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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Trackers => Topic started by: beachcomber on Dec 17, 2012, 18:13:34

Title: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 17, 2012, 18:13:34
It's official - donor arrived tonight and stands me in around £250 with the transport costs. ;D

It's one of the first UK bikes [ 1976 ] and is a wire wheel model [ 18" and 19" ].

I have the last 30 years of history - used as a regular ride and then "Chopperised". Fortunately that only consisted of ripping the lights off and replacing with aftermarket stuff, fitting a flat roll seat, apehangers [ yes really ! ] and 2" chrome speedo and r/c. Oh yes and some freaky 2 into 1 exhaust !

The engine was rebored and "refreshed" and then it was essentially left in a shed - a shed with a very leaky roof by the looks of the brightwork [ rustwork ]. However the motor still turns over OK and has plenty of compression. I'll check that out more thoroughly over the next few days.

Fortunately most of the bad stuff I'll be replacing during the build anyway.

I have most of the makings of either a Cafe Racer or a Tracker in my stash of garage goodies, but the Tracker has the nod at the moment. 8)

XR750 seat [ with Tan suede upholstery ], Shotgun rear lamp, Renthals, Tarozzi rear sets, 4" Bates headlamp, and a pile of other parts.

Why the two names ? Well it's either going to be Fuck off Yellow or Tangerine - probably with Satin Black accents.

Wheels look good [ by torchlite! ] but I'll be going the blast and powder coat route while still assembled to save money. Depending on the main colour they'll be Satin Black or Gold.

I'm thinking of a high level Siamese - a la Triumph - or maybe two high pipes like the XS650 Trackers.

Any tips from my US cousins on exhaust suppliers ?

That's it then [ apart from a sidecar ] NO more projects ...... maybe  ;)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: crackerman on Dec 17, 2012, 19:50:18
Let see some pictures.

Unless you go custom exhaust your options are kinda limited. This places is pretty good. http://www.nichecycle.com/ They sell a 2 into 2 or 2 into 1 for the kz750 twin. I got my carb jets from these guys as well.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: john83 on Dec 17, 2012, 20:53:56
Yeah, let's see these apehangers.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 18, 2012, 11:20:25
X RATED WARNING - THESE PICTURES ARE FOR ADULTS ONLY .........


On the bright side [ I'm a glass half full type ] - the frame has already been detagged / decluttered - it already has stainless braided brake lines [ saving £70 or so ], it has headlamp brackets albeit in need of a refresh and according to the paperwork - it's done less than 500 miles since an engine rebuild.

Thanx for the tip on the exhausts CM - I think I'll pass on this "custom" system !!! :o

Bizarrely the chrome on the rims isn't bad ! However, they'll be going the blast / powder coat route.

Usually I manage to sell off quite a few of the unwanted parts to bring the donor cost down - but in this case - I don't think so. ::) However - check out that OEM Triumph / BSA alloy lamp / plinth - they fetch £50 +, or maybe use it as a "period" piece?

In reality the frame / swing arm and wheels would have to be blasted / powder coated whatever the condition. I have a set of taper roller headstock bearings and fork seals in my garage - so hopefully that's all the front end will need other than the fork legs polished. I also have some new BSA fork gaiters.


Now then - you have been warned  ............................






(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750B005.jpg)


(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750B006.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750B013.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: Bozz on Dec 18, 2012, 11:26:48
Yeah, that's a project alright...
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: john83 on Dec 18, 2012, 16:41:56
Rust is an amazing thing. The tail light doesn't look too bad but the rear fender is about to rust out from under it. I await the transformation!
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 18, 2012, 16:56:28
Remember I bought this thing sight unseen as "spares or repairs" !

When my transport guy arrived to collect it he rang me up straight away and said " Are you really sure about this" !!!!  ::)

His actual words were - "It's crumbling apart as I'm strapping it down" - so I really was expecting the worse.

The basics are all there and OK - essentially the motor turns freely and has plenty of compression - and the oil is as new ! Mostly cosmetic damage - and nothing that wouldn't have been refurbished or replaced in any event.

I cleaned some of the corrosion off the alloy rear lamp plinth - and it's completely undamaged under a layer of fur ! Even the lens is clear and undamaged.

I'm hoping to get the frame stripped and down to the shotblasters when they re-open after the holidays.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: crackerman on Dec 18, 2012, 21:34:20
Wow. That's something alright. Looks like they bobbed the frame at the seat. Good luck on this project.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: DesmoBro on Dec 19, 2012, 00:31:20
Please finish the Kay Fighter first
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 19, 2012, 06:56:31
Please finish the Kay Fighter first

Funny enough I was checking out progress on my front wheel spacer only yesterday !!

Seems like you are aware of the Kay Fighter, so you'll know the aggro I've had tring to get even small jobs done by "mates".

This front wheel spacer has started to have a life of it's own - 9 months and now the THIRD - "oh leave it to me - no problem". Wish I'd gone with my first plan and used a load of washers [ no, not really ].

I even started it and ran it up 2 weeks ago just to keep everything nicely lubed.

I've worked out that with certain out sourced services - like polishing, shotblasting, powder coating, I get a much better deal the more I take down at one time - just natural economics I guess.

So although at first glance I might seem bonkers having [ 4 now ] all these projects on the go, I can at least benefit from "bulk buying" as it were.

There'll be SIX wheels going to the powder coaters now - 2 k1200S 5 spoke alloys for the Fighter, 2 x steel XS650 wheels for Cafe Creme and now 2 x steel wheels for NSMY. He normally charges £35 each [ trade ] - I'm getting all 6 done for £150.

TWO x frames and swing arms, 2 sets of triple trees.

Then there's the polishing - 3 x sets of alloy fork bottoms, plus miscellaneous other parts.

Even mundane parts like bearings [ wheel and headstock ] benefit from bulk buying pricewise.

My funding process won't allow me to have it all done at once ! Frames / swing arms will be first together with fork polishing and triple trees - that'll allow me to assemble the frame / forks ready for the off.

I'm working on a local guy to make the frame for Cafe Creme - maybe around July.

The KZ was bought because of the extremely low price - normally ANYTHING on wheels here in the UK is around £1K +. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought it right now. For what I paid, it could sit in the garage for a few years [ but it won't ].

Yep - the Fighter will cross the finish line first, if for no other reason than it's 95% finished now !

Anyway DB - I thank you for taking the interest, there'll be new pix after the Christmas holiday - promise.   
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 19, 2012, 09:09:49
CM - thanx for the headsup on the bobbed frame rails.

I now have a picture of a bare frame and the mod is now obvious.

On the plus side - all the welding / fab seems to be of a good standard - just need to replace the top frame rail / rear loop. Bizarrely, despite all the rust and corrosion - the wiring loom is in good condition ! It's been modded, but the actual material is in good condition.

I'll give it a whirl at starting before I rip into it.

BTW - here's a high level system I'v seen on a couple of KZ750's now. I would have preferred the bends to be tighter / tidier - but better than a total one off, probably. 

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/z750pipes.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/thCAJOPXRX.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: notlob on Dec 19, 2012, 10:35:04
Good luck with this one BC I like the "lonesome Twins" and been looking for a cheap one myself.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: crackerman on Dec 19, 2012, 16:25:28
That pipe looks similar to my scrambler Arrow 2 into 1 pipe. Def much tighter bends.

(http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx8/jbutland/1ECD8637-9FC9-402F-8E3E-E2243067947C-25845-0000117A68A3A3CF.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 19, 2012, 17:41:40
That pipe looks similar to my scrambler Arrow 2 into 1 pipe. Def much tighter bends.

(http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx8/jbutland/1ECD8637-9FC9-402F-8E3E-E2243067947C-25845-0000117A68A3A3CF.jpg)

That's much more like it CM !!!!!! The two sets of pipes [ my pix ] look identical - so I'm guessing they must be commercially available. That said they DO look ugly compared to yours ! I quite like the high level Siamese system that Triumph used on some of their pre-unit Trophies [ exiting on the other side ]. I think I might end up taking some measurements and seeing if I can mod something.

BTW - I had a very good look around the donor today, and despite appearances everything that I need is in good / salvageable shape. I'm still well pleased, especially for the outlay.

I'm looking for a peanut style tank. Triumph export would be nice - but I imagine expensive. Maybe an SR250, Yam XS500 ..................... ???????
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 21, 2012, 09:14:24
2 hours in - all the clutter off and rough mock up with parts from garage. I'm keeping the pipes on for the time being as I want to try to start it over the Christmas period prior to pulling the lump.

Further little bonuses - it already has a shorty front mudguard and believe it or not NEW brake pads ! The Discs are GTG, but I'm toying with the idea of fitting a spare Brembo 2 pot caliper [ from the Kay ]. They're HALF the weight of the OEM KZ units, and I have to guess - a better braking option.

It would never have worked as a Cafe Racer - again - physically too small. Tracker will just about work out OK.

I found an eyeball smiteing Tangerine / Orange from the new Audi range - might work.

My pal just called to say he found a heavyweight Tan suede jacket in a charity shop - £5 !! That's the upholstery material sorted.

Oh yes - a neighbour has just offered me £50 for the 2 tyres !

All in all I'm pleased with my purchase - what at first seemed like a BIG mistake has turned out fine. now then, if the motor bursts into life, that'll be a happy Christmas.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750B004.jpg)

Any advice on how to repair the mudguard   8) ??

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750B001.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: Fab Tanks on Dec 21, 2012, 09:36:57
Thats a nice find and these are a great bike very understated Ive also got one waiting to be converted in to a tracker look forward to seeing your progress :)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 21, 2012, 10:46:15
Thats a nice find and these are a great bike very understated Ive also got one waiting to be converted in to a tracker look forward to seeing your progress :)

Yes, as stated - I'm well pleased - especially for the money.

I reality there's NOT a lot you can do to a Tracker to make it really different. Once you accept the idea of a 70's style, everything more or less falls into place. Seat, Bars, tank, exhaust, small / no headlamp ......................

I guess it does give you more scope to be creative with colourways and graffix.

I built a couple of smaller Trackers - XS500, GS450, but they just didn't seem to have enough "presence".

On the plus side, there's not a great deal of expense involved. I guess the exhaust and powder coating will be the main outlays.

Fingers crossed I don't find any horrors when I start the motor  !!

Something along these lines for the exhaust ...............

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/BSA-650-Scrambler-62-1.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: crackerman on Dec 21, 2012, 11:04:54
They shoulda made that exhaust hanger a little lower so the pipe just drag on the ground. Not sure how they thought that was a good idea.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 21, 2012, 11:17:08
They shoulda made that exhaust hanger a little lower so the pipe just drag on the ground. Not sure how they thought that was a good idea.

What with that and the ape hangers - I don't think bend swinging was high on the list of priorities !
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: crackerman on Dec 21, 2012, 11:44:18
 I'd pull those carbs apart and soak them. If there the original carbs they are pretty easy to take apart and put back together. Build yourself a real simple wiring harness just to power the starter and coil. Fresh gas, new plugs and it should fire up if it's not seized.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 21, 2012, 17:50:21
I'd pull those carbs apart and soak them. If there the original carbs they are pretty easy to take apart and put back together. Build yourself a real simple wiring harness just to power the starter and coil. Fresh gas, new plugs and it should fire up if it's not seized.

Yes, looking at that brown / rust staining under the carbs I'd say that would be the first on the list !

Don't want to spend too much time on them as I want to fit Amal mk2 Concentrics eventually.

Motor turns over freely and has good compression. The PO said he kept it started every 4 weeks or so when he first laid it up, then it was every 4 months and then maybe once or twice in the past 3 years ! The oil is clean as a whistle and has no emulsification or other nasties. I might just be lucky.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: Fab Tanks on Dec 31, 2012, 05:04:40
Well the big question is did or did you not manage to get this little gem running over the Christmas period hope so mate  :)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 31, 2012, 05:37:58
Well the big question is did or did you not manage to get this little gem running over the Christmas period hope so mate  :)

YES ................. swapped over the tank from my TR1, which was clean / fresh petrol and then a quick clean and flush through of the carbs - you should have seen the shite that came out !

Plugs out and spun over for a few minutes to make certain oil was getting round - plugs in and it fired right up!

I'd love to say "first prod" of the starter, but it took 4 goes to get it fired into life - not bad after it's been stood without staring for best part of a year.

I'll start the final stripdown next week and hope to have the frame and swingarm ready for the powder coaters along with my TR1 stuff in  a couple of week's time. Happy Days

No nasty noises [ apart from the rotten exhaust ] and it soon settled to a reasonable tickover - all looking good.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: john83 on Dec 31, 2012, 16:17:08
Nice!
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 06, 2013, 09:29:05
Gave the whole plot a power wash yesterday - most of the grease and grime off now and ready for the final stripdown.

I've arranged with my pal AC to have a day with his wrinkle finish plant. I plan to take as much as possible from ALL my projects. Mostly engine assemblies. He only has Black or Red paint so I'll shoot everything Black and then put a final coat of the chosen colour. Mostly Satin Black [ the wrinkle is Gloss ], but Cream [ yes really for the Cafe Creme lump ].

The tracker lump will be Satin Black with some polished highlights.

BTW - here's my original "Not so Mellow Yellow" - 356 California Speedster [ replica ].

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/img100.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: NonFiction on Jan 06, 2013, 13:27:04
The pipe on those two KZ750 trackers looks the same because I would bet they're the same bike. Yellow is just an earlier stage build photo of the orange final. I bet it's one-off exhaust. Agree the bends are too swoopy. Have that same orange bike in my own inspiration folder. I'll be watching this project unfold. Good luck!
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 13, 2013, 10:40:18
NF,

just found a guy today who makes the High level pipes for the BSA Scrambler. Looks like being around £150 [ $250 ? ] in stainless to make a set for the KZ. He's not too far away and will need the rolling chassis to make the pipes to.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: Ritz cracker on Jan 13, 2013, 12:46:34
high pipes are gonna make the bike look mean i cannt wait to see them.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: notlob on Jan 13, 2013, 14:55:06
That sounds like a good deal.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 16, 2013, 17:46:38
That sounds like a good deal.

Yes, you'd think so...... except for the KZ750 it would be £300 !!!!!!!! What fucking planet are these guys on ?

He was quite serious when he gave me the quote and expected me to order a set there and then.

I'm looking to find a set of these BSA Scrambler pipes and see if they can be modded without too much aggro.

If so, I'll buy a set of his £150 pipes - and fuck him.

Whatever, CB400T you're right - they will look the canines cajones. Different, but the same as, if you know what I mean !

A blast from the past that links that era with the more modern KZ750T.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: notlob on Jan 16, 2013, 20:53:06
Yes, you'd think so...... except for the KZ750 it would be £300 !!!!!!!! What fucking planet are these guys on ?

He was quite serious when he gave me the quote and expected me to order a set there and then.


That is a kick in the Canines Cajones.  I'm dreading ever having to get a set of headers made up. I been fortunate so far with stock ones.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 17, 2013, 05:52:33
That is a kick in the Canines Cajones.  I'm dreading ever having to get a set of headers made up. I been fortunate so far with stock ones.


IF you need special exhaust try Keihin in Redditch. They've made me some ace stuff in the past at reasonable prices. Can't use them at the moment as my pal at RAM pissed them off - so by association - I'm Blackballed.

Double crap as they're only 10 minutes from my house !

Those pipes will be the signature for my bike, so at some stage I have to sort it out / financially bite the bullet.

The bike will be going on the ramp in 2 week's time when the TR1 donor [ Cafe Racer ] is fully stripped down.

No rush really, I need to get the basics done first - powder coating frame / swingarm, wire wheels, yokes [ triple trees ]. And then there's a bunch of stuff that is labour intensive and won't require money.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 24, 2013, 18:35:42
What do we think of Metallic Electric Blue for the frame, s/arm, yokes, and ancilliaries with the Fuck Off Yellow tank etc?
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: DesmoBro on Jan 24, 2013, 18:49:21
sounds like a plan....i'd go with Red myself but thats been done
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 25, 2013, 04:35:22
Desmo,

Red [ frame ] seems to work well with Italian bikes, also with lots of Alloy [ tank, guards etc. ] and I did briefly consider that combo for the Tracker.

I guess Blue frame would also go with Tangerine - Blue tank scallops ?
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 06, 2013, 06:23:19
Help required from my US cousins.

I'm trying to find the font that's commonly used on period flat track racing numbers. I'm looking at going down the daylight MOT route now [ no lights required ] and using racing # plates front and sides.

Done the usual font searches on Word etc and found nothing.

55 is what I'm after, my old football playing number ! Naturally just one numeral is all I need.

Yellow's out of the window now - looking too "Yamaha".
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: DesmoBro on Feb 06, 2013, 10:24:56
I typed in Racing Fonts into google and this is the best I found
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 06, 2013, 11:42:17
Thanx for tha Desmo, food for thought there - I'll flag up the exact style I'm looking for.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: tomsljr on Feb 06, 2013, 19:42:49
A lot of the vintage numbers were hand painted by pinstripe guys. Have a look around for vintage sign painter's fonts.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 07, 2013, 07:14:33
I typed in Racing Fonts into google and this is the best I found

Pretorian isn't a million miles off. Thanx for the input.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 16, 2013, 12:25:23
Few more nuts and bolts off today in readiness for a complete teardown. Took the carbs off and they look like new inside ! The PO did say they were rebuilt, but looking at the bike in general, I wasn't so sure.

Anyway, just happened to move one of my Weber 40 DCOEs and thought - "I wonder if".............

yes, that would work.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/christmas2012018_zps901ff029.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 17, 2013, 11:20:01
It was actually a "Vindicator" day today, but while I was stripping the Tr1 down [ now completed ] I couldn't resist pulling some more parts off the Tracker. Everything is now ready to be unbolted - all fixings have been WD40 'd and loosened off. Surprisingly given the overall look of the bike [ ie a wreck ! ] everything came apart real easy apart from one castleated nut on the rear brake torque arm. That will have to be ground off, but otherwise - it's ready for stripdown.

I want to get all the relevant parts for the 4 projects [ !! ] boxed up for refinishing - passivating, powder coating polishing, etc. I've found I get a much better deal that way. Especially the Gold passivating as he has a minimum charge.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/christmas2012005_zpsd9ee4341.jpg)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 26, 2013, 13:28:52
Any of my US or Canadian cousins have a KZ750 head off and accessible ?

I could do with a template of the intakes [ one piece ] I want to get a flange laser cut to take the Weber 40 DCOE pipes and flanges.

Are the intakes on a flat plane ?

Many thanx in advance.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 28, 2013, 17:37:01
I'll answer my own question re: the flanges now I've got all the squitter out of the way !

I can see that they are NOT on a flat plane which means I'll have to get 2 stubs made up from the inlets converging slightly to a single plate for the Weber to bolt to. Old Alfa Twin Cams had some nifty rubber gasket / anti-vibration mounts which I could probably use.

I've seen this set up [ Weber ] used previously on old Brit twins with some success and even if it's no better as a carb - at least it looks different ! Bizarrely buying and setting up a good secondhand Weber is probably cheaper than refurbishing tired OEM carbs.

Tuning is dead easy too as you simply treat each choke as a seperate carb.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 04, 2013, 05:45:16
I loosened the rocker box off ready to remove the engine next weekend [ extra hands available ] and had a peek inside. All shiny and pristine with a new cam chain.

Maybe the PO wasn't telling porkies when he said the PO to him had rebuilt the engine. Either way - bonus if I don't have to pull the engine down [ time and money ].

Anyway, what IS that with having to take the r/box off ???? A small adjustment of the frame at design stage could have eliminated that ! It can only be a matter of 1/2" or so interference anyway.

I might try a steam clean on the assembled motor to see if that removes most of the loose paint . corrosion. There's a commercial [ lorry ] breakers near my home that has a really vicious steam cleaner that we used for VW beetle back ends when I was making Porsche Speedster replicas.

I'll be spraying the motor with my pal's wrinkle finish paint [ fine wrinkle like the H-D finish ] with polished covers [ maybe ].
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 05, 2013, 18:38:58
Tubing arrived today for the rear hoop and to replace the rusted cross piece. The rest of the frame is good and solid - just that one place has suffered.

My 5' flourescent light fittings [ x 2 ] will also be here in the next few days and I have all the electrical components to make up the feeder board in my garage. Light and power ...jeeeez. ::)

I've decided to say "fuck you" to all my so called pals who threatened to carry out some welding for me and break out my old arc set and buy a new welding helmet - omigawd. I am quite capable of dressing and tacking metal in place - then I'll get a qualified welder in to do the deed.

After the doom and gloom of last year I feel absolutely positive about things at the moment. 8)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: notlob on Mar 05, 2013, 19:55:39
Good to see the moodometer swinging to the positive. Keep up forward momentum and you'll have 3 bikes in the same BOTM vote.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 06, 2013, 10:23:29
Thanx Notlob .. certainly getting my finger out now !

Just removed what was left of the KZ wiring .......................... I think a rewire is called for !!

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kztracker_zpsc4678a76.jpg)
Title: "Tangerine Dream" KZ750 - Tracker
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 11, 2013, 19:20:15
Firstly - bike will NOT be Yellow - glad I got that out of my system. That'll probably find it's way onto to my recently re-inherited GS450 Tracker !

I am definitely going with the Weber [ or Solex / Dellorto equivalent ].

I ordered a laser cut 40 DCOE carb. flange today, so just need some tube and the head intake flanges cut.

One side benefit of Webers is that they make a superb induction noise when unfiltered ! Mine will have the inlet trumpets shown.
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 13, 2013, 18:03:43
keeping the mood of positivity .. the Weber flange arrived today.

Just need to score some tube and then get the head flanges cut and we're a step closer.

we've had snow here forthe past 4 days on and off - and definitely not encouraging to go up to a cold powerless garage.

On the plus side, the fuse box and other electrical bits arrived in the past few days, so I can get the power board made up for the garage. Then it's hang the new flourescent light fittings and connect everything up .......  jeez I won't ever want to come out then !

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/th_T2eC16dHJHIE9nysfB4BQU31wglgw60_58_zps74ffa61b.jpg) (http://s1213.beta.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/T2eC16dHJHIE9nysfB4BQU31wglgw60_58_zps74ffa61b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Not so Mellow Yellow" - KZ750 - "Tangerine Dream"
Post by: notlob on Mar 13, 2013, 21:48:56
Good progress BC.
You can keep all that snow down your end, nice and clear here ;D
Title: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 15, 2013, 08:19:35
Good progress BC.
You can keep all that snow down your end, nice and clear here ;D

Fortunately it didn't settle here - however more snow threatened for next week ...........

Next job is to get the electrics installed in the garage and then it's a final strip down of all the projects to get Powder Coating done.

BTWc - I changed the header to this thread as I have decided against Yellow on this one. ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: notlob on Mar 15, 2013, 13:45:27
Going all psychedelic. Cool man :D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 18, 2013, 07:10:39
Going all psychedelic. Cool man :D

D'you know Notlob I thought I'd made that name up all on my own ............. then when Mrs.B was rummaging around in the loft [ 25 year sort out ] she called me up to check out a pile [ like 200+ ] of old Vinyl LP albums - and what was the first one  ....................... "Tangerine Dream" !!!

BTW my young whippersnapper friends - Vinyl LP Albums - that is ye olde plastic long play records !

And you're quite right - the album sleeves are VERY psychedelic ................... tank mural ??????????????
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 21, 2013, 07:54:11
The final bits of electrickery for my garage arrived today - no excuses now, oh yes except the forecast of SNOW for the next several days. arrrrrgggghhhhhhhh  :'(

Ballderdollox and futtox.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 22, 2013, 10:45:07
Here's the inspiration for the name, if not the colour !

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/51SnJLTa4cL_zps05be47da.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tangerine-dream-rubycon_zpsd9289b66.jpg)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 28, 2013, 13:45:14
So, we DID get the snow - around 10" fell and settled here. My garage was inaccessible again due to the snow drifting up to 3' against the door. That was hardly relevant as the bloody temp was - 4 anyway !

Snow nearly all gone again now - maybe THIS weekend !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 02, 2013, 05:29:38
In between times [ !!! ].

Snow cleared
I fucked off to Saxony for a chill break [ 25 + degrees for 2 weeks ! ]
Back now - albeit with a serious dose of Man Flu - and raring to go [ 'ish ]

All the final odds for putting power in the garage arrived while I was away and just for a final kick up the ass - I came across this little gem, courtesy of Diggerdahn over on the KZ Forum [www.armbell.com. ]

Built by 2 sculptor Brothers just outside Madrid [ Spain ] .................

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kawasaki-kz750-4_zps0ec4b237.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kawasaki-kz750-4_zps0ec4b237.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kawasaki-kz750-2_zps1ae1189e.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kawasaki-kz750-2_zps1ae1189e.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kawasaki-kz750_zps5bc76215.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kawasaki-kz750_zps5bc76215.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on May 02, 2013, 14:28:55
That is cool BC, looks pretty and functional.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 03, 2013, 05:28:16
That is cool BC, looks pretty and functional.

I just LOVE the diversity of design direction.

Every one you see has a little inspirational idea here and there ....... always leraning.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 16, 2013, 05:13:45
Finally got myself a build buddy ! The guy that used to work for my pal AC [ on the C Types, Tr1 and Scorpio projects ] has agreed to help me to finish the various projects.

He left Realm under a dark cloud [ not of his making ] and I lost contact with him until last week.

He has quite a few 2, 3 and 4 wheel projects of his own - all of which display great skill and design engenuity. He has all the relevant machinery - including lathe, welders, etc. - and more important, the skill to use them.

Happy days. 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: DesmoBro on May 20, 2013, 20:31:36
Awesome
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 21, 2013, 05:53:10
Thanx Desmo ............................. AND as of yesterday "LET THERE BE LIGHT".

After almost 30 years living in my house I finally got round [ courtesy of my neighbour ] to putting an underground power supply to my remote garage and yesterday together with another good mate finally fitted the 4 way power sockets and 2 x 5' flourescent light fittings................and it all works !

To fill in the picture, until 2002 I had my own business' with 3000 sq ft + of workshop and a further 2000 sq. ft of storage.

After the KZ has been steam cleaned, it's down to the frame mods and then the bike gets a total strip down for detail and paint.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 26, 2013, 08:01:11
sounds like a plan....i'd go with Red myself but thats been done

You talked me into it Desmo !!!

Even though the Vindicator Cafe Racer [ Tr1 ] will be primarily Red / Gold / polished alloy, I sprayed up some of the Audi Tangerine and it looks - a bit girlie !!!!

That means the primary colourways will now be Red / Gold. The wheels were always going to be Gold powdercoated - so that's just an extension of the theme. Looking at that BSA Spitfire scrambler finally did it !

