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Title: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 28, 2017, 02:53:48
Got to love the Mooch!

A class act: http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Jul 28, 2017, 11:17:25
Sean Hannity was there!? So why not Rush Limbaugh too? The clown car has grown into the Clown Train.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: jag767 on Jul 28, 2017, 11:26:45
I love how he gave this long winded rant about firing and prosecuting anyone that leaks information, and the same day his financial disclosures are leaked, lol!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Jul 28, 2017, 12:24:13
I love how he gave this long winded rant about firing and prosecuting anyone that leaks information, and the same day his financial disclosures are leaked, lol!

Those financial disclosures are actually public record. He just didn't know that I guess.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: jag767 on Jul 28, 2017, 17:23:26
Those financial disclosures are actually public record. He just didn't know that I guess.

Nor did i, and that makes it so much better since he reportedly contacted the fbi over it.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Jul 28, 2017, 18:13:44
Only fitting that there's a president who brags about grabbing pussy who now has a communication director who claims he's not sucking his own cock -- don't get mad! Their words not mine.

But certainly the clown car has gotten bigger, and comedians and satirists are loving life.
Title: "the Mooch"
Post by: runmikeyrun on Jul 30, 2017, 19:42:00
Only fitting that there's a president who brags about grabbing pussy who now has a communication director who claims he's not sucking his own cock -- don't get mad! Their words not mine.

But certainly the clown car has gotten bigger, and comedians and satirists are loving life.
I find it ridiculous that the same older generation who complain about "kids these days" being irresponsible, crude, selfish, without morals, etc vote for someone who is exactly that.  How they claim these kids are ruining America, but someone who acts just like them is going to make America great again.  I always point out hypocrisy no matter the political party, but the republicans are making it too damn easy.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Jul 30, 2017, 21:33:12
https://www.facebook.com/TheWeekInTrump/videos/674800952716156/

tip o' the iceberg.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Jul 31, 2017, 11:53:50
Is this the new place to hate republicans? The new unicorn water fountain lol

Wait till Sessions gets in the HLS position... immigration will never be the same hahaha!


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Jul 31, 2017, 12:27:25
Is this the new place to hate republicans? The new unicorn water fountain lol

Wait till Sessions gets in the HLS position... immigration will never be the same hahaha!

Love ya boo! Triggered much?

Say something good about Scaramucci. Tell us why he's a great man and worthy of the position.

I don't think anyone here "hates republicans," but most people with even a basic idea of what is happening the US -- including most republicans who are now in near-open revolt against your president -- are troubled. And hey, if you want to back an AG with a racist past (you know, the whole KKK thing) and trust him on immigration beat my guest. You don't read much, do you boo?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Jul 31, 2017, 12:43:28
Love ya boo! Triggered much?

Say something good about Scaramucci. Tell us why he's a great man and worthy of the position.

I don't think anyone here "hates republicans," but most people with even a basic idea of what is happening the US -- including most republicans who are now in near-open revolt against your president -- are troubled. And hey, if you want to back an AG with a racist past (you know, the whole KKK thing) and trust him on immigration beat my guest. You don't read much, do you boo?

And here you are again Chicken... never takes much stink bait


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Jul 31, 2017, 13:43:03
And here you are again Chicken... never takes much stink bait

Love you boo! And same to you!

Now...

Say something good about Scaramucci. Tell us why he's a great man and worthy of the position.

Add something to the conversation! Defend your heroes! Show us what you got!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Jul 31, 2017, 15:42:32
Love you boo! And same to you!

Now...

Add something to the conversation! Defend your heroes! Show us what you got!

I'm not interested in playing your little girl games boy... find a cute 10 year old to play with.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Jul 31, 2017, 16:05:53
10 days. That has to be a record.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Jul 31, 2017, 16:22:55
I'm not interested in playing your little girl games boy... find a cute 10 year old to play with.

Shoot boo, I thought I was with you! XOXO!

The Mooch? The moot. In for just long enough to be fodder for jokes and then not even Trump could take it.

Historically, categorically, objectively the worst run administration in American history?   
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jul 31, 2017, 18:33:14
Bye, bye!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: runmikeyrun on Aug 04, 2017, 19:59:09
It's a joke, really.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 05, 2017, 09:37:50
It's a joke, really.

Not for everybody!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: runmikeyrun on Aug 05, 2017, 16:55:37
Not for everybody!
Those poor cartoonists.  Is there no limit to the wrath of Trump?


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 07, 2017, 12:07:53
The Trump "wrath" is just warming up... if you get real close the dudes just inside the legal boundaries and must have some decent advisers to allow him to retaliate against the fully focused left to destroy him. Hope takes out a HUGE pile of garbage before it ends


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 07, 2017, 12:53:00
The Trump "wrath" is just warming up... if you get real close the dudes just inside the legal boundaries and must have some decent advisers to allow him to retaliate against the fully focused left to destroy him. Hope takes out a HUGE pile of garbage before it ends

Just what America needs: a "wrathful" president who will take out Americans who are considered "garbage."

Or: he's nowhere near smart enough to have any idea what he's doing, he's been completely ineffective at everything he's tried, and he is hanging on by a thread because he's done so much dubious shit -- legally, diplomatically, morally -- that even his own party has turned against him. But there is a still a small cadre of his followers who don't read the news and aren't smart enough to see that cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is never a good idea.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: jag767 on Aug 07, 2017, 14:06:43
Just what America needs: a "wrathful" president who will take out Americans who are considered "garbage."

Or: he's nowhere near smart enough to have any idea what he's doing, he's been completely ineffective at everything he's tried, and he is hanging on by a thread because he's done so much dubious shit -- legally, diplomatically, morally -- that even his own party has turned against him. But there is a still a small cadre of his followers who don't read the news and aren't smart enough to see that cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is never a good idea.

This.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 07, 2017, 19:15:31
Ha!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 08, 2017, 13:37:41
Seems more than one phone call has surfaced lol but I stoped looking at comic books at about age ten.

This is interesting tho.

Los Angeles County has told the project that “the number of registered voters now stands at a whopping 144% of the total number of resident citizens of voting age.”


There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57. Those areas won by Clinton all contain sanctuary cities. One need not be a genius to figure this election out.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 08, 2017, 14:33:06
Seems more than one phone call has surfaced lol but I stoped looking at comic books at about age ten.

This is interesting tho.

Los Angeles County has told the project that “the number of registered voters now stands at a whopping 144% of the total number of resident citizens of voting age.”


There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57. Those areas won by Clinton all contain sanctuary cities. One need not be a genius to figure this election out.


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Those numbers are the product of Brietbart Fake News. Clinton won at least 487 counties. Though counties are a pretty piss poor measure of vote as population is not spread evenly within counties. Clinton actually had 2.8 million more votes. Of course none of that matters, Trump won the electoral college and is POTUS. As a result I can't imagine why you would present any sort of election results, made up or otherwise. Took a page out of Trumps playbook I guess.

At least the LA voter numbers are correct, but as Judicial Watch (a conservative watch dog group) states, they are contesting lack of maintenance of voter rolls in regards to the death of registered voters. It has nothing to to do illegal votes.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 08, 2017, 17:22:33
Those numbers are the product of Brietbart Fake News. Clinton won at least 487 counties. Though counties are a pretty piss poor measure of vote as population is not spread evenly within counties. Clinton actually had 2.8 million more votes. Of course none of that matters, Trump won the electoral college and is POTUS. As a result I can't imagine why you would present any sort of election results, made up or otherwise. Took a page out of Trumps playbook I guess.

At least the LA voter numbers are correct, but as Judicial Watch (a conservative watch dog group) states, they are contesting lack of maintenance of voter rolls in regards to the death of registered voters. It has nothing to to do illegal votes.

BS... voter fraud is real and it needs to be put to an end before the next election... I am for a chipped ID that ONLY a US citizen with a continuous 24 months of verified residency is established... nothing not a drivers license down to a library card will be considered valid until those 24 months has passed. No more goddamn freeloaders period.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 08, 2017, 20:13:05
Yeah, me too.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 08, 2017, 20:38:40
BS... voter fraud is real and it needs to be put to an end before the next election... I am for a chipped ID that ONLY a US citizen with a continuous 24 months of verified residency is established... nothing not a drivers license down to a library card will be considered valid until those 24 months has passed. No more goddamn freeloaders period.

Voter fraud is not real (at least not in any significant way, certainly not enough to influence a presidential election). When you make claims such as these, do you have any real evidence to back it up? The answer to this one is no, because it's not real. As folks here hashed out in previous threads, voter ID laws have been struck down as unconstitutional because the disenfranchise POC and others. You can hold another opinion, but the constitution is not on your side.

But rather more pressing, how about the pissing contest between Trump and Kim Jong Un? It's like two testosterone fueled 13-year-olds going at it.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Aug 10, 2017, 13:33:01
It's pretty clear who is advising Trump. Captain Ebola himself.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 10, 2017, 14:56:41
And an update on "voter fraud," which itself is a fraud, courtesy of the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/10/in-a-new-poll-half-of-republicans-say-they-would-support-postponing-the-2020-election-if-trump-proposed-it/?utm_term=.8e56a84f5b42

Just read the headline in the url. Ouch.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 10, 2017, 17:54:14
He's back!

Temporarily.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Aug 10, 2017, 20:12:29
BS... voter fraud is real and it needs to be put to an end before the next election... I am for a chipped ID that ONLY a US citizen with a continuous 24 months of verified residency is established... nothing not a drivers license down to a library card will be considered valid until those 24 months has passed. No more goddamn freeloaders period.


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Time to call BS on that fake news .  First off, it was nowhere near 144%.  That was bogus.  Next the data included "inactive voters".  Those are names of people who have not voted recently, are not canvassed and did not turn up to vote this time either.  They are left in an inactive status in case there is some valid reason that they have not been voting but are still alive and eligible to vote.  That would for example include people who did not want to vote for Obama and now don't see any point in voting for Chump either.

Since they did not vote this time either, there was no fraud.  Just more baseless, fake news from the far right that are positioning the country to cancel the 2020 elections to allow Chump to stay in power for as long as they want a frat boy to represent them.  And by "them" we are not talking about voters.

I'm not against voter ID though.  That just makes common sense and we should be able to get all old, poor etc voters into the system that currently may have difficulty.  There is time if we start now, but that effort cannot be the way that some states seem to want to do it by simply banning people who don't currently have valid ID as defined now. That won't fly any more than just turning up to vote should. If tit's an issue, we should make it easy for those folks to register and to validate their registration through simple processes. 

By the same token, a semi secret panel in the White House cannot be expected to conduct any sort of fair review of voters.  They could go out in the field and conduct tests and interviews and pull together a list of best practices for states to consider and implement.  They could invite Secretaries of State from all states to have input to the process.

Much more to the point is that the Government has zero right to voter data of any sort.  Where does the constitution say they can demand details of soc. numbers and how individuals voted and their full names and addresses? How soon before they start to use that dat to target people in all manner of ways eg through IRS audits or ..insert your own pet fear here...


Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 14, 2017, 12:36:36
I'm following the insanity that was the white supremacist march in Charlottesville last weekend. What the hell is going on? Trump's mealy mouthed pseudo condemnation of events was ridiculous; there's no doubt his rhetoric has given these bigots the confidence to do this kind of shit.

On the positive side, dunno if anyone's seen it but the "yes, you're racist" twitter handle is outing these people and they're facing consequences, such as being fired from their jobs.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 16, 2017, 22:56:54
I'm following the insanity that was the white supremacist march in Charlottesville last weekend. What the hell is going on? Trump's mealy mouthed pseudo condemnation of events was ridiculous; there's no doubt his rhetoric has given these bigots the confidence to do this kind of shit.

