 170 odd miles (273km)  back home on Jessica

Yeah just worked that out now... Maaaan. I'll finish the job tomorrow.

And I'm a bit different... I like the stock indicators!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2013, 07:33:38
I'm really interested in whther those replacement levers make any difference …

The remote reservoir is certainly going to help me relax about air in the line!
Hope you have reasonable weather for the return journey.

I like the stock indicators!

With you on the indicators … just going to de-chrome them.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 30, 2013, 09:16:35
So far the weather is glorious. This was my breakfast stop a little earlier

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Nov 30, 2013, 09:43:32
Excellent pic - she'll need a bath by the time she's home  :)

Got my documents - finally able to ride it soon........... :o
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 30, 2013, 13:59:13
Excellent pic - she'll need a bath by the time she's home  :)

Got my documents - finally able to ride it soon........... :o

That will be tomorrows treat for her


Todays trip home was slightly longer than the way down but its been a glorious day for riding. Blue skies & just got a touch crisp coming back over the cat & fiddle as the sun started setting

(http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/SAM_0901.JPG)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Nov 30, 2013, 14:17:39
So far the weather is glorious. This was my breakfast stop a little earlier

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Sounds like a great ride Mike, I'm jealous. I went to the motorcycle show at the NEC yesterday. Lots of nice bikes but no SkyTeam Ace  :(

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 30, 2013, 14:29:34
Sounds like a great ride Mike, I'm jealous. I went to the motorcycle show at the NEC yesterday. Lots of nice bikes but no SkyTeam Ace  :(

Wayne


To Quote Skyteam UKs Facebook page in response to their post about being at the Motorhome show last week I think it was:

Quote

Skyteam UK I'm Afraid not this year, We are going to concentrate on the start of the biking season, and more importantly ensuring our dealers are ready and up to date




https://www.facebook.com/SkyteamMotorcycles
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 30, 2013, 14:36:47


Hi Alan  Sorry for delay in posting but work took over for a week - I have taken the carb off and there is no number on the pilot that I can see.  I took it out and checked all over but nothing I'm afraid.  I measured the bore and it is 26mm - Ooracing say that it does not give an overall power increase but is better mid range and easier to tune.  There looks to be enough meat on it to bore it out a bit though, although I am not really after max power just a nice little bike - The smaller carb should signal sooner and make it easier to ride.

I am loving the videos of mikey's Ace!  The sound takes me straight back to 17 and skiving off school on my old '79 XL125 with my mate Jock on his DT175 Yam.  Cheers!

Now for a bit of help - I have got the bike running but it won't stop! Kill switch is no good and neither is the key.  It's fingers down the carb! Has any one got a wiring diagram for these bikes?  I'll get back in't shed and carry on but I am wondering if Ooracings black box by passes the switches.

Also question for Dan - where did you get those stickers for your tank?  Would you be offended if I copied your scheme?  I think they look great!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 30, 2013, 14:40:23

--8<--

I am loving the videos of mikey's Ace!  The sound takes me straight back to 17 and skiving off school on my old '79 XL125 with my mate Jock on his DT175 Yam.  Cheers!

Now for a bit of help - I have got the bike running but it won't stop! Kill switch is no good and neither is the key.  It's fingers down the carb! Has any one got a wiring diagram for these bikes?  I'll get back in't shed and carry on but I am wondering if Ooracings black box by passes the switches.

--8<--

Cheers Dave, uploading another one at the moment.

Wirring diagram Sir :)

http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/AceWiring.png
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 30, 2013, 14:45:01
Cheers Dave, uploading another one at the moment.

Wirring diagram Sir :)

http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/AceWiring.png

Top Man - Once more into the shed dear friends......
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 30, 2013, 17:37:29
Jessica playing in a bit of traffic on the way towards Matlock Bath earlier today

(youtube may still processing the Higher Quality version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqiZEmbJxjE
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Nov 30, 2013, 18:40:42
10 minutes with Mikey's wiring diagram and it's sorted - a loose wire into the CDI unit.  thank you!  Like the new vid.  Nice bit of road that - done it many times.  i wonder what the guy on the Brit bike thought when you past him?   
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Nov 30, 2013, 18:52:20
10 minutes with Mikey's wiring diagram and it's sorted - a loose wire into the CDI unit.  thank you!  Like the new vid.  Nice bit of road that - done it many times.  i wonder what the guy on the Brit bike thought when you past him?
Bemused probably :)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Nov 30, 2013, 19:05:07
Well got the spark plug out and adjusted the valve clearances but now the rocker noise is much louder so I think I've botched and will have to check again...

Also stripped a bolt... One of the four that hold onto the sky team Logo plate.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 30, 2013, 22:31:14
Three Ace's made a run through the Royal National Park this morning (would have been four but JP's bike had a comprehensively flat tyre). If a single Ace attracts attention, three of them are impossible to resist!

Parked at Bald Hill:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdE7LbRQfj1aU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 00:55:14
Checked clearances again and made sure I took into account the play of the rocker against the push rod and she's all apples. 

Interesting before fiddling my intake clearance was perfect but exhaust had no clearance!

Now to work out the stripped bolt hole.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 00:55:33

Three Ace's made a run through the Royal National Park this morning (would have been four but JP's bike had a comprehensively flat tyre). If a single Ace attracts attention, three of them are impossible to resist!

Parked at Bald Hill:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdE7LbRQfj1aU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy

Great day for it!
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 02:05:23
As promised, this is my dodgy stand fabricated from the original crate.

Almost straight!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 01, 2013, 03:27:27
… she's all apples.

Glad you got it sorted!

Next time will be much easier.  What's your plan for the stripped thread?

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: jarradschmarrad on Dec 01, 2013, 03:38:00
The 3 aces look great together!


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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 03:41:09

Glad you got it sorted!

Next time will be much easier.  What's your plan for the stripped thread?

Crazy

I have access to a tap and die set, but I might just take it somewhere to do it. Safer. 

Did a 5km test ride sans one bolt and there was no oil leaking but will keep an eye on it.

Dropped bars is very different riding position.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 01, 2013, 03:45:17
Three Ace's made a run through the Royal National Park

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdE7LbRQfj1aU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Its true ACEs turned heads this morning  8)
with standard questions answered 
There was some fuel consumption issues'
well you can forget to fill up after 3-400 clicks ?
Traffic was light and  the Aces where ridden at pace :o
We stopped and had quick debrief
and made future plans for the next Ace ride
Cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 01, 2013, 04:04:09
CAT removed ;D
header pipe extended and megaphone fitted
bought a smile to my face immediately
with power increase but was surprised
top speed still 90 k's?
Will finish off pipe with a titanium wrap
also might have to tinker with baffle?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 01, 2013, 05:25:03
I would have insisted on lining them up neatly facing outwards  ;D
Title: Anyone here from Brisbane?
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 01, 2013, 07:50:59
Is anyone here in the Brisbane area?

Someone off a Bird forum is considering selling his ZZR1100 to fund an Ace :)

Ah just realised ChrisBNE is up there, will tell Ian to set an account up & get in touch
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: bubonicplay on Dec 01, 2013, 10:27:21
Not sure where this is mentioned but what kind of shocks are you running?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 01, 2013, 12:37:45
Not sure where this is mentioned but what kind of shocks are you running?
I'm running these (also available in other colour ways)


http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4630
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 16:26:33

Is anyone here in the Brisbane area?

Someone off a Bird forum is considering selling his ZZR1100 to fund an Ace :)

Ah just realised ChrisBNE is up there, will tell Ian to set an account up & get in touch

Yep I am :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 17:59:34
CAT removed ;D
header pipe extended and megaphone fitted
bought a smile to my face immediately
with power increase but was surprised
top speed still 90 k's?
Will finish off pipe with a titanium wrap
also might have to tinker with baffle?
cheers ACEitup

On the flat/freeway I can do 100-105 and only stock intake/exhaust...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 01, 2013, 18:46:46
I can do 100-105
Quote from: ChrisBNE link=opic=43357.msg627388#msg627388 date=1385935174
must be my 85kegs slowing it up
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 19:02:56
I'm same weight as you buddy and I'm a broad mofo.  Don't get me wrong, as soon as a hill comes along all bets are off! 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 01, 2013, 19:09:30
I'm same weight as you buddy and I'm a broad mofo.  Don't get me wrong, as soon as a hill comes along all bets are off!

If it makes you feel better (or worse) I'm around 107kg fully suited & booted and can get a steady 63/64mph (approx 100kph) on the flat

Uphill, well you've seen my video on the Cat & Fiddle (few posts back, speeds shown in mph) which was an 800 ft (243m) climb over 6.3 miles (10.1km)


http://goo.gl/maps/jAuBF


EDIT:
 
Just checked and allowing for the time until I started moving & slowing to turn into the pub car park I did it in exactly the time Google says it takes :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 01, 2013, 20:41:23
Hi guys,

Haven't been following the thread for a while, need to catch up on it.

Anyway my Ace has finally arrived!!! Stoked!!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 01, 2013, 20:49:08
I like the black too. I'd love to pull the fenders off, shorten the front one and paint the tank/sides black.

Welcome to the club and enjoy!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 01, 2013, 22:45:38
Stoked!!!

Success at last!

Hope to see you on a run soon.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 01, 2013, 23:57:09
Anyway my Ace has finally arrived!!! Stoked!!!

cool, now the fun starts !

Crazy, do you know where that red screen came from in the photo ? looks good.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 02, 2013, 00:00:05
you dont need the whole of the ooracing kit unless you want to get it all, you can make do just getting the jets , the blanking plate and a front sprocket with 17 teeth, then you dont need to shorten the chain, which you need to do if you change the rear to a smaller one.

I am ordering the stuff from OORacing you have recommended:

- Product Code: 7329 - EGR Cylinder head exhaust emission blanking plate
- Product Code: 8685 - Re jet kit for Skyteam ACE 125 using standard air box

But I am not sure which sprocket is the right one:

Product Code: 0957 - 14T 15T 16T 17T 18T 428P 17mm shaft Front Sprocket (17T)
or
Product Code: 0960  - 15T 16T 17T 428P 20mm shaft Front Sprocket (17T)?

Also I would like to put on new set of tires (it was quite wet when I took her for the first ride and had quite nasty rear wheel skid), but I would like something a little bit chunkier - do you guys think I can put front 3.00 and rear 3.50 on? Or it must be 2.75 front and 3.00 rear? Any suggestion which tires to choose? I would like something classic looking - TT100 pattern kinda style - I was thinking Dunlop K82, but not sure whether you can get these here in Oz/

Thanks for your help!

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 02, 2013, 00:01:52
Hope to see you on a run soon.

Yep keen to ride with you guys too, but need to practice before a group ride ;-)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 00:13:10
I am ordering the stuff from OORacing you have recommended:

- Product Code: 7329 - EGR Cylinder head exhaust emission blanking plate
- Product Code: 8685 - Re jet kit for Skyteam ACE 125 using standard air box

But I am not sure which sprocket is the right one:

Product Code: 0957 - 14T 15T 16T 17T 18T 428P 17mm shaft Front Sprocket (17T)
or
Product Code: 0960  - 15T 16T 17T 428P 20mm shaft Front Sprocket (17T)?

Also I would like to put on new set of tires (it was quite wet when I took her for the first ride and had quite nasty rear wheel skid), but I would like something a little bit chunkier - do you guys think I can put front 3.00 and rear 3.50 on? Or it must be 2.75 front and 3.00 rear? Any suggestion which tires to choose? I would like something classic looking - TT100 pattern kinda style - I was thinking Dunlop K82, but not sure whether you can get these here in Oz/

Thanks for your help!

Thomas

Does kit with all this in it include that detail? http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4299
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 02, 2013, 00:15:44
I am ordering the stuff from OORacing you have recommended:

....
But I am not sure which sprocket is the right one:

Product Code: 0957 - 14T 15T 16T 17T 18T 428P 17mm shaft Front Sprocket (17T)
or
Product Code: 0960  - 15T 16T 17T 428P 20mm shaft Front Sprocket (17T)?
....

Thomas

looking at other listings on ooracing it seems that the 125 has a 20mm shaft for the sprocket.

http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4639

dont know 100% maybe someone else here knows.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 02, 2013, 02:37:41
I'm same weight as you buddy
Anyone got any suggestions? as to
why I'm not achieving similar results?
I no its not the brakes ;D
I havn't rejetted yet and new muffler is  reasonably quiet until you rev hard
emgo 24" megaphone
and engine does have a slight flat spot, more so when cold
Are you guys running those CDI things?
still have a standard sprocket and a capped off egr
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 02:39:22
only done EGR valve.

have you checked tire pressures? could make a difference, as at that velocity every little bit counts.

I haven't replaced the bolt I stripped last night, could be that weight reduction!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 02, 2013, 02:41:02
that red screen
I think Wayne got that from Thailand'
will ask for you
ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 02, 2013, 02:41:46
Ahhh the joys of only weighing 62kg :P
hills are still like hitting a brick wall..
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 02, 2013, 02:42:31
I think Wayne got that from Thailand'
will ask for you
ACEitup

thanks mate !
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 02:44:31
Ahhh the joys of only weighing 62kg :P
hills are still like hitting a brick wall..

haha yep, I was heading up a hill yesterday with full throttle in 3rd yesterday, engine roaring and still slowing down...  all part of the charm I say.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 02, 2013, 02:47:55
haha yep, I was heading up a hill yesterday with full throttle in 3rd yesterday, engine roaring and still slowing down...  all part of the charm I say.

yeah ive got a christmas charity ride this weekend near me, most of the ride is round the bottom of the alpine road.. half uphill in a 100km zone.. ill be at the back screaming like a banshee and still only doing 75kph.. lol.
it is part of the fun :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 02, 2013, 02:50:47

 could be that weight reduction!!
???? 20kegs of bolts to match mikey thou :D
maybe if I drop the bars and wear lyrca
Or just be fast like this guy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 02:52:10
Wish we had rear disks like that :(
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 02, 2013, 03:09:06
Yep the front sprocket is the 20mm version - like in the JT catalogue here http://www.jtsprockets.com/catalogue/sprocket/JTF259-17 , though at about 90kg I will be going for a 16T  ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 02, 2013, 04:17:35
Hi All

Regarding the top speed/sprockets/how fat we are, subject.  In the past I built a racer (  unsuitable bike + ignorance = fun) and I was lucky to get advice from some good folk and they told me the facts that I needed

You cannot go faster (top speed) unless you increase revs or gear up
Saving weight can only increase your acceleration - most efficient way to loose weight is have a piss before you set off
However if you increase the power of your engine (but not the revs) and loose some weight you can gear the bike up to take advantage and gain speed

This is basically it in a nutshell - we got an MZ 125 to do well over the ton, weigh 75kg, make 19BHP at the rear wheel, do stoppies and out accelerate plenty of bigger bikes - having said that on most circuits we geared it to do more like 90mph.  We were fortunate in that we have an insane midget to ride it......ran out of gearbox in the end..

hope this helps

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 02, 2013, 06:02:21
You cannot go faster (top speed) unless you increase revs or gear up
Saving weight can only increase your acceleration - most efficient way to loose weight is have a piss before you set off
However if you increase the power of your engine (but not the revs) and loose some weight you can gear the bike up to take advantage and gain speed

Concisely put Dave!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 02, 2013, 08:39:35
was looking at my original pipe this morning and noticed something that may make you guy want to change header pipe section. 
mine was cut up near the front  top bend and found that when the pipe was bent the inner wall pipe had"bunched up" inside the bend causing a 50% reduction in flow in the pipe. not a good thing.i think if you run a wire down the pipe from the manifold end you may find the same thing.
 the would cause a reduction to flow similar to jake brake or exhaust choke.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Dec 02, 2013, 14:37:34
A couple of guys have asked general questions that I can add to the mix.

top speed is governed by rpm & gearing.
The time it takes getting up to top speed that is power to weight ratio.

So given a long flat highway no matter what you weigh, you should be able to achieve top speed of 100/105kph.

My ace took 250km from new to loose up enough to wind out to 100kph (I weight 97kg)

font tyre - you can't go bigger than 2.75 other wise you'll start rubbing the front guard stays (even my michelin sporty 2.75 I had to bend the stays out a little). not sure of the rear, but I would stick to a 3.00

my front wheel is still out of round after a tire change :-( have to work out how to retension the spokes, or try to get warranty.

Sent from my XT925 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 02, 2013, 14:59:05
The figure below tie in with my experience

8500RPM & she will touch 64mph/102kph on the flat (speedo is calibrated against GPS). I have seen 72mpg (115kph) on a long downhill stretch

(search for Skyteam Ace 125 at http://woodsware.aciwebs.com/gears/ if you want to experiment with changing tyre sizes/gear ratios)

I'm happy with the punch I get from my current setup (standard gearing, non cat sports exhaust, egr removed, performance air filter, upgraded coil, CDI, iridium plug). If I want raw speed I take the Bird out :)

(for better pic goto http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/gears.jpg

(http://www.sharetheexperience.co.uk/ACE/images/gears.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Onform on Dec 02, 2013, 16:18:41
Hi, I'm new here.

I'm loving the look of this bike. My cbt is being booked as we speak so I should be placing an order very soon.

How many uk ace owners do we have in here?

Matt
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 02, 2013, 16:20:52
Hi, I'm new here.

I'm loving the look of this bike. My cbt is being booked as we speak so I should be placing an order very soon.

How many uk ace owners do we have in here?

Matt


There's a couple of us floating around :)

I'm up in Warrington, whereabouts are you matt (& welcome aboard)
Title: Ace Owner Locater
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 02, 2013, 16:34:11
If anyone would like to be added to the Ace Owner Locater (wot I have just created) then mail me at mike.ace@sharetheexperience.co.uk with the following details

1) Town/Village name & country (if more than one then provide extra detail such as post code/zip code of a central location/landmark/civil building near you I will however pin to a generic location)
2) Your real name
3) Your DTT forum name
4) Subject "Ace Owner Locater Add"



http://tinyurl.com/aceownerlocater
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 02, 2013, 16:35:01
Hi, I'm new here.

I'm loving the look of this bike. My cbt is being booked as we speak so I should be placing an order very soon.

How many uk ace owners do we have in here?

Matt

Hi Matt - I'm an UK owner of 3 weeks - but not ridden mine yet while I waited for the registration to get sorted !
Since then I've been diverted by other stuff .
I'm in Mid Bedfordshire
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Onform on Dec 02, 2013, 16:45:28
I'm down South, North herts.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Shakey456 on Dec 02, 2013, 17:17:11
Hi everyone,
Great forum thread ... keep up the great work.
Took delivery of my Ace 125 just over a week ago ... all your fault Mikey as I am also a Blackbird owner and spotted your post on the Blackbird owners forum !!
Not actually ridden the bike yet ..... too much salt on the road for my liking !!
Work done so far includes : EGR blanked ; exhaust decatted and Dunstall replica silencer fitted (great throaty sound) ; carb re-jetted ; iridium plug ; optimate connector wired in ; mirrors replaced ; stickers removed and smaller 'show plate' added.
Have just ordered the piggy back shocks from ooracing and also a new R/H side panel (managed to snap one of the lugs off !!).
Last thing on 'immediate list' to do is to replace the oil in the front forks and add the spacers (kit on ooracing) .. anyone done this already and if so is it an easy job ?
This bike is addictive !! :)
I live in Derby (UK) .... great roads nearby in the Peak District and also not far from Matlock Bath

Martyn
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 02, 2013, 17:19:23
Hi everyone,
Great forum thread ... keep up the great work.
Took delivery of my Ace 125 just over a week ago ... all your fault Mikey as I am also a Blackbird owner and spotted your post on the Blackbird owners forum !!
Not actually ridden the bike yet ..... too much salt on the road for my liking !!
Work done so far includes : EGR blanked ; exhaust decatted and Dunstall replica silencer fitted (great throaty sound) ; carb re-jetted ; iridium plug ; optimate connector wired in ; mirrors replaced ; stickers removed and smaller 'show plate' added.
Have just ordered the piggy back shocks from ooracing and also a new R/H side panel (managed to snap one of the lugs off !!).
Last thing on 'immediate list' to do is to replace the oil in the front forks and add the spacers (kit on ooracing) .. anyone done this already and if so is it an easy job ?
This bike is addictive !! :)
I live in Derby (UK) .... great roads nearby in the Peak District and also not far from Matlock Bath

Martyn

Whoops you appear to be the second Blackbird owner I'm responsible for converting lol
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 02, 2013, 17:31:19
Last thing on 'immediate list' to do is to replace the oil in the front forks and add the spacers (kit on ooracing) .. anyone done this already and if so is it an easy job ?

Martyn

I did it and it's not that hard to do. It just need some time because you have to remove front wheel, brake etc.
But once you have removed the two forks legs it's quite easy and doesn't take long.
I think the whole procedure took me less than 3 hours.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Dec 02, 2013, 17:47:30
How awesome is Ikonik in Perth! I asked them what I can do with my front wheel that has been buckled from new, and they are going to post me another wheel!!

Top work fellas!

Also (I think I asked this on another thread) can someone get me the dimensions of the fork spacer used to stiffen up the front suspension. $50 is a bit steep for a couple of bits of plastic that I can make for< $5 here in OZ.

Cheers, Stevo.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 02, 2013, 17:49:56
Also (I think I asked this on another thread) can someone get me the dimensions of the fork spacer used to stiffen up the front suspension. $50 is a bit steep for a couple of bits of plastic that I can make for< $5 here in OZ.

They are 2.54 cm. Made of steel. However I agree it's very expensive for what it is.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Just Dan on Dec 02, 2013, 18:08:59
I made spacers for by using old cheapie sockets about 20 mm high. Placed them under the fork cap. Does just enough to stiffen up the forks on the bumpy roads around here.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 02, 2013, 18:14:10
also worthwhile putting 30w oil in there :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 18:33:39
How awesome is Ikonik in Perth! I asked them what I can do with my front wheel that has been buckled from new, and they are going to post me another wheel!!

Top work fellas!

Also (I think I asked this on another thread) can someone get me the dimensions of the fork spacer used to stiffen up the front suspension. $50 is a bit steep for a couple of bits of plastic that I can make for< $5 here in OZ.

Cheers, Stevo.

They are fantastic.  I broke something when setting mine up and they couried a replacement part overnight FOC.  great service.
Title: Re: Ace Owner Locater
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 18:35:37
If anyone would like to be added to the Ace Owner Locater (wot I have just created) then mail me at mike.ace@sharetheexperience.co.uk with the following details

1) Town/Village name & country (if more than one then provide extra detail such as post code/zip code of a central location/landmark/civil building near you I will however pin to a generic location)
2) Your real name
3) Your DTT forum name
4) Subject "Ace Owner Locater Add"





http://tinyurl.com/aceownerlocater

Sent.
Title: Ace Owners Net
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 02, 2013, 19:36:12
Hi Guys,

I think it's becoming apparent that this thread, useful though it is,  is getting to the point that its starting to become hard to navigate.


With that in mind I have a domain name that I have set up and am currentyl evaluating soem forum software.

Currently you should be able to register accounts and post in the suggestions & feedback forum.

Please let me know there what you think and lets see if we can grow it together


Mike

http://www.aceowners.net/


 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 21:13:17
been thinking the same too - would be good to have a central point to access information.

That being said, this thread has a great organic and collaborative dynamic that would be challenging to recreate.  If would be time consuming to take all the information from this thread and reorganise into a FAQ style document, not impossible to do though. 

Good idea though!
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 02, 2013, 22:48:20
Recorded my ride home vis iphone gps, top speed of 108...

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 02, 2013, 23:50:14
looking at other listings on ooracing it seems that the 125 has a 20mm shaft for the sprocket.

http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4639

dont know 100% maybe someone else here knows.

I might just remove the EGR and re-jet the carb.

Btw somebody might find this useful:

Honda CG 125 Owners workshop manual:
http://www.caraudiobrasil.com/acervo/biblioteca/Veiculos/CG125/Haynes_Honda_CG125%20owners%20workshop%20manual.pdf
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 03, 2013, 00:50:10
I use something from the swimming pool suppliers on my side cover pins so they come off easily...called superlube and is an oring lubricant. still grip in but come out when you want them to.

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 03, 2013, 01:03:00
Recorded my ride home vis iphone gps, top speed of 108...
good to see someone else getting it out there.
Title: Re: Ace Owners Net
Post by: WJPez on Dec 03, 2013, 02:02:10
Hi Guys,

I think it's becoming apparent that this thread, useful though it is,  is getting to the point that its starting to become hard to navigate.