There's a GOOD chance I may use the fine Red wrinkle finish for the engine now with Gold and polished alloy highlight - sorry about that.

I just so happen to have a piece of the Red suede I used on my Guzzi Lemon Cafe Racer seat left in my loft.

Yes Desmo - I knew it made sense !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: DesmoBro on May 26, 2013, 09:30:40
naughty naughty... Red suede too be careful with that...don't use it all on the seat!....make some handle grips out of it, or stripe your helmet
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 05, 2013, 06:25:15
First job with my new power supply - start removing unwanted tabs etc, and also the rotten piece of tube between the seat rails.

Then it comes to cutting and fettling the replacement top rails .............. ah, I have power, but still no bench vice. !!  ::)

Who needs a vice with a KZ rear end for a bench and a pair of Mole grips for a vice - job done [ eventually ].  ;)

Tyres will be removed from wheels at the weekend, then off to be blasted and powder coated.

The carb flanges are now at the lazer cutting guy's to be profiled and cut, so I'm hoping my new build buddy can fab the Webber intake up when he gets back from France in 3 week's time.

I'll also get him to weld in all the replacement tube rails before getting the frame and s/arm blasted.

The frame is quite badly pitted in places [ although not structurally dangerous ] and the s/arm is even worse - so I'm thinking high build primer and the wrinkle finish paint that my pal has.

At least it's moving along now  ::)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/johncindywedding_zps4f656b58.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/johncindywedding_zps4f656b58.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 14, 2013, 13:00:06
Progress again !  ::)

Thanx to E-bay 2 packs  [ x 10 ] of grinding and cutting discs arrived - finish off de-tabbing and dressing replacement tubes this weekend.

Also got my Weber conversion flanges from the Lazer cutting guy - "It'll be about a week", 48 hours later they're done ! ;D

Had to have 8 pieces as a minimum order, worked out quite nicely as that was 6 head inlet flanges and 2 x Carb flange making enough for 3 sets. Just need to get some tube and talk nicely to my welder friend.

Delay on pulling the forks and wheels - THIS weekend then !  ::)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/johncindywedding013_zps46d0684a.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/johncindywedding013_zps46d0684a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 20, 2013, 12:00:31
Final strip down to bare frame today - forks out [ new bearings !!  :D], wheel etc. All engine / frame fixings loosened or removed.

Engine out at the weekend - I want to do it 2 handed as I'm not convinced about taking the valve cover off and exposing the innards ! Then it's engine off for commercial steam cleaning ready for wrinkle finish paint - WHICH WILL BE RED  :o... sorry folks.

The frame rails are pitted in places [ not structural ] and I don't think powder coat will cover the worst bits - so it's shotblast and I'll wrinkle finish paint the frame [ Black ].

I'll finish pulling discs off, bearings out and then the wheels are ready to go off for blast / powder coating [ Gold ].

Even got a bit done to my Rover P4 RestoRod project today  8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 21, 2013, 13:12:49
Found a guy who will make up my Weber intake conversion. Just need to get the motor ass'y steam cleaned and then it's all parts down to him for fabbing.  8)

Finally decided on the colourways [ for now anyway !  ::) ].

Thanx to Desmo - he's persuaded me it has to be FO Red. Then there'll be a few Gold accents  [ plus Gold powder coated wheels ] to break it up - maybe a double stripe front to back. I'm also going with the daylight MOT test - ie no lights, so I'll be using racing number plates on the side to hide battery etc, and another on the front. These will also be Red and IF I can afford it, I'll have my football playing number in Gold leaf [ 55 ].

I looked at various engine finishes [ Thanx Brother Joe and others ] and I have decided on the wrinkle Red that my pal uses on his Jag / Cobra replicas. Maybe polished fins and certainly some Gold / polished alloy to break it up. There's a guy on the Kkawasaki forum making up some exhaust stubs [ nice kit ] - then it's take out a mortgage and get the two high level pipes made up - got to be done. ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 05, 2013, 05:07:20
Big thanx for Hoggy over on the Kawasaki Twin Forum [ www.armbell.com. ].

I just happened to mention my dilema with the two high level pipes I want to have on my Tracker and he made me these as a starter for 10 ...................... don't you just love the mates you meet on forums !  8).

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/001_zpsbe8a9c2c.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/001_zpsbe8a9c2c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jul 05, 2013, 08:50:49
Nice Score BC.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 08, 2013, 05:35:56
What a load of bollox ................................ the prick who "designed" the frame / engine interferrance should be donkey knobbed !!! >:(

One thing is for sure - it's not going back the way it came out.  ;)

I was a bit shocked when I read the engine removal proceedure in the manual saying "remove valve cover and be careful not to damage the cam chain / train" ..... never mind the acres of shite that might drop into the engine.

The top mount is a glorified "head steady" - the engine is by no means a stressed member, so I'm thinking a simple redesign in that area will save one whole load of grief when the engine goes back.

In the meantime I'll make up some seals for the intake / exhaust and get the motor off for the steam cleaning process.

All the replacement tubes have been cut and dressed ready for welding - then the frame will have final de-lug and off for shot blasting.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 10, 2013, 08:52:02
The Exhaust flanges and stubs arrived this morning - courtesy of "Hoggy".

Superb work - and from a guy I've never even met ........chapeau.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 05, 2013, 10:33:59
A BIT MORE ...............

New rear sprocket arrived this morning - that'll be off for Gold passivating next week.

£22.00 [ $50? ]  - not bad
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 16, 2013, 06:09:24
Yet another score - whilst looking for suitable period tyres for the Vindicator I came across a brand new [ in date ] 130 x 80 x 18" TT100 GP tyre for £25.00 [ $60 ?]

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/T2eC16NHJIFHSf0THcSBR9--fS4ng60_58_zps9434ebb1.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/T2eC16NHJIFHSf0THcSBR9--fS4ng60_58_zps9434ebb1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 03, 2013, 10:46:38
Think I found the colour [ IF it's to be Tangerine ]. The UK Ford Focus comes in a wicked Orangey shade - we'll see.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Cuba Libre on Sep 04, 2013, 03:36:37
Have you been given a price for that?
You might be in for a shock...

M.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 04, 2013, 06:34:51
Have you been given a price for that?
You might be in for a shock...

M.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm  ............. that much !!!!!!! OK, it might be back to Renault Service Yellow [ 356 ].

I'll check it out as I still get trade deals on my paint and products. That said - I can't get my breath at how much paint and materials are since I packed in my business [ 2000 ]. No wonder rattle cans are so popular !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 25, 2013, 12:05:43
Slight change of plan - I've "stolen" the TT100 / GP to match up the 100 [ 4.10 ] x 90 x 18" TT100 for my Vindicator Cafe Racer after I saw a 160 on a TR1 - looked waaay to big enough for 60's styling.

Fortunately the tyres that came with the KZ are in good nick, so I'll use them for now - and probably get some "nobbly" tyres eventually as funds allow.

However, my enforced lay off [ dog sitting duties ] has meant loads of spare time for trawling E-Bay - and I've scored a shit load of rattle cans for silly cheap prices.

Most will be used on the Vindicator and BMW Fighter, but there should be enough for the odd bits on the tracker.

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/pumkin20132001_zps355d2273.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/pumkin20132001_zps355d2273.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 10, 2013, 18:06:49
Did a rough colour sketch yesterday.

I priced up the Ford Tangerine paint [ gulp ] and also a Mazda FO Lime Green finish - how fuckin much ?

Looked at Vikings Satin Plum [ helmet colour ] - again, must be made with platinum dust.

So - tank, seat, front m/g will be the Renault Service Yellow [ fargin BRIGHT ] with [ probably ] Satin Black stripes. So we're back to "Not so Mellow Yellow".


I'll be using the textured paint [ like the H-D engine paint ] in a FO Ferrari Red for the frame,S/A, Fork bottoms, yokes [ triple trees ], bars and a few highlights - oh yes - and the engine !

It will be "daylight MOT" certificated, which means I don't have to run lights - except a "Stop"  light for self preservation.

Tyres will be off the old wire spoked wheels by the weekend and then it's bearings out and away for blasting and powder coating Gold.


yep ........ "used to be indecisive, etc......"
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 19, 2013, 09:07:42
Collected the wheels / tyres today. Glad I let someone else [ ie professional ] do the job, as the security bolts were a bitch [ his words ]. Still only charged me £10 though !

I'll pull the spindles and seal the bearings off at the weekend - the bearings were new 500 miles ago - so no point risking damaging them. Then it's off to the powder coaters. I'm looking for a real "Brassy" Gold for the finish - we'll see.

Also theres a 4.00 x 18" Dunlop trials tyre on E-bay. Brand new and currently £25. A bit small really, but hey for £25 !!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 29, 2013, 12:36:34
As pointed out by someone who was thinking clearly - I cannot leave the bearings in situ, as the heat in the powder coating process will probably damage the seals !!    ::) ::)

At the very least, there would probably be grease all over my nice new powder coating.

Just as well I've just bought a blind bearing puller ! ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: ManxieRacer on Nov 29, 2013, 19:44:21
Yep definitely pop those bearings out, also the races for them too. Another tip from a powdercoater mate is to go to a hardware store and fill all threaded holes with cheap bolts and nuts and the same with any threaded studs. Makes the job much easier for them and will save you any potential tapping issues further on.

Also if you have a VIN plate riveted on, pop it off too as they will more often than not just powder coat straight over it!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 30, 2013, 06:58:52
Yep definitely pop those bearings out, also the races for them too. Another tip from a powdercoater mate is to go to a hardware store and fill all threaded holes with cheap bolts and nuts and the same with any threaded studs. Makes the job much easier for them and will save you any potential tapping issues further on.

Also if you have a VIN plate riveted on, pop it off too as they will more often than not just powder coat straight over it!

Hear you on using old bolts / screws. In fact I've used all the old original fixings as "blanks", then when I come to replace them with my nice shiny stainless items - 1 - I won't have to chase the threads out and 2 - I have a referrence as to which goes where ! Getting senile, need all the help I can get.

I'm toying with the idea of getting a portable 10 gallon sandblaster for all the blasting jobs I have to do. At £90 it should soon pay for itself.

Headsup on the vin plate ............ after I had one destroyed many years ago, I always remove them now.

The frame and s/arm are very badly surface corroded, so I plan to use a fine wrinkle finish paint - similar to the H-D engine paint, but a fraction of the price ! For that reason I might just blast the parts and paint them myself.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 19, 2013, 06:53:46
Price dropped to £80 with only three left - no brainer ! Will also handle Soda - bonus.

However - that WAS the money I'd saved for the wheels to be powder coated [ 2 x Tracker, 2 x BMW Fighter ]  ::)

The pc company is on a long shutdown after the Christmas break - not back until 2nd week in January, so I'll leave the wheels until then.

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KGrHqRhFjoC095BQWfMHlM3Q60_58_zps93e88054.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KGrHqRhFjoC095BQWfMHlM3Q60_58_zps93e88054.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: MrB on Dec 19, 2013, 08:25:37
Price dropped to £80 with only three left - no brainer ! Will also handle Soda - bonus.

However - that WAS the money I'd saved for the wheels to be powder coated [ 2 x Tracker, 2 x BMW Fighter ]  ::)

The pc company is on a long shutdown after the Christmas break - not back until 2nd week in January, so I'll leave the wheels until then.

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KGrHqRhFjoC095BQWfMHlM3Q60_58_zps93e88054.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KGrHqRhFjoC095BQWfMHlM3Q60_58_zps93e88054.jpg.html)

Where did you buy that from Beachcomber? I'm looking for exactly this kind of thing and at £80 its a bargain!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 19, 2013, 09:20:50
Yes - seen the very same thing for anywhere between £160 and £180!!!

Just checked - seems like they sold out! The company is "onlinepowershop2012".

There's a 20gal unit for £109 on E-bay currently.

Good luck !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 04, 2014, 06:37:11
Well, due to lots of "as before mentioned" in my other threads - this project nearly got canned.

HOWEVER, as usual, seeing some superb bikes on the DTT Forum [ inc. BOTM ] has rekindled my interest in this project. Also, various people have come forward with offers of help with small fab and welding that I cannot do [ to a standard I want ! ].

It's really just the exhaust that will be the expensive part - as it has to be right.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 16, 2014, 08:12:53
Yep, this project has had more an and offs than a $50 dollar whore........................... ::)

So the new year and decent weather has prompted me to pull my finger out for one last hurrah.

Frame now down at my pal's workshop with all the relevant tubing cut and dressed ready for his ace welder to perform his magic on. While it's down there the rear of the top seat hoop behind the shock mounts will be plasma'd off, ready for an under seat plate cum battery / electrics tray to be welded in.

The wheels will get completely stripped down this week and off to the powder coaters - Gold. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 19, 2014, 06:56:51
Frame tubing all welded in place now - just down to taking off the remaining unwanted bracketery and then down to shotblasters.

I'll start taking pix again soon.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 27, 2014, 12:44:32
Frame finally ready for the shotblaster. The brake torque rod fixing on the swingarm is proving a bit stubborn and is soaking in WD40 at the moment.

Wheels undergoing final prep at the weekend and then all the bits off to the blasters - at least some progress !!

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/bikestuff012_zpsabb0f46e.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/bikestuff012_zpsabb0f46e.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/bikestuff014_zps06172214.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/bikestuff014_zps06172214.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: DesmoBro on Mar 27, 2014, 12:54:04
Nice Dude!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 11, 2014, 14:03:55
Thanx Desmo - always good to get encouragement !  8)

Mock up of tank, seat tomorrow so I can get a pattern made for the underseat tray / finisher. All the electrics, battery etc will live in there
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: crackerman on Apr 12, 2014, 22:11:16
That frame still confuses me. Not sure if someone had chopped it up or it's not a 76 kz750. I know you modified it but still looks off. Here's a typical 76-79 KZ750B frame with then rear rounded off. Looks a lot different from yours.

(http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx8/jbutland/8D04536C-7A6D-45F7-BD2D-027965E4D288-3510-00000195FC0B9DD7.jpg)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 13, 2014, 06:47:57
That frame still confuses me. Not sure if someone had chopped it up or it's not a 76 kz750. I know you modified it but still looks off. Here's a typical 76-79 KZ750B frame with then rear rounded off. Looks a lot different from yours.

(http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx8/jbutland/8D04536C-7A6D-45F7-BD2D-027965E4D288-3510-00000195FC0B9DD7.jpg)

No definitely OEM frame [ numbers match the V5 document ] - and definitely chopped up !!

When I got it the top tubes had been cut off and the lower diagonals added to lower the seat - don't forget it had been chopperised before I got it. The new top tubes join at the rear shock top mounts - which in themselves have been trimmed back and plated over. I left the "original" diagonals in situ, but replaced the rotted out tube that originally joined the two sides at the back.

Instead of a traditional seat hoop, there will be a 2mm. sheet steel tray under the seat attached to the frame tubes that follows the Tracker seat contour. The electrics etc will live in there and be completely sealed from the elements by the seat underside - breather for electrics of course.

Otherwise the frame is as it left the factory.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 22, 2014, 11:07:18
The swingarm has had a proper inspection now - and is very rusty at the front.

Any suitable alternates ?? KZ750 stuff is pretty rare in the UK.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 01, 2014, 06:46:40
Thanx go out to Phil on the "www.lonesometwin.com " forum [ dedicated to KZ750s ] who took one of his spares to the Classic show at the weekend and only wanted a tenner [ £10 - $16 ? ] for it - top man.

Back to the mock up after the holiday weekend. Seems that my Weber conversion has grabbed a bit of attention - could be making up all 4 now !!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 06, 2014, 17:04:07
Finally cleared enough of my garage to mock up the frame / tank / seat.

I'll probably make patterns for the side "racing number" panels while I'm at it. Next is the underseat electrics tray / support and then I can remove the remaining tabs and it's off to shotblasters with the swingarm and side stand.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/bikes008_zpsebbfb48e.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/bikes008_zpsebbfb48e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on May 06, 2014, 18:36:30
Not sure how I missed such a good KZ twin thread.  Looking good BC.  I've got an 81' that I'm getting back on the road. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 07, 2014, 05:45:12
Not sure how I missed such a good KZ twin thread.  Looking good BC.  I've got an 81' that I'm getting back on the road. 

Why thank you kindly CC.

It took me a while to trip over the KZ750 - I wanted one "last" big parallel twin, and an XS650 was out - for the same reason I wouldn't put a Mojave tank on a TR1.

Originally it was to be a 60's style Cafe Racer [ back to my Constallation days ! ], but the TR1 was already well advanced [ and HAS to be finished ], and to be honest, my knees are not what they used to be and a Flat Tracker riding pose will be much kinder to my ageing joints !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on May 07, 2014, 14:02:12
Here in the states, the kz twins were not a big hit for some reason.  They're a solid motor except for some of the starter clutches.  I'm currently in progress of replacing that bit on mine.   I will go with a mild tracker setup as well.  Best thing about twins, "half the carbs" !





Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 08, 2014, 07:48:36
Here in the states, the kz twins were not a big hit for some reason.  They're a solid motor except for some of the starter clutches.  I'm currently in progress of replacing that bit on mine.   I will go with a mild tracker setup as well.  Best thing about twins, "half the carbs" !


OR only ONE carb if you go for Weber 40DCOE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: crackerman on May 08, 2014, 09:05:24
Here in the states, the kz twins were not a big hit for some reason.  They're a solid motor except for some of the starter clutches.  I'm currently in progress of replacing that bit on mine.   I will go with a mild tracker setup as well.  Best thing about twins, "half the carbs" !


Canyon, let me know if you have any questions on replacing that starter clutch. I've done about 4 of these starter clutches and there not that bad to do. You don't have to do half the stuff that the book tells you to do. I've also found replacements on ebay for cheap as new ones are expensive. I think the kz400 has the same starter clutch.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on May 08, 2014, 12:05:57
Thanks Crackerman.  I pm'd ya so as not to muck up BC's build thread. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 08, 2014, 16:57:45
Thanks Crackerman.  I pm'd ya so as not to muck up BC's build thread. 

Hey no !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's have the info out here !!

Don't know if this is a common fault - but my swingarm was obviously in a bad way corrosion-wise. When we removed the rusty metal "horseshoe" at the spindle end - I was amazed to find the actual spindle tube virtually completely rotted away !!

I've got the replacement sorted. Water obviously gets inside that metal box section and sits there gradually rotting out the tube - and you can't see it !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on May 08, 2014, 17:31:50
So what crackerman pointed out that I should have known but somehow missed in the manual is that the bolt holding the rotor is reverse thread.   Geez, no wonder it wouldn't come off.  I had already ordered and received a new oem kawasaki starter clutch and starter motor gear.  (about 130$ total)  Also, the rear axle bolt is supposed to be a good tool for backing the clutch off the shaft. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 09, 2014, 08:51:43
So what crackerman pointed out that I should have known but somehow missed in the manual is that the bolt holding the rotor is reverse thread.   Geez, no wonder it wouldn't come off.  I had already ordered and received a new oem kawasaki starter clutch and starter motor gear.  (about 130$ total)  Also, the rear axle bolt is supposed to be a good tool for backing the clutch off the shaft. 

Right there, that's 2 more bits of info I didn't know before !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on May 09, 2014, 13:57:13
I've got a PDF of the manual if you don't have one.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: crackerman on May 09, 2014, 15:56:26
Also says you gotta drain the oil when you do the starter clutch. You don't. If you lean the right side of the bike up on a wall, the opposite side of the kickstand, the oil won't leak out.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 12, 2014, 08:51:35
I've got a PDF of the manual if you don't have one.

That would be great .............
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on May 13, 2014, 14:36:37
The PDF full manual is 200mb which is huge so I didn't think it would be appropriate to post it here.  I've hosted it on my google drive account.  You can download it at this link: 


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4YmQGV2yKufWHF3XzF1RVJYLVU/edit?usp=sharing


If you have issues downloading, it PM me. 


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Cheers.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 18, 2014, 05:39:03
The PDF full manual is 200mb which is huge so I didn't think it would be appropriate to post it here.  I've hosted it on my google drive account.  You can download it at this link: 


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4YmQGV2yKufWHF3XzF1RVJYLVU/edit?usp=sharing


If you have issues downloading, it PM me. 


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Cheers.

CC - you're a star ...................... gratitude.

+Moved a little closer with the high level pipes for the Tracker. We've been knitting up a set of Siamese st.st. pipes for another project and ended up with quite a few odd bends. Just so happens that one of the bends is spot on for the right hand side, so it looks doable now.

Just need to get that Weber manifold done, and that's all the major headache outwork completed.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on May 18, 2014, 22:32:23
And crackerman was right about just leaning it over to the right and not having to drain the oil.  Wish I'd thought of that before. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 22, 2014, 12:41:02
Just wrestling with what I ought to do - and the lazy way !

Just cannot get the axle bolts [ screws? ] out of the front wheel to get the bearings out prior to blasting and powdercoating. The lazy bastard in me is saying "just seal them off", the doing it the proper way person is saying "bearings out".

I'll post a pic of the wheel tomorrow as several KZ folk have said I have a "rogue" front wheel. ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 03, 2014, 06:47:40
Here's the wheel in question - no obvious conversion spacers, brackets etc.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/SOBbikes002_zps6badf179.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/SOBbikes002_zps6badf179.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/SOBbikes003_zps66dfe475.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/SOBbikes003_zps66dfe475.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 25, 2014, 05:14:19
I managed to get some steel strip from my pal Adrian at the weekend to use for the rear seat / electrics tray support. Once that's welded in, the frame, s/a etc. are off for blasting.

Just those fargin wheels now !!!!!!!!  ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: crackerman on Jun 25, 2014, 11:21:33
Beach

I would put one side of the axle back on the fork, tighten it down real tight so the axle doesn't spin. Work loosening the other side with the tachometer. Hit it with the heat if you have to.

Here's the wheel in question - no obvious conversion spacers, brackets etc.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/SOBbikes002_zps6badf179.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/SOBbikes002_zps6badf179.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/SOBbikes003_zps66dfe475.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/SOBbikes003_zps66dfe475.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 25, 2014, 18:39:20
Fuck my old boots --- why didn't I think of that  ::)

Simples - use the fork leg as the "vice" I haven't got.

I'll hit it when I go up the workshop over the weekend - thanx a bunch for the tip. ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Bozz on Jun 25, 2014, 18:55:09
and if you have fork legs out of the triple, you can bolt them around each end and use them as levers to spin the nut off the axle.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 26, 2014, 06:34:47
and if you have fork legs out of the triple, you can bolt them around each end and use them as levers to spin the nut off the axle.

Double tip !!!!!!!!!!!!! Ta
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 08, 2014, 05:15:48
Seat / electrics tray strap finally cut and fettled - broke out my spanking new Aldi welder [ £29.00 ] only to find that the garage supply has been hooked into our low power extension [ as in room extension ] fuse / trip box.

So that came to a grinding halt after I reset the trip 3 times ! NO 35/45 amp fuses anywhere to be had, so we're back on hold again until that's resolved.

HOWEVER, when the strap is finally welded in, it's off to the shotblasters.

Three steps forward etc ...................... ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 12, 2014, 14:10:49
While waiting for the 40 amp trip block to arrive I finally got the rear wheel bearings completely sealed ready for blasting / p.c.

Also made a front mounting strap for the seat - belt and braces.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: crackerman on Jul 12, 2014, 20:11:49
While waiting for the 40 amp trip block to arrive I finally got the rear wheel bearings completely sealed ready for blasting / p.c.

Also made a front mounting strap for the seat - belt and braces.

Def recommend getting new sealed wheel bearings from Z1enterprise. Now the time to replace them when you got the wheels all apart. They don't cost that much either.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 13, 2014, 06:22:26
Thanx for the headsup CM. Where is Z1 based ? I'm in the UK. However, there are some reasonably priced bearings around. The deal is to find the bearing numbers and then go to a bearing supplier, as opposed to a motorcycle bearing specialist ! You'd be surprised how much you could save.

The bearings were replaced 500 miles before I got the bike. However, they are not expensive in the grand scheme of things.

The front will definitely be coming apart as soon as I get the spindle out !

I'll be trying the fork leg tip, plus some heat to get the job done. I don't have facilities to get heat on the job, so waiting to take the wheel to a pal with Oxy gear.

The kicker is that the chrome on the front wheel is OK ! All the spokes are GTG [ front and back ] but the back rim / spokes are badly surface corroded and beyond salvation - so powder coating it is. ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 09, 2014, 08:04:57
Frame is off tomorrow to have the seat mount brackets welded in.

Shot blasters when I get back from Saxony.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 11, 2014, 04:59:45
Having waited 3 months for "mates" NOT to do the welding, all done and dusted in 10 minutes - including cutting one new strap.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 05, 2014, 07:09:32
Just back from Saxony with a "do list" as long as your arm !!! However, that DOES mean I have a planned schedule to progress things a little quicker.

KZ Frame completed thanx to my new weld / fab pal. Powder coaters are on a summer shutdown - open again next week.

The same new tame welder guy has also agreed to fab up my Weber 40DCOE manifold. That just leaves the wheels [ yes still not sorted ! ] and the exhaust as the only big outsource jobs.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 13, 2014, 08:39:51
Frame, s/arm, side stand, yokes [ triple trees ] and fork bottoms all ready to go to powder coaters - booked in next week. Colour FO red, that's jic the wrinkle finish paint doesn't become available !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Bozz on Oct 13, 2014, 10:19:04
Pictures once they're pretty!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 30, 2014, 05:49:18
Pictures once they're pretty!

Arrrgggghhhh ........... they were flooded out with work this week.

All in the back of my car - next Monday - honest.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 30, 2014, 14:32:59
I managed to sort out a few more parts for powder coating - rear caliper mount bracket, rear brake torque arm, yokes [ triple trees ]. I had also forgotten [ !! ] to remove the old ball race cups - they're in the bin now !

While I was at it I took a picture of the final seat / undertray mounting straps I had welded in.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/shelbygraduationsept2014001_zps59b4910c.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/shelbygraduationsept2014001_zps59b4910c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 19, 2014, 09:32:46
Finally - the powder coaters are back up and running. KZ parts dropped off - ready next week as they've got a bit of a back log courtesy of the downtime with their oven.

My wire wheels are now also finally sorted - I'll drop them off when I collect the frame and parts.

My PC is playing up at the moment. but as soon as I can get access. I'll post pix of the new shiny parts ! 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 27, 2014, 09:18:16
Collected the frame and parts for the KZ and the Vindicator [ Black ] today. ;D

The bad news is that after saying they could - they now definitely want the bearings removed from the wheels before powder coating - bummer.