On the positive side, dunno if anyone's seen it but the "yes, you're racist" twitter handle is outing these people and they're facing consequences, such as being fired from their jobs.

So you got fired?

That whole "show" was well planned by the the racist Left and Soros thugs and now that the video evidence is surfacing not even CNN can push it back.

I would say that these protest groups on both sides of racism are nothing more than misinformed, weak mined trash... but I'm sure you had a good time watching Chicken.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 17, 2017, 02:01:14
speaking of racists …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 17, 2017, 09:13:58
speaking of racists …


If your a lefty you have no choice but to believe that... some of US have minds of our own tho.

Here's another opinion:, but it's TV and has lost all credibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_S3KIV9aA&sns=em




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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 17, 2017, 12:23:28
So you got fired?

That whole "show" was well planned by the the racist Left and Soros thugs and now that the video evidence is surfacing not even CNN can push it back.

I would say that these protest groups on both sides of racism are nothing more than misinformed, weak mined trash... but I'm sure you had a good time watching Chicken.


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Where has the evidence surfaced exactly?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 17, 2017, 13:38:13
Where has the evidence surfaced exactly?

Not that I agree with one side or the other, but there are videos all over Facebook of the Antifa crowd swooping in and throwing punches seemingly unprovoked, physically, anyhow.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 17, 2017, 15:07:18
Not that I agree with one side or the other, but there are videos all over Facebook of the Antifa crowd swooping in and throwing punches seemingly unprovoked, physically, anyhow.

Okay, but that doesn't really answer the question. Even if they were throwing punches, where is the evidence that they are racist, of the left, and Soros' own thugs were there and acting racist. Punches alone don't make them employed by Soros, racist, or of the left. Maybe they are just angry because a bunch of rich white privileged kids were able to afford the day off to protest the removal of some transparently racist statues. At best you could say that the proposed charges could be considered hard to prove, but in reality they are based on nonsense. Sure, there are assholes in every group. Hell, a white nationalist killed a woman, but instead of apologizing and pointing out actions of terror where they are due (good job Donnie) we are trying to prove that the other side didn't have permits and make the other side out to be equally as bad. It's a moral false equivalence really. The majority are saying that the white nationalists spew hate, obviously true. Those defending the white nationalists are attempting to say that the other side is just as bad. That again is a logical fallacy. Address the criticism of the white nationalists, one of which murdered a person at that very rally, the rest of them openly fight for the extermination of those who aren't white Christians. You'd have to a fucking moron to even attempt to point the finger elsewhere. The best part is that historically speaking those statues were put in place during the same time that Jim Crowe and other white nationalist based laws that obviously discriminate were drafted and adopted. So let's place some obviously discriminatory laws in place and to really drive the point home we will also drop some historical defenders of slavery into town squares the nation over. Never mind that those statues depict people who literally attempted to defend slavery by risking their own lives in war, no these statues aren't racist, not at all.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 17, 2017, 18:28:11
So you got fired?

That whole "show" was well planned by the the racist Left and Soros thugs and now that the video evidence is surfacing not even CNN can push it back.

I would say that these protest groups on both sides of racism are nothing more than misinformed, weak mined trash... but I'm sure you had a good time watching Chicken.

Seriously? I hate to say it, but the time is fucking now more than ever. You may not be self-aware or realize this, but stupid falls out of your mouth every time you open it, and it's apparent to everyone else. I've avoided insulting you for ages while you throw lobs of shit towards me repeatedly, but sorry guy: you're fucked.

The false equivalence that savOr points out is absolutely correct. A crowd of torch-bearing neo-nazis shouting "Jews will not replace us," carrying swastikas and other symbols of white supremacy, raising their arms in sieg heil salutes -- these are people that the president said had some good people among them. And these are the people that are calling for the eradication of people of color, Jews, Muslims, etc. There aren't two sides to this argument, and trying to blame the left for the violence is about as idiotic as it gets -- and is essentially arguing the white supremacists' side. Nazis shouldn't be protected -- look up Hegel's paradox of tolerance for some guidance here. And think about America's past.

I didn't lose my job because I'm not a mouth breathing Nazi who attended a rally to preach hate toward minorities -- not sure how you made that leap, sweetums, but it's bizarre.

"The whole show" was actually planned by the right, and the leftists who came out to protest did so in reaction to the Nazi right. You claim the evidence is so clear that CNN can't refute it? OK, let's have it. Post it here. Not evidence that the antifas attacked the Nazis, but that the whole thing was planned by the left. And let's remember that in the end, an anti-racist protestor was killed by a racist protestor.

Protest groups on both sides of racism -- you mean the racists and those who condemn racism? You mean, like the civil rights movement in the 1960s? -- are weak minded trash? Really? We should stand idly by while the white supremacists gain momentum?

Remember when you used to say derogatory stuff about Mexicans, African-Americans, Muslims and other minorities here with your buddy who got banned because he just couldn't shut up about it?

The Trump supporting fringe is declining in numbers as people are abhorred by what this man has done and continues to do, but no doubt there will be people -- some misinformed, some malicious, some incredibly naďve or stupid -- who continue to defend him or what they think he stands for. This is seriously a shitty and fucked up time in the US.

Love you toots, really I do, and let me know if you need help with any of the big words as you've complained you can't understand them in the past. XOXO.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 17, 2017, 19:25:59
Perhaps you meant Popper rather than Hegel.

Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies:

    "Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Otherwise, no problem!

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 17, 2017, 20:25:55
Okay, but that doesn't really answer the question. Even if they were throwing punches, where is the evidence that they are racist, of the left, and Soros' own thugs were there and acting racist. Punches alone don't make them employed by Soros, racist, or of the left. Maybe they are just angry because a bunch of rich white privileged kids were able to afford the day off to protest the removal of some transparently racist statues. At best you could say that the proposed charges could be considered hard to prove, but in reality they are based on nonsense. Sure, there are assholes in every group. Hell, a white nationalist killed a woman, but instead of apologizing and pointing out actions of terror where they are due (good job Donnie) we are trying to prove that the other side didn't have permits and make the other side out to be equally as bad. It's a moral false equivalence really. The majority are saying that the white nationalists spew hate, obviously true. Those defending the white nationalists are attempting to say that the other side is just as bad. That again is a logical fallacy. Address the criticism of the white nationalists, one of which murdered a person at that very rally, the rest of them openly fight for the extermination of those who aren't white Christians. You'd have to a fucking moron to even attempt to point the finger elsewhere. The best part is that historically speaking those statues were put in place during the same time that Jim Crowe and other white nationalist based laws that obviously discriminate were drafted and adopted. So let's place some obviously discriminatory laws in place and to really drive the point home we will also drop some historical defenders of slavery into town squares the nation over. Never mind that those statues depict people who literally attempted to defend slavery by risking their own lives in war, no these statues aren't racist, not at all.

Did you spend all morning writing that drivel?

Are you gonna blow up Mount Rushmore too?

Taking these monuments down is completely idiotic.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 17, 2017, 20:34:24
That is a curious question.

Aside from all the shit that happened in the last week or two, they have been going after monuments for a solid year.

49% of the Constitutional Convention were slave owners, including some of the most prominent, including the guy who wrote the Declaration, and our first president, along with the president during the Civil War. Do we go after their monuments next? Lincoln, after all didn't free all slaves with the Emancipation Proclamation, only those in states the Union was fighting.

I'm not here to argue who fought for what, or what monuments are ok, and what are not. Just a curious question as to what comes next, after they tackle all the Confederate monuments.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 17, 2017, 20:34:44
Seriously? I hate to say it, but the time is fucking now more than ever. You may not be self-aware or realize this, but stupid falls out of your mouth every time you open it, and it's apparent to everyone else. I've avoided insulting you for ages while you throw lobs of shit towards me repeatedly, but sorry guy: you're fucked.

The false equivalence that savOr points out is absolutely correct. A crowd of torch-bearing neo-nazis shouting "Jews will not replace us," carrying swastikas and other symbols of white supremacy, raising their arms in sieg heil salutes -- these are people that the president said had some good people among them. And these are the people that are calling for the eradication of people of color, Jews, Muslims, etc. There aren't two sides to this argument, and trying to blame the left for the violence is about as idiotic as it gets -- and is essentially arguing the white supremacists' side. Nazis shouldn't be protected -- look up Hegel's paradox of tolerance for some guidance here. And think about America's past.

I didn't lose my job because I'm not a mouth breathing Nazi who attended a rally to preach hate toward minorities -- not sure how you made that leap, sweetums, but it's bizarre.

"The whole show" was actually planned by the right, and the leftists who came out to protest did so in reaction to the Nazi right. You claim the evidence is so clear that CNN can't refute it? OK, let's have it. Post it here. Not evidence that the antifas attacked the Nazis, but that the whole thing was planned by the left. And let's remember that in the end, an anti-racist protestor was killed by a racist protestor.

Protest groups on both sides of racism -- you mean the racists and those who condemn racism? You mean, like the civil rights movement in the 1960s? -- are weak minded trash? Really? We should stand idly by while the white supremacists gain momentum?

Remember when you used to say derogatory stuff about Mexicans, African-Americans, Muslims and other minorities here with your buddy who got banned because he just couldn't shut up about it?

The Trump supporting fringe is declining in numbers as people are abhorred by what this man has done and continues to do, but no doubt there will be people -- some misinformed, some malicious, some incredibly naďve or stupid -- who continue to defend him or what they think he stands for. This is seriously a shitty and fucked up time in the US.

Love you toots, really I do, and let me know if you need help with any of the big words as you've complained you can't understand them in the past. XOXO.

WoW! You spun that just like a full blown CNN news story.

You seem to think I care what you think Chicken... I don't, your just noise imo.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Aug 17, 2017, 21:00:14
The vast majority of Confederate memorials were installed in the 20th century.  Most were funded by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and they were clearly part of the UDC's promotion of the Lost Cause. Most memorials were installed alongside Jim Crow laws and a bunch were installed during the Civil Rights Movement.  If we're being honest, it's pretty clear they represented a defiance by southern states.  To suggest that Washington or Jefferson memorials are next is just being alarmist.  One has nothing to do with the other. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 17, 2017, 21:52:34
Did you spend all morning writing that drivel?

Are you gonna blow up Mount Rushmore too?

Taking these monuments down is completely idiotic.


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Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 17, 2017, 22:28:31
The vast majority of Confederate memorials were installed in the 20th century.  Most were funded by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and they were clearly part of the UDC's promotion of the Lost Cause. Most memorials were installed alongside Jim Crow laws and a bunch were installed during the Civil Rights Movement.  If we're being honest, it's pretty clear they represented a defiance by southern states.  To suggest that Washington or Jefferson memorials are next is just being alarmist.  One has nothing to do with the other.

Normally, I would agree. However, the Lincoln Memorial was vandalised last night. Shit is all over Facebook with people talking about taking them down, "we shouldn't memorialize slave owners," etc.

Like I said, not arguing one way or the other. Just a curious question.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Aug 17, 2017, 22:41:52
I missed that story about Lincoln Memorial. Maybe I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 17, 2017, 23:12:50
Lincoln Memorial was vandalised last night.

A moron with a spraycan; stupidity isn't limited to any one political outlook.

However this doesn't invalidate the reasoning behind the removal of Lost Cause statuary.

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Aug 18, 2017, 01:10:27
The issue of Confederate statues is not that the people that are memorialized don't have historical significance and not that they were slave owners. The real issue is that the statues were raised last time White Supremacists insisted on taking back the south and tried to rewrite history - predominantly in the Jim Crow era.

