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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Cafe Racers => Topic started by: crazypj on Nov 06, 2009, 17:50:24

Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 06, 2009, 17:50:24
Weather has cooled down enough for me to get something done.
 Got several large boxes of bits.
Will post pics later (after I take some  ;D )
 see how far I can get over weekend ? (if anyone is interested?)

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: tWistedWheelz on Nov 06, 2009, 18:32:28
why hell yes I am interested! Don't forget the pics, I can't read! ;D
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 06, 2009, 18:54:54
Some pics  ;D

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-2.jpg)
1. completely stripped down engine, needs cleaning, lot of dust in there

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-4.jpg)
2. CB378 I've been using to sort out carburatiuon

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-5.jpg)
3. 2mm oversize pistons. Cylinder has been bored but not honed to size

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-8.jpg)
4. eBay stuff. Suzuki forks, XS650 rear wheel, XS650 rear rim. I'm waiting for spoke set from Thailand.
 going to strip wheel for rim and get a WM4 from Buchanan's sometime to rebuild it

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-10.jpg)
5. Genuine Koni alloy body rear shocks, not the same as IKON

 Haven't found transmission yet, have to look in more boxes  :D
 Will probably be working on the XS800 'bratbob' if I can find time, been a while since I looked at it

PJ




Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: forcefanajd on Nov 06, 2009, 19:01:05
COOL!!  those engine parts look like they are in fantastic condition
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: dcmspikes on Nov 06, 2009, 20:07:35
cant wait to see what you put together
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: mysta2 on Nov 06, 2009, 20:17:53
Is your 360 (378?) thread still up on Total Motorcycle... I was searching for it the other day and having no luck

...that was you wasn't it?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 06, 2009, 23:33:29
Is your 360 (378?) thread still up on Total Motorcycle... I was searching for it the other day and having no luck

...that was you wasn't it?

 It was probably me, I don't remember posting it though  ::)
It would be the bike in picture number two at top.
 That has ported head and overbore to 378cc.
I didn't look at bottom end which is probably why clutch started slipping during dyno runs..
I have a new clutch for it (eBay) and two sets of heavy duty clutch springs. (as I always intended to do a second one when I got frame wih title)
This is all new, starting Friday 6th November 2009, anything I worked on previously is being mentioned (like cover in last pic of this update)
I want to see how far I can get with this in about 48hrs.

 Heres some more pics of transmission being assembled
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360selectorfork.jpg)
 This shift fork fits onto drum. Drum has to be fitted into case while you fit it. The 'bolt' has two jobs, locates shift drum and also holds it in neutral by means of spring and ball bearing

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360selectordrum.jpg)
shift drum sitting on case

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360fittingfork.jpg)
 you can see top of 'R' clip that holds pin which locates shift fork on drum. It was a right pain to fit

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360Drumincase.jpg)
 Shift drum and shift forks fitted to case

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360bottomendparts.jpg)
what it looks like with transmission and crank installed into upper case half.
 Make sure you fit cam chain to crank before fitting crank to case  ;D.
 there is a 'horseshoe' which pivots on pin  for cam chain tensioner, slot visible to left of crank

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360modifiedgeneratorrotor.jpg)
I turned back of generator rotor, not using electric start on this motor so all the parts are removed.
It should help the oil fly off?
Forgot to take pic of bottom end assembled, will ahve to do it tomorrow. Will try to get pics of honing cylinder but its a bit messy to do properly with only half the equipment ( got the important bit, AMMCO hone)
 With care and taking my time a bit,  I can get to within two tenthousandths of inch of perfect size

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360clutchrelease1.jpg)
Here's sprocket cover/clutch mechanism lifter I modified a while ago, not sure if i should finish polishing it or just paint the damn thing?

 all for now

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: mysta2 on Nov 07, 2009, 15:32:14
...
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360clutchrelease1.jpg)
Here's sprocket cover/clutch mechanism lifter I modified a while ago, not sure if i should finish polishing it or just paint the damn thing?

Wholly hell, I was going to do that to my next bike and I couldn't remember where I got the Idea... but yup, it was you. Could that have possibly had anything to do with the clutch slipping? Was it on the test bike like that?

I found the post that I was looking for scattered throughout Total Motorcycle, Sohc, and the honda twins site. I've been chasing you all over the net. Did you know that no matter what i use to search, the only solid info on modding a 360 leads to a post by you. Other than that bespoke frame thing with 450 pistons (something like that) but that page has little substance.

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/viewtopic.php?t=26650&highlight=360
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 07, 2009, 21:02:12
Hi Mysta2, I'm probably the only person crazy enough to modify these things on a 'regular' basis.
 It was never a very popular engine (as 250 or 360) and did have some major top end issuse's.
I havent used the carved up cover yet but it would cause clutch drag not slipping. (if was too flexible)
 I left the webs in it at full depth so it should be just about as ridgid as stock.
 Anyway, things didnt go according to plan ( do they ever?  ::))
 I did some of the least favorite stuff, masked up bottom end and painted it silver (which I'm not very good at, particularly as shed has no lights)
 Heres some pics from today.

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360maskedup2.jpg)
 My very least favorite job, masking ( anything)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360partsyouneed.jpg)
cylinder bore gauge, pistons and micrometer

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360howtosetupfrommicrometerreadin.jpg)
 settting gauge to piston size plus required clearance (0.0015")

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360workingendincylinder.jpg)
Measuring cylinder after boring, its still rough and undersize by 22 ten-thousandths of inch (0.0022")

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360boregauge.jpg)
Bore gauge showing 0.0013", it should show 0.0022" but I wiggled it slightly and 'lost' nine ten-thousandths of inch  :o

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360setupforhandhoning.jpg)
 very basic set up, bench vice, AMMCO hone, variable speed power drill. I really should make a tank with all the motors i'm playing with

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360Honeswithcrosshatch1.jpg)
honed to size, (actually, I went 0.0001" over so i have 0.0016"-sixteen ten-thousandths clearance  ;))
 Used 320 grit stones so finish is very smooth. cross hatch is a little 'flat' but perfectly usable

I modified another clutch hub and loosely fitted heavy duty springs  (mainly so I can find them tomorrow  ;D)
 I skimmed the cylinder head as well, was hoping to finish porting and make battery box but that didn't happen ( didnt mow the lawns either  ;D)
 Had to come back in and edit multiple times as I postd some pictures wrong

PJ


Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: dcmspikes on Nov 07, 2009, 21:55:55
would you try to take some good pics of the porting?  before and after.  im interested to see how much material you remove and from where.  thanks for the progress so far
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: mysta2 on Nov 08, 2009, 14:52:39
+1

Hey PJ if you want to send me your cases I'll send you mine, I'll make yours look pretty if you make mine run pretty :)

Why did you tear out the bottom end and transmission of that 360? Was there anything you needed to replace, upgrade or repair or was it just for cleaning it up and peace of mind? I'm going to have to tear me next one down to swap an (Ebay) CB gearset in to replace my CL gearset. I took all the starter paraphernalia out of Loudbike:

(http://www.dropbars.com/starter%20strip/starterstrip01.jpg)

It never occurred to me that I could turn the actual flywheel down.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: CrescentSon on Nov 08, 2009, 16:12:54
Damn PJ, taking this serious I see. Should be a great build, and I'm sure I'll waste invest many prime building hrs reading along.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 08, 2009, 21:28:50
+1

Hey PJ if you want to send me your cases I'll send you mine, I'll make yours look pretty if you make mine run pretty :)

Why did you tear out the bottom end and transmission of that 360? Was there anything you needed to replace, upgrade or repair or was it just for cleaning it up and peace of mind? I'm going to have to tear me next one down to swap an (Ebay) CB gearset in to replace my CL gearset. I took all the starter paraphernalia out of Loudbike:

It never occurred to me that I could turn the actual flywheel down.

I pulled the kickstart mechanism out, bumpstart only (too radical?  8))
 I was going to lighten flywheels but decided its just too much work.
 Haven't had a particularly productive weekend.
Got bottom end re-assembled
 Got cases looking pretty
Got head skimmed 30 thou
 Got cylinders honed to size and today sprayed them with Duplicolour semi-gloss black engine enamel,  (still hate masking stuff  ;D)
I know it works pretty good as I used it on the XS860 motor.
 Amazed at how quick you can chew through a pack of cutting wheels on angle grinder ;D
 Cut up some steel and made a new battery box, in keeping with my recycling ethic, its made from an old industrial shelf that had been thrown out.
 Battery is also recycled, its out of a smoke detector, they have to be changed at certain interval.
 Its 12v 7.5A/hr sealed, has held 12.70 volts for at least last month, I have had it on charge once.
 They are also real cheap when available.
Anyone who has read threads from few months ago knows I don't like battey high at rear (hidden in seat hump)
 I'm mounting it low and center (mass centralisation, its all the buzz in Moto GP, etc  ;D ;D)
While I was at it I cut up some steel angle I bought to make something trick for the XS800 (probably should start a thread for it in Bobbers?)
 May cut back end of frame back off (after I welded extension into it  ::), no planning, its 'evolving' as I go ;D)
 Wasted an inordinate amount of time carving on styrofoam block, decided I want a specific tank shape - don't like what I've carved so will start again in a couple of days, probably use stock tank to get it running.
Did I mention I made fiberglass Kayaks at one time?
I have a little experience with 'glass', but not epoxy resins.
 I'm going to make a fork brace (designing it now) It's going to be similar to onee I made in 1990 for CB400 ( monoshock, 500 conversion, etc, etc)
Need to finish machining the clamps for clip-on's, going to use my idea for bars similar to the XS800 except 'other way up'
 Need to get in touch with Sudco to get new throttle slides for VM's, made new 'low profile' carb tops
 Sorry, no pics of porting.
 It's still too hot in Florida, even though it 'only' got to 80 today.
 Hand is still messed up, need to go back to docs, if only they were not so inefficient and F****** arrogant, I get really pissed off waiting 2 hrs for nothing (it's a a workman's comp thing)

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: mysta2 on Nov 08, 2009, 23:01:57
Do you feel any need to lighten the crank to balance the GS pistons in that 378? Or just run stock?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Kanticoy on Nov 09, 2009, 00:13:43
Great work pj! You've really done your time on these things from the looks of it. It's cOol to see someone put so much time into something like a cb360. You and mysta really show how far you can really take it. I was actually hoping one of you two uys (I know mysta experimented in the past with Teflon) would come up with a viable solution to the ever plaguing cam chain slipper problem in these motors...please tell me you guys have plans in those areas!

I have contemplated the battery in the hump thing to no end too, and I finally came to this conclusion: while it may matter in pure fractional weigh measurements, I can't see how an extra fraction of a pound (mine weighs 10.5 ounces) can make that much of a difference in the weight distribution when it is generally located in the same position as the 150 some odd pounds (or 65 kg) of weight that the pilot is putting in the same area of the bike. I just couldn't ever wrap my head around how marginal the differences could possibly be. But hey I don't claim to be an expert, i just thought you might could provide a little insight to the method behind the madness.

Great attention to detail man...and bump start only huh! That's hardcore!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: sebatron on Nov 09, 2009, 00:48:38
it's nice to get an insight on what the resident master gets up to :)

bump starting probably looks more majestic than kickstarting, at least thats how id justify it to myself.

just out of curiousity, how much meat can you take out of a cylinder wall with the ammco hone? is it literally for the .0*'s of an inch, or can you get a few millimetres out? say, 2mm out of an alloy wall?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: boingk on Nov 09, 2009, 01:02:08
Very nice work, I'm mighty impressed. I was thinking of doing something like this to one of the smaller Hondas and then enter the vintage racing scene. You have any plans for racing, or is this just for kicks? Either way, good stuff man.

Meanwhile, the placement of perhiperal weight has a huge difference on how a bike turns. More specifically, how much effort you need to exert and how fast it will change direction. Place weight at the centre of gravity and it will have negligible effect on the handling capabilities of a vehicle. Place it further away and you start to deal with more complex things like directional inertia.

Try it for yourself, go for a run through the twisties with something with a bit of weight strapped securely to the tail of the bike (a half-gallon water container, perhaps, or a house brick). Now, remove the object and go for the same run. You'll notice a difference for sure.

Cheers - boingk
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Nov 09, 2009, 12:11:02
Reading this makes me feel like I'm in school, in a good way ;). Thanks for taking the time to share this with the rest of us!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 09, 2009, 20:35:37
it's nice to get an insight on what the resident master gets up to :)

bump starting probably looks more majestic than kickstarting, at least thats how id justify it to myself.

just out of curiousity, how much meat can you take out of a cylinder wall with the ammco hone? is it literally for the .0*'s of an inch, or can you get a few millimetres out? say, 2mm out of an alloy wall?

 you don't  really want to take more than 0.010" or so with a hone, too much like hard work.
You could tak 0.020~0.030" if you use 80 grit stones and a honing tank with constant flow of honing oil.
 Its so easy to bore alloy its not worth the effort to try honing, except for final size
 If your taking out 2mm, its much faster and easier to bore it.
I did seveal bores back in 1974 with a Bridgport mill, just about any machine shop will have at least one and generally be more amenable to boring small sizes,
Automotive places usually won't touch bike parts, "too small, we dont have anything that goes down that far" or similar.
 Bike shops have been known to charge for multiple bores ( at $25~$35 a bore, 2mm could be 8 oversizes)

 Anyway, I'm going to make this one a bump-start bike, if its too inconvenient, I'll just swap motor out of the 'dyno' bike (its already ported, skimmed head and 378cc)
 It just wont look very pretty but its not a big deal to strip top end off and clean things up same as motor I'm now doing.
 I have to change clutch on it sometime soon whatever I do, its no good to man nor beast  with slipping clutch.  ;D

PJ


Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Big Rich on Nov 13, 2009, 22:48:38
Good looking work PJ! You said that battery is out of a smoke detector? I've never seen one that big. Or maybe it's just the picture blowing it out of proportion in my head.