I contacted a pal who has got gas welding kit, and he said he'll get some heat on the spindle - has to come out one way or the other, but looks like after Christmas now. Just when things were moving along ......................................   ::)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/shelbygraduationsept2014007_zpsc11bc40f.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/shelbygraduationsept2014007_zpsc11bc40f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Nov 27, 2014, 09:26:38
Wow, looks great, too bad about the delay but any forward movement is better then none.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 27, 2014, 09:52:36
Wow, looks great, too bad about the delay but any forward movement is better then none.

Believe me after the year I've just had - this IS major progress !

Just boxing up the parts for Gold passivating - engine plates, spindles, bolts, sprockets ............. They are on a 2 week turnaround and close for the whole of Christmas week / New Year - so it looks like early January now for those parts. Hopefully that will give me time to get the engine unit steam cleaned. prepped and painted.

Just hope my "new" welder pal doesn't let me down on the Weber intake manifold fab.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 29, 2014, 09:30:25
Just dug out all the "tins" for prep / painting - Tank, front mudguard, seat base - there'll also be the obligatory "Flat Tracker race number plates.

Question ............... originally I had pretty well decided on a real Fuck Off Yellow - Renault 356 Service Yellow. That was the same as my Replica 356 California Speedster [ BRIGHT ].

Now, I'm thinking more of lighter shade - like the old Jaguar Primrose [ E Types ].

I need some input please ..............................................

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/img100.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/img100.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Nov 29, 2014, 09:45:59
You need a bright colour that can be seen from as far away as your rival can see ahead.  Going for the brightest yellow you can get!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: crackerman on Nov 29, 2014, 11:07:41
Yellow and red reminds me of Ronald McDonald. So personally I wouldn't go yellow with a red frame.

Get yourself a hand torch
http://www.lowes.com/pd_387416-743-TS8000KC_0__?productId=50126389&cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-RoughPlumbingElectrical-_-ToolsTorchKitsAndAccess-_-50126389&CAWELAID=320011480001727067&kpid=50126389&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=3e03a83c-deef-4648-dae4-000038766468&kpid=50126389

This map torch is good stuff. Get a concrete bolt anchor that fits your bearing hole, tighten and then use a socket extension on the other side to smash it back out. Once you got one out the other one is easy to remove.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 30, 2014, 07:19:14
Yellow and red reminds me of Ronald McDonald. So personally I wouldn't go yellow with a red frame.

Get yourself a hand torch
http://www.lowes.com/pd_387416-743-TS8000KC_0__?productId=50126389&cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-RoughPlumbingElectrical-_-ToolsTorchKitsAndAccess-_-50126389&CAWELAID=320011480001727067&kpid=50126389&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=3e03a83c-deef-4648-dae4-000038766468&kpid=50126389

This map torch is good stuff. Get a concrete bolt anchor that fits your bearing hole, tighten and then use a socket extension on the other side to smash it back out. Once you got one out the other one is easy to remove.


Thanx for the feedback ..........hmmmmm there is that about my least desireable food outlet [ "food" used advisedly ]

My problem CM is not the bearing removal as such - I have a brand new set of blind bearing pullers - the front wheel spindle is resisting all efforts to remove it. Apparantly it is NOT an OEM wheel for this bike [?]. I think a bit of heat will do the job. It's not as if I can't see how it comes apart - just getting it apart with my very limited resources. [ eg - no bench vice - in fact - no bench !!

Brodie - that Renault Service Yellow IS the brightest pure yellow known to man. I even still have a litre can of it in my stash !

Alternates to Yellow then ?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Nov 30, 2014, 07:28:52
Why not try a pearl white? White and red match quite well.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 01, 2014, 13:04:31
Just saw a red frame / white liveried bike .........................hmmmm, not sure.

I'm thinking of a pale [ almost pastel ] Yellow. Again - an old British car colour was Jonquil. Maybe with some white panels on the tank / stripes on mudguard / seat ??
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Dec 01, 2014, 13:53:39
I think Ducati produced a yellow monster with a red frame and it was sexy as hell.

Quick Google:

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Bozz on Dec 01, 2014, 13:57:28
Red frame with metallic silver would be sharp...
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Sonreir™ on Dec 01, 2014, 15:09:22
I'm a bit of a fan of the blank, red, and white combos.

Two of my bikes pictured.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: ManxieRacer on Dec 03, 2014, 01:06:44
Yep Sonreir's on the money; either red/black, red/white or red/silver are classics that work great...that said..it's your bike!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 03, 2014, 04:49:57
Appreciate all the feedback ........................ however - shouldn't a Flat Tracker be a bit "in yer face" colourwise ???

White / Black / Silver are all "classic" colour combos with Red.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Dec 03, 2014, 05:34:00
Go for the Renault yellow!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 03, 2014, 06:05:06
Go for the Renault yellow!

And I DO have a litre left over from the Porsche California job !

I'm starting the prep work on the Tank and panels / seat over the Christmas break. I'll leave top coat until the weather warms up in the Spring - unless Mrs.B let's me have the spare infra red heater for my garage !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Sonreir™ on Dec 03, 2014, 12:11:59
Appreciate all the feedback ........................ however - shouldn't a Flat Tracker be a bit "in yer face" colourwise ???

Hard to argue with that.  Plus, with a name like "Tangerine Dream", it would be a real shame not to go with a lot of orange.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 04, 2014, 05:41:04
Hard to argue with that.  Plus, with a name like "Tangerine Dream", it would be a real shame not to go with a lot of orange.

"Tangerine Dream" was one of several "in house" ident. names I picked - when the tins were going to be the new Ford [ UK ] Tangerine, with a Silver frame. Until I found out the cost of the Ford paint - "How Muckin Futch ".

One of the other names [ for Yellow finish ] was "Not so Mellow Yellow" [ see the back of the Speedster ] - however until a final decider, it was easier to keep with "Tangerine Dream" for the thread !

Many years ago I built a Le Mans 60's style Cafe Racer - that was ALL Red - "Simply Red".

I saw a very pale Yellow on a car yesterday - but couldn't get close enough through the traffic to see what make it was.

I do appreciate all the feedback guys.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 13, 2014, 07:50:56
I just bought a job lot of rattle cans [ various colours ] for next to nothing. Hopefully that will give me the nod for the final colour choice.

I also found a guy on the Interweb who is selling "flake" for adding to nail varnish, decorating greetings cards etc. It looks very much like Metalflake to me ! ;) He says it suspends OK in nail varnish, so I'll have a go with a small batch suspended in clear cellulose.

70 different colours available - and compared to genuine Flake for painting - silly cheap. Nothing to lose except a few quid's worth of materials.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 22, 2014, 06:37:43
Not to duplicate the story - but I've ended up with a 30' x 6'6" lean to / workshop space at the side of the house. Mrs.B thinks it's a log store  ;)................. I'm thinking GBFO workbench, compressor, bench vice, LIGHT, HEAT, NO DRIPPING WATER ..heaven. I have to leave around 10' for logs - we only use the open fire Christmas / special occasions / for effect, so we don't need the sort of store we have in Saxony.

Will be finished mid way through Jan ................... then watch me go. ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Dec 22, 2014, 06:54:22
Excellent. Congratulations mate.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 22, 2014, 15:46:13
Sounds like a mancave upgrade to me.  Congrats!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Dec 22, 2014, 16:03:39
Nice. That will be a welcome addition for sure.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 07, 2015, 19:26:04
Here's the Mini-Flake samples I ordered. There's over 70 colours available [ !! ].

As soon as my new "workshop" is watertight / sealed I'll get on with testing the flake out.

IF it's successful - re-fuckin-sult ............. it's less than 1/2 the price of regular flake - we'll see.

BTW - the Yellow is paler in real life and not far off the tone of Yellow I'm looking for the tins.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/68roadrunnerlights007_zpsd73f3def.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/68roadrunnerlights007_zpsd73f3def.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/68roadrunnerlights009_zpsc1fffa3e.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/68roadrunnerlights009_zpsc1fffa3e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jan 08, 2015, 08:31:03
Cool TJ do you need a flake gun and compressor or can you sprinkle it on over a tray and re-use it etc.?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 10, 2015, 05:59:00
Cool TJ do you need a flake gun and compressor or can you sprinkle it on over a tray and re-use it etc.?

I'm going to try to suspend it in clear lacquer and spray. I STILL have my flake gun from back in the 70's ! It's only a small "touch in" / detail gun, but plenty big enough for motorcycle work. The last flake jpob I did was a Vespa scooter for one of my customers.

As to the "sprinkle" method - I'm sure that would work as most of the samples the company sent me have been done in that way.

IF it works well with spraying [ can't see why not ] then I have hit upon an inexpensive source of flake !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 11, 2015, 07:47:26
That's 4 peeps that's had a go at removing the front wheel spindle now !!!! So it's not just me being a dummy.

I have had the offer of a complete front end from a B2 for £150 - but that's out of the funding window at the moment. The rear wheel bearings are now out [ courtesy of a pal ] - and the wheel bearings ARE as new [ as the PO told me ! ] and have come out unscathed.

I'll drop the front wheel off to my tame machine shop owner next week - worst case scenario - I'll get him to turn / cut the sleeve nut off and make me a new one.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jan 11, 2015, 10:26:12
So you are going to mix the flake in a clear lacquer then spray it on?  Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 12, 2015, 05:58:50
So you are going to mix the flake in a clear lacquer then spray it on?  Sounds like a plan.

That's the one ..................... just like in the "good old days" - well '70's anyway !

The last flake job I did was as mentioned - Vespa scooter for a customer, that was in 1982 - so I'm a bit rusty now.

The trick is to get just the right amount of flake suspended in the clear - too little and you just have the odd sparkle, too much and the gun frequently clogs  and / or you need loads of clear top coat, otherwise it's like rubbing your hands over sandpaper ! Mini Flake is much simpler, although you need much more for "heavy" coverage.

Normally you spray a base colour, white, silver, gold - or one to match the flake. That is sprayed as a "finish" coat with no imperfections. In the case of my Yellow sample - it would be sprayed over Gold or light yellow.

I aim to cheat a little with this experiment - I'll use some 1/4 litre shots of clear [ thinned to suit ] and then add one sachet of flake at a time until I think it's right ! The sachets are in exact weighed amounts, so I should be able to calculate for larger quantities.

Of course - this is with cellulose paint finishes ............ I have never used any "modern" finish, so can't comment on how it works with them ? Although I assume that if the materials are comparible, the proceedure would be the same.

I'm sure we must have a paint guru out there who can explain better ?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jan 12, 2015, 08:58:14
Sounds clear to me. I am going to be doing a base, pearl, clear for the first time but I am thinking of adding a little flake in as a surprise accent but have never done that before so let us know how this goes. If you use the right kind of clear it should be able to have a 2K over it as the very last coat to protect it all. Just need to be sure it is fully cured.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 12, 2015, 09:24:51
Sounds clear to me. I am going to be doing a base, pearl, clear for the first time but I am thinking of adding a little flake in as a surprise accent but have never done that before so let us know how this goes. If you use the right kind of clear it should be able to have a 2K over it as the very last coat to protect it all. Just need to be sure it is fully cured.

yes, this Mini-Flake is ideal for the "sparkle" effect rather than a complete solid coating. That WOULD work, but you'd need a lot of flake !

I have NEVER used 2K paint ! It was "new fangled" stuff when I was in business, and I was never more than an enthusiastic amateur sprayer - reasonable - but amateur. I had an ace sprayer / body man working for me when I was in business, so no need.

Anyway - RESULT ................... front wheel spindle now removed - courtesy of a big engineering vice and a 6' breaker bar !

Again, as the PO said - the bearings are as new.

No excuses now, wheels off to be blasted and powder coated this week.

BTW - MT, the post might be a kicker - but let me know what colour you are looking for and I'll check with my supplier.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jan 12, 2015, 09:27:08
I bet that feels good to have the wheel sorted.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 18, 2015, 07:42:26
A serious dose of man flu  ::)  held everything up last week, but I've now got the wheels degreased and ready for the PC's on Tuesday.

In the meantime, my two "professional" workbenches arrived [ flat pack ! ], and in reality make a sound base - each measures 4' x 16" wide and with a top and lower shelf - £50 the 2 deleivered, that'll do nicely.

Fortunately I have some decent ex kitchen work tops that will beef up the bench and also some other panels I can use to reinforce the sides. A pal reckons he has a "big old bench vice" somewhere in his shed - looking up.

Now then, if only my Vanguard wheel adaptors would arrive ????????????
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 13, 2015, 06:47:44


So when I posted on Jan 18th [ !! ] full of hope and expectation that my Man Cave would soon be ready to work in ...................yea, fuck 'em all - so called mates who say they'll do stuff for you.

So -  NO flourescent lights, NO wiring, and NO worktops.

 APRIL 12th. The wiring is now completed [ and working ] thanx to my own efforts, just need to tidy up the cable runs and clip them up. Flourescent lights coming "soon" courtesy of E-bay, and worktops ?????? Temporarilly beefed up the workbenches into one 9 ft. long unit - but useable.

I have a nice big engineer's vice courtesy of a pal, a new pillar drill [ courtesy of Aldi - £45 ], new bench grinder / belt sander [ same source £19 ], and space for my welder, compressor and other capital tools.

As soon as the flourescent lights are installed I'll be bringing the first parts from the garage that need working on - finishing the Vindicator gas tank buck, prepping the frame for paint and also getting stuck into the KZ750 Flat Tracker.

I've decided the fork bottoms need to be the same FO Red as the frame - so they'll be stripped and powdercoated - new seals etc. along the way. I already have new taper headstock bearings.

The wheels ? Ah yes the wheels. My pal from Realm and I are working on another project [ !! ] a BMW Oilhead [ modern take on the Cafe Racer / Retro theme ] and the wheels from that are going in for Gold powder coating, so the plan is now to get them all done together with my wire spoked wheels [ MUCH lower price ! ]

I'll also have the space to lay out all the chassis related parts and see just where we're at.

Another mate of a mate has promised to make up the 40 DCOE intake manifold "one weekend", and I've even found a guy who says he can knit up the high level exhausts for me! I have the flanges for intake and exhaust, so shouldn't be too difficult. STILL undecided about the colour for the "tins" - but suspect a pale Yellow [ maybe with a bit of flake in it ] to offset the FO red.
 
Oh yes, AND the Vanguard wheel adaptors have arrived - seems like Christmas has come late this year !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 26, 2015, 10:25:06
Yep - all in working order ........ and so we begin ....................  ;D

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: john83 on Apr 28, 2015, 09:45:17
Looks like some assembly is about to begin!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 28, 2015, 18:04:36
Looks like some assembly is about to begin!

Make that "has begun" .................... after 12 months of forced non-activity on the bikes, I'm finally sorted and ready to get stuck in.

Mainly locating parts scattered all over the garage, and separating Yamaha, Kawasaki and BMW parts !!!

Today I used ALL my new shed toys - grinder, linisher, vice and pillar drill - what a thrill !

OK it was only making up new brackets to attach the Shotgun rear lamp and seat mounting brackets.

Forks drained and ready to come apart to have the fork bottoms powder coated in the same FO red as the frame. There's some other small parts to be done in the same Red.

The wire wheels finally went to the powder coaters today .. I don't think the Gold is the shade I really want .. but after all this time ......................

I'm busy going through all the nuts and bolts to see which can be replaced with stainless cap heads, and which I need to have Gold passivated, along with the new sprockets, engine brackets and other odds and sods.

Calipers are gently soaking in diesel in prep for a strip down and rebuild.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Apr 28, 2015, 19:43:37
Whoot good to hear you are getting to use the new shop space.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 01, 2015, 12:38:13
Thanx MT .............good to be able to use it at last !  ;D

More progress - electrics undertray pattern made - thanx to Kellogs ! I'll get some suitable metal when I go to see AC at the weekend. Sides will be enclosed by the "racing" number plates [ # 55 ].

Shotgun lamp and seat mounts finalised - need to give some thought to the upholstery now - I have Black and Red suede and leather ???????????????

Wheels finally back from Powder coating . not really the "blingy" Gold I wanted, but it's an excellent job - £25 per wheel [ trade ]. So, if anyone tells you wire spoked wheels can't be powder coated without dismantling - tell 'em bollox. ;)

Finally, the forks have been stripped ready for the bottoms to be p/coated in the same FO Red as the frame.

New wheel bearings ordered and fork seals arrived yesterday - trying to track down caliper rebuild kits.

Big box of parts being collected for Gold passivating - sprockets, nuts, bolts, spindles, brackets, etc.

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on May 01, 2015, 12:44:17
Looking good TJ. Looks like you are making a lot of progress now you have somewhere to work.

The rims look decent. No powder down on the bearing surfaces is always a plus. Electrics tray mock up reminds me of one thing...
(http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2012/357/2/2/vyv_s_cornflakes_motivational_by_imagineapplescruffs-d5oxivq.jpg)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 01, 2015, 18:40:08
Looking good TJ. Looks like you are making a lot of progress now you have somewhere to work.

The rims look decent. No powder down on the bearing surfaces is always a plus. Electrics tray mock up reminds me of one thing...
(http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2012/357/2/2/vyv_s_cornflakes_motivational_by_imagineapplescruffs-d5oxivq.jpg)


Spot on brodie .......... the actual visible parts of the rims are excellent - the bead well - less so, but hey, what you can't see. Compared to a strip down, pc hubs etc., then assemble with new spokes - no contest. Yes there's a couple of minor blemishes on the actual rim, but in reality, you'd have to look hard once the tyres are on ............ah yes - the tyres. Part of me is saying mild knobblies, and the other part is saying TT100s or similar.

Yes I learnt some years ago about the folly of NOT blanking off parts you don't want powder coated ! I sealed the bearing recesses with special washers and sealed them with silicone just to be sure - the powder coater bloke WAS impressed !

I realised I was somewhat ambitious to think I could work on ALL the projects at once in the new MC - so it's concentrate on building the rolling chassis for the KZ and then move everything back to the garage for final assembly. At he same time I can then bring the Vindicator parts to the MC for the same detail treatment. Sounds like a plan !

I've found a commercial steam cleaners [ lorries ], and I'm hoping that will get the KZ engine unit sufficiently prepped for the texture finish I have in mind.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 12, 2015, 13:46:49
This is the textured finish we're playing with - although we have asked the paint manufacturers for a Matt finish.

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 22, 2015, 06:10:15
The new sample of matt black textured paint has come through, and looks the biz.

Just keeping the momentum going now ........................alloy electrics undertray made and part fitted, all controls, brake parts wire brushed and painted textured Black, all threads chased out and stainless steel fixings selected.

I've bent the mount brackets for the two mini instruments and today I'll wire brush and paint the two master cylinders.

I've also got the wheels ready for their new bearings and ditto the headstock.

Hopefully I'll have the newly powder coated Red fork bottoms back next week, and the the front end is ready to go on.

I also hope to get the motor steam cleaned next week ready for the guy to make up the Webber intake.

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 30, 2015, 17:20:49
Collected my newly powder coated fork legs and rear springs and small parts yesterday .......checked them out - superb - EXCEPT THEY'RE THE WRONG FUCKIN RED !!!!

Just a shade off - and hardly noticeable, except to me - bollox.

On the plus side - all the small parts now cleaned, wire brushed and painted in textured matt Black.

Final trip to the platers next week with all the parts for Gold Passivating.

The electrics seat undertray is now completed along with all the brackets and spacers for the tray and seat.

The Wilwood caliper ? ...........maybe.

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 05, 2015, 06:47:26
"Sorry 'bout that" quoth the powder coater guy " I must be colour blind"  ;D

Box home full of anticipation of getting the forks back together this weekend, and then.............

Got news for you pal ........."YOU'RE STILL FUCKIN COLOUR BLIND".

Yet another shade of Red ... nice enough, but NOT the correct Red to match the rest of the bike. ::)

After a brief contemplation to paint the fuckers Black, I thought - NO bollox, I've paid for this to be the right colour! 
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Back to the powder coaters ready to give our man a round of fucks - day off - but the guy there says - "Fuck me he must be colour blind" - " That's 3016 and you want 3020".

Bonus [ ?? ] is that I threw the cush drive housing in to be done in the same Red - FOC.

So it's back and sort out all the stainlss cap heads for the frame attachments and finalise the seat mounts and undertray.

The white cardboard pattern was made up [ mk3 version ] and will attach to the seat side via rubber nutserts, as I have to be able to remove that easily to get the seat off. As shown it follows the line of the frame, but on seeing the pix, I've decided the top needs to follow the curve of the seat base. Maybe a couple of louvres at the back ?

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 08, 2015, 07:16:28
Can't assemble the forks this weekend - so it's on with some detailing. Finalised the seat / under tray and the pattern for the side panels. Found the original GRP mudguard, and it was much better than I remembered ! ;D The PO had trimmed the front and rear curves - and managed to get them completely different side to side !  ::)Got that sorted and rubbed down, etch primed and primer filler.

Just needs a final flatting and prime, ready for top coat. The tank has been professionally cleaned and resealed against Ethanol on the inside by the PO - and the outside is remarkably free of dents and dings. So, I'll flat that back and prep along with the other "tins" ready for colour coat.




Final pattern - still maybe louvres at the back ! This is the curve the panel will take to follow the seat.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20750%206th%20june%20002_zpsugl1ieul.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20750%206th%20june%20002_zpsugl1ieul.jpg.html)

First primer coats [ after etch prime ]

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Final flat and prep ready for final primer coat.

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Under tray / electrics plate finalised - side panels will seal it all off. Note Facet electric fuel pump for the 40 DCOE Weber.

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jun 08, 2015, 07:28:08
Nice work coming along.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 13, 2015, 04:43:24
All powder coating back and correct colour [waiting for cush drive housing ]   ;D

I had the tank blasted while I was there, as there was obvious signs of bad repair. Glad I did as a couple of lumps of filler were about to fall out ! ::)

Now etch primed and first pass of filler. I've cleaned and painted some of the small parts in thenew Black texture finish - pleased with that.

Couldn't resist putting the instruments on temp. just to give me some incentive !!

Side panels are completed [ alloy ].
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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 14, 2015, 04:56:40
Then I noticed that the new tubes that had been removed by the "ace" tyre fitter had the front one pinched and punctured.

Then I remembered that "Union Jack" [ from Israel ] had sent me a small gift of a local puncture repair kit.

How appropriate that I should fix the tube with that !
 
Thanx Lior

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 18, 2015, 13:11:09
Trying to keep the momentum going now, as I know there'll be a delay while I'm waiting for the Gold Passivating. :'(

Cush drive back [ correct colour ! ] and assembled with new bearing and seal. Also some small parts back from PC's in Satin Black.

I started fitting the bearings for the rear wheel, then realised I'm having to wait for the spacer to come back from Passivating - yes I KNOW you can't see it inside the hub !!  ::)

Front mudguard fettled and primered - final flat and then experiment with the colour [ STILL don't know !

I got the side panels cut by AC last weekend - spot on, just a final fit and fettle and it's work out how to make the fixings.

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 23, 2015, 18:12:47
Seat base and mudguard flatted and primed again - final hit with 400 wet and dry tomorrow and I'm satisfied we're ready for top coat.

The tank's had a couple more skims of filler and the shape is pretty well there - final shaping and then that's ready for the primer process.

I've ordered a litre of "True Yellow" to try out - we'll see.

The motor is booked in for a commercial steam clean in two week's time, then I can get my pal on with the Weber manifold.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 17, 2015, 08:12:02
Rear wheel bearings now fitted and waiting for the front ditto, then it's tyre fitting time.

Then ........... the front bearings are the wrong size  ::)  :'(- futtox.

New bearings ordered and then hopefully - tyres on.

The main passivating is really taking it's time due to the fact that my parts have to be "fitted in" to keep the price reasonable [ minimum charge ].

Once I have all the spindles and engine bolts back I can at least get the chassis rolling.

The yellow turned up, and I'm not happy with it ... no point rushing after all this time - I WILL get the right shade. ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 21, 2015, 17:47:45
Front wheel bearings arrived and thankfully - correct.

Being fitted tomorrow, then it's a swift check round and fit the tyres. 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: HollywoodMX on Jul 31, 2015, 00:50:12
Can't assemble the forks this weekend - so it's on with some detailing. Finalised the seat / under tray and the pattern for the side panels. Found the original GRP mudguard, and it was much better than I remembered ! ;D The PO had trimmed the front and rear curves - and managed to get them completely different side to side !  ::)Got that sorted and rubbed down, etch primed and primer filler.

Just needs a final flatting and prime, ready for top coat. The tank has been professionally cleaned and resealed against Ethanol on the inside by the PO - and the outside is remarkably free of dents and dings. So, I'll flat that back and prep along with the other "tins" ready for colour coat.




Final pattern - still maybe louvres at the back ! This is the curve the panel will take to follow the seat.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20750%206th%20june%20002_zpsugl1ieul.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20750%206th%20june%20002_zpsugl1ieul.jpg.html)

First primer coats [ after etch prime ]

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20750%206th%20june%20010_zpsdekfdqlq.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20750%206th%20june%20010_zpsdekfdqlq.jpg.html)

Final flat and prep ready for final primer coat.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20750%206th%20june%20011_zpsdlpxoq9x.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20750%206th%20june%20011_zpsdlpxoq9x.jpg.html)

Under tray / electrics plate finalised - side panels will seal it all off. Note Facet electric fuel pump for the 40 DCOE Weber.

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Oh I like that fuel pump..much better than the one on my supercharged KZ. Can it be regulated down to 1 psi?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 31, 2015, 06:06:12
HW -

It's a neat compact unit [ see pic ] the part # is Facet PRO243 - K.

There are NO specs on the instruction leaflet, but I bought it for low pressure Weber 40 DCOE [ for my KZ Flat Tracker ]. In the sales blurb it states - "from 1.5 > 4psi, flow rate 113 ltrs/hour - for engines up to 150 bhp". NO external adjustment.

Costs around £36 here in the UK.

We've used the relevant sized units for years on the Cobra and Jag replica road and race cars - always proved reliable.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%20fuel%20pump%20003_zpsvezondrv.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%20fuel%20pump%20003_zpsvezondrv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 04, 2015, 11:58:30
The rolling chassis is not far away now [ says in the script ], so I decided to finish building the newly powder coated wheels [ new bearings, refurbed and painted parts ] so I can get the tyres fitted.

That was three days ago and approximately 3 hours of searching - for the "speedo retaining plate".

I knew when I got the bike the wheel wasn't the original one for the bike [ still a Kwacker ], so when I was rebuilding and checking the workshop manual - it didn't occur to me that this wheel might not have a speedo retaining plate !!!!!!!!!! And it hasn't - bollox. >:(

Uses a different system [ simpler ] - so no plate required.