It was not because they were brave or great generals, but because they represented the south and all that it stood for and that was mainly about whites being "true americans".  The sad thing is that the south has a valid, if incomplete historical perspective and it is overshadowed by the neo nazi and other bozos who seem to feel that Chump has legitimized their anger.

Let's not forget that the "heroes of the south" were as anti American as it's possible to be.  Their intention was to leave the US so that they could continue to build an economy on the backs of non white slaves.  Given that most of the world had already stopped slavery before the Civil War or was starting to outlaw it.

But back to the modern day.  Those statues and the people they represent are or were historical figures and should be in a suitable location and not in front of Government buildings. And neo Nazis have zero place in any modern country and have zero right to try to claim those historical figures as representing their twisted thoughts.

Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: clem on Aug 18, 2017, 09:52:20
Neo Nazi's are a slap in the face to all of our elders that fought and died in WWII. Period.
There is still slavery that happens in this country today and no one reports on it. Not a good enough story to get votes with I guess. Politicians aim to keep the country divided, it benefits them and only them. Pick anyone you wish to be president and the current situation in this country stays them same. Stamp it.

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 18, 2017, 10:58:57
No, you're a doo-doo head!

Now that I agree whole heartedly with sir


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 18, 2017, 11:02:06
A moron with a spraycan; stupidity isn't limited to any one political outlook.

However this doesn't invalidate the reasoning behind the removal of Lost Cause statuary.

Crazy

Wonder how a popular vote would turn out if the entire US was poled


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 18, 2017, 12:40:47
Doo-doo head, you go to the polls, you take a poll, you are polling the people, and we were polled in 2016. Getting poled is entirely different. Maybe you should waste more of your morning on your posts.

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 18, 2017, 14:43:17
Perhaps you meant Popper rather than Hegel.

Crazy

Right you are... got my Germans mixed up with my Austrians and my centuries pretty far off, but thanks!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 18, 2017, 14:48:53
WoW! You spun that just like a full blown CNN news story.

You seem to think I care what you think Chicken... I don't, your just noise imo.


Love you boo, and you're cute when you're aloof!

But come on, you've got this proof that the left organized the whole thing in Virginia -- you said so yourself! Show us, there are quite a few people interested in seeing that. Otherwise most people will probably simply continue to think that you are one of those people we all read about -- submerged in an echo chamber of sources from the right that rely on opinion not fact, blindly clinging to a president who has bumbled his way through his first several months and recently given a louder voice to his unsuppressed racism.

Let's hear some more how bad Hillary is, and how divisive Obama was.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 18, 2017, 14:59:47
That is a curious question.

Aside from all the shit that happened in the last week or two, they have been going after monuments for a solid year.

49% of the Constitutional Convention were slave owners, including some of the most prominent, including the guy who wrote the Declaration, and our first president, along with the president during the Civil War. Do we go after their monuments next? Lincoln, after all didn't free all slaves with the Emancipation Proclamation, only those in states the Union was fighting.

I'm not here to argue who fought for what, or what monuments are ok, and what are not. Just a curious question as to what comes next, after they tackle all the Confederate monuments.

I understand people are wondering "Where will it stop" but there are some pretty basic differences between paying homage to people such as George Washington and Robert E. Lee, despite what Trump wants people to think. Washington and Jefferson were flawed people, no doubt about that, including owning slaves. But they are celebrated for leading the United States to independence. Yes, slavery is part of that story, but that's not their main story. Robert E. Lee is celebrated solely (or almost entirely) for leading a pro-slavery revolt against the central government of the United States. Despite what some people may want to argue -- and I'd be happy to engage on this topic -- the Civil War was fought over slavery. Robert E. Lee is celebrated because he wanted to separate from the US and create a nation based on the enslavement of others. He and his side lost, the Union won, and yet there is a debate over whether these traitors should be celebrated in public places and in front of government buildings?

Others (Teazer) have articulated it well here -- in a museum? Sure. People can choose not to visit a museum.

Perhaps most strikingly is that Robert E. Lee was wise enough to oppose monuments to the Confederacy at the end of the Civil War. He wisely saw them as divisive at a time when the South had to accept defeat and acknowledge the end of slavery. And as Irk pointed out -- these monuments were put up long after the Civil War, with dubious motives.

And I'll reiterate my previous comment about the divisiveness of Trump, and add this: neo-nazis and white supremacists are arguing that these statues be maintained, and killing people in the process.   
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 18, 2017, 15:10:01
And there goes Bannon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html?_r=0

Anybody know of an administration that fired and replaced people as quickly as this? With this number of resignations and people refusing to join? With this many positions unfilled? Just curious.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 18, 2017, 15:28:29
Has anyone here ever partaken in one of these rallies? I'm considering it. On the anti-Nazi side of course.

Group of former ball players organizing it. We're in touch with ESPN and ABC. We spent months and months on the road with each other, white guys, black guys, Hispanic guys, Latin guys, European guys, etc. Color never mattered to us. It's a brotherhood. Some of my favorite memories are with guys who didn't speak a lick of English. Seemingly, it could be an interesting event.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 18, 2017, 16:37:24
And there goes Bannon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html?_r=0

Anybody know of an administration that fired and replaced people as quickly as this? With this number of resignations and people refusing to join? With this many positions unfilled? Just curious.


Finally, some winning!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 18, 2017, 21:54:51
There's a Nazi rally going on this weekend in Hot Springs. About an hour away from me. Think I may sit that one out.

Rumor has it, people have been told to carry, and leave the kids at home.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Aug 19, 2017, 01:50:24
Robert E. Lee is celebrated solely (or almost entirely) for leading a pro-slavery revolt against the central government of the United States. Despite what some people may want to argue -- and I'd be happy to engage on this topic -- the Civil War was fought over slavery. Robert E. Lee is celebrated because he wanted to separate from the US and create a nation based on the enslavement of others. He and his side lost, the Union won, and yet there is a debate over whether these traitors should be celebrated in public places and in front of government buildings?
While I generally agree with the intent of your post, I don't agree with the accuracy of your statement.  Lee served the US military for 32 years before secession.  He was a celebrated officer during the Mexican-American War and he served as Superintendent of West Point.  He served the US for 32 years and the Confederacy for 4 years.  He followed Virginia into the war, but he himself had nothing to do with it secession.  Lee actually lobbied against secession and he was offered a senior command for the US.  It could be argued that his service to the US should be celebrated, but his service to the Confederacy should not.  To most people, one nullifies the other and I won't argue that point.  I just think Lee isn't seen in the most accurate light and it should be pointed out. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 19, 2017, 06:40:27
Didn't last long …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 20, 2017, 10:23:39
And, we're off and running. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170820/2db34aef87aed5b3bfb3d537b16f8ec8.jpg)

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 20, 2017, 10:44:43
And, we're off and running.

Amerigo Vespucci was also complicit in this crime, which could lead to a problem for South America as well!

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 20, 2017, 13:04:12
Now, we have Sharpton bitching about his tax dollars going to the Jefferson monument.

The Twitter responses are golden, at least. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170820/9b62315b4f87a14c14a8afcfae3fa49d.jpg)

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 20, 2017, 16:03:48
Damn, Antifa is going in on the rocking chairs at Cracker Barrel.

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Aug 20, 2017, 17:24:58
What's happening is any idiot can post on YouTube, send a tweet, or share dumb shit on Facebook.  The comments on those videos are priceless.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 20, 2017, 17:57:00
What's happening is any idiot can post on YouTube, send a tweet, or share dumb shit on Facebook.  The comments on those videos are priceless.
Al Sharpton isn't just any idiot. He's like king idiot. He's influential. He goes after something, as he did the Jefferson monument, it's going to gain traction with his followers.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Aug 20, 2017, 19:36:36
Haha.  I was commenting on the Boston Antifa post, but yeah I've never been an Al Sharpton fan either.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 21, 2017, 06:58:41
More folks, who actually have an audience, hopping on the Washington/Jefferson train.

That didn't take a week from the first mention of it, to people hopping on the bandwagon. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170821/6acc591289da6a1224f1de528d65cf8f.jpg)

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 21, 2017, 07:57:08
That didn't take a week from the first mention of it, to people hopping on the bandwagon.

It's a distinct possibility that some are using it as a distraction from more serious matters!

And some are just trolling.

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 21, 2017, 11:08:24
While I generally agree with the intent of your post, I don't agree with the accuracy of your statement.  Lee served the US military for 32 years before secession.  He was a celebrated officer during the Mexican-American War and he served as Superintendent of West Point.  He served the US for 32 years and the Confederacy for 4 years.  He followed Virginia into the war, but he himself had nothing to do with it secession.  Lee actually lobbied against secession and he was offered a senior command for the US.  It could be argued that his service to the US should be celebrated, but his service to the Confederacy should not.  To most people, one nullifies the other and I won't argue that point.  I just think Lee isn't seen in the most accurate light and it should be pointed out.

I guess I would be more sympathetic to this position if a few facts weren't in the way. Despite his prior record, and despite an offer for a senior position in the Union army, he chose to defend slavery and in the process of defending slavery killed more Americans than another other general opposing Americans. That's a pretty big flaw to overcome. The monuments to Lee don't emphasize his record prior the Civil War with a caveat that says "and then there was the whole unfortunate defending slavery thing, but let's not focus on that part;" they are monuments to the Confederacy that emphasize his role as commanding an army designed to defend the practice of slavery. Although the New Orleans monument was put up in 1880, most monuments to the Confederacy were put up in the early 20th century (to reinforce Jim Crow) or in the 1960s (as a reaction to the Civil Rights Movement), and many (most?) were paid for by the Daughters of the Confederacy.

And as I mentioned earlier, Lee himself was on record as opposing monuments to the Confederacy as he predicted (sagely, I suppose) that they would prove divisive.   
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Aug 21, 2017, 11:28:50
Although the New Orleans monument was put up in 1880, most monuments to the Confederacy were put up in the early 20th century (to reinforce Jim Crow) or in the 1960s (as a reaction to the Civil Rights Movement), and many (most?) were paid for by the Daughters of the Confederacy.
 
I covered all that in a previous post.  Your previous statement about Lee just needed more information. Like I said, I hold the same opinion, but I also prefer to have all the details on the table.  There's the position of being anti-American and pro-Slavery being discussed as they relate to these monuments.  Also, your position about Lee highlights a justification to remove all monuments of former slave owners, including those in the Union. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 21, 2017, 12:39:16
I think we can all agree that slavery is/was abhorrent.

However, I have a hard time condemning people of that past who lived within the social constructs of their time.

We think the way we do now, because we were taught to do so. Just as those men were taught in their lifetimes.
Monday morning quarterbacking doesn't offer anything than division amongst the people.   
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 21, 2017, 14:15:04
I covered all that in a previous post.  Your previous statement about Lee just needed more information. Like I said, I hold the same opinion, but I also prefer to have all the details on the table.  There's the position of being anti-American and pro-Slavery being discussed as they relate to these monuments.  Also, your position about Lee highlights a justification to remove all monuments of former slave owners, including those in the Union.

No, it doesn't, although I'm curious why you think it does. Not all slave holders joined a revolt against the US to defend slavery -- isn't that part of what I've been emphasizing? Others had accomplishments that are feted that have nothing to do with slavery.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 21, 2017, 14:21:08
I think we can all agree that slavery is/was abhorrent.

However, I have a hard time condemning people of that past who lived within the social constructs of their time.

We think the way we do now, because we were taught to do so. Just as those men were taught in their lifetimes.
Monday morning quarterbacking doesn't offer anything than division amongst the people.