I was having a problem with the battery on my Suzuki (too cheap to replace it) so I was bump starting for about a week back and forth to work. Luckily my house is on top of a hill and the parking lot at work also has a hill. But everybody thought I was "too good" to park next to the Harley's!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 14, 2009, 08:01:41
Sorry, should have been more specific, it was a smoke detector/emergency lighting unit.
 Going to work on the bigger stuff today, forgot to turn alarm off so it woke me at 5:00am  ::)
PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 14, 2009, 21:35:28
I guess everyone has been busy today  ;D
 Spent most of day cutting up bits of metal, doesnt feel like  I accomplished much but its taken all day ::)
 Made most of rear light unit for the XS800 and some new chain adjuster plates, I want them tighter fit than the standard issue ones
 I roughed out top piece for fork brace, (or two) 2" holesaw is a great tool for this stuff  ;)
 Did a little work on seat, may make  a completely different one as I had an idea

 (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Forkbracenewtop.jpg)
 Fork brace top piece or two  :D
I'm going to make a second one  slightly different design
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360head.jpg)


Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 16, 2009, 21:59:54
Been cutting more bits of metal, it seems never ending.
 Made some fixtures to make parts, didn't quite work as anticipated but will try again with oxy/acetelene as propane didnt get steel hot enough to form properly. >:(
 Cylinder head didnt get finished yet
 Made a piece for rear brake linkage and realised it would have been much easier to weld one up in steel (I'm going to make one just to find out)
 Not posting pics until its finished and fitted, its different.
 can't find rear brake pedal mounting I made to weld to frame, I know its 'safe' though.  ;)
 The damn taillight mounting for XS800 is being a pain, it didn't look quite right so I cut it in half down center to check left and right sides.
 They are now equal  ::)
 Got to buy more welding rods tomorrow and start putting things together.
 Have no idea where spokes are, eBay seller isnt responding to email, don't even know if they have been mailed from Thailand?  ???
 Title should be here by Friday, loathe to do too much until I know I can title it in my name, don'tt eant to do bunch of work and have it 'stolen' off me
 I have 2 running bikes and 3 in progress so I'm not in a particular rush

PJ

Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Nov 17, 2009, 10:22:27
I bought spokes from that guy in Thailand. I think there's just the one guy in Thailand doing it  ::) I paid for the quicker shipping (2 weeks) and they arrived in about 2 weeks. Hang in there. they'll show up.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 21, 2009, 19:49:58
Very frustrating day.
 Got up early to finish off engine and couldnt find rings (safe  ::))
 Painted battery tray, it doesnt look much better so I'll probably make a different one.
 Garage is a bit clearer now though  ;D
 Found rings, still in sealed containers but one piston pin was too rusty too use so I shortened a stock CB360 one by 0.070" (the 378 has ligher pistons and pins which is why it can rev higher without breaking rod/crank)
 Couldn't find base gasket so I made a new one. from gasket material (Autozone)
Didn't take pics of engine with cylinders/pistons in, not very 'exciting' (unless anyone wants to see 69mm pistons in 360 cylinder?)
 Cut up some 'usefuil material' to make bar holders for new clip-on's.

 This is what it looks like with holes drilled for bar and fork leg
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Clip-on2-1.jpg)
this is one I made a few months ago, cheap Chinese mill works Ok but easy to go to far when your just 'twiddling knobs'
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Clip-onbracket.jpg)
 Hopefully tomorrow will be better day and I'll get something done
PJ

Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Hannibal Smith on Nov 23, 2009, 12:42:46
That's a good looking clip-on! Definitely old style, and matches the bikes from the 70's
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 23, 2009, 21:00:10
That's a good looking clip-on! Definitely old style, and matches the bikes from the 70's

I trained as turner/machinist in early/mid 70's so I guess it fits  :D
Thanks, that means something to me  ;)
 I've seen pics of the CNC bits you made, wish I had money and space for one (and ability to use/program it ;D)
 About 24~25 hrs so far on bike, takes a long time to make stuff  :-[

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Kanticoy on Nov 23, 2009, 21:08:16
great job on the milling.  I always over turn said knobs when using one.  I need more patience I suppose.  And boy do I know the feeling of losing things in your own shop....oh it sucks.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Nov 23, 2009, 23:11:12
Yup, Ive got a missing oil tank cap right now >:(
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Kanticoy on Nov 24, 2009, 00:11:53
Yep I have the same HF mill and I keep wondering when it's gonna break! So far so good though. And honestly, you turning this stuff out...at least to my untrained eye...gives me hope for my little mill.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: kadavenport on Nov 24, 2009, 07:39:25
Would like a 'real' one but cant afford/justify $1,500~ $2,000+ for rotary table ( hell, I'd like a good/large lathe, Bridgeport and a 5 axis CNC  :D)
 

Sounds like a Christmas wishlist. Did ur mill come from harbor freight too? I looked at one there, but I didn't know if it was worth messing with. Its been hit or miss with stuff I've bought from hf.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: kadavenport on Nov 24, 2009, 19:21:30
Thanks for the info. Yea never done machining before so I'd have no clue on limitations. Now I've gotta talk the wife into letting another tool in the garage to put next to welder, torches, grinders, and the couch (long story).
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Nov 24, 2009, 21:33:01
I've got a drill press thats been hiding under a drop cloth for almost a year now.  8) where there's a will, there's a way.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Kanticoy on Nov 24, 2009, 22:53:15
I've got a drill press thats been hiding under a drop cloth for almost a year now.  8) where there's a will, there's a way.

^^^Bahahaha^^^^

And I have at least 3 bikes that the wife doesn't know about....basket cases sure....but 3 bikes.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Nov 25, 2009, 13:41:02
Best 'toy' I picked up was DRO setups for the big mill and lathe.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 26, 2009, 21:13:37
got to do a little bit, wife just wanted me to stay out of her way while cooking  ;D
 Rocan was asking about polishing top yoke so I did some work on mine (and bottom yoke got some 'treatment'  ;))
 Heres what it looked like when I started
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Bottomyoke-before1.jpg)
 back view showing parting  line, I drilled and tapped boss for steering damper
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Bottomyoke-before2.jpg)
 Cut off steering lock and spent  a bunch of time with angle grinder then a lot of time with files and emery cloth
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Bottomyoke-after.jpg)
Heres the back side, almost finished
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Bottomyoke-after2.jpg)
 Modified top yoke as well, cut of instrument mounts, can use handlebar holes with tube nuts for speedo/rev counterand possibly fit LED inside tube nut?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Topyokemodified1.jpg)
 Showing why you cant go dirctly from 240 grit to polishing, its shiny but all the scratches are visible (wifes friends husband was impressed, until he had it explained, ooh, shiny  ::))
 Its got to have a lot more going over with finer emery cloth before being polished
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/modified2.jpg)
This is the 4th one so far, 2 Suzuki, 1 Yamaha, first '360'
 Lot of people may wonder why I jump around with parts and pieces so much?
 I'm working on whatever part I pick up, what I feel like doing or, have some time to 'play' with.
 Its all got to be done so doesnt matter where I am as long as it all comes together at the end.
 I know where stuff goes and what it does so I dont have to do multiple builds and fits
 I do all my bikes like this, (when I decide to work on them, ;))
 so, its not an 'all out' build for me, just a 'normal' one

PJ 
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 28, 2009, 14:58:59
Spokes arrived from Thailand (well, I got to pick them up from Post Office  ;))
 Flanged rim from eBay is going to take a lot of work, pretty corroded at base of flange.
Its fixable though.
Thinking of geting a drum brake instead of disc? (maybe both, mountings are same)
Still no title, guy says its in the mail so maybe next week?
 Called about front fender Wednesday, checked this morning, guy sold it to someone else  :(
PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 29, 2009, 13:25:54
Made a rather neat rev counter block off plug this morning.
 It can be fitted without removing worm drive from cam cover.
It's on the 'dyno bike' in pic but is going to a member here.
 Probably wont be making any more as I cant make them quick enough to be economically viable
Even though its a simple job, I'm not set up for production work, one off's always cost 'more'

PJ
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/TachoplugMKIII-2.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/TachoplugMKIII.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 02, 2009, 21:28:39
Been working double shift so cant do anything much at present, getting up 5:00am and getting home 7:15~ pm is a long day.
 Still don't have title for frame I bought in October  >:(
Pic of cam and cam sprocket, cam is stock, sprocket isn't  ;D
 been working on XS800 more than CB378, plus, a few other things have been taking up my time. hopefully get something done this weekend (finish doubles Friday)  :D
PJ
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Camsprocketandcam.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Rocan on Dec 02, 2009, 21:41:54
looking good!

custom cam sprocket or aftermarket? ;D
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Dec 03, 2009, 12:11:43
the mounting locations don't look slotted for adjustment, is it designed in and static?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 03, 2009, 19:59:07
Its a stock sprocket with the dampers removed  ;D
Probably going to put it in mill and slot holes.
 Cam timing will need adjustment because head is skimmed 0.030" which retards timing

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Kanticoy on Dec 10, 2009, 22:03:31

 I'm thinking of building a drum front wheel off CB350/CJ360/CM400 instead of the stock disc brake.
More in keeping with 'period', home-built cafe?

 

I did the same thing.  I wanted to completely strip the handlebars of all of the crap...master cylinder included, and this accomplished just that!

The stock disk suck big ones anyway....IMO the drum works better.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 11, 2009, 16:38:12
Personally,
I've had more problems with drum than disc, (usually bad adjustment by owners) 
Drums fade pretty bad when your 'on the gas' ( but, I managed to burn ceenters out of dual disc CB550 brake pads as well  ::))
 I did work for Honda when the swinging arm brake was current so I know exactly how it works.
The only one that really sucks is the cable operated disc on 125~200.
 One reply is all it takes,  ;D
 Sucks I bought new spokes for disc wheel, but, I think drum will look better so thats what its getting.

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Dec 11, 2009, 17:56:07
PJ,

I've got a 200 I'm about to start building that has that cable operated disc on it. How bad is it? I have a spare caliper off a 350 should I just plan to use that? can I use the same disc?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Dec 11, 2009, 19:06:16
Deglazing just a matter of sanding clean?

I was planning on drilling the rotor anyway.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 14, 2009, 18:54:11
It gets better  ;D
 I got some Chrome levers off eBay because I was thinking about going with drum brake.
They turned up this afternoon as well  8)
Not the best quality in the world but they do have the built in brake switch and they were cheap ;) (and they are shiny  ;D)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Levers.jpg)
 I also made some screens for brake drum holes, they are shaped to fit 'flush' with outside edge, going to makee a push piece and 'glue' them in with DEVCON as it has higher temperature rating than most epoxies, should look better than a big step you get with internal mounted ones ?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Fronthub1.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Fronthub2.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Deviant1 on Dec 14, 2009, 19:00:12
That is nice sir! Gonna look killer.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Big Rich on Dec 14, 2009, 19:05:52
Glad to hear about that title PJ! What a relief, huh?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Dec 14, 2009, 19:15:42
What are your thoughts on relining shoes for these old drums? I've used some pretty vicious stuff meant for forklifts and such. Works great but does seem to beat up the drum lining a bit.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Dec 14, 2009, 20:34:36
I think Boyd's pockets were pretty deep and he was kind of a wanker....
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 18, 2009, 23:15:03
I think Boyd's pockets were pretty deep and he was kind of a wanker....
Maybe, but a frind of mine knew him and said he wasnt the idiot TV made him out to be, must have paid him a lot to do the things he was doing.
 Anyway,
 been doing a bit (not much, but something  ;))
 Today has beeen busy
 Got one XS rim cleaned up,  finished with heavy 'work' just needs the polishing compound removed from between spoke head 'dimples' and any other bits where it stuck. It looks a hell of a lot shinier in 'real life'
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/FlangedRims.jpg)
 Did a LOT of work on drum brake hub.
 Filed off the cross piece (don;t have a machine to do it, plus, anyone can copy this now)
 Did 12 'bumps out of 16 (4 'hollows' between spoke flanges, 4 casting seperation bits)
 Thought there has to be an easier way. well, there is.
 DREMEL......forgot my wife bought me one about 7 yrs ago  ::) (normally use full size die grinders)
 Anyway, got ridge trimmed down then finished off with file.
 Cleaned up all corrosion between spoke flanges and painted it with caliper paint.
 Then.........removed paint from top of 'fins'
 Heres before and after
Before (before I took wheel apart  :D)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Drumhub1.jpg)
 After (several hours of filing and cleaning, about 3:10pm today until 40 mins ago)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Drumhub2.jpg)

 Dont mount hub into forks and spin it when painting, paint centrifuges up to top of fines and flings off making a right mess  ::)
 I also finished off the top yoke but forgot to take any pictures.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: troybilt on Dec 18, 2009, 23:25:26
Brake drum holes and screens are real nice PJ. I really like the work on the fins too. The wheels on this thing are gonna rock. Really nice work so far. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Big Rich on Dec 18, 2009, 23:47:27
Good work PJ!  I'm diggin what you did on the the fins on the hub. Might be another idea that works its way over to my project....
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: tweakedlogic on Dec 19, 2009, 09:35:13
I did work for Honda when the swinging arm brake was current so I know exactly how it works.