With that in mind I have a domain name that I have set up and am currentyl evaluating soem forum software.

Currently you should be able to register accounts and post in the suggestions & feedback forum.

Please let me know there what you think and lets see if we can grow it together


Mike

http://www.aceowners.net/


Well done Mike. I hope to be an owner in the new year. I think I will wait until the 14 plates are out.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 03, 2013, 03:15:42
been thinking the same too - would be good to have a central point to access information.

That being said, this thread has a great organic and collaborative dynamic that would be challenging to recreate.  If would be time consuming to take all the information from this thread and reorganise into a FAQ style document, not impossible to do though. 

Good idea though!

Hi Chris

exacly why I've linked to it :)

Wasn't expecting to take all the info & create an FAQ (although there's a thought) was rather thinking that peeps could start creating on the fly
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tim on Dec 03, 2013, 10:34:15
If you guys want/need some additional categories under a Skyteam Ace area, I can help out with that, but am totally supportive of people setting up new sites of course too!  Just let me know how I can lend a hand.

I can create a SkyTeam Ace section like we have for different geographical areas and then sub-boards in there for different topics of discussion specific to the Ace.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Dec 03, 2013, 11:47:47
That would be really great Tim. :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tim on Dec 03, 2013, 11:55:14
The reason I've never created model-specific areas is 90% of what we talk about and the tips/tricks people share are valuable to everyone, not just SR500, XS650, CB750 etc. owners.  But, we have started many region-specific sections up, and I've given lots of thoughts to having other 'group'-specific areas if people wanted them.  Be they local clubs or folks like all of you with the Ace (I really want one myself).

So - if the group wants it, I'm happy to set it up.  But I don't want to step on anyone's toes.  Just want to make it as convenient for you all as possible.  I'll create an area and move this thread into it.  You can then create other threads for different topics, and I can create sub-boards if you like.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 03, 2013, 12:09:00
Hi Tim

hadn't thought oof asking someone here nicely to be honest, just floating a few ideas around.

A section of a well established forum would certainly be great and I doubt anyone would complain  8)

Mike
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 03, 2013, 15:19:57
I'm up for a move!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: jarradschmarrad on Dec 03, 2013, 17:36:26
Hi all.
My thoughts are that an Ace specific forum or area of DTT would be a good place to sort out posts via topic.
This thread is getting BIG.

On another note, a while ago when i 1st bought my ACE i was doing some searches on the net, trying to track down any spare part, "performance" parts etc. One result which kept appearing was something about "Snake Motors". I think theyre a Japanese company, and i dont know if theyre a off shoot of the same company producing the SkyTeam, but they were making their own vintage looking bike, the "Kitano"
http://www.snakemotors.com/index.html

(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9355/cdvc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/cdvc.jpg/)

Nice enough.

I stumbled upon their site yesterday and they were toting a new model coming out soon.
I had a closer look, and its a 250cc ACE with a full front fairing!!! Slightly different tank also.
Have look at this. Looks just perfect.
I'd love to know if you could somehow get your hands on one of either the tanks or the fairings from "Snake Motors"
The removal of that rear guard makes so much difference.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/7092/0wri.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/0wri.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img811/4943/9w6o.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/9w6o.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img716/1697/l76g.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/l76g.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img441/9067/hoay.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/hoay.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img837/5273/znrz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/znrz.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img199/9808/6nmo.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/199/6nmo.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/91/78ga.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/78ga.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img542/8094/rvgr.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/rvgr.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img41/9918/jdbw.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/jdbw.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img440/7430/ypw5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/ypw5.jpg/)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Dec 03, 2013, 18:30:31
*drool*
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 03, 2013, 18:32:56
Hi Folks

The Snake Motors bike looks ace!   

Went out on mine for the first time tonight - 150cc of raw power!

Initial impressions are:-

I'm fat....
Balls to how it looks - them handle bars are getting moved back up......
The rear brake is truly crap....
I'd better be more careful on roundabouts coz it doesn't set off like me Harley!

Loved it though - I will strip the rear wheel and check the shoes, already moved the bars after calling at friend Patch's on the way home for emergency brew and borrowing his spannners.  Loads better.

As far as moving or altering this forum goes I'm all for anything that keeps it going.  It's nice to be able to share stuff - especially when it's all about putting in and helping like minded people.  I appreciate the efforts of those who do more than just post - thank you.

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 03, 2013, 19:08:17
That looks fantastic, I'm very tempted to remove the rear guard too but as mine is a daily ride I need to be covered for rain/hail/shine.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 03, 2013, 19:08:55
I'm up for a move!

Crazy

Agree.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 03, 2013, 19:10:56
has anybody noticed we've been moved?

Cheers Tim
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 03, 2013, 19:11:47
Yep, just noticed that too. 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tim on Dec 03, 2013, 19:16:09
Yup - you guys can create brand new topics within the area of course, and if you want I can create entire sub-sections within the space for different discussions like I have the rest of the site organized if you want SkyTeam specific selling threads etc.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 03, 2013, 19:29:56
Yup - you guys can create brand new topics within the area of course, and if you want I can create entire sub-sections within the space for different discussions like I have the rest of the site organized if you want SkyTeam specific selling threads etc.

Again Thanks Tim


All rather than mudd this thread I've created a new one to discuss  in http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?board=101.0
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 04, 2013, 03:16:12
I really want one myself.

Applause to mikeyw64 for his initiative in setting up web services for the Ace.

One model sites can get somewhat blinkered. Our presence here on DTT exposes us to a whole world of ideas and expertise.
Many 'Ace' owners are like myself in that while we enjoy the Ace for what it is, we have wider interests in the world of motorcycling.
DTT caters to us all.

Tim - I don't know what the problem is with distributors in the USofA and Canuckistan, but you would think importing the 'Ace' would be a winner.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 04, 2013, 04:18:57

One model sites can get somewhat blinkered. Our presence here on DTT exposes us to a whole world of ideas and expertise.
Many 'Ace' owners are like myself in that while we enjoy the Ace for what it is, we have wider interests in the world of motorcycling.
DTT caters to us all.

Crazy

Word.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 05, 2013, 03:20:39
Hey all,
New tail lights just arrived from my fav shopping place!
china  ;)
did I see a wiring diagram on here somewhere?
Was it you mikey?
thxs in advance
my job list is getting bigger
don't now if I want it rain on weekends or not any more!
Ace addicted  ;D
Not Blog savvy enough to start making new sub-board for it , if that's
what u call it?
Will do a step by step on front shock upgrade
too , weather pending
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 05, 2013, 03:23:45
Hey all,
New tail lights just arrived from my fav shopping place!
china  ;)
did I see a wiring diagram on here somewhere?
Was it you mikey?
thxs in advance
my job list is getting bigger
don't now if I want it rain on weekends or not any more!
Ace addicted  ;D
Not Blog savvy enough to start making new sub-board for it , if that's
what u call it?
Will do a step by step on front shock upgrade
too , weather pending
cheers ACEitup

the user manual has a wiring diagram folded up in the back as well
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 05, 2013, 03:25:14
Hey all,
New tail lights just arrived from my fav shopping place!
china  ;)
did I see a wiring diagram on here somewhere?
Was it you mikey?
thxs in advance
my job list is getting bigger
don't now if I want it rain on weekends or not any more!
Ace addicted  ;D
Not Blog savvy enough to start making new sub-board for it , if that's
what u call it?
Will do a step by step on front shock upgrade
too , weather pending
cheers ACEitup

Added as  a new thread

When your in the index at http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?board=101.0 just click on New Topic  & fill in the blanks :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 05, 2013, 03:31:29
the user manual has a wiring diagram folded up in the back as well
thxs Sprocket
when all else fails read the manual
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: jarradschmarrad on Dec 05, 2013, 05:32:05
Any chance i can get my thread pushed over to the DTT SkyTeam Ace area?

http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=53083

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 05, 2013, 08:09:00
Tim has been sent a PM.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 05, 2013, 18:08:55
Has anyone in the UK managed to get a replacement front pipe made up ? Was considering just buying a CG125 pattern exhaust to saw the chrome front pipe off = downpipe & no cat , chrome for about £50 seems a decent plan on the face of it ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 05, 2013, 18:13:54
Has anyone in the UK managed to get a replacement front pipe made up ? Was considering just buying a CG125 pattern exhaust to saw the chrome front pipe off = downpipe & no cat , chrome for about £50 seems a decent plan on the face of it ?

see http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=55481.new#new
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 06, 2013, 03:34:15
Thought I'd post some pictures - unfortunately they have to be 'in shed' for now as we are having some 'bad weather' and by the time I am home it is dark.

They should show my idea of a tidy rear, raised headlamp, the chunky good looks of  China's finest 150cc and the indicators I fitted - which seem to be like the standard ones fitted to bikes in Oz.....

I'll try for outside pics this weekend

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 06, 2013, 03:52:46
looking good, im pretty sure the indicators here in OZ dont look like your new ones, they are the same as the stock ones else where. i just painted mine black :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 06, 2013, 03:58:24
the indicators I fitted …

They look very similar to the units on the original Dream, if I remember correctly.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 06, 2013, 03:59:18
Have I mentioned I like clear indicators  8)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 06, 2013, 04:03:06
They look very similar to the units on the original Dream, if I remember correctly.

Crazy
yeah they do a little bit
(http://www.japsirauta.fi/DSC02335.JPG)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 06, 2013, 04:43:45
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/chuckactor/Honda%20Dream%2050/DSC_0534_1200x803.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 06, 2013, 05:03:06
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/chuckactor/Honda%20Dream%2050/DSC_0534_1200x803.jpg)

looks like that ones sporting an after market oil cooler .
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 06, 2013, 05:17:54
Pardon My ignorance, why is there twin exhaust headers outlets into one?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 06, 2013, 05:25:19
Pardon My ignorance, why is there twin exhaust headers outlets into one?
the honda dream 50 engine is a  dohc and has twin exhaust ports.  the stock exhaust is a twin system, this one is after market.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: musket the dog on Dec 06, 2013, 13:18:12
Hi everybody,

First post here but I've spent the past week or so going through this topic, lots and great advice and experience. The Ace is my first bike and I've only put around 500 miles on her so far but loving every minute of it, only getting better as she's breaking in too. I've not made any changes yet (apart from de-stickering the side pods and seat) but I have a few modification planned for over the winter. So far I have the tuning kit on order from OORacing, new front and rear lights in the post and I think I will look into the rear shocks and exhaust next when I have a bit of money together as I'm finding it quite bouncy on the lanes where I live.

Also the mirrors have to go, does anyone know if the stock bars will accept bar-end units? Currently at Uni away from my bike so I can't check for myself. Out of interest, my bike arrived with the EGR system already removed and blanked off, is this standard for UK bikes?

Many thanks,
Ricky
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 06, 2013, 13:25:11

Also the mirrors have to go, does anyone know if the stock bars will accept bar-end units?

yeah the bars accept standard 7/8 bar ends, but there is a metal plug in the end of the bars, you cant drill it out its too hard , just get a socket extension and hammer and bash then into the bars.but it takes a bit of effort to do.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 06, 2013, 13:35:09
Hi Ricky

Whats that under carriage - a Vulcan?   As far as I know the EGR unit is standard on UK bikes..
Re indicators - mine came with some hideous cheap tin things that looked like small bean tins with an orange end.
The original Dream is a nice thing....but I wonder why they only did a fifty...probably something to do with Honda heritage.
I am going to strip my rear brake this weekend - Has anyone any experience of why it could be so crap?  Luckily for me I live near Saftek who can reline them if needed but it may be easier to buy new Honda ones if I know they'll fit..

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 06, 2013, 13:47:57
I am going to strip my rear brake this weekend - Has anyone any experience of why it could be so crap?  Luckily for me I live near Saftek who can reline them if needed but it may be easier to buy new Honda ones if I know they'll fit..

it looks like the rear wheel is a honda cg (93 model) knock off if you go by the parts views for each one.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 06, 2013, 13:50:33
Hi everybody,

First post here but I've spent the past week or so going through this topic, lots and great advice and experience. The Ace is my first bike and I've only put around 500 miles on her so far but loving every minute of it, only getting better as she's breaking in too. I've not made any changes yet (apart from de-stickering the side pods and seat) but I have a few modification planned for over the winter. So far I have the tuning kit on order from OORacing, new front and rear lights in the post and I think I will look into the rear shocks and exhaust next when I have a bit of money together as I'm finding it quite bouncy on the lanes where I live.

Also the mirrors have to go, does anyone know if the stock bars will accept bar-end units? Currently at Uni away from my bike so I can't check for myself. Out of interest, my bike arrived with the EGR system already removed and blanked off, is this standard for UK bikes?

Many thanks,
Ricky

Victor??

Welcome Ricky

Bar mirrors yes you just have to hit the weights in with a hammer
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 06, 2013, 14:10:20
I like my shiny "bean tins"  ;)

I think I read that the EBC H303 "one size fits all" shoes fit the Ace http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBC-H303-MOTORCYCLE-BRAKE-SHOES-/190836972033?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2c6ec51a01

When I had a look at mine they looked very dirty for a bike that had done no miles - I cleaned them up with a file and degreased the inside of the drum - will see how they are now before replacing if needed .

And for fronts I got these :FA165 
EBC FA165HH for the brake pads. I am also keen to see how it goes with the upgrade.

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 06, 2013, 14:22:48
I like my shiny "bean tins"  ;)

Oops!  :D  Sorry Bojer!  Thanks for the link and the info - I'll have mine in bits tomorrow and report back.

Because I am particularly slow on the up take I have only just looked at Mikey's web site - Fab - I'll email my location at some point.

Regarding the UK meet in 2014  where would it likely be? Just a meet or camping...

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 06, 2013, 18:59:16

Hi All

Got bored tonight so went and sorted the rear brake..  What I found was not good really.  I know I mentioned the front disc bolts and I don't want to become a health and safety bore - I actually prefer what we had before H&S i.e. Natural Selection - but..

On my bike, which is dealer supplied, brand new, OTR....

Brake rubbing with wheel off the floor.
Both shoes covered with grey slime - like aluminium paste - easily cleaned off.
No grease or lube on the pivot side of the drum - rusty - Cleaned + grease applied.
No lube on the brake cam or shaft - a smear of 'earwax' around the end but not in the hole -  grease applied.
No lube anywhere in fact!
No seal on the pivot shaft to stop water ingress - easily sorted with an o ring and copper washer.
The split link clip on the chain very loose - replaced
Grease applied to wheel spindle upon reassembly.
All adjusted - no rubbing and the brake feels like it will be fine now

The shoes are actually cast with "CG125" in them! so no debate there....

Sorry if this is all basic stuff to some of you but I rode mine thinking it would be fine and I am sure that this bike is going to appeal to learners with less experiance, especially in the UK, so I feel bound to mention what I found. 

If any one in W. Yorks has an Ace and they want help with this issue I'd be glad to offer it, in the mean time check out your rear brake if you are in any doubt...

Dave

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 06, 2013, 19:46:07
Hey Dave

will have to arrange a run down the snake one fine sunday :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 06, 2013, 23:43:12
A parcel arrived from China on Thursday :)
So this is the first cosmetic change to my Ace as yet!
other than removing stickers
Firstly I removed seat to find a couple holes perfect for my
new tail light bracket, quickly fabbed a bracket
removed the mudguard to see scuffing underneath from when my 85kegs
bounced on the old stock shocks
Did a bit of trial and error with wiring , Crazy's enlarged diagram on hand ;)
I decided to keep indicators ( I like shiny things ) 8)
and just moved them in onto the frame
Like the way its looking now, thinking of moving battery etc
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 07, 2013, 02:23:12
So this is the first cosmetic change to my Ace as yet!

Once you start it's hard to know when to stop!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 07, 2013, 05:27:10
Sounds exactly the same as what I found when I took my brake apart - no grease except that on the shoes !
Mine had done no miles and I think the drum was still dirty from manufacturing/storage - cleaned out with brake cleaner .

I think it has to be faced these are still bikes made in China so will need more prep than one from Japan.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 07, 2013, 06:01:06
I agree Bojer - The problem is that if newbies get them and dealers haven't prepped well it's not good.  Same old, same old perfectly good tackle maintained/supplied by tits = bad news.  I even copped for this with a new Harley so it's not just cheapy Chinese gear (I know Harley is probably mostly Chinese or similar!)

At the risk of being a saddo - I'm sure Oz type indicators are different to UK ones!  look at ACEitup's - Lovely!

Maybe I copped for some left overs from something else!

DM
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 07, 2013, 06:17:51
Yep , you're right there about the prep - suppose with the Chinese bikes there is not the necessary profit margin in them for the amount of prep they need . Like the bike I took to Spain I spent more than a day going over it - sorting connections , lubing , tightening /loosening etc .

I had the theory that 2013 bikes had the bean tin metal indicators and the black aluminium master cylinder while the earlier ones had plastic indicators and master cylinder - just a theory !  ;) I genuinely like my bean tin ones as they look authentic  :)

Finally got my registration plate and tax disc yesterday so will be taking mine for its first ride - well as soon as I put a new clutch in daughters Focus.......... >:(
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 07, 2013, 06:20:29
Yep , you're right there about the prep - suppose with the Chinese bikes there is not the necessary profit margin in them for the amount of prep they need . Like the bike I took to Spain I spent more than a day going over it - sorting connections , lubing , tightening /loosening etc .

I had the theory that 2013 bikes had the bean tin metal indicators and the black aluminium master cylinder while the earlier ones had plastic indicators and master cylinder - just a theory !  ;) I genuinely like my bean tin ones as they look authentic  :)

Finally got my registration plate and tax disc yesterday so will be taking mine for its first ride - well as soon as I put a new clutch in daughters Focus.......... >:(

I think it's more a case of what was closest to hand when it was built.


Mine came with metal indicators (since junked) & a metal master cylinder
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 07, 2013, 07:39:27
The metal indicators and alloy master cylinder seem to go together so I think its more than just random assembly  ;) - sure I read somewhere in the original 56 page thread that the metal master cylinder was the latest version .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: musket the dog on Dec 07, 2013, 09:34:18
Victor??

Welcome Ricky

Bar mirrors yes you just have to hit the weights in with a hammer

Unfortunately neither, it's under a 747 parked at the end of the runway at Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground, there is a Victor along with some other cold war pieces on the tarmac there but the Ferrari owners club were all over them on that day.

Cheers for the advice, will get the bars off when I get home then. My drum needed a lot of adjustment before I was happy with it but seemed to be ok otherwise? Perhaps my dealer had a poke around instead. I will open that up now anyway and take a look too.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 08, 2013, 22:04:03
Thought I'd post some pictures - unfortunately they have to be 'in shed' for now as we are having some 'bad weather' and by the time I am home it is dark.

They should show my idea of a tidy rear, raised headlamp, the chunky good looks of  China's finest 150cc and the indicators I fitted - which seem to be like the standard ones fitted to bikes in Oz.....

I'll try for outside pics this weekend

Dave

Ha just ordered the same indicators (black in color). May I ask where did you get the tail light? Ebay? Looking good ;-)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 10, 2013, 06:55:04
Recorded my ride home vis iphone gps, top speed of 108...
Hi Chris,
What app is that your using?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 10, 2013, 08:22:07
hi guys.,
attended local annual charity toy run on weekend and managed to put 300+kms on bike last sunday.
went well with two minor glitches. first was flamed out at highway speed(110 kmh).
resolved after rolling in angel gear for 6 to 8 kms and not on large slope. bearings  in wheels are ok.
kill switch had been bumped or vibrated on.

felt a little silly after a few quick checks . fuel plug etc..
started fine and continued on to destination.
even sillier ran out of fuel on way back.tap was on reserve not on position
great run  to find out what bike was capable of.

couldn't keep up with the big bikes of my nephews or mates  but had great fun trying.
still need to gear up at least one tooth from standard on front cog.  had power enough but revved too hard at speed,

pete
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 10, 2013, 13:49:06

"Ha just ordered the same indicators (black in color). May I ask where did you get the tail light? Ebay? Looking good ;-)"

Thank you very much - this should find it - came in two days!

http://www.louis-moto.co.uk/index.php?topic=artnr_gr&artnr_gr=10033303

Was the cheapest place I could find it - How do you do the quote thing in this forum?

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 10, 2013, 14:03:01


Was the cheapest place I could find it - How do you do the quote thing in this forum?

Dave

Click the Quote button in the top right of the post you want to quote  8)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 10, 2013, 17:46:36

Hi Chris,
What app is that your using?
cheers ACEitup

Diablo super biker: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/diablo-super-biker/id451756374?mt=8
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 10, 2013, 17:56:32
Diablo super biker: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/diablo-super-biker/id451756374?mt=8

Also on Android

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.pirelli.diablosuperbiker
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 10, 2013, 17:57:36
Just clicked over 1000kms this morning on the way to work. 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 10, 2013, 18:25:55

went well with two minor glitches. first was flamed out at highway speed(110 kmh).
resolved after rolling in angel gear for 6 to 8 kms and not on large slope. bearings  in wheels are ok.
kill switch had been bumped or vibrated on.


pete

Whats flamed out and angel gear mean - ignition fail and clutch in? ???
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 10, 2013, 22:09:34
Diablo super biker: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/diablo-super-biker/id451756374?mt=8
Thanks mate
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 11, 2013, 02:54:14
Just clicked over 1000kms this morning on the way to work.

And getting better all the time!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 11, 2013, 02:58:42
Whats flamed out and angel gear mean - ignition fail and clutch in? ???

Flamed out does mean ignition failure; angel gear is neutral.

Colourful language from our 'orrible friend!

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 11, 2013, 03:04:20

And getting better all the time!

Crazy

Must. Remove. Cat. And. Rejet.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 11, 2013, 03:17:54
Must. Remove. Cat. And. Rejet.

Definitely!

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 11, 2013, 04:30:39

Definitely!

Crazy

Xmas day here we come!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 11, 2013, 07:46:55
apologies, flamed out was loss of ignition,in the end due to kill switch.
angel gear is neutral...trucks used to go down hill to save fuel in neutral...dangerous and would end up in you meeting the angels. i.e. dead.
i was amazed that I rolled in neutral for more than several kilometres ..one of the other riders pulled up next to me to ask why I backed off the throttle for so long . I told him it had stalled several kilometres back. He was was shocked!  The ride was from the city of Adelaide , up the princes highway to Callington Oval. Every bike has a toy for underprivileged children and has a large attendance. Toys are donated to St vincent de paul society for distribution.

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 11, 2013, 07:49:11
http://www.mrasa.asn.au/toyrun.shtml
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 11, 2013, 16:54:34

Just clicked over 1000kms this morning on the way to work.
And getting better all the time!

Crazy

Jessicas rapidly approaching the 1000mile/1609km mark (actually 954miles/1535km) and yes most certainly getting better all the time  8)

Oddly (or maybe not) I'm finding I'm using her more than the Bird or the CBR600 at the moment
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Dec 11, 2013, 21:41:15
it looks like the rear wheel is a honda cg (93 model) knock off if you go by the parts views for each one.
Hi guys im from singapore and I have been reading this thread ..anyone knows what size is the front wheel bearing? I will attach my ace once its done!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 13, 2013, 03:15:12
Looks great, sounds good, noticeably more power, and best of all NO CAT!

High temp. powder coat in satin black (and silver VHT lining the header):

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdt7_wgew-tWk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 13, 2013, 03:45:39
best of all NO CAT!

Crazy
looks very neat! impressed
it will be good to check out the different mods done in amonth or so!
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 13, 2013, 04:52:53
Looks great, sounds good, noticeably more power, and best of all NO CAT!

High temp. powder coat in satin black (and silver VHT lining the header):


Crazy

I see you've gone for the rear stay approach like the original. Cosmetic or functional?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 13, 2013, 08:15:54
it will be good to check out the different mods done in a month or so!

I guess most of us have plans to bring to fruition over the next couple of weeks!

