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Author Topic: Universal Healthcare how does it work?  (Read 3111 times)

Offline farmer92

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Re: Universal Healthcare how does it work?
« Reply #90 on: Jan 12, 2018, 08:55:38 »
No
She would have been put on a stretcher in the hallway for 37 hours before dying of dehydration.


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Re: Universal Healthcare how does it work?
« Reply #91 on: Jan 12, 2018, 09:29:42 »
Would this happen in Canada or the United Kingdom?

God knows the system here in Oz could be improved, but it's good enough.

Fast approaching my use-by date, I've recently had a minor health issue.

Three visits to a GP, a blood test, an ultrasound, an impending visit to a cardiologist.

Cost: zero

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Re: Universal Healthcare how does it work?
« Reply #92 on: Jan 12, 2018, 10:18:10 »
I lived in the UK for a few years in my 20s. I almost always got to see my GP next day. My first child was born there (difficult labor, started in birthing center and the Mrs had to get an ambulance ride to the hospital after 24 hours). We took a visit to the emergency room after the wife got clobbered in the head by a falling ladder. Service was always excellent and the outcomes were what we would hope them to be. I don't remember paying anything out of pocket and my old pay stubs indicate I paid about $300 a month for all of it.

My current pay stub indicates that I contribute $170 a month for dental, $120 a month for my flexible spending account (allows me to use pre-tax dollars to pay for health care-related items such as co-pays or deductibles), $23 a month for vision, and $1747 for my family's health insurance. So yeah, I spend $24,720 a year on health care, and that's if I don't even need to use it. If I exceed a certain usage level, I will incur additional out of pocket costs. My eldest is getting braces this year, I can guarantee I'm going to be paying more. I've never had any real complaints about the quality of care I've received, but my GP is often booked out weeks (and one time, months) in advance. The dentistry here is WAY better than what I got in Britain, but, to me, the two systems have been more-or-less similar aside from the cost.
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Re: Universal Healthcare how does it work?
« Reply #93 on: Jan 12, 2018, 12:07:45 »
I lived in the UK for a few years in my 20s. I almost always got to see my GP next day. My first child was born there (difficult labor, started in birthing center and the Mrs had to get an ambulance ride to the hospital after 24 hours). We took a visit to the emergency room after the wife got clobbered in the head by a falling ladder. Service was always excellent and the outcomes were what we would hope them to be. I don't remember paying anything out of pocket and my old pay stubs indicate I paid about $300 a month for all of it.

My current pay stub indicates that I contribute $170 a month for dental, $120 a month for my flexible spending account (allows me to use pre-tax dollars to pay for health care-related items such as co-pays or deductibles), $23 a month for vision, and $1747 for my family's health insurance. So yeah, I spend $24,720 a year on health care, and that's if I don't even need to use it. If I exceed a certain usage level, I will incur additional out of pocket costs. My eldest is getting braces this year, I can guarantee I'm going to be paying more. I've never had any real complaints about the quality of care I've received, but my GP is often booked out weeks (and one time, months) in advance. The dentistry here is WAY better than what I got in Britain, but, to me, the two systems have been more-or-less similar aside from the cost.

I think a lot of Americans who rant an rail against the health care of the UK, Canada, and elsewhere, believe the BS they are told about how bad the systems are despite the evidence and testimonies from other places. And they have a knee-jerk reaction to what they perceive as the specter of "socialism." The last year has sort of proven that there are a lot of people in the US who don't pay much attention and believe what they're told from unreliable sources. Pretty amazing, really.
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Re: Universal Healthcare how does it work?
« Reply #94 on: Jan 12, 2018, 12:16:52 »
Socialism is definitely an aspect of it. One other things I've heard repeated fairly often is that we have "the best health care in the world". A lot of folks who have health care are concerned that if we go to a system that costs less, they'll be receiving less. I think there is a significant number of people here that honest believe that this is how much decent health care should cost.
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Re: Universal Healthcare how does it work?
« Reply #95 on: Jan 12, 2018, 16:02:25 »
I live in Canada and while I think there could be some improvements to our healthcare system, it is a very good system.  Last year I was diagnosed with cancer, if I had to pay for the surgery and chemo and all related doctor appointments I would have been bankrupted.  Unlike what some Republicans said back when Obama was promoting "Obamacare", we have no "death doctors" and we can choose what doctors we want to see.  Wait times could be improved for some procedures and more things could be covered such as dental and drug prescription costs.  The insurance industry of course would like to change this because they would like to profit from eliminating our healthcare system.  From what I have read, healthcare costs a lot more in the US than Canada and I see no advantage and instead potential harm to people by going to private health insurance.
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Re: Universal Healthcare how does it work?
« Reply #96 on: Jan 12, 2018, 22:53:05 »
I live in Canada and while I think there could be some improvements to our healthcare system, it is a very good system.  Last year I was diagnosed with cancer, if I had to pay for the surgery and chemo and all related doctor appointments I would have been bankrupted.  Unlike what some Republicans said back when Obama was promoting "Obamacare", we have no "death doctors" and we can choose what doctors we want to see.  Wait times could be improved for some procedures and more things could be covered such as dental and drug prescription costs.  The insurance industry of course would like to change this because they would like to profit from eliminating our healthcare system.  From what I have read, healthcare costs a lot more in the US than Canada and I see no advantage and instead potential harm to people by going to private health insurance.

Glad you made it this far through the fight man.
I agree, the system could be better, the wait times in the ER are ridiculous, but is to be expected. Its free, people show up with the sniffles and just waste the staffs time being told to go home and rest.
If the american healthcare outcomes were phenomenal, i might listen to some arguments for their system, but as it stands the outcomes indicate that chances of a positive outcome in the US health system are not as good as most developed countries. Thé latest WHO report i could find indicates that they had the highest expenditure per capita and ranked 72 in terms of actual health outcomes.