True -- although the social construct of the time, the 1860s, was broad and included people vehemently opposed to slavery, including many in the South. And including those of African descent in the South, it should go without saying. And abolitionist movements in (what became) the US date to the 17th century. People made choices as to whether they supported slavery, influenced by the situation around them ("how will I get my cotton picked without slavery?" e.g.). People chose to support slavery, people chose to go to war over slavery (not everyone, of course). It's not meant to be divisive Monday morning QBing, but partly it's a continuing attempt to address historical wrongs. Shouldn't be anything wrong with that in a mature society, which is why the defensiveness on one side invites questions as to motive (reinforced by idiots who march with Nazi symbols).
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 21, 2017, 14:29:17
True -- although the social construct of the time, the 1860s, was broad and included people vehemently opposed to slavery, including many in the South. And including those of African descent in the South, it should go without saying. And abolitionist movements in (what became) the US date to the 17th century. People made choices as to whether they supported slavery, influenced by the situation around them ("how will I get my cotton picked without slavery?" e.g.). People chose to support slavery, people chose to go to war over slavery (not everyone, of course). It's not meant to be divisive Monday morning QBing, but partly it's a continuing attempt to address historical wrongs. Shouldn't be anything wrong with that in a mature society, which is why the defensiveness on one side invites questions as to motive (reinforced by idiots who march with Nazi symbols).
I meant more of the Washington/Jefferson rumblings that are now going on, 100 years prior to the Civil War.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Aug 22, 2017, 10:01:34
The statues that were raised up during the Jim Crow era up to the sixties...bleh!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 23, 2017, 13:27:48
It's getting wild out there.

Guy is Asian to boot. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170823/7fe08081821f8cf66d820c7b0774fb4d.jpg)

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 23, 2017, 13:48:17
It's getting wild out there.

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Heard this on the morning radio talk shows today. This is honestly one of the stupidest reactions to this situation yet. Absolutely absurd, and everyone involved is being ridiculous.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 23, 2017, 17:27:18
This is hilarious, I'm sure Doo-doo head is exploding. Just the type of deconstructionism he wanted...
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Aug 24, 2017, 10:17:25


Heard this on the morning radio talk shows today. This is honestly one of the stupidest reactions to this situation yet. Absolutely absurd, and everyone involved is being ridiculous.

I'll agree, that goes full retard...well maybe the Chinese are planning to bring back the South? I have to take a few more shots of Captain Morgan to buy it though.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 24, 2017, 13:11:05
I'll agree, that goes full retard...well maybe the Chinese are planning to bring back the South? I have to take a few more shots of Captain Morgan to buy it though.

So I'm reading that this wasn't an ESPN decision, but a personal one made by Lee himself.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 24, 2017, 13:33:59
So I'm reading that this wasn't an ESPN decision, but a personal one made by Lee himself.
Wouldn't be surprised. The media is always out to start shit.

Where did you see that at? Still seeing multiple talking about ESPN pulling the trigger. None to the contrary.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 24, 2017, 13:43:21
ESPN has released a statement explaining their decision to pull him. They seem to have done it.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Aug 24, 2017, 16:12:42
ESPN has released a statement explaining their decision to pull him. They seem to have done it.

That's not good, the media becoming as unhinged as fearless leader.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 24, 2017, 16:54:05
While I also think it's kind of silly, both ESPN and Robert Lee made the decision together (according to the NYT) and over concerns of safety. Perhaps there was a threat that we don't know about. Perhaps there was no risk whatsoever. But in the grand scheme of things it's not a really big deal, he's going to simply call a game somewhere else. Mountain out of a molehill, really. Or, as some in the media would have you believe, "political correctness run amok!" You decide for yourself.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 24, 2017, 17:17:22
99% of the time a "mutual agreement" occurs between an employer and employee, it's a you're going to do this if you want to remain employed here.

I mean, when this broke a few days ago, and ESPN was catching shit from every direction, why didn't he come out and say "this was my choice" then?

Just a way to try to save face, IMO.

Was chatting with a guy night before last that was big on ESPN until they fired him. Says it is hardcore left leaning.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 24, 2017, 17:59:06
99% of the time a "mutual agreement" occurs between an employer and employee, it's a you're going to do this if you want to remain employed here.

I mean, when this broke a few days ago, and ESPN was catching shit from every direction, why didn't he come out and say "this was my choice" then?

Just a way to try to save face, IMO.

Was chatting with a guy night before last that was big on ESPN until they fired him. Says it is hardcore left leaning.

Meh, maybe. But again in the grand scheme of things it's not really a big thing. It's the overreaction that's funny to me, and evident in the fact that we're even discussing it days later.

As to ESPN being left leaning, I'll admit I'm not a big sports watching guy, I like doing things, not watching things. But I'll watch the stupid bowl, the World Series, and some NBA games. The people at ESPN might be left leaning, but calling their coverage left leaning is a whole 'nother thing. Is it because Michael Sam kissed his boyfriend on TV? That seems to be when the whole ESPN-is-a-liberal-bastion shit took off. Jason Collins? Colin Kapernick? Caitlyn Jenner? As the American right surges ever onward to the right, I constantly hear criticism of this or that as being liberal (like Arizona State University's campus -- shit, those people should see the UW, Berkeley, etc. -- ASU is pretty conservative but like many things simply not conservative enough for some). Sam, Collins, Kaepernick, Jenner -- they're news. The fact that they are covered will rile people on the right as giving a voice to "deviants" or endorsing a "deviant lifestyle choice," as many of them see LGBTQ folks. Fuck 'em.

But I'm curious how their shows decry their liberal bias. How does calling a B-ball game show liberal bias? How do sports talk shows show liberal bias? I'm not saying they do or don't, I'm asking. What's the actual content that shows liberal bias, and who judges it to be liberal, other than your friend? Again, just curious.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 24, 2017, 18:35:43
ESPN has lost over 10M subscribers over the last few years, many stating their liberal bias as the reason they left.

Hell, ESPN did their own research poll a few months ago to quash that myth, came back that 63% of the people that felt they were biased, felt they were biased to the left. In their press release on it, they only mentioned the 30% that said they were conservative, and when asked why the 63% wasn't mentioned, they said they wanted to keep the press release short.

I think the majority of people that feel the way they do, feel that way due to Stephen A. Smith. He constantly harps on black this, black that, if he were white, he'd get this and that. They keep him on constantly.

Then, there is the whole Jessica Mendoza debacle. I don't comment on that one, except in the company of a select group of people.

That said, I don't watch a ton of sports on tv. If I want to see a game, I go to it.

Everything has become politicized. You can't sit down and watch Sports Center, or anything really, without catching political undertones. Just the world we live in, I suppose.

That said, I'm not particularly right, or left leaning. I tend to be fiscally conservative, socially left leaning.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 24, 2017, 22:29:20
Shits gettin real... soon to boil over


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 24, 2017, 22:58:30
Shits gettin real... soon to boil over


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Hey Tune. How ya doin?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 24, 2017, 23:03:40

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Leaked memo from ESPN president blames Robert Lee hoopla on 'someone with a personal agenda'
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FILE PHOTO: ESPN logo and building are shown in down town Los Angeles, California, U.S., March 6, 2017.    REUTERS/Mike Blake/File Photo
Thomson Reuters
ESPN president John Skipper sent a memo to staff Wednesday to respond to criticism that came after the network's decision to remove a football announcer named Robert Lee was from an assignment at the University of Virginia because of his name.

The move was made in the wake of the recent protests in Charlottesville, but conservative commentators criticized ESPN for what they deemed political correctness gone awry, in part because Lee is Asian-American.

Clay Travis of the sports website Outkick the Coverage broke the news Tuesday in an article with the headline "MSESPN Pulls Asian Announcer Named Robert Lee Off UVa Game To Avoid Offending Idiots." "MSESPN" is a reference to what critics view as ESPN's liberal bias along the same lines of MSNBC.

A statement from an anonymous ESPN executive said the decision was simply made to avoid Lee becoming the subject of "memes and jokes and who knows what else."

Skipper went further in explaining the decision, saying it was made by a production staff outside of Bristol, that Lee had expressed concern with the assignment, and blaming the hoopla over the decision on 'someone with a personal agenda.'"

Here is the memo, via Brian Stelter of CNN:

"Given the amount of media attention being generated by one of the countless, routine decisions our local production teams make every day, I wanted to make sure you have the facts. There was never any concern - by anyone, at any level - that Robert Lee's name would offend anyone watching the Charlottesville game.
"Among our Charlotte production staff there was a question as to whether - in these divisive times - Robert's assignment might create a distraction, or even worse, expose him to social hectoring and trolling. Since Robert was their primary concern, they consulted with him directly. He expressed some personal trepidation about the assignment and, when offered the chance to do the Youngstown State/Pitt game instead, opted for that game - in part because he lives in Albany and would be able to get home to his family on Saturday evening.

Sorry. It was kind of sort of his call.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 25, 2017, 10:55:35
Hey Tune. How ya doin?

Back to my roots, traded a chair and screen for my old hammer and nails doing remodel shit on my own... bikes are feelin lonely but winter is coming.

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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 25, 2017, 23:15:24
Confederate Motorcycles now changing their name.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 27, 2017, 16:43:44
Confederate Motorcycles now changing their name.

The Confederate Air Force did the same, but 15+ years ago, to cries of political correctness run amok. Nobody seems to care now.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 27, 2017, 16:48:30
How about that Arpaio pardon? Someone convicted of violating the principles of the Constitution, with a history of racist policies and of degrading treatment toward prisoners. Ouch. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 27, 2017, 20:50:34
How about that Arpaio pardon? Someone convicted of violating the principles of the Constitution, with a history of racist policies and of degrading treatment toward prisoners. Ouch.
I don't know about that one.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Aug 28, 2017, 14:01:19
That one is a no brainer. Chump decided to send a message that as first Emir of these disunited sates, he and his buds can do whatever they want - or what he wants and he has the power of all kings and dictators to do whatever he wants.  He is above teh law.  He is such a winner that maybe he thinks he is a god.

Approve or disapprove of Sheriff Joe, he was convicted in a court of law and has the right to appeal. At this stage he has not even been sentenced yet. So for El Preidente to step in now and pardon him seems to be completely inappropriate and is a combination of political stunt and to send a warning that he and anyone he likes is above the law. Sad.  Very sad.

In a few short months the US has gone from being seen by many as a flawed but generally OK country that leads from the front, to being seen as a petty, failing dictatorship.

There have been a few books and articles written about fallen empires and how the end for the US as a major power is inevitable.  I doubt any of those authors saw it coming so fast.  Sessions and Trump now want to make it into a military state and want to give police forces even more military equipment so they can rigidly enforce the law on anyone that gets out of line. 

Not a good time to be not rich or not white.  Of course over time as the economy falters and civil unrest grows, those billionaire buddies he is trying to impress will be less happy too, so I guess in the end everyone loses out to some degree. That sounds more like a Bannon plan. 

Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 28, 2017, 14:18:34
How about that Arpaio pardon? Someone convicted of violating the principles of the Constitution, with a history of racist policies and of degrading treatment toward prisoners. Ouch.

This is just the left claiming that Trump is a racist or racist sympathizer. Nothing to see here, move along.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 28, 2017, 14:44:07
@ SavOr: Really? Do you know much about this man's past, his policies, and the judgment against levied by the US District Court? Or his furthering of the birther conspiracy, wholly rooted in racism? The more the right accuses the left of fabricating racism in cases where racism clearly played a role, the more the right looks like it's pretty blind to individual and institutional racism. Sort of like Donny saying there were some good people among those neo-nazis and white sympathizers. Aside from racism, Arpaio is a sadist. I don't expect you or anyone else here to be particularly familiar with theories of punishment, incarceration, etc., but holding a higher moral ground over those you imprison is generally considered a good thing. Look up Arpaio's record of abuses as well as the dollar amount of judgments levied against him. I lived in Arizona for two decades; aside from the conviction the only good thing about Arpaio was the fact that he was finally voted out.