It's functional Mikey - the header is only a sliding fit into the muffler, so the tail end needs something to stop it waving about.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Erskine on Dec 15, 2013, 16:43:46
When are we going to see some of these puppies with fairings?
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 15, 2013, 17:47:07
Took her for her first non commute ride yesterday, great fun! Hills are a killer, but did mange to do 113 (down hill hehe...)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 15, 2013, 17:48:35
Just saw another ace ride past, there must be more than one here after all in Brisbane!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 15, 2013, 19:29:47
Hey you Aussie guys, anybody wants to order something from OORacing and is willing to share the shipping cost? I just need a blanking plate and re-jet kit and 22 pounds for postage sounds quite ridiculous to me. Cheers, Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 15, 2013, 19:43:01
Hey you Aussie guys, anybody wants to order something from OORacing and is willing to share the shipping cost? I just need a blanking plate and re-jet kit and 22 pounds for postage sounds quite ridiculous to me. Cheers, Thomas

you can always make a blanking plate it's nothing fancy. Piece of steel & some gasket material


DIY carb jets are a different matter though
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 15, 2013, 20:02:56
you can always make a blanking plate it's nothing fancy. Piece of steel & some gasket material


DIY carb jets are a different matter though

Yeah I was thinking about that, but I need the jets anyway. And also a front sprocket... Thanks Mike
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 15, 2013, 20:16:10
Yeah I was thinking about that, but I need the jets anyway. And also a front sprocket... Thanks Mike
a couple of Jets sent via Airmail would probably cost about £4.70 (working off t he cost to sent a mobile phone in a jiffy bag) according to the Royal Mail website
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 15, 2013, 20:30:59
a couple of Jets sent via Airmail would probably cost about £4.70 (working off t he cost to sent a mobile phone in a jiffy bag) according to the Royal Mail website

I have emailed them and they said they need to send it via UPS for £22 or they could do Royal mail which can take months and or go missing (according to them) and that would be £15.00  :(
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 15, 2013, 20:33:54
I have emailed them and they said they need to send it via UPS for £22 or they could do Royal mail which can take months and or go missing (according to them) and that would be £15.00  :(

Adrian might be exageratting a little however in fairness I know from people running businesses that international deliveries & issues arising can be problematic from a customer service standpoint hence why they usually insist on being sent tracked
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 15, 2013, 20:55:33
I have emailed them and they said they need to send it via UPS for £22 or they could do Royal mail which can take months and or go missing (according to them) and that would be £15.00  :(

I had just ordered the same as you and just sucked up the cost.  Took about 2 days to get here mind you, so it is quick!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 16, 2013, 00:18:19
- Pirelli city demon tires have been ordered, but haven't arrived yet.

Hi there, just wanted to ask how happy are you with the Pirelli tyres? Cheers, Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 16, 2013, 00:47:40
I just need a blanking plate and re-jet kit
Hey Cafe,
I actually bought a rejet kit incase the mukini carby didnt work out,
So you can have it if you like! and I just made up a blank  plate out of
3mm alley plate , might have a spare piece of that 2 if want!
Cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 16, 2013, 01:20:34
Hey Cafe,
I actually bought a rejet kit incase the mukini carby didnt work out,
So you can have it if you like! and I just made up a blank  plate out of
3mm alley plate , might have a spare piece of that 2 if want!
Cheers ACEitup

Hi mate,

Really? That would be cool!!! Where exactly do you live?

Cheers,

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 16, 2013, 02:30:37
Hey Thomas,
Cronulla
PM me
cheers ACeitup
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 16, 2013, 03:30:11

So you can have it if you like!

Love your work!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 16, 2013, 04:18:54
About the OORacing re-jet: pilot is 48 and main is 97.5.
Both are Keihin ones and can be found on ebay for something like 4-5$ each INCLUDING shipping.
There are several Keihin jets. The main jet used here is M5 thread with a 6mm head and more or less 9mm long.
I ordered a 5 piece jet kit that cost me 8,5 dollars with shipping to France.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Chronic on Dec 16, 2013, 04:26:33
These things look "ace"  ;)  really thinking of getting one!

Anyone in oz how do you go about getting them on the road??
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 16, 2013, 04:55:31
how do you go about getting them on the road??

You can either buy one in a crate and do the (minimal) assembly yourself, or purchase one from a dealer ready registered.

If you go through the posts on this thread you will find heaps of information on 'Ace' setting-up.

Link to distributor:
http://ikonikmoto.com.au/demo/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=90 (http://ikonikmoto.com.au/demo/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=90)

A useful thread by a fellow Victorian:
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=45949.0 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=45949.0)

Post any questions you might have and someone is bound to chime in with an answer!

Crazy

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Chronic on Dec 16, 2013, 05:04:09
cheers! wanting to get a crate bike
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 16, 2013, 05:08:20
Keep us posted!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Dec 16, 2013, 05:16:36
About the OORacing re-jet: pilot is 48.5 and main is 97.5.
Both are Keihin ones and can be found on ebay for something like 4-5$ each INCLUDING shipping.
There are several Keihin jets. The main jet used here is M5 thread with a 6mm head and more or less 9mm long.
I ordered a 5 piece jet kit that cost me 8,5 dollars with shipping to France.

Thanks Alan, but I will do a trip to Cronulla probably;-)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 16, 2013, 06:16:15
Hi All,
Just got this and made it my keyring 8)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281112105654?var=580199190927&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 16, 2013, 07:21:37
Just got this …

Ha!

Now everybody will want one.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 16, 2013, 11:20:03
Hi All,
Just got this and made it my keyring 8)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281112105654?var=580199190927&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

cheers ACEitup

What is it ? I can't open the page, got the usual copuntry restriction error...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Dec 16, 2013, 11:59:33
Hi there, just wanted to ask how happy are you with the Pirelli tyres? Cheers, Thomas

They are still on backorder, will have to contact the shop again... :(
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 16, 2013, 16:39:16
Idle/slow running jet advice please  - have bought this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SLOW-PILOT-JET-for-PWK-KEIHIN-OKO-CVK-45-/261287432012?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cd5f1cf4c #45 jet which looks like the oo racing jet http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4315

But when I come to fit it the original pilot jet is a three piece assembly and if I fit the new pilot jet in the holder its too short and directly into the carb too long ........ :(

I should have just bought the oo racing kit as I also bought the 4mm main jet first not the 5 mm  :o so has cost more than the kit from oo .

Have I got the wrong jet or carb - my head hurts , have had bikes a long time but never swapped a pilot jet .....
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 16, 2013, 17:34:26

About the OORacing re-jet: pilot is 48.5 and main is 97.5.
Both are Keihin ones and can be found on ebay for something like 4-5$ each INCLUDING shipping.
There are several Keihin jets. The main jet used here is M5 thread with a 6mm head and more or less 9mm long.
I ordered a 5 piece jet kit that cost me 8,5 dollars with shipping to France.

That's good to know for those that haven't ordered yet!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 17, 2013, 05:03:33
What is it ?
a pendant I found on ebay
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 17, 2013, 05:37:32
Idle/slow running jet advice please  - have bought this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SLOW-PILOT-JET-for-PWK-KEIHIN-OKO-CVK-45-/261287432012?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cd5f1cf4c #45 jet which looks like the oo racing jet http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4315

But when I come to fit it the original pilot jet is a three piece assembly and if I fit the new pilot jet in the holder its too short and directly into the carb too long ........ :(

I should have just bought the oo racing kit as I also bought the 4mm main jet first not the 5 mm  :o so has cost more than the kit from oo .

Have I got the wrong jet or carb - my head hurts , have had bikes a long time but never swapped a pilot jet .....

Your slow jet looks like the right kind. I measured the one I have and dimensions are identical.
The original one is indeed a 3 piece one and the new one is 1 piece and smaller, but it fits in the thread (when screwed directly in the carb).
What is your carb ? PZ26 ?

Here is a picture of both original (upper) and ooracing one (lower) for you to see difference. The one you have should be like the lower one.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 17, 2013, 05:47:25
a pendant I found on ebay
cheers ACEitup

Nice one. Definitely looks better than the Skyteam one delivered with the bike.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 17, 2013, 06:12:48
Btw I made a mystake about ooracing re-jet size:
- pilot jet is 48
- main jet is 97.5

Note that these are sizes for a carb with airbox removed and air filter (foam, KN style etc) fitted.
It works good on my bike with a straight-through exhaust but I'm still fine-tuning it.
I made the needle a bit richer and it improved the engine reaction. Please note also that on the stock carb there is no clip on the needle so you don't get the usual 5 positions. So you can make it richer by adding a small washer under it but there is no way to make it leaner if needed.
I also intend to try a 100 main jet as it seems in MY setup 97.5 might be a bit lean.

Maybe we could start a topic about owner's carb and jet combinaison ? Could be useful for other users. I for instance would be interested to know how big bore kits are jetted.
Could look like this:

OWNER          CARB MODEL       FILTER                  PILOT JET     MAIN JET     NEEDLE POSITION   IDLE SCREW   MIXTURE SCREW      ENGINE                 EXHAUST                            NOTES
Alan Vega       stock PZ26       metal cone filter         48               97.5              middle                         -                     1,5 out              stock 125cc         straight through dunstall     works fine so far

what do you think guys ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 17, 2013, 07:55:49


Maybe we could start a topic about owner's carb and jet combinaison ? Could be useful for other users.
Great idea
I know I read most posts however
when it comes time for me to do a task or
i have that problem, it can take some time to re find ?
So categorising this stuff in a new topic is a time saver
Doing valve's tomorrow so was looking up all the posts tonight!
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 17, 2013, 08:13:49
alan , i am running 48, 98 and feel 98 to be a little lean at wide open throttle...close though..tried to lift needle but did not have a small enough washer. will try making a small ring from 0.8mm mig wire soon.
.

top speed recorded 104 kmh.. not recorded on freeway 110++
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 17, 2013, 08:21:16
btw
38mm od header.
small baffled megaphone muffler  with baffle drilled aprox 18mm

so not quite straight through but you can see through pipe from front to back.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 17, 2013, 10:02:11
Your slow jet looks like the right kind. I measured the one I have and dimensions are identical.
The original one is indeed a 3 piece one and the new one is 1 piece and smaller, but it fits in the thread (when screwed directly in the carb).
What is your carb ? PZ26 ?

Here is a picture of both original (upper) and ooracing one (lower) for you to see difference. The one you have should be like the lower one.

Fantastic , thanks Alan just what I needed - and seems I do have the right one - was just having a crisis of confidence late last night ! Yep , mines still on the standard PZ26 with original airbox but with a homemade down pipe (not finished yet) and a short mega .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 17, 2013, 15:42:34
Carburettor stuff here:

http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=55771.0 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=55771.0)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 17, 2013, 18:15:04
Took her for her first non commute ride yesterday, great fun! Hills are a killer, but did mange to do 113 (down hill hehe...)

cool glad im not the only one getting those speeds :D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 18, 2013, 07:04:16
oo racing 606 kit ordered. 150 cc big head etc.+ 16 and 17 front cogs
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 18, 2013, 07:42:25
Nice one. Definitely looks better than the Skyteam one delivered with the bike.

you got a Skyteam keyring? #jealous  :P
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 18, 2013, 17:38:26
For those that have drilled out the cat, what diameter bit did you use?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Dec 19, 2013, 15:36:26
It should not matter. I used a 10mm drill, then I wedged a large flat screwdriver and a rubber hammer, jamming it in and bend the inside cat housing all around,when loose enough to get a grip with some screw clamps and pulled it out. took me about 30 mins to remove it.

on another note, my oo racing 303 kit has arrived, woot!
New jets,race cdi and 17 front cog.

Looks like I've got my weekend planed :-)

Sent from my shoe phone

Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 19, 2013, 17:43:07
Thanks for that
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 20, 2013, 01:20:42
steve  how long did it take to get kit to you ...waiting on my 606 kit.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Dec 20, 2013, 18:52:06
it took a while only because i had to pay extra to get it to regional Queensland, and I changed the 303 kit from a smaller rear cog to a bigger front cog 17 tooth (don't have to shorted the chain). but one the order was confirmed and paid I believe it was about 2 weeks.
Being on the brink of christmas, then It may take a lot longer...

Sent from my shoe phone

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 21, 2013, 00:05:58
getting those speeds :D
Hey Sprocket2cog
this might help you get some more
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/150381923300?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
I'm  pretty sure this is the 1 Wayne  had on his bike?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: the "Ace" - bars up!
Post by: suuscustoms on Dec 21, 2013, 04:20:42
Tarozzi bars fitted:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfWV7-7IEwHt0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and a side view:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcunSD4qI7GGE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Much more comfortable, owing to the adjustability.

New throttle and switch blocks will be the next change, followed by the Koso instruments.

Crazy

Just reading through this great thread.  In fitting the clip-ons, did you grind off the original bar mounts from the top triple clamp?
Title: Re: the "Ace" - The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 21, 2013, 08:21:35
did you grind off the original bar mounts …?

File and WandD - I can't be trusted with power tools!

More stuff to be posted regarding the bars in the coming week.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: vonmighty on Dec 22, 2013, 01:18:46
There is a 8mm bolt on the stand, which you take off, the switch and lead runs up through the bike and there is a simple plug to undo. I cut the lead because I could not be bothered reattaching a zip tie which holds the cable to the frame, then unplugged it.


So if i unplug it at the stand then pull it through and unplug the other end will that work?
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 22, 2013, 01:27:26
Yes.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: vonmighty on Dec 22, 2013, 01:57:30
Thanks Chris  ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 22, 2013, 02:22:58
Bars stripped:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfPjQC1OrWB1E-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

3cm off each end:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUc_m02yzQN2Mk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdZDu_1c62lAE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

To be continued …

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 22, 2013, 03:12:08
If one removed the rear gaurd, what could you use then in its place to protect under the seat/airbox/battery etc?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 22, 2013, 05:01:53
If one removed the rear gaurd, what could you use then in its place to protect under the seat/airbox/battery etc?

The rear mudguard is in 2 pieces. The forward plastic piece can be left in place which protects the airbox/battery area.

You could fabricate something to run under the seat & stop the wiring getting wet, I haven't yet.

At the back the number plate catches most of the spray
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 22, 2013, 09:14:16
i used black core flute
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 22, 2013, 09:31:23
my fill panel  between plastic section of guard and my small plastic tail light mount
Made from black core flute purchased at spotlight. plastic material a bit like corrugated cardboard but plastic, commonly  used for signage , but is light and directionally rigid .
tied together with cable ties. a true racing style on the fly repair minus the gaffer tape(hundred mile an hour tape).
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 22, 2013, 10:03:16
/me makes mental note to add to shopping list, cheers 'orrible
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 22, 2013, 16:45:01

my fill panel  between plastic section of guard and my small plastic tail light mount
Made from black core flute purchased at spotlight. plastic material a bit like corrugated cardboard but plastic, commonly  used for signage , but is light and directionally rigid .
tied together with cable ties. a true racing style on the fly repair minus the gaffer tape(hundred mile an hour tape).

Brilliant, thank you!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 22, 2013, 18:24:29
3cm off each end:

That's taking weight saving to the next level...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 22, 2013, 18:39:33
That's taking weight saving to the next level...

And it helps when lane splitting!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 22, 2013, 19:04:21
And it helps when lane splitting!

Crazy

We like lane splitting :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XodG4nc1r0k
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 22, 2013, 19:13:31
We like lane splitting

The 'Ace' is the bike for the job!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 22, 2013, 20:52:00
New handlebar decorations for Xmas:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdrQO-asBoYck-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Now to connect cables, fill & bleed brake line, rewire electrics …

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 22, 2013, 21:05:04
Loving that braided brake line!
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Dec 22, 2013, 21:30:44
That looks awsome Crazy....

Btw, for the bar end mirror, do i need to cut the end of the rubber grip off or just make holes and fit them into the bar?



Sent from my IM-A880S using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 22, 2013, 22:09:06
That looks awsome Crazy....

Btw, for the bar end mirror, do i need to cut the end of the rubber grip off or just make holes and fit them into the bar?



Sent from my IM-A880S using Tapatalk

Cut the end of the grip rubber off plus a couple of mm more and the plastic of the grip underneath so that the throttle doesn't stick.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 22, 2013, 22:49:42
New handlebar decorations for Xmas:




very nice ! Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 22, 2013, 23:04:22
do i need to cut the end of the rubber grip off …?

I slide the grip onto the bar until it goes no further, then I tap the end of the grip with a hammer until the bar-end itself cuts the hole.

very nice !

Should fix the problem I've had with the master cylinder!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 23, 2013, 01:23:12
Finally got to finish the exhaust
With a nice titanium wrap
Cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 23, 2013, 02:38:13
Finally got to finish the exhaust …

Tidy!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Chronic on Dec 23, 2013, 02:49:58
We like lane splitting :)



seems to hook along all right in traffic
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 23, 2013, 03:27:09

Finally got to finish the exhaust
With a nice titanium wrap
Cheers ACEitup

I've got white fiberglass to go on Wednesday.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 23, 2013, 03:55:42
Hey Sprocket2cog
this might help you get some more
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/150381923300?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
I'm  pretty sure this is the 1 Wayne  had on his bike?
cheers ACEitup
cheers mate thanks heaps
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 23, 2013, 04:25:55
Finally got to finish the exhaust
With a nice titanium wrap
Cheers ACEitup

looks familiar  :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 23, 2013, 04:40:02
The 'Ace' is the bike for the job!

Crazy
still on my L's and already into it
standard bars and bar end mirrors do make me
a little wider thou  :o
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 23, 2013, 04:49:23
looks familiar  :)
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1424108607825104&l=2cb742bacb)
haha twins !!
How long have you had the wrap on?
wondering how long it would hold the gold colour? as
fibreglass wrap seems to pretty dirty?
cheers ACEitup
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 23, 2013, 05:05:36

haha twins !!
How long have you had the wrap on?
wondering how long it would hold the gold colour? as
fibreglass wrap seems to pretty dirty?
cheers ACEitup

I like it dirty!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 23, 2013, 06:18:00
haha twins !!
How long have you had the wrap on?
wondering how long it would hold the gold colour? as
fibreglass wrap seems to pretty dirty?
cheers ACEitup

I've had it since end of august i'd say. Didn't notice any degracation.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 23, 2013, 06:23:56
New handlebar decorations for Xmas:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdrQO-asBoYck-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Now to connect cables, fill & bleed brake line, rewire electrics …

Crazy

This looks really great ?
Where did you get those levers and switches ? Ebay ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 23, 2013, 07:49:05
Where did you get those levers and switches ?

The levers are from eBay:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7-8-Black-Left-Right-Universal-Front-Brakes-Master-Cylinders-Adjust-Levers-/221265644960?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7-8-Black-Left-Right-Universal-Front-Brakes-Master-Cylinders-Adjust-Levers-/221265644960?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160)
But I cleaned off most of the black powder coat.

The switches from OORacing:
http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3790 (http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3790)
http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3789 (http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3789)
Removed the clear anodising to match the levers!

More work than makes sense, but I do like the final result.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 23, 2013, 08:50:11
606 kit from oo racing has arrived..125 pot out tonight..fitting new pot and head tomorrow night.

then comes carby retune. I am already  running richer than jets supplied in kit.

OO racing are brilliant.. got kit to me in four days. thanks Adrian
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 23, 2013, 13:20:16
The levers are from eBay:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7-8-Black-Left-Right-Universal-Front-Brakes-Master-Cylinders-Adjust-Levers-/221265644960?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/7-8-Black-Left-Right-Universal-Front-Brakes-Master-Cylinders-Adjust-Levers-/221265644960?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160)
But I cleaned off most of the black powder coat.

The switches from OORacing:
http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3790 (http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3790)
http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3789 (http://www.ooracing.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3789)
Removed the clear anodising to match the levers!

More work than makes sense, but I do like the final result.

Crazy

Result is indeed really great.
Could you comment on the performance/quality/ergonomy of this new set compared to the stock one once you tried them ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 23, 2013, 16:01:11
Could you comment on the performance/quality/ergonomy of this new set compared to the stock one once you tried them ?

It will be done as soon as I fit the big-bore kit!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Dec 23, 2013, 16:21:45
How about a 4 leadingshoe drum brake on front?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 23, 2013, 17:42:43
How about a 4 leadingshoe drum brake on front?

A 4LS sounds like a great idea!

Where can I get one for less than the cost of another 'Ace'?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Dec 23, 2013, 17:54:00
It will be done as soon as I fit the big-bore kit!

Crazy
Hey Crazy,
I hope you post blow by blow pic's of that?
Its on my wish list next year
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 23, 2013, 17:56:08
I hope you post blow by blow pic's of that?

I expect my camera to end up with greasy fingerprints all over it!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 23, 2013, 18:55:46
is it just the angle or do they look a little stubby?

Out of idle curiousity whats the length from the end to where they butt into the mounting?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 23, 2013, 19:06:55
They are fairly short and the angle emphasises it.  Will post more photos and measurements later.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 23, 2013, 19:10:14
They are fairly short and the angle emphasises it.  Will post more photos and measurements later.

Crazy

although the obvious answer is an inch & a bit (3cm to you guys) shorter than the standard bars lol

Hmm I might adjust mine to shorten them to see how they feel. Can always slide them back out if I don't like it
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 23, 2013, 22:58:36
an inch & a bit (3cm to you guys) shorter than the standard bars

The new length is 20cm (or 7.87" in the old money).

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 24, 2013, 13:51:22
The new length is 20cm (or 7.87" in the old money).

Crazy

mine at full extension are the same as yours were originally
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 25, 2013, 00:03:20
The Growler (http://vimeo.com/82653999)

New Exhaust is on! That sounds better.
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Dec 25, 2013, 02:30:30
Merry xmas to u all from HK

Sent from my IM-A880S using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Dec 25, 2013, 02:53:32
Finally put the de-cluttered crankcase cover on yesterday:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdW4OIHcsn4DU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

a larger view:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcfhs33QvYRI0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Total weight saving over 2kg!
Yes, I did get carried away with the drill; speed holes make a bike go faster - right?

Crazy

Hey stroker crazy, where did u get the bolt on the crankcase from?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 25, 2013, 05:04:03


New Exhaust is on! That sounds better.

Sweet sounding Chris   8)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Dec 25, 2013, 05:40:09
Merry Christmas everybody.

My wife has bought me a new crash helmet for Christmas. I have not owned a bike for 19 years so I assume that is the green light to order my Ace on Friday  ;D

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 25, 2013, 07:05:41

New Exhaust is on! That sounds better.

Sounds good - like an old IoM TT soundtrack  :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 25, 2013, 18:00:32
Hey stroker crazy, where did u get the bolt on the crankcase from?

Which bolt?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Dec 26, 2013, 00:35:25
Which bolt?

Crazy
The allen key head bolt
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 26, 2013, 08:16:21
nice work chris...we have matching helmets

150 cc 606 kit fitted but have to work in morning so no test ride tonight
17 tooth front cog on instead of rear cog swap.
did not fit jets or plug as not needed
iridium plug and running 48 /98 jets
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 26, 2013, 19:28:50
joeylimzy - the sockethead cap screws came from a local supplier of stainless steel hardware; they should be available from several places in your city such as:

https://eu.shop.bossard.com/sg/index.cfm?app_page=0:31084:30002:133:1 (https://eu.shop.bossard.com/sg/index.cfm?app_page=0:31084:30002:133:1)

If you use stainless steel screws into aluminium don't forget to use anti-seize grease on the threads!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 26, 2013, 19:54:47
Sounds good - like an old IoM TT soundtrack  :)

Yeah I'm loving it!

nice work chris...we have matching helmets

Yeah I see plenty of them around, I think I'll be changing to something more traditional in the new year.

(http://www.bikebiz.com.au/product_images/h/095/N20_TR._CLASSIC_PL._M.White_137__46427_zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Dec 27, 2013, 11:34:42
I have paid my deposit for an Ace 125 today. The dealer is going to contact Skyteam about the derestricted chrome exhaust to see if he can order that at the same time as the bike. I hope it will be ready to go on March 1st. I decided to wait until the 14 reg plate comes out.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Dec 27, 2013, 11:47:50
Counting the days then ?  ;)

Where did you buy from in the end ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Dec 27, 2013, 11:52:07
Counting the days then ?  ;)

Where did you buy from in the end ?

I used The Scooter Warehouse in Worthing. It is run by 2 brothers. I dealt with Rob and he was very helpful. He also done me a deal on delivery and its possible it may be here on Friday 28th Feb, so I can have a play with it before taking it out legally on March 1st.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 27, 2013, 11:57:27
I used The Scooter Warehouse in Worthing. It is run by 2 brothers. I dealt with Rob and he was very helpful. He also done me a deal on delivery and its possible it may be here on Friday 28th Feb, so I can have a play with it before taking it out legally on March 1st.