PJ

I don't want to hijack your thread, but I've been having lots of trouble with my swinging arm disk dragging. Can you help me, please?
email: jidleman@digitalgoose.com
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Dec 19, 2009, 17:39:14
Fins came out pretty nicely, but why not use a lathe? File work is no fun.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: HerrDeacon on Dec 19, 2009, 18:37:28
Nice work on the drums pj. A lot of work there for sure. Great attention to detail.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 19, 2009, 22:07:57
Fins came out pretty nicely, but why not use a lathe? File work is no fun.

 your right about using file, but, it proves anyone can do it with a bit of time and effort.  ;D
 I would love to use a lathe but I dont have one that would mount a anything as big as brake drum (my little 'toy' benchtop lathe is good for valve guides and cable adjusters though  ;))
 I sold my 12" Colchester 12 yrs ago when I moved to Florida  :(

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 19, 2009, 23:22:47
Here's what the drum ended up like after polishing outside.
 still needs going over with a rag to remove some compound.
 got to 'glue' mesh in place and build wheel
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Drumhub4.jpg)

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Dec 21, 2009, 11:40:06
Certainly looks the business. You must be running one of the many 7-12 lathes out there? Grizzly, Harbor Freight or Jett? Before I lucked into the Leviathan I was running a Jett 9-20 that worked out ok. Not nearly enough to heavy work but most motorcycle stuff was pretty do-able. 
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Dec 22, 2009, 20:42:59

(sorry for the ramble...no sleep and too much coffee)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 23, 2009, 21:05:44
Did some more work on hub, took just about all day but its finally 'finished' (maybe, except for cleaning off the grease, painting inside the holes, gluing in the mesh and building into wheel  :D)
 the holes around circumference are 11mm, need to black out inside them
 As I had a piece of almost round alloy scrap 2" long (core drilled the block for clip-on's), I made a bearing spacer for inside the hub, just because.......... (saves over an ounce ) weight about 4lbs, down from 5+lbs.  8)
 Originally I had the machined pieces between fins in alloy, looked a bit much so I cleaned all the caliper paint off and started over  :o
 It's a stupid amount of work for whats basically a cheap bike
Heres some pics, the polished side is actually polished, the 'scratches/scuffs are just oil/grease film

PJ
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Hub-holes.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Hub-closeup.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Hubfull.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Dec 23, 2009, 21:28:08
PJ, That looks money! I wish I'd thought of that for the hubs on my R5. I had the rims powdered black and this would have been a really nice touch. Dammit!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: HerrDeacon on Dec 23, 2009, 21:30:14
Looks amazing PJ, very nice work.

What size are the larger holes? Also, what kind of bit do you use to drill the holes?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: HerrDeacon on Dec 23, 2009, 22:24:32
  don't remember size, inch and half or inch and quarter (I'll measure them tomorrow)
Carefully mark centers where you want holes, pilot drill 1/8" from inside then mount in drill press at low speed  (200rpm?, forget lowest speed on my drill)
 Get a hole saw from Home Depot, about $12~$14.00
Its easier to see where the ribs are inside hub rather than take loads of measurments and work on outside.
 Use a worn down flap wheel to smooth out/de-burr holes.

PJ

Excellent, thanks PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 24, 2009, 14:06:42
Just wait til its finished  ;)


 don't remember size, inch and half or inch and quarter (I'll measure them tomorrow)
Carefully mark centers where you want holes, pilot drill 1/8" from inside then mount in drill press at low speed  (200rpm?, forget lowest speed on my drill)
 Get a hole saw from Home Depot, about $12~$14.00
Its easier to see where the ribs are inside hub rather than take loads of measurments and work on outside.
 Use a worn down flap wheel to smooth out/de-burr holes.

PJ

I measured the holes, they are inch and half diameter.
 re-reading above post, you flip brake drum over after you have pilot holes in place so you can cut through the end of small rib inside drum, that wasn't made clear and I thought it would be obvious but decided to clarify things just in case anyone tried drilling from 'inside' and got hurt.

J
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 27, 2009, 01:40:31
Had a bit of time today so I built front wheel.
It was only 'out' about 2~3mm of up and down and less than 2mm side/side so truing didn't take long.
 Side by side, the flanged WM3 rim looks huge compared to skinny stock WM1 rim.
 I painted spokes black so there would be some contrast with polished alloy, not sure if I like it, should have gone with a dark red or Honda red but its such a pain painting spokes I'm not doing it over. (maybe next time?)
Still have to glue mesh in place, seemed a better idea to do it after building/truing
 PJ
 Here's before, during and after pics.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Widewheel-1.jpg)
 all the 'inner' spokes get fitted first.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Widewheel-2.jpg)
Built but not trued, I got it to 0.015", may go over it again when I get time and get it below 0.010"
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Widewheel-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Dec 27, 2009, 01:44:58
Looks good man! And black goes with everything, 8) don't worry about it!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: miob on Dec 27, 2009, 04:11:00
I really like those black spokes.

Did you have any trouble respoking, or is that an easy job?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Dec 27, 2009, 11:45:36
PJ is probably going to have better advice here, but I re-laced some wheels for the first time recently and found it to be pretty easy if you take your time and pay attention. I watched a few how to videos on youtube and then went at it with a homemade stand. The key is when you tighten one you have to loosen two. If you tighten one a 1/2 turn then you loosen the opposite two on either side of it a 1/4 turn each. It took me about an hour each to get them pretty close to perfectly true. I have since obtained a dial indicator, When I do it again I will measure more accurately.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 27, 2009, 22:31:50
Lacing wheels is pretty easy, easier if you have something to look at for pattern (pictures work fine)
 You need close up of spoke grouping around valve hole it's important not to have angles overlap hole.
 Truing is where a degree of luck/skill comes in.
 Fix the up/down first then side/side ( I usually do whichever is worst first if its more than 1/8", then do as I previously said)
 You can use swing arm in vice instead of proper truing stand (I do)
 Couple of sticks to use as pointers works (rubber bands and chopsticks) although I use a 1" travel dial indicator inside rim where tyre fits, and down in the drop center for side/side.
You have to compensate for weld area though (on alloy rims DTI will mark polished surface, not a problem with chrome rims)
 I was watching TV while I built that one so it took longer than normal (about hour and half total, should have taken closer to 30mins but I'm out of practice)  ::)

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Dec 27, 2009, 22:37:06
Swing arm in a vice is a great tip!


I used flat steel with adjustable nuts and bolts as the "feeler" for the rim.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: manchestermichael on Dec 27, 2009, 22:53:24
really nice  tuch on the wheels thay look gr8  its all the small things that make a gr8 bike to me   :)  keep it up
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 04, 2010, 22:54:11
Just bought a spare swing arm and rear hub off eBay, going to do some 'work' on them. (bronze bushings are the easy bit)  ;D
 nothing else happening (couple of boring jobs done and finally finished, small 'irritating' stuff, no pictures)
Quiet Christmas, didn't do much of anything.
 Christmas present from wife arrived today, new rotary table for mill. (ordered and paid for on 11th December, came from Tampa, about 80~100 miles away >:()
 Will have to make some fixtures so I can finish off handlebar clamps and I have some other plans  ;)
 Probably going to do a bunch on XS800 in next few weeks, itds been tagged and titled 2 yrs and still not finished  :-[
 Still working 6:00am til 6:15pm, with travel its a long day  ::)
Left hand seems to be getting worse since accident in early October, really putting a damper on things.
 Unusually cold weather in Florida is also slowing things down (probably why I'm hurting all over?)
 All for now, need to sleep

PJ
 
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 05, 2010, 00:35:59
Thanks for the update PJ. Sorry to hear about the schedule - I know it's tough to get anything done except sleep and eating.

But at least you got some of the small irritating stuff out of the way!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Jan 05, 2010, 13:23:52
Left hand seems to be getting worse since accident in early October, really putting a damper on things.
What happened? Accident? Shit man, we may butt heads on occasion but I hate to hear of any brother eating pavement.

Unusually cold weather in Florida is also slowing things down (probably why I'm hurting all over?)

Wait.....no....really........they have that there? What constitutes 'cold'? Didn't hit 70 yesterday? Ha!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 06, 2010, 23:14:17
Hi Swagger,
 You'd probably like me if you knew me  ;D
I damaged nerves and tendons pull starting a Suzuki Ozark when it backfired (its a damn 250 atv)
Lot luckier than the other guy who got hurt, he dislocated shoulder.  :o
The electric start destroyed crankcase bosses but, no-one told me it backfired when trying to start it (until later-after I got hurt)
Still dont know cause, possibly faulty CDI running full advance, will have to get timing light on it sometime
Checked cam timing and flywheel key/keyway, all good.
 Everyone is afraid to go near it now  :D
 Its been close to freezing in Florida for about a week or more, run out of firewood (from trees I cut up during hurricanes in 2004  :o)
 I don't think it got up to 50f today and about 30~32 last night
 'We' are set up to loose heat so when it get 'cold' it feels real cold.
 Weather people are quite happy to tell you wind chill factor is going to make it feel like 20 degrees.
Mid 50's~70's is about normal temps this time of year.
 One good thing though, I should be back on single shifts at end of week so I only have to do 5:00am until 2:30pm fom next Monday

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 07, 2010, 22:19:24
Rear hub turned up today.  8)
I got lucky, it has already been bead blasted and came complete with axle, brake plate and chain adjusters (axle nut is only thing missing and I'm sure I have one stashed)
I filed out the webs between fins already so its looking smoother
 Going to mark it up for drilling over weekend.
 Not sure what to do with sprocket carrier side, havent seen anything that looks good when its drilled/filed out.
 Thinking of machining some 'fins' onto it or cutting away betwen webs inteernally then fitting mesh?
 Problem is, when I start cutting, I'm commited to it. (I guess I can always buy another if I really mess up or don't like it?  ::))
 Already decided to 'skeleton' the brake plate, drilled some holes for guide to where the internal webs 'live'
 Anyone drilled rear hub? got pics? any links?

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 10, 2010, 03:36:36
Swing arm arrived, its pretty rusty and dirty but I don't think its going to be too much of a problem
 Been too cold to do anything, below freezing all day (must be, there is ice in the crevices in/on trees next to house)
 definitely not set up for this weather.
 Went to doctors yesterday
 I'm officially sick, blood pressure up around 144~150 over 88~103 plus I have bronchitis and bunch of antibiotics  :o
 Guess its the reason I've been totally exhausted.
 Good news though, I'm only doing single shift next week, plus I'm going to have a day off sick to get some tests done 8)
 Maybe I'll feel well enough to actually do something useful (particularly if weather gets about 55f  ;D)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 10, 2010, 03:57:05
Geez Pj, I hate to sound like your doctor, but stay in bed and relax!

And in your free time help everybody out on here! Hint,hint....
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 10, 2010, 12:40:23
My father called me from Sarasota yesterday complaining about the cold. I had little sympathy. :(

Feel better friend.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Jan 11, 2010, 12:56:40
No....no way. An Ozark!? Damn......I have more sympathy for that that I would for someone getting their ass kicked doing something dumb. That sucks, hope it clears up soon. I have some nerve damage in my right knee from an incident. I know THAT brand of fun.
Quote
You'd probably like me if you knew me  Grin
You're probably right....

As well, I can relate to not being set up for cooler temps. I have a buddy who owned a hotel in Key West, spent a long lazy summer there after college. It hit 55* one fall day and I thought I was gonna die of hypothermia. There was a decided lack of awesome bikini action around that week.....
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 11, 2010, 21:43:34
nothing to report, except its still freezing, probably seeing it on news now as citrus crops are  being damaged (so price will be going sky high for 'fresh' OJ)
Ice out back hasn't melted for at least 4 days (maybe longer, I didn't check soon enough)
Single shift didn't happen, got home 7:30pm, something to eat, time for a shower and bed, ready to do it again tomorrow.
This is looking more like a blog than a build  :(

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 26, 2010, 17:16:37
Still nothing much happening with bike (although I am ordering tyres and chain this week  8))
After I  I complained to workman's comp insurance company, (they closed case  ::) ) its now re-opened and I'm seeing specialists most days this week :o
This makes me very nervous as insurance companies usually do all they can NOt to spend money.
 Th fact they are in daily contact and arranging things to suit me gives me the impression they fucked up by doing nothing when accident happened?
 Anyway, I have another appointment at 5.00pm today
 This is an update to let you all know I haven't stopped working on things, just slowed down a lot  :(

PJ
 
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Kanticoy on Jan 26, 2010, 17:56:48
Man hang in there PJ, and don't let the insurance companies eat you alive.  They are brutal.  BUT it does sound promising.

We'll still be hanging around when you get things going again!
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 28, 2010, 19:50:21
Thanks Kanticoy,
 still nothing happening with bike :-[  >:(  :(
 I've been seeing one specialist after another all week, and, I have appointments all next week.
 Getting a bit worried as I was 'eletrocuted for 45 mins yesterday (nerve conduction tests)
 Nerve going through elbow is messed up, dont know how bad but thats 'probably' whats causing problem with hand
 I'm seeing a hand surgeon on Monday which is freaking me out a bit.

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Jan 28, 2010, 19:53:50
Ya know what pisses me off? All these doctors who are effing rich are just "practicing" medicine.
Yeah I know that's semantics, but really.....why do we hear: "Let's try this and see how it works...."
Sucks man, hope it works out for you. I've got residual nerve damage in my left knee from college ball. No fun man.....
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: boingk on Jan 28, 2010, 20:03:04
Sheez, hope it all works out ok PJ. Mind you, I'd bet on this being true:

Quote
gives me the impression they fucked up by doing nothing when accident happened?