However, the 3 hours of searching in my none too tidy garage DID turn up parts that had gone awol for the next build to get back on with - the Vindicator Cafe Racer. The very expensive Duke rear lamp [ 1970's ], the rear sets, my new sprockets [ !! ], and a few parts I would have been searching another 3 hours for. ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 14, 2015, 11:14:48
Tyres fitted and wheels balanced - NO scratches !! £20 well spent.

I'll get the hub / spindles trial assembled next - all the parts have been cleaned and painted.

All comes to a grinding halt again next week as we're off for our Summer chill break to Saxony ............ oh well, I'll just have to put up with all that Saxon beer and food for 2 weeks - it's a hard life.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20005_zps794k4fxs.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20005_zps794k4fxs.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20002_zpsuc1jsirs.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20002_zpsuc1jsirs.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Aug 14, 2015, 11:25:41
Tyres fitted and wheels balanced - NO scratches !! £20 well spent.

I'll get the hub / spindles trial assembled next - all the parts have been cleaned and painted.

All comes to a grinding halt again next week as we're off for our Summer chill break to Saxony ............ oh well, I'll just have to put up with all that Saxon beer and food for 2 weeks - it's a hard life.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20005_zps794k4fxs.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20005_zps794k4fxs.jpg.html)



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The women in your family are very handsome Beach... I have to beg you to consider a second tail option... Sorry mate, but the tracker tail is hideous on a KZ.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 14, 2015, 12:41:24
TAF ........... too late on the seat, I've now cut and shaped the one off side panels and had the upholstery made [ being made as we speak ]!!

The newly media blasted discs have been painted [ centres ] this PM as I'm trying to get as many odds and sods done before I go away. I even painted the Black balance weights Gold to match the wheels - yes I know - anal.

Thanx for the compliments on my girls - Shelby and Holly [ who said I was a car nut !] After a long personal and business association with Shelby, he became Godfather to my Shelby.

Must get the looks from Mrs. B !!!! [ Brains from me though ]

Here she is at LeMans with Pete Brock and Bob Bondurant - Shelby was nursing a hangover [ Carroll that is ] !!!

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/cars040.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/cars040.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 14, 2015, 14:02:34
That is awesome!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Aug 14, 2015, 16:20:06
Legends and beauty with a pair of classic hot rods... It's no wonder why the sky is also perfect!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 15, 2015, 07:18:00
That week [ LeMans ] was unreal - we [ RAM ] supplied the pre-race cavalcade Cobra reps for "the boys" which was supported by 15 of the RAM/Bardahl Trophy race cars [ Cob reps ].

Originally we were asked to put on a race with the Trophy rep cars, but the "one-make" rule tyre suppliers cried off as they would not guarantee their tyres flat out down the Mulsanne Straight for 5 laps !! I won't mention their name to save their blushes. I even got to do a few laps - one on my own [ driving the RAM Trophy race car ] as a camera car [ French TV ] following Shelby on a "hot" lap filming him.

See the relevant Tale for details of the "raid" .....yes CC it was awesome.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 05, 2015, 17:30:53
So - collected my "Gold" Passivating today.............. no, looks bright fucking Zinc coloured to me as well. ::)  >:(

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%205th%202015%20001_zpswwe0fvnd.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%205th%202015%20001_zpswwe0fvnd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: john83 on Sep 07, 2015, 02:46:26
What the fuck?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 07, 2015, 05:22:16
Can't complain [ out loud anyway ] as it was a freebie.

My pal was having a load of BMW K100 /1100 progressive fork springs GOLD passivated. The guy does the passivating in batches and charges per batch. So I took my stuff along at the same time to take advantage of the bulk price.

"I'll do your stuff for nothing as a thank you for all the work you bring me" quoth the man " and put it in with the springs".

Absolutely - WTF ........................ ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 07, 2015, 09:17:26
yep, that's not even silver... fuhkin looks like tin rattle can paint and a shitty job at that  ???
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 09, 2015, 12:36:14
A bit more progress today - swingarm pre-assembled together with rear wheel and spindle - wanted to make sure all the parts were there [ 3 years this Dec since I pulled it apart !  ::)] and still fitted after the powder coating. All OK.

Cables all stripped cleaned oiled and reassembled ready for installation.

The engine's had another squirt over with Gunk to loosen all the crud before I jet wash it. front wheel fully assembled and ready to fit.

I stripped the rear caliper and fortunately it came apart OK [ unlike the front which is fucked ], so just need a seal kit and we're GTG.

The fork top nuts were beyond salvation - threads gone.

On a good note, the Yellow paint arrived today. I'm doing my Vanguard Estate Hot Rod in Yellow so in the end I just went for a colour - Zinc Yellow. It's SPOT ON, really.

It'll work on the Vanguard as well so I'll order another 2.5 litres as it was on special offer [ 40% off ]
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 10, 2015, 05:48:50
And here's what a Vanguard Estate looks like !

1955 and apart from the surface corrosion - virtually no structural rust in the panels.

16" x 8" Jag wheels fit under arches [ spats at the back ].

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/vanguard%20april%20015_zpslpngkgjl.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/vanguard%20april%20015_zpslpngkgjl.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/vanguard%20april%20014_zps1tqw2le1.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/vanguard%20april%20014_zps1tqw2le1.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/val%203rd%20may%20011_zpssatnvggu.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/val%203rd%20may%20011_zpssatnvggu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 10, 2015, 08:55:08
Not far from looking like a Chevy panel wagon from the 50's... Would make a nice rider support/hauler truck.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 10, 2015, 09:39:13
Not far from looking like a Chevy panel wagon from the 50's... Would make a nice rider support/hauler truck.

The plan is to make this a daily driver - Volvo V6 [ 2.8ltr ], 4 speed + o/drive, power disc front brakes and coil over RAMSHOX all round, electric power steering. Modern heater and creature comforts hidden in centre console / under dash binnacle, electric front window lifts,BMW M series front seats [ leather ].

Here in the UK the age of the vehicle makes it MOT [ annual roadworthy test ] and road tax exempt. Also qualifies for Classic insurance - even with the engine swap ! It'll have a tow bar and Safari style roof eack to make it as practical as possible.

Apart from the sills [ available from the Vanguard club ], there are NO major concerns for rust. It's astonishing.  I have the full history from the day [ and time! ] it rolled off the production line until it was laid up in a barn in 1962 where it remained [ dry ] until I found it.

It's super rare here in the UK - only 3 roadworthy examples known !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 10, 2015, 10:34:01


It's super rare here in the UK - only 3 roadworthy examples known !

I love it, the story makes for half the value and you made a rare match... 53 years waiting to be massaged back to life with modern mechanics :o If only we old sods could be so lucky eh!! I would settle for just new gaskets and a 12V electrical system. [edit] OK maybe some OHLINS knees would be nice...haah!

Keep us posted, I know these are super tedious and time is like a gail force wind going by behind you as you work... Look forward to see how things go along.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: JoeSchmofo on Sep 10, 2015, 11:44:19
I put that same fuel pump on my Mk 2 Ford Zephyr.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 11, 2015, 08:44:11
Joe

we use the relevant size units on our Jag C Type reps - never let us down.

Got to do the final prep of the seat base, mudguard and side panels. Shooting them in Zinc primer [ grey fukit - I ordered Yellow ] ] and hope nothing reacts !

Here's how to cheat on a new set of stanchions if only the top [ non-working areas ] are fucked.

My lower stanchions were in good nick, but the top under the gaiters and between the yokes had really suffered from all the years parked under a leaky lean to. £150 for my pair rechromed ?????? Not in my lifetime.

Time for some lateral thinking - New gaiters no brainer ...... then the light bulb moment - why not slip some length of polished allo tube over the bad bits. Works for me.

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%2011th%202015%20004_zpselqior4e.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%2011th%202015%20004_zpselqior4e.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 11, 2015, 09:26:24
Smooth move... Pun intended hah!


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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 17, 2015, 05:44:47
My pal just got back from the US [ working on his property ] and had an extra suitcase full of "Harbor Freight" tools and some other goodies.

Amongst them he had two sprayguns for me, one with a 1.8 nozzle for Metalflake. No excuses on the painting front now!

He also brought me some '39 Teardrops for my Vanguard, but that's another story.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 21, 2015, 12:33:39
So, well pleased with my electrics undertray, all the squitter now installed ....................... except the battery !!!!  ::) :-[

In my defence, originally the undertray came further back and the battery was due to be sited there.

Then I shortened the design ...... and promptly forgot about the battery !

Fortunately there's enough room over the fuel pump and coil to site a mini Gel battery - planned it that way - honest.  ;D

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%2019th%202015%20005_zpsgarnh67h.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%2019th%202015%20005_zpsgarnh67h.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Green199 on Sep 21, 2015, 14:32:46
Not having a lot of luck with powder or passivating ey beach!

Looking good none the less, the side covers you mocked up look awesome!

I may have missed it, but what tyres have you got mounted?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 22, 2015, 06:47:31
Not having a lot of luck with powder or passivating ey beach!

Looking good none the less, the side covers you mocked up look awesome!

I may have missed it, but what tyres have you got mounted?

Thanx for that Green ............. I'm well pleased with the way the side panels came out - originally I'd planned traditional Flat Track number plates, but they didn't look right. I have had to make blind mounts as the side panels will have to be fitted after the seat is bolted down. Probably a smallish race # plate on the front with my old football playing # - "55". Also probably. a pair of mini LED daytime running lights for self preservation !

Tyres are nothing special - originally I planned for knobblies - for "the look", but due to very diminished funds, I'm using the tyres that came with the bike. Bizzarely they are virtually new - like a lot of other stuff on the bike. They are Shinko 10SR ...... 110 x 90 x 18 and 100 x 90 x 19. They'll have to do for now as the next priority purchases will be the chain and battery.

After that, it's the high level exhaust and Weber intake to be made up, upholstery for the seat [ perforated Black Connolly hide ] and a rebuild for the Weber and I'm virtually done. Then it's straight into the Vindicator TR1 Cafe Racer !!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Green199 on Sep 22, 2015, 07:00:24
Thanx for that Green ............. I'm well pleased with the way the side panels came out - originally I'd planned traditional Flat Track number plates, but they didn't look right. I have had to make blind mounts as the side panels will have to be fitted after the seat is bolted down. Probably a smallish race # plate on the front with my old football playing # - "55". Also probably. a pair of mini LED daytime running lights for self preservation !

Tyres are nothing special - originally I planned for knobblies - for "the look", but due to very diminished funds, I'm using the tyres that came with the bike. Bizzarely they are virtually new - like a lot of other stuff on the bike. They are Shinko 10SR ...... 110 x 90 x 18 and 100 x 90 x 19. They'll have to do for now as the next priority purchases will be the chain and battery.

After that, it's the high level exhaust and Weber intake to be made up, upholstery for the seat [ perforated Black Connolly hide ] and a rebuild for the Weber and I'm virtually done. Then it's straight into the Vindicator TR1 Cafe Racer !!!

Ahh fair doos. I have heard a lot of good things about shinko's, but never tried them myself. I think they may actually look quite nice on there once they are done, but a mean set of knobblies will be hard to beat haha.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 23, 2015, 05:28:30
Remember I said the front wheel wasn't the OEM version ? Various peeps have guessed Suzuki GS ........ whatever.

I've got over all the mounting issues, and everything fits / works -however when I came to fit the replacement front caliper [ mine was fucked ] - another difference became obvious. At some point in the past a PO has not only changed the wheel, but also modified the caliper mount !

It's a bit agricultural, but seems solid enough and was working at some point before I got the bike.

So when the new [ to me ] 6K mile old caliper arrived - OK check it out [ perfect ] and change the mount over ..................... like one of those 3D puzzles [ 2D puzzles defeat me ! ].

It just didn't make sense, until I checked over the original pix when I got the bike - realising that my bike had the caliper mounted in front of the spindle [ axle ]  ::)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%2017th%202015%20008_zpswn9k0z2d.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%2017th%202015%20008_zpswn9k0z2d.jpg.html)

This seems so LONG ago now - Ok it  .......................... was THREE years ago this December. :-[

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6K mile old caliper ..

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 29, 2015, 12:29:19
TIME TO DUST THE OLD SPRAY GUNS OFF AND MAKE A SERIOUS START [ caps lock off now ] on the prep and paint.

First job - make a "spray booth" - done

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%202015%20007_zpsmgwt0dqp.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%202015%20007_zpsmgwt0dqp.jpg.html)

Then shoot some Zinc Etch primer, and hope it doesn't react like the rattle can did [?]

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%202015%20005_zpsqutvnxgf.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%202015%20005_zpsqutvnxgf.jpg.html)

And here's the rearranged electrics undertray - Blue Peter mock up of the 12ah Gel battery - coil now under the main tray, but covered by the side panels. Just waiting for the 4 way fuse box to arrive and fit .. ........ then the small matter of the wiring !

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%202015%20001_zpshixnwkzn.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%202015%20001_zpshixnwkzn.jpg.html)

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 22, 2015, 09:10:12
After all that careful prep - the Cellulose primer / surfacer reacted with the first rattle can coat I laid down !! Can you fuckin well believe that !

The Zinc etch primer [ celly based  ] DIDN'T react, so I thought all was well. I've nearly collected all the toys I threw out of the pram - so I'll be back on it next week .. bollox. Fortunately only Zinc etch primer sprayed on the side panels and the primer / surfacer hasn't reacted with them - gas tank still waiting final patternmaking.

Also I desperately need the shim cups that go on the end of the swingarm and hols the grease sealing O rings. Plenty of O rings, but can't get the cups anywhere .. help.

The NOS fork top nuts I ordered from the US turned out to be too big enough - FUCK KNOWS what these bastard forks are I have - NOT KZ750 and not XS650 ...........

But for those three retrograde steps the chassis would have been rolling by now - back in the garage on the ramp and the Vindicator into the Man Cave for meaningful work to re-start after a 6 months lay off.

Oh yes, the electrics tray needs a complete re-jigging as the Gel battery is larger than the dimensions they gave me over the phone !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 22, 2015, 09:37:40
Put a caliper to the threads on the steering stem... I have enough top nuts to sink a small fishing boat... thread size and pitch is most the same for Japanese bikes, somewhere at 20-22mm i'm betting... may take the better of 10 days, but we could try.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 22, 2015, 17:21:10
Put a caliper to the threads on the steering stem... I have enough top nuts to sink a small fishing boat... thread size and pitch is most the same for Japanese bikes, somewhere at 20-22mm i'm betting... may take the better of 10 days, but we could try.

Thanx TAF - these are the nuts in the top of the fork stanchions [ tubes ? ]. I'll have a measure up - whatever the forks are - they must be a stock size !

Note the almost total lack of threads on the ones I removed !!!!!

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20sept%207th%202015%20002_zpswdvhtegr.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20sept%207th%202015%20002_zpswdvhtegr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 03, 2015, 06:12:54
TAF .................. haven't forgotten your kind offer of assistance - but we've been pre-occupied for the past several weeks as Father-in- Law has taken a bit of a turn for the worse in his fight with the big C.

The top nuts I got in from the US are marginally bigger thread, I will measure them this week.

Thanx again.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Nov 03, 2015, 08:01:24
Got it! I have some KZ tops, but all other Japan forks and some Italian stuff if you have a 3lb sledge you could pound em in if gets that close ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 12, 2015, 11:29:52
Thanx for the mechanical tip TAF ! 8)

The old fork nuts are so shagged I can't get a decent reading as to what the thread should be !

I'm taking the legs, old and new fork nuts to my tame machine shop to see if they can sort it out. It's really holding things up now as I had hoped to have the chassis on the floor and rolling by now. That said - I'm still waiting for the elusive swingarm end cup / shims !

Anyroadup - in the downtime, I FINALLY got the paint to seal on the seat and front mudguard. I freaked out last week and said "FUCKIT" - and painted them both in the same Black textured paint I'm using on the engine  - a bit like the H-D finsish, only about a 1/4 of the price !

The side panels have had the final primer surface coat - all rubbed out and ready for the Yellow topcoat next week - hopefully that will please my eyeballs.

While I was in the Man Cave [ extended now ! ] I decided to fit the new accessory switch [ Chinese - excellent quality and £6.95 - WDF ]as I will only need minimal controls [ daylight MOT - no lights ]. As I'm trying to declutter the bars area - I thought I'd bury the cables through the bars. Then I couldn't find anything suitable to "fish" the cable through - until I spotted some old fashioned curtain cable - wworked a treat - just have to get the curtains back up before Mrs.B. notices !

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 25, 2015, 14:04:35
Hoofuckinray ............... whilst trawling through the remnants of 3 boxes marked "KZ750 parts" I came accross 2 crud encased items that turned out to be the elusive swingarm end caps !!!  ;D.

My machine shop guy was away last week, so the frok top nuts will go down for remedy this weekend.

My new gel battery turned up [ £21 including delivery ! ], so I decided to strip the under seat electrics tray out and do the job properly. I hate having to make retrograde steps - but this will only get done once ...................

I have all the electronic components now - so I'll lay everything out properly this time. While I was at it I relocated the seat mounts into a more accessible position and put a layer of high density foam on the base of the electrics tray to help insulate the units from shock. Although I DID remember to bolt through a couple of earth points !

Both the front mudguard and seat have now had a final coat of Black texture paint - I'm happy with the results.

I've given the engine /box a couple of soakings with Gunk over the past month - so a final spray and power hose off should get it ready for final cleaning / painting. My welder pal is then going to weld up my Weber 40DCOE manifold, leaving only the high level exhaust to be made  as an outsource jobbie.

The plan is to get a coat of the "Zinc Yellow" top coat on the side panels before the weather turns too cold / damp.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: o1marc on Nov 25, 2015, 14:53:30





While I was in the Man Cave [ extended now ! ] I decided to fit the new accessory switch [ Chinese - excellent quality and £6.95 - WDF ]as I will only need minimal controls [ daylight MOT - no lights ]. As I'm trying to declutter the bars area - I thought I'd bury the cables through the bars. Then I couldn't find anything suitable to "fish" the cable through - until I spotted some old fashioned curtain cable - wworked a treat - just have to get the curtains back up before Mrs.B. notices !

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/fsfsasfsafsa_zps5rdjqiio.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/fsfsasfsafsa_zps5rdjqiio.jpg.html)




I'm considering that same switch. Just saw it advertised for $3.49, free shipping, how can you go wrong?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-8-Handlebar-Universal-Motorcycle-Scooter-Horn-Turn-Signal-On-Off-Switch-US01-/161882931544?hash=item25b0f98158:g:c4QAAOSwl9BWJkok&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 25, 2015, 18:19:09

I'm considering that same switch. Just saw it advertised for $3.49, free shipping, how can you go wrong?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-8-Handlebar-Universal-Motorcycle-Scooter-Horn-Turn-Signal-On-Off-Switch-US01-/161882931544?hash=item25b0f98158:g:c4QAAOSwl9BWJkok&vxp=mtr

Mark,

I was sceptical - but I can assure you the quality is A1. Well finished and looks the canine's cajones, and it arrived in less than a week!

$3.49 ??????????????? ....................................... I woz robbed !!!!!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: o1marc on Nov 25, 2015, 23:44:35
Mark,

I was sceptical - but I can assure you the quality is A1. Well finished and looks the canine's cajones, and it arrived in less than a week!

$3.49 ??????????????? ....................................... I woz robbed !!!!!!

I actually saw them the other day for less than $3, can't find that link now. Don't know if the less than $3 one was free shipping or not.  I already have new switches but may change to one of these, I like the looks of this unit.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 26, 2015, 05:08:24
I actually saw them the other day for less than $3, can't find that link now. Don't know if the less than $3 one was free shipping or not.  I already have new switches but may change to one of these, I like the looks of this unit.

Marc,

Even at the price I paid -that is less than 1/2 what retailers are asking for here in the UK. £17 - £19 is the going price, and you just KNOW what they paid [ or less ] !

I've just ordered another 5 units at a discount price - I'll either use them on future projects or move them on to my mates.

Everything I've ordered from China / Thereabouts in the past year has been top quality and at least 50% cheaper than the UK prices - sometimes as much as 80% less. Most have been post free [??] and I've only been clobbered for one lot of duty. The longest I've waiited for an item has been 10 days - normally 7 days.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 06, 2015, 09:01:00
The seat is now finished [ apart from upholstery pad ] and the rear Shotgun lamp mounted.

Additionally, I finished painting the front mudguard and the underside of the electrics undertray. That's now been treated to a cover of thin high density foam to shock isolate the electrics. Just waiting for another fuse block [ smaller ], then I'll bolt in all the various components.

This textured paint is the same I'm going to use for the engine.

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/misc%20nov%202015%20013_zpsceklusja.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/misc%20nov%202015%20013_zpsceklusja.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/misc%20nov%202015%20009_zpsuk4pobdg.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/misc%20nov%202015%20009_zpsuk4pobdg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 23, 2016, 07:59:30
Ah deary me .............a re-emergance of an old Kidney problem has once more surfaced and laid me low over the past 3 months - and ongoing. :'(

Result is - not a lot has happened on several project fronts - but has spurred me on to get at least some of them finished before it's too late - can't ride a bike hooked up to a dialysis [ that doesn't look right ! ] machine ! ;)

Anyway - enough of that. A very good pal bought me a new compressor for Christmas and I've just finished hooking it up - and that in turn has prompted me to get my finger out. ::)

I have given the side panels the final undercoat and they are ready for the Zinc Yellow topcoat. Just waiting for the ambient temp to rise into double figures before I get on with that. I have a small heater in the Man Cave, but I want to be double sure when I spray this !

The new compressor will also run my various air tools - so I can attack the tank patternmaking that I've been putting off !

Fork leg and nuts on the way to the machine shop next week [ should have been 4 weeks ago ! ] and then I can get the s/arm in and get the bike rolling at least.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Jan 23, 2016, 08:25:09
Not good to hear about the health problems mate. Hope all will be well sooner rather than later.

Good to hear that you have scored a few new toys for the man cave. Hopefully you will be able to get cracking along once spring arrives.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Green199 on Jan 23, 2016, 11:12:44
Nice to hear you're back at it TJ, and looking forward to the progress!

This bloody cold weather needs to bugger off, I've got some painting waiting to be done too! :(
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 23, 2016, 12:50:11
Thanx for the kind words guys .... I've been down this road twice before, and each time the problem was arrested and on the last occasion reversed - fingers crossed eh ?. ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: john83 on Jan 23, 2016, 22:50:58
Sorry to hear about the health problems but glad you hear you're still plugging away at the projects.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 03, 2016, 07:07:17
Sorry to hear about the health problems but glad you hear you're still plugging away at the projects.

Thanx John,

diagnosis now confirmed - just keep taking the meds eh ?

This has made me focus on what's achievable. Nothing like a finish date with no penalty clause get outs to concentrate the mind.

Just to be clear - I actually feel quite healthy, just odd bad days, so nothing really to hold me back out of the Man Cave.

So - the BMW Streetfighter will have to go, and of the two remaining bike projects the Kawasaki is nearer to a conclusion that the Vindicator '60s Cafe Racer. That will be a real hard decision as the Vindicator needs to be done - and had loads of money thrown at it over the past 7 years. Not rushing on that decision.

The car projects are also being culled - the Scimitar GTE / Lexus has been sold on - just leaving the 1955  Vanguard Estate rod. Another one that SHOULD be finished - but realistically 2-3 years away ...........ah well you never know.

So, for the time being anyway, back to the Flat Tracker. The machine shop guy is going to look at the fork nut problem this weekend - that's the last hurdle to getting the chassis rolling on it's wheels and I can concentrate on the engine. Just need a last gunk down and power wash and then final cleaning ready for painting and detailing. Fortunately the fabricator is still OK to make the Weber manifold and I already have all the parts for that. I've even found a guy that says [ ??] he can make up the high level exhaust for me.

I have stripped down the electrics undertray and at least I can get all the electricky bits laid out and mounted.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: NoRiders on Feb 03, 2016, 14:00:41
Shame your personal health issues are claiming projects, but the silver lining is, the one's you have left will be more focussed and probably get done...yay!

I often wonder at the number of projects my mates have 'on the go' at any one time, I can barely keep up with the CBX and Beetle, plus all the other life stuff that gets in the way, to even consider taking on anything else....as much as I would love to.

Liking the tail-end and the finish is v/smart (despite the paint problems), any more you can show us yet?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 04, 2016, 05:07:43
Shame your personal health issues are claiming projects, but the silver lining is, the one's you have left will be more focussed and probably get done...yay!

I often wonder at the number of projects my mates have 'on the go' at any one time, I can barely keep up with the CBX and Beetle, plus all the other life stuff that gets in the way, to even consider taking on anything else....as much as I would love to.

Liking the tail-end and the finish is v/smart (despite the paint problems), any more you can show us yet?

NR - thanx for the support.

I've been like this all my life - collecting projects that were "too good to pass up", with the thoughts at least I have them in stock for as and when.

This thought process was active right up until my 3 score and ten - ie buy them while I can and they are cheap.

By that time niggly health issues were making me realise I was no longer a teenager  [ except in my mind ] and that I should concentrate on getting projects completed rather than in progress !

That's where I'm at now, the decision has been made to finish the KZ and one car and sell off the rest.

Back to the Tracker - the machine shop guy has promised a positive outcome with the fork top nuts in the next 10 days or so, and then it's back into it. I'll post up pix soon.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 18, 2016, 06:50:11
Due to potentially life changing circumstances I am having to abandon various car and motorcyle projects.

I am offering them first to forum / club members as the builds have been well documented with pictures.

[ UK based of course ]

ALL are to be termed “projects” to be completed. Most parts have been bought new where required or refurbished. ALL will require some smaller parts to complete.
 It would be great to see at least some of them completed before it's too late. All are unique in their own way and once completed would not be seen as someone else's makeover.

This is a deeply regrettable situation as these projects have been my ongoing passion for the past 4-5 years. Bikes in general for almost 60 !

BMW K100 Streetfighter – unique bodywork 98% complete

Yamaha TR1 1960’s style Café Racer. Most parts prepped, renewed ready for assembly. Includes very expensive Grimeca 4LS front brake / hub, alloy rims and stainless spokes [ 2 x wheels - all new ]

1955 Standard Vanguard Estate – restore or Hot Rod.

I also have my Kawasaki KZ750 [twin ] Flat Tracker, but as that is amost complete, I'll endeavour to finish it off and have some riding pleasure while I can, however it will have to be sold sooner or later.

I will list the bikes / cars separately, but of specific interest here is the following – see the related build thread and pix for details.

All will be open to sensible offers – failing that they’ll go on E-Bay [ UK ]. There's a 9 months + time frame for this - so I won't be giving the stuff away.

I'll still be around the forum for the foreseeable and will make a big effort now on the final Tale and getting the "Book" into shape.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 18, 2016, 08:32:21
Sorry to hear man.