Wayne
Sweeeeeeeettttttt
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 28, 2013, 03:45:46
New controls feel great; filled the new master cylinder and brake line with fluid and bled same.

All good, but levers hit against blinker housings!

Modified bracket to lower blinkers by 3cm and move toward centre by 2.5cm:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdkY2bQIc-Wh0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUccO9QTEAV6oU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Problem solved.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Dec 28, 2013, 08:36:08
lookin good
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Dec 29, 2013, 18:41:52
It's great to have that flexibility with the clip ons.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 30, 2013, 06:16:23
Could you comment on the performance/quality/ergonomy of this new set compared to the stock one once you tried them ?

Cables connected, brakes filled and bled, rewiring complete!

A short test ride revealed the following:

eBay master cylinder, braided stainless line, and EBC pads improved the braking noticeably.

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdpx7nAMlBOtk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Switch blocks provide the minimum necessary functions and look tidy.

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcRPCrqmj-75E-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

The real winner is the Tommaselli side pull quick-action throttle unit; much less wrist action required when accelerating.

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeeZ5P8MBTQCU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Will be doing the big-bore (150cc!) conversion tomorrow, if all goes well.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Erskine on Dec 30, 2013, 07:44:52
Big bore conversion takes about 30 mins and will make you smile like a cheshire cat :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Dec 30, 2013, 08:10:44
test rode big bore kit tonight... a must do modification.  Went with 17 -38 gears used jets provided . used new ignition in rev limiter mode wound all the way out(20 turns). first ride around block was funny ...was set to top speed of 20kms an hour...proves it works as promised .
  Wow...
do it...do it now!!!!

it no longer sounds like it is working so hard...no longer rides the same  as it did..was good bike ...now better bike.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 30, 2013, 09:29:55
Hi All

Hope you all had a good Christmas and got lots of Ace presents!  I've had a chance to ride mine a fair bit during the hols and I love it.  I see the Big bore kit is a popular mod and all I can say about mine is that within the parameters of running in mine goes great - It is hard not to thrash it! 
One of the trips I took was to see a mate of mine who has a couple of the Honda dreams that our bike are based on - see picture - All I can say is that the Ace does not come out of a comparison disgraced!

I am well into these little bike and I am hatching a plan to fit a 250 motor in one.  I've written to Skyteam and asked about a complete 250 Raptor motor and am awaiting the reply.  Has any one in Oz tried this? I see that you can buy a OHC motor from these guys

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Complete-Kit-250cc-Zongshen-OHC-engine-motor-motorbike-motorcycle-/251041322704

but apart from complete bikes these engine don't seem to be available in the uk - unless Skyteam will flog me one - Failing a new Chinese engine a s/h Honda will have to be found....

Anyroad up - have a great New Years eve if I don't post before then

Dave
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 30, 2013, 15:28:28
looking Good Crazy

Sounds good 'orrible

Dave M, a couple of Dreams ? gready bugger lol
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Dec 30, 2013, 15:39:09
Mike,

You wouldn't believe it unless you saw it - works 125 MZs, G5 MZs and the biggest shame was we couldn't call round to his mates and take a picture of a  Honda works racer that the Dream 50 was based on...

When we eventually meet I'll take you round... Heaven... but you always knew it was in Yorkshire!

DM
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 30, 2013, 15:55:28
Mike,

You wouldn't believe it unless you saw it - works 125 MZs, G5 MZs and the biggest shame was we couldn't call round to his mates and take a picture of a  Honda works racer that the Dream 50 was based on...

When we eventually meet I'll take you round... Heaven... but you always knew it was in Yorkshire!

DM

Now that sounds like a good day out.

A brace of Aces, the odd Dream and a CR110/RC110  8)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Luugo86 on Dec 30, 2013, 16:25:41
 Are these little Ace bikes available for purchase? Im very interested in one... would be a great starter bike for my wife or kids
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Dec 30, 2013, 17:34:36
Are these little Ace bikes available for purchase? Im very interested in one... would be a great starter bike for my wife or kids

Unfortunately I don't  believe they're for sale in the US of A Luugo
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 30, 2013, 20:09:31
Big bore conversion takes about 30 mins and will make you smile like a cheshire cat :)

Conversion completed!

A straightforward job, but with a minor twist or two.  Taking it out for a 140k shakedown on Thursday.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Dec 31, 2013, 08:41:01
My ACE!!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Dec 31, 2013, 08:57:15
nice white colour !
Is it stock or did you paint it ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Dec 31, 2013, 16:31:08
What red paint is the best one to use to paint the frame after brackets are removed?

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 31, 2013, 22:11:21
My ACE!!!

Congratulations!

What red paint is the best one to use to paint the frame after brackets are removed?

Don't know if you can it get where you are, but Holts Duplicolor DSH35 Mandarin Red is a reasonably close match.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 01, 2014, 00:46:14
nice white colour !
Is it stock or did you paint it ?
Stock colour is white .. wanted to remove the fork gators .. anyone knows whether is therer any con for removing it?
Title: Re: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jan 01, 2014, 01:19:44
. wanted to remove the fork gators .. anyone knows whether is therer any con for removing it?
You have to remove the forks
to get the gators off, or you could cut the rubber off of you don't want to keep them

Sent from my GT-I9100

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 01, 2014, 01:40:13
wanted to remove the fork gators …

Gaiters keep grit etc. out of the fork seals, so might be an advantage in dusty environments.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jan 01, 2014, 01:42:35
Gaiters keep grit etc. out of the fork seals, so might be an advantage in dusty environments.

Crazy

mine have started ripping apart after 3500 km im going to have to take them off or get new ones :(
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 01, 2014, 05:56:04
Congratulations!

Don't know if you can it get where you are, but Holts Duplicolor DSH35 Mandarin Red is a reasonably close match.

Crazy

Thanks Crazy.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Jan 01, 2014, 11:22:35
Stock colour is white .. wanted to remove the fork gators .. anyone knows whether is therer any con for removing it?

I cut them off, looks alot better without them. Just make sure to clean the forks regularly.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 01, 2014, 20:26:27
WOW!

I know it's only relative, but the improvement from the 150cc kit is impressive.

Halfway into the test run, looking south from Bald Hill:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd9sfJb7wHxPE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 01, 2014, 21:19:43
WOW!

I know it's only relative, but the improvement from the 150cc kit is impressive.

Crazy

It's a 20% increase in capacity... gotta do something!

Where did you notice the gain most, low/mid/top?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 01, 2014, 21:40:05
It's a 20% increase in capacity... gotta do something!

20% + bigger valves + higher compression!

Mid-range acceleration has improved markedly, a bit early to tell how much more top-end.
Still running standard sprockets; it will be interesting to see what effect a 17t front has!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Chronic on Jan 01, 2014, 22:40:48
im gutted guys! was getting excited bout getting one and building it myself but VICROADS are no longer letting people to rego them if they were put together by someone at home! they have to be prebuilt when you buy it!

What aload of crap! just read it in Motorcycle Trader mag...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 01, 2014, 22:45:25
im gutted guys! was getting excited bout getting one and building it myself but VICROADS are no longer letting people to rego them if they were put together by someone at home! they have to be prebuilt when you buy it!

What aload of crap! just read it in Motorcycle Trader mag...

That's a shame, hope that doesn't happen up here in QLD!

Could you not get it roadworthied/complianced through a mechanic?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Chronic on Jan 01, 2014, 22:53:26
Motorcycle trader mag were going to build one and review it but thats what they have said! must be brought put together and on road thru a dealer!
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 01, 2014, 23:15:26
Guess it's best to confirm with Vic roads!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Just Dan on Jan 02, 2014, 00:47:58
20% + bigger valves + higher compression!

Mid-range acceleration has improved markedly, a bit early to tell how much more top-end.
Still running standard sprockets; it will be interesting to see what effect a 17t front has!

Crazy

I have been running a +1 on the front sprocket and 150 kit for a while now an have forgotten about it. The ACE accelerates up steep hills with the larger sprocket. I do a lot of cruising in 80 kph zones and that is where, I feel the larger front sprocket comes in with the 150 kit.

I also believe the 150 kit is best mod, I have done to the ACE. Next would be grippy tyres.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 02, 2014, 00:54:53
+1 on the front sprocket

I am trying the front sprocket make the bike more comfortable on those unavoidable 100/110k expressway sections!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 02, 2014, 03:58:00
I have just ordered a set of cheap mirrors from eBay. I thought I would try these before having to cut the grips to fit bar end mirrors. I can use these whilst I make up my mind. Only 57 days to wait.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131068340834?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 02, 2014, 05:47:26
I have just ordered a set of cheap mirrors from eBay

Anything would look better than the originals!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jan 02, 2014, 06:27:55
aren't the stock mirrors left and right hand threads ? these might not work if they are the same thread on both sides.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 02, 2014, 07:12:08
aren't the stock mirrors left and right hand threads ? these might not work if they are the same thread on both sides.

I don't have the bike yet, so I did not know this. They are only cheap, so I am not losing too much.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Jan 02, 2014, 07:12:23
The right hand mirror is indeed a yamaha inverse thread so it won't work if they are the same.

I tried 3 different mirrors pairs before finding the right one (the 4th pair). It was not an issue about the thread, they fit in but either were always too short and could see nothing but my arms/shoulder or were just made of flat glass and not of convex glass, which make them useless for me.
Most of the cheap mirrors sold on ebay are flat glass.

I then decided to buy some more expensive one: napoleon barend mirrors. They are like and as good as the original Halcyon.
Here is where I bought them: http://www.ironhorsespares.co.uk/Detail.aspx?productID=2

aren't the stock mirrors left and right hand threads ? these might not work if they are the same thread on both sides.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 02, 2014, 07:21:27


I then decided to buy some more expensive one: napoleon barend mirrors. They are like and as good as the original Halcyon.
Here is where I bought them: http://www.ironhorsespares.co.uk/Detail.aspx?productID=2

Could you post a picture of the mirrors fitted to your Ace. As I do not have the bike yet, I am trying to get a list together of parts I want to replace and the mirrors will be first.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Jan 02, 2014, 07:53:36
Here you go.
I was relunctant first to go for bar end mirrors but after trying different standard mirrors (got a pair exactly as the one you ordered) with no success I settle on the barend mirrors.
Don't regret it. And it's nice when riding no to have the two mirrors in your field of view.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 02, 2014, 10:55:55
Thank you Alan, they look good. They are higher than the usual bar end mirrors and I like that.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Jan 02, 2014, 19:28:26
Here you go.
I was relunctant first to go for bar end mirrors but after trying different standard mirrors (got a pair exactly as the one you ordered) with no success I settle on the barend mirrors.
Don't regret it. And it's nice when riding no to have the two mirrors in your field of view.

These look awesome! Will have to buy them as well. I have a similar shape classic stem mirrors, but the stems are too short and I can see only my forearms... Just wondering is it £24.50 for a pair or do I have to order two of them?

Cheers,

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Jan 02, 2014, 20:08:52
These look awesome! Will have to buy them as well. I have a similar shape classic stem mirrors, but the stems are too short and I can see only my forearms... Just wondering is it £24.50 for a pair or do I have to order two of them?

Cheers,

Thomas

you have to order 2 of them but still it's fair priced for the quality.
Trust me I tried cheap mirrors and this is a part you should save your money, security is at hand.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Jan 02, 2014, 20:57:34
you have to order 2 of them but still it's fair priced for the quality.
Trust me I tried cheap mirrors and this is a part you should save your money, security is at hand.

Yes never save on brakes, tyres and mirrors ;-) Aren't these the same:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Napoleon-handlebar-bar-end-motorcycle-mirrors-pair-chrome-fits-7-8-bars-/111115072607?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19def9745f&vxp=mtr

Thanks Alan
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Jan 02, 2014, 21:20:24
Yes they are the same.
As long as they are Napoleon or Halcyon branded there are good.
I bought one pair of some triumph looking bar end mirrors of ebay that looks fine, like the halcyon and napoleon. Construction was ok but glass was flat  >:(
So don't take the chance if you want some of these type of mirrors.

Yes never save on brakes, tyres and mirrors ;-) Aren't these the same:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Napoleon-handlebar-bar-end-motorcycle-mirrors-pair-chrome-fits-7-8-bars-/111115072607?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19def9745f&vxp=mtr

Thanks Alan
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 05, 2014, 18:28:25
Removed the rear fender and adjusted the placement of the lights

Think I'll end up replacing them all with a strip LED unit under the seat eventually.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 05, 2014, 23:05:40
An absolutely perfect day for another run to Bald Hill!

I'm still not used to being able to accelerate uphill.

Spotted a lyre bird running through the bush, a first time for me on this stretch of road.

Apologies to our British cousins for the blue stuff in the background:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfgJC8HT1Aswk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Jan 06, 2014, 05:04:24
Apologies to our British cousins for the blue stuff in the background:
Crazy

Nah , thats fine Crazy we are not short of a bit of water ourselves at the moment ............. ;)

Good pic though  ;D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 06, 2014, 05:12:19
we are not short of a bit of water ourselves at the moment .............

You will have noticed the ocean is running downhill; that's because it has drained to your side of the planet!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Jan 06, 2014, 17:46:49
An absolutely perfect day for another run to Bald Hill!

I'm still not used to being able to accelerate uphill.

Spotted a lyre bird running through the bush, a first time for me on this stretch of road.

Apologies to our British cousins for the blue stuff in the background:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfgJC8HT1Aswk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy

Slightly off topic but this pic was taken in June 2011 on the Scottish Coast between Ullapool & John O Groats (I'm the handsome dude in the yellow jacket)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/271477_10150240729867200_4118763_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 06, 2014, 20:42:37
between Ullapool & John O Groats

A looong way (and time) away from the south east!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Jan 06, 2014, 20:50:10
A looong way (and time) away from the south east!

Crazy

Actually I was based in the South East at the time, currently I'm in the North West

roughly it was

Day 1 Aylesbury to Dunfermilne 400 miles
Day 2 Dunfermline to John O Groats 257 miles
Day 3 John O'Groats to Applecross 177 miles
Day 4 Applecross to Carlilse 303 miles
Day 5 Carlilse to Tewksbury 232 miles
Day 6 tewksbury to Aylesbury 78 miles

That's my old ST1100 just poking her nose in
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Jan 07, 2014, 04:19:07
Ready to go Ace - anyones off here ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181296354626&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:3160
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 07, 2014, 06:19:42
Not even run-in yet!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 07, 2014, 06:42:22
I have confirmed my order for an Ace today with the supplying dealer. He has spoken to Charlie at Skyteam Uk about supplying a derestricted exhaust and new jets. Skyteam also suggest changing the rear sprocket for a smaller one. I think I remember someone on here saying that the chain needs shortening to fit this, is this correct. What do you guys reccomend?

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Jan 07, 2014, 08:33:18
not an ace but a pretty cool postie bike from speed week on the salt flats of lake gairdner
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 08, 2014, 03:28:36
Some minor changes!

Made a new bracket for the brake line:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUfbSyI07nxVgE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Trimmed a bit more off the sprocket cover:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeMOiLGwlBEAE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Replaced some rusted nuts that were annoying me with stainless items -

Exhaust clamp:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcUN4_-3wouxE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Shock mounts - these were hard to find and not cheap, being metric fine pitch:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUffk9Ak5kSz_k-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

But best of all - new tyres!

The original rear was without tread in the centre, so it had to go:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcxhaEMCNVlDk-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and front:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUckzeu9yGtXW0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Jan 08, 2014, 03:33:12
Sweet as crazy 8)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 08, 2014, 04:07:23
Thanks Mike!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 08, 2014, 04:51:17
Awesome! ;)
Fred
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 09, 2014, 04:58:44
Seems I have a wee exhaust leak between the header and the muffler - would a bit of high temp silicone gasket maker do the trick?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jan 09, 2014, 06:05:01
Seems I have a wee exhaust leak between the header and the muffler - would a bit of high temp silicone gasket maker do the trick?

stag jointing paste is what i use for exhaust systems. its made for it.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Rishy on Jan 09, 2014, 14:19:51

Shock mounts - these were hard to find and not cheap, being metric fine pitch:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUffk9Ak5kSz_k-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Hey crazy where did you find these shocks??

Cheers

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 09, 2014, 16:10:20
The shocks were custom built by Ikon: http://www.ikonsuspension.com/ (http://www.ikonsuspension.com/)

They work very well!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Onform on Jan 12, 2014, 15:28:37
Guys, I wonder if anyone could help. Is there anyone with an ace located anywhere north herts area uk?? As I have mentioned elsewhere I'm ready buy one based on looks alone but I have that feeling of uncertainty having never seen one in the flesh! As there are no dealers around here I Was just wondering if anyone was in the area could swing past one day so I could have a look in person..
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Jan 14, 2014, 08:10:54
crazy...what happened to the fairing??????
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Novgarod on Jan 14, 2014, 16:35:17
Here's my take on the Ace modifying...so far...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 14, 2014, 16:49:35
Welcome Novgarod!

First Ace that I've seen with twin headlights. Unusual shocks as well.

Is it an Ace 50?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Novgarod on Jan 14, 2014, 16:57:27
Thanx..!  :)
Yes, it's a 50cc with a big bore kit, and 22mm carburetor.
The twin headlights are fitted with xenon (35w) to get some more light without straining the battery too much.
At the moment I'm fitting Michelin m45's and relocating the battery, so I can get rid of the air filter box.

Novgarod
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Jan 14, 2014, 17:06:44
I've seen those shocks at OO racing & F2S but what's all the blue pipework for??

Like the twin headlights


BTW welcome aboard & I've taken the liberty of adding you to the map

http://tinyurl.com/aceownerlocater
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 14, 2014, 17:11:25
I fitted M45s to my bike a short while ago. I'm very happy with them.

If you're from where your forum name indicates, it's very early in the morning of what is going to be a very cold day!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Novgarod on Jan 14, 2014, 17:15:56
The blue pipework is actually braided sleeves that protect from heat and abrasion...as well as making it stand out a bit from all standard black hosed bikes. (I could get it in black and yellow as well, but chose blue)  :)
The lights work very well! The original one was almost useless.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Novgarod on Jan 14, 2014, 17:19:51
I've read a lot about the M45's, and its all good, so it was an easy choice.
I'm from Namsos, Norway. We've had a few days of cold weather now. around -15 degrees centigrade.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Jan 14, 2014, 17:23:27
The blue pipework is actually braided sleeves that protect from heat and abrasion...as well as making it stand out a bit from all standard black hosed bikes. (I could get it in black and yellow as well, but chose blue)  :)
The lights work very well! The original one was almost useless.

a pushbike light is more effective than the original!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 14, 2014, 17:40:12
I'm from Namsos …

You're our first Norwegian member - do you know any other 'Ace' riders in your area?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Jan 14, 2014, 18:20:53
a pushbike light is more effective than the original!!

hmm I might add a pushbike light as extra lighting  ;D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Jan 14, 2014, 20:17:31
Replaced the globe in mine the other day
Its a postie bike globe!
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 14, 2014, 20:19:42
Trying to use the extra power of the 150 upgrade to get a slight increase in top speed:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdbtnWrP_x4x0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Starting with 17/35, try it out, and back off some if necessary.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 14, 2014, 20:50:07
Nice one!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 15, 2014, 05:02:43
I've read a lot about the M45's, and its all good, so it was an easy choice.
I'm from Namsos, Norway. We've had a few days of cold weather now. around -15 degrees centigrade.

Hej,
well Namsos, that's about 650 km's and at least a 9 hours drive  from Torsby, Sweden,where I live. Maybe when I buy an Ace I will drive upp.. 8) We got this night a lot of snow.
Greetings
Fred
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 15, 2014, 05:20:47
By the way 'Novragod', where did you buy your Ace? Is there an official Skyteam importer in Norway?
Greetings, Fred
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 15, 2014, 05:28:09
Torby to Namsos looks like an exciting ride!

An Ace 125 would be better than a 50 for a trip like that, but it would still be quite an adventure.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 15, 2014, 06:25:56
Yes , quite an adventure . I believe there are some 'hills' in between... ;)
Fred
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 15, 2014, 06:35:34
eBay Uk have a black Ace listed. I don't think it looks as good as the silver.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SKYTEAM-ACE-125-/171217230112?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item27dd579920#ht_209wt_724

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 15, 2014, 06:38:14
eBay Uk have a black Ace listed …

Doesn't do it for me!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 15, 2014, 06:39:05
I fitted M45s to my bike a short while ago. I'm very happy with them.

If you're from where your forum name indicates, it's very early in the morning of what is going to be a very cold day!

Crazy
Can you still buy Dunlop TT 100's ? I recall Dunlop is selling a newer version of these, TT86 or so ? They are looking more traditional , which i always nice on a bike like an Ace. Don't know if they are better than the M45s.
Fred
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Withers on Jan 15, 2014, 09:25:23
I wonder if they'll ever release the Ace or its big brother the Swift 250 in the US? I was actually hoping to get one of those before I finally decided to go for an older bike. Glad I didn't decide to wait.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 15, 2014, 16:55:24
Anyone know the size of the bolt that holds the muffler on? Mine has disappeared...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 16, 2014, 03:02:01
Anyone know the size of the bolt that holds the muffler on? Mine has disappeared...

It's 10mm.

But it's metric fine thread!  If you have trouble finding a replacement I can probably send you a second-hand one.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 16, 2014, 03:04:31
It's 10mm.

But it's metric fine thread!  If you have trouble finding a replacement I can probably send you a second-hand one.

Crazy

Thank you - will try at Bunnings and come back to you.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Jan 16, 2014, 03:07:25
Hahaha,
I reckon there is a few of us about with a box full of original parts!!
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 16, 2014, 03:10:00
Hahaha,
I reckon there is a few of us about with a box full of original parts!!
cheers ACEitup

I acutally use the box which had all the bits and pieces in it when it arrived!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Novgarod on Jan 16, 2014, 05:10:58
You're our first Norwegian member - do you know any other 'Ace' riders in your area?

Crazy
As far as I know, there is one more Ace in Norway, belonging to the dealer I bought mine from (Crash'n Burn). When I took mine to the local DMV, they said that it was the first one that was registered in the country. :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Novgarod on Jan 16, 2014, 05:15:00
By the way 'Novragod', where did you buy your Ace? Is there an official Skyteam importer in Norway?
Greetings, Fred

I bought mine from a dealer called Crash'n Burn. But I don't think he is an official dealer for Skyteam.

Kind regards, Stian
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 16, 2014, 13:24:11

Fred
As far as I know, there is one more Ace in Norway, belonging to the dealer I bought mine from (Crash'n Burn). When I took mine to the local DMV, they said that it was the first one that was registered in the country. :)
[/quote

Ok,
thanks Stian
Fred]
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 16, 2014, 13:29:49
Sorry, went wrong.
But anyway, thanks Stian. Not many Aces in Norway.. I wonder how many Aces are sold in Sweden. I remember there was one guy from Sweden chatting on ADVrider.But cannot find anymore that post..
Fred
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 16, 2014, 17:52:26

Thank you - will try at Bunnings and come back to you.

Bunnings had zilch in the thread pitch I needed. There is a fasteners distributer near me, they'll have it for sure. Might use a spring washer this time too!
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 16, 2014, 17:57:26

Thank you - will try at Bunnings and come back to you.

Bunnings had zilch in the thread pitch I needed. There is a fasteners distributer near me, they'll have it for sure. Might use a spring washer this time too!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 16, 2014, 18:59:34
zilch in the thread pitch

I found the spare - just give the word and I will mail it!

(no charge service!)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 16, 2014, 19:52:30
I found the spare - just give the word and I will mail it!

(no charge service!)

Crazy

Really appreciate that - the shop is 2 mins form my place, so no big deal.  If I get stuck, will take you up on your kind offer!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 20, 2014, 03:28:40
Installed some pre-load spacers in the forks; trying 25mm to start.  I feel that 30W oil is waaay too heavy so I'll hold off on changing it for the time being.

Changed sprocket ratios!

JT 35 tooth rear:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdeVy_Un-zClU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

JT 17 tooth front:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdBzYJvcUjWDU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Chain is a DID 428 o-ring.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: mikeyw64 on Jan 20, 2014, 03:39:32
Installed some pre-load spacers in the forks; trying 25mm to start.  I feel that 30W oil is waaay to heavy so I'll hold off on changing it for the time being.



