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Title: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 10, 2017, 22:29:48
  Whats up guys, My names Tyler Ill start off with a little back story and then get right to it.  I have been into the Vintage motorcycle scene since I was 17, building and restoring a few SOHC4 Hondas, and thus got familiar with them.  Im now 23 and haven't had a bike since I sold mine to pay my way through trade school. Im a Marine Mechanic in Baltimore. I just bought my first house a year ago and my wife and I are expecting a child mid July.  Since boat mechanics Don't work during the winter i picked up a little project to keep me busy. Something different from what I am used to, but familiar enough not to be in the dark completely.

  Even though its been 2 years since I sold off my bikes Im always looking online and a few weeks back I found a posting listed with a 1974 Honda Xl350. No title, non running, but complete and very close to me. I think I did ok on it, 300$.  I am a big outdoorsmen love to camp,offroad, fish and hunt, so having a bike that i Could take with me on some off road adventures seemed right. yet still be able to drive around town and work.

(https://i.imgur.com/HDAvt2z.jpg)

In the past I have done mild restorations, full restorations and just ridden bikes with factory " Patina " so naturally building a bike with a little custom touch of my own fit the bill just right. I would like to take this bike to a tracker/scrambler. Keeping the original lines of the bike, just adding a few touches of my own. Thinking of something like a Woods Tracker, something I can cruise on a friday afternoon around town, and then take with me camping for the weekend and ride a few dirt roads somewhere.

When I got it home the motor was locked up and the battery hadn't been touched since the 80's. Odometer shows around 6K miles and the bike seems fairly clean for being outside when the PO found it. Right away I poured some Marvels Mystery Oil in the plug hole and soaked some steel wool down to get off some light oxidation. right away the tank cleaned up, side covers looked better and rims started to shine, all good signs. I took the seat ( With no rips ) inside and got the material hot with a heat gun and used some Armor All on it and it cleaned up great. Im going to be building her in my shed the next few months.

(https://i.imgur.com/LIFJp2i.jpg)

The exhaust is trash, rusted through at the muffler, Im thinking a pipe from XLint Performance with a upswept pipe would look good. Didn't really like the stock exhaust anyway. Didn't get a key with the sale, but one of my spare keys I kept from other hondas fit and works!  The tank is dent free and beautiful, besides rust under the clear coat. Not sure what I'm going to do. the blue is flawless.  The side covers are in good shape, no cracks, original decals with just a little paint chipping on one.

(https://i.imgur.com/uWuJPvM.jpg)

I have just began stripping it down and collecting parts, I did get the motor free, and kicks over fine, showing 110 Psi compression, but I haven't adjusted the valves yet. Bike has spark, but carb is trash. Going to have it rebuilt soon and see what the motor needs. If I can get it running it should show wether it needs ti be rebuild or not. I ordered a repair manual should be here soon.

I bought a new battery and everything is working besides the head light and taillight. I have not invested this just yet. Ill have more time when I get laid off the end of the month. The tank has rust inside so its soaking in Vinegar now.

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah118/2strokeTRush/IMG_5059-2_zpsjlo71fvl.jpg)

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(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah118/2strokeTRush/IMG_5061_zpswxmwbjkf.jpg)

I starting learning to work on cb350s, 500s. 550s. and a few 750s when I was 17 and those forums helped me so much, so I hope some people here might be interested and follow along and give me a hand here and there!
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: irk miller on Dec 11, 2017, 02:02:07
I'm on board.  I love these early XLs.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: cxman on Dec 11, 2017, 07:40:18
tyler

i have a bunch of these so whatever stock parts you take off please let me know i could probably use them

thanks will get a chair and watch
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: WhyNot on Dec 11, 2017, 10:57:27
I'm in......I like these XL's too

Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 11, 2017, 22:10:57
tyler

i have a bunch of these so whatever stock parts you take off please let me know i could probably use them

thanks will get a chair and watch

Sure will, I know i will be ditching the rear taillight, all turn signals, switches and handle bars if ya need any of that. Im sure ill have more once I dive into it hard. Got my Shop Manual from XLint today so I got some homework reading to do...
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: cxman on Dec 12, 2017, 07:36:34
make sure if you take the engine apart you put a new clutch seal you have to pull the case apart to change it

and if you dont it leaks right on to the exhaust
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: cxman on Dec 12, 2017, 07:38:41
pm me i will send you my phone number so can figure out pricing and shipping of what you will have left over

i iwll take it all pretty much
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 17, 2017, 18:09:12
So last night I had a few hours to spare and started looking at the electrical system. Everything was working besides the tail light and head light, tail light turned out to be a bad ground. Easy fix. The headlight was a major pain. Once I figured out the wiring of the resistor an the high beam indicator I got the light to turn on when I jumped the 6V supply from the battery and a shunt I made. I found inside the headlight a cluster of brown wires that indicated and looses power upon moving the headlight switch. Only problem is the headlight was un[plugged when I went inside and It appears the feed to the light should be a blue wire. But my Wiring diagram isn't matching what I am seeing inside. I can always make a juper from the brown switched wire, to the blue power going to the headlight.