@ teaser: And, most disturbingly, it is a clear message to Trump cronies that you can lie on the stand and if you're convicted he will pardon you. This is a pardon for a violation of the Constitution. You're right about authors and the inevitability of decline, I just hope this is a bump in the road and not the spiral going down the toilet.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 28, 2017, 16:03:34
No, not really. It hilarious when Trump debunks his defenders, and he does so systematically through his own incompetence.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 28, 2017, 16:47:42
No, not really. It hilarious when Trump debunks his defenders, and he does so systematically through his own incompetence.

Sorry, my sarcasm meter has obviously run out of juice and I'm low on sleep...
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 29, 2017, 19:14:04
That one is a no brainer. Chump decided to send a message that as first Emir of these disunited sates, he and his buds can do whatever they want - or what he wants and he has the power of all kings and dictators to do whatever he wants.  He is above teh law.  He is such a winner that maybe he thinks he is a god.

Approve or disapprove of Sheriff Joe, he was convicted in a court of law and has the right to appeal. At this stage he has not even been sentenced yet. So for El Preidente to step in now and pardon him seems to be completely inappropriate and is a combination of political stunt and to send a warning that he and anyone he likes is above the law. Sad.  Very sad.

In a few short months the US has gone from being seen by many as a flawed but generally OK country that leads from the front, to being seen as a petty, failing dictatorship.

There have been a few books and articles written about fallen empires and how the end for the US as a major power is inevitable.  I doubt any of those authors saw it coming so fast.  Sessions and Trump now want to make it into a military state and want to give police forces even more military equipment so they can rigidly enforce the law on anyone that gets out of line. 

Not a good time to be not rich or not white.  Of course over time as the economy falters and civil unrest grows, those billionaire buddies he is trying to impress will be less happy too, so I guess in the end everyone loses out to some degree. That sounds more like a Bannon plan.

The reason it's "disunited" is because the left lost the election and for some reason needs to blame US Deplorables.

Do you really want to compare presidential pardons?

I'm white and Indian not rich or poor... I earn my way and so should everyone else. I don't see any economic crisis any time soon, fear mongering has always been the governments job... now it's been taken over by the Liberal Left AKA Snowflakes.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 29, 2017, 22:18:39
Do you really want to compare presidential pardons?

Absolutely, what do you have?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sonreir on Aug 30, 2017, 13:47:08
The reason it's "disunited" is because the left lost the election and for some reason needs to blame US Deplorables.

So it was all candy canes and rainbows when Obama was in office?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 30, 2017, 20:52:18
Absolutely, what do you have?

Oscar Lopez Rivera.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 30, 2017, 20:54:33
So it was all candy canes and rainbows when Obama was in office?

Well seems Trump gets the blame for Bary's obvious racist intent to piss off the blacks.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Aug 30, 2017, 22:00:29
Oscar Lopez Rivera.


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Obama commuted his sentence.  He didn't pardon him. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Aug 31, 2017, 08:40:41
Obama commuted his sentence.  He didn't pardon him.

Ok. Still should of been hung imo.

But the fact Joe was pardoned won't end democracy and certainly the guy did far more good than bad. Prison should be hell not a hotel, maybe we would have less idiots in jail if we had more Joes.




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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 31, 2017, 11:39:16
Ok. Still should of been hung imo.

But the fact Joe was pardoned won't end democracy and certainly the guy did far more good than bad. Prison should be hell not a hotel, maybe we would have less idiots in jail if we had more Joes.

Not a great job there, Tuna, was expecting better from you. You know, like someone who swore to uphold the constitution but repeatedly violated it, someone who did such a shitty job they cost their employer millions, someone who was a racist who bragged about running concentration camps and who was pardoned before he was sentenced. That's the apt comparison I'm looking for, not a 75-year-old who did half his life in jail and who's sentence was commuted so he could die at home.

"Bary's obvious racist intent to piss off the blacks" (sic) -- definitely wasn't the preponderance of cell phone footage of POC being gunned down by police or neighborhood watch guys, being choked to death, being shot while being a kid in a playground, or any of that nonsense, or the fact that courts don't convict. Or the exposure that Ferguson was targeting POC for revenue. Or the fact that Trump praised people who marched with neo-nazis and white supremacists as some good people? Definitely none of that. What did "Bary" do again? It's been so long I've forgotten how he stoked the fires of race war.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 31, 2017, 11:41:42
Well seems Trump gets the blame for Bary's obvious racist intent to piss off the blacks.


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Not that Obama had some secret plot to piss of African Americans, but even if he did, how would that be racist?

Trump supporters were angry over Obama's response to Katrina victims, but Trump failed to meet even a single Harvey victim. Where's the empathy of him? If he's such a great guy he could slum it up with some normal people for a minute or two.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 31, 2017, 11:48:47
Not that Obama had some secret plot to piss of African Americans, but even if he did, how would that be racist?

Trump supporters were angry over Obama's response to Katrina victims, but Trump failed to meet even a single Harvey victim. Where's the empathy of him? If he's such a great guy he could slum it up with some normal people for a minute or two.

Not sure if that was sarcasm...

But Obama wasn't in office during Katrina
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Aug 31, 2017, 11:51:21
Not sure if that was sarcasm...

But Obama wasn't in office during Katrina

This is one of the funniest things going lately. By funny I mean completely dumbfounding.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Aug 31, 2017, 11:52:54
Not sure if that was sarcasm...

But Obama wasn't in office during Katrina

Not sarcasm. Trump supporters were literally complaining that Obama's response to Katrina was worse than Trumps response to Harvey. This despite the fact that he wasn't president for another three years. These are the people who voted for Trump.

Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 01, 2017, 23:29:53
Uniting America - one newspaper at a time:

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/ (http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/)



Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 02, 2017, 12:32:10
You all keep forgetting the fact that I stated several times... I associate the Name Trump as a movement not a man. Wearing blinders and not even considering what this has done FOR America will never make you or your drivel correct.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: farmer92 on Sep 02, 2017, 12:42:55
You all keep forgetting the fact that I stated several times... I associate the Name Trump as a movement not a man. Wearing blinders and not even considering what this has done FOR America will never make you or your drivel correct.



What exactly has this Trump "movement" done for America that was beneficial?

I haven't seen too much improvement from where I sit, but I'm on the outside looking in.

What would you describe the Trump movement as?

Just wondering how someone who supported the movement see's it.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 02, 2017, 13:38:34

What exactly has this Trump "movement" done for America that was beneficial?

I haven't seen too much improvement from where I sit, but I'm on the outside looking in.

What would you describe the Trump movement as?

Just wondering how someone who supported the movement see's it.

I've been asking that first question here since he was elected, and nobody seems able to answer it. Trump has taken credit for the economy and jobs, but the economy is still reflected Obama-era policy, and jobs as well (despite the claim of some pundits that these are Trump accomplishments). Emboldened white nationalists and racists? Some people would herald those as accomplishments -- but not me or likely most people here. Created an environment ripe for (literally physically) attacking POC and other minorities? Again, some people might find that an accomplishment, but not many people here. Set back American diplomacy with Europe, Mexico, and just about everywhere else and threatened North Korea with belligerence? I guess if you have little understanding about how the government is supposed to function you might think that leaving critical positions unfilled is an accomplishment. Ah... I've got one. He's accomplished the most turnarounds, firings, dismissals and resignations of cabinet and other important positions. So there's that. He hasn't engineered the complete collapse of the economy or the government, so there's that too. American institutions seem to be holding up despite his desire to work around them, that's an accomplishment.

But really, I'm interested in hearing this list of accomplishments because, clearly, I'm an idiotic naysayer. So let's have 'em.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Sep 02, 2017, 14:58:04
I guess if you have little understanding about how the government is supposed to function you might think that leaving critical positions unfilled is an accomplishment.
We might need to add The Freedom Caucus to the question...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/08/28/harvey-shows-the-anti-government-crowds-utter-hypocrisy/?nid&utm_term=.76ba2b5f90a1
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Sep 02, 2017, 15:05:38
As for Confederate memorials, maybe we should take a cue from the Bulgarians...

(http://i2.wp.com/www.creativevisualart.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/monument-soviet-army-sofia-106.jpg?w=800)

Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 02, 2017, 15:30:25
We might need to add The Freedom Caucus to the question...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/08/28/harvey-shows-the-anti-government-crowds-utter-hypocrisy/?nid&utm_term=.76ba2b5f90a1

Absolutely. Ted Cruz's opposition to government aid that he so eloquently opposed during Sandy has vanished now that his home state is affected.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 03, 2017, 14:52:55

What exactly has this Trump "movement" done for America that was beneficial?

I haven't seen too much improvement from where I sit, but I'm on the outside looking in.

What would you describe the Trump movement as?

Just wondering how someone who supported the movement see's it.
Exposed a mountain of corruption amongst them "all" and has created a political awareness you will never see again in my lifetime for sure, if Hillary would of won... nothing but crickets and status quo.

We will never be silenced again.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 03, 2017, 14:57:26
I've been asking that first question here since he was elected, and nobody seems able to answer it. Trump has taken credit for the economy and jobs, but the economy is still reflected Obama-era policy, and jobs as well (despite the claim of some pundits that these are Trump accomplishments). Emboldened white nationalists and racists? Some people would herald those as accomplishments -- but not me or likely most people here. Created an environment ripe for (literally physically) attacking POC and other minorities? Again, some people might find that an accomplishment, but not many people here. Set back American diplomacy with Europe, Mexico, and just about everywhere else and threatened North Korea with belligerence? I guess if you have little understanding about how the government is supposed to function you might think that leaving critical positions unfilled is an accomplishment. Ah... I've got one. He's accomplished the most turnarounds, firings, dismissals and resignations of cabinet and other important positions. So there's that. He hasn't engineered the complete collapse of the economy or the government, so there's that too. American institutions seem to be holding up despite his desire to work around them, that's an accomplishment.

But really, I'm interested in hearing this list of accomplishments because, clearly, I'm an idiotic naysayer. So let's have 'em.
You are completely brainwashed.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: farmer92 on Sep 03, 2017, 15:20:51
Exposed a mountain of corruption amongst them "all" and has created a political awareness you will never see again in my lifetime for sure, if Hillary would of won... nothing but crickets and status quo.

We will never be silenced again.


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I though the corruption was pretty blatant personally, but i concur that he has helped raised political awareness.

If i may, i'd like to offer 2 similar anecdotes from our past elections in canada and quebec.

First in quebec:
The liberal party had many corruption scandals, plus the "printemps rouge" student protests. So at the next election many who would have voted for them in the past changed to either the quebecois party or the C.A.Q.
This led to the quebecois party being given a minority out of protest mostly.
They did so badly, that when they held the next election trying to secure a majority, they were crushed, completely. Liberal majority.

Second, canada 2011:
People must have been sick of the constant liberal/conservative stupidity because many more people voted ndp, for a slim conservative majority. At the end of this, people were so sick of the conservatives that many people who wanted to vote ndp voted liberal just to be sure that the conservatives would lose. Outcome, liberal majority.


You may be asking "what the hell does that have to do with the good ol' U.S. Of A. ?"

My point is that if trump can't get his shit together, and he runs again in 2020, he will not only lose, but be crushed, overwhelmingly.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 03, 2017, 16:08:48
You are completely brainwashed.

Totes, I am completely brainwashed.