How heavy are you ? I' around 105-110kg fully suited , booted & helmeted & am more than happy with 30w
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Jan 20, 2014, 03:42:09
Hi Crazy,
25mm is the dimension supplied in the Kit from 00racing
I just added a 16 tooth front sprocket on the weekend
no test rides yet and the weather not looking so good
any time soon
Also added some "lightness" with a new lithium battery
and tucking all the electrics under seat and hump
airbox is gone , still working on a velocity stack??? or ?

cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 20, 2014, 04:04:36
How heavy are you?

I guess I'd be about 80kg or a little less, depending on gear etc.. I want to see how it feels with just the pre-load before I change the oil.

Hi Crazy,
25mm is the dimension supplied in the Kit from 00racing
I just added a 16 tooth front sprocket on the weekend
no test rides yet and the weather not looking so good
any time soon
Also added some "lightness" with a new lithium battery
and tucking all the electrics under seat and hump
airbox is gone , still working on a velocity stack??? or ?

cheers ACEitup

My home-made spacers (patent applied for?!) can be easily altered up or down in length, so I should get something suitable sorted out!

The 17 tooth is the biggest that will fit, and with the extra width of the o-ring chain I had to do a bit of fudging.

Got an email today regarding the immanent delivery of an essential ingredient for my intake modifications, so I should be able to get started on that soon.

If we get a bit of a break with the weather we could do a joint run through the Royal to test the latest mods!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Jan 20, 2014, 04:51:16
Hi Crazy,
test run def required
see how we go?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Jan 20, 2014, 05:05:47
Installed some pre-load spacers in the forks
Hey Crazy
Did you just drop them in?
no oil level adjustment?
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 20, 2014, 05:54:51
Did you just drop them in?

More like shove and swear - some resistance is encountered!

Don't understand the logic of 30W oil; people seem happy enough with it, but I'm not convinced of its efficacy.
And a test run is definitely in order.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 20, 2014, 06:41:06
When putting on the new rear sprocket today I found that, as expected, the bushes in the hub were history.

Does anyone have any tips for removing the old ones and replacing them?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: rangering-17 on Jan 20, 2014, 08:30:58
When putting on the new rear sprocket today I found that, as expected, the bushes in the hub were history.

Does anyone have any tips for removing the old ones and replacing them?

Crazy

What do you mean by that? Can you attach a picture of it? And why 'as expected' ?
Fred
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 20, 2014, 15:31:04
And why 'as expected' ?

I've been experiencing some drive chain 'snatch', which is what happens when the bushes wear.  Others have had the same problem.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Jan 20, 2014, 18:36:53
When putting on the new rear sprocket today I found that, as expected, the bushes in the hub were history.

Does anyone have any tips for removing the old ones and replacing them?

Crazy

Hey Crazy,

Do you know the size of the bushings in the rear hub? Would OORacing supply them?
I'll replace them when I mount my new tires.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 20, 2014, 19:23:39

I've been experiencing some drive chain 'snatch', which is what happens when the bushes wear.  Others have had the same problem.

Crazy

I think thread and people like myself could benefit from understanding what/where they are etc - would you mind explaining?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 20, 2014, 21:09:24
I've been experiencing some drive chain 'snatch', which is what happens when the bushes wear.  Others have had the same problem.

Crazy

I change mine to honda cg125 bushing .. it fit nicely .. part number  41241-222-000
My mechanic use a flat screwdriver and hammer to knock the side til the old bushing is out of shape and replace it with the new 1 ..
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 20, 2014, 21:56:51
a flat screwdriver and hammer

That's what I thought; I had hoped for a more 'sophisticated' method, but brute force it will be!

would you mind explaining?

The parts of which we speak are numbered 3 in the illustration appended below.

Crazy
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 20, 2014, 22:52:56

That's what I thought; I had hoped for a more 'sophisticated' method, but brute force it will be!

The parts of which we speak are numbered 3 in the illustration appended below.

Crazy

Many thanks!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 20, 2014, 23:01:38
That's what I thought; I had hoped for a more 'sophisticated' method, but brute force it will be!

The parts of which we speak are numbered 3 in the illustration appended below.

Crazy
Another mechanic told me to burn the bushing area and remove it too .. but I but I chose to hammer it out .. and if you wanna change the bushing , do change the sporcket holder too . (Thats what my mechanic told me)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 21, 2014, 02:25:48
change the sprocket holder too

Got it covered!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 21, 2014, 03:49:31
I couldn't help myself!

While changing the sprockets I felt an irresistible urge to cut something:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcX-9IDugmb1k-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

The chain guard lost 10cm and a few grams.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: HerbertD on Jan 21, 2014, 11:16:58
I've Just completed the 150cc Big Bore upgrade, and delighted by the transformation. Having previously put on a 34 Rear Sprocket not long after purchasing the bike (Dec 2012)  I have now complemented it by installing a 16 tooth front sprocket now as well. With the power upgrade, it really cruises nicely, although not really given it the full beans yet, until it is run in properly!

Only hassles doing the upgrade kit was trying to undo the torque screws that hold the inlet manifold onto the original cyl.head. On mine, the torque screws are are weird type that I have not come across before - having a dimple in the middle - I think that they are a security feature - Fortunately, I have a very friendly local garage who had the correct Torque socket to fit!

Also, it was a devil of a job fitting the rockers on - Lost the pushrods into the motor 2 times - Having said that, Crazy's installation guide was a real help!

Just waiting for some decent weather to ride it now, although with the current UK weather, that probably won't happen for another 4 months.
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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Jan 21, 2014, 11:53:32
Well doesn't your Ace look ACE. Hope all goes well with the big bore. What make are your clip-ons? as I'm thinking of fitting some to mine and not sure which to go for. Tad
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: HerbertD on Jan 21, 2014, 12:35:59
Hi Tad,

I got the clip-ons via e-bay (From Hong Kong from memory) I seem to recall that they were approximately $30.00. Just tried to find the link on my e-bay history, but failed miserably, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Jan 21, 2014, 12:55:40
Okay dokey, cheers, I'll have a look.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 21, 2014, 15:32:19
not really given it the full beans yet …

I think you'll be impressed when you do!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 25, 2014, 07:49:37
Does anybody have the dimensions of the fork spacers. Do they need a hole through the middle or can they be solid?

Thanks

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 25, 2014, 20:02:35
19-20mm diameter x 25mm long (3/4" x 1") and definitely solid.

They really improve the feel of the front end!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Jan 26, 2014, 02:11:49
19-20mm diameter x 25mm long (3/4" x 1") and definitely solid.

They really improve the feel of the front end!

Crazy

Thanks Crazy. What are your thoughts about changing the oil? I weigh 67kg.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 26, 2014, 02:47:13
I am happy with just the spacers for the time being. Perhaps I will use a heavier oil in the future, but the 30W seems too heavy to me.

At 67kg you certainly have a weight advantage! Some other 'Ace' riders would be nearly double that.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: CaffEnthusiast on Jan 26, 2014, 05:29:19
Looking good! I'm just about ready to do the fork spacers too.. sick of bottoming out anytime I need to stop in any sort of a hurry!

-Tim
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Jan 26, 2014, 10:25:23
page 16  latest motorcycle trader...letters to the editor...ace article.. issue 278.  re rego ..bike in a box.  Thanks Rod Talor
tasmania
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 26, 2014, 18:31:32
ace article …

Thanks for the heads-up!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 27, 2014, 02:52:21
I am happy with just the spacers for the time being. Perhaps I will use a heavier oil in the future, but the 30W seems too heavy to me.

At 67kg you certainly have a weight advantage! Some other 'Ace' riders would be nearly double that.

Crazy
Can I diy the spacer for the fork? Ooracing fork upgrade costy to ship to singapore.. any alternative way?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 27, 2014, 04:10:34
any alternative way?

DIY easy!

A 10mm x 25mm hex bolt, two nuts with a spring washer between.
Tighten it all up and you have an object 19.25mm in diameter (across the diagonal) and 24.60mm long (flat to flat).
Insert in fork head up and refit fork cap.

If this doesn't make sense, I can post a photo.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 27, 2014, 08:47:08
DIY easy!

A 10mm x 25mm hex bolt, two nuts with a spring washer between.
Tighten it all up and you have an object 19.25mm in diameter (across the diagonal) and 24.60mm long (flat to flat).
Insert in fork head up and refit fork cap.

If this doesn't make sense, I can post a photo.

Crazy
i guess i need to see some photo..
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 27, 2014, 15:07:57
i guess i need to see some photo..

The threaded end goes into the centre of the spring, and the fork cap bears against the bolt head:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUehV1VXxBJt2U-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

It might be crude, but it's effective!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Jan 27, 2014, 15:47:48
The threaded end goes into the centre of the spring, and the fork cap bears against the bolt head:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUehV1VXxBJt2U-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

It might be crude, but it's effective!

Crazy

I'm so gonna try that! :D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 27, 2014, 21:03:46
The threaded end goes into the centre of the spring, and the fork cap bears against the bolt head:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUehV1VXxBJt2U-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

It might be crude, but it's effective!

Crazy
Sorry .. jus want to double confirm about the size .. which is the length of the screw and which is the size?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 27, 2014, 21:13:41
And btw .. what size of iridium spark plug fits ace?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 27, 2014, 21:20:29
what size of iridium spark plug fits ace?

I've found the NGK DPR9EIX satisfactory, although the NGK DPR8EIX should be fine also.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 27, 2014, 21:30:07
motorcycle trader...letters to the editor...

Just read the article; seems like the registration authorities in Taz have an enlightened attitude!

Also sent an email to Spannerman at Motorcycle Trader; in the October 2013 magazine he was preparing to receive an 'Ace' for assembly. I imagine that project has now been postponed indefinitely.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Jan 27, 2014, 21:31:09
I've found the NGK DPR9EIX satisfactory, although the NGK DPR8EIX should be fine also.

Crazy
Thanks so much .. will proceed to get 1 from ebay
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Jan 28, 2014, 17:04:36
Hi all

been makin' swarf int' shed.  My fork spring spacers are 19mm oa dia, 9mm hole right through and the shoulder is 11mm dia and 7mm long.

I also fit EBC brake shoes and a Ooracing's talon rear sprocket with 34 teeth and a 17 front sprocket.  Whilst it was in bits I made two alloy spacers for the rear wheel and figured that with all this extra speed and braking I'd better vent my rear hub.......


Welcome to our new members - Tad, are you in Yorkshire if so anywhere near Brighouse?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Jan 28, 2014, 17:05:40
Here are some pics of my vents....
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Jan 28, 2014, 23:18:19
Nice work. Have been thinking of doing the same to the rear brake. Also half way through making a rear wheel pit stand 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 29, 2014, 02:49:58
a rear wheel pit stand

A very useful item indeed!

Could do with one myself.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Jan 29, 2014, 03:43:11
Hi Dave, Sorry not near Brighouse but on East coast near Oliver's Mount (good place to ride the Ace). Brake vents are SO good, very period. Bet you formed the mesh yourself. If so you have to much time on your hands LOL. Fork spacers look well made.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 29, 2014, 03:54:28
Fuckin number plate fell off.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Jan 29, 2014, 03:56:08
Fuckin number plate fell off.
good reason to get a custom plate ;)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 29, 2014, 03:57:17

good reason to get a custom plate ;)

25 bucks for a new one up here. Done!

I used double nuts, but no spring washers. Lesson learnt x2 now.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 29, 2014, 06:44:39
Fuckin number plate fell off.

Nylock nuts are good as well!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: HerbertD on Jan 29, 2014, 07:10:40
Dave - M
Loving the Rear Vented hub - Very period, how many kitchen colanders were sacrificed in the making!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Dave M on Jan 29, 2014, 08:02:56
 Thanks for nice comments regarding vents - if you want to make some you need some ss mesh (think they use it for filters in model steam engines) a piece of tube same size as your hole and a piece of bar a couple of mill smaller than the tube id.  Mesh over hole in tube, bar centred over hole and mesh - squash it in the vice.
I glued them in from behind with Araldite (two part epoxy to any non UK folks) but made sure they were 'potted' and the glue went into some indents I drilled so it all ends up being 'cast' in place.
I am trying hard to keep all my mods period in appearance

Dave 
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Jan 29, 2014, 16:45:42

Nylock nuts are good as well!

Crazy

Yeah that's what I ended up using.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Jan 30, 2014, 01:42:47
It looks like we have the exact same rear shocks  ;)

Hi Alan,

Just wondering - what shocks do you have on your bike? Are these from OORacing? Also is the air filter the one from OO's stage 1 tune up kit? What did you have to do in order to fit it? Where did you put the battery? Under the seat?

Thanks,

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Jan 30, 2014, 04:34:47
Hi Alan,

Just wondering - what shocks do you have on your bike? Are these from OORacing? Also is the air filter the one from OO's stage 1 tune up kit? What did you have to do in order to fit it? Where did you put the battery? Under the seat?

Thanks,

Thomas

Hi thomas,

The shocks are not from OOracing. I ordered them online in a french store.
The filter I now have is a metal cornet but I used the OOracing stage 1 filter. There is nothing special to do to fit the filter. It's true that it pushs a bit against the frame but that is not a big issue.  Still I cut the manifold part of the orginal air box to make a pipe extension. You can see it on the picture.
The battery is just behing the metal plate number, I just put it perpendicular to the frame (if you consider originally it is parrallel to the frame), so it makes more room.

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Jan 30, 2014, 11:17:14
Hi Thomas, I've just picked my new shocks from our local dealer today for my Ace. They have come off a brand new CPI 125 he is breaking. They are 5cm longer than std so doesn't make the steering any quicker, but do have plenty of damping unlike std.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Feb 02, 2014, 18:41:29
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 03, 2014, 00:37:31
Genuine Honda bushes for the rear hub:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd82xAE3lpgG0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Removing the original bushes required brutality, finesse, but most of all, luck!
The hub casting is, as these things are, thin and brittle.

First bush went in easily:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUdpGLoX4_8hd0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

As did the rest:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUeWjz9DkVethU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

I don't know if all 'Ace' cush drive bushes are crappy, or if mine were just from a bad batch, but the Honda items should last waaay longer.

Crazy
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 03, 2014, 02:40:08
finally got my Ace few days ago and doing mods little by little for the last few days.

and just a quick question regarding EGR plate from Ooracing, what do i have to do to the connection of the black tubing goes back to the Carb after i remove the EGR? Just tie it off ?

many thx guys

joseph

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Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 03, 2014, 02:44:45
and just a quick question regarding EGR plate from Ooracing, what do i have to do to the connection of the black tubing goes back to the Carb after i remove the EGR? Just tie it off ?

yeah, get a bolt that  will fit into the hose and screw it in tight so it dosnt suck air, then tuck it up under the tank. or if you want to get tricky you can solder/braze the fitting closed on the air intake manifold where the hose goes to
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 03, 2014, 02:47:53
thx man

is there a right size screw cap will fit just right on the air intake of the Carb that will work just fine?

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Title: Re: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 03, 2014, 03:05:27
Just tie it off ?

Or use a short screw and thread lock:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUd7UmS9-rOs3k-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 03, 2014, 03:25:51
thanks big time !

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Feb 03, 2014, 07:35:33
I left the tube in and just put a brake blead valve rubber cap on it, perfect fit.

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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 03, 2014, 09:16:56

I left the tube in and just put a brake blead valve rubber cap on it, perfect fit.

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Do u have a pic of it?  (None motorcycle experiences except knowing how to drive it).

Thx


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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 03, 2014, 09:17:42
Just love this place, one question with plenty of helpful answers.  You guys are awesome !


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Feb 03, 2014, 14:11:00
No pic of the actual bike, but plenty of caps on eBay. $2 or $2 dollars each.
These things.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/04/yrahy8ut.jpg)

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 04, 2014, 00:21:56
Just love this place, one question with plenty of helpful answers.  You guys are awesome !


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Feb 04, 2014, 07:15:40
At a guess it probably says
'Sent from my iPad using tapatalk' ... :-)

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Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 04, 2014, 07:48:55
it is, just all in Chinese

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 04, 2014, 18:53:36
Don't mind me, I'm just being a smart arse.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 04, 2014, 23:42:16
Hello Fellow ACE owners,

I'm over in the wild west,(Freo just south of Perth WA).

Picked up my Silver and Black 125 last night, i am the second owner but the first didn't ride it so only 55Km on the clock!

Read through this quality thread yesterday, really looking forward to adding to it soon.

already ordered a few bits from OO, so hopefully be able to get some mod pics soon.

just one question for my first post, has anyone got a good place to order front break pads from as OO are out of stock?

thanks in advance Liam
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 05, 2014, 00:30:53
And here she is fully standard,
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o526/liamfrejiszyn/ace1_zps982b8f38.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/liamfrejiszyn/media/ace1_zps982b8f38.jpg.html)
and me with only slight mods
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o526/liamfrejiszyn/ace2_zpsb3e5233e.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/liamfrejiszyn/media/ace2_zpsb3e5233e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Feb 05, 2014, 00:36:09
Anyone have issue of fuel leaking from the tank cap?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 05, 2014, 00:41:05
Anyone have issue of fuel leaking from the tank cap?
yeah i do and so do some others, some guys have bent the tabs up a bit on the cap , and  dont fill it so much,
try not to brake hard as well lol
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Feb 05, 2014, 00:57:32
Anyone have issue of fuel leaking from the tank cap?
And upgrade the front shocks !
cheers
ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Just Dan on Feb 05, 2014, 01:38:44
page 16  latest motorcycle trader...letters to the editor...ace article.. issue 278.  re rego ..bike in a box.  Thanks Rod Talor
tasmania

Rocket Rod

(http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-K4x5cnv/0/L/IMG_0547-L.jpg) (http://justdan.smugmug.com/Bikes/Skyteam-ACE/i-K4x5cnv/A)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 05, 2014, 02:28:29
anyone got a good place to order front break pads …?

Welcome aboard Liam!

Should be able to get brake pads locally (Perth, if none in Freo).

You need EBC brake pads FA165HH.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 05, 2014, 03:06:47
Welcome aboard Liam!

Should be able to get brake pads locally (Perth, if none in Freo).

You need EBC brake pads FA165HH.

Crazy

Thanks Crazy,

i have a couple of days off so should be able to get hold of some.

really want to get the brakes, suspension and tyres sorted before i start playing with anything else.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 05, 2014, 05:31:45
really want to get the brakes, suspension and tyres sorted

Good priorities Liam!

The front brake is improved with new pads and a stainless braided hose; forks are way better with about 25mm pre-load, but rear shocks need to be replaced by something with some dampening.

I didn't think the original tyres that bad, but the rear was beyond legal in less than 4000k!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Feb 05, 2014, 10:39:22
My sparkplug came but my sparkplug cap could not cap. My spark plug cable is ngk cr 1 straight . Any solution?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: joeylimzy on Feb 05, 2014, 11:40:48
Found the solution .. I did not remove the terminal cap .. hahaha
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 05, 2014, 12:52:09
haha I had the exact same thought process last sunday  :D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 06, 2014, 04:45:08
Good priorities Liam!

The front brake is improved with new pads and a stainless braided hose; forks are way better with about 25mm pre-load, but rear shocks need to be replaced by something with some dampening.

I didn't think the original tyres that bad, but the rear was beyond legal in less than 4000k!

Crazy

I will stick with the tyres for now.

Got some shocks ordered and some other nice bits to make it all a little better.

How do you like yours with the clip-ons on?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 06, 2014, 07:39:41
How do you like yours with the clip-ons on?

The way it's set up now suits me perfectly!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Feb 07, 2014, 03:54:37
No pic of the actual bike, but plenty of caps on eBay. $2 or $2 dollars each.
These things.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/04/yrahy8ut.jpg)

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Scrap that, my rubber cap must have got blown off some time today with a missfire or something... had to hold my finger on the hole for 3km so it would run back home! lol

I have now unscrewed the coper and inserted a bolt. 
M6 1.0 pitch thread
Title: 回覆: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 07, 2014, 04:18:22
Scrap that, my rubber cap must have got blown off some time today with a missfire or something... had to hold my finger on the hole for 3km so it would run back home! lol

I have now unscrewed the coper and inserted a bolt. 
M6 1.0 pitch thread

good to know that ! Thanks.



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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 07, 2014, 22:34:23

... Picked up my Silver and Black 125 last night


Hi Liam.  Welcome on board.  I'm a newbie to this group also, and excited to be a part of it.

I've just ordered a Black framed 125 ACE also, and was told the engine is painted black ... it arrives next week.  Hope it looks like the one in the pic below.  But I can see that in the pic you posted, your engine is not painted black, just the frame.  Did you get yours new or did the previous owner paint it ?  I really prefer the pained engine.

Cheers,
Hazza00
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 08, 2014, 01:53:21
I would be painting the tank and fenders black ASAP too.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 08, 2014, 07:36:25
Finally have the EGR removed, upgraded rear shocks and front brake pad.  But somehow stucked when trying to put on the clip-on bars from Ooracing.  Thought it was as easy as clip onto the front fork ;(。Do i meant to remove the front piece (dont know what is called)where there are 3 bolts and slip the clip on to front fork? But i could not (seriously)turn any of the bolts at all,what am i doing wrong ? Any help will be appreciated !




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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 09, 2014, 00:45:18
Hi Liam.  Welcome on board.  I'm a newbie to this group also, and excited to be a part of it.

I've just ordered a Black framed 125 ACE also, and was told the engine is painted black ... it arrives next week.  Hope it looks like the one in the pic below.  But I can see that in the pic you posted, your engine is not painted black, just the frame.  Did you get yours new or did the previous owner paint it ?  I really prefer the pained engine.

Cheers,
Hazza00

It's new but it's a 2012 model that the previous owner stored and never used.

The engine is origanal and not painted.

The rear fender is coming off soon so won't need to be painting that.

Can't wait to get my box of bits this week!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 09, 2014, 03:33:28
the clip-on bars from Ooracing.

This post is probably a bit late, but maybe not.

Looking at the photo on the OORacing site, it appears that you need to remove the top triple clamp to slide the bars onto the fork leg.  This is a common method of fitting clip-ons. One (or more) of the bolts is used to tighten the bar in position.

As to why the bolts can't be undone, I have no idea.  Perhaps they need some penetrating oil to loosen them.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: borrachadog on Feb 09, 2014, 07:20:34
Finally have the EGR removed, upgraded rear shocks and front brake pad.  But somehow stucked when trying to put on the clip-on bars from Ooracing.  Thought it was as easy as clip onto the front fork ;(。Do i meant to remove the front piece (dont know what is called)where there are 3 bolts and slip the clip on to front fork? But i could not (seriously)turn any of the bolts at all,what am i doing wrong ? Any help will be appreciated !



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 crazy is right to fit clip ons the top yolk has to come off, and yes the 3 nuts are tight! the large nut is super tight i had to use a breaker bar to get that one to shift.
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 09, 2014, 07:22:58
the other way would be to drop the forks  down a bit and slide them on that way.
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Post by: josephau on Feb 09, 2014, 07:26:17
gd then, at least im heading the right direction, will try again later after building up more muscle....

has anyone tried the combination of QA throttle with the stock electric setup?

cheers


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Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 09, 2014, 15:32:04
has anyone tried the combination of QA throttle with the stock electric setup?

I used switches from OORacing with the QA throttle:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUcRPCrqmj-75E-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
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Post by: Novgarod on Feb 13, 2014, 10:42:11
Finally got the m45's fitted. Wow, what an improvement! In retrospect I'm tempted to go as far, as to say, that the original tires are so bad they're dangerous. They're unpredictable, slippery and very uneven, in comparison to the Michelin's. I guess they're ok on gravel roads, but on any paved surfaces the Micelin m45 is really superior! I was just amazed at the grip provide! Finally I have the confidence to really lean in to the corner and let it rip! My best investment in the bike so far!!  :D
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Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 13, 2014, 16:42:03
Loving my M45s!

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUckzeu9yGtXW0-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
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Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 13, 2014, 19:03:05
These look good guys how much are you paying for a set? Did you online them or will local shops get them in?
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Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 13, 2014, 19:43:35
These look good guys how much are you paying for a set? Did you online them or will local shops get them in?

Yeah I'd love to know as well.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 13, 2014, 20:43:35
They should be available just about anywhere!

I got mine from the local suburban bike shop. I don't remember the exact price, but it was a little less than $100.

Crazy
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Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 13, 2014, 22:17:09
Thanks Crazy, I apologise in advance for the lame question.

What size did you go for?