(https://i.imgur.com/pFCU67c.jpg)

The exhaust pipe was rotted at the muffler, but I was able to save a little bit of the header, may use this for test firing  before I get a new pipe.

(https://i.imgur.com/fFmK8Ds.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EUrFwyR.jpg)

I set the points dead at .014 and now have a good blue spark. The carb should be finished being rebuilt by Monday and Ill try to test fire her next week sometime.

(https://i.imgur.com/QA9Fkj4.jpg)

Also saw a few guys were posting pictures of there work spaces, well heres mine. Not much but does the job.

(https://i.imgur.com/7M8PZaR.jpg)

And had a few guys ask me about my previous bikes so Ill go ahead and post a few Pictures for ya guys.

(https://i.imgur.com/p6VsnPI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cbcYPZ7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/v9tlV47.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yQUWVUY.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 17, 2017, 21:34:56
And I can only see one pic out of all of them...smh
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 17, 2017, 22:08:03
And I can only see one pic out of all of them...smh

What can I do to fix that?
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 17, 2017, 22:09:54
i know photo bucket has changed their settings, Now I can only see one picture as well. ANYone have a idea?
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: irk miller on Dec 17, 2017, 22:22:31
I can see them all, because I'm using Chrome with the Chrome extension that fixes it.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: WhyNot on Dec 18, 2017, 06:19:46
All but one.

Also using Chrome.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 21, 2017, 23:58:01
Hosting pictures on Imgur now so hopefully everyone can see them. Changed the oil in the case and I got the rebuilt carb installed as well as the header pipe with a new gasket, Adjusted the timing, fresh fuel from my auxiliary tank, with a few kicks she fired up! I couldn't believe it. Not smoking and throttle response is good. Never realized the choke cable is seized so I was using some wire to hold it shut. Anyone know where I can get one? Not having much luck online.  Motor sounds healthy soI don't think a rebuild is needed. No leaks. Decided to take it for a spin around the block and all gears in the trans are there and the clutch is working smoothly. Uploaded a short video to youtube so you guys could see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FjCBaP3JoU
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 22, 2017, 08:32:54
I can see almost all of them now. Its usually my work computer that wont let me view them.
What do they expect me to do while I am here??  Work ?   ;D
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 30, 2017, 10:18:59
Started the tear down and pulled the motor, wow what a easy job compared to the SOHC4 bikes I'm used to, tried to label the wiring harness as best as possible since I'm replacing the handle bar switches with one switch for a cleaner look.

(https://i.imgur.com/IFBYHwp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/50RISFX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IcYi2UH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vIu8Ugo.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: advCo on Dec 30, 2017, 19:18:42
Nice, another 350. I知 in


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Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 31, 2017, 12:33:32
Nice, another 350. I知 in


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Thanks man, I have probably read your thread 5 times by now. Great work
Title: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: advCo on Dec 31, 2017, 16:47:18
Thanks. Fun bike, tracking down an ignition issue at the moment but should have it out and about for the spring.


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Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 31, 2017, 17:27:33
Thanks. Fun bike, tracking down an ignition issue at the moment but should have it out and about for the spring.


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Yeah you got plenty of time to figure that out!  Do you have any idea of where I can pickup a choke cable? not having much luck finding one.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: cxman on Dec 31, 2017, 18:51:24
i may have one let me look tomorrow
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 31, 2017, 20:24:31
i may have one let me look tomorrow

That would be great man! thanks
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Dec 31, 2017, 20:27:23
So after a bit of thinking, I think I'm going to build this more of a classic enduro, not a restoration candidate, just a clean looking classic bike with a few touches. I really wanted to turn it into something like the bike below, but I think for now ill hold off and stick with the stock seat and rear part of the frame. Maybe next winter. But for now ill continue tearing her down and making her better.

(https://i.imgur.com/QRfpAAp.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: advCo on Jan 02, 2018, 11:18:01
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202025278766

I may have an extra bracket that goes up by the handlebar clamps.


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Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 04, 2018, 21:17:27
thanks man, I have the bracket, but unfortunately my cable is broke exactly where the one in that ebay listing is broke
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 06, 2018, 22:04:46
Well the wife got called into work, so I made it a shop night. But then I ran out of propane in my heater and its 16 degrees in Baltimore right now. So here I am......

Taking the bike to the state police this week to have the VIN check done, and then start the Vermont Title process. So I stripped the bike down as much as I could, just incase the VIN comes back Dirty, then I can claim this was how I bought the bike and not have to give up expensive parts to replace.