Least you don't have to pick up the tab for all this stuff I guess. Hope it goes okay and they fix you up.

Cheers - boingk
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: dcmspikes on Jan 28, 2010, 21:36:49
yeah, good luck PJ.  hopefully they can put you back together well enough to keep messing with your bikes
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 02, 2010, 22:01:39
Nothing much happening with bike (so no pics) but, I can still push buttons so tyres and chain are ordered, plus some 35/35 H4 bulbs and a chain for the Yamaha
 I'm getting Continental 'GO' 90/90x18 front and a 110/90 x18 rear
 Quite expensive but I know how I ride so I don't want Chen-Shin 'supersliders'
 Going on WM3 rims so should flatten out slightly ;)
 I decided I'm going to make a new top yoke out of flat plate so I wont have so much fork tube sticking through top (stock one drops down about 1")
If I like look of it when done I'm going to make another one for the 'dyno' bike
 
Swagger, it pisses me off as well, decided to add a bit about last week (and some on this week.)
 I had nerve conduction tests last Thursday, doctor was OK, probably stoned as he 'forgot' to electrocute me enough  ::)
 He was convinced it was carpal tunnel because the surgery I had 12 yrs ago wasn't done right. ::)
 Luckily, I had seen a Physiotherapist for evaluation two days before and they told me about nerve running thorough elbow which was probably causing problem with hand (the 'funny bone' nerve)
 Anyway, I mentioned this to the guy, he was quite apologetic for forgetting and sorry he was going to have to zap me some more............... ???
 I got electrocuted and stuck with pins (then electrocuted through pins  :o)
went to see hand surgeon yesterday, told me there as nothing he could do as the check sheet had wrong information,  ::) wrong joint on thumb (pull my finger  ;D)
 Said he would love to help if I could get authorisation from insurance  ::)
 Want's to do MRI on hand/elbow to find out whats going on
 Did fix me up with a steroid injection in thumb to help with joint pain and some steroid pills for inflammation which should help shoulder/elbow
 Only slept 4 hrs but was 'better' sleep than I have had since accident and felt pretty good in work (and seem OK at present even though I've been awake since 4.00am  :o)
 I have to have physical therapy couple of times a week but, I can start doing some light  work on bike's (did a bit of filing on XS800 bar mounts to remove casting marks this evening, clamped in vice, wasn't too bad)
Finally got round to ordering extra long drill bits to modify some parts, did some mods to mini headlight for 800 (will have to take some pics and post in chop&bob, no updates since 20th Dec  :-[)

PJ
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Rocan on Feb 02, 2010, 22:57:17
its good your getting back to work pj!

good luck with the therapy and stuff... i was on steroids for torn ligaments and a fractured ankle a bit ago....

really give you that get up and go... thats for sure.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 08, 2010, 18:20:03
I got a few things for XS800 (in bob & chop) and while I had camera out decided to take pic of reproduction speedometer I've got hold of for the 'cafe'.
 Not sure exactly how I'm going to mount it yet but I will be making something to make it look 'period' (the back is obviously modern)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Smitthsspeedo.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Big Rich on Feb 09, 2010, 11:53:30
That's pretty cool lookin. Is it in Kph or mph?
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 09, 2010, 19:36:49
It's miles, didn't realise I missed a bit when I took pic.
 I did wonder as 50Kph is about 30mph.
 I'll check it with GPS when I get done. (hich is taking far longerr than anticipated)
 I know I probably only needed 100~120mph one but this was same price so I got it.
 
 
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Big Rich on Feb 10, 2010, 10:11:42
It's ok  - somebody might think you'll need a speedo that goes up that far!  :D

I looked for one that only goes up to 80mph since if my bike goes faster than that, it's on fire going over a cliff anyway
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 11, 2010, 17:31:06
I've actually done something on bike  :o
hand/arm still messed up but I've been told I have to use it
Finally got extra long drill bit and gun drilled the cam for the modified oiling system
 The top end oiling is known weak point on CB360 (and 350/450, etc)
 Still have to drill the holes through cam lobes and bearings but it's a god start.
 I started modifying clutch cover as well, removed blanking plug from oil gallery.
 This thing should be pretty bulletproof when its done ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Camanddrill.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Feb 11, 2010, 17:36:20
Ya know I've wondered about hogging out the cams on the 450/500s that are here. Getting the extra oil to that point isn't in issue, just what I wanna do with it. Have you run a cam drilled like this before? Any longevity issues? I can't imagine that there would be if your hole is drilled on axis and not HUGE.....
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Rocan on Feb 12, 2010, 00:54:23
how did you align the cam for the drilling? ive been having wet dreams over a cam oiler system ever since i saw the one at this site...

http://www.vf750fd.com/vf750f/vintagerace.html


someone seriously has to start producing some of these parts stateside...
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: Swagger on Feb 12, 2010, 13:04:58
I guess I'm just thinking more on the old bikes and old metal. There've been a lot of advances in metarlugy since these old hondas came out. I know the Cosworth cams in my SuperIII are hollow and I seem to remember noticing that when i had the head off the R1 but I was looking for other things at the time.

My only other worry and again this comes form not having dealt with it before would be the umm.....outlet holes drilled in the lobed and journals causing fractures in that old brittle cast iron.

While were on the subject of cams and heads.....
What are your thoughts on head casting variations between the various iterations of the 450 and 500T? Lots of guys seem to say that the 500T head is better for building power but nobody has been able to say why exactly. I haven't compated a 500 vs 450 so I don't know. Think there's anything to it? I have both and will eventually compare if it's worth the effort.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: dcmspikes on Feb 14, 2010, 01:50:16
you do not need to worry about having a hole in the face of your lobe?  i could imagine that the hole would wear the valve surface or 'catch' on it.  i trust you have thought of this.  would it make any sense to drill the lobes off center?   just noob questions.  one day you might need to have a CB360 mod page.
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 15, 2010, 19:07:27
Here's pic of finished wheel for CB378
 plus, I'm going to put pics of different rim widths for comparison.
 'Finished' (unless I think of something else to do to it  ;D)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/360frontwheel.jpg)
 Rim widths, WM1, WM2, WM3
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Rimwidth.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Feb 24, 2010, 20:00:50

 Going to carve on rear hub, decided on pattern and modifications (if you think front is good just wait for this one..
After doing front hub I decided this time I'm going to polish it before I start cutting (its real difficult polishing around the holes)

Hand/elbow/shoulder seems to be getting worse, insurance company decided I don't need physical therapy until after I have follow up with specialist on 1st March  ::)
 Doctor who referred me no longer has ANY say in the matter so looks like I have to wait (and probably have to get attorney  :o)

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: m357.5 on Feb 24, 2010, 20:08:23
Haha, dig the name.

Shitty how insurance companies fuck people over, hate to say it, but a Lawyer is probably a good idea......I cant believe I said `Lawyer` and `Good` in the same sentance, suddenly I feel dirty LOL.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Mar 10, 2010, 13:14:32
I ain't been well  ;D
 Done a little more
Drilled oil holes in cam Saturday, broke drill bit, then, broke 0.035"CARBIDE bit inside 1/16" HSS bit
 Don't do this, it isnt a 'GOOD THING'  ;)
 Fast forward about 4~5 hrs, much cussing, more broken stuff, trip to Harbor Freight  bought diamond point burrs, and, its fixed (plus only 'slightly' oversize)
 Made some fixtures for new rotary table so I can finish makeing clip-on mounts
 Will take some pics when I wake up  :D
 Ended up in Hospital Monday night/Tuesday morning.
 Felt sick about 8:30pm so had early night, woke at 11:00 feeling real shitty and things went downhill from there.
Had bunch of tests, scans, sharp objects, meds pumped into me, only thing 'they' came up with, unknown cause vertigo?
 Anyway, slept for about 16hrs, woke up, took pills, slept another 5~6hrs, and here I am.
 Going back to work Friday, having a few days off (medical orders), all I can do is sleep (bit doped up at present)

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 10, 2010, 17:34:09
I was just wondering about how you were feeling yesterday. Any other news on the legal / medical front?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Mar 10, 2010, 20:11:32
Hi Big R, I finally woke up  :D
 Saw Doc, says its best not to make waves at present as insurance is doing what they are suppose to do, dragging things out seems 'normal'
 I'm having physical therapy 2~3 times a week it's helping a bit.
 More tests on 30th March and visit ith specialist on 4th April.
 anyway, here's picture of offending little bugger, the hole doesn't look too bad in close up  ;D
I'm not worried about the scuffs where drill snapped as they are on base circle and below surface so it won't affect tappet adjustment, and, being on 'thick' part of cam shpouldnt cause problms as stress raiseers.
 I'm going to set a degree wheel up on the cam and find out hat opening/closing points are, then work out here it relates to rockers/valve opening.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-messedupoilhole.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Mar 10, 2010, 20:29:27
damn pj.... glad to hear things are getting a bit better.

cam is looking good... maybe using a dremel to drill it wasnt such a great idea though  ;)

do the holes go straight through? my thinking would be that balance would be off if they didnt.

good luck with the medical stuff. you wouldnt believe how long it took for my doctors to realize i had three torn ligaments besides my fractured ankle. bastards. three months before my doctor just put me in the hospital for two days just to get mris done... otherwise insurance wouldnt do it as an outpatient procedure.

keep us posted on the build!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: dcmspikes on Mar 10, 2010, 20:51:19
shit PJ.  doesnt sound like fun.  thanks for reporting in and keeping everyone updated and sharing your knowledge.  get well soon
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Roc City Cafe on Apr 02, 2010, 21:14:10
any progress??? I'm interested in knowing more about the top end oil mod
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Apr 02, 2010, 23:53:36
any progress??? I'm interested in knowing more about the top end oil mod

same. this is one of my favorite threads on the entire site.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Apr 03, 2010, 12:53:39
Hi Guys,
 Well, had a major setback shortly after last post, ended up in emergency room overnight.
 I have never felt so bad in my life (even after busting 6 ribs I didn't feel too bad)
 Got something wrong with right ear/side of face. (docs don't really have a clue, best guess is unknown cause vertigo  ::))
Got bunch of intravenous drugs pumped into me then scans and x-rays
Spent 3 days in bed, slept for most of it.
Still having problem but now I'm just dealing with it (and pretty pissed off)
 Good news though,
I did manage to finish polishing rear rim last week and I did most of work on hub
Wife been letting me sit in front of TV with emery cloth and metal polish 'cause I been sick ;D
 Almost ready to machine some slots in it (this is going to be best looking Honda hub ever 8))
It's about impossible to make them look good because they are a weird shape that just 'looks heavy'
 Drilled cam cover and clutch cover but haven't finished machining or tapped holes yet plus, I have to polish clutch cover (and generator cover).
The clutch operating /sprocket cover is finished
 Managed to misplace the bag of nuts/bolts for cam cover/cyl head so that's not fitted.

 Pretty much had to buy wife a new car, its in 'Our Cages'
I just can't be bothered to work on cars with so many bike projects going on and unknown health problems (plus the known ones  :()
 All for now, going to work on something  ;D :D

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: diesel450 on Apr 03, 2010, 13:03:54
Damn Man, sorry to hear that. I had a thought, have you been tested for Menaire's syndrome? (not sure if I spelled that right) My father had it. The symptoms sound exactly like what you are going through, unexplained vertigo etc. It came on him in his late 50's and it took the doctors a couple years to figure out what it was. Might be worth looking into if you haven't already. My Dad ended up having "minor" Brain surgery (minor in quotes as there is no minor brain surgery) they detached a nerve that was the cause, it would act up effecting his inner ear and causing the problem. He has been fine since, for about the last 10 years or so. I encourage you to research it a bit and run it by your doc.

Feel well soon and lets see the work!!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Apr 03, 2010, 13:16:20
that sucks man. its good to see your still getting some work done. I cant wait to see whats been happening inside the home of a great bike builder.

when you said you drilled your clutch cover for a second i thought you were running a dry clutch and got excited  :D

where is the line running from? im thinking from the oil sump?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on Apr 03, 2010, 17:25:14
Wow PJ, I don't even know what to say. I hope you feel better and the docs can get it straightened out.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on Apr 06, 2010, 12:31:09
PJ...ya gotta quit swillin' carb cleaner....it'll get you every time!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Reinhard on Apr 06, 2010, 15:15:21
Hi Guys,
 Well, had a major setback shortly after last post, ended up in emergency room overnight.
 I have never felt so bad in my life (even after busting 6 ribs I didn't feel too bad)
 Got something wrong with right ear/side of face. (docs don't really have a clue, best guess is unknown cause vertigo  ::))
Got bunch of intravenous drugs pumped into me then scans and x-rays
Spent 3 days in bed, slept for most of it.
Still having problem but now I'm just dealing with it (and pretty pissed off)
 Good news though,
I did manage to finish polishing rear rim last week and I did most of work on hub
Wife been letting me sit in front of TV with emery cloth and metal polish 'cause I been sick ;D
 Almost ready to machine some slots in it (this is going to be best looking Honda hub ever 8))
It's about impossible to make them look good because they are a weird shape that just 'looks heavy'
 Drilled cam cover and clutch cover but haven't finished machining or tapped holes yet plus, I have to polish clutch cover (and generator cover).
The clutch operating /sprocket cover is finished
 Managed to misplace the bag of nuts/bolts for cam cover/cyl head so that's not fitted.
 Going to  measure opening /closing points and degree in the cam (haven't decided on timing yet, at least where it opens)
 Will use the numbers to make a 'proper' exhaust.
 I did finish cleanup and valve seat cutting on one of the Yamaha V-Max heads I've had here since last April  (one down, one to go  ;))
 Pretty much had to buy wife a new car, its in 'Our Cages'
I just can't be bothered to work on cars with so many bike projects going on and unknown health problems (plus the known ones  :()
 All for now, going to work on something  ;D :D

PJ

Sounds like Belles' Palsy
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Kanticoy on Apr 06, 2010, 18:19:35
Sounds like Belles' Palsy

+1 I know of several people who have it.  It can cause stroke like symptoms but nothing permanent at all.  Main symptoms are above the neck.