Cheers and sorry such a noob question I should be able to work it out myself but the brain just isn't working this morning.
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Post by: vonmighty on Feb 13, 2014, 22:20:27
Thanks Crazy, I apologise in advance for the lame question.

What size did you go for?

Cheers and sorry such a noob question I should be able to work it out myself but the brain just isn't working this morning.

I am also a noob and would like to know... :)
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Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 13, 2014, 23:20:07
So the standard size looks to be 2.75x18 Front and 3.00x18 Rear.

Has anyone tried anything different or is stock size the way to go?
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Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 13, 2014, 23:58:02
I went for standard size tyres.

Couldn't see that anything would be gained by doing otherwise!

Crazy
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Post by: vonmighty on Feb 14, 2014, 00:33:39
Sounds good to me.

Ive noticed riding around that the front end really dips down on breaking with the front break, is there any way to correct this?
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Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 14, 2014, 00:52:42
About 25mm of pre-load on top of the fork springs!

See back at page 75.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: vonmighty on Feb 14, 2014, 00:56:20
Ahh with the bolts and stuff? I gotcha.
Might need a walkthrough though... :/
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Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 14, 2014, 01:03:42
Hey Von, I will also be going through the fork pre load procces so I will take plenty of pics.
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Post by: vonmighty on Feb 14, 2014, 01:09:44
Awesome, that would be very helpful...
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Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 14, 2014, 01:11:13
Might need a walkthrough though... :/

Easy peasy! (almost)

I used some 10mm bolts I had on hand, but the critical thing is having about 19mm measurement (but less than 20mm) across the diagonal on the head.

Remove top triple clamp and undo fork cap plugs.  These can be really tight due to a small amount of rust.
Put nut-and-bolts assemblies on top of fork springs, and replace fork plugs.  This is the hard part, as it's difficult to force the springs down and turn the plugs at the same time.  Do whatever you have to do (including copious swearing) to get them back into place, but don't neglect to use some type of anti-seize on the threads.

Crazy
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Post by: vonmighty on Feb 14, 2014, 01:36:51
Ahhh I gotcha, cheers Crazy
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Post by: Novgarod on Feb 14, 2014, 03:47:00
I paid 700Nkr fitted. (About 100$)
Went for the original 18/2.75 front, but went up e size in the rear, to 3.25. The reason for that is my own weight of 93kg. A little more load capacity and contact surface won't be a bad thing.  ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 14, 2014, 13:26:47
Quick question:

Where can I find a new outer spoke for my front wheel?

Don't have the dimensions on hand. But I already tried a CG 125 spoke from CMS, and it wasn't the right size. :(
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 14, 2014, 14:24:43
Quick question:

Where can I find a new outer spoke for my front wheel?

Don't have the dimensions on hand. But I already tried a CG 125 spoke from CMS, and it wasn't the right size. :(

skyteam parts is the place to go.

http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/front-wheel/ (http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/front-wheel/)
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Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 14, 2014, 15:32:15
Thanks sprocket!
Didn't think about the skyteam website :p
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Post by: josephau on Feb 15, 2014, 02:06:27
how do you guys secure the C.D.I. unite after you install it?  and where normally should it be secured to?

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Post by: joeylimzy on Feb 15, 2014, 07:06:27
how do you guys secure the C.D.I. unite after you install it?  and where normally should it be secured to?

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using cable tie to secure it
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Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 15, 2014, 07:34:41
how do you guys secure the C.D.I. unite after you install it?  and where normally should it be secured to?

I used metal wire and made a little spiderweb thingy to attach it to the inside of my custom rear fender (read: painted plank of wood)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 15, 2014, 07:38:40
And another thing.

A couple of weeks ago I changed my spark plug to an iridium one from ooracing. I checked it this week while working on the bike and the tip was completely white, while my old spark plug had this perfect coffee with cream, like my teacher calls it, color. I only changed the spark plug. I did a spark plug test with the old one and the color was perfect.
I have yet to run a back to back test with both spark plugs.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 15, 2014, 07:40:06
The grey spots on the iridium spark plug is from cleaning the thread.
Sorry for the crappy picture, I have an Iphone 3G, can't even film with that thing...
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 15, 2014, 07:42:47
Just remembered, the last time I did a high speed run, it felt a little lean at the top end. Gonna try to run it again with the old spark plug.
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Post by: josephau on Feb 16, 2014, 00:27:49
not too sure about you guys with your stock battery, i think i might have got a doggy leaky one.

any recommendation on new battery ? Planning to move the battery with the battery box conversion kit from Ooracing. 

Yuasa/MBT/Shorai ?

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: vonmighty on Feb 16, 2014, 01:19:00
If I was to buy a rear fender eliminator, do I need to rewire anything?

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for a rear fender eliminator for the ace?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 16, 2014, 07:00:01
Easy peasy! (almost)

I used some 10mm bolts I had on hand, but the critical thing is having about 19mm measurement (but less than 20mm) across the diagonal on the head.

Remove top triple clamp and undo fork cap plugs.  These can be really tight due to a small amount of rust.
Put nut-and-bolts assemblies on top of fork springs, and replace fork plugs.  This is the hard part, as it's difficult to force the springs down and turn the plugs at the same time.  Do whatever you have to do (including copious swearing) to get them back into place, but don't neglect to use some type of anti-seize on the threads.

Crazy

Hi crazy,

I might need a little help with my switch gear, I got the CNC'd left hand one from OO. How did you get the side light to be on did you just it a link in?
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Post by: joeylimzy on Feb 16, 2014, 08:03:12
Which coil do you guys use? i heard that changing coil may have more bhp.
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 16, 2014, 08:12:31
Which coil do you guys use? i heard that changing coil may have more bhp.
you wont see a increase of hp with a new coil, at best it will stop the spark breaking down at high rpm so the motor will rev higher, add in a better cdi that can go higher as well and you increase the max rpms,but a motor dosnt make its max horsepower at max rpms so its no real help there.  then you have the issue of valve bounce and the push rods not keeping up.

it will make it smoother , but not more powerful
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Post by: joeylimzy on Feb 16, 2014, 09:25:45
you wont see a increase of hp with a new coil, at best it will stop the spark breaking down at high rpm so the motor will rev higher, add in a better cdi that can go higher as well and you increase the max rpms,but a motor dosnt make its max horsepower at max rpms so its no real help there.  then you have the issue of valve bounce and the push rods not keeping up.

it will make it smoother , but not more powerful
I changed my cdi to http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/360746106604?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
the cdi allows me to rev higher. and im having problem with 5th gear .. no power at 5th gear . it jus maintain there.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: musket the dog on Feb 17, 2014, 11:05:32
Made some of the mods I have been planning for a while to my Ace when I was at home for the weekend. First checked the valve clearances, mine turned out to be another bike with zero clearance from the factory. Then from that installed the stage 1 kit from OOracing. I chose not to move the battery, instead I cut the air box to keep the battery mounting and make room for the foam filter. Fits nicely in the end, plenty of room around the filter. Jets changed in the carb too. Still looking at options for the exhaust but really happy with the pick up in performance so far, she warms up so much quicker and definitely gets through the gears quicker. Still have the rear sprocket to do but I'll wait for new tyres before I change that.

Also changed the rear light and a quick ride out to the charity shop got me a new tank strap to replace the awful looking rubber one.



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Post by: musket the dog on Feb 17, 2014, 11:10:15
Out of interest my bike arrived with no EGR stuff attached, instead I had this agricultural looking blanking plate. As far as I've seen I'm not aware of any other Aces with this? Wondering if it was a factory thing or done by the distributors. I'm assuming it just didn't need it to get past UK regs.
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Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 18, 2014, 05:50:59
... installed the stage 1 kit from OOracing.  Jets changed in the carb too. Still looking at options for the exhaust but really happy with the pick up in performance so far, she warms up so much quicker and definitely gets through the gears quicker.

Hi musket ... that's inspiring to know, as I was thinking of doing the same.  With the re-jet, was it a simple case of remove old, fit new or did you need to spend lots of time adjusting and re-adjusting to get it to run right ?  Also, presuming the power gains are with the stock exhaust still on (incl. cat) or did you remove the cat and/or drill the hole in rear of stock ?

Cheers
Haz
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Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 18, 2014, 06:10:17
Wondering if it was a factory thing or done by the distributors.

Nope - mine came with the full EGR kit (in Oz), but I didn't have a proper blanking plate, so I did a 5 cent fix (literally!) ... I sandwiched an Aussie 5 cent coin (yep!!) in between the EGR flange and the engine ... seemed to work !

But since I didn't re-jet my carb or play around with the exhaust, there was no perceptible difference, so I removed the 5 cent coin.

Oh the joys of cheap mods! hehe

Haz
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Post by: musket the dog on Feb 18, 2014, 07:58:25
Hi musket ... that's inspiring to know, as I was thinking of doing the same.  With the re-jet, was it a simple case of remove old, fit new or did you need to spend lots of time adjusting and re-adjusting to get it to run right ?  Also, presuming the power gains are with the stock exhaust still on (incl. cat) or did you remove the cat and/or drill the hole in rear of stock ?

Cheers
Haz

Hi Haz,

Nope, just dropped the new one straight in and fired up on the kick start easier than it ever did before. To be honest as I was pushed for time and so happy with the improvement I didn't mess around with adjusting it. Runs great as it was, might have a look at it when I'm next at home.

Yep still with the stock exhaust in factory condition. Did like the look and reviews of Skyteam's own performance part but it doesn't seem to be available on their parts website any more.
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Post by: vonmighty on Feb 18, 2014, 19:33:10
Quote
Hi Haz,

Nope, just dropped the new one straight in and fired up on the kick start easier than it ever did before. To be honest as I was pushed for time and so happy with the improvement I didn't mess around with adjusting it. Runs great as it was, might have a look at it when I'm next at home.

Yep still with the stock exhaust in factory condition. Did like the look and reviews of Skyteam's own performance part but it doesn't seem to be available on their parts website any more.

Hey Musket, which carb did you end up going for?
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Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 20, 2014, 01:58:49
Hey guys,

Would these shocks work on ours? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/330mm-shock-absorbers-to-fit-SR400-SR500-etc-Cafe-Racer-Tracker-Bobber-/201033706849?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ece8aed61
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Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 20, 2014, 02:13:23
Hey guys,

Would these shocks work on ours? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/330mm-shock-absorbers-to-fit-SR400-SR500-etc-Cafe-Racer-Tracker-Bobber-/201033706849?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ece8aed61

I'm going to say probably, but i would find out if the are dampened before ordering, as they dont give you a lot of info on the ebay.
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Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 20, 2014, 02:14:03
I'm going to say probably, but i would find out if the are dampened before ordering, as they dont give you a lot of info on the ebay.

they're just down the road from me, so no big deal
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Brodie on Feb 20, 2014, 02:19:43
They look like they would be a bit stiff for the Ace.

If you ask Raf (Owner of Mostyn) I am sure he will be happy to help out. He should have the info on hand.

http://mostynindustries.com.au/Shock-Absorbers-330mm (http://mostynindustries.com.au/Shock-Absorbers-330mm)
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Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 20, 2014, 02:30:25
They look like they would be a bit stiff for the Ace.

If you ask Raf (Owner of Mostyn) I am sure he will be happy to help out. He should have the info on hand.

http://mostynindustries.com.au/Shock-Absorbers-330mm (http://mostynindustries.com.au/Shock-Absorbers-330mm)

Yeah Raf's helped me out with some other bits too, good chap.
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Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 20, 2014, 05:19:23
Looks like a very reasonable price too, Chris ... did you end up getting it ?

Haz
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Post by: joeylimzy on Feb 21, 2014, 09:18:15
1 of my rear hub spoke is broken. anyone knows whats the length of the spoke? front and back!
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 21, 2014, 18:54:56

Looks like a very reasonable price too, Chris ... did you end up getting it ?

Haz

Nah, not yet. When I do, I'll let you know.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 21, 2014, 21:07:36

19-20mm diameter x 25mm long (3/4" x 1") and definitely solid.

They really improve the feel of the front end!

Crazy

Need to take off the front wheel or just the fork caps?
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Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 21, 2014, 21:25:24
Need to take off the front wheel or just the fork caps?

Leave the front wheel on, you have the remove the top triple clamp fully off to get the the caps that hold the spring in.

Get the bike on a stand to take the weight off the front it will make the job easier.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 21, 2014, 21:39:00
Does the length of the bolt from the top of the bolt to the end of the bolt need to be 25mm or is it to the base of the lower nut?
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Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 22, 2014, 04:17:27
the lower nut?

That will do it!

The excess threaded section just goes into the centre of the spring.

Crazy
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 23, 2014, 01:28:46
funny thing happened, had a hipster run down the street to get a photo of the bike, got talking and he thought it was an old gilera , i told him it wasn't and went on to tell him the reason we cant get good bikes is because all the hipsters are buying them up at over inflated prices. should have seen the look on his face, he wasnt impressed, priceless ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Quantumdriver on Feb 23, 2014, 15:48:11
I have spent a bit of time working on my Ace this week. Principally I have installed new instruments in an attempt to tidy up the front end and make the bike look a bit more 'sporty'! I sourced the tachometer and speedometer from China via Ebay and was quite impressed with the quality. They have dark faces and are attractively back lit with a blue light. The needles glow red when the lights are on. I fabricated a new bracket and located the original warning light cluster on it. I am pleased with the look and operation of the set up. I test rode the bike yesterday and the instruments work fine. I want to check the calibration of the speedo with my GPS, but it feels about right. Any thoughts or feedback?
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Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 23, 2014, 15:57:08
I like it, looks more sporty!  Do the needles swing from left to right then left again when you first power up (like on a Ducati?).

Where did you tap the tacho input signal from ?  (I also bought one from eBay, but hasn't arrived yet.  Don't know where to wire it up from - I always thought you got a signal from the CDI unit?).

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Quantumdriver on Feb 23, 2014, 16:17:03
Glad you like my set up. The gauges don't swing right over when you power up. The don't move until they get an input. The tachometer is easy to connect: you have a live and earth connection and a wire that goes to the low tension connector on the coil. I wired the back lights to the pilot light on the headlamp as I did not want to cut into the loom under the tank.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 23, 2014, 16:32:05
I have spent a bit of time working on my Ace this week. Principally I have installed new instruments in an attempt to tidy up the front end and make the bike look a bit more 'sporty'! I sourced the tachometer and speedometer from China via Ebay and was quite impressed with the quality. They have dark faces and are attractively back lit with a blue light. The needles glow red when the lights are on. I fabricated a new bracket and located the original warning light cluster on it. I am pleased with the look and operation of the set up. I test rode the bike yesterday and the instruments work fine. I want to check the calibration of the speedo with my GPS, but it feels about right. Any thoughts or feedback?
cool looks good, i was wondering if those speedos would work on the ace :)
do you have a link to the one you bought?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 23, 2014, 16:38:24
Welcome aboard Quantumdriver!

It looks like you've been bitten by the modification bug, so you've come to the right place.

Are you another rider from Oz, or do you hail from elsewhere?

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Quantumdriver on Feb 23, 2014, 16:38:29
The instruments are on ebay, enter 291043222741 in the ebay search field.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 23, 2014, 16:39:50
The instruments are on ebay, enter 291043222741 in the ebay search field.
thanks mate !
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Quantumdriver on Feb 23, 2014, 16:40:22
I am in the UK, I live in Eastbourne on the south coast, directly south of London. I just wish he had weather as warm as you guys have!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 23, 2014, 16:52:13
I just wish he had weather as warm as you guys have!

I hear you've been doing it pretty tough with the weather lately!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Quantumdriver on Feb 23, 2014, 16:53:12
Whilst working on the Ace this week I spotted that the rear sprocket was loose. On investigation all 4 of the securing nuts were less than finger tight, the bike has done 1000k's. I'd advise all owners to check their nuts!
I had to repaint the swing arm as it was rusty in places. I found that Ford carmine red was a pretty good match! not perfect, but certainly close enough.
I also discovered by reference to other bikes in my collection that the lower fork yoke (triple tree) is an exact match to an early seventies Honda cb125s and a late sixties s90. The top yoke from a CB125s fits also but lacks the lugs for the instrument and headlamp brackets.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 23, 2014, 17:06:44
the rear sprocket was loose

At least it was only the nuts! When my rear sprocket was loose it turned out that the cush-drive rubbers had disintegrated.

I found that Ford carmine red was a pretty good match! not perfect, but certainly close enough.
I also discovered by reference to other bikes in my collection that the lower fork yoke (triple tree) is an exact match to an early seventies Honda cb125s and a late sixties s90. The top yoke from a CB125s fits also but lacks the lugs for the instrument and headlamp brackets.

Thanks for the information on alternative sources - this helps build a database that can be very useful.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 23, 2014, 17:24:03
The instruments are on ebay, enter 291043222741 in the ebay search field.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 23, 2014, 18:03:09
Ford carmine red was a pretty good match!

I've been trying to find Ford carmine red here in Oz, but without success.
If you could let me know the paint manufacturer's name and the product number it would be a great help!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 24, 2014, 02:01:02
I am in the UK, I live in Eastbourne on the south coast, directly south of London. I just wish he had weather as warm as you guys have!

Hi Quantumdriver, welcome. I like the look of your insruments. I also live on the south coast between Southampton and Portsmouth. I pick my Ace up at the weekend (hopefully).

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 24, 2014, 02:43:06
Whilst working on the Ace this week I spotted that the rear sprocket was loose. On investigation all 4 of the securing nuts were less than finger tight, the bike has done 1000k's. I'd advise all owners to check their nuts!

... Damn - that sounds seriously bad!  Thnks for the heads-up, will check before each ride.  Hate for a sprocket to come loose doing 100+ kmh

I read that others have reported their front sprockets were also loose - can someone plse advise how to check the front unit (do i have to drain the oil and remove engine side cover?)

Cheers, Haz
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 24, 2014, 02:49:47
hey Hazza

just remove the front crancase by removing two bolts, one on top with the earth cable attaching to and the other one on the bottom.

check the retainer clip holding the sprocket and also check for any dirty stuff.

correct me if im wrong though guys.

cheers

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Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 24, 2014, 03:06:45
Cool - thnks Joseph!  Hope you sorted out your carby issues?

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 24, 2014, 10:57:49
Just did 115kph with a tailwind, can't wait to order the new exhaust :D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Quantumdriver on Feb 24, 2014, 11:19:00
It's a lovely day here, 12 degrees and sunny so I have just taken the Skyteam out with its new instruments for a test and calibration run. The results are not bad. I used my GPS to check speeds. The speedometer runs about 5 kph fast throughout the range. The rev counter is more difficult to check but seems about right, it maxes out at peak revs at about 9500, which is what my early 70's Honda CB125s does, however it shows 2000 at a slow tickover, which is wrong, it should be about 900.

My bike maxes out on the flat with my 99kg form on it at about 57mph as indicated by the GPS. I have taken the EGR set up off and blanked off the port in the head and sealed the inlet pipe at the carb, other than I think the bike is standard, I bought it second hand and I can see no sign of tuning. Do this top speed seem about right? I am pleasantly surprised, my CB 125s is about the same and it has no catalyst or emission devices and runs an overhead cam. If I can unlock a bit more mid range grunt and say a genuine 60mph top end, sitting up, by freeing up the exhaust and rejetting, I'll be chuffed.

Now, will the XL 185 motor I have on shelf fit?!!!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Feb 24, 2014, 11:44:05
Now, will the XL 185 motor I have on shelf fit?!!!

Measure it up and find out? :D
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Feb 24, 2014, 12:35:41


My bike maxes out on the flat with my 99kg form on it at about 57mph as indicated by the GPS.
Now, will the XL 185 motor I have on shelf fit?!!!
I'd say that's about right - well the same as mine with my 95kg on it anyway ! Does the balancer shaft arrangement make the crankcase effectively "longer" between the horizontal  mounts ?
I am running a 16T front sprocket that may well be over geared a lot of the time .
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 24, 2014, 13:31:10
How do I attach a photo? When I try to add an attachment it says that the file is too big and I do not know how to make it the right size.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 24, 2014, 22:02:49
How do I attach a photo? When I try to add an attachment it says that the file is too big and I do not know how to make it the right size.

Wayne

hey Wayne get yourself a photobucket http://s1146.photobucket.com/  account upload pic onto it then copy the IMG URL and paste directly into the forum reply box and the image should appear when you post the post.

(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o526/liamfrejiszyn/0D30D0A2-546E-4779-84D3-BB071043F888-1537-0000070FF6156381_zps6a1f1fe3.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/liamfrejiszyn/media/0D30D0A2-546E-4779-84D3-BB071043F888-1537-0000070FF6156381_zps6a1f1fe3.jpg.html)

URL=https46.photot.com/user/liamfrejiszyn/media/-546E-4779-84D3-BB071043F888-1537-0000070FF6156381_zps6a1f1fe3.jpg.html](http://i1146.pet.com/albums/o526/liamfrejiszyn/0DD0A2-546E-4779-84D3-BB071043F888-1537-0000070FF6156381_zps63.jg)[/URL

this link above is similar to how the pics look as the URL link.

not sure if that makes sense as i'm no computer wiz.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 25, 2014, 02:04:44
hey Wayne get yourself a photobucket http://s1146.photobucket.com/  account upload pic onto it then copy the IMG URL and paste directly into the forum reply box and the image should appear when you post the post.


Thanks. I will try that.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 25, 2014, 07:46:37
I went to pay the dealer on Saturday and take a look at my Ace. It had not been prepped for delivery yet, hopefully I will get it this weekend.

Wayne
http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/WJPez/media/20140222_133351_zpse4e6b5dc.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0#/user/WJPez/media/20140222_133351_zpse4e6b5dc.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0&_suid=139332869641209910044493009544
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 25, 2014, 07:51:09
hey Wayne get yourself a photobucket http://s1146.photobucket.com/  account upload pic onto it then copy the IMG URL and paste directly into the forum reply box and the image should appear when you post the post.


I uploaded the picture to Photobucket and copied the link into a post, but from my end I do not see a picture, all I see is a link that when clicked on opens up the image.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Feb 25, 2014, 07:54:47
looking good wayne...
you will love the bike the first time you ride it...but it just keeps getting better...more power with mods .  every time you get off the bike someone will come up for a chat.
enjoy mate!!!

pete
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Quantumdriver on Feb 25, 2014, 08:56:32
Just the job Wayne! You are going to love it!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 25, 2014, 09:06:56
looking good wayne...
you will love the bike the first time you ride it...but it just keeps getting better...more power with mods .  every time you get off the bike someone will come up for a chat.
enjoy mate!!!

pete
Thanks Pete. I already have the Skyteam chrome decat exhaust on order with the dealer, I also have new jets and the egr blanking plate. I just hope it gets registered this week so that I can get out and ride it on Saturday.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 25, 2014, 09:08:31
Just the job Wayne! You are going to love it!

Thanks, where did you buy your bike from? The guy at the Scooter Warehouse in Worthing said that he has sold another one in between me ordering my bike after Christmas and going to see him last Saturday.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Feb 25, 2014, 10:24:23
hey Wayne get yourself a photobucket http://s1146.photobucket.com/  account upload pic onto it then copy the IMG URL and paste directly into the forum reply box and the image should appear when you post the post.


I uploaded the picture to Photobucket and copied the link into a post, but from my end I do not see a picture, all I see is a link that when clicked on opens up the image.

Wayne

If you click on a pic in your photo album in photobucket an URL link should be on the right hand side copy that and paste into your post and the pic should show up.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 25, 2014, 11:04:14
If you click on a pic in your photo album in photobucket an URL link should be on the right hand side copy that and paste into your post and the pic should show up.

Thanks. I'll try that next time.

Wayne

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 25, 2014, 11:11:57
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b617/WJPez/th_20140222_133120_zps05500179.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/WJPez/media/20140222_133120_zps05500179.jpg.html)

I just adjusted my settings in photobucket and now I get thumb URL links, I am just testing to see if the pic of my bike at the dealers comes out.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Feb 25, 2014, 17:18:08
Hey you Aussies, there isn't many insurance companies that would have the Ace in their system - so far I have found only NRMA and Swann, are there other options? Cheers!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 25, 2014, 17:40:04
Mine's with the NRMA.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 25, 2014, 19:06:17
I use RACQ
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 25, 2014, 19:07:03
Saw another ACE in Brisbane yesterday.

With a huge Ducati sticker on the tank.

