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Offline dinofour

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>Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« on: Aug 31, 2016, 15:30:48 »
Hello Everyone!

My name is Rob, and i am the proprietor of Dinosaur Four Motorcycle Services. I am posting to let fellow cycle enthusiasts know of a scam artist named Peter Muller, associated with FederalMoto US. He contacted me last year, to build a custom cycle for him / teach him how to build. He brought his cycle over and I instructed him over the course of 14 months (based on his time available) and completed his cycle. A week before pickup, still waiting for payment, i had an acute arthritis attack in my spine, and was hobbled, i called and asked for payment, and he said he was coming over to pay, and showed up with no money, begged me to let him put it in a show, and he would bring it right back, promising on our friendship, blah blah blah, manipulating and finally strong armed me. He took it and never paid, he owes me $11,650.

He is a greedy scam artist, manipulative and dishonorable and not to be trusted.

Here is a picture of his bike in my shop, a showroom quality build i am very proud of. (dude in pic is scumbag Peter Muller)

Thank for listening!
Rob G.
Dinosaur Four Motorcycle Services
Chicagoland area

Offline teazer

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Re: >Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« Reply #1 on: Aug 31, 2016, 17:22:44 »
What am I missing here?  I did a quick search and found Federal Moto US and the Muller brothers and it looks as if they create custom bikes. Do they really just outsource all their work to other shops to execute or are they kosher?  I have no idea.  Just doing a quick search on line.

I have not heard of either FM US or Dino 4s so I'm guessing they are both small shops.  It looks like Federal Moto used to be called PowderMonkees but there are no physical location details on their website so who knows  what is going on here.  Peter Muller's Linkedin page says he works as an industrial designer for Wrigley as a full time gig and has a hand in Federal/powdermonkees part time.  Doesn't all make a lot of sense so far.

Maybe he'd like to tell his side of the story.

Or maybe this thread should be deleted until there's some sort of clarity.

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Re: >Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« Reply #2 on: Aug 31, 2016, 17:34:31 »

Or maybe this thread should be deleted until there's some sort of clarity.

seems like a good idea. dinofour has one post. signing up just to trash a guy doesn't seem like what this place is about
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 01, 2016, 02:05:30 »
                  I met Mike Muller when he was doing powdercoating as Powdermonkees, I had built at least 5 - 8 custom bikes for him during that time, which he posted online and got some fame from them, and then decided to start a custom motorcycle shop based on the bikes i built for him (federal moto caught wind and offered them a US side backing), never having turned a wrench before that previous year, he is in insurance, desk jockey. Mike Muller is a nice guy, and has always paid me for my services, but always taken credit for my work.

 His Brother however, was dishonorable to me. I was friends with Peter until this happened. I am not here to trash talk, just tell the truth as i see it. I asked his friends and family what i should do, they all said "go to the forums and spread the truth!" so that is what i am doing, and if my post saves even one person from being scammed by this guy, it was worth it. I posted on about 15 other forums, not hiding my identity, and sent links to all of them to him inviting him to defend himself.

thank you for reading,

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Re: >Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« Reply #4 on: Sep 01, 2016, 10:46:21 »
This is no way to resolve an issue like this. We have courts for this. You're a poor businessman, and also a trusting soul, and those two things have put you in this situation. You got bad advice on how to resolve this. Get a lawyer, get a UCC FILING, and get your money. And delete these posts.
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Re: >Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« Reply #5 on: Sep 01, 2016, 11:21:41 »
Dinofour. You say you built a bunch of bikes while knowing he was passing them off as his work. His brother does the same thing, but he's a "nice guy". You arrive here and say the guy is a "scam artist"...well of course he is if he is passing your work off as his. Yet you give him a bike with what you say is an $11k debt owing. Can't say I feel to sympathetic, from your description it's pretty obvious what kind of guy you were dealing with.

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Re: >Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« Reply #6 on: Sep 01, 2016, 12:01:23 »
Couple of thoughts in no particular order:

How could the bill for a lightly modified rebuilt CB750 come to 11k? 

How much of the work did the OP do/contribute to?

Who came up with the conceptual ideas?

The last two are important.  If someone comes up with an idea and pays (or not in this case) another to execute on that idea, the "designer" owns the concept.  Many of us outsource some parts of our builds, whether it's paint or powder or welding or machining and some guys get others to build wheels or do bodywork and so on and we still call them "builders".  In most cases those service providers will have provided input and ideas as to how something might work better or look better, and we rarely give those people enough credit for their contribution.

I understand that you are upset with allowing yourself to be in this position and for allowing a customer to take a bike without paying, but at this stage I would talk to an attorney.  It's a bit late to file a UCC filing and they have limited real world value, but talk to an attorney about the situation. And contact the OP to agree on a payment plan as appropriate.   

The way that the OP took his bike ( was it even his bike legally?  Did he have the title?) was not acceptable, for sure, but it suggests that the relationship had soured a while before that. Maybe the writing was on the wall and each of you were getting tired of the other but no one wanted to believe it or to say it.  I wasn't there.  I'm just speculating. I feel for you.

But get to an attorney and see if a letter from the attorney to Federal and the OP might shake things loose.

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>Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« Reply #7 on: Sep 02, 2016, 03:07:38 »
Dear OP, write a contract. Set up a payment plan. Come to an agreement BEFORE you start working. That's just not the way to do business, fronting $ XX and then waiting around to get paid, and then GIVING the guy the product without payment. 

If any of this is even substantial.

And then to come complain about it to the Internet? I don't even know what to make of this, poor business practice.

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Re: >Warning< Scam artists abound! Chicagoland area!
« Reply #8 on: Sep 02, 2016, 19:18:26 »
For the record, I'm going to delete this thread after I lock it and give people a chance to see why I'm removing it.

It's not because I give a shit about a bad business deal and an overpriced CB750 ($11K buys a lot of nice bikes).  It's also not because I think it's libel or illegal or anything along those lines.  As a platform provider DO THE TON is legally not responsible for the content posted here - the poster is.  It's like Facebook or any other site.  I can remove shit I don't like, for whatever reason I please, but I don't have to because somebody writes me an email asking, begging, threatening or has their lawyer do their dirty work for them.

I'm deleting it because the original poster only registered in order to use the site we all enjoy to do nothing more than further their agenda and not contribute in any meaningful way to the community.  He's not a member in good standing, he hasn't been back since posting, and is unlikely to answer any questions on how to bleed brakes, lace a wheel, check valve lash or anything else of value.
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