Glad you can still tinker PJ.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on Apr 06, 2010, 18:57:11
Main symptoms are above the neck.

Well that explains the face!

in all seriousness...I do hope this comes to a close soon. medical impediment both sucks AND blows (neither in a friendly way)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: hillsy on Apr 07, 2010, 07:50:07
Shit - not good to hear that PJ - hope you get better soon bud  ;)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Apr 08, 2010, 19:00:20
Hi All,
Thanks for messages and suggestions, going to write it all down and ask doc about it next week (appointment on 15th)

 I did some major carving on rear hub and brake plate.
 Hub looks real good even without paint.
 It is going to be totally awesome (really)
Got a few holes to drill and tap then I'll take pics.
 I'm actually pretty excited about it as I can picture exactly what it's going to look like, and, its going to be good (and you lot know I don't get excited about bikes easy  :D)

 Not sure about brake plate, will try it out after making an internal brace (if there is enough room)
 It should be of interest to Microsoft (has 'windows'  ;D)
 did a lot of carving, all the internal and external ribs are still in place, but not much else.
 Even carved around center (as its only needed to locate on axle, shouldn't have any torque applied)
I'm glad I bought a spare,(or two  ;)) just in case I don't like it.
May drill one to sort of match front, will have to assemble before making decision.

PJ
 
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Apr 08, 2010, 21:49:57
once pj finishes his bike, well all be put in enough shame that we just wont build anything afterwords and just look at his bike and have wet dreams about it all night.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: dcmspikes on Apr 08, 2010, 23:35:17
/\ +1
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Apr 23, 2010, 22:41:07
Finally got hub 99% finished, also got bill from hospital.
 Insurance company got billed almost $12,000 but negotiated it down to about $4,000.
 I still have to pay about $1,500.
Almost $300 an hour 'my cost'  :o
 Anyway, here's pics of rear hub, needs a bit of cleaning and touch up.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Rearhub1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Rearhub2.jpg)

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Rearhub3.jpg

I'm not worried about it being weakened as it was probably designed for worst case scenario of 5~600lbs loading and even at 225 I probably wont be stressing it outside of its limits (but I do have a spare hub if cracks develop later)
 The weak point is the big circlip holding sprocket on, that hasn't been touched.
 Was a lot more work than anticipated,  I drilled and tapped 4mm thread inside hub to hold perforated plate (you can't drill thin perforated plate, drill 'catches' and tears up pretty good)
I ended up making a 5 piece punch plate , drilled 4mm hole to allow punching out holes in perf plates. Made punch out of ld Harley spoke (4mm, surprised me  ;))
 Was at different docs yesterday, more different meds, maybe this will work?
 will keep everyone informed

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Apr 24, 2010, 00:02:00
glad to see an update! ouch on the bill. i learned last week that my labour is worth 70 dollars an hour. i get 8.50 an hour. so thats why my boss wont fire me....


keep us informed! this thread inspires me to work... and gives me some serious ideas!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: diesel450 on Apr 24, 2010, 10:21:41
Hospital bills  suck.

Rocan- you need to ask for a raise. 
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Apr 24, 2010, 19:31:26
Rocan- you need to ask for a raise. 
:D i just got raised from 7.50 to 8.50. i get all my bicycle parts at cost so i consider that a big part of why i dont need a raise. maybe this summer when im working more then once a week ill ask for one.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on Apr 24, 2010, 23:22:41
Thanks for the update PJ! I'm sure I speak for everybody - hope the meds help out.

That hub looks amazing! Great work!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 02, 2010, 11:04:33
Built the rear wheel yesterday, it looks even better assembled.
Didn't scuff spokes up enough so paint didn't stick to chrome too well (plus, I got impatient  ;D)
 Inside hubs are painted because they will be visible through 'vented' brake plates.
 Rear is getting flat head stainless allen bolts to hold mesh in place (when I finish modifying them)
 Probably going to do some work on V-Max heads later
Here's link to 378 album
http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN3682.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN3684.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN3685.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: dcmspikes on May 02, 2010, 12:17:58
wow.  those look great.  almost want to take my wheels apart and cut away.  glad to see youre getting to work on the bikes
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: manchestermichael on May 02, 2010, 19:24:15
looking super  i just built my wheels up  its a nice feeling   
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on May 03, 2010, 00:35:11
:o Threadjack  ;D
I've had my own business and I used to run workshops, you need to keep track of billable hours.
 It's really unusual to be able to work more than 6.5~7.0 hrs a day (8 hr day) little things get in the way (B.S.with customers, getting parts, 'bathroom breaks', test rides, etc)
 That isn't the same as billable hours (what customer pays for fixed price jobs)
 You also have to take into account the shop insurance, property taxes, lights and other overheads necessary just to stay in business (things that don't go away even if there is no work)

PJ

sorry for the jack pj.

yeah i hear you on the cost of labor.i worked 7.50 an hour for the past 5 months before my boss gave me a raise to 8.50. i just couldnt ask for it since i know that the profit isnt all that great. business took off this summer though... i know for a fact its in the budget to get a little raise.

end thread jack.


that wheel looks amazing. is the blue a hint at the color of the rest of the bike? also i get the feeling that brake dust will make that wheel loose its beauty.  :(
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 08, 2010, 17:12:55
Nah, blue is international standard colour for sectioned parts.
 Went to true wheel this morning, wasn't happy with the aftermarket spokes into Yamaha rim, screwed down a bit far for my liking so needed cup washers under nipples.
The Yam rim also has slightly deeper 'dimples' in rim than Honda
Went to Home Despot and bought 4 packs of # 10 brass washers (come in 10 to pack  ::)) then domed them.
 They are thicker than 'proper' spoke nipple washers so perfect for this application
 Raised a burr, so had to file 36 to fit nipples (did the other 4 as well, ready for 'next time'  ;D)
 Just finished fitting washers, heres pic of what I had to modify (its close up, really about one third size shown)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DIYSpokenipplewashers.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on May 09, 2010, 00:35:24
that took ages to do... didnt it?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 09, 2010, 01:45:39
Took about 45min to do washers then another 20~30 mins to fit them under nipples on wheel. (and a little while to true wheel  ;D)
Thumb  and finger got a bit filed down de-burring the holes  ;)
Rear wheel got trued to eight thousandths of inch.(front is at ten thou)
Both will need redoing after a few hundred miles.
 You can't true out the weld area though I tried  ::) (took me a little while to figure out why I had 0.030" 'hop')

Wheels are now 99.9999% done, (still want to fit stainless flat heads to hold mesh into brake drum)
 Probably posted already but, I fitted 90/90x18 front and 110/90x18 rear on WM3 XS650 rims.
Total for both wheels is in the 50~60 hrs range, stupid amount of time but I think they look pretty good and they are a lot lighter than 'narrow' stock rims, about 40lbs with tyres for pair  :o
Because of the polishing on rims, it wouldn't have been much quicker with new rims (unless I bought the $2~300.00 ones from Buchanan's) Now you all know what $1500~$2,000.00 wheels look like  ;)
 Guess it means I can't sell it  8)
 Got appointment with surgeon on Monday, elbow/fingers seem to be getting worse again (pretty stressed about it)
Anyway, here's pic
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Wheels-finished.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on May 09, 2010, 02:25:33
man those look great. 40 lbs is damn light... a stock 350 front wheel with axle weighed about 26 lbs when i shipped it... LACKING tire.

good luck with the surgeon... glad to see your still getting stuff done!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: CrescentSon on May 09, 2010, 09:15:27
Damn PJ, you're working on a 15,000.00 cafe. Slap a dozen decals on it and post it on Carpy's site. :)

Joking aside, that is really nice work. Sorry to hear about the continuing medical pains.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on May 09, 2010, 11:12:52
Sorry to hear about more medical issues. Hope you get some good news soon.

Wheels look amazing PJ!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 10, 2010, 17:20:11
Not update on bike but update on me
 Surgeon says I have 3 separate issues going on which need 3 separate surgeries.
 Luckily they can all be done at the same time.
 Having an MRI on shoulder next week to see exactly whats gone wrong there, wont know about elbow until I'm 'opened up', (there are two types of repair, micro/'keyhole' surgery and major surgery  :o :o)
 Thumb has problem inside joint which is a 'simple' fix   ???
 Doc says I should be off a couple of days, doesn't recommend driving for a few days~week (I have manual transmission) and doesn't recommend riding bike for at least 8~10 weeks (as its been almost 8 months so far, that won't be any more of a problem than it is already)
 Will probably be at least another month before anything 'major' happens
 Now it depends on insurance company, will they pick up tab for total or try and say some of it isn't needed ?
 As for the other issues I had, just discovered I have a $1,500.00 annual co-pay that I knew nothing about and CIGNA wont pay their 70% until I get to $5,500?
Seems pretty weird as I didn't sign up for that and, they are already paying part costs?
 My wife used to work in medical billing, she's going to call tomorrow and maybe get things sorted out
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: m357.5 on May 10, 2010, 17:31:36
You'd be surprised how much they can fix with orthoscopic surgery. They were expecting to do the BIG cut on me, but scoped it first, once he was in there he repaired LOTS and all I have is 5 small incisions. Startin to be able to move it a bit, pain is getting much better too....only 3 weeks since my surgery, and I'm feelin pretty good, not great but good. He left my elbow alone, think he should have done the ulner nerve at the same time, tinglin fingers is gettin worse again.

Are they doing an arthrogram on your shoulder or just an MRI ? Arthrograms show more, but they fill the joint up with dye, they missed twice on me and got it on the 3rd try, bruised up like a 3 dollar whore after a good beat down from a pissed pimp LOL.

Hope your insurance covers the big $ for you PJ. Get better man.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 25, 2010, 22:53:49
Had MRI on 17th and went back to see doc on 24th.  
More steroid injections into shoulder and thumb. Going back in 5 weeks for further evaluation. Thumb hurts like hellat present after novocain (or whatever) wore off
 I made some fixtures so I could mount degree wheel and magnetic base to check cam timing with the 0.030" skimmed head and big bore 'kit'
 Cam timing is seriously mild (at 0.040" lift)
 intake opens 5deg BTDC and closed 42deg after BDC
 Exhaust opens 42deg before BDC and closes 7 deg after TDC.
 This is retarded from stock due to head being closer to block (chain in effect, gets 'longer' so cams open later)
 I'll slot bolt holes a bit and get things moving probably 5 deg earlier
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Checkingcamtiming.jpg)
I also made some real good headway on the Katana fork conversion, bottom yoke has steering stem removed and all the casting/forging marks ground off then smoothed with 80 grit flap wheel. Got to remove stem from 360 yoke and weld into Suzuki one. Looks like bottom bearing area is same diameter on Honda and Suzuki which should make life easy. Forgot to take picture of it, may get one tomorrow

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on May 25, 2010, 23:08:01
bout time you got off your ass and did something  ;)

looking good pj... how did you mount the degree wheel to the crank? i have one but havent thought of a way to mount it yet.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on May 26, 2010, 12:38:47
What are your thoughts on overlap?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on May 26, 2010, 16:54:21
You probably have a 3/4" hole in degree wheel, need to find some washers that will support outside (fender washers, ~5/16"hole, ~inch and quarter OD) and a washer that fits into center with a 8mm hole to keep it centered on crank.
 Use a shorter bolt to clamp it all together
 I got a piece of angle and drilled some holes to mount onto rocker cover bolts (with spacers to keep it level)
 Have you got dial indicator with magnetic base yet?.
 You need extension for indicator to reach down to spring retainer (although, working in a cycle shop you can probably find a spoke the correct thread and make extension, use shortened spoke nipple as locknut)
 I'll get pic of top end set up tomorrow. (and pic of bottom yoke)


i have the motion pro degree wheel... the hole on it is TINY.

as for the dial indicator, dont have one... any tips on where i can find a good one?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 27, 2010, 15:56:28
i have the motion pro degree wheel... the hole on it is TINY.

as for the dial indicator, dont have one... any tips on where i can find a good one?

 You only need a 8mm hole for bolt, still need some washers to support things though, file or drill it to fit if it's 6mm
 I got some 1" travel DTI with magnetic bases from Harbor Freight tools, they are only about $20.00 'set' when on offer. (and about $26.00~$33.00 other times)
You only really need one, just swap between intake/exhaust for readings. ( I have 7 or 8 now, some good Mitutoyo and some special ones for twostroke timing plus some others for setting milling machine)


Swagger,
 Overlap is a good thing, allows exhaust pulse to draw extra mixture in at 'tuned' rpm.
More overlap and narrow lobe centers push powerband up rpm range though.
 If you've been searching you'll findit's difficult to find decent information online
 Modern bikes can run at up to 130% V.E. because of almost vertical intake port angles  (even without 'ram air')
 Old stuff  can get around 80%  at high rpm (which is a pretty good number with 90 degree bend in intake)
 Its less than 100 % at low rpm because of some flow reversion, gets around 100% at 4,500~ rpm even with flow reversion (which is partly accounts for super rich mid range when pods get fitted, messes up tuned lengths)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on May 27, 2010, 16:22:57
I've been looking at grinds for the 500T and some are getting close to 50* at "stock" settings and this seems pretty excessive to me. At some point it's gonna cross a line between acceptable losses and outright wastefulness.