And 2 large air horns.

oh dear.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Feb 25, 2014, 19:40:01
had a fleeting glimpse of another ace in adelaide.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Feb 26, 2014, 04:00:19
tank mod
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 26, 2014, 04:37:40
Do anyone has chain/shifting gear problems after changing the front sprocket to 17T with the stock rear sprocket?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 26, 2014, 05:47:51
When I fitted a 17T front sprocket I also fitted a 35T rear, so my experience is different than yours.

My problem arose through using an o-ring chain, which is wider than standard:

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The chain links rubbed against part of the crankcase casting and made rotation difficult.
Using a Dremel I carefully ground away just sufficient metal to allow bare clearance.

I suggest you see if your chain is binding anywhere, and remove the obstruction if possible.

Crazy
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Post by: josephau on Feb 26, 2014, 05:55:58
thx crazy,

did u have a stand for u to check while u spin the wheel freely to check which part it rubs?

i think my chain was rubbing the crank case as well as the swing arm at a higher speed.  But i can not tell if that was the case since i dont have a stand to see it happens.

my local mechanic told me should have change the rear but not the front...thought it was easy enough to do front so i have only ordered the 17T from Oo.

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 26, 2014, 05:59:00
Saw another ACE in Brisbane yesterday.

With a huge Ducati sticker on the tank.

... I actually thought of sticking one of those small 'vintage DUCATI' type decals on my tank !! hehe (my other bike is a Duc Monster) - but I ended up going for a 'winged HM' sticker instead, HM = Hazza's Motorcycle !!

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 26, 2014, 06:02:08
I fitted a 17T front sprocket I also fitted a 35T rear ...

... Hi Crazy ... did that combo give you more low down torque, or higher top end speed ?

I'm chasing more low down torque (hilly area where I bike).  What's your recommendation?

I know when I changed my Duc Monster's front sprocket to a lower count, the change was very dramatic, changed the bike's feel completely.  Was hoping to do the same on the Ace.

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 26, 2014, 06:02:39
The larger front sprocket reduces stress on the chain, so it's a good idea!

Unfortunately I don't have a stand (yet!).  I wheeled the bike about ten metres, then removed the sprocket and chain to see where it had rubbed against the case.

It might work for you as well.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 26, 2014, 06:10:46
What's your recommendation?

The 17/35 gives me more top speed at the expense of mid-range torque.

It works well enough for about 100-110kph without too much revving, but lacks a bit on the uphill.  It would be hopelessly over-geared if not for the 150cc conversion!

A future modification I have in mind will reduce this gearing somewhat.

ACEitup has fitted a 17T with the standard rear, and find it helps the drive out of corners and uphill quite dramatically.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Feb 26, 2014, 06:20:52
ACEitup has fitted a 17T with the standard rear, and find it helps the drive out of corners and uphill quite dramatically.

... but josephau's said "chain/shifting gear problems after changing the front sprocket to 17T with the stock rear sprocket" ...

hmmm.  Confused.  Presuming the stock chain can be used with the 17T/stock rear combo, or do I need to change the chain also?

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 26, 2014, 06:43:29
Just been following along on the chain saga, and for what its worth i would throw chain tightness out there for shifting problems, if the chain is too tight it might bind the output shaft and make it stick.
how much deflection doyou get on the chain when you check how tight it is. the manual tells you    you need,.25-35 mm, look on page 54
but im just throwing it out there , might not be the problem.
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 26, 2014, 06:58:46
i did not measure the exact figures but i would say it was around an inch above and below.  the mechanic had it back to the 15T for now and its running fine.

or maybe my mechanic just being lazy to test it for me.

i might have another go later on.....

should i loosen up the chain a bit more ?



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Title: Re: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 26, 2014, 07:08:28
i did not measure the exact figures but i would say it was around an inch above and below.  the mechanic had it back to the 15T for now and its running fine.

or maybe my mechanic just being lazy to test it for me.

i might have another go later on.....

should i loosen up the chain a bit more ?



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no thats good, 1 inch is about 2.5cm so its fine
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Feb 26, 2014, 07:08:44
Too tight can put a strain on out put bearing, but if chain is very slack it makes for a sloppy gear change as the rear wheel is snatching at drive shaft when changing gear.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Feb 26, 2014, 07:12:21
Also you need to be checking the chain tension while your sat on your bike as it tightens up as suspension goes down.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: musket the dog on Feb 26, 2014, 07:53:07
Hi all,

Wanted to give my bike its first oil change at the weekend, don't have the handbook on me I was just wondering what type of oil people have been using and how much should I expect it to take? Also any other tips for the first change?

Many thanks,
Ricky
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 26, 2014, 08:03:33
im using 15w-40 valvoline synthetic without friction modifers (its in an ornge bottle, 1ltr)
 a full oil change s 800ml of oil, they dont take much so change it fairly often.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 27, 2014, 22:05:46
Question. 

This behaviour may be completely normal, but wanted to check.  When the bike is cold, and been sitting in first, clutch in there is some resistance if I push the bike forward, or if I start it can push forward a tiny bit.  Its as if the clutch is slightly engaged.

If I push the bike forward (with clutch in) a couple of inchs or start there is no further feeling that the clutch is engaged just slightly.

Also, I can only shift into neutral when the bike is running and release the clutch slightly in first to get the gears spinning then can shift into neutral.

Is this normal or is my clutch adjustment off.  Its not a big issue from my perspective, but wanted to check.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Feb 27, 2014, 22:56:46
Question. 

This behaviour may be completely normal, but wanted to check.  When the bike is cold, and been sitting in first, clutch in there is some resistance if I push the bike forward, or if I start it can push forward a tiny bit.  Its as if the clutch is slightly engaged.

If I push the bike forward (with clutch in) a couple of inchs or start there is no further feeling that the clutch is engaged just slightly.

Also, I can only shift into neutral when the bike is running and release the clutch slightly in first to get the gears spinning then can shift into neutral.

Is this normal or is my clutch adjustment off.  Its not a big issue from my perspective, but wanted to check.

Mine is the same, also curious about that!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 27, 2014, 23:00:40
its normal for the clutch to stick a little when its cold , to get it into neutral rock the bike back and forth with the clutch out and the bike off to shift into neutral.(the motor likes to be spinning to shift.)
  when its running in gear it shouldnt feel like its creeping or stalling
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 27, 2014, 23:38:48

its normal for the clutch to stick a little when its cold , to get it into neutral rock the bike back and forth with the clutch out and shift into neutral.(the motor likes to be spinning to shift.
  when its running in gear it shouldnt feel like its creeping or stalling

Thank you!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 28, 2014, 00:00:26
Saw another ACE in Brisbane yesterday.

With a huge Ducati sticker on the tank.

And 2 large air horns.

oh dear.
that would be Vince, he is in the facebook ace group
(im sure thats a bottle opener on the mounting plate for the EGR)
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 28, 2014, 00:01:22

that would be Vince, he is in the facebook ace group
(im sure thats a bottle opener on the mounting plate for the EGR)

That's the one. Each to their own!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 28, 2014, 00:13:54
I like the bottle-opener!

If I still had the brackets on mine it would be the next mod.

Crazy
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 28, 2014, 02:54:45
what a relief....

finally got the bolts on triple clamp moving and sorted the clip-ons.

Want the clip-on looks so bad so could not wait for the new electric switch from Oo.  QA throttle is fitted on with stock switch. 

it is loooooking goood...

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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 28, 2014, 04:53:50
Ok so tell me this - how does the reserve work?

Ran out of fuel, switched to reserve. And nothing. Turned her over and kicked her over for 2 mins and nothing.

What the?

Filled up with 8lt at a servo. Main on and away we go.
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 28, 2014, 05:02:09
Ok so tell me this - how does the reserve work?

Ran out of fuel, switched to reserve. And nothing. Turned her over and kicked her over for 2 mins and nothing.

What the?
.Filled up with 8lt at a servo. Main on and away we go.
here you go
inside the tank is a tube that sticks up for the main / on, when it gets lower then  the top you switch and it draws the fuel from the bottom of the tank
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 28, 2014, 05:16:55

here you go
inside the tank is a tube that sticks up for the main / on, when it gets lower then  the top you switch and it draws the fuel from the bottom of the tank

Yep that's what I did but there was no fuel! Or is it the same tank? Or is something awry?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 28, 2014, 05:21:59
maybe the tube inside the tank has  come off, that is all i can think of.
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 28, 2014, 05:23:35
That sounds tricky to fix!
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Feb 28, 2014, 05:28:10
im guessing it pushs on if it has fallen off, the hardest part would be getting the tube out of the tank.but you can see what it looks like part 7
here
http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/fuel-tank/
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Post by: WJPez on Feb 28, 2014, 05:42:50
what a relief....

finally got the bolts on triple clamp moving and sorted the clip-ons.

Want the clip-on looks so bad so could not wait for the new electric switch from Oo.  QA throttle is fitted on with stock switch. 

it is loooooking goood...


Hi Joseph. Does the quick action throttle work ok with stock switches and bar end mirrors? Other members have said that the switches needed replacing to create more room to fit the QA throttle, or is this just the case with standard bars and not clip ons?

Wayne
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 28, 2014, 06:19:00

Hi Joseph. Does the quick action throttle work ok with stock switches and bar end mirrors? Other members have said that the switches needed replacing to create more room to fit the QA throttle, or is this just the case with standard bars and not clip ons?

Wayne

I find it quite manageable with the stock switch and master cylinder, but it is a very tight fit though, it is a matter of making use of every millimetre of space on Oo clip-on bars.  But I do have a slightly shorter rubber grip which bought me another few mm.  Left side has plenty of space though.

One thing though,  probably need to re-organising all the cables later on when I figure out how to remove the tank as the QA throttle cable pulling as I steer the wheel from side to side, which cause some opening of the throttle....




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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 28, 2014, 06:29:29
I find it quite manageable with the stock switch and master cylinder, but it is a very tight fit though, it is a matter of making use of every millimetre of space on Oo clip-on bars.  But I do have a slightly shorter rubber grip which bought me another few mm.  Left side has plenty of space though.

One thing though,  probably need to re-organising all the cables later on when I figure out how to remove the tank as the QA throttle cable pulling as I steer the wheel from side to side, which cause some opening of the throttle....




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Is there more room on the clip ons than there is on the standard bars. I was hoping that I could keep my standard bars and fit a QA throttle with standard switch gear.

Wayne
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Feb 28, 2014, 06:34:59

Is there more room on the clip ons than there is on the standard bars. I was hoping that I could keep my standard bars and fit a QA throttle with standard switch gear.

Wayne

Could not tell, I did not try putting QA on the standard bar, but I would think the useable area is less on the standard bar....


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Feb 28, 2014, 07:01:34
Thanks Joseph.

Has anybody managed to fit a QA throttle with standard bars and bar end mirrors?

Wayne
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Feb 28, 2014, 15:40:54

im guessing it pushs on if it has fallen off, the hardest part would be getting the tube out of the tank.but you can see what it looks like part 7
here
http://www.skyteamparts.com/store/fuel-tank/

Hmm might have to drain and remove the fuel cock to investigate.
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Post by: madmax1983 on Mar 01, 2014, 09:07:25
gday from Goulburn nsw i bought myself an ace last august but havent even started it yet due to other bikes being finished this page has being very helpful ill be posting pics when i can

has anyone got a fairing set up on their bike yet?

cheers dave
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 01, 2014, 11:43:08
This might seems a very silly question.  What does the micro switch does on the left side under the clutch ?


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Mar 01, 2014, 17:36:25
This might seems a very silly question.  What does the micro switch does on the left side under the clutch ?


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Lets you start in gear - as long as you have the clutch in ...........
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Post by: Tad on Mar 01, 2014, 18:32:44
Another mod done today as the sun has showed it's self in the UK. Fitted new H/L brackets and CG125 H/L unit. Just waiting for clip-ons to arrive now, and to work out if I can get my screen back on.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Mar 02, 2014, 02:10:45
Mine's with the NRMA.

Crazy

I use RACQ

Thanks guys in the end I went with Youi - $11 per month and no surcharge for L platers, pretty good deal ;-)

Btw just fitted M45s so I have a pair of original tyres in good condition if anybody wants them. Pick up Sydney!

Cheers,

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 02, 2014, 08:48:18
I think you will be pleased with the M45s!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Mar 02, 2014, 21:39:15
I think you will be pleased with the M45s!

Crazy

the M45's certainly provide a lot more confidence, actually ride it like a normal bike, instead of tip toeing on the standard rubber.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Mar 03, 2014, 20:01:54
Hi gents,

A question - I am finally re-jetting, removing the EGR, putting on a new front sprocket and I have a new muffler ready, but don't want to put it on before I pass my MOST (a license test for which you can't have a loud bike for you non-Aussies). I have read that you can drill out a hole in the exhaust. Where exactly should I drill it? Is it going to help if the cat is still in there? Apologies for the lame question ;-)

Cheers,

Thomas
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Post by: ACE125toy on Mar 03, 2014, 21:51:43
Hi gents,

A question - I am finally re-jetting, removing the EGR, putting on a new front sprocket and I have a new muffler ready, but don't want to put it on before I pass my MOST (a license test for which you can't have a loud bike for you non-Aussies). I have read that you can drill out a hole in the exhaust. Where exactly should I drill it? Is it going to help if the cat is still in there? Apologies for the lame question ;-)

Cheers,

Thomas

The hole in the end wont make much difference with the CAT still in there. just get the test done and chop the CAT out and put the new Muff on.

Just save you the bother of messing with the stock exhaust. but thats just cos i'm lazy.
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Post by: ACEitup on Mar 04, 2014, 03:03:21
I have read that you can drill out a hole in the exhaust.
Hey Cafe,
I'm a newbie myself, bought mine late sept
learning a lot from dtt
prob read it all 3 times for it to make sense to me :o
Having said that I'll give u my thoughts on my mech mods
1. egr did little to change performance but its ugly! chucked it
and capped off,
this was my first fabrication job ever
2. spark plug, toss the standard and bought a ngk ......
havent got the number in front of me can  post it later for u
i noticed a clear performance increase with this
3. cut the cat off/out !! how and which u choose, will come down to your patience and
if you or a friend can weld. me a carton of beer at my mates factory for an hour or so did the trick
as u can see by the picture attached it really restrictive ( approx 100mm long)
drilling a hole in the end of the muffler is pretty well useless?
and there is another in muffler section
4.technical info I read,but  know nothing about , but sounds fair
keep length of exhaust past rear axle (approx) and keep some back pressure
(straight  thru sounds awesome in my garage) but really does need that back pressure
to make the gains, (still messing with this)
5. some guys r re-jetting standard carby?
I went in the deep end with a chinese mikuni
prob should gone with the real thing but hey it's $40 bucks from china
what could possibly go wrong?
My thinking was if it didnt go right , swap the old one back?
without risking  my weekend ride (also still messing with this!)
lucky for me this was winner thou a little awkward to adjust due to screw placement
anyway sorry I'm starting to ramble on here!
6. Now I had freed up air intake , exhaust and  created power
7. geared up the front cog to 16T loving this!! ordering a 17T
to see if I can wind some more out of this puppy! ;D
enjoy the ride .....
cheers ACEitup

 
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Mar 04, 2014, 05:29:06
... spark plug, toss the standard and bought a ngk ......
i noticed a clear performance increase with this

... keep length of exhaust past rear axle (approx) and keep some back pressure
(straight  thru sounds awesome in my garage) but really does need that back pressure
to make the gains, (still messing with this)

... geared up the front cog to 16T loving this!!

cheers ACEitup

- going to try all these tips on my bike this weekend ! - cheers ACE !

Haz
Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 04, 2014, 11:25:02
Ok, this probably does not apply to you guys in Australia nor in Europe, but it could happens one day though.  Since everyone is so happy with M45/Pilot Sporty, I thought I might as well go with it, but I'm having real problem getting either Michelin M45 or Pilot Sporty in HK.  Michelin HK says, "is such a awkward size and not very popular at all in Asia", they decided to withdraw the product from HK/China/Macau.  It can still be ordered through Thailand, but which is made in Thailand not Europe anymore. 

Where does your M45/Pilot Sporty is made? Anyone knows?

Has anyone have experiences with Bridgestone or Dunlop?



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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 04, 2014, 11:35:19
What's the details of M45 again? I might just get myself a pair from eBay and DIY.....


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Mar 04, 2014, 11:43:16
The Metzeler ME22's are good tires too :)
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Post by: cafe59 on Mar 04, 2014, 22:44:44
Hey Cafe,
I'm a newbie myself, bought mine late sept
learning a lot from dtt
prob read it all 3 times for it to make sense to me :o
Having said that I'll give u my thoughts on my mech mods
1. egr did little to change performance but its ugly! chucked it
and capped off,
this was my first fabrication job ever
2. spark plug, toss the standard and bought a ngk ......
havent got the number in front of me can  post it later for u
i noticed a clear performance increase with this
3. cut the cat off/out !! how and which u choose, will come down to your patience and
if you or a friend can weld. me a carton of beer at my mates factory for an hour or so did the trick
as u can see by the picture attached it really restrictive ( approx 100mm long)
drilling a hole in the end of the muffler is pretty well useless?
and there is another in muffler section
4.technical info I read,but  know nothing about , but sounds fair
keep length of exhaust past rear axle (approx) and keep some back pressure
(straight  thru sounds awesome in my garage) but really does need that back pressure
to make the gains, (still messing with this)
5. some guys r re-jetting standard carby?
I went in the deep end with a chinese mikuni
prob should gone with the real thing but hey it's $40 bucks from china
what could possibly go wrong?
My thinking was if it didnt go right , swap the old one back?
without risking  my weekend ride (also still messing with this!)
lucky for me this was winner thou a little awkward to adjust due to screw placement
anyway sorry I'm starting to ramble on here!
6. Now I had freed up air intake , exhaust and  created power
7. geared up the front cog to 16T loving this!! ordering a 17T
to see if I can wind some more out of this puppy! ;D
enjoy the ride .....
cheers ACEitup

Thanks for that ACEitup, I have bough myself a stage 1 kit from OO and slowly installing it - removing EGR, re-jetting, putting a filter on and also bought a 17T front sprocket. I am going to get rid of the cat and put a muffler on, but need to get to my P's first... so I was just wondering whether drilling a hole would help before I put the muffler on. No worries I will just do the test and then put the muffler on!

Thanks for your help!
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Post by: cafe59 on Mar 04, 2014, 22:47:08
What's the details of M45 again? I might just get myself a pair from eBay and DIY.....


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Hey there,

It's 2.75x18 front and 3.00x18 rear. You can definitely do it yourself, it's just a bit harder than put tyres on a pushbike, just did it on the weekend ;-)

Cheers,

Thomas
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Post by: ACE125toy on Mar 04, 2014, 23:05:01
Hey there,

It's 2.75x18 front and 3.00x18 rear. You can definitely do it yourself, it's just a bit harder than put tyres on a pushbike, just did it on the weekend ;-)

Cheers,

Thomas

Yep easy to do yourself bit of WD40 and mine popped on with a little force.
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Post by: josephau on Mar 05, 2014, 00:14:46
cool, thx for all the help, will order a pair and do it myself.

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Mar 05, 2014, 02:26:20
My bike finally got delivered yesterday  ;D, the only problem is I now have to wait 2 weeks for the Skyteam exhaust to arrive  :(
I took it out for a 15 minute ride last night just to see what it was like. Its a very different riding position to what I remembered from my last bike 19 years ago. It is also slow, but I knew that would be the case. I did not get the dealer to fit the mirrors as I had already purchased bar end mirrors like the ones most of the guys on here are using. I will keep the standard bars for now. Do the bar end mirrors actually give a reasonable view behind? It looks like they might be hard to get a decent view. I also have an Iridium plug and egr blanking plate to fit. I also bought new jets when I ordered the exhaust, is it worth fitting these with the standard exhaust still fitted or should I wait until I fit the derestricted one?

Thanks

Wayne
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Mar 05, 2014, 02:30:18
Wayne, the mirrors (bar end) are a little harder to see back with then the stock ones , you will need to knock the bar end weights in to the bars a bit to fit them.fit the jets, it  wont hurt, the bike is set up lean from factory a bit to pass emission testing,  and it gives you something  to do while the exhaust comes.
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Post by: WJPez on Mar 05, 2014, 02:35:41
Wayne, the mirrors (bar end) are a little harder to see back with then the stock ones , you will need to knock the bar end weights in to the bars a bit to fit them.fit the jets, it  wont hurt, the bike is set up lean from factory a bit to pass emission testing,  and it gives you something  to do while the exhaust comes.

Thanks, I will fit the mirrors andd egr plate on Friday. I am then going out for a ride with my Dad, its been nearly 20 years since we have been out for a ride together.

Is there any trick to replacing the jets? Once jets are fitted, do they bottom out or is there a certain number of turns that works best as an initial setup?

Wayne
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Mar 05, 2014, 02:42:25
Thanks, I will fit the mirrors andd egr plate on Friday. I am then going out for a ride with my Dad, its been nearly 20 years since we have been out for a ride together.

Is there any trick to replacing the jets? Once jets are fitted, do they bottom out or is there a certain number of turns that works best as an initial setup?

Wayne
the jets just screw in no tricks
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Post by: WJPez on Mar 05, 2014, 02:44:33
the jets just screw in no tricks

Thanks. Daft question, I assume carb need to be removed and partially stripped.

Wayne
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Mar 05, 2014, 02:48:58
Thanks. Daft question, I assume card need to be removed and partially stripped.

Wayne
yeah pull the carb off and remove the float bowl ,  not too hard
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Mar 05, 2014, 03:12:29
yeah pull the carb off and remove the float bowl ,  not too hard

Thanks. I will do that on Friday with the other small jobs.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Mar 05, 2014, 07:57:27

Has anyone have experiences with Bridgestone or Dunlop?


I put dunlop K82 and it made a HUGE difference. Really grip the road, even when wet. They have this old school pattern that fits the bike.
I mod the bike a lot (exhaust, carb, jet, filter, brake, sprocket etc) but this is the mod that really changed the riding experience (along with all the engine tweaks that made it more torque and top speed).

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Danman32 on Mar 05, 2014, 08:38:21
Hi Guys,

Fellow Ace rider here. I have been following along in this thread for some time now. I picked up my Ace back in September last year and I have found this site and its users so resourceful, so thank you to all who contribute.

So far I have done the standard majority of upgrades and I am fast approaching 2000kms.

Currently I have an oil leak which seems to be originating behind the black plastic thingy (with electrical cable entering) under the crankcase. The black plastic thingy has a star screw in it which seems to be on tight. You can see it in Stroker Crazys post on page 86 under the chain and crankcase. Thoughts anyone?

Also anyone else having significant oil leaks? solving solutions?

One final thing, I brought the exhaust Silencer Performance Stainless Steel Cafe racer 45mm bore from Ooracing, had Stainless Steel header pipe made (before OO started selling theirs). Is it just my Ace or is everyones as loud as mine? Its crazy loud! an hour on the bike and the ears ring for two! I guess the old saying goes, loud bikes save lives!

thanks
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Post by: Hazza00 on Mar 05, 2014, 10:03:20
... I brought the exhaust Silencer Performance Stainless Steel Cafe racer 45mm bore from Ooracing, had Stainless Steel header pipe made (before OO started selling theirs). Is it just my Ace or is everyones as loud as mine? Its crazy loud! an hour on the bike and the ears ring for two!

... have the same setup on mine, but with 00racings header ... love the sounds at idle, deep bass, throaty & nice.  But at higher rpm's, it can be a little tinny and loud.  Am trying to dampen the sound down a little and will be experimenting with baffles and S/S scouring pads.

My sound file's posted under Black Framed ACE ...

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 05, 2014, 15:43:47
The black plastic thingy

Welcome aboard!

Where are you from Danman?

The thingy is the neutral indicator switch. You might need to use an impact driver to get the screw undone.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Mar 05, 2014, 20:24:45
I put dunlop K82

Yeah I wanted these as well, but couldn't find them in Australia and they were too expensive from overseas:-(

Btw Alan your bike is looking great! And thanks for the advise re mirrors, bought the same and love them!
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Post by: josephau on Mar 06, 2014, 00:41:50
I put dunlop K82 and it made a HUGE difference. Really grip the road, even when wet. They have this old school pattern that fits the bike.
I mod the bike a lot (exhaust, carb, jet, filter, brake, sprocket etc) but this is the mod that really changed the riding experience (along with all the engine tweaks that made it more torque and top speed).