Keep working hard to recover, things have a way of taking a turn.Think on passing one of your favorite works in progress off to a young man who has the same passion but has no money... money will never seem as valuable again.

Cheers Beach!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 18, 2016, 11:55:48
Cheers BC.  I wish you well. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 25, 2016, 04:41:18
Initial reports back and yes - kidney function is declining. Full assessment [ after current meds ] in April.

That means I will be selling off ALL my projects. Including the KZ flat Tracker. I have to be brutally realistic now - deeply gutted.

Only of interest to UK peeps, but you know from the various threads what they're all about.

Worse case scenario - I'll break the bikes for bits if I have to.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Bootsey on Feb 25, 2016, 04:58:37
Initial reports back and yes - kidney function is declining. Full assessment [ after current meds ] in April.

That means I will be selling off ALL my projects. Including the KZ flat Tracker. I have to be brutally realistic now - deeply gutted.

Only of interest to UK peeps, but you know from the various threads what they're all about.

Worse case scenario - I'll break the bikes for bits if I have to.

Very sorry to hear about the health, thoroughly enjoy following your builds & posts. All the best.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: john83 on Mar 01, 2016, 22:30:19
Aw, man. I'm so sorry to hear this. I'll send good thoughts your way.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 03, 2016, 05:15:04
It's official - just had the results of the interim assessment in - I'm at stage 3 [ of 5 ] in the kidney function decline.
 
Previously at stage 2 for the past 2 years - the meds and diet holding their own.

New set of meds prescribed now and the biggie assessment in July to see if we're stuck at # 3 or continuing to decline.

So, that means that ALL the projects will have to be sold on - even the Flat Tracker which I had hoped to finish and enjoy.

I'm aiming to get everything sold off before June / July.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Apr 03, 2016, 09:27:37
It's official - just had the results of the interim assessment in - I'm at stage 3 [ of 5 ] in the kidney function decline.
 
Previously at stage 2 for the past 2 years - the meds and diet holding their own.

New set of meds prescribed now and the biggie assessment in July to see if we're stuck at # 3 or continuing to decline.

So, that means that ALL the projects will have to be sold on - even the Flat Tracker which I had hoped to finish and enjoy.

I'm aiming to get everything sold off before June / July.

Oh gees man  :( So sorry to hear.

You have to keep fighting Beach! Live like your preparing for the race of your life...

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Sonreir™ on Apr 04, 2016, 10:02:08
I have no words. :(
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 06, 2016, 04:21:28
plenty of bikes up here TJ if you get the urge mate just come and get one for a weekend, no probs ;)

John, you're a gent ............... sincere thanx
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Apr 22, 2016, 05:10:21
OK - so Vindicator Cafe Racer project sold on - time for the KZ to go.

Now I can see a bit of daylight in my garage / shed I'll get all the parts together so I can list what' there [ 90% ].

I AM going to carry on with rolling chassis assembly [ health permitting ], unless it gets sold in the meantime.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Apr 22, 2016, 12:04:20
Beach, I wish you only the best.  Good luck man.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 16, 2016, 18:59:49
Well Gawd bless global warming ................................... the recent bout of hot weather [ UK standards ] has reignited a bit of a spark.

While I was out clearing parts for the Vindicator sale, I'm looking around at the Flat Tracker project and thinking - "it's not far off really".

So, forks / top caps off to my tame machinist to have the threads turned down to the correct size. If he can't do that, he's going to make up some new caps. At the end of the day they are only acting as oil seal and spring retainers, no other stresses put on them.

Then, apart from finding all the recently scattered parts [!] there's nothing to stop me getting the chassis to a rolling stage. That alone will give me the kick up the arse I need to get on with it.

Most of the pre-assembly work had already been done when I spat the dummy out of the pram - so it should be a breeze to pick up where I left off.

I'm putting the Kay Fighter and all my other spares up for sale when I get back from my chill break in Saxony [ early June ] so I can throw some funds at getting the exhaust and Weber 40 DCOE manifold made up.

Hmmmmm.... maybe I should check out that Grimeca hubbed front wheel for fitment 8)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/vindicator%20wheels%20002_zpszgpynirj.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/vindicator%20wheels%20002_zpszgpynirj.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on May 16, 2016, 20:23:38
Good to hear you are inspired again.
Slow progress is still progress. Looking forward to seeing the roller.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: dualero on May 18, 2016, 08:03:33
Good to hear you are inspired again.
Slow progress is still progress. Looking forward to seeing the roller.
+1 beachcomber, keep it up, slow and steady, but still going forward

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on May 18, 2016, 08:34:51
Stunning! and the wheels look nice too  :o
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 18, 2016, 14:12:26
Stunning! and the wheels look nice too  :o

Shelby top and Holly bottom right - our [ me and MrsB 3rd ] two lovely girls.

On reflection, I'll keep to plan A and sell the Grimeca braked wheel and matching rear off. There's nearly £2000's worth at retail there - plus the fact that the Grimeca 4LS hubs are no longer available. And to be honest the Gold steel wheels turned out OK

Some of the leftover Vindicator bits will see service - I'm determined to use the unique Brass Monza cap on something !

I've also got 2 sets of new Tarozzi rearsets spare now - so I might use one of them and flog the other.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20005_zps794k4fxs.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20005_zps794k4fxs.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20002_zpsuc1jsirs.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%2014th%20Aug%20002_zpsuc1jsirs.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/68%20roadrunner%20lights%20011_zpst6by6ecp.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/68%20roadrunner%20lights%20011_zpst6by6ecp.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/siovhane-bay067_zps7d9f849c.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/siovhane-bay067_zps7d9f849c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 20, 2016, 04:12:15
Looks like re-threading the new caps is not an option - he's concerned that we won't end up with a "full depth" thread.

As usual this is a "mates rates" job and he DOES have a proper business to run  ;), so it will be a "fit in" job sometime next week.

One way or another [ another song coming on ] I WILL end up with a pair of suitable caps, even if it means making them from scratch. I told him to do whatever he thinks best.

That gives me a week to try to locate all the scattered parts [!] ready for the rolling chassis assembly. I'll probably leave this until I get back from Germany as the current health issue is sapping my strength and ability to do some jobs, which are for me now - two handed.

I have had offers from several big hearted peeps here in the UK to help me finish [ or even finish ] the bike off - but while I can - I want to do my best to "finish what I started ". I'm not too proud to ask for help as and when I need it. 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: NoRiders on May 20, 2016, 05:27:37
Sounds like you're finding the strength and motivation to carry on with the project beachy......it'll give you something to focus on other than your health issues, I reckon a good thing to have something other than meds/appts/results and repeat.

Beautiful daughters btw, mind you we all have beautiful daughters haha!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on May 20, 2016, 15:03:16
Sounds like you're finding the strength and motivation to carry on with the project beachy......it'll give you something to focus on other than your health issues, I reckon a good thing to have something other than meds/appts/results and repeat.

Beautiful daughters btw, mind you we all have beautiful daughters haha!
Sounds like you're finding the strength and motivation to carry on with the project beachy......it'll give you something to focus on other than your health issues, I reckon a good thing to have something other than meds/appts/results and repeat.

Beautiful daughters btw, mind you we all have beautiful daughters haha!

Just to complete the trilogy - here's my eldest [ with MrsB 1st ] 50 years young this year !

I thought I could cull all my projects and concentrate on the "future" - then I realised I have NO idea what the future may bring - so yes, focus on the Flat Tracker and forget all about other squitter. Que sera and all that bollox

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/11265527_10206765489759600_2809083731572499155_n_zpsr3rh6ovw.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/11265527_10206765489759600_2809083731572499155_n_zpsr3rh6ovw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: julian.allard66 on May 20, 2016, 15:25:49
Very nice, she's looks better than I do at 49.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on May 20, 2016, 18:43:34
%) looks mighty fine on her beach.

Get it done and ride, it will be the best medicine for sure!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 04, 2016, 10:23:35
So after nearly 6 months of doom and gloom - I've finally kicked myself into gear to carry on with the Flat Tracker.

Doesn't seem a lot of progress [ !! ] but at least I now have the fork caps back and I have no excuse NOT to assemble the rolling chassis.

That in itself will give me some encouragement as it will be going from a pile of scattered parts to something that looks like a bike ! Off for a short break in Saxony - but when I get back work starts in earnest.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%20fork%20caps%20002_zpsezwl8qek.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%20fork%20caps%20002_zpsezwl8qek.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jun 06, 2016, 19:54:59
Very glad to hear this beach. Go have fun in Saxony then give er when you get back.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 16, 2016, 13:36:19
Public thanx to UK Mark, who has donated one of his high level pipe heat shields for my project ,.......... Nice peeps here
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 17, 2016, 05:18:53
Well that didn't quite go as planned ...................... while sorting out my "library" [ over 1000 titles ] in the loft, I managed to half fall out of the loft access and twisted my back badly !

An old problem from many years ago that resulted in slight muscle inbalance at the base of my spine, and every so often a bad movement [ sometimes a sneeze or cough ] results in movement in that spinal area - and a trapped nerve !

So that's where I'm at - all revved up and no mobility ! :'(

A combination of pain killers and Jim Beam  8)seem to be keeping the worst of the pain away.

I did manage to sort out the Tarrozi clip ons and rearsets when I got back from Saxony, AND my Metisse alloy 5 gall tank and 7R seat base. The swap from Flat Tracker to Cafe Racer at this point would be purely cosmetic - bars, seat, tank, footpegs.

Heart says Cafe Racer - head [ and bad back ! ] says Flat Tracker ! At least I have the choice.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: NoRiders on Jun 17, 2016, 07:36:20
Bloody hell, not having a lot of luck lately fella, frustrating eh?

Maybe buy a lottery ticket?

Tracker would make more sense given your current situation I reckon. Get some funky chunky rubber on it :)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Jun 17, 2016, 08:04:19
Nothing an enema wunt clear up I recon!! :P ::) :o

always go with your heart man, look at the ladies you have surrounding you.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jun 29, 2016, 08:49:52
Managed to get the "special" washers for the swingarm yesterday - in reality no reason why the s/arm and forks can't go in now. I have managed to round up most of the pre-finished parts that seemed to go awol over the past 3 months or so [?], but at least all the major bits are now in one place and accounted for.

The current situation / meds are taking a bit of a toll now - lack of energy, tiredness - still remaining positive. 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 08, 2016, 05:52:05
So after eventually finding the "safe place" where I'd put the s/arm grease seals - swingarm now installed and ready to move on to the forks. First I need a drastic clear up of the wokspace. While I was sorting the relevant parts to sell with the Vindicator project - my bench and storage shelves became an absolute mess and I had a total lack of enthusiasm to do anything !

Final decision required before I fit the forks - Cafe Racer vs Flat Tracker? I'm erring towards Flat Tracker from purely practical / back problem issues - Jeeeez, don't get old folks. 8)

I hope to have the forks in place before I have to go to hospital for the Kidney complaint assessment - only 4 weeks a way now. Was originally scheduled for mid July now in August ! ::)

That does leave me with a set of Cafe Racer accessories - clip-ons, rearsets, tank, seat, etc..........................Oh yes and a set of alloy rimmed Grimeca 4LS hub wheels - NO don't even think about it !!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 20, 2016, 05:19:09
Not earth shattering progress - but moving forward at least  ;D

Swingarm now installed with temp RAMSHOX unit - might go for polished alloy with red spring.

The electrics undertray has now been laid out again to take account of the battery [ ooops ] and larger than I thought fuse box !

The polished alloy top fork tube covers have been fettled for final fit and a suitable "O" ring fitted to buffer against the top yoke to eliminate any potential rattles.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20July%2019th%20001_zpssj3kxvkw.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20July%2019th%20001_zpssj3kxvkw.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20July%2019th%20002_zpsmpytf3b7.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20July%2019th%20002_zpsmpytf3b7.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20July%2019th%20003_zpsij63cky6.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20July%2019th%20003_zpsij63cky6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jul 20, 2016, 08:40:55
Nice, anything in the forward direction is all you need!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Jul 20, 2016, 08:59:39
Lookin good Sir! a little at a time and it will be complete before you know  :)

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 20, 2016, 09:28:04
On a roll now!!

I tried the Tarozzi rear sets I bought for the Vindicator, fit a treat. Don't actually need them - but they look the bollox!

Definitely going the Flat Track route now.

A bit. more sorting my work space and then it's time to get the rolling chassis built up.

While that's ongoing I need to make a start on final pattern making on the tank.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 22, 2016, 04:32:24
So, I decided to use the Tarozzis after all. Gear side all fitted and fettled. Just needed to cut off the lower mounting boss for the original mount for clearance. It was really the sight of the OEM brake lever that decided me - a fuggly thing !

The fork legs are now pre-assembled and ready to fit - feeling really positive now.

I came accross an Amal [ repro ] choke lever that I'd bought for the Vindicator - so I'll use that for the choke on the Weber DCOE carb.

I now have the date for my assessment - armful of blood taken yesterday in preparation and the tests should take no more than a morning - and results within the week. Hopefully all done and dusted by the end of the month.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20July%2021st%20002_zpstynxxxjx.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20July%2021st%20002_zpstynxxxjx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: NoRiders on Jul 22, 2016, 05:06:06
Keep pluggin' away Beachy....Tarrozzis look the bolloxis  ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jul 22, 2016, 09:56:26
looking good, good luck on the tests, hope you pass ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 22, 2016, 12:50:28
Thanx guys - must say I'm feeling "lucky" for next week. ;)

So today's job should have been patternmaking the tank shape - then I remembered I'd loaned the extension lead to my Daughter ! Extension lead ? Yes, I planned to do the rough shaping in the garden rather than queer up my shed space  with loads of GRP dust ::)

Plan B - turn the frame around on the bench and finish fitting the Tarozzi brake lever. It's going to mean some ingenious linkage, but that's a small matter. Glad I decided to use them.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20July%2022nd%20004_zpsh3eyw32d.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20July%2022nd%20004_zpsh3eyw32d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 26, 2016, 14:49:37
While I was checking out the OEM brake ever for useable parts - lightbulb moment .............. chop the front part of the lever off, attach a bracket to act as a lever for the connection to the Tarozzi and Robert's your Pater's Brother.

All the original links / lever / pivot etc. work as OEM and makes a neat unit.

Major CKD assessment tomorrow ............................... so no more work until Thursday.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Jul 26, 2016, 17:46:56
Good thinking mate.
All the best with the tests tomorrow.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 28, 2016, 12:49:02
Cheers Brodie - Don't want any more of them there tests thank you ! That's 6 hours of my life I'll never get back.

Results promised within the week.

While I was in the shed feeling sorry for myself - I decided I didn't like the matt finish of the textured paint I used on some of the components. So stripped all the parts back down and a swift rattle can Satin Black finish has now been sprayed on - MUCH better.

So how to keep the next 7 days from dragging by while I'm waiting for results ?? GET STUCK IN !!

I decided to start on the tank today - it was still in the roughly shaped filler coat - all over. Yes it was THAT bad originally. Looked good until I had it blasted. Showed up all sorts of mayhem and dents.

So an hour later I have the first knock down pass and actually isn't that far away from shape !

I've subtly reshaped it to get rid of the flanged fabrication joints around the bottom and front to give it a smooth transition to the edges.

New number plate and chain arrived - marching on.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%20tank%2028th%20july%202016%20001_zps4twedrml.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%20tank%2028th%20july%202016%20001_zps4twedrml.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%20tank%2028th%20july%202016%20002_zps3q5rkcfj.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%20tank%2028th%20july%202016%20002_zps3q5rkcfj.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%20tank%2028th%20july%202016%20003_zps2wmipbnx.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%20tank%2028th%20july%202016%20003_zps2wmipbnx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jul 31, 2016, 05:28:58
Just to clarify [ having had a good look at the pix !!  :o] - this was just a first knock down pass to get the rough shape prior to the real work.

Of course there's lumps and bumps all over - but the basic shape is now there. A bit more filler needed on the left side bottom seam - my plan is to lose the OEM "pie crust" pressed look ! ;) Still another couple of passes required and then it's down to the detailing.

Now the wrinkle Black has had a couple more coats [ Seat base, front mudguard, odds and sods ] I'm well pleased with the look - almost as if I meant it !

I've also decided on the "Zinc Yellow" for the main colours - but maybe some Satin Black graphics to match the seat / mudguard ??

Off to see a pal this AM to get my modified brake lever bracket welded up. I made up the actuating arm and fettled it ready for the welder.

AC normally does this kind of work for me, but his master welder is still in hospital having come off second best in an argument with a tree [ car related this time ]. Inconsiderate bastard. ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 01, 2016, 05:00:40
Brake lever cut and the new actuating bracket was welded by my pal yesterday.

The action is perfect and will also allow sufficient adjustment to place the lever where I want. I even found the return spring in my box of passivated parts !

Just needs cleaning up and finish - wrinkle Satin Black ?. I'd prefer chroming - but costwise that's out of the question.

The same pal is going to make up the 40DCOE Weber manifold - I have all the flanges already [ lazer cut ] - that will just leave the exhaust to outsource.

I also scored a complete re-conned Weber in a trade for some unwanted BMW Kay bits. It was from a 1500cc Ford pre crossflow with twin Webers. Half of 1500 is 750 [ !! ] so maybe the base settings won't be too far away.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20013_zpshksbdqtu.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20013_zpshksbdqtu.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20018_zpsvvo6yt3u.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20018_zpsvvo6yt3u.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 02, 2016, 07:24:07
Duplicated here - sorry about that, but I AM a happy chappie .......................... ::)

AND THE WINNER IS ....................................... TJ  ;D ;D

Guess that group hug, Prayers, and sacrificial offerings worked.

Not out of the woods - but certainly in the clearing [ just saw Red Riding Hood ]. New meds have taken effect and halted the decline [ for now anyway ] and apart from another load of daily meds and a resonable diet, etc. just down to every 6 month assessments for the forseeable.

Effectively NO further decline in function since Christmas. No guarantees of course, but looking positive after the uncertainty of the past 6 months. Prognosis is good - while I was at the hospital awaiting the assessment, I spoke to 2 others there in the same situation - but 12 months and 18 months down the road from me. Both had remained stable for that period since their initial assessments. 8)

Side effects [ condition and meds ] is in the main an irritant rather than a problem ........... a few years left in the old fart yet. ;)

I sincerely thank you one and all for your pms, phone calls, kind thoughts words and good wishes.

Beachcomber's back  :)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Aug 02, 2016, 08:18:50
Sorta the pinch to see if it's true eh... Really Happy for you man!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 02, 2016, 08:38:30
Scored this 40DCOE in a swap for some unwanted BMW parts. It's been internally re-conned and shouldn't be too far off correct spec as it's one of a pair fitted to a 1500cc Ford. Once the intake manifold has been fabricated that just leaves the scrambler high level type exhaust to outsource down the road.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/jyjkdtjdjdj_zpscgpfl9el.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/jyjkdtjdjdj_zpscgpfl9el.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: john83 on Aug 03, 2016, 01:16:41
Oh yes!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 04, 2016, 07:06:02
next time you see these - they will hopefully be a manifold !!  8) three possibly !

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ750%20weber%20flanges_zpszab8eqsh.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ750%20weber%20flanges_zpszab8eqsh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 08, 2016, 04:24:18
The rear brake mech. is now all finished and painted - Satin Black. The rod actuator arm was bent [?] meaning the rod had been fouling the frame slightly  ::)- straightened that out while I was at it, nice smooth operation now. The 7mm [ 8mm tap ] drill finally arrived and I was able to drill and tap the boss to retain the lever. The original thread had broken off at some stage in the past.

While I had the rattle can out I gave the seat and mudguard a final coat - seat ready for the upholsterer now. Just have to decide on Red or Black leather. I have several hides [ perforated Jag hides ] left over from my Replica Car manufacturing days - might as well use some of them up and sell the rest off !

Brackets also made for the front "race number plate" [ Flat Tracker style ] this will hold a couple of very small Eagle Eye LED units as daylight running lamps.I have a couple of matching ones in Red to act as rear running lights.

I have to check the MOT requirements first as I will be running a daylight MOT.

The re-conned 40DCOE arrived Friday [ good old e-bay ] and apart from some detailing [ paint ? ] it's all ready. Jets and chokes etc. will be a bit of a guesstimate initially, but I'm sure I'll get there. I'll need to make up some sort of support for the rear of the carb. as it's slightly heavier than the original set up. I've been promised the use of a spare head to set up the flanges prior to welding - as soon as that arrives my pal will make the manifolds up.

Real progress now after the despondancy of the past 12 months. 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 08, 2016, 06:08:33
no such thing as a day time MOT TJ ,its just a standard MOT with advisories,better not fit day time running lights till after test ,if lights are fitted they must be fully functional ,switch gear if fitted must be operational so careful on what you fit ie indicators switch ,however these can be taped up ,brake light is always a good idea for self preservation ,you need a horn,speedo is not a MOT requirement but police can caution you for not having one fitted ,try to use a chopper friendly MOT station as lots of the MOT content is at the testers discretion...oh a small reflector must be fitted to the rear....think thats about it ,try dave the frame b/ham great guy and not to far from you

Thanx for the info Miffa.

Originally I'd planned for brake light [ self preservation ] and a horn. The "daylight running" LED's were another nod towards self preservation. However, they can be fitted after the MOT as they only require very small mounting holes.

Thanx for the headsup on "Dave the Frame".
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 08, 2016, 13:08:39
Rear brake ass'y completed and working spot on. Final coats of Satin Black and all GTG.

I finalised the seat base mounting brackets - so that's ready for a trip to the upholsterer.

Just have to decide on Black or Red - Suede side or leather side ?? My upholsterer is keen for me to try their new Aston Martin double stitch for the pleating .... have to think about that.

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20033_zpsyuxe9nwv.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20033_zpsyuxe9nwv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 09, 2016, 14:13:58
Yes with the Black upholstery - Suede side or Leather side ? Has to be Red stitching I guess ! The leather is a perforated [ Jag ] hide. I finished the seat mounting brackets off today - so it's ready to go to the upholsterer this weekend.

I made a second knock down pass on the tank - much closer now, and doesn't look too far away with a coat of primer filler. However, we all know how that flatters the finish !

Tripped over my Grimeca hubbed / braked Borrani rims in the shed - surplus from the sale of my TR1 Cafe Racer as the buyer didn't want them [ !! ]. The rear hub is from an XS650 Yam and the spindle fits !

The front spindle is nowhere near - but I've now got a tame stainless spindle maker ..............hhhmmmm.

It's unlikely I'll get the cost of them back [ close to £1800 with build, tyres etc.]...... Maybe

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20037_zpswipicuxr.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20037_zpswipicuxr.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20038_zps80ncegcc.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20038_zps80ncegcc.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20043_zpsje1a0spm.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20043_zpsje1a0spm.jpg.html)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20046_zpsznphmmxq.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20046_zpsznphmmxq.jpg.html)


(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/vindicator%20wheels%20002_zpszgpynirj.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/vindicator%20wheels%20002_zpszgpynirj.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/vindicator%20wheels%20001_zpsbf2g12jn.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/vindicator%20wheels%20001_zpsbf2g12jn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: NoRiders on Aug 09, 2016, 14:48:11
Excellent news on the health front fella.....now you just have to look both ways when crossing the road haha!

Re: DCOE carb - iirc they are mounted on double spring washers and done up just enough to allow the carb to absord engine vibrations. A mate had problems with his pair until he loosened the nuts off a touch. You probably already know this.

Found these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-8-Double-Coiled-Spring-Rectangular-Washers-Self-Colour-Mild-Steel-/272281187557?var=&hash=item84f84ba855
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 09, 2016, 15:38:42
Yes I have a couple of sets of those washers + special rubber "O" ringed metal gaskets.

I also have a rubber mounted strut rod to support the weight of the carb ( ex. Ford rally piece).

I used a 40DCOE many years ago on my Triumph sitter sidecar outfit. Worked a treat - just hope I can set this one up OK.

Feeling really positive now ......... great weight lifted off my shoulders.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Aug 09, 2016, 18:08:40
Good to see those awesome wheels will be put to use. Making a lot of progress now mate.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 10, 2016, 16:11:51
Brodie,

It started out as a "whatif" - but due to my sudden and recent "focus" - This one WILL be my swansong, so might a well do it the best I can. 8)

I had a good look at the wheels today and it does look quite straightforward - just means a new spindle for the front ( spacers if I'm lucky ) and spacers for the rear.

I was never  fan of the look of the rear disc / caliper anyway and it still gives me a take off
for the speedo cable.

More outsource work but the resulting look will be worth it.

And at least I get to use those wheels !  ;D

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 15, 2016, 08:33:07
I have a cylinder head coming on loan from Kaptain Kwak over on the Lonesome Twin forum - Thanx bud.

That will allow my pal to get the Weber 40DCOE manifold fabricated.

Just looking for the misplaced parts from the rear hub, then I can check out the feasibility of using the Grimeca / Borrani wheels.

Seat base off to the upholsterer on Friday .......... roaring along now ! 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 15, 2016, 08:38:54
roaring along now !

Great to see your progress BC!

Crazy
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Aug 15, 2016, 08:51:01
roaring along now ! 8)

Love the enthusiasm in this  :o
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 15, 2016, 14:45:07
Thanx for the encouragement lads ........ yes I do feel reinvigorated, the old passion is back - in spades.

I HAVE to use those wheels, even if it's only a nod to my defunct Vindicator Cafe Racer.

A further knock down on the tank today brings it ready for final surfacing, detailing and then final primer surface. Side number plates are now ready for colour. Hopefully I picked the right shade of Yellow - we'll see.

Question - front "race" number plate - square or oval ?

I'll be using my old football number - 55. I'm looking for a 60's Flat Tracker font. Over to you boys.



Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Aug 15, 2016, 14:49:25
With the tank shape for some reason I would think oval with 55 on it.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 16, 2016, 05:21:05
With the tank shape for some reason I would think oval with 55 on it.

That's the way I'm heading too !

That said, I think I'll make one of each in MDF to check out size and shape. Just ideas at the moment as the mock up will be best done when the rolling chassis is completed with the tank and seat in place.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Aug 16, 2016, 08:54:31
Oh but it's a tracker no? I like Oval, but:

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VWcAAOxyVLNSyaiM/s-l300.jpg) Tracker
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 16, 2016, 13:23:46
Oh but it's a tracker no? I like Oval, but:

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VWcAAOxyVLNSyaiM/s-l300.jpg) Tracker

Can't argue with that TAF !