(https://i.imgur.com/ukx1YmQ.jpg)

Started getting my parts ordered in line. Still have a few more things on there way.

(https://i.imgur.com/X03zL1c.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XZuWtPF.jpg)

Started cleaning the inside of the tank, was getting lots of rust and pieces of hardened gas or something. It was like mud that smelled like gas. Can still see some in the seems of the tank welds so Im considering lining the inside of the tank. After I got all i could out of the tank I filled it with Metal Rescue. It seemes to have gotten the rust out very well, Im still getting some flash rusting when I empty the tank out. Anything I can do to stop this? Like rinsing down with baking soda?

(https://i.imgur.com/6MEuwUp.jpg)

On the subject of the Tank, I was planning on stripping the tank and having it painted black, but I can't bring myself to strip a original tank in such good shape. So for now my plan is to have my buddy from the SOHC4 Forums print me out a sheet of silver graphic and lay it over the bad parts on the sides. I think that'll work good.

(https://i.imgur.com/slcE3vv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/e4vhQtK.jpg)

I will have the fenders re-sprayed

(https://i.imgur.com/TAbk4iH.jpg)

Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: advCo on Jan 11, 2018, 12:45:16
You don't need a VIN verification for this bike since its under 350cc for the VT registration.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 12, 2018, 00:20:06
You don't need a VIN verification for this bike since its under 350cc for the VT registration.

damn i thought i had to, well i got it checked anyway, no problems!

Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: advCo on Jan 12, 2018, 00:25:39
Started cleaning the inside of the tank, was getting lots of rust and pieces of hardened gas or something. It was like mud that smelled like gas. Can still see some in the seems of the tank welds so Im considering lining the inside of the tank. After I got all i could out of the tank I filled it with Metal Rescue. It seemes to have gotten the rust out very well, Im still getting some flash rusting when I empty the tank out. Anything I can do to stop this? Like rinsing down with baking soda?

Get it as clean as you can with the metal rescue and either some drywall screws or BBs to break anything loose if necessary. If you do, make sure you get em all out. Once you're happy with it, swish around some pre-mix gas and coat the inside and dump out the excess. The oil in the pre-mix will prevent flash rust.

I would avoid lining the tank unless you absolutely have to.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 12, 2018, 00:28:44
Sandblasting may be my new favorite thing!  My buddy has a professional machine and let me use it for a while.

(https://i.imgur.com/lmWNW2H.jpg)

Cleaned up the frame as best I could and laid some paint on it as well.

(https://i.imgur.com/0tTOTGi.jpg)

The engine side cases had some wear on them, I think I'm going to pull them off, prep and paint them a darker metallic.

(https://i.imgur.com/BJ0aO9N.jpg)

blasted and painted the sprocket cover to see how the cases would turn out, after it cures ill see hoe it looks against the motor.

(https://i.imgur.com/hOhpuyW.jpg)

Also found out that the rear brake cable is hard to come by, and i think i can reuse mine, so i have been soaking it down every day.  still need a choke cable.

(https://i.imgur.com/7IJPmPQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: cxman on Jan 12, 2018, 07:44:11
those side covers are magnesium zinc chromate  primer should be use as a pretreatment prior to painting
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 12, 2018, 20:16:24
Took on the forks today, both seals had been leaking. Im going to blast the fork lowers and paint them black. I think that would look good.

Having never done fork seals before I watched a few videos and looked to my service manual. The disassembly went well.  I have heard that the lower allen head bolt can sometimes seize in the fork lower causing issues disassembling. I had inverted the forks and soaked the bolts in PB Blaster for a few days, then heated everything up very hot with a heat gun. Both bolts broke loose no issue.

(https://i.imgur.com/mvkf4bt.jpg)

Lots of Gunk, no wonder the seas blew out.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZzObfgI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hZPS9IM.jpg)

Then everything got a nice degreasing and cleaning.

(https://i.imgur.com/3XV86aW.jpg)

Did the best I could to heat up the side cover piece to cure an see if i like the color

(https://i.imgur.com/tX60Gr8.jpg)

After a " Cure " and clear, should I do all the side covers like this?

(https://i.imgur.com/XKK537U.jpg)

Considering doing the valve cover as well...

(https://i.imgur.com/FQ10fvk.jpg)

And even though I know its a controversal topic, I coated the tank with " Red Coat " tank sealer. I have had luck with this on my Jerry Cans on my 4x4.

(https://i.imgur.com/A579hv5.jpg)

I did not want to do this, and received some great tips on the flash rusting issue ( thanks guys ) but no matter how much i soaked and cleaned, there was still small sand like muck particles in the tank seems I could not get rid of. Obviously this would be cause for lots of carb cleaning in the future. So tank lining it is.