Fucking cams! Every time I feel like I'm fairly well educated I find something else I need to know. As it stands I'm probably going to have to convert to coil springs and maybe one-off rockers. This crap gets outta hand so quick!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 27, 2010, 20:54:07
Here's pic of DTI (dial test indicator) and angle plate.
 You have to use an extension on DTI so your measuring off spring retainer.
 I have very light springs fitted to one side only, no valves in right side (easier to turn and more accurate to measure)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Camtimingtopview.jpg)
 I also stripped front end off one of the other 360's to get bottom yoke out for steering stem (not going to cut up the one I modified earlier in posts)
 I may build engine out of it as its only done about 800 miles plus, still has kickstart shaft.
Bumpstarting is looking a bad idea for streetbike?  ::)
 Still going to build it though, track/race bike will need engine.
I should have 3 done eventually.
 Thumb joint is hurting a lot, much more than expected after 3 days
 I can barely wash my hands it's so bad  :(   :'(
PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on May 27, 2010, 22:58:39
ok so let me get this right...

the degree wheel attached to the crank along with the dial test indicator on the valve spring retainer tells you at what degree the cam is opening up the valves right?

cool setup... that sucks on the thumb man...
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 28, 2010, 18:46:12
There are plenty of instructions online about degreeing cams.
 You'll have to swap between 2 pages for the pics.
 First find TDC with a positive stop, easy with head off, just bolt a bar across cylinder.
Set degree wheel pointer to zero at TDC.
 Cam timing is measured with zero lash but 0.040" lift (by turning cankshaft/cam, when DTI hits 40 thou, that's when flow is said to 'start')
Rockers slide sideways but don't move up and down to get zero valve clearance

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on May 29, 2010, 13:33:48
Woke too early this morning, bored with motor work so decided to finish the Suzuki yoke conversion.
 Ground  the seams and edges down, removed stem from CB360 bottom yoke, cleaned everything up and welded  back together.
This is what I started with
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/KatanaStockYoke.jpg)

This is just welded in, before I cleaned it up
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/th_KatanaYokeHondaStem.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/?action=view&current=KatanaYokeHondaStem.jpg)

this is what it looks like from the 'top' after I ground all the nastiness off (and radiused around where pinch bolts fit)
Lock stops modified for Honda frame
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/KatanaYokeHondaStemtop.jpg).
 It's going to increase trail because it has less offset than stock 360 but I have further plans to get steering back to where it should be.
 Was planning riding out to Dime City Cycles (being getting bike ready during week, hasn't been anywhere for months)
Weather isn't looking good, lightning alarms just gone off, rain about to start anytime. (115 miles each way has lost it's appeal  ;))

PJ

Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: CrescentSon on May 30, 2010, 22:03:55
I got to critique some stuff (to everyone living vicariously through these posts,  it's what I do, live with it)
Did a bit of how/why
 Left some idea's kicking around

Only great good can come from this.  ;D
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jun 01, 2010, 19:02:19
Worked on top yoke to get it fitted onto Honda stem yesterday.
Spraybombed bottom yoke
Got real impatient this afternoon after work.
 Decided to fit front end and see what spacers, etc I'll need (plus, I really wanted to see what it's going to look like)  :D
 Didn't have time or inclination to empty garage so worked in the walkway (my wife would go nuts if she saw this, I've already taken over a bunch of space  :o)
It's going to need suspension travel shortened a bit (probably down to 4") and will still have a couple of inches of fork sticking through top yoke.
 I can always put bars on top if it looks too much
Here's some pics  8)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Newfrontend-right.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Newfrontend-left.jpg)



Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jun 01, 2010, 20:24:10
god... that looks hella sexy.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: hillsy on Jun 01, 2010, 20:35:25
Not using the pit-bike front end??
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Kanticoy on Jun 01, 2010, 23:33:52
That does look extremely nice my friend.  That shouldered wheel does it for me with that drum.  Nice nice combo.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jun 02, 2010, 01:37:33
god... that looks hella sexy.

Posted by: hillsy
Not using the pit-bike front end??

Posted by: Kanticoy
That does look extremely nice my friend.  That shouldered wheel does it for me with that drum.  Nice nice combo.

Thanks all, I knew it would look good, just didn't know how good  ;D
Now I'm deciding if I'm going to paint lowers black, leave silver or polish?   ::)

Hillsy,
 The blue forks are stock 1992 (?) GSXR 750, (one year only)
 Would be perfect length for 360 but I dont want 17" 3 spoke cast wheels and I think they may look a bit heavy?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: hillsy on Jun 02, 2010, 01:47:26
Hillsy,
 The blue forks are stock 1992 (?) GSXR 750, (one year only)
 Would be perfect length for 360 but I dont want 17" 3 spoke cast wheels and I think they may look a bit heavy?

Ahhh...so they are. I saw the blue and I thought they were pit bike forks ;D

I think you're right - USD forks would look too beefy for that front end.

Nice stuff ;)
Title: Yet another title change !
Post by: crazypj on Jun 05, 2010, 14:53:26
Just a quick update while I'm cooling off and having lunch (laptop in front of TV is great   ;D
I look like I'm working under a sprinkler, sweating so much  :o
 It's a bit warm here, 91 degrees outside, 80 in garage (have to have door open)

Took a couple of painkillers this morning cos' I was hurting a bit  ;)
Anyway, took top end back off motor after checking cam timing, almost 0.080" rotation of cam relative to sprocket
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378timingoffset.jpg)

Forgot to post pics of front end before/after
This is what I started with for top yoke
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378Katanatop-before.jpg)
This is how it looks now, top radiused, hole bored to fit Honda stem still needs a bunch more work, de-seamed, polished, etc (may paint it though? thought's/comments welcome)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378Katanatop-after.jpg)
Still have to strip forks and lower them (going to shorten suspension movement to about 4" total instead of 5.1")
 Probably won't pull them apart until I get new seals.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on Jun 07, 2010, 19:27:45
Nice top clamp, what's that from? Hell...if it's smooth enough I'd polish that thing, it's so simple and clean looking, it would really stand out nicely.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jun 08, 2010, 02:31:19
stock 'Pre 98'  Katana.
 I couldn't leave it stock though, too angular, so, had to radius the top edge.
 I'd like to get some 99 GSXR 600/750 forks, they look exactly like Kat ones but are almost 2" shorter, plus, full cartridge.
 That would be total overkill though and would mean getting real good shocks to match

Made some new throttle cables this morning, hope to make some 'crescents' to fit into cam sprocket later today
I can then re-check cam timing and finish building motor.
 Ran some numbers with present cam timing, need to make front pipes 3" longer to collector and 7" shorter at tail end compared to the system I made for testing.
Numbers will change, depending on where exactly cam timing ends up.
I'm hoping to be around 47~49deg before BDC (at 1mm lift)
 Made this Saturday, MkIV tach drive block off plug.
 It's evolving every time I make another one  :D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360revcounterdriveplug1.jpg)

Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jun 13, 2010, 01:28:24
Ever had days when nothing goes right?
 well, I did on Thursday, Friday almost as bad (doctor appointment, physical therapy)  :(
 Made several very small parts and managed to lose them, eventually made enough parts to make new throttle cables for both sets of  VM carbs, (XS800 and CB378. )

 Lost couple of sets of 'crescents' for cam sprocket holes so, after about 4hrs losing stuff, gave up and went to work

 Today though, ever had a day when everything goes right, almost by accident, it still goes right  ;D
 Wife didn't want me getting oily in garage (we had to go 'visit' people) so I only got hour and half tonight

 Made crescents for cam sprocket, took about 15 mins (from a 20mm bar.  :o)

 They fill up the space where bolt holes got filed out to slots, sprocket can't move when engine is running (read reports of CB350 sprocket bolts coming loose and/or cam timing slipping)
It's not the correct way to re-time cam but it is less work than doing it correctly and, the timing marks 'almost' line up so there is less chance of getting things wrong in future (correct way is slot one hole only, advance cam one full tooth then adjust timing to where you want it, do second hole to line up with bolt edge on cam)

 7mm outside diameter, 7mm inside diameter, 0.064" offset.  8) (this only works for my skimmed head)

 dropped cam sprocket bolt Thursday, couldn't find it anywhere, today, almost stepped on it, it was just 'there'  :D

Cam timing is now  (at checking lift)
intake opens 10 degrees before top dead center
intake closes 34.5 degrees after bottom dead center
 Total open = 224.5 degrees
Max lift 0.320"(not corrected)
 
exhaust opens 48.5 degrees before bottom dead center
exhaust closes 1 degree before top dead center
total open 229.5 degrees
 max lift 0.310" (not corrected)
Surprising, thought it would be substantially more on intake than exhaust?

I guess that's why CB360's  don't run as well as CB350's?
 Not ready to spend $400.00 on a 'race' cam though, particularly as stock 'mild' cam allows 11,500 rpm

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN3743.jpg)
Normally timing mark is completely level with gasket surface, this one 'lifts' to left. You can just about make out timing pin at 6:00 o clock position lining up with factory mark on oilseal housing
 How close did I set things?
this close
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN3744.jpg)

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jun 13, 2010, 01:32:45
fuck pj, stop screwing up. look at that... your timing is a whole .00005 degrees off!

haha, in all seriousness. AMAZING work PJ. cant wait to see whats up next! im learning, but slowly.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: dcmspikes on Jun 13, 2010, 01:37:53
i really hope when you are finished you will have a guide to all of these mods for us 360 owners.  this is good stuff
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: midnightcafe on Jun 13, 2010, 17:04:50
impressive work! PJ, are you a machinist?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jun 13, 2010, 22:53:26
impressive work! PJ, are you a machinist?

Trained as a machinist in the 70's, mainly so I could make bike parts (it was mostly BSA, Triumph and Royal Enfield's then, except for the odd 'old' Honda  :D)
 Specialised in turning, +/- 2 micron tolerance on most parts (except the time we had -0.000mm + 0,002mm)

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: ADPete on Jun 26, 2010, 23:57:53
great werk man! i love that yer machining all yer own shiz! keep it up....
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jun 27, 2010, 01:23:18
damn! looks good...

if you want to machine me one for my 500t forks id pay ya!

these mount around the fork lower tops right?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on Jun 28, 2010, 16:34:40
Gotta love a ball end and rotary table!
Looks like a nice start PJ, I've been thinking about a brace for the 500. My front end is a hodgepodge though so it'll have to be one-off as well.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jun 29, 2010, 13:47:19
Got these today,
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360newshocks.jpg)
 eBay ad says France but they come from China.   :o
Stupid fast delivery, 2 days freight.  8)
Almost get sent back because post office couldn't deliver (road outside house still messed up)
 I was here all day last Wednesday (physical therapy Tues, Fri, Docs Thursday) so I know no-one tried.
 If I hadn't e-mailed seller asking for tracking number they would have ended up back in China as I was expecting 6~8 weeks.
 USPS 'tried' to deliver last week, seller sent tracking number with USPS unable to deliver notice message, today is 5th day without pick up .(they didn't leave a card)
I may make a new spring seat and eye to use original springs, these have 9 working coils, original has 12 working coils so is softer.
 I'll have to get bike finished and try them before I make a decision.
 Feels like gas pressure may be different in each shock but I wasn't expecting them to be 'plug and play' so it's no big deal, I'll just check and re-set pressure if it needs it.
 Anyway, price is right, good base even if they need rebuilding (and, I'm curious to see whats inside them  :D)

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: sxecafe on Jun 29, 2010, 14:14:44
Well that just up'd the game a little bit, haha. Nice shocks dude.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jun 29, 2010, 15:09:07
link to those shocks if they are any good! I want a good set of gas shocks, but it seems most of the ones off ebay just fail on people.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on Jun 29, 2010, 16:02:17
They are ....decent....but as PJ notes, even if they need to be rebuild and/or tweaked the price is ok.
Beware the clevis if you get them for your Honda, notorious for breaking but it's a simple part and not too bad to have machined. They are a touch under damped and really firmly sprung so keep that in mind.
The materials seem to be pretty good and other than the aforementioned bum clevis the machining is pretty good for the price point.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 01, 2010, 03:05:47
More bits turned up today, going to be a busy weekend

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Forkseal2.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jul 01, 2010, 03:21:30
saweettt  ;D
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 03, 2010, 20:34:46
Pretty damn annoying, the fork brace I spent 8hrs (+) on last week wont work and is scrap.
 It worked OK on paper and I though maybe I could salvage it with 6mm instead of 8mm bolts, but, no go
 Spent all day cutting and drilling 'new' design
MkIII is same as MkII except clamping bolts are about quarter of inch further apart.
Took way longer than expected but I spent a lot more time checking measurements, marking out, drilling, tapping.
 As soon as I stamp 'A-A' and 'B-B' (so they don't get switched later) I can machine centers out. Have to be marked because  they will be fitted as matched pair.
 Here's pic of old and new, you can see amount of shift in bolts on right pair (new on top)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ForkbraceMkIIMkIII.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 05, 2010, 20:25:41
Spent all day today making metal chips
 this is what first one looks like.
 Still not finished, more radius work needed on backing piece anfd the bolt holes still have to be counter-bored.
 I must be crazy, this is about 4 days so far (30+hrs)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ForkbraceMkII1.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Tim on Jul 05, 2010, 20:43:28
Well, just think!  You could make them and sell them for, oh, $1000 or so to recoup some of the cost ;)

Pretty awesome work regardless - would love to see a bit more on how you're actually making them.  Clearly not a program-the-CNC-and-wait thing.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: jay_kent on Jul 05, 2010, 21:27:48
Well, just think!  You could make them and sell them for, oh, $1000 or so to recoup some of the cost ;)

Pretty awesome work regardless - would love to see a bit more on how you're actually making them.  Clearly not a program-the-CNC-and-wait thing.