So - I got the first coat of Zinc Yellow on the side panels - exactly the shade I had in my mind. HOWEVER, the Black seat now looks like a dog's dinner against the Red and Yellow. There's no way I can strip the paint back [ ie can't be arsed ] so I'll flog it on - just ordered a replacement £35 delivered. AC says it would cost him more than that to make one - AND we already have the moulds ! Then it's going to be Yellow ! Guess that means I'll have to get a new front mudguard now and paint that Yellow as well !!!! Futtox. Hmmmm - a couple of Satin Black stripes down guard, tank and seat might work.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 17, 2016, 11:19:24
That was quick  :o!! Ordered last night, arrived this morning. There are several versions of the seat base. Fortunately this one is exactly the same which will save me some time as I can just transfer the mods straight over.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 20, 2016, 04:56:28
Started modding the new seat base yesterday.  Used all the data from the old seat -mounting holes, trimming to drop around the frame tubes, etc. Final fettle and fit with side panels over the weekend - then it's prep and primer. Hopefully in colour by next weekend.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 23, 2016, 05:08:32
A bit more progress. The seat / tank / side panel fit and fettle has now been done, just requires a bit of fine tuning before I get into prep and paint.

The side panel - here in the first base coat, is actually a lot lighter / paler than it looks in the pic !

I ordered a rattle can Satin Black [ cellulose ] to use for my guide coats, there just didn't seem any point in ordering "loose" paint as the price  for even 1/2 ltr is astronomical - rattle can £5.00 !!

Next job is to prep the seat base ready for primer - it's a cheap and cheerful product, and I guess yer gets what yer pays for.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/new%20kz%20seat%20004_zps3f7bt3x5.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/new%20kz%20seat%20004_zps3f7bt3x5.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20002_zpsnnubwxxh.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tree%20garden%2031st%20july%202016%20002_zpsnnubwxxh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 26, 2016, 06:49:39
Tank has now had the second shaping pass and 2 heavy coats of primer filler - exciting eh? ::)

My matt Black rattle can [ cellulose ] arrived yesterday so I can get a guide coat on for some serious shaping.

The seat was full of little moulding gremlins - yer gets what yer pays for [ £35.00 ] - but 30 mins prep work had that sorted - also in primer filler now. All the relevant mounting holes and trimming have been done, just leaving the final fettling of seat / side panel / tank fit. I'm glad now I went down that route - as the Black definitely looked wrong !  :'(

That means [ yellow seat cowl ] that the upholstery needs to be Black. I have my perforated Jag Connolly hide, just have to decide suede or leather side up.


(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20aug%202016%20001_zpsi4rxn100.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20aug%202016%20001_zpsi4rxn100.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20aug%202016%20005_zpsoe0ywtff.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20aug%202016%20005_zpsoe0ywtff.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 27, 2016, 04:56:37
Update on the Weber manifold - Kaptain Kwak [ www.lonesometwin.com.  forum ] suggested that rather than incurr the costs of two lots of carriage [ to me, back to him ] for the loan of the head - just send the flanges up to him, and he will get the tubes and have the manifolds made up at the Nuclear engineering company he works for ! There's some really nice folks around.

Now I've decided to use the ex. Vindicator wheels, I just need to sort out exactly what spindles, spacers, shims etc. I am going to need. The same guy has volunteered to get the parts made up for me. Fortunately, when I bought the stainless steel bar material to have the spindles made for another conversion, I actually ordered a couple of spare lengths - J.I.C. So I even have the material I need without further cost. ;D

However, the wheel project can't happen until the frame is moved from the current location in my small Man Cave - as there's no room to assemble forks etc. to try the wheels out and see what's needed.

I feel much happier now I have decided to use those wheels - I went to too much trouble to make them happen in the first place. ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Aug 27, 2016, 13:45:41
Glad you're using the wheels. Like you said it was a lot of work to get them setup in the first place so use em, enjoy the down the road someone else can.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Aug 31, 2016, 06:15:53
Glad you're using the wheels. Like you said it was a lot of work to get them setup in the first place so use em, enjoy the down the road someone else can.

Can't  believe how tarnished they have become in storage ! Also some damp got to the brake drums. Fortunately only light surface rust easily wire brushed off and thankfully no damage or pitting.

Now if only I can find the cush drive, spacers and sprocket [ NEW ] I'll have all the parts in one place to begin the trial fit up.

I did find the various linkages and brackets for the Grimeca brakes that I took off ready to be chrome plated. The original finish was abyssmal and didn't reflect the £850 price tag for the units !!!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Aug 31, 2016, 08:31:26
Good ole English weather.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 13, 2016, 12:30:10
So, decided to definitely fit the Brass Monza filler cap - only had it for 40 odd years!

That meant the OEM mounting brackets had to come off - then the original stamped depression surrounding the cap hole looked all wrong ! More work - more filler.

Can't post pix at the moment ( been hacked - AGAIN !! ), but I'm sorting out my loaned lap top this week.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 15, 2016, 15:39:40
Just had a mail from Kaptain Kwak over on the Lonesome Twin forum. The first manifold is all welded up ! The first ? Well yes, I had to have 3 sets of flanges made up ( same cost as one !) so one set goes to KK as a thankyou, and I've had two different runner lengths made up ( 1 1/2" and 2 1/4" )  for myself so I can experiment.

I hope to get the spindle / spacer data sorted out next week for the ex. Vindicator wheels.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 19, 2016, 17:11:52
The Weber manifold arrived today - spot on. All fits up perfectly.

Extremely neat welding - as you might expect from a Nuclear power plant workshop!

Pix as soon as I work out this tablet thingy ( still no PC ).
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 20, 2016, 17:37:49
Mounting holes drilled to correct size, and all bolts up perfectly. I need to make a support rod / bracket as the Weber is heavier than the OEM carbs. A little more progress.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 27, 2016, 11:30:07
Help !!!! I cannot find the sprocket carrier, cush drive rubbers and how it attaches to the hub. Any pix/diagrams etc. would help. I will also need to get the relevant parts.

Wheel is ex. 1970's wire spoked / drum brake model xs500.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 27, 2016, 11:43:13
(http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af327/bmwbobz/Suspension-Frame/Wheels/TX500%20Rear%20Wheel/RrWhParts.jpg)

http://www.xs650.com/threads/1974-tx500-rear-drum-hub-plate-interchangeability.32736/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-TX500-XS500-1973-1975-Rear-Wheel-Rim-with-Sprocket-215Bx18-/182005327212?hash=item2a605ce56c:g:5pQAAOSwjVVV3Qh0&vxp=mtr

Looks like it's all there but pics can be assuming. I could buy it and ship just the needed parts  ???

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 27, 2016, 13:56:27
TAF,

Many thanx for the rapid response. My hub is exactly as the "swap" thread version. All I have is the bare hub ! ( sprocket side ). Brake side is complete.

Do you think the ebay wheel is the same model ? I have the sprocket carrier  ( only ) coming this week, but still need everything else.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 27, 2016, 16:06:17
Just getting o grips with the new lap top - learning photobucket all over again !!!

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20038_zpsfde4kboc.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20038_zpsfde4kboc.jpg.html)

Weber / manifold all mounted up. The final angle will be a bit steeper - 5 degree downdraught. Just loosely mounted to check clearances at the moment

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 27, 2016, 16:35:48

TAF,

Many thanx for the rapid response. My hub is exactly as the "swap" thread version. All I have is the bare hub ! ( sprocket side ). Brake side is complete.

Do you think the ebay wheel is the same model ? I have the sprocket carrier  ( only ) coming this week, but still need everything else.

If you have the exact model year I can dig around and find the parts from fish numbers and matching images


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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 27, 2016, 19:13:02
If you have the exact model year I can dig around and find the parts from fish numbers and matching images

I bought the wheel at an autojumble ! Sold as "early 70's XS500".

However, it's exactly the same as the one in the " swap" link you posted.

The one advertised on eBay looks like it will do the job.


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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 29, 2016, 06:52:22
TAF,

Could I ask you to check on that eBay wheel for me please? It has to be the one with the rubber cush drive.

Cheers.   TJ
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 29, 2016, 09:02:16
TAF,

Could I ask you to check on that eBay wheel for me please? It has to be the one with the rubber cush drive.

Cheers.   TJ

Sent off an inquiry request for pics of the cush dampers and also ran on another that is in even better condition for the same $$ or close... this one may be the ticket as it looks almost NOS so I could break it all down and re sell the leftover bits maybe saving you some of that $$ price and for shipping?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371743792700?_trksid=p2045573.m570.l5999&_trkparms=gh1g%3DI371743792700.N36.S1.R1.TR19
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 29, 2016, 10:11:12
Spot bollock on TAF !!! ;D

Thanx for taking the time.

How do we proceed ?

I can PayPal you the money and then pay again when you know carriage cost ?

Please let the seller know it's bought !

PM me with your PayPal details

Thanx again

TJ
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 29, 2016, 10:15:19
Spot bollock on TAF !!! ;D

Thanx for taking the time.

How do we proceed ?

I can PayPal you the money and then pay again when you know carriage cost ?

Please let the seller know it's bought !

PM me with your PayPal details

Thanx again

TJ

I got you covered TJ... we'll get it all in a box and see where the $$ are, one PP transaction will do. Pics when it arrives.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 30, 2016, 09:25:57
Huge public thanx to TAF for doing the deed for me - cheers mate.

That now means I have all the missing parts (and looking in excellent condition ) to complete the rear wheel for my KZ750 Flat Tracker.

The guy ( Kaptain Kwak ) who made the Weber intake manifold has also volunteered to make the wheel spindles to suit.

That just leaves the high level BSA Spitfire / Triumph Trophy style exhausts to have made -
I'll start saving now !!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Sep 30, 2016, 09:44:53
Honestly don't think a chain was ever greased on this gem, keeper tabs with factory lashup  :-*

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1OoAAOSwH71XPK62/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 30, 2016, 10:58:22
Yea, that needs to be a wall clock for your garage / den !!

That's as close to new as you can get - nearly forty years old ?????

Preliminary enquiries look like being around £250 for the stainless steel high level scrambler type pipes.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 03, 2016, 11:01:39
Tank is nearly there now .................. rough shaping complete, depression around the filler filled in and the filler neck is awaiting cutting down before sealing in place with metal filler.

Weber manifold / conversion completed. I am having a second manifold made with 3" runners and a slightly steeper downdraught angle [ 10 degrees instead of 5 ]. SOMEWHERE in my garage there's a box of stainless hoses and  Earl's fittings ..... just need to find them !!


(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20027_zpsnokyzqm6.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20027_zpsnokyzqm6.jpg.html)
A lot of work for some subtle styling changes ! [ Monza cap aside ].

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20014_zpst3phecga.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20014_zpst3phecga.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20039_zpsd4xtinsp.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/TJ%20SEPT%202016%20039_zpsd4xtinsp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 03, 2016, 17:39:51
The wheel arrived today! Holy smokes what a deal... This hub has almost no miles on it, the Dunlop is likely the stock tire.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161003/d162d1dc4f0f26f0c73d61d75073dbe0.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161003/bb86d064733103ec77180128acafbc46.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161003/e9274b9ce287e2584d819a6cedf88b81.jpg)


Those blue marks by the lock tabs are very likely factory QA check marks  :o
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 03, 2016, 19:09:49
That is truly amazing condition - I wonder what the rest of the bike is like !!  8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 03, 2016, 20:56:22
No other parts so I'm thinking it was a take off.


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Title: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 04, 2016, 12:08:38
Boxed and shipped

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161004/bf2d60fea557e333233af6c55bbfff09.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161004/b65e686404324a2a03f06e4dd2253ffc.jpg)

Carnage

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Nipples are never this nice

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 04, 2016, 15:21:40
Sincere thanx TAF.

That wheel DOES look like new !!! Amazing.

Paypal on it's way tonight - thanx again.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 08, 2016, 16:06:34
A bit more detail work on the tank - the shape is almost there now, and the depression around the filler cap now long gone. Maybe another hour or so and I'll be ready for final primer - then we're into colour. ;D

I'm collecting my 25 ltr blast pot next week together with a sack of blasting soda - hopefully my compressor is up to the job otherwise I have to lug it all up to my pal's workshop. Then it's blast the engine and some odds ready for painting and detailing.

Hopefully I'll have a rolling chassis by year's end.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 12, 2016, 14:03:44
The xs500 rear hub should be here by the weekend - not far away then.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 13, 2016, 06:42:13
The xs500 rear hub should be here by the weekend - not far away then.

Message sent, looks like UK customs has it now.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 13, 2016, 16:44:28
Message sent, looks like UK customs has it now.

Christmas comes early this year !!! Can' wait to see those Borrani / Gimeca braked wheels finally assembled.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 17, 2016, 09:16:29
Managed to pick up some self adhesive close cell foam for the seat base and alloy tube to match the Monza cap to the KZ tank from the classic bike show at the weekend.

Also 3 quality burrs I need to fettle the Weber intake manifold.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 19, 2016, 05:05:40
Well, that'll teach me to "guess" measurements !! Alloy tube too big enough to fit into the fuel cap opening in the tank! ::)

Plan b - cut off the extension neck on the filler and metal epoxy it direct to the tank. Oh well the tube was only a few quid, and I've already got another use for it.

While I was at it I did a bit more reshaping around the filler and a bit more fine shaping - not far off now.

There's a bit of fettling to do on the Weber intake I had made, then I can have a final trial fit of the 40DCOE.

As soon as the rear hub (xs500) arrives I can finally assemble the rear wheel and trial fit to make up spacers etc. Currently customs taking their time !

Then it's front forks in and ditto with the Grimeca front wheel.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 19, 2016, 09:16:41
My eye calipers are not what they were either. I yam waiting with bad breath to see the hub lashed up tho... what with customs to hold so long for a lump of metal?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 19, 2016, 12:33:11
My eye calipers are not what they were either. I yam waiting with bad breath to see the hub lashed up tho... what with customs to hold so long for a lump of metal?

They like to think they are important !!!!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 19, 2016, 18:52:56
Finally tracked the hub down !!

4 days Memphis to Birmingham ( England ) - TEN DAYS AWAITING CUSTOMS VALUATION !!!! That's just 10 miles away.

And the valuation ( that'll be a laugh ) will be up to another 4 days.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 19, 2016, 20:03:08
British bureaucracy is best!

Crazy
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 20, 2016, 04:34:10
British bureaucracy is best!

Crazy

Much more politely put than my thoughts !!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 20, 2016, 04:57:07
A bit more progress while I'm waiting or customs to pull their finger out. ::)

The tank shaping around the filler WAS more or less complete - then I decided to lose the filler neck plinth altogether. Overall I'm pleased I did go to the extra trouble to use the Brass Monza cap. 8)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/018_zpsezzaziqa.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/018_zpsezzaziqa.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/019_zps1y4mcw9e.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/019_zps1y4mcw9e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 22, 2016, 11:15:51
I've seen these polished with the raised part painted with black really pops the brass


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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 25, 2016, 12:41:11
The hub has finally cleared customs and is being delivered tomorrow.

The customs charge on a 20 dollar item ??? A mere £30 !!!!!!! Fuckin robbing bastards.

It's still worth it as they are virtually unobtainable here in the UK.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 26, 2016, 10:50:12
Finally arrived !! It's been at customs for TWO weeks waiting for someone to contact me  to pay customs charges ! [ £29.14 ].

40 minutes after the parcel was opened [ Thanx Tune A Fish ], the hub was stripped and reinstalled in my Grimeca wheel !

The  hub appears to be NOS - there's absolutely no usage marks on the seals, bearings, cush drive rubbers, etc.,,etc.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20hub%20oct%2026th%20004_zpsmnp5qnlb.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20hub%20oct%2026th%20004_zpsmnp5qnlb.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20hub%20oct%2026th%20012_zpswj9qhhnl.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20hub%20oct%2026th%20012_zpswj9qhhnl.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20hub%20oct%2026th%20013_zpsvzc33z5q.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20hub%20oct%2026th%20013_zpsvzc33z5q.jpg.html)

While I was waiting for the hub to arrive, a bit more shaping on the tank. Virtually there now -  a bit more shaping and then I'm into Black guide coat and final pattern - hopefully.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/003_zpsjfab7r2c.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/003_zpsjfab7r2c.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/004_zps2d6hjh5j.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/004_zps2d6hjh5j.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Oct 26, 2016, 11:38:19
Really makes the effort worth while... Hope you can recover some cost, but it looks perfect and should perform nicely.

Thanks for the gifts, never expected that.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 29, 2016, 10:15:23
Hey T.A.F. - the very least I could do to show my appreciation.

The tank is virtually there now - an hour or two more fine detailing and then it's into guide coat and surfacing time.  Does it look like  maybe 40 hours work ? Probably not, and unless you know your Kwacker tanks, most folk probably wouldn't even notice !

BUT, I've got rid of the pressed "pie crust" finish of the seams, and as a last minute brainstorm - got rid of the filller cap depression and furniture.

Just received my new Weber intake [ long version ] courtesy of Kaptain Kwak over on the Lonesome Twin forum - stunning.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZtank%20oct%2029th%20002_zpsw3onrzj5.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZtank%20oct%2029th%20002_zpsw3onrzj5.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZtank%20oct%2029th%20001_zps8ftrgyeh.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZtank%20oct%2029th%20001_zps8ftrgyeh.jpg.html)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/weber%20manifold%20001_zpsqlyjb4sm.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/weber%20manifold%20001_zpsqlyjb4sm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 04, 2016, 08:10:48
Final shaping done on the tank - then I spotted that I'd missed out the pie crust pressed seam at the rear of the tank !! Futtox.

Fortunately it's an easy fix and doesn't involve any curves ! Next week it will be guide coats and prep for topcoat. I'll be after some input as to logo / whatever on the tank and panels.

Next is finalising the measurements for the wheel spindles ( axles ). The rear is simple - just a matter of spacers. On the front I have the option of using the Grimeca spindle with spacer/sleeves, or turning down the main diameter on the OEM spindle to suit the smaller Grimeca bearings and then making a spacer sleeve for one end.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 05, 2016, 09:22:06
The tank has now had it's remedial filler where I missed it before [ ::) :-[]and a final flatting down of the filler. Ready for the guide coats next week - then I can really see how much work I need to do to get it right ! ;)

Drums now fitted to give me an idea of what's required for the spindles.

Initially looks like the rear is OK, just needs some spacers to centralise.

The front looks like using the Grimeca spindle with spacer / sleeves at each end for the for clamps [ larger diameter ]. My main concern was if it was long enough - it is. 8)

Next job is to drop the forks in and measure properly. The guy that made the Weber manifolds has volunteered to get the spindle machining sorted

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20wheels%20nov%202016%20001_zpsb3jspw6p.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20wheels%20nov%202016%20001_zpsb3jspw6p.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20wheels%20nov%202016%20002_zpsrtoo8jux.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20wheels%20nov%202016%20002_zpsrtoo8jux.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20wheels%20nov%202016%20004_zps6bemnx5e.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20wheels%20nov%202016%20004_zps6bemnx5e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 08, 2016, 18:15:05
I love those wheels!.  The tank looks awesome with that cap combo.  Those rims....   
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Nov 08, 2016, 20:49:41
Tank looks great TJ I need to get the tins off the gl and get at the same. Hope they end up half as smooth as that.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 09, 2016, 08:35:52
Maritime / CC thanx for the encouragement. You've no idea how many times I asked myself "why" over the decision to alter the basic shape of the tank !

Unfortunately I am not a natural when it comes to pattern making - I always had expert guys working for me to do that ! And to be honest, I know that the primer "flatters" the actual surface. There's one small area I had to fill- then it's guide coat and the REAL work begins.

I'm glad I decided to go with the Monza cap, and then losing the original depressed area where the OEM cap was. Another week's painstaking work ! I want people to look at the finished tank and ask "what is that off ?" You all know my feelings on using certain iconic tanks !

The wheels ....... what can I say?? Except I' m really glad the guy that bought the Vindicator project didn't want them ! Especially as the Grimeca front  4ls brake / hub is now virtually unobtainable and way beyond my financial reach. Thanx again to Tune a fish of this parish who went to a lot of trouble to get me a suitable rear wheel ( XS500) which is virtually unobtainable here in the UK and then break the hub out and ship it to me - thanx mate.

Now my health has stabilised, I'm back into planning and scheming - beyond the single project I'm left with!

I' m hoping to score a spare KZ750 lump to build up as a Mk2 engine. Why ? Well I need something to put my spare Eaton M45 supercharger on ! That was a leftover when I had to sell my 1955 Vanguard Estate Hot Rod 12 months ago, when my future health was uncertain.

I thank you all for your continued interest and encouragement.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Green199 on Nov 09, 2016, 09:24:00
Damn, Brass Monza caps look good!  8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 09, 2016, 09:48:13
Damn, Brass Monza caps look good!  8)

AND unique Green !!

I was visiting the factory that made the caps to discuss supply of the Aston gas caps for my Cobra and Porsche replicas. The cap was sat on a drawing board in the office were we had our meeting. When I expressed an interest ( opportunist ) I was told it was a one off casting to investigate the viability of obtaining a superior chromed finish. It was subsequently dismissed as being uneconomical and was being used as a paper weight !

After I committed to a small order for the Aston caps, I suggested they might want to throw in the Brass Monza ! So I guess I just had to use it. After all it's been in my garage for 30 years or so ..............
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Green199 on Nov 09, 2016, 09:51:55
Lovely stand out feature.

And a nice little origin for it too. Gonna be really nice this one TJ.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 09, 2016, 16:33:13
I did a Yellow test piece, and what seemed a good idea in my mind - isn't ! Looks like an advert for my least favourite fast food ( ?? ) outlet ! Red and Yellow !!😉

However, the satin Black guide coat does look good against the fuck off Red. Maybe with some Red graphics / stripes / whatever ?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Nov 09, 2016, 18:45:16
 ;) glad it made it. The wheels are dreamy  8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Nov 10, 2016, 08:26:32
Satin Black and Feck off red sounds like a winner. With some red accents/graphics/badges.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 10, 2016, 13:37:49
Satin Black and Feck off red sounds like a winner. With some red accents/graphics/badges.

Yes, that's growing in my mind now ! I need to match the Red on the frame, and it has to be cellulose as I've already started with that system.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 18, 2016, 17:58:07
I have the RAL # for the Red powder coat on my frame. Think it has to be satin finish to go with the black [ tank / seat base ].

Tank has had final rough shaping and primer surfacer coat today. Into Satin Black guide coat over the weekend - that will also give me an visual as to whether the colourways look OK. Seat base has been knife stoppered on all the minor imperfections. Once I shoot it in Satin Black, I can try the Black and Red perforated leather hides to see which one works.  I'm thinking Red, using the suede side.

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20tank%20nov%2018th%20002_zpshsysw4yv.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20tank%20nov%2018th%20002_zpshsysw4yv.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20tank%20nov%2018th%20006_zpscycrjvq8.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20tank%20nov%2018th%20006_zpscycrjvq8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 23, 2016, 14:09:21
Hopefully the last light wipe of filler on the tank to fill the obvious blemishes yesterday. Then it WILL be Black guide coat - honest !

Seat base now in Satin Black, but to be honest it was too cold to go out in my non heated shed to check it today !

However I did collect my powder coated Grimeca brake furniture.  Yes I know it's Gold and not chrome - but at £15.00 for PC vs £125 for chroming it was a NO BRAINER.


(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/KZ%20grimeca%20brake%20parts%20002_zps8byseexb.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/KZ%20grimeca%20brake%20parts%20002_zps8byseexb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 26, 2016, 06:28:46
So, I won't be using that brand of rattle can again ......... Shite. Looks more like a cammo finish going from full gloss to patchy matt !

Talk about " not spoiling the ship for a ha'pperth of tar " - just ordered a litre of Satin Black cellulose.

Here in the UK you have to " declare" you are using the celly paint on a vintage / classic vehicle before you can purchase it ! Of course I am.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: NoRiders on Nov 26, 2016, 07:03:43
Powdered parts look cool....hope it's not to thick around the holes?

I know I'm addressing an old lag, but when rattlecanning my tank I had smooth and rough areas which looked both shiny and dull. No matter how many passes it was the same outcome.....until I gave it a go with some compound  :D

If there's enough paint on there'll be enough to cut back a touch.....I was very surprised how well it came out in the end.

Progress is good progress  ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Nov 26, 2016, 09:00:20
Nice choice TJ I like paint over chrome for keeping clean too.

Cant wait for the final reveal  :o
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 26, 2016, 15:16:04
Powdered parts look cool....hope it's not to thick around the holes?

I know I'm addressing an old lag, but when rattlecanning my tank I had smooth and rough areas which looked both shiny and dull. No matter how many passes it was the same outcome.....until I gave it a go with some compound  :D

If there's enough paint on there'll be enough to cut back a touch.....I was very surprised how well it came out in the end.

Progress is good progress  ;D

Yes, I learned from bitter experience to blank holes / threads etc. when having powder coating done ! My guy is pretty good - if I forget, he'll always sort it. It actually looks far better ( impressive) in the "flesh".

I've used plenty of rattle cans over the years - this one is just plain crap ! It looks like the dreaded " bloom" - but the temperature / humidity was fine.

I've just ordered high build Satin Black from a reputable paint supplier - just being lazy with the rattle can as I was originally just looking to use it as a guide coat on the tank !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 28, 2016, 12:21:29
Too cold at the weekend !!!! Finally got the guide coat on today - and even before I sprayed it, I could see there was more shaping required on the right side. I guess all you "proper" painters will be laughing at my efforts - but I WILL get it right in the end !

I moved my mini-workshop around today in an effort to get enough room on the bench to assemble the forks so I can start finalising what's needed for the spindles / spacers etc. Just about do it with luck.  That's meant moving my "spray shop" [ !! ] to the other end of the shed. Compact and Bijou.

I had a final prep of the fork legs and they'll be in this week, then I can get on with the spindle measurements.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/tank%20guidr%20coat%2028th%20Nov%20002_zpsihdz6bvs.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/tank%20guidr%20coat%2028th%20Nov%20002_zpsihdz6bvs.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 02, 2016, 14:29:31
A bit of real progress at last !

I decided to move the small bike stand from the garage to my shed - and ended up mounting up the frame on the bench.

Just a short leap then to preliminary fitting of forks, rear wheel and the front wheel.

By that time it was too cold to carry on - so tomorrow it's centralise the wheels and have an initial measure up for spindles.

Fortunately the front [ Grimeca ] spindle is long enough for the fork spacing. Just requires some sleeves making up to bring the diameter up to fit the fork caps.

The rear looks OK, but I'll have to modify the sleeve [ for the disc brake mount ] or get a new one made.

I'll also sort out which sprockets I'm going to use, then I can see about centralising for the sprocket. Can't really finalise that until the engine is in and I can align the chain run.

While I'm at it, I'll remove all my reconned hydraulics and lines etc. that I won't be needing. That also means junking my rear brake set up !

New torque arm will have to be made - I'll probably go with Rose jointed rods front and back as I've got a load of odd ball joints that need using up !