So help me out here, what's so great? What's he accomplished? I just want a couple things. You can't seem to provide any except that I'm brainwashed, which -- I'll be honest here boo -- sounds a little like projection.

The whole "he's-exposed-a-mountain-of-corruption" is rich, given the fact that he's using his office to enrich himself and is currently under investigation.

I know you don't read much (at all?) because, you know, all the news is fake, but here's a little of what you missed this past week. Felix Sater, one of Trump's business buddies, wrote to Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer, during the campaign and promised to engineer a real estate deal in Russia with Putin that would get Putin on Trump's side and help him win the election. Trump made a campaign-style stop in Houston, in which he praised the crowds (many of whom were actually protesting his appearance) but didn't once mention the deaths due to the storm. He also said the storm and people's actions were "wonderful to watch." He has also ratcheted up rhetoric with North Korea, and after N Korea claimed it tested an H-bomb (likely false), Trump laid into South Korea and threatened to withdraw from a long-term trade agreement. I know you think this is all great stuff, boo, but help me understand why.   
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 03, 2017, 16:11:43
My point is that if trump can't get his shit together, and he runs again in 2020, he will not only lose, but be crushed, overwhelmingly.

Well, that's if he makes it to 2020. He might. But I'm not holding my breath. He's had 7 months to get his shit together and he's doing the opposite. His approval ratings are so low he would have no chance of winning the next election -- the dems could run a stump and win at this point.

The midterms will be a barometer, but midterms aren't always predictive of national sentiment -- it's a factor, to be sure, but there are also local factors in each election.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 05, 2017, 09:13:18
Dems won't win in 2020 that is impossible and you leftyy's thought you had 2016 in the bag because the Trump was so low in numbers... then the country turned red like the Verizon coverage map LOL... point is, you have no idea what 2020 will bring. I'll vote for the person that will continue to cause the shithouse to run afraid of the people outside.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 05, 2017, 10:28:07
I'll vote for the person that will continue to cause the shithouse to run afraid of the people outside.

Can't argue with that logic.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Sep 06, 2017, 11:22:03
I must be missing something too.  Trump has in fact managed to replace a lot of competent professionals with a bunch of ass kissing idiots in many positions as temporary posts. He has tried to take away health insurance from millions and failed.  His approach to the DPRK is childish and like most bullies full of empty threats. His only other option at this stage is to nuke NK and start WW3 and the end of the world.  Or back down and start acting like an adult. 

The economy looks to be slowing down as does job growth which he has done nothing to change.  Nothing. as in not a thing. 

Let's look at one example. FoxConn are supposed to be going to build a factory in Kenosha WI which will create an initial 3,000 jobs with the possibility of more.  To get that factory built WI has offered a bundle of tax breaks amounting to $3 billion.  That doesn't sound like good economics.  In addition, they are changing the litigation process just for Foxconn to make it easier for them to fight any complaints/lawsuits.   Who is at home there in WI?  Did all the adults leave the room?

Draining the swamp? We wish, but it's not happening. He is the ultimate swamp dweller.  He just replaced one set of swamp creatures with another set. Swamp draining is not on his agenda anytime soon.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Sep 06, 2017, 12:31:37
FoxConn are supposed to be going to build a factory in Kenosha WI which will create an initial 3,000 jobs with the possibility of more.  To get that factory built WI has offered a bundle of tax breaks amounting to $3 billion.  That doesn't sound like good economics.  In addition, they are changing the litigation process just for Foxconn to make it easier for them to fight any complaints/lawsuits.   Who is at home there in WI?  Did all the adults leave the room?
You may not be on base here.  There are other factors you may not be considering.  In the early 90s, BMW built a plant a few miles from my parents' house.  South Carolina gave them significant tax breaks, including making the plant and part of the airport a free trade zone.  Additionally, they built an inland port a few miles away.  In addition to the jobs and training BMW created for the area in their plant, they created thousands of other jobs in the region through the support industries.  At least one member here works for an injection molding company that produces parts for BMW.  Since the plant opened, Greenville SC has become one of the fastest growing cities in the US.  The region has been in a boom for years.  Before the plant was built, they had been in depression from the loss of textile jobs.  At least 95% of the textile mills closed before 1995.  The mill I worked at closed. 
The point I'm making is that while FoxConn may be getting tax breaks, the region will still collect tax revenue through real estate appreciation, sales taxes, support industry, etc.  Restaurants may see boom.  New stores open up.  Schools will get more funding and so on.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 06, 2017, 17:43:30
Be curious to see the income tax figures on 3,000 jobs yearly. As well as the boom it will create for the area. Machine shops will be doing more business, hire more people, buy new machines. There's more tax revenue. More people with jobs = more people spending money. More tax revenue.

Would like to see, say five years down the road, the tax intake compared to the breaks given.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: VonYinzer on Sep 06, 2017, 20:09:53
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/11/542844184/despite-fiscal-warning-wisconsin-plans-to-move-ahead-with-foxconn-deal

Pretty good NPR article about the FoxConn deal. End of the day, it really doesn't seem all that wonderful for the residents of Wis. If nothing else the fact that FoxConn won't have to pay income tax seems like a raw deal for the state. And the fact that (as the Repubs are wont to do) they're basically tossing all enviromental concerns to thw wind, I can't say I'd be thrilled if I lived in that state.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 06, 2017, 20:20:13
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/11/542844184/despite-fiscal-warning-wisconsin-plans-to-move-ahead-with-foxconn-deal

Pretty good NPR article about the FoxConn deal. End of the day, it really doesn't seem all that wonderful for the residents of Wis. If nothing else the fact that FoxConn won't have to pay income tax seems like a raw deal for the state. And the fact that (as the Repubs are wont to do) they're basically tossing all enviromental concerns to thw wind, I can't say I'd be thrilled if I lived in that state.

That's business. They would have taken their 3,000 jobs elsewhere.

We did the same with a HP center. Several thousand jobs. City has grown by 10K since they moved in, new retail, restaurants, new mall being built. New airport was built to accommodate jets, and has filled up twice as full as the old one was with small aircraft. It was good for the city.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Sep 06, 2017, 21:46:18
This is the problem with the impact estimate:  "The estimate focused on the income tax that would be paid by workers at Foxconn because the manufacturer will qualify for a state tax program that exempts it from paying income taxes. It also assumes the facility will hire the maximum number of employees it has projected for the plant: 13,000."

As much as I don't like Walker, he's right about the indirect benefits.  They made the same arguments against the BMW plant, yet I have seen first hand the indirect benefits that plant created.  A major difference with the BMW deal, though, was that they were still required to do preliminary archeological digs and find a place for the artifacts.  So the environmental exemptions weren't offered.  BMW also made a lot of local farmers rich when they offered millions for properties not worth much more than $200 - $300k before the deal. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 06, 2017, 23:43:21
This is the problem with the impact estimate:  "The estimate focused on the income tax that would be paid by workers at Foxconn because the manufacturer will qualify for a state tax program that exempts it from paying income taxes. It also assumes the facility will hire the maximum number of employees it has projected for the plant: 13,000."

As much as I don't like Walker, he's right about the indirect benefits.  They made the same arguments against the BMW plant, yet I have seen first hand the indirect benefits that plant created.  A major difference with the BMW deal, though, was that they were still required to do preliminary archeological digs and find a place for the artifacts.  So the environmental exemptions weren't offered.  BMW also made a lot of local farmers rich when they offered millions for properties not worth much more than $200 - $300k before the deal.
HP laid about 1,500 off here last year. The city told them if they didn't retain a certain number of employees, they would lose their tax benefits. They hired 1,500 people within a couple weeks. It was in their agreement they retained a certain number of employees to achieve tax free status in the city. I would assume similar measures have been taken here.

The land bit is a good one. One of my good friends, is up north of $20M since shit started expanding like crazy. Cow pastures, to cold hard cash.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Sep 07, 2017, 09:41:53
I totally get the demand side economics and have made that argument myself.  The point was that there are better ways to generate jobs for a lot less money and without that environmental impact. And the financial impact study assumed all 13,000 jobs would be created.

For sure WI needs jobs and I love manufacturing jobs - that's my background - and the flow on effect is always underestimated when jobs are lost and over estimated when a new facility comes to town.   

And with that particular deal they specifically allow Foxconn to build on or fill any swamp with impunity.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 07, 2017, 09:58:48
It seems there isn't a way to build large numbers of jobs quickly, and cheaper. Every state and city is fighting to get these plants. With that, comes the deals.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 07, 2017, 18:09:52
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/11/542844184/despite-fiscal-warning-wisconsin-plans-to-move-ahead-with-foxconn-deal

Pretty good NPR article about the FoxConn deal. End of the day, it really doesn't seem all that wonderful for the residents of Wis. If nothing else the fact that FoxConn won't have to pay income tax seems like a raw deal for the state. And the fact that (as the Repubs are wont to do) they're basically tossing all enviromental concerns to thw wind, I can't say I'd be thrilled if I lived in that state.
I took a minute to read this.

I think, if you were a resident of that area that landed a previously unavailable job, you'd be thrilled.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 07, 2017, 22:02:53
Meanwhile, in the courts …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 07, 2017, 23:10:29
Meanwhile, in the courts …

I have been telling people here that at least American institutions seem to be holding... for now.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 08, 2017, 01:32:45
American institutions seem to be holding... for now.

The judiciary seems to be holding the line but the legislators will need to wake up.

In the meantime, those Mexicans don't seem to be taking the fence seriously.
Photograph by Guillermo Arias of an artwork by French artist JR on the US border at Tecate, Mexico
Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 08, 2017, 10:36:19
In the meantime, those Mexicans don't seem to be taking the fence seriously.

They (we?) aren't. Everyone here knows it's just symbolic, and it's a symbol of a shitty attitude toward Mexicans. Public art is everywhere here -- strong tradition of murals, of course -- including a pretty funny billboard of Trump as an alien from "They Live."

(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/borderbaby09072017twitter.jpg?itok=o4dIA0Ab)

(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/597bcd0eb50ab11d008b595a/an-artist-put-up-a-they-live-inspired-billboard-with-an-alien-donald-trump-in-mexico-city.jpg)

Absolutely insane earthquake here last night, strongest in a century. Wildfires, hurricanes, earthquakes -- must be end times.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 08, 2017, 22:27:30
DPRK is Nonconstitutional (yes the spelling IS correct) period. What DJT etal did was exactly what Obama warned about when he committed this act of socialism... stop blaming DJT for something he didn't start, but simply corrected.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 08, 2017, 22:31:13
The judiciary seems to be holding the line but the legislators will need to wake up.

In the meantime, those Mexicans don't seem to be taking the fence seriously.
Photograph by Guillermo Arias of an artwork by French artist JR on the US border at Tecate, Mexico
Crazy
Nearly ever other country on the planet has borer control, why should we even consider and open border policy... it's like the ship is sinking so fill the lifeboat so full it sinks also... idiocy.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 08, 2017, 22:34:55
I have been telling people here that at least American institutions seem to be holding... for now.

It just sets the stage for DJT to do the same as OB1 and bypass the court and congress and use his pen. I don't think anyone wants more of that.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 09, 2017, 13:43:25
DPRK is Nonconstitutional (yes the spelling IS correct) period. What DJT etal did was exactly what Obama warned about when he committed this act of socialism... stop blaming DJT for something he didn't start, but simply corrected.

You're not making any sense. The DPRK has a constitution. What act of socialism did Obama commit toward North Korea? What policy of Obama's toward North Korea is Trump correcting?

Nearly ever other country on the planet has borer control, why should we even consider and open border policy... it's like the ship is sinking so fill the lifeboat so full it sinks also... idiocy.