(https://i.imgur.com/NJY5Ina.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: irk miller on Jan 12, 2018, 21:42:30
No controversy with me.  I love Red-Kote.  I've coated a half dozen tanks with it and I've had zero issues.  As long I'm super extra careful with cleaning fuel and solvents out, and I give the stuff extra time to cure, it's been flawless.   
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: cxman on Jan 13, 2018, 10:39:46
red kote is all i use
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 13, 2018, 18:42:29
Decided I'm going to paint the side covers, as well as the valve cover.  Plus dissembling all this gives me the satisfaction of inspecting and cleaning these areas.

(https://i.imgur.com/6RTYuM2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SHjhc2v.jpg)

Some sealant and some markings under the cam make me think someone has been in here before. Wasn't exactly thrilled with the looks of the Cam.

(https://i.imgur.com/uralHad.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IxvrR6M.jpg)

Does this kickstarter spring look correct? It seems lop sided an can move easily on the shaft.

(https://i.imgur.com/OUelPE5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lS1ylRf.jpg)

Also, whats the secret to cleaning the centrifugal pump? Once you get the C Clip out whats next? The manual is very bland about this.

(https://i.imgur.com/24KMbTo.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: Hibby Jr on Jan 14, 2018, 01:09:49
Dig these 350 singles. A friend of mine has one he's in the middle of rebuilding.
 As far as the sludge trap goes, the aluminum cap comes off after the cir- clip is removed, then just clean out the sludge ( and most likely a lot of metal shavings).
 By the way, that cam lobe in second pic is wiped out due to the pitting and signs of a lot of rocker bounce. 
Good luck with the build
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 14, 2018, 09:31:37
Dig these 350 singles. A friend of mine has one he's in the middle of rebuilding.
 As far as the sludge trap goes, the aluminum cap comes off after the cir- clip is removed, then just clean out the sludge ( and most likely a lot of metal shavings).
 By the way, that cam lobe in second pic is wiped out due to the pitting and signs of a lot of rocker bounce. 
Good luck with the build

Does the metal cap just pull off after the C clip? And I was afraid of that, not sure what im going to do as the thing ran great once I got it going, may just try and find a new cam. I was trying to not have to do a top end job just yet.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: cxman on Jan 14, 2018, 11:38:06
you wont damage it much more by running it

 its already done
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 14, 2018, 11:48:37
you wont damage it much more by running it

 its already done

Yeah I kinda figured, I may just run it this season, then next do a top end job and big bore kit. Engine rebuild isnt in the budget this season.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: irk miller on Jan 14, 2018, 13:46:53
Good thing about these motors is the high performance stuff is on the market.  I assume you know about Xlintperformance.com and others.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 16, 2018, 21:33:59
Lots of cleaning going on. Started with the wheels, was using scotch bright pads with some Barkeepers Friend and water. They cleaned up pretty nice, shame lots of the spokes are rusty. I have kits for both front and rear wheel bearings, but have never done them before. Anyone have any tips?

(https://i.imgur.com/vjruR19.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iIflC97.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/b3erR9p.jpg)

Onto the centrifugal oil pump, still have a ways to go.

(https://i.imgur.com/wn1Pm6O.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2IsEY5o.jpg)

And then the front and rear fenders, A buddy of mine is going to spray them for me. Anyone know the color code or exact color name? If not I will probably get a generic gray.

(https://i.imgur.com/kUHOHGc.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: killerx on Jan 17, 2018, 11:11:21
For the spokes, TAKE YOUR TIME.
It will seem daunting but it will be worth it to be able to say you laced and trued your wheels yourself.
Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: advCo on Jan 19, 2018, 14:31:22
Freeze your bearings, get some correct size PVC for each bearing. Clean the seat, drop them in and usually one or two good taps with a  mallet on the PVC should seat them good. Be very careful not to overdo it, as they CAN be seated too far and bind on the inner axle spacer.

If you go with the eBay spokes, they work ok but the fitment sucks, all the angles are a little off and I had to seat them with a rubber mallet to get them trued.


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Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: 2strokeTRush on Jan 19, 2018, 18:45:45
Freeze your bearings, get some correct size PVC for each bearing. Clean the seat, drop them in and usually one or two good taps with a  mallet on the PVC should seat them good. Be very careful not to overdo it, as they CAN be seated too far and bind on the inner axle spacer.

If you go with the eBay spokes, they work ok but the fitment sucks, all the angles are a little off and I had to seat them with a rubber mallet to get them trued.


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Title: Re: Trash to Tracker, Xl350
Post by: irk miller on Jan 19, 2018, 23:06:41
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It's the opposite.  Heat the hub outside of the bearing and they will pop out easy.