+1 on that.

Those look great so far. Would like to see a vid on how you are doing them as well. Between you and Swagger there is a school of knowledge and experience that many of us would love to know.

Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: diesel450 on Jul 06, 2010, 00:53:41
+1 on all that! remember its a prototype they get quicker after you work it all out.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 06, 2010, 10:13:13
Hi Guys,
this is second prototype, quicker than first one that didn't work.   (I gave up on that one after about 8~12 hrs)
 It's still going to take some time  to make, they are labour intensive.
 I have a small 'benchtop' mill (1hp), rotary table and a bunch of different cutters.
 Probably about same amount tied up in machinery as some people have in a good home computer ($2,500~$3,000ish, probably not a good idea to total it up  :D)
Cutting, drilling and set up is time consuming.
 It does make it way more exclusive though.
 If I ever made another one for sale I would need about $250.00 which is just too much for a CB360 exclusive part, particularly as I would still not be making a profit. (although I think it will also fit a CB400f?)
 I see the 'Cafe Fabrications' CB750 CNC bottom yoke (lower triple tree) is $650 for a CNC part, that's just a slab of alloy (bottom of big arse projects header page)
I timed how long my clip-on's would take, about 12 hrs a pair for the clamps (the bars are just bars cut up, about $30~$70 extra)
 I could make 'slabs' faster, I just dont like the way they look-unfinished.
 I'm beginning to think I should make an exclusive thread for machining stuff, it's still big arse projects  ;D?

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on Jul 06, 2010, 10:46:39
I hear ya PJ - and I don't even machine the same kind of parts as you. Cutting metal is easy...... it's the "not coming flying out at you" part that will get ya.

But I would like to see a thread on smaller machined parts  ;)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: jay_kent on Jul 06, 2010, 10:47:01
I think that's actually a pretty good idea. a machinist thread. Guess it wouldn't be in the $50 dollar mod thread. not with the cost of material/machine /time
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: CrescentSon on Jul 06, 2010, 20:55:47
The only problem with the "machining" thread is it would quickly degrade into the "all of us poor schlubs without tools and experience begging you to make us shit" thread.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on Jul 07, 2010, 11:59:59
I'm down!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: JRK5892 on Jul 07, 2010, 12:31:17
i also think a machine thread would be dope! i was using the mill last night to make a damper block to go with the clamp that swag made me!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 22, 2010, 01:09:46
Almost finished fork brace, spent all day today on it.
 Still needs counter-bore for Allen bolts, machine back at angle for extra tyre clearance and maybe some slots in top piece, 'just because'  ;D
anyhow, here's pics
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ForkbraceMkIII-nearlyfinished1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ForkbraceMkIII-nearlyfinished2.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: scottychop on Jul 22, 2010, 02:35:22
That is a thing of beauty.........drool.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: tonuppirate on Jul 22, 2010, 07:58:51
sweet, very sweet
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on Jul 22, 2010, 09:43:27
Yeah PJ, good work so far.

As much as a PITA it can be to work on someone else's car, it is a relief to get it done.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: JRK5892 on Jul 22, 2010, 11:15:53
man now that is just great!!!! you using a mill for that?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: VonYinzer on Jul 22, 2010, 12:27:50
Thats amazing PJ. Very cool.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: midnightcafe on Jul 22, 2010, 12:48:32
nice job using the ball end mill!
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jul 22, 2010, 13:00:48
damn PJ beautiful work! love it... cant wait to see how things go.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Swagger on Jul 22, 2010, 23:56:39
Just make'm PJ....T-nuts are easy, especially if you can do this stuff....
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Manic Mechanic on Jul 23, 2010, 17:30:56
Have you dug into the Chinese dampers yet? I've got a set aswell and wanted to know if they really are gas assisted  ;D ;D
I'm guessing the piggyback is just for show.
They don't look bad from far away but up close you can tell they are a bit cheap. The spring adjusters look the worst.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 23, 2010, 19:46:01
Just make'm PJ....T-nuts are easy, especially if you can do this stuff....
Have you dug into the Chinese dampers yet? I've got a set aswell and wanted to know if they really are gas assisted  ;D ;D
I'm guessing the piggyback is just for show.
They don't look bad from far away but up close you can tell they are a bit cheap. The spring adjusters look the worst.


 I been making them, should have 'stadardised on a thread though  ;D (well I sort of did, just wasn't smartest idea to use 10x1.25 because I have bunch of engine bolts, etc)

 Ain't got into dampers yet, been busy doing other stuff (mostly machining and polishing covers)
 Won't be puling them apart for at least another week.
I will probably make a one piece lower spring seat/mounting fork.
 Clutch cover is drilled and tapped for oil line, going to make some fittings when its back on motor
 Going to put valves back into head later and get top end buttoned up, curved 'wedges' I made should re-locate cam back in correct position but I'll degree it anyway
 I did finally finish fork brace though, put pic in machining thread
 It really is an incredibly nice piece of kit, I almost want to frame it   8)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360forkbrace-finallyfinished.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jul 24, 2010, 02:56:21
awesome work pj. you should update the machining thread with pictures of your mill/tooling.  ;D
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 24, 2010, 17:21:56
Got top end of motor finished, (except for oil line and fitting, that has to wait until clutch cover is polished)
 Thought I'd take pic of correct valve spring fitting as I've seen a few with springs on upside down over the last year or so.
 Inner and outer springs are dual rate, 'closed' coils become , in effect, a solid block which will cause valve float at high rpm if fitted upside down.
 Correct way up they act as a spacer and spring rate increases (less working coils when compressed)
Here's pic
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-valvespringsexhaust.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: HerrDeacon on Jul 25, 2010, 07:24:18
Great info PJ, I'm sure I've put a few in upside down in my years due to not knowing.

Is this the same for all bikes? Or just a Honda thing?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 25, 2010, 10:23:43
Great info PJ, I'm sure I've put a few in upside down in my years due to not knowing.

Is this the same for all bikes? Or just a Honda thing?


 It's the same for 'everything' (cars, bikes, industrial engines)  ;D
 Fork springs are different, they have close coils UP in most cases (unsprung weight thing  ::))
 I made some good progress on clutch cover polishing yesterday, no pics as it's not shiny enough yet  ;D
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: jay_kent on Jul 25, 2010, 10:56:33
Thanks for that spring info, I'm about to put those in this week. I would have put the all springs in the same way but It'd be 50/50 if I got it right.

it's this type of detail that needs to be cataloged and put into a book, The DTT Motorcycle Re-builders Guide.


Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 25, 2010, 21:07:47
Had a busy day,Home Despo, bought new battery for mower and mowed the weeds (and some grass  ;D), new motion detector porch light bought and fitted, shined up clutch cover for 360.
 Not too happy with it as there are some pretty deep scratches I didn't get out (to left of 'H')
It was pretty bad from an accident (well before I got hold of it.)
 'H' is still damaged but I too out the real deep marks above, below and to rear of it
 This is 'off the mop', needs a clean soft rag to remove the polish
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360clutchcover.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: jay_kent on Jul 25, 2010, 22:59:05
Looks real shiny, even with the polish on it. Going to come out real nice.
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 27, 2010, 03:08:00
Motor is almost finished, waiting for clutch cover and oil line
Bought some scrap CB360 bits off eBay to cut up and check a few things were possible before I messed up good stuff
Did a little bit of modding to primary drive gear, clutch is also modified and fitted with CB350 'race' springs
 Pic of rusty drive gear on left, (bottom side has been ground at angle) and modified almost new gear.
Next one I do will be at a different (steeper) angle if this one holds up
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360primarygear1.jpg)
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on Jul 27, 2010, 09:28:04
Pardon my ignorance PJ, but what's the purpose of cutting the corners off?

Either way, it looks good.   
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: tWistedWheelz on Jul 27, 2010, 11:12:52
That sir is for when you are serious about weight reduction and a true "race" engine.....very nice PJ...I have not seen someone do this in a very long time....as a matter a fact, I have never seen someone do it, only ones that were done in the 60's and 70's that had been torn down for rebuild.

Absolutly awesome!

*bows to you because you sir are THE MAN!*
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: dirtbag on Jul 27, 2010, 18:54:13
I been making them, should have 'stadardised on a thread though  ;D (well I sort of did, just wasn't smartest idea to use 10x1.25 because I have bunch of engine bolts, etc)

 Ain't got into dampers yet, been busy doing other stuff (mostly machining and polishing covers)
 Won't be puling them apart for at least another week.
I will probably make a one piece lower spring seat/mounting fork.
 Clutch cover is drilled and tapped for oil line, going to make some fittings when its back on motor
 Going to put valves back into head later and get top end buttoned up, curved 'wedges' I made should re-locate cam back in correct position but I'll degree it anyway
 I did finally finish fork brace though, put pic in machining thread
 It really is an incredibly nice piece of kit, I almost want to frame it   8)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360forkbrace-finallyfinished.jpg)

Wanna share the drawings for this?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: crazypj on Jul 28, 2010, 01:40:37
Drawings?
 What drawings?
 Almost everything I make is unique, this has no drawings, I just made it, and, it kept evolving until I liked the look of it

 After spending entire day (less visit to doctor) 360 is about 50% done.
Forks swapped for stock 33mm, swing arm, shocks, etc fitted, stock fenders front and rear, stock (rusty) steel wheels, stock bars.
Can't find brake pedal and rod, I have 4, so, they must be real 'safe'  ::)
 Stock 360 motor is in (didn't think bump start only would be a good idea?  ;), I'll use it in 'Track Bike'
 There is no engine number on out of state title,  Florida requires one so I'll have to start over on 'new' motor when it's in my name.
 Not a total disaster though, there were a few things I wanted to do to 'next one'
 Hoping to have it running tomorrow afternoon, as long as I can find the  little irritating stuff

PJ
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jul 28, 2010, 08:50:55
good luck PJ!

funny thing with the primary drive gear... i had been dreaming of cutting my gears like that for the past 5 days!

wouldnt it make more sense to more heavily modify the higher gears (3-5 (6 in your case)) since they see less torque?
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Rocan on Jul 28, 2010, 11:09:40
im guessing you turned those gears on a lathe?

hmmm... i could try to do it with a file  :D
Title: Re: 665----667---------Neighbour's of the Beast
Post by: Big Rich on Jul 28, 2010, 11:33:17
Geez PJ, you're hitting just about every obstacle possible on this bike. Hope you don't lose the determination to get this thing done, it will be a great bike when you get finished.
Title: Starting Over
Post by: crazypj on Aug 06, 2010, 12:33:39
Well, I got carbs cleaned, wiring installed, new(ish) battery, everything works.
'New' horn has been re-mounted properly  :D
 It's pretty much back to 1974/75 stock spec.
 Didn't fit toolbox or air filters (I don't have any side panels/frame covers)
 I've been working on it as much as possible, in between other things  ::)
 Had to rent a storagfe unit to have some space to work (moved 3 bikes out of garage)
Fitted different engine, don't know when it was last run, (1970's?) but, it  run about 20 mins ago (haven't even changed the oil  ;D)
 It's a bit rattly but I will re-build it as soon as It's titled in my name
Going to rattle can the tank red as tag office was pretty weird last time I was there and I don't want it registered as green
 Here's pics of $275.00 bike, will post more later (the chrome isn't as nice as it looks in pictures)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-startingover1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-startingover5.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-startingover2.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-startingover3.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting over
Post by: Big Rich on Aug 06, 2010, 20:57:44
Sorry to hear about the title troubles. At least here in PA, we KNOW we are getting screwed without a title well in advance.

So what are you gonna do? Search for a titled frame?
Title: Re: Starting over
Post by: diesel450 on Aug 07, 2010, 11:28:49
PJ - Would it help at all if you had a valid registration and BOS from a non title state? You mentioned that FL may be especially hard on vehicles coming in from out of state so it may not work but I can very easily register the bike here in Maine and then send you the valid registration signed over to you with a notarized BOS which would denote the engine and frame numbers.

If interested pm me.
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: midnightcafe on Aug 29, 2010, 21:04:54
As good as the DMV's forged signature detection is (by eyeball), I don't think they give two hoots who wrote the bill of sale...
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: tWistedWheelz on Aug 30, 2010, 10:33:29
As good as the DMV's forged signature detection is (by eyeball), I don't think they give two hoots who wrote the bill of sale...

+1, I am not saying I have done it, but I do know that a forged BOS will work in Florida and Alabama......as long as all the blanks are filled out, they really don't look at it to check the authinticity of the signatures!
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: Rocan on Aug 31, 2010, 00:33:53
ouch pj... hope you get that BOS soon and heal twice as fast!

looking forward man...
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: CrescentSon on Aug 31, 2010, 09:38:45
PJ, you strike me as a pretty unflappable guy. You'll push through this and be good as new in no time. Hang in there! I'd imagine it would take a lot more than this to slow you down for long.
Title: Re: Starting over
Post by: Roc City Cafe on Aug 31, 2010, 09:52:46

 I guess Florida is trying to prevent old vehicles being re-registered?


it seems like any state is trying to prevent old vehicles from being registered... I'm sure the car company lobbyists and environazis were in kahoots on this one, unfortunately those of us who can't or won't buy a new prius or new cycle for commuting will probably drive an older gas guzzler... but big brother knows best after all
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: teazer on Sep 04, 2010, 02:07:56
PJ, I'm sure you already know this, but just in case, many CB350 racers remove 1 of the two primary gears and one of the two clutch gears to reduce weight.