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20001_zpsoml3omia.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20001_zpsoml3omia.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20009_zpsfjfbfjka.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20009_zpsfjfbfjka.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20007_zpsbkr6nin6.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20007_zpsbkr6nin6.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20011_zps3dmtxve5.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20dec%202nd%202016%20011_zps3dmtxve5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: doc_rot on Dec 02, 2016, 15:00:50
those wheels look awesome
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Dec 02, 2016, 19:57:24
Loving the red frame and fork tubes.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 03, 2016, 06:46:13
those wheels look awesome

Doc,

Yes glad I decided to use them now. I've been taking a bit of stick from my mates over the condition they're in !! The result of being stored in a damp garage for two years.

I'll be out there with the Solvol Autosol when all the mods to spindles etc. have been done.

Brodie, I have a thing about Red ! Anyway, wanted to get away from traditional colour -ways. The Satin Black celly paint should be here next week, I'll shoot the seat base just to get an idea if the Black / Red works works OK.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 05, 2016, 06:04:51
A bit of input required. I asked before, but now I'm ready to go.

Front "number" plate ............. Square or oval ?

The front and rear brake torque rods will have rod end ( Heim / Rose ) attachment - a bit more work, but it will be somewhat different.

I've decided how to do the front spindle - not as straightforward as I first thought as the spindle needs to be torqued against the bearings and also locate it within the fork caps for correct spacing.

The rear is straightforward.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Dec 05, 2016, 08:33:21
For some reason oval seems right for this bike.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: yorkie350 on Dec 05, 2016, 15:37:21
+1 with Maritime beach, oval goes well with your style looking good so far mate
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 10, 2016, 12:05:10
Thanx guys ............... I'm going down that road too.

Just so happens that an A4 note pad backing is about the right size !!! So I'll make one up of each and offer them up for approval / choice.

I plan on fitting a couple of Eagle Eye hi-intensity LEDs into the plate for self preservation ! 8)

I had planned to take my seat base in for upholstery, but my trimmer is away now [ Switzerland skiing ] until the new year - obviously paying them too much ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Dec 11, 2016, 03:56:52
Ovals get my vote as well
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Dec 11, 2016, 09:03:03
Always the spoiler  :-\  Flat Track Tradition is rectangle with rounded edge.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/43/d7/8c/43d78c318960b2e8a616a545187687a1.jpg)

This will be more of a road bike "street tracker" so... on with the ovals mang!

It really only matters what you think Beach, you have done so well in the past, why question your own judgment now?  :o
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 11, 2016, 13:48:14
Always the spoiler  :-\  Flat Track Tradition is rectangle with rounded edge.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/43/d7/8c/43d78c318960b2e8a616a545187687a1.jpg)

This will be more of a road bike "street tracker" so... on with the ovals mang!

It really only matters what you think Beach, you have done so well in the past, why question your own judgment now?  :o

Yes, it's not often that I don't have a clear picture of what I want. I had a really busy day today and no time for playing with the bike - but I'll be out there tomorrow with the cardboard to make patterns. Fortunately no big deal to make up both styles!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 14, 2016, 05:09:19
I think the ovals have it  8)

Only going on the front BTW - I've made up small shaped side panels to cover electrics etc.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20number%20plate%20003_zpsunqb6evo.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20number%20plate%20003_zpsunqb6evo.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20number%20plate%20002_zpsqp5n4zin.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20number%20plate%20002_zpsqp5n4zin.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20number%20plate%20005_zpstbdlpnay.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20number%20plate%20005_zpstbdlpnay.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Dec 14, 2016, 08:41:30
Ovals for sure. That looks correct.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 14, 2016, 09:55:21
Ovals for sure. That looks correct.

Yes - definitely the way to go ............................. only problem is that when I fitted it up on the bike, it LOOKS like it should be a Cafe Racer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Hmmmmm - I have clip-ons, I have my famous 7R race seat - just need the right tank .............no, no, no - have a word with yourself TJ
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Dec 14, 2016, 10:05:40
 :-X  ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 18, 2016, 19:44:50
£20 for a GRP oval plate !!!!!!!! Someone is having a serious laugh !

Anyway, my pal - who is an ace home diy'er - has all the right tools and will cut one out of a piece of 1/4" perspex he just happens to have in his garage !

I know I asked this once before - I'm looking for a suitable flat tracker style font ( 50's / 60's ) - only need a 5 ( 55 - my playing number ).
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 18, 2016, 22:05:04
I'm looking for a suitable flat tracker style font ( 50's / 60's )

Something like these?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: teazer on Dec 19, 2016, 02:03:50
Don't trust your own eyes.  What you are looking at is not what you will end up with...

What am I saying?  What see see in that pictures is a pair of gauges (no bars) and a front plate and with that combo, it looks like a cafe racer or classic racer project.  For a tracker, we need to see the bars.  They dominate the look at the front of a tracker and not the gauges which you may want to reconsider/replace.

Our eyes are drawn to the gauges and what we see is cafe racer.  Try a set of high wide bars and lose the gauges for the moment and look at it again and I think it will look very different.   On the Phat Trakka I used a Trail Tech Vapor because it that unit is very small and hides between the square(ish) number plate and top triple tree (yoke).

Oh and TJ, we all fall for that trick of making a bike look like the ones we built before because they "look right" to us.  They match our patterns of what looks good, so we are drawn there when we swore we were going in a different direction this time.  Old habits and patterns die hard.  Trust the force.  Keep a picture, or ten, of trackers that you like around or on a wall as a visual tool to keep reminding your brain and eyes that this one is going to be different.

On mine, I took an oval plate and trimmed it to change the shape and then heated and bent it.  This isn't a great pic but may give you food for thought.  http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/tz375/media/DSCN1839_zps6dec61a5.jpg.html?o=17

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 19, 2016, 06:55:48
Thanx SC, the Clarendon is close - maybe a bit " italic " would do it.

Teaser, hear what you are saying. However the angle of the pic distorts the emphasis on the top end. The bench was never intended as an assembly station ! Yes, the bars must be right. I have the highest / widest Rental ( copy) bars - and I have to agree, they are still not right.

I currently have an issue with speedo drive - as in they are not currently available for the Grimeca - and were £120 when they were available !! So, I might junk the mini speedo in favour of a small digital unit as you suggest which I can "lose" and then drop the revcounter down to declutter the yokes.

I thank you all for your input.

Nearly forgot - thanx for the picture link.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 19, 2016, 07:27:33
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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 19, 2016, 07:46:43
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Oh yes !!!!!!!!!

Many thanx SC.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 19, 2016, 16:50:59
Let me know if you want it as a larger file, a vector file, or whatever.

Crazy
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 20, 2016, 16:16:00
Thanx Crazy - could you email me a suitable file to my private address? It's easier for me to manipulate pix and traffic from there.

My pal's cutting the oval when he gets back from his Christmas break. I've also located some likely looking bars. The company is only 5 miles from me, but unfortunately they are away for the Christmas holidays. I'll check them out in the new year - it's the same company that markets the TR6 high level exhausts ( both left hand side ), so I can check them out at the same time.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 21, 2016, 06:25:27
Thanx for your input Crazy - files received .

I'm going to drop the Renthal copy bar in place to see what it looks like. I can also relate the measurements to the TR6 bars I've located.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 17, 2017, 16:51:26
Just a slight deviation in the plan !!

Long story short - I got into a "Whatif" frame of mind last week which involved Volvos, Eaton superchargers and looking back on some of my drag race history.

Still not entirely sure how my thoughts came round to the KZ and the spare Eaton blower in my shed.

Anyway, with another lifeline deadline looming ( not my health related BTW! ) and I decided I needed to get the project finished for the Glemseck event in September.

Reality kicked in and I realised that the blower installation with the attendant fab, machining requirements, and outwork made the deadline unrealistic - but a turbo ..........

So that's where I'm at engine wise. The rolling chassis works either way. Maybe the clip-ons I have instead of the Renthal's and maybe an Avon / Metisse half fairing, otherwise the Tarrozi rear sets and seat base work OK. The Grimeca hubbed wheels won't look out of place either !

It's not going to win any races at the 1/8th mile Glemseck Drags, but it's the engineering challenge that's intriguing.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 22, 2017, 10:09:01
So - change of title, change of direction !

See previous post for the reason d'etre. Part of anyway. Bottom line is that there's a slight swerve in the direction. The rolling chassis remains as is - maybe clip-ons and 7R race seat,  oh and that Metisse / Norvil half fairing oh and maybe a 7R style tank .......... But essentially good to go.

Engine is growing a GT15 turbo - blowing through the 40dcoe and manifold I already have.

Is it still a Flat Tracker? Or morphing into a Cafe Racer? Or even a Special !!

There will now be some additional engine work to upgrade the oil supply ( cooler and turbo requirements ) as well as a twin spark plug conversion.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Jan 22, 2017, 10:13:33
So - change of title, change of direction !

See previous post for the reason d'etre. Part of anyway. Bottom line is that there's a slight swerve in the direction. The rolling chassis remains as is - maybe clip-ons and 7R race seat,  oh and that Metisse / Norvil half fairing oh and maybe a 7R style tank .......... But essentially good to go.

Engine is growing a GT15 turbo - blowing through the 40dcoe and manifold I already have.

Is it still a Flat Tracker? Or morphing into a Cafe Racer? Or even a Special !!

There will now be some additional engine work to upgrade the oil supply ( cooler and turbo requirements ) as well as a twin spark plug conversion.

Such enthusiasm!

I didn't care for the round number plate on a tracker anyway  :-X

Looking forward to more updates.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 22, 2017, 16:09:17
Such enthusiasm!

I didn't care for the round number plate on a tracker anyway  :-X

Looking forward to more updates.

Thanx for the encouragement, I' m beginning to get back my previous enthusiasm that had waned in the past 18 months.

This new direction gets me into the engine innards, my favourite place ! It also involves some lateral and intuitive thinking to resolve the inevitable issues I will encounter breaking new ground.

I rigged the GT15 turbo up - perfect, could have been made for the job.

Can't wait to get this puppy finished and fired up. Yep, mojo is back folks.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 22, 2017, 16:53:58
Don't you love it when the plan you didn't ACTUALLY HAVE - WORKS !!

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20from%20old%20pix%20001_zpsh9aetoaz.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20from%20old%20pix%20001_zpsh9aetoaz.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Jan 22, 2017, 23:49:20
Un Escargot  ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 23, 2017, 05:01:16
Looks miniscule alongside my T3........... :o

However a lot of bikers use them over here [ especially the EU ] and apparently they spool up like a "Banshee"  according to der_nanno !!

Packaging couldn't be better / simpler. Cuts down dramatically on fab / machining / favours front. Win, win situation. 8) 

Think I'll have to make some brackets to support the turbo, as the exhaust [ which traditionally supports the unit ] will not be up to the job / marginal. No biggie, just need to build in some flexibility into the mounts - back to the frame.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Jan 23, 2017, 09:56:12
Wonder if and old BSA 650 could.... naaaah never mind




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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 23, 2017, 10:36:16
There were lots of blown ( Shorrock mainly ) BSA and Triumph twins around in my day, mostly on Sprinters ( prior to Dragsters ) but a few did see street duty.

One of my Triumph kneeler outfits ( road ridden ) had a C75B Shorrock blower - that was silly quick but kept eating pistons due to lack of retard at the top end!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 26, 2017, 08:59:18
Moving ahead ............ The head ( boom, boom ) is getting the twin plug treatment next month - courtesy of KK.

Der- Nanno is schooling me in on blowing through the Weber  - all looking good.

In reality the only difference externally is the addition of the turbo to my Weber set up.

I dropped the 7R styled tank from my abandoned "Vindicator" TR1 cafe racer on the frame - doesn't look half bad.

Just need to sort out the auxiliary oil supply for the oil cooler / turbo.

There's a guy that does a reasonably priced Avon Metisse 1/2 fairing ( Ragged Edge racing ) with screen for around £120. We'll see.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Jan 26, 2017, 09:06:26
Love the direction this is going!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: der_nanno on Jan 26, 2017, 09:45:50
Der- Nanno is schooling me in on blowing through the Weber  - all looking good.

Glad I can be of help. Should you run into packaging issues, there's also in-tank fuel pumps, which make the whole plumbing a lot easier... The ones for a Harley Sportster should do the trick in terms of flow. Unfortunately the TR1 fuel tank is too narrow, so I'll have to go for an external one on my old Turbobike.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Jan 26, 2017, 14:05:27
Glad I can be of help. Should you run into packaging issues, there's also in-tank fuel pumps, which make the whole plumbing a lot easier... The ones for a Harley Sportster should do the trick in terms of flow. Unfortunately the TR1 fuel tank is too narrow, so I'll have to go for an external one on my old Turbobike.

Very helpful - grateful thanx.

Maritime - it's amazing how these things develop like they have a mind of their own.

In the past - weird projects were usually fuelled by alcohol !! Seemed like A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME - YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES.

Like the time when I was running a major replica car company [ Sheldonhurst Ltd ] and we all went down the pub in my Citroen CX Estate for a quick lunchtime drink [ 3 hours ].

We needed a pick up for my business - don't really know how it happened - BUT WE DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO CHOP THE CX DOWN INTO A PICK UP !!! By 7.30 I went home in a rudimentary pick up ! It was finished and later became a very good bike transporter.

However, no alcohol involved this time - just the feel good factor of finally getting my health back in order [ 'ish ].

Funds will dictate if it evolves into that 60's style Cafe Racer I wanted to build or not.

And the Drag Racing ???? Been 30 years since I last raced ....................
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 03, 2017, 08:22:06
The turbo project is definitely a goer - thanx to all for your invaluable feedback.

Plan is now for a blow through system using the Garrett GT15 - via the Weber 40DCOE and the manifolds I have already.

My pal KK is sorting out a spare engine and we're doing a barter deal on that to keep costs down !

Now then -  you know the old saying - "a friend in need .......... is a pain in the ass".

Well, I'm in need of some of that help. UK based obviously.

Due to my well known lack of facilities / skills, I need some bits making / welding etc.

There's TWO PROJECTS IN FACT THAT I NEED THIS KIND OF HELP WITH

Happy to pay - not asking for freebies [ mate's rates would be good though ! ], it's just that I'm well out of the loop with local artisans. All the peeps I used  / employed when I had my business are themselves retired -or dead !

Most of the parts I need are small enough to be posted / couriered and simple enough for a sketch / drawing.

There's no immediate rush - just need to get my ducks in a row. 

Odd bits of alloy welding, turning a small adaptor [ alloy ] flange, turbo exhaust flange including support mounts.

There, not too proud to ask for help.

The Cut down Citroen CX estate ................ went to work in an estate car - went home with a pick up !!!

"Le Peek Erp"

Although it didn't get painted for another week.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/img436_zpsfaepdjxy.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/img436_zpsfaepdjxy.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 03, 2017, 09:11:31
I'm sure you'll have no trouble getting those parts knocked out Beach.

Love the Moroso sponsor on that Aussie Citroen, I lined up for my first road race at Moroso West Palm, my leathers fast became a wet suit after standing it up from an inside rub, got the chicken shits and drove it right into the swamp... Was still as fun as anything I've done sense  :P Seems me and taking things with wheels for a swim has been a constant, some day I'll tell you the story about a C10, a curb, 50 feet of chain link fence and how good the headlights work at the bottom of a canal in south Miami  ;D

Turbo  :o
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 12, 2017, 06:11:31
Ended up buying a generic turbo exhaust flange - probably as cheap as getting one made anyway.

Same company fabs the triangular intake [ turbo exhaust ] flange, so I'll probably get one of those as well - still arguing the price !

I have the remains of a wrecked bottom end [ casings ] and damaged barrels coming FOC thanx to Kenny on the Lonesome Twin forum - and I'll use that as the set up mule. Saves humping a complete engine around and no doubt with the accompanying damage to my newly powder coated frame ! ;) He's also loaning me a cylinder head so I can finalise the set up of the Intake / Weber / Turbo

I dropped the modified TR1 tank on  [ ex. Vindicator ] just as a "whatif" - and with a bit of massaging underneath it should fit. That's the 7R / G50 'ish styled tank I was prepping.

Still a bit undecided whether to stick to the Flat Track style, or switch over to 60's Cafe Racer styling. ?  ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 12, 2017, 07:11:12
And here's the pix of the twin plug conversion.

Mine is the next one into the jig !

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/7073_588b3ec2625b7_zpspjschqcx.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/7073_588b3ec2625b7_zpspjschqcx.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/7073_588b3ea975c99_zpssx95pj9m.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/7073_588b3ea975c99_zpssx95pj9m.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 14, 2017, 18:57:21
Cases and head / barrels arrived today. Unfortunately too late to get it all into the shed.

Well, I HAD to unpack it ..... then I HAD to check it out ......... then I thought - hmm might as well just try the manifolds / Weber .............

It'll be in the rolling chassis by the weekend, then I can check out the packaging of the Turbo etc.

I'll just put it on the coffee table while I unpack it and check it out .............

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20009_zpslqzwjexk.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20009_zpslqzwjexk.jpg.html)


Short manifold
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20016_zpsuqiiuule.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20016_zpsuqiiuule.jpg.html)


Long manifold
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20017_zpss5l15gop.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20017_zpss5l15gop.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 14, 2017, 20:17:07
And here's the pix of the twin plug conversion.

Mine is the next one into the jig !

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/7073_588b3ec2625b7_zpspjschqcx.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/7073_588b3ec2625b7_zpspjschqcx.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/7073_588b3ea975c99_zpssx95pj9m.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/7073_588b3ea975c99_zpssx95pj9m.jpg.html)




Man O Man Beach, I had not heard of doing dual plugs on this motor.    Very cool stuff you are doing.   Glad you got the wind back in your sails.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: stroker crazy on Feb 14, 2017, 21:20:18
Good to see it's all happening BC!

Crazy
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Feb 15, 2017, 01:21:23
Nice. Short mani looks very neat.

Also I have the same cabinet. Well built old thing, I keep all my bar ware and booze in it.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 15, 2017, 05:26:12
Nice. Short mani looks very neat.

Also I have the same cabinet. Well built old thing, I keep all my bar ware and booze in it.

Yep, booze / bar ware in the top - magazines and reference books in the bottom !!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Feb 15, 2017, 08:40:56
Nice, love it when I get stuff in the post!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 15, 2017, 13:12:13
So. decided to do the mock up today - shopping can wait !

That meant turning the rolling chassis round 180 degrees .......... and the rolling chassis is longer than the shed is wide. Even with the forks and wheels out it took 30 minutes of manhandling swearing and skinned knuckles to get it done.

Why turn it round ? I need access to the turbo exhaust and mounting.  Still, done now.

So I decided to give the shopping a complete swerve and carry on with the mock up. Actually didn't take that long - however, not terribly impressed with the alignment of various mountings and fixings. Would have been a right mission with a whole engine !  Before I get to it, I'll open out all the various holes / brackets.

Anyway - I'd got the long manifold / Weber mounted up yesterday and tried that first. About 3" too long enough !!!! However the shorter of the two is SPOT on - thanx KK.  I've got room to get the plenum chamber in [ bolted to back of Weber ] and get a decent flow to the carb.

The oil scavenge [ turbo ] is too low and will need a scavenge pump if I am to use the original Breather canister vents.  I'll definitely use one as a breather, and probably take it direct to the exhaust via a one way flame trap [ a la Dragsters ].

Other jobs that need attention. ..... A support bracket for the Weber from the head. support bracket for the turbo. Exhaust in and out looks straightforward.  Even the main exhaust doesn't look too bad now I've bolted the Ex. stubs up [ thanx Hoggy ]

Shopping ..... who needs milk, bread, meat etc. anyway

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20008_zpspdez9nlm.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20008_zpspdez9nlm.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20014_zpskz9uogpy.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20014_zpskz9uogpy.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20017_zpsk3f1wyyg.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20017_zpsk3f1wyyg.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20018_zpssmgi1ufp.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20018_zpssmgi1ufp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 15, 2017, 13:18:55

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20008_zpspdez9nlm.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2015th%20008_zpspdez9nlm.jpg.html)






Beach, tell me about that jagged looking hole where the oil filter goes?  Please forgive me if I missed something already. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Feb 15, 2017, 13:20:19
Those are old cases he got to do mock up. his motor is good.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 15, 2017, 14:33:52
CC, Maritime has it spot on. The wrecked bottom end was donated by a fellow Lonesome Twin ( KZ750 ) forum member. He bought the bike, and when he got it home discovered the motor was totally grenaded !! Looked like (to me) a rod bolt came undone and the rod flailed around taking lumps of engine casing and other parts with it !

He loaned me in the same deal the undamaged head and barrels with lump out of one liner so I can get the mock up going.

As well as my original engine, I've done a deal with the LT forum originator ( KK ) for another excellent engine. That's the one that's getting the twin plug treatment.

The engine's are truly bulletproof, massively over engineered - which is just as well given the plans for it !

Don't forget I still need a couple of NOS foggers ...........
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 15, 2017, 16:42:11
CC, Maritime has it spot on. The wrecked bottom end was donated by a fellow Lonesome Twin ( KZ750 ) forum member. He bought the bike, and when he got it home discovered the motor was totally grenaded !! Looked like (to me) a rod bolt came undone and the rod flailed around taking lumps of engine casing and other parts with it !

He loaned me in the same deal the undamaged head and barrels with lump out of one liner so I can get the mock up going.

As well as my original engine, I've done a deal with the LT forum originator ( KK ) for another excellent engine. That's the one that's getting the twin plug treatment.

The engine's are truly bulletproof, massively over engineered - which is just as well given the plans for it !

Don't forget I still need a couple of NOS foggers ...........




Ah, that makes sense.   I figured something like that but was in a hurry and didn't read enough, my bad.  I have two of these motors for my build just in case.  Neither will be as ambitious as yours.  I always forget about the lonesome twin site.  I should probably try to get a login over there and check it out again.   
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 16, 2017, 06:04:20



Ah, that makes sense.   I figured something like that but was in a hurry and didn't read enough, my bad.  I have two of these motors for my build just in case.  Neither will be as ambitious as yours.  I always forget about the lonesome twin site.  I should probably try to get a login over there and check it out again.   

Hell yes - not a busy site, but plenty of knowledgeable peeps and one guy ( Kaptain Kwak ) has a huge stash of NOS and used parts. C'mon over cuz.

Originally my plan was to use the Weber 40dcoe, purely as a road bike ............ However, my past life involved tuning, building, developing race and road V8s - mainly for Drag Racing, so it didn't take long to persuade myself to take the motor a little further!

The KZ750 was never a popular bike in the UK, so they're pretty rare on the road - and even more so as a basis for a Cafe Racer / special.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 16, 2017, 08:26:04
Wonder what the "hole" can be if it runs so well  ???

https://omaha.craigslist.org/mcy/6005070483.html
(https://images.craigslist.org/00Z0Z_l7m6r2uCawk_600x450.jpg)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 16, 2017, 09:46:58
When the PO bought his bike he was told it was running OK!

He couldn't get it started so decided to pull the head. That's when he found the mayhem inside.  He now has a new engine and has donated the wrecked casings to me to use as a mock up mule.

My "excellent" engine is coming from another forum member.  AND I still have my original engine, which is also in excellent condition.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 16, 2017, 10:19:50
I may inquire and it's a short ride to see so for $500 "ask" I may find out if it's grenaded or just something simple, these are getting some attention and I may be able to flip it and have a little fun tinkering 🤠


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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 16, 2017, 13:13:03
I may inquire and it's a short ride to see so for $500 "ask" I may find out if it's grenaded or just something simple, these are getting some attention and I may be able to flip it and have a little fun tinkering 🤠


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Wow, that's a steal ............. At least £1500 in the UK !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Nebr_Rex on Feb 16, 2017, 22:00:41
Wonder what the "hole" can be if it runs so well  ???

https://omaha.craigslist.org/mcy/6005070483.html
(https://images.craigslist.org/00Z0Z_l7m6r2uCawk_600x450.jpg)

I wonder who would put a KZ400 lump in a KZ750b chassis?


Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 20, 2017, 05:19:51
The bright sunshine and 10 degree + weather that greeted me Sunday morning was an encouragement to get in the shed and do some of the mundane measuring and generally talking to myself [ I'm a good listener ].

The TR1 "Vindicator" tank is a no go as it will require virtually starting again.  :'(

That leaves me with a bit of a styling dilemma - stick to the current Flat Tracker look - or full on 60's style Cafe Racer. Apart from the tank - I have all the relevant bits and now there's something of a competitive element creeping in - maybe clip ons would be better ! Also - I deeply regret having to part with the Vindicator project - that WAS going to be my own particular swansong  tribute to my youth, so another sixties styled and influenced Cafe Racer might be appropriate. Fortunately I have all the other parts either already fitted [ Tarrozi rear sets ] or on the shelf - the famous 7R seat and some ace EARLY Tarozzi clip ins. That just leaves the tank - has to be 7R / G50 style - maybe Metisse. 8)

I've drawn up the schematics for the proposed oil cooler / turbo oil supply and I even tripped over a box of unused stainless hoses and anodised alloy fittings left over from my car manufacturing days. That'll hopefully save me a few pennies. There is also a box of  NOS fittings and solenoids SOMEWHERE left over from my Drag Racing days - but I suspect they have gone AWOL over the years.

I also had a final think about spacers etc for the Grimeca front wheel and spoked XS500 rear. I'm pretty happy I've come up with a simple solution which will mean the very minimum of outwork for my long suffering mates !   ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 20, 2017, 06:23:44



Ah, that makes sense.   I figured something like that but was in a hurry and didn't read enough, my bad.  I have two of these motors for my build just in case.  Neither will be as ambitious as yours.  I always forget about the lonesome twin site.  I should probably try to get a login over there and check it out again.   

Hey CC,,

you might have let me into your thread link !!!!!!!

After reading about your 2 engines I decided to have a trawl through to find if there was more info ......... and there is.

Just found your build thread .......... lots of useful info / pix. I'll be dropping in on a regular basis now!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 20, 2017, 15:32:58
I emailed the admin for lonesome twins.  He replied but I'm still waiting on him for site access. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 20, 2017, 17:07:14
I emailed the admin for lonesome twins.  He replied but I'm still waiting on him for site access. 

I'll drop him a mail tonight.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 21, 2017, 06:32:03
Trial fitted the rocker box from my original engine to get an idea of how much space I might [ or might not ] have. The coils will not be living in their normal place above the engine - so I'll be ditching the top " plates" in favour of a rod end [ Rose joint ] stay. The fuel pump might find it's way into that space.

Need to do a bit of swift EBay selling to get Dyna coils, fuel pressure sensors, etc., etc.