The US currently does have border control, although if the US does actually try to build that idiotic wall they will certainly need "borer" control. An ineffective and expensive wall is not "border control." Nobody sensible is claiming the US should have open borders -- this is right wing hyperbole and exaggeration meant to stoke fear, much of it based on racism (They're bad hombres. They're rapists). The repeal of DACA is essentially people who came to the US as kids, grew up in the US and view it as their home, and know no other country, and kicking them out to appease a white nationalist base. DACA kids are no more likely to commit crimes than any other demographic, and right now right wing media such as Brietbart and the Washington Examiner are spreading lies and misinformation about this.

I mean, it's tough to keep somewhat informed but it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 11, 2017, 09:33:21
Sign of the times (outside a bookshop):
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Sep 11, 2017, 12:19:53
I suspect that Autocorrect changed DACA to DPRK in Tune's post.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 11, 2017, 13:37:11
I suspect that Autocorrect changed DACA to DPRK in Tune's post.

Still doesn't make any sense!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Sep 12, 2017, 02:18:05
I think he was saying that Obama's creation of DACA was unconstitutional and that Trump was simply undoing  something that he argues was not the way that rules should be introduced, so don't blame Trump for that.  I think that's the argument. 

However, since congress can't seem to get anything passed, what's a president to do?

It seems to me that times have changed and while congress was incapable of getting immigration reform done - it's complex - maybe the country generally feels differently now and maybe this time congress will manage to pass something.



Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 12, 2017, 10:10:30
OK, sure, I get it, but 71% of dems and 46% (a plurality) of reps support DACA. Fifty-six percent of the general population supports DACA, 18% support legal residency, and only 15% support deportation, according to polls. Trump campaigned on dreamers not having anything to worry about (add yet another lie, I suppose). And evidence shows that dreamers don't commit a higher proportion of crimes that others (and if they commit serious crimes, they lose their status and can be deported), and they work.

But asserting that it's socialism? How does that work? Asserting that because it's "nonconstitutional" it shouldn't be policy? Does every policy have to be explicitly mentioned in the Constitution for it to be valid? DPRK aside, these are things that don't make any sense.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 12, 2017, 14:51:40
OK, sure, I get it, but 71% of dems and 46% (a plurality) of reps support DACA. Fifty-six percent of the general population supports DACA, 18% support legal residency, and only 15% support deportation, according to polls. Trump campaigned on dreamers not having anything to worry about (add yet another lie, I suppose). And evidence shows that dreamers don't commit a higher proportion of crimes that others (and if they commit serious crimes, they lose their status and can be deported), and they work.

But asserting that it's socialism? How does that work? Asserting that because it's "nonconstitutional" it shouldn't be policy? Does every policy have to be explicitly mentioned in the Constitution for it to be valid? DPRK aside, these are things that don't make any sense.

Regardless of who supports what, it's Congress' job to pass legislation in regards to it. Trump has put the ball in their court.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 12, 2017, 16:48:32
Regardless of who supports what, it's Congress' job to pass legislation in regards to it. Trump has put the ball in their court.

True, to a degree -- congress will need to pass legislation or pass the buck. But the Trump administration is refusing new applications so it is already affecting people. And permits will begin expiring March 6, 2018, unless something is done. Imagine living here your whole life and not knowing where you will be in 6 months?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 12, 2017, 17:26:18
True, to a degree -- congress will need to pass legislation or pass the buck. But the Trump administration is refusing new applications so it is already affecting people. And permits will begin expiring March 6, 2018, unless something is done. Imagine living here your whole life and not knowing where you will be in 6 months?
I get that. That's the sole purpose of Congress. They need to do their job.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 12, 2017, 23:38:51
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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 13, 2017, 04:02:20
Master of the non sequitur!

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 14, 2017, 09:10:40
Ope... y'all got the Pope on yer side now, guess you really want to wipe ass with our constitution now. ❄️'s and winters coming


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 14, 2017, 11:13:45
Ope... y'all got the Pope on yer side now, guess you really want to wipe ass with our constitution now. ❄️'s and winters coming
I think the pope hasn't been happy with Donald Trump from day one. There was the whole sexual assault thing, the affairs, the unfettered greed coupled with ripping people off, the white supremacy, you know, the sort of "non-Christian" stuff that Trump does that doesn't seem to bother his evangelical base, and the kind of stuff that Trump supporters seem to be willing to overlook because he's done such a great job. Remind me again, what are some of his accomplishments? You're cute when you're all deflecty, boo! 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 14, 2017, 11:56:33
I think the pope hasn't been happy with Donald Trump from day one. There was the whole sexual assault thing, the affairs, the unfettered greed coupled with ripping people off, the white supremacy, you know, the sort of "non-Christian" stuff that Trump does that doesn't seem to bother his evangelical base, and the kind of stuff that Trump supporters seem to be willing to overlook because he's done such a great job. Remind me again, what are some of his accomplishments? You're cute when you're all deflecty, boo!
The Pope has enough sexual assault to worry about in his own house.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 14, 2017, 13:30:37
The Pope has enough sexual assault to worry about in his own house.

Absolutely true, but doesn't stop him from pontification (har har) on the sexual assaults of others. At least this one pays lip service to the preferential option for the poor a la Vatican II.

** I should also mention that it appears as though Drumpf is working on DACA deal with dems, and the right (including Breitbart!) has now turned on him, prompting Skeletor -- I mean Ann Coulter -- to tweet "At this point,who DOESN'T want Trump impeached?" Our beloved Tuna is clearly one, but of course there's that whole can of worms about a Pence presidency too...
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 14, 2017, 20:40:29
Personally, I don't think DACA was anything other than forcing Congress to do their job.

Could be a win for the Right, if they get it done. Pass legislation that gives you the minority vote.
Title: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 14, 2017, 23:17:53
I think the pope hasn't been happy with Donald Trump from day one. There was the whole sexual assault thing, the affairs, the unfettered greed coupled with ripping people off, the white supremacy, you know, the sort of "non-Christian" stuff that Trump does that doesn't seem to bother his evangelical base, and the kind of stuff that Trump supporters seem to be willing to overlook because he's done such a great job. Remind me again, what are some of his accomplishments? You're cute when you're all deflecty, boo!

This sexual harassment is getting old... I'm not your boo, I'm not even gay. Never will understand why gay men always think they can convert a heterosexual man... we don't respond to the peanut butter the same as your dog you know.

Trump has done very well at aggravating people like you, I call that BIG win.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: runmikeyrun on Sep 15, 2017, 14:03:29

Trump has done very well at aggravating people like you, I call that BIG win.


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Kinda sums up what this whole thing is about for a lot of Trump supporters- we just do whatever we want because it makes you mad.  100% childish.  It's incredible to me what people are willing to flush down the toilet just to spite someone else.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 15, 2017, 15:42:50
Kinda sums up what this whole thing is about for a lot of Trump supporters- we just do whatever we want because it makes you mad.  100% childish.  It's incredible to me what people are willing to flush down the toilet just to spite someone else.


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The entire political set up is childish.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 15, 2017, 17:27:13
Kinda reminds me of this one.

And yeah, chicken, cool it with the "boo" thing. You're skirting the line with that.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 15, 2017, 22:13:59
This sexual harassment is getting old... I'm not your boo, I'm not even gay. Never will understand why gay men always think they can convert a heterosexual man... we don't respond to the peanut butter the same as your dog you know.

Sorry guy, never wanted you to feel sexually harassed, I guess it's not just us snowflakes who have feelings, right? Not sure that gay men always think they can convert heterosexual men, but I appreciate the comparison to dogs.

And yeah, chicken, cool it with the "boo" thing. You're skirting the line with that.

Will do, I'll stick to manly insults from now on!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 20, 2017, 11:54:22
I am childish, I still love toys and playing in the mud 🤷🏼‍♂️


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Sep 20, 2017, 13:22:30
SMH...
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Sep 27, 2017, 19:31:15
Just 'cuz everyone has their panties in a bunch taking sides on the whole NFL (NBA, MLB) stupidity and how black people just never find the right moment to protest, thought I'd share a few things that people may find interesting (and no, it's not more of the nuclear brinkmanship with North Korea or even KJU calling Trump a dotard!).

You know how angry Trump supporters were over Clinton's emails (even though she wasn't found criminally negligible)? Jared Kushner and others have been using a private email servers for White House business. Conspicuously absent are calls from the right to "Lock them up."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/26/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-staff-private-email-official-white-house-work

Did you know Kushner is registered to vote as a woman? His issues filling out security clearance paperwork correctly and truthfully apparently fit to other important documents as well (unless he actually is a woman, and hey, I'm not judging).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4926016/Jared-Kushner-registered-vote-New-York-WOMAN.html

Manafort is preparing to be indicted, but that shouldn't be too surprising given the warrant served in July.

Trump has refused to lift shipping restrictions that would help Puerto Rico recover (obviously not because they're "brown", right?), although DHS is now increasing pressure to do so.

And Roy Moore won in Alabama.

Here in CDMX we are still recovering from the earthquake. I'm guessing a US recovery will take much longer. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 28, 2017, 10:12:48
Is this guy someone famous?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 28, 2017, 11:20:44
Is this guy someone famous?
Yes.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 28, 2017, 18:23:23
Yes.

I've got out of touch!

I must be getting old.

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2017, 02:47:47
Mr. Smooth (or is that Ms.?)
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Sep 29, 2017, 08:43:52
Mr. Smooth (or is that Ms.?)

I hope they file charges... then Hillary can have that stroke she's fearing.


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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Sep 29, 2017, 12:03:58
Hillary, Ivanka, and Jared can share a room in the cardiac unit.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Sep 29, 2017, 13:49:32
Not as bad as the Tax plan that gives nothing at the bottom end but save Trump millions.  And later this year the congress will demand huge cuts to "entitlements" because the deficit is blowing out.  And that will hurt those same people that voted for that snake oil salesman. 

What is missing in all of this is a vision for how exactly Trump and his motley crew think that will Make America Gay Again (Will and Grace according to the news).  What industries or sectors will thrive, what will be done to promote innovation?  Check out the Chinese plan to dominate in areas that the US used to lead - technology, clean energy etc.

Our plan seems to be screw the rest of the world, we are going back to the good old days.  There is no plan and it shows in the Healthcare debacle and in the latest Tax stupidity. The Donald is not a visionary or a leader.  He is transactional and not transformational and that is not enough.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Sep 29, 2017, 14:06:08
Not as bad as the Tax plan that gives nothing at the bottom end but save Trump millions.  And later this year the congress will demand huge cuts to "entitlements" because the deficit is blowing out.  And that will hurt those same people that voted for that snake oil salesman. 

What is missing in all of this is a vision for how exactly Trump and his motley crew think that will Make America Gay Again (Will and Grace according to the news).  What industries or sectors will thrive, what will be done to promote innovation?  Check out the Chinese plan to dominate in areas that the US used to lead - technology, clean energy etc.

Our plan seems to be screw the rest of the world, we are going back to the good old days.  There is no plan and it shows in the Healthcare debacle and in the latest Tax stupidity. The Donald is not a visionary or a leader.  He is transactional and not transformational and that is not enough.

Well that tax plan gives a nice bump in overall taxes paid for the poorest earners. That's something. MAGA!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 29, 2017, 15:59:50
Not as bad as the Tax plan that gives nothing at the bottom end but save Trump millions.  And later this year the congress will demand huge cuts to "entitlements" because the deficit is blowing out.  And that will hurt those same people that voted for that snake oil salesman. 

What is missing in all of this is a vision for how exactly Trump and his motley crew think that will Make America Gay Again (Will and Grace according to the news).  What industries or sectors will thrive, what will be done to promote innovation?  Check out the Chinese plan to dominate in areas that the US used to lead - technology, clean energy etc.