So I'm guessing that it would be OK to grind off half the width of the teeth
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: Rocan on Sep 04, 2010, 02:34:52
PJ, I'm sure you already know this, but just in case, many CB350 racers remove 1 of the two primary gears and one of the two clutch gears to reduce weight.

So I'm guessing that it would be OK to grind off half the width of the teeth

thats not a half bad idea... those things weigh a ton!
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: crazypj on Sep 04, 2010, 04:45:35
PJ, I'm sure you already know this, but just in case, many CB350 racers remove 1 of the two primary gears and one of the two clutch gears to reduce weight.

So I'm guessing that it would be OK to grind off half the width of the teeth

 Possibly, but unlike 350, you wouldn't have a spare set of gears when they wear out.

  I thought about it and decided I would rather have a little extra strength as it will probably get some major abuse when its finally finished.
 I bought a spare clutch off eBay so my try removing maybe 1/4~1/3 of gear and a few other things I've been thinking about
 
Title: Re: 1975 CB360-Starting over
Post by: crazypj on Sep 08, 2010, 20:46:23
 Been a really frustrating 2 weeks, totally unable to use left hand because it was bandaged up ( I really didn't want to get it dirty either)
Couldn't move much and didn't feel too good first 4 days because of meds

Had stitches out of elbow and thumb this afternoon.
 Thumb still almost immobile, about 30 degrees of movement
 I still don't know when I can work on stuff but I'm allowed to go back to work tomorrow on 'light duties' (max lift with left hand, 2lbs, no repetitive motions??)
 Good job I'm right handed
Title: Re: Starting over-1975 CB360
Post by: dcmspikes on Sep 08, 2010, 21:23:45
congrats.  i think we are all excited with this news.  now we get to keep geeking out on your skills
Title: Re: Starting over-1975 CB360
Post by: Big Rich on Sep 08, 2010, 23:07:32
Heck ya, Congrats!

Hope you get your body back to 100%. Do they have you going in for physical therapy?
Title: Re: Starting over-1975 CB360
Post by: JRK5892 on Sep 09, 2010, 11:27:30
NICE!!!!
Title: Re: Starting over-1975 CB360
Post by: crazypj on Sep 25, 2010, 16:35:08
Finally.
 Got signed Bill of Sale today.
Will try again to register on Monday.
 Will be working on bike a lot over next few weeks if things go smooth Monday

 Had physical therapy twice last week and I'm going again a couple of times next week.
Awful lot of scar tissue at base of thumb, very limited movement..
Elbow still hurts, particularly if I try and push anything. (even light, less than 40lbs)
 Lifting isn't too bad but that pulls the joint instead of compressing it
 Haven't tried riding yet, don't think it will be a good idea at present as it will put pressure on elbow.
Title: Re: Starting over-1975 CB360
Post by: crazypj on Sep 26, 2010, 23:49:03
Started working on 360 again, did a tiny bit on seat (needed to bash some metal with a hammer  :D)
Did a bit of work on Katana forks, dismantled for new seals, polishing and  lowering.  8)
 Using PVC pipe as I have couple of pieces sitting in garage from when we bought house.
1" bore, schedule 40 (didn't know they made schedule 40 PVC  :o)
 It's more than double the thickness of 'genuine' (Kawasaki) spacer (3.8mm vs 1.8mm)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Katana/Forkspacerthickness.jpg)
Forks stripped down, they are real easy to lower because they have a spring spacer (steel tube on left side between spring and slider) cutting a stock spring to lower forks make spring stiffer (less working coils)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Katana/KatanaForkdismantled.jpg)
Spacer installed on damper rod, I shortened it to 1.895" (about 48mm)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Katana/Katanaforkloweringspacerinplace.jpg)
 Here's picture of spring spacer (fits on top of spring) and damper rod spacer, with original for comparison (the number is wrong, forgot to put the 95 on end) Original is 200mm long, forgot to put tape measure in there for scale  ::)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Katana/Katanaforkspringspacerandloweringspacer.jpg)

 
Title: Re: CB360-Starting over
Post by: crazypj on Sep 27, 2010, 15:43:00
Happy Time  ;D
 Decided to title it as 'Antique', cool blue tag.
 Title should arrive in my name in about a week
Now I can get started all over again  :D
Title: Re: CB360-Starting over
Post by: Hot Rod Troy on Sep 27, 2010, 17:33:33
Let the fun begin!
Title: Re: CB360-Starting over
Post by: diesel450 on Sep 28, 2010, 12:06:00
Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better PJ. ALso, great to hear you got your title woes worked out!
Title: Re: CB360-Starting over
Post by: IndieSol on Oct 03, 2010, 03:11:47
Congrats on the ability to ride again.  And also on the mostly trouble free ride.  All good news.
Title: Re: CB360- Buddug
Post by: crazypj on Oct 04, 2010, 16:05:21
Well, spoke a bit too soon  :(
 Went out again Sunday afternoon, around 12 miles elbow started hurting.
 Luckily I was in a loop near where I live so got home in ~3 miles
 Anyway, got a bit more done of fork lowers, thought I hit them up with 120 grit flapwheel but it was 80 grit I grabbed  ::)
 Got one done with 240 grit and the other 2/3 done (thought it was taking a long time to get scratches out  :D)
 getting done with 320 next then 400, 600 and polish
 You can see scratches in lower leg, they were pretty bad before I started, this is the improvement  ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Katforks120-240.jpg)
 Not sure if I'm going to use GS500 front mudguard, I have 2 so I cut one down
Before
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/GS500mudguard1.jpg)
After (but before trimming to final shape, smoothing out curve and sanding edges)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/GS500mudguard2.jpg)
 Probably won't get much done this week, doctors and Physical therapy for 4 days  :o
Title: Re: CB360-Starting over
Post by: Big Rich on Oct 05, 2010, 04:56:18
Glad to hear you are on 2 wheels again (however shortly). I like the fender! Good work PJ.

Suppose you tried tried telling the docs that you have bikes to build? No time for therapy! :D
Title: Re: CB360-Buddug
Post by: crazypj on Oct 08, 2010, 15:44:29
Well, after appointment with surgeon I now have a 35lbs weight limit. (instead of 2lbs)
Got one fork slider finished and shiny, will get the other done tomorrow  (I have to go to work soon)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ShinyKatanafork.jpg)
Here's both done
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Katforks-supershiny.jpg)
 Should have forks re-assembled tomorrow night or Sunday morning.
Was going to buy headlamp mounts but decided to make some as I have an idea to try out.
 
Title: Re: CB360-Buddug
Post by: JRK5892 on Oct 08, 2010, 15:45:57
Glad to hear you got good news bud!!!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Oct 29, 2010, 03:35:12
Got a piece of 1/2" aluminium plate to make headlight mounts, will be machining this weekend.
 
 Rode bike to work yesterday, still has high bars and 35yr old tyres (with 35yr old air in them  ;D)
 Really stupid thing to do but it was fun, first time I've been any real distance for over a year (still only 40 mile round trip)  8)

 Couple of people wanted to see bike before I started work on it. (as it's back to more or less stock)
 Seemed like a good idea, until I realised I don't finish until 11.30 pm at earliest
Made a short video, leaving work, coming home, playing in traffic after midnight. 
It's 209mb (6 minutes)
 I haven't uploaded it to photobucket yet, may not bother as it isn't 'exciting'
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: JRK5892 on Oct 29, 2010, 10:53:42
come on post it up
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Oct 29, 2010, 13:50:16
Huzzah! That's good news PJ! I'm glad to hear you have it 'on the road'....even with the terrifying tires. I won't ping on your for that......hehe
Are you planning to go for the hopped up version again?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Oct 29, 2010, 14:24:32
I'll have a go, don't know how to edit it to reasonable size though?
 Downloaded free editingprog but don't know how to use it
 Meanwhile, this is exactly how it looks with exhaust cleaned up a bit (no airboxes or pods with stock battery box) Jetting is slightly rich with the carb mods I've done, they are very close for a less restrictive exhaust.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360Nov2010-1.jpg)
 SUV pulled out on me on I-4, speedo was showing 70mph but it was a lot closer to 55~60mph.
 Then he/she/it hit the brakes   :o
 I got a 'bit close'( but didn't hit it  8) )
 Unfortunately I didn't have camera running (would have been 'interesting')
 Who said early Honda brakes are crap?
  Rotor did get a bit 'warm' and turn blue where pads are touching (new pads not fully bedded in yet)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360Nov2010-3.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Oct 30, 2010, 02:16:24
Huzzah! That's good news PJ! I'm glad to hear you have it 'on the road'....even with the terrifying tires. I won't ping on your for that......hehe
Are you planning to go for the hopped up version again?

 Hell yeah.
 I have the motor from (page 6?) 99% done, (haven't had time to finish external oil line and polish a few bits)
 Forks are 99% done, handlebar clamps not cleaned/polished yet.
 Going to make headlamp 'ears' over the weekend and try to get bar clamps done.
 Front mudguard is now ' Apple Red' but I'm really not happy with finish so it's getting done over

 Front tyre is a Continental, even at 30+ yrs old it's softer than a Dunlop D404  :o
It doesn't have any cracking (damn, they made good tyres back then  ;D)
 The rear is a Bridgestone, worried me a bit but it has been up to 90mph+ on dyno with 300lbs 'rider'
 Still pretty undecided about posting video, I did get it to load to photobucket.
 If screen brightness is high/stock LCD, it don't look too bad  ::)
 May need more than one opinion
Pulled video, was too long and boring
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Oct 31, 2010, 19:11:18
Story so far on 'new' front end'
 I'm fitting Yamaha XS650 headlight to Suzuki Katana forks into a Honda CB360 with a Honda CB350 wheel using XS650 rear rim on front  :o  8)
Still in process of making headlight 'ears', but I have finished a few things
Made alloy spacers to center wheel in fork (instead of steel tube and washers in earlier pics)
Front wheel/brake is finally finished. (although I may use brake plate I severely modified?  ???)
 Made a mounting to fit onto caliper bosses which lifts torque arm so its at a better tangent to drum.
 I'm hoping it spreads stress better than going directly to single caliper mount. (safety first  ;D)
 There will be a torque reaction because brake is over an inch narrower than fork (one inch and fifty thousandths actually  ::))
 I didn't want to use a 0.050" washer so I machined down some inch and a quarter bar  (plus, I didn't have any one inch bar  :D)
 Suzuki fork uses a fork brace at top to prevent twisting so it should be pretty damn good
 Pretty lucky I picked up couple of pairs of Katana forks cheap when no-one wanted them (pre 97 models)
  Everything has to be smoothed down and polished and the wheel needs a good shining after sitting around for a few months  ::)
hers some pics.
side on
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CBKAT3.jpg)
front 3/4 (with shiny slider  ;D)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CBKAT2.jpg)
rear, pretty much hidden behind fork leg. There is over an inch clearance to rim even though it looks like zero in pic
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CBKAT1.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 01, 2010, 00:27:19
Did some more machining for headlight mountings, probably 40% done.
 Still need drilling, tapping and cutting to final shape, then polishing
 quick pic
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CBKatheadlightbrackets.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 07, 2010, 02:57:07
Got a bit more done.  :D
Need to fit 'ears' to headlight to machine clamps for Katana forks.
 When I opened it up the mounts were
 a./ missing
 b./ broken
Checked at Mikes XS, $14.00 EACH SIDE  :o
So, being me, ;) I made some from the 'scrap' I cut out of the headlight fork clamps  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Yamahaheadlightmounts1.jpg)
Not perfect but better than the tiny broken piece at 'top' of pic
This is what they look like from outside, I tapped them so I can use shorter bolts and also I won't have to mess with nuts, spring washer, etc on inside.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Yamahaheadlightmounts3.jpg)
 How it fits with 'ears'
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Yamahaheadlightmounts4.jpg)
 I'll finish it off tomorrow, forgot clocks changed, wondered why it took so long  ::)


 
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 07, 2010, 13:07:28
Pic of mudguard and fork brace
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/SuzukiMudguardforkbrace.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 07, 2010, 22:06:05
Except for details, front end is pretty much finished (polishing, etc)
The headlight brackets are finished and light mounts up great
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Kat-YamTR.jpg)
The big Allen bolts through top yoke hold handlebars, I may try and make some bolts with LED's as warning lights (not sure if it's possible?)
This is how it looks from right side (*Yamaha headlight  ;D)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Kat-YamR.jpg)
Close up from left side
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Kat-YamL.jpg)
 From the front, it's a7" light but looks bigger
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Kat-YamF.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: VonYinzer on Nov 09, 2010, 09:01:50
Killer stuff as always man. So cool.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: CrescentSon on Nov 09, 2010, 18:23:09
Nice design PJ, all that polish on the front is gonna look killer.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 14, 2010, 13:50:25
Spent some time yesterday working on steering gear for son-in-law, was going to take bike out for a spin but low beam not working.
 Headlight sealed beam checked OK but only getting 0.2~6.5v  ???
Removed tank to check wiring, found a pinched wire but it still had good continuity?
 Cut it open and repaired it anyway - NO CHANGE-aaaargh.
 Started troubleshooting wiring and found high/low switch had sticky contact.
 Fixed that but I didn't feel like riding by then  ::)
 Anyway, decided to finish forks off.
 I had a couple of things I wanted to modify and polish.
 Started with some 6x1x12m Allen bolts
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/th_Forkdrainbolt.