Dunlop K82 it is then.  Not many other options in HK.

Thanks mate !

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Mar 06, 2014, 05:55:14

Btw Alan your bike is looking great! And thanks for the advise re mirrors, bought the same and love them!

You're welcome. Glad you like them. They are good quality mirrors indeed.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Mar 06, 2014, 07:04:04
I rode my Ace to work today for the first time. I peeled all the stickers off of it last night night. loads of people have been looking at it all morning trying to work out what it is. I now have 17km on the clock ;D

Wayne
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 07, 2014, 07:38:02
has anyone come across mounting their muffler at the foot rest instead of the original position like mine as the mounting plate came with it was not long enough ?

Wonder if it will cause any long term problem though ?

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love the deep bass sounds it makes,  find it managing ok with just the steel scourers, not too loud i dont think.



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Post by: sprocket2cog on Mar 07, 2014, 07:47:52
it should be ok as long as  the weight is taken up well enough so you dont put strain on the header and damage the exhaust studs in the head, thats the only real issue you might have
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Post by: josephau on Mar 07, 2014, 08:06:18
it should be ok as long as  the weight is taken up well enough so you dont put strain on the header and damage the exhaust studs in the head, thats the only real issue you might have

thank you, thats a relief to me...

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Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 07, 2014, 08:10:43
how does everyone route their QA throttle ?  I find my one keep pulling it itself and opens throttle from me steering from side to side.

I have routed it just like the stock one at the moment,  it is kind of annoying....certainly dont want it to do that as i'm steering on a corner....

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Mar 07, 2014, 08:30:00
Mine is mounted off the footrest in the same way with just the washer removed ,ideally you should make up a triangular mounting plate - two holes in the silencer side . So that you are not just relying on the tightness of the bolt to stop the strap rotating round and not supporting the silencer . Not done it to mine either yet though !
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Post by: ACE125toy on Mar 07, 2014, 09:03:29
has anyone come across mounting their muffler at the foot rest instead of the original position like mine as the mounting plate came with it was not long enough ?

Wonder if it will cause any long term problem though ?

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I have mounted mine the same. Seems to be ok so far.
Title: Re: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Mar 07, 2014, 09:08:51
how does everyone route their QA throttle ?  I find my one keep pulling it itself and opens throttle from me steering from side to side.

I have routed it just like the stock one at the moment,  it is kind of annoying....certainly dont want it to do that as i'm steering on a corner....

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I had this problem also, so I took the tank off and removed the wires that are held in the clips with the throttle cable, so you just have the throttle cable sitting in the two clips and re-route it at the front so it's on top of the wiring so it can move freely. Hope that makes sense, it was a little fiddley and took a while to get it right.
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Post by: josephau on Mar 07, 2014, 10:11:06
I had this problem also, so I took the tank off and removed the wires that are held in the clips with the throttle cable, so you just have the throttle cable sitting in the two clips and re-route it at the front so it's on top of the wiring so it can move freely. Hope that makes sense, it was a little fiddley and took a while to get it right.

how does your cable run in the front end go ? through the bracket behind the headlight or behind the bracket and around the tank to the left side of the bike together with all the cables?

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Mar 07, 2014, 12:55:38
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b617/WJPez/th_20140307_153334_zps2ebedf8d.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/WJPez/media/20140307_153334_zps2ebedf8d.jpg.html)

After only 37 k/m my left rear indicator fell off. Just phoned my dealer and he is removing one from an ace in his showroom and sending it to me.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: oli89 on Mar 07, 2014, 14:39:04
doesn't really count as a skyteam ace but as im using some ace parts I thought id post a pic of my Honda/ ace 125 racer (work in-progress)
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Post by: ChrisBNE on Mar 07, 2014, 17:06:14
Nice one!
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Post by: ACE125toy on Mar 08, 2014, 04:30:10
how does your cable run in the front end go ? through the bracket behind the headlight or behind the bracket and around the tank to the left side of the bike together with all the cables?

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I removed the bracket, can't remember how it was run but you need to keep it free and able to move when you turn the bars so not to pull the cable.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACE125toy on Mar 08, 2014, 04:31:38
doesn't really count as a skyteam ace but as im using some ace parts I thought id post a pic of my Honda/ ace 125 racer (work in-progress)

Nice, I might as well ask before everyone else, where did you get the fairing from?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Marcusgarwood on Mar 08, 2014, 15:46:35
I want to remove the skyteam script from the 2 engine covers, I've no real experience with these engines. My question is-can I just unbolt the 2 covers? Or will oil drain out if I remove them?
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Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 08, 2014, 16:40:05
will oil drain out if I remove them?

No!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Marcusgarwood on Mar 08, 2014, 16:44:06
No!

Crazy
Thanks stroker, what is behind the plates, what are they for? Sorry for dumb Q's.
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Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 08, 2014, 17:16:27
The one on the right hand side is just decorative, the left side plate (sprocket side) provides access to rotate the motor when setting valve clearance.

Crazy
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 08, 2014, 20:46:08
hey crazy

how did u manage to scrap off the skyteam on those plates? polisher?

joseph

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Post by: josephau on Mar 08, 2014, 21:36:21
I removed the bracket, can't remember how it was run but you need to keep it free and able to move when you turn the bars so not to pull the cable.

i find it work the best to re route the cable on the right side of the bike (throttle side) that has minimal effect on the cable now after i have done it all over again.

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Post by: josephau on Mar 08, 2014, 21:42:33
need a personal experience on Ooracing clip on bars.  which spacer do u guys use to fit on the fork? second biggerest size?

i find it hard to completely secure it on the fork, it becomes loose if i rotate it clockwise toward me hard enough when sitting on the bike, speacially the throttle side.

any good solution?  tried the thickerest spacer but it would not fit through the fork....

joseph

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Mar 09, 2014, 03:40:25
The battery is just behing the metal plate number, I just put it perpendicular to the frame (if you consider originally it is parrallel to the frame), so it makes more room.

Hi Alan,

Sorry to bug you again, but how exactly did you fit the battery in? Did you have to drill any holes to the frame? I was thinking that I might use the original battery bracket and drill two holes into the metal plate that connects the frame tubes just above the plastic mud guard and mount it there but I would like to avoid drilling any holes into the frame so just wondering whether there is other way how to mount it.

Thanks,

Thomas
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Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 09, 2014, 04:25:35
how did u manage to scrap off the

File, several grades of Wet or Dry, green Scotchbrite and WD40 for a satin finish.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Mar 10, 2014, 05:48:50
Can anybody recomend a quick action throttle that will fit standard bars with standard electrics and bar end mirrors. I emailed OORacing and they said the one they sell will not work with standard electrics. There are lots to choose from on Ebay.co.uk but I am unsure as to wether they are suitable. Also I have seen videos on youtube where people are fitting a plastic cam inside the throttle to turn it into a QA throttle.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pit-Bike-Fast-Twist-Throttle-Bronze-Quick-Action-Stump-Demen-110cc-125cc-140cc-/171244860928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27defd3600#ht_2342wt_1014

Thanks

Wayne
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Post by: sprocket2cog on Mar 10, 2014, 05:56:41
Can anybody recomend a quick action throttle that will fit standard bars with standard electrics and bar end mirrors. I emailed OORacing and they said the one they sell will not work with standard electrics. There are lots to choose from on Ebay.co.uk but I am unsure as to wether they are suitable. Also I have seen videos on youtube where people are fitting a plastic cam inside the throttle to turn it into a QA throttle.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pit-Bike-Fast-Twist-Throttle-Bronze-Quick-Action-Stump-Demen-110cc-125cc-140cc-/171244860928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27defd3600#ht_2342wt_1014

Thanks

Wayne

Wayne

your going  to have the same problem, there isnt enough room on the bars before it bends to fit the switch gear and new control. if you look at the ooracing ones they look basicly the same
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Post by: WJPez on Mar 10, 2014, 06:37:29
your going  to have the same problem, there isnt enough room on the bars before it bends to fit the switch gear and new control. if you look at the ooracing ones they look basicly the same

Ok, thanks. I was just trying to do the job as cheap as I could.

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Mar 11, 2014, 07:04:20
I had the tank off at the weekend and found a multiplug with a green/white wire that was not connected to anything. Does anybody know what this is for?

Wayne

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Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 11, 2014, 07:17:02
could it be the side stand switch?

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Mar 11, 2014, 07:19:53
I noticed this one also and I asked about it months ago and no one had any idea what it was.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Mar 11, 2014, 07:22:13
yeah its a rouge plug, it isn't hooked up normally.  i had  a quick look at the wiring diagram but  no luck ID'ing it
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Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 11, 2014, 07:22:38
Green/white sounds like the neutral switch.

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: WJPez on Mar 11, 2014, 07:38:01
Thanks for all your replies. I have disconnected the side stand switch so it could be that the plug just ended up on top of the frame when I removed the carb. the neutral light is still working (although neutral is still a pain to get sometimes).

Wayne
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Mar 11, 2014, 07:41:23
I noticed this orphan plug when I bought the bike, brand new, and before I removed anything like the side stand switch.
And neutral light, neutral switch and side stand switch was working. I didn't bother to follow the plug to see where it is connected but this is probably what you should do so that we know what it is.
There is no sign of it in the electrical diagram.
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Post by: josephau on Mar 11, 2014, 08:04:28
oh no......i just reverse bleed my brake line as changing a new master cyclinder and had some brake fluid leaked on to my brake pad and out side of the cliper...i think.  Cleaned it, pressure felt gd but it js making funny noises and not braking as powerful as it was....what i should i do what i should i do?

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: dualero on Mar 12, 2014, 02:57:06
If you got dot fluid on your pads chances are they are shot. No way to make them work again top notch. Get new pads, and clean everything around the brake (caliper, rotor, fork leg) with isopropyl alcohol. Mount pads and off you go.

If you are really urged to ride, you could bake the pads in your oven. Throw them in, turn it on, and let them sit 20 minutes @ 350F in there. Braking power may improve.

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Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 12, 2014, 04:06:38
thank you for the info, hopefully it wont happen again next time when i bleed my brake.  Have the brake pad replace and is working ok now, will go on a proper ride to test it out.

how clean do i need to clean my caliper? i have wipe it down with clean water and cloth a several times....

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Post by: dualero on Mar 12, 2014, 04:24:59
You're welcome. Water and soap should do the trick, but I suggested alcohol because that removes the brake fluid completely

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Post by: josephau on Mar 12, 2014, 04:26:32
You're welcome. Water and soap should do the trick, but I suggested alcohol because that removes the brake fluid completely

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alcohol is ok on pad? or better to remove the pad before the alcohol cleanning?

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Post by: josephau on Mar 16, 2014, 13:17:24
where can i get two seater seat for our ACE ?

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 18, 2014, 05:32:39
An update on the 'Ace'!

The 150cc conversion has nearly 1500k, so on the way back from a ride on Monday I thought I'd give it a run on a motorway.

The 17/35 sprocket combination allowed me to maintain 100-110k without over-revving the motor.  I was well pleased, but after about 20k I got bored and turned off onto secondary roads for more fun.

The upgrade was well worth it!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Mar 18, 2014, 07:05:34

 turned off onto secondary roads for more fun.


:)
We are due for another fun ride soon !
 cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 18, 2014, 09:35:19
We are due for another fun ride soon !

Agreed!

All we need is cooperative weather …

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: 2b on Mar 21, 2014, 20:12:08
Wondering about getting this combined tail , number plate , stop light and indicators LED light out of the US. US$33
http://shop.rycamotors.com/tail_light.html

Don't have the bike yet to measure it up against, so do you guys think it will it fit in neatly if I remove rear fender and get a bracket made up??

The light itself measures
9.5cm by 2.5cm
or 3.75" by 1" in old money.

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Mar 21, 2014, 20:33:47
do you guys think it will it fit in neatly … ??

It looks doable!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: musket the dog on Mar 22, 2014, 07:11:48
Hi Guys,

I've purchased this silencer http://www.feked.com/universal-flat-end-motorcycle-silencer-27-35-40mm.html (http://www.feked.com/universal-flat-end-motorcycle-silencer-27-35-40mm.html) but haven't gone about sorting a down pipe for it yet.

I was wondering if de-catting the standard exhaust and cutting it to size would be any less effective than ordering ooracing's stainless alternative? Also hoping a UK member would be able to help me out here, still 2 years away but would the de-cat exhaust be a MOT failure?

Many thanks,
Ricky
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Mar 22, 2014, 09:03:23
I was wondering if de-catting the standard exhaust and cutting it to size ... would the de-cat exhaust be a MOT failure?

Ricky, the 00racing header is a quality item and for the price, it's an awesome purchase.  With it, for your compliance, you could simply refit the stock unit and not have any worries ?

(that was my thinking with the mods I did).

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Mar 22, 2014, 09:14:53
same, im not modifing any stock parts, so it can easily be returned to stock if need be.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Mar 22, 2014, 16:32:06
Currently the motorcycle MoT does not included exhaust emissions - but in two years ?? The standard downpipe is very constricted at at the flange end , both by welding and the bend . As said the OO racing pipe is a  decent price , stainless and means you have the standard pipe should you need it in the future  8)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Mar 22, 2014, 17:09:26
I've ordered the ooracing downpipe and a megaphone muffler. 

Currently I have done the following:
removed egr
Removed  cat from downpipe
drilled 12mm hole in exhaust
Bigger jet 92
Race Cdi from ooracing
Iridium plug
From 15 ->16 front sprocket
Set valve gap
Tyres pumped to 34
My weight (95kg)-prob 100kg with gear on.

On a downhill slope, tail wind I can only maxed at 105kph
on the flat I could barely maintain 90kph...

Here's hoping the new exhaust will give it the extra oomph I need ( I will probably remove the air box and increase jet size as well)

My only requirement is to at least be able to hold 100kph

Small steps I guess :-)

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: musket the dog on Mar 22, 2014, 17:36:31
Great, cheers for the all the responses, will look into ordering the down pipe as soon as I'm home and have my hands on some tyres. :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Alan Vega on Mar 24, 2014, 10:37:01
Hi Guys,

I've purchased this silencer http://www.feked.com/universal-flat-end-motorcycle-silencer-27-35-40mm.html (http://www.feked.com/universal-flat-end-motorcycle-silencer-27-35-40mm.html) but haven't gone about sorting a down pipe for it yet.

I was wondering if de-catting the standard exhaust and cutting it to size would be any less effective than ordering ooracing's stainless alternative? Also hoping a UK member would be able to help me out here, still 2 years away but would the de-cat exhaust be a MOT failure?

Many thanks,
Ricky

This is the very same silencer I ordered and installed on my ace.
I cut the original exhaust after de-catering it.
I just needed to add an extra mounting plate in order to make the silencer a bit farther from the frame.

The sound is nice but very loud if you don't add some sound proofing material. I added some more, still loud but very acceptable, and still a very nice bassy sound  :)

Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Mar 24, 2014, 11:23:30
Hi again, here are a few photos of what I have done to quieten down my exhaust. After fitting a long baffle inside silencer wrapped with as much wadding I could fit in, the noise was still far to loud, so I found an old baffle end and made that fit. AHH much better now and still sounds throatie. Also fitted a slightly bigger Shengwey carb with choke lever on carb body. So no need for choke cable on H/bars now. Just been for a ride and Ace will now sit at 60 mph easily. Next thing is to alter gearing so it doesn't rev as much at that speed.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Mar 26, 2014, 22:42:28
I got done for exhaust noise, need to add a baffel, is it possible to just buy and add in as you have done?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Mar 27, 2014, 04:58:41
Hi Chris, What I did was to go around the local bike shops including M/C breakers in town and ask them what old exhausts/baffles they have kicking around. The end piece you can see is just to reduce the outlet size. It's only about two inch's long. The other baffle is wadded and slipped into silencer from other end.  If you explain to them what it's for they might be more helpful. If you get a baffle that goes all the way in you might want to use fiberglass exhaust wadding, it usually comes in a roll you cut to length and secure with lock wire.   
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Mar 27, 2014, 16:17:46
Tad, my muffler looks exactly the same as yours, so I assume its going to be loud :-) I will let you know soon when the ooracing header turns up.  My trx850 sits at about 90db with custom piprs and I've not been pulled up on that, and it's pretty loud.

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Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Mar 27, 2014, 22:24:37
I'm taking it to a bike exhaust mob tomorrow, they can sort it :)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Mar 28, 2014, 04:04:39
That's good Chris. Just remember to ride gently and not draw any attention to yourself when police are around.
Title: 回覆: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: josephau on Mar 28, 2014, 13:52:50
need some advices here.

my ace keep stalling when i brake real hard or sometime stopping at the traffic light.

running Mikuni VM22-133 with Main jet of 100 and Pilot lof 30, QA throttle, Ooracing Posh CDI, performance air filter, NGK coil, and recenly changed 8EIX NGK spark plug.

I do find my engine might be running a bit too rich base on the color of my spark plug (blackish).  But i think the air/fuel/idle screw setting should be ok.

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Mar 28, 2014, 18:00:31
That's good Chris. Just remember to ride gently and not draw any attention to yourself when police are around.

worked out it was the grumpy old man down the road reported me.  I may report him for his dangerous retaining wall  that's about to fall onto the path :) = $$$$$$$

Title: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ChrisBNE on Mar 28, 2014, 20:36:49
Bike exhaust shop charged me $50 to put a baffle in at the end of the muffler and it's great now...,
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Mar 28, 2014, 23:27:18
Going to try to complete the following:
fit clip-on bars
add 25mm bolt to fork springs
change oil to 30w (how much oil? what is the air gap?)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stevodude on Mar 29, 2014, 09:24:31
Well, that's what happens when you have a family. I've ran put of time this weekend, so I have only managed to get the clipons installed. No 25mm bolt or oil change. Maybe get to that in a couple of weeks. And i will need to finish making the switch gear stop twisting on the new bars.

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: café (r)acer on Mar 29, 2014, 13:00:00
And i will need to finish making the switch gear stop twisting on the new bars.

Put some tape on the bar under the switch gear ;)
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 02, 2014, 04:47:54
Found this on Lennard Schuurmans' blog 'Bubble Visor'.

It's not a 'Dream' as the stickers would have us believe. Most parts look like they're from the 'Ace', but the motor is a twin something-or-other.

It was photographed at Throttle Twisting Sunday in Jakarta last weekend.

Anyone got any ideas?



Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: sprocket2cog on Apr 02, 2014, 05:33:37
is it a twin or a twin exhaust port head for the two exhausts ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-Stock-150cc-Big-Bore-Cylinder-Head-For-CG125-Engines-Twin-Exhaust-Port-Double-/321225153798
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 02, 2014, 06:40:35
It's probably a two-port head, but the crankcase looks different to any CG125 that I've seen.

Though who knows what variants have been manufactured in China!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Bojer on Apr 02, 2014, 09:54:33
Looks like an OHC motor ?
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Apr 02, 2014, 10:02:02
Looking at the angle of the carb and it only has two tappet covers seems to make it look like a single cylinder. What ever it is, it's nice. Also like the Honda C90 type thing that's next to it, that's had loads of work done on it.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: dualero on Apr 02, 2014, 15:59:15
It's probably a two-port head, but the crankcase looks different to any CG125 that I've seen.

Though who knows what variants have been manufactured in China!

Crazy

Hi there folks, I've been lurking on this thread a lot as I own a bike that's a CG125 copy, not an Ace, but all the info here has been REALLY REALLY helpful, in terms of tuning and the 125 to 150 conversion I'm looking forward to do soon. I have been modifying it since 2 months ago, but the protests here in my country had made me go glacial pace on the build (I just neglected the build several times to go protest).

I'd be glad if you could pass by my build thread and help me out (need to urgently update it btw) here's a pic of what I have at the moment

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/03/5emupadu.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/03/e9yry8as.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/03/y7ahy8eq.jpg)

Now following stroker crazy's comment:

Here in Venezuela we have a LOT of Chinese bikes around and a lot have CG125 copies on them, mostly are really CG150's. I can identify them as the cylinder and head have the same exact shape in all of them, even though the crankcases are a lot different between bike to bike

As you say who knows how many variants have been done on China, if you want to have a look I can manage to take pics from various models and upload them here only for fun, you guys tell me.

Cheers!

downhiler900sl

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 02, 2014, 22:01:16
It's not going to make the 'Ace any faster,

It's not going to improve  handling,

I just couldn't help myself!

New tail-light:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUc8KxR4-3sbCU-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

and:

(http://blg.nikonsrc.com/image/NYEanqfcRgLMPoFOq1akcCHjYoJxAGzf8eUnxtD_KUc_8oB_ToiCmE-cZqK6FRuk9sBfSbdJtSM/item.JPG?)

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: orrible-64 on Apr 02, 2014, 22:29:25
Nice


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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: 2b on Apr 03, 2014, 02:00:57
Looking good.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Apr 03, 2014, 03:35:19
Nice, I've been viewing different types of rear lights myself on ebay and that's the one that really suits the period  look.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Apr 03, 2014, 04:38:00
It's not going to make the 'Ace any faster,

New tail-light ...

Crazy

... of course it will, Crazy! - it's lighter, slimmer, less wind drag ... I swear it even looks faster standing still ! ... hehe

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Apr 03, 2014, 04:40:37

I'd be glad if you could pass by my build thread and help me out ... here's a pic of what I have at the moment

Cheers!

downhiler900sl


... a cafe racer style single/solo seat with hump might look nice on it ?  Like the pic below ...

Haz


Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: dualero on Apr 03, 2014, 13:02:14
I'm really looking after the "scrambler/street tracker" style for my bike, I'm waiting on another 16" wheel as the rear one to put out front with the same exact tire. I think doing so, would settle the lines on the bike a little more horizontal, also I think of will need a fork lowering to achieve that completely, thanks for the input

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Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 03, 2014, 17:48:28
- it's lighter, slimmer, less wind drag ...

Thanks Haz; I knew I must have had a reason!

Crazy
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Apr 03, 2014, 19:24:41
Quote from: Hazza00 link=topic=43357.msg668593#msg668593 - it's lighter, slimmer, less wind drag ... I swear it even looks faster standing still !

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I got similar but shiny!
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Apr 03, 2014, 21:33:18
Hi guys,

Just thought I'd share a picture of the progress I have done on my Ace. Have done a couple of things:

- EGR Removed, new jets, new front sprocket
- New footpegs, grips, tyres, headlight and indicators

Still a lot to do ;-)

I also have a question. The bike didn't want to start today (side stand up, kill switch off, fuel tap on, plenty of petrol). It sounded pretty much the same as when you try to start it with the side stand switch on. Tried to kick start it with no success... After a half an hour of desperate attempts, she suddenly fired up!

Any ideas what could have happened?

Cheers,

Thomas
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: dahond on Apr 04, 2014, 03:52:51
With mine the sidestand switch sometimes gets stuck
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: ACEitup on Apr 04, 2014, 04:06:35
I found when i removed the egr
and did mods etc I no longer used the choke ?
with larger jets maybe flooding?? if u were still giving choke?
p.s  my dealer accidently left stand plug uncoupled , I left it that way and removed it
BTW looking good
cheers ACEitup
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Hazza00 on Apr 05, 2014, 07:53:54
Hi guys,

Just thought I'd share a picture of the progress I have done on my Ace. Have done a couple of things:

- EGR Removed, new jets, new front sprocket
- New footpegs, grips, tyres, headlight and indicators

Cheers,

Thomas

- like the look of the larger diameter headlights ! - what tyres did you go for ?  And you mentioned front sprocket - what size and did it make much difference ?

Looking good.

Haz
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: cafe59 on Apr 05, 2014, 22:51:02
with larger jets maybe flooding?? if u were still giving choke?

I have to use the choke, otherwise it won't start... I started it in the morning as usual (with the choke), went to the city, parked it at work and when I wanted to go home, it wouldn't start. Might have been flooded, but I don't really know how does it sound when it is...

- what tyres did you go for ? 

As many people on here I put Michelin M45s on. Very happy with them, massive difference ;-)

And you mentioned front sprocket - what size and did it make much difference ?

I am running a 17T front now. I think it's better, although the bike is still reving too high imo

Cheers
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: Tad on Apr 07, 2014, 16:38:17
Just thought I'd share this with you. I've fitted a new rear light to my Ace. Below are a few pictures of it. Decided to leave rear guard on.
Title: Re: The SkyTeam 'Ace' Resource
Post by: stroker crazy on Apr 07, 2014, 17:44:57