Our plan seems to be screw the rest of the world, we are going back to the good old days.  There is no plan and it shows in the Healthcare debacle and in the latest Tax stupidity. The Donald is not a visionary or a leader.  He is transactional and not transformational and that is not enough.
Manufacturing is busier than it has been in the last 4-5 years, by a large margin. Everybody is hiring, everybody is busy as can be. Yet, we struggle to find skilled labor to take on the extra work. Except for oil and gas shops. They're rather slow.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 29, 2017, 16:00:46
Hillary, Ivanka, and Jared can share a room in the cardiac unit.
I'll gladly share a room with Ivanka, being that's my name and all.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Sep 29, 2017, 18:51:12
Your name is J-Rod10, not even close to Jared.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 29, 2017, 20:53:23
another one bites the dust …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 29, 2017, 22:43:57
Your name is J-Rod10, not even close to Jared.
Lol.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Sav0r on Sep 30, 2017, 02:44:43
Price made it 23 Mooches, a new record?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Sep 30, 2017, 11:21:58
American companies are gearing up for a tariff on machine tools, as rumors of a tariff on Canada's Bombardier Aircraft, create fear. Obama was the Great Gun Salesman, Trump is now the Great Machine Tool Salesman! I am slammed with work, five of us are trying to cover seven states. I could pay off a nice Bentley in five years just on Federal taxes alone.

The Puma SMX 3100, is a dual spindle multi axis machine that can make a complicated large part in one setup. What used to take several operations on several machines, can be accomplished in one now.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 30, 2017, 12:26:58
American companies are gearing up for a tariff on machine tools, as rumors of a tariff on Canada's Bombardier Aircraft, create fear. Obama was the Great Gun Salesman, Trump is now the Great Machine Tool Salesman! I am slammed with work, five of us are trying to cover seven states. I could pay off a nice Bentley in five years just on Federal taxes alone.

The Puma SMX 3100, is a dual spindle multi axis machine that can make a complicated large part in one setup. What used to take several operations on several machines, can be accomplished in one now.
You a Doosan rep? Stellar machines. Been talking to the salesman over my area about a DNM500II.

Out of curiosity, what's the sticker on that SMX?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 30, 2017, 17:55:00
At least Tom Price has plenty of company!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Sep 30, 2017, 17:56:27
Not forgetting those in supporting roles …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Sep 30, 2017, 22:48:46
You a Doosan rep? Stellar machines. Been talking to the salesman over my area about a DNM500II.

Out of curiosity, what's the sticker on that SMX?

I think about $625,000, I'm a service engineer. Doosan is a company that actually takes field recommendations and employs them. Forced lubricated spindles will last a lifetime over grease packed, roller linears over ball, are almost as rigid as boxways. Most cases are as rigid. Hydraulic systems have been eliminated on most mills now. 
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 03, 2017, 23:42:44
the 'Mooch' gets weird(er)!

Keeping up the tradition of not knowing what he's doing.

https://twitter.com/ScaramucciPost (https://twitter.com/ScaramucciPost)
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 10, 2017, 22:22:28
everyone wants to be an author!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: jag767 on Oct 11, 2017, 04:56:58
everyone wants to be an author!


Hahahahaha that's fantastic!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 17, 2017, 17:54:01
The "ban" banned (again)!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Oct 17, 2017, 18:52:32
Speaking of the Mooch -- apparently his twitter account posted a poll yesterday asking how many Jews were killed in the holocaust, after posting an ad for an Anne Frank Halloween costume.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 17, 2017, 19:46:02
Speaking of the Mooch …

and polls about nuclear first strikes …

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Oct 18, 2017, 00:48:54
And I keep going back to what I read about Will and Grace.  Make America Gay Again........... That would drive them all nuts..

I saw a Tee Shirt yesterday that said something like:

The universe is
Made up of Neutrons
Electrons
and Morons


Almost got it right... https://www.etsy.com/listing/251699202/funny-science-t-shirt-the-universe-is?gpla=1&gao=1&utm_campaign=shopping_us_HappyHeadTees_sfc_osa&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_custom1=0&utm_content=7752704&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzN_agKL51gIVDIFpCh0JVAU0EAQYASABEgKv5vD_BwE


Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 28, 2017, 02:10:09
Some people are going to have an anxious weekend …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Oct 28, 2017, 14:14:05
Hmm, Comey is fired then he starts a special investigation, to prevent lost research. Fox is non-stop Uranium One, and Hillary's emails. Kind of like a car heading off a cliff, and changing the radio station to prevent the accident. Hannity is going off the rails over corrupt CIA, FBI, and DOJ. I think his pet is in trouble.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Oct 28, 2017, 17:46:51
Hmm, Comey is fired then he starts a special investigation, to prevent lost research. Fox is non-stop Uranium One, and Hillary's emails. Kind of like a car heading off a cliff, and changing the radio station to prevent the accident. Hannity is going off the rails over corrupt CIA, FBI, and DOJ. I think his pet is in trouble.

It's amazing that there are still so many Republicans who get in line behind Trump knowing how stupid and badly (criminally?) behaved he is because they think their agenda is advancing.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 29, 2017, 21:57:46
"How to Win Friends and Influence People"
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 29, 2017, 22:36:44
a momentous occasion!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Oct 30, 2017, 10:17:43
I have a hard time getting excited about Manafort's  arrest. It's a flaw in the system. If there is a crime, it will come to light. The tax money on endless investigations on Hillary Clinton, she murdered 96 people, The Clinton Foundation finances terrorists constantly spewed by a few talking heads, that unfortunately, have Trump's full attention as being true.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Oct 30, 2017, 10:49:10
"How to Win Friends and Influence People"
People take things so literally these days. Someone uses a metaphor, all of a sudden he called us inmates, let's protest that too.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 30, 2017, 16:02:37
They used tax evasion to get Al Capone …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Oct 30, 2017, 20:54:57
Guilty
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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Oct 30, 2017, 20:55:25
They used tax evasion to get Al Capone …
This shit is about to get wild.

Nail one of Trump's guys, mostly for what he did while working for The Podesta Group, which was Hillary's guy. One of the Podesta brothers resigned today. Rumor is they are one of the companies labeled A & B in the indictment. Kushner hops a flight, unannounced, this weekend to a non extradition country when it comes out that shit is going down Monday.

All in all, I think many, from both sides of the isle, are going down in this. May it be a marvelous ball of fire.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 05, 2017, 15:50:59
Ha!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2017, 05:26:08
Deranged …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 06, 2017, 05:31:08
numbers …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 14, 2017, 20:09:49
Moore is less …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: irk miller on Nov 15, 2017, 01:19:30
Moore is less …

They may very well put Sessions in his place.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 16, 2017, 07:00:25
The sky is falling!

Facts on Fox:
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 17, 2017, 01:17:51
What can be said about JK?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 24, 2017, 05:21:39
It might be getting interesting!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 24, 2017, 19:50:11
Turkey.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 25, 2017, 18:22:55
Fake news!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: The Limey on Nov 25, 2017, 23:11:43
Well, look on the bright side.  He's not Obama.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 25, 2017, 23:14:49
Ha!

Crazy
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Nov 26, 2017, 10:23:49
He put himself on anyway, here's his, posted in his golf resorts. Reminds you of the Wild Ones, when Marlon Brando stole a trophy, and strapped it to his Thunderbird.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Nov 28, 2017, 01:49:23
Stand-up lost a star when he went to politics:
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 02, 2017, 20:54:26
Regrets?

18 July 2016

Having established himself as a fiery surrogate for candidate Donald Trump, at the Republican national convention in Cleveland Michael Flynn leads the crowd in chants of ‘Lock her up!’ directed against Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton

Photograph: Alex Wong/Getty Images
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Dec 03, 2017, 01:26:40
Groan...another Trump University grad? STeven T. MNuchin
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: doc_rot on Dec 03, 2017, 03:14:03
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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: jag767 on Dec 03, 2017, 08:28:33
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I thought it before I even saw this yesterday. I think they already came out and said he didn't send the tweet. I say Mueller should subpoena twitter to find out where it originated. When it shows it came from his phone, they should charge his fat ass.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 03, 2017, 08:50:32
An interesting item from Flynn's plea deal:
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Dec 03, 2017, 16:26:48
The whole Trump wrecking crew that have filled the swamp should be in jail before they do any more damage to the US and the rest of the world..
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: datadavid on Dec 05, 2017, 16:24:05
The whole Trump wrecking crew that have filled the swamp should be in jail before they do any more damage to the US and the rest of the world..
Oh god no, the entertainments just too good. He has the pc crowd over here screaming their lungs out daily. News are all trump this, trump that. We hardly have time for domestic news anymore. Our politicians must be overjoyed, they dont even have to cover up their suicidally stupid shit anymore.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: Scooter trash on Dec 05, 2017, 20:30:20
When both parties are pervs, but you know...Jesus's mother was 14 too? Where was that in the Bible?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 21, 2017, 21:30:52
Perhaps people don't like being bullied and threatened …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 24, 2017, 02:31:06
Ha!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 26, 2017, 21:15:26
“This is infinity here. It could be infinity. We don’t really don’t know. But it could be. It has to be something – but it could be infinity, right?”

Partly explains Buzz Aldrin's expression …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 29, 2017, 21:09:17
I thought the Mexicans were paying for it …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 01, 2018, 15:50:31
Happy New Year!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 04, 2018, 16:22:46
They're beyond parody!
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Jan 04, 2018, 16:37:30
It's pretty surreal watching this shitshow unfold from Mexico.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 06, 2018, 18:32:23
I feel reassured …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: datadavid on Jan 07, 2018, 08:13:53
I feel reassured …
Psychopathic megalomania anyone?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 08, 2018, 20:21:23
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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 09, 2018, 15:49:45
It's going to be an interesting year …
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 09, 2018, 17:45:39
not unexpected:
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 11, 2018, 21:27:03
POTUS talk:
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: carnivorous chicken on Jan 12, 2018, 14:24:51
Can we stop arguing about whether this guy is racist yet?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teledan on Jan 12, 2018, 16:22:12
Can we stop arguing about whether this guy is racist yet?

Seriously.  He is making it pretty clear for us.  I just can't understand all of the people who are sticking up for him after these remarks.  He is blatantly discriminating against people who are from certain countries. 

Anyone remember this?

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

I don't care what he calls these countries, that doesn't bother me.  What bothers me is that he thinks we should not be accepting PEOPLE from these countries, just because they are from those countries.
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 16, 2018, 16:42:37
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Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: J-Rod10 on Jan 18, 2018, 12:30:26
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/apple-announces-350-billion-investment-20k-jobs-over-5-years.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/apple-announces-350-billion-investment-20k-jobs-over-5-years.html)
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 21, 2018, 18:44:10
Why are these people smiling?
Title: Re: "the Mooch"
Post by: teazer on Jan 22, 2018, 01:39:10
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/apple-announces-350-billion-investment-20k-jobs-over-5-years.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/apple-announces-350-billion-investment-20k-jobs-over-5-years.html)

That's good, but interestingly the latest tax changes actually promote overseas manufacturing.  Those apple jobs are all good of course but would happen anyway to grow the App business and the data centers were going to be built as well.  Steve Jobs made an interesting observation some years ago that the US does not turn out enough production engineers that could possibly be sufficient to fuel the Apple demand, so they have no choice but to manufacture overseas.

And of course their pricing model is to buy low (overseas) and sell high. That isn't going to change.  Manufacturers are not going to push up their cost of production in the US as long as they have access to vast cheap labor pools overseas.