(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2020th%20002_zpso9p0qz9z.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%2020th%20002_zpso9p0qz9z.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%20205th%20003_zpswbpxcxu9.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/kz%20mule%20set%20up%20feb%20205th%20003_zpswbpxcxu9.jpg.html)

PIGGY BACK OIL PUMP DESIGNED AND BUILT BY CHRISLWG OVER ON THE LONESOME TWIN [ KZ750 FORUM ].

I need to make something like this to feed oil cooler / turbo.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/DSCN0970_zps3vrmbltv.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/DSCN0970_zps3vrmbltv.jpg.html)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/DSCN0963_zpssyoz94zf.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/DSCN0963_zpssyoz94zf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 21, 2017, 08:13:39
Out of the box suggestions but. Can you build a stand alone oil system for the snail? A quart size tank a small cooler (adding an additional quart) maybe run a belt driven pump nested in an extended cover over the oil filter housing? Big idea but maybe scratch it on paper???


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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Feb 21, 2017, 12:08:29
Trial fitted the rocker box from my original engine to get an idea of how much space I might [ or might not ] have. The coils will not be living in their normal place above the engine - so I'll be ditching the top " plates" in favour of a rod end [ Rose joint ] stay. The fuel pump might find it's way into that space.

Need to do a bit of swift EBay selling to get Dyna coils, fuel pressure sensors, etc., etc.






PIGGY BACK OIL PUMP DESIGNED AND BUILT BY CHRISLWG OVER ON THE LONESOME TWIN [ KZ750 FORUM ].

I need to make something like this to feed oil cooler / turbo.

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/DSCN0970_zps3vrmbltv.jpg) (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/manfredvonheyda/media/DSCN0970_zps3vrmbltv.jpg.html)






Man, this really grabbed my attention.  I've been wondering how to do an external oil cooler setup on these motors.  I'm still waiting on the admin at lonesome twins.  I emailed him back last night.   I'd like to read up on the details of this mod.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: teazer on Feb 21, 2017, 14:01:45
TJ, just a thought, I have had cafe racers and vintage racers for decades and I keep thinking I should build one last perfect one - just like you.  So I built a Dunstall GT750 and it's gorgeous and now it's finally almost done, I can't wait to get rid of it and do something different.  It's a beautiful bike, but actually not what I want.

I find that trying something different is way more fun and a street tracker is probably the best custom bike to build and ride.  The more relaxed riding position is just more fun because it's more practical.  I love clipons etc on the race track but I'm over that look for the street.

If it were mine, I'd make it into something unique and by definition different and a US styled 750 twin tracker type bike may hit those buttons for you too.

The bright sunshine and 10 degree + weather that greeted me Sunday morning was an encouragement to get in the shed and do some of the mundane measuring and generally talking to myself [ I'm a good listener ].

The TR1 "Vindicator" tank is a no go as it will require virtually starting again.  :'(

That leaves me with a bit of a styling dilemma - stick to the current Flat Tracker look - or full on 60's style Cafe Racer. Apart from the tank - I have all the relevant bits and now there's something of a competitive element creeping in - maybe clip ons would be better ! Also - I deeply regret having to part with the Vindicator project - that WAS going to be my own particular swansong  tribute to my youth, so another sixties styled and influenced Cafe Racer might be appropriate. Fortunately I have all the other parts either already fitted [ Tarrozi rear sets ] or on the shelf - the famous 7R seat and some ace EARLY Tarozzi clip ins. That just leaves the tank - has to be 7R / G50 style - maybe Metisse. 8)

I've drawn up the schematics for the proposed oil cooler / turbo oil supply and I even tripped over a box of unused stainless hoses and anodised alloy fittings left over from my car manufacturing days. That'll hopefully save me a few pennies. There is also a box of  NOS fittings and solenoids SOMEWHERE left over from my Drag Racing days - but I suspect they have gone AWOL over the years.

I also had a final think about spacers etc for the Grimeca front wheel and spoked XS500 rear. I'm pretty happy I've come up with a simple solution which will mean the very minimum of outwork for my long suffering mates !   ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 21, 2017, 16:17:15
TAF - everything is still on the table ! A Honda mini bike external (?) pump has been suggested. Whatever I go with - I have to outsource the work which means keeping it as simple as possible to keep costs down.

CC - yes some good stuff on the LT forum. Like I said I spoke with KK on the phone last night and he is looking out for your mail. This conversion has had some hard use (865cc) for many miles with no issues.

Teazer - I really do have a dilemma here ! You know my roots, and when I had to sell off the Vindicator I was gutted. So, does this bike become my swansong Cafe Racer, or do I stick with "something different"??

AND like you say, ( especially at 3 score and 13 ) maybe high bars makes sense for a road bike. That said, the project seems to be taking a competition direction - all on it's own!

In an ideal World I'd probably get a second KZ and have one of each style !

Fortunately the rolling chassis is at a point where swapping one style for another is simples. I have 7R and Flat Track seat, Tarrozi rearsets already fitted and I have early Tarrozi clip ons AND F/T bars !

Only the tank needs sorting styling wise.

Decisions, decisions........ Fortunately none of the above affects the mechanical build. 8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: doc_rot on Feb 21, 2017, 18:20:38
interesting setup on that extra pump oil cooler lines. I have a friend making me a billet oil filter cover that will allow the use of an oil cooler on my 750. always interesting to see how different people solve the same problem.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Nebr_Rex on Feb 21, 2017, 23:09:36
always interesting to see how different people solve the same problem.

And that's what makes the world go round. ;D


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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 22, 2017, 05:45:00
interesting setup on that extra pump oil cooler lines. I have a friend making me a billet oil filter cover that will allow the use of an oil cooler on my 750. always interesting to see how different people solve the same problem.

It's a simple and practical solution on this particular engine - and keeps everything inside !  The reason I like this solution is that it takes no oil away from the OEM system. Additionally the turbo oiling requirements are completely opposite to a roller bearing bottom end - ie high pressure low volume. That in turn would mean selecting the oil pressure relief valve spring to suit. The only addition I would make is some sort of vertical baffle between the two pick ups to avoid the possibility of cavitation.

There must be hundreds of compact bike / car oil pumps out there suitable for the job !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 23, 2017, 08:35:04
I think the late night trawling of E Bay has come up trumps - maybe.

Came across this little baby which LOOKS to be OK size wise.

From a 2008 - 2010 Suzuki GSXR 600.

I need the measurement for the overall clearance to the sump base. As in the pic of the conversion by Chris LWG. IE from where he has mounted the pump base to the bottom of the oil strainer / sump base.

The rotation of the pump is irrelevant as it can be driven from either end.

These pumps are relatively inexpensive and if they will do the job - will mean minimal extra fab work.

Could be driven externally as the inlet / outlet bosses could be rigged up for hoses.

I think the late night trawling of E Bay has come up trumps - maybe.

O/A length is 165mm

O/A height 70mm

Height to c/l of pump drive 30mm.
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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 23, 2017, 09:58:30
This is the simple way my friend



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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 23, 2017, 10:43:28
TAF - thanx for the headsup - planning on using one for the turbo scavenge. I've found a Chinabay version for £50.

A bit nervous about using one for oil delivery, however you are quite right - that would mean ALL my oiling requirements would be solved for £100 'ish and no need for me to get parts made out.

I'll check the specs for the different pumps - over 30 variants available !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 23, 2017, 10:49:09
TAF - thanx for the headsup - planning on using one for the turbo scavenge. I've found a Chinabay version for £50.

A bit nervous about using one for oil delivery, however you are quite right - that would mean ALL my oiling requirements would be solved for £100 'ish and no need for me to get parts made out.

I'll check the specs for the different pumps - over 30 variants available !

Just be cautious of anything shipping from Beijing the good tooling is all in Guangzhou and Shenzhen.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Tune-A-Fishİ on Feb 23, 2017, 10:52:41
Also, you would serve yourself well to take the whole lot to a qualified electric tool repair shop to have the motor checked over for QA purposes. Chances are they have seen the guts before.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Feb 23, 2017, 11:05:25
Just be cautious of anything shipping from Beijing the good tooling is all in Guangzhou and Shenzhen.

+ 1 to this. I have audited many factories over there and all my good suppliers were in one of those two regions. I was buying alloy extrusions and electric components for HRV's circuit boards, electric motors etc.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 23, 2017, 13:29:23
Timely advice - thanx.

I found one supplier from Shenzhen - price £50 including carriage ! How do they do it?

I'll definitely use one for the turbo oil scavenge. Unfortunately it looks like the turbo oil return feed is going to be too low to rely on gravity - futtox.

I've mailed the supplier to see if they can specify the delivery pressure ( for the oil cooler / turbo ) as that's pretty critical for turbo life.

I've pulled the trigger on the GSXR 600 pump - only £15 ! If it's not going to work, a pal will have it off me for one of his car projects ( diff oil cooler ).

It's only the dimension to the pump drive centerline which is critical for internal fitting. Maybe !!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 24, 2017, 08:19:23
UK Mark ....... thanx mate - finally getting round to using your heat shield !!

All my random bends arriving Monday - hopefully there'll be enough to do a good job [ not ME BTW ! ]

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Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: UK Mark on Feb 25, 2017, 09:59:57
Hey, you're welcome.  Glad to see it put to good use. 

If you braze or weld nuts onto the pipe you have, that's how I fitted Mk 2 version on mine.  That helped set it away from the pipe just right to get a decent air gap.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 26, 2017, 07:25:57
Hey, you're welcome.  Glad to see it put to good use. 

If you braze or weld nuts onto the pipe you have, that's how I fitted Mk 2 version on mine.  That helped set it away from the pipe just right to get a decent air gap.

Thanx Mark - be proud to use it

So, while the "dry sump" idea was rattling around in my head, I thought I'd do a bit more research.

Then it struck me - how do peeps get on turbo'ing a two stroke with NO oil sump ???

Up into my "library" in the loft and I sorted out an old USA volume on turbocharging.

And -result, there's a chapter devoted to 2 stroke turbos - AND more importantly, the dry sump oil solution !!

So I'm not reinventing the wheel, just refining it. At least there's a precedent for what I'm planning.

That does now seem the obvious ( and simple ) way to go.

I need to devise a drive for the Gixer oil pump ( probably the points side ). The alternator side would be better, but would require an oil seal. We'll see.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 27, 2017, 07:20:09
Overthinking this - the answer is yes . ::) ::)

Always erring on the side of caution as I have all my design and manufacturing life, I was concerned that there might not be enough capacity from the stock pump output / oil reservoir.

However now I have the relevant figures to hand - 48 psi @ 4000rpm @ 90 degrees c.

However the important figure is the psi at which the bye pass opens, which is 57 psi AND the pump is capable of putting out more than 75 psi, which is the pressure the relief valve opens.

With a stock capacity of 4 ltrs. I would want to increase that by maybe 25%, which just happens to be the capacity of the oil cooler I have just found in my garage ! ;D

So, being kept awake most of the night with the remnants of this flu like lurgi [ 4 weeks now ], I had plenty of time to think about options - better than counting sheep. ;)

I am now looking at the following scenario - mechanical [ Gixer ] oil pump externally driven from the points side feeding direct the oil cooler with a tee off to the turbo, and returning the oil via one of the breather holes [ inside the breather tower ].

That still leaves the oil return from the turbo, which will probably go to a 1.5 ltr reservoir and then back to the crankcase. An alternative would be to double the input to the pump - one the feed from the sump, the other the turbo oil return. That means I don't need a separate scavenge pump.

I'll be doing a schematic in the next 48 hours to convince myself or not - and I'll post up the results.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Feb 28, 2017, 10:27:46
Bonus with the Gixer oil pump.

It arrived today. I did not know - but it has TWO feeds - one is high volume for oil cooling [ internal ] and the other is high pressure for the main engine bearings etc. This is for the patented Suzuki SCAS oil cooled system.

What are the chances of that being EXACTLY what I need ! Oil cooler AND turbo supply - happy.

I just have to devise [ and get made ! ] a drive from the points central bolt.

I have a plan to mount the pump AND oil cooler under the sump - with protection of course.

The pump has plenty of output for my needs - and even a scavenge for the Turbo oil return. It looks like this system could easily be adapted and retrofitted to stock bikes [ non-turbo of course! ]
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Feb 28, 2017, 18:38:17
What a score with that pump working out just how you needed it. I love it when a plan comes together.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 01, 2017, 06:43:56
What a score with that pump working out just how you needed it. I love it when a plan comes together.

Brodie - this project is growing legs all on it's own ! Seems every which way I decide to go, the bike gods are smiling on me !

I looked at several pumps - both car and bike, but the guys selling the Gixer pump I bought were the only ones who could be arsed to take measurements for me ! They also threw in some extra discount [ postage ] when I told them what the project was all about. Some nice peeps out there. BTW - pump was £18 delivered.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 02, 2017, 13:48:08
So - none of the Suzuki experts could tell me the direction of rotation of the pump !!!

After some head scratching, I jury rigged some hose from the intake into a jar of petrol [ don't try this at home kiddies ] and spun the spindle end with my power drill using the chuck tightened on the spindle !

Well, I can confirm that the pump is very efficient ! A litre of petrol was sprayed over the shed - and me, in very short order.  ::)

However, I did manage to confirm that the pump rotates clockwise from the sprocket end - making my installation that much easier. ;D
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 03, 2017, 05:43:57
Well actually  - it doesn't ............... I ASSUMED that the KZ [ like 90% of ICE engines ]runs clockwise viewed from the right. Or like most car engines clockwise viewed from the front !!

Thanx to Carsten over on the German KZ750 site for pointing out the error of my thinking !! It actually runs counterclockwise.  :-[ Fiendish Japanese. >:(

Here is my excuse [ apart from a lifelong experience of clockwise rotating engines ! ] - apart from a 20 minute ride on a pal's bike, I have no experience of a living, breathing engine. My engine has been dead on the bench since I bought the project 6 years ago and to date - I have never even looked inside ! ::)

Oh yes, my BMW Kay engines ran counterclockwise.

It would have become obvious when my new OEM workshop manual arrives next week, but Carsten has saved me a whole lot of trouble with my pump - even though it is easily remedied.

In fact, driving from the alternator side makes the packaging / installation a lot more simple, apart from a suitable oil seal.

So - suitably embarrassed at my own lack of knowledge - public thanx to Carsten.  ;)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Maritime on Mar 03, 2017, 10:32:09
That's what we are all here for, keep each other from screwing up more than necessary LOL.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 03, 2017, 13:14:52
That's what we are all here for, keep each other from screwing up more than necessary LOL.

I need all the help I can get !!!
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Mar 03, 2017, 18:16:49
Haha had to laugh about the pump test. I have been in a few situations like that.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 04, 2017, 14:30:18
I hope this now starts to make sense.   Rolleyes

Drive will be taken from alternator centre screw, but will require an oil seal on the cover plate - maybe a new plate ?

I was going to get a sump made for the turbo oil return [ quote £55 ]-  then came across this on Chinabay - £25 delivered ! Fits in perfectly under swingarm [ behind engine ] and is 2 litres capacity - ideal.

I might move the oil pump forward to just above the oil filter housing - just depends on the hosing routes.

I was looking at modifying the oil cooler I found in my garage.  The Fittings are £15 - a NEW cooler WITH fittings from Chinabay £18 !

Decided to upgrade to the cooler with swivel 10 AN hose fittings .......... £29.00  !! Hose fittings alone in the UK £37.00

Schematic for oiling system now roughly sketched and just waiting for my approval !  Wink
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 07, 2017, 06:15:48
And here is the rough schematic [ auxiliary system only ].

The Gixer pump is shown here externally mounted, but when I open the motor up, I will be able to see if there's room to mount it inside - similar to ChrisLWG's conversion.

Remember the sketch is schematic layout - the oil cooler will live underneath the engine and provide an additional 1 ltr of oil. Oh yes, and the turbo oil sump is NOT filled with oil, simply acts as a reservoir for the returning turbo oil.

I managed to sell my spare V6 Volvo engine and 3 x gearboxes last weekend. That frees up much needed space in my garage - and some fighting funds for the project.  8)

That means I can now clear a path to my bike stand, and more importantly - the KZ engine that 's been sat on it for 12 months !

Then it's sump and side covers off so I can at last get a good look inside. MY OEM WORKSHOP MANUAL ARRIVES TODAY / TOMORROW -  so no excuses now about what's what and how it functions.  ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 07, 2017, 16:52:23
Nice progress Beach!   Fighting for space is one of my battles as well.   I like the sketch, really helps visualize your plan. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 08, 2017, 07:13:17
CC,

It will be much simpler / neater IF there is room inside AND I can get direct drive alignment from the OEM pump drive wheel. Hopefully I can get my original engine opened up in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 09, 2017, 05:41:24
Just so I have all my options to hand after I get the motor opened up, I pulled the trigger on this little [ not so little ! ] gem from Chinabay.

Just under £50 delivered [ FOUR days ! ] it looks very well made and comes from the preferred provinces !

What isn't obvious from the pix is the fact it's very substantial - ie - a big fucka !  :o

Around 4 lbs weight and about the size of a KZ starter motor.

So now I can contemplate several options depending on if there is room inside the crankcases for the Gixer pump. I hope so - as I now have THREE of them [ don't ask ]. ::)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 09, 2017, 12:19:21
I'm asking..   ;)     three pumps?
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 09, 2017, 14:16:29
I'm asking..   ;)     three pumps?

CC,

You know how it goes when you are bidding on several items ????? !!!!!!!

That's how I got 2 of them. The third one ? At £8 including the drive wheel and relief valve - no brainer. Especially as another supplier wanted £20 for those two items on their own.

All 3 are in excellent condition - at least I have plenty of spars now !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: Brodie on Mar 09, 2017, 18:53:21
Well if you can get it to work easy enough you could sell the other 2 with instructions as a kit.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 10, 2017, 05:18:20
Well if you can get it to work easy enough you could sell the other 2 with instructions as a kit.

Already got enquiries on that front !
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 11, 2017, 14:46:22
This is what £18 gets you from Chinabay !  8)

SUPERB quality - complete with it's own foam case.

Definitely erring towards the Gixer pump now. Hoping there's room inside, if not -  it's an external setup.

A few more bits from Chinabay and I can start laying the parts out for a proper look see.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 11, 2017, 22:54:48
Nice cooler.  Nice to know the quality on those seems good too. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 12, 2017, 05:43:31
Nice cooler.  Nice to know the quality on those seems good too. 

My pal just bought a similar item for his Husky race bike from a "leading well known UK supplier" - quite frankly the finish was BETTER on the Chinabay item. I paid £18 delivered to my door - he paid £45 for the rad with NO FITTINGS. And that wasn't as a "genuine" Husky part [ £75 ! ].

Of course at the moment I have no idea if it will perform the same, worse, better ...... but just looking at the quality of the component parts, welding etc. it would be hard to imagine it won't at least be as good.

And again - thanx to headsups from you guys, mine came from 1 of the "preferred" provinces.

On a similar score - I am a lifetime practitioner [ now lapsed ] of Kendo [ 1st Dan ] - but have recently taken up the study of Mugai Ryu - Japanese sword Zen meditation / swordplay. I still have several of my swords used for the Katas involved in Kendo - but I only have one with a "live" blade.

So back to Chinabay - and I now have a beautifully made sword for the cutting part of the Mugai Ryu practice ........... £125 delivered - £450 bought from a specialised UK outlet !

The sword is made in China for a Japanese company to their standards and then shipped to France for delivery to the UK. !

At the moment [ until Brexit ? ] that means no duty and no VAT [ 20% ].
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 12, 2017, 18:57:17
Show us the swords Beach!. 
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 13, 2017, 06:44:04
CC,

here's some of them - 2 are away for sharpening / polishing.

The "Black on Black" is the new addition.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 13, 2017, 07:59:54
Slight terminal inexactitude on the price of the cooler    :-[ - I forgot I upgraded to swivel fittings £29.00 delivered. 8)

I think I've located a suitable remote oil pressure relief valve [ turbo supply ]. The Gixer pump puts out 55 psi before the bye-pass opens - I only need 35 'ish for the turbo supply otherwise seals will suffer.

The Aussie one is  £169 + carriage [ £20 ]

Take a look at the very similar layout of the Mercedes 420 version - £28 !!!!

A supplier in Birmingham [ UK ! ] has them in stock. Only 15 miles away so I plan to call in and have a good look at one.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 13, 2017, 12:02:01
CC,

here's some of them - 2 are away for sharpening / polishing.

The "Black on Black" is the new addition.


Very very cool collection sir.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 20, 2017, 05:56:41
Parts arriving thick and fast now !  ;D

I missed out on a late V7 petrol tank that would have fitted in very nicely with the overall image in my brain - however, the seller couldn't confirm it would be ethanol fuel enriched proof. It's "chromed" abs plastic [ 'ish ]. So it's back to a tank "cover" as a plan "A".

However, I now have most of the parts I need to mock up the turbo, oil cooler and hoses. The Merc 420 oil pressure relief valve arrives today.

Still looking for a couple of secondhand / cheap Nitrous Foggers ????

I should also have the dimensions for the top half fairing later today to see if that's viable.

At this stage I can swap between styles easily [ tank, seat, bars ] as all the other parts are common to both styles [ Grimeca Alloys, rearsets ].

I KNOW some of you guys are pretty turbo savvy .................... what's a good method  for fuel pressure requirements ? - a pressure switch of some kind I'm guessing.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 20, 2017, 19:56:21
SO THE INTERNAL PUMP LOCATION IS A NON STARTER !!!!  :'(

OK, plan B .... The external location driven from the end of the alternator screw is definitely a goer.  ;D

Even sorted out the drive - thanx to Kenny and the loan of more bits ! So I looked at the end of the Gixer pump and thought - "use the end with the spindle / cog". Simply [ ha, ha ] bolt the Gixer end housing to the KZ cover plate [ or make one ] and I have a simple solution to the drive issue.

Yep that works a treat. Gives me a housing with bearing / seal - simple bolt on, and has the advantage of using the Gixer drive chain. It simplifies my " can you make that for me please mister" list as well. "All" I need is the OEM Gixer drive spindle shortening and a slot machined in the alternator screw for the drive.  Not quite as simple as that - but nearly so. Just as well I have THREE Gixer pumps. The other benefit is that the drive ratio [ 1:1 ] is as the OEM Gixer drive.

Both of the pressure relief valves are a no go ..ballderdollox. Good news - found a remote fully adjustable unit on Chinabay  - £14.00 delivered. Brings new meaning to "Chinese Take Away ".

Major session in the shed today. Once the pump location was sorted, a lot of the other packaging fell into place. By moving [ oh futtox ] the carefully laid out and constructed under seat electrics and tray  ::) I can move the turbo up and back sufficiently to get a gravity return to the sump of the turbo oil - that also means I don't need a scavenge pump - or remote sump. Might bring a new meaning to the phrase "roasted nuts"  :o............... need a good source of heat protection !

That location also simplifies the hoses and fittings [ and the cost ! ]

Pulled the pin on the Norvil half fairing and tinted screen, and I'm 99% certain about the Manx tank cover. Definitely morphing into that Sixties Cafe Racer I had in mind !!

Looking really positive ................. oh yes and my 3 monthly assessment came back - meds doing their job and STILL stabilised.  8)
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: canyoncarver on Mar 20, 2017, 22:07:46
Good news on the meds!.    I've been looking for a flexible heatshield blanket type material for my yzf project.  Would something like this work for you?


https://www.mcmaster.com/#thermal-insulation/=16ud6gr (https://www.mcmaster.com/#thermal-insulation/=16ud6gr)


https://www.mcmaster.com/#9160K4


Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: teazer on Mar 21, 2017, 00:44:13
Great news on the health.  Nice AVON/Rickman top half fairing. First fairing mold I ever made was off one of those that I had fitted to a DB32.
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: der_nanno on Mar 21, 2017, 04:21:30
Regarding that V7-tank, if the Guzzi V7 is sold in Brazil, it's Ethanol-proof. (As long as the fuel tanks have the same spare part number!) They run corn-juice in everything. It's also the trick to get proper Ethanol-proof FI/carb parts for cars, straight from the manufacturer.

Cheers,
Greg
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 21, 2017, 06:17:24
CC - the turbo will now be close to the underside of the seat ! [ Hence "Roasted nuts"]. I can get away with some sort of heat deflector - as in flat / shaped sheet. And maybe some sort of flexible heat insulator under the seat upholstery as a back up.

Teazer - I looked at the original style Avon / Metisse - the one with the perspex bubble on the front. There's a few variants available now, but as I will not be running lights I decided on the Norvil version with no headlight aperture. In the end I went with Sforza Racing's offering - I've had stuff from them before - good quality and inexpensive. They'll even pre-drill and fit the screen - save me cracking it !

Greg - had I known that when I was bidding I would have gone higher, but the seller didn't get back to me when I asked the question. It was crazed all over the "chrome" covering but was otherwise as new. In the end it went for over double my bid - £155.00

This is the actual fairing £58 + screen [ without aperture ].
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 21, 2017, 07:09:39
£14.-- [ delivered ] from Chinabay.

The 4 fittings in the UK would come to £16.+
Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: teazer on Mar 21, 2017, 11:22:49
That fairing is the Norvil Commando Production racer style.  Nice.  Similar shape to a Dunstall top half. That was so cheap though.  Nice pile of parts starting to come in.

Title: Re: "Tangerine Dream" / Glemseck - KZ750
Post by: beachcomber on Mar 21, 2017, 11:58:16
Teazer - Not entirely sure why it's so cheap !!! It's half the price of his other similar fairings. Maybe he made too many ! I've had stuff from him before, so I know quality is OK. 8)

So - update on progress.

Just to clarify [ I hope ] my thinking on the Gixer externally driven pump - here's some pix. Bit of imagination required !  ;)

First - the general layout - the Gixer end housing will bolt to / through the small circular alternator cover, giving me access to the alternator fixing screw which will require a slot to take the spade end of the Gixer spindle [ shortened to suit ]. That gives me both a bearing and seal for the drive. That in turn will allow me to use the stock Gixer drive sprocket and chain.

Finally the pump itself will have weld bung AN fittings welded in place.

While I was out there freezing - I decided to have a rough POC on the exhaust system using some random bends and a 2>1 collector I'd bought.

Again - imagination required - as it will be on the other side [ probably ]. As it's a real mission to turn the bike round now, I decided to go ahead on the side I had access to ! I can see with very few mods - it's definitely a goer. Unfortunately not with my welding  ::) Nothing has been cut or modified yet - and already it almost falls into place. Someone's smiling down on me. This side would probably "look good", but there's too much going on in that area with the pump, hoses, turbo etc. Although it would give me a better line into the turbo housing.  At some point in the near future I have to get the rolling chassis off the bench and onto my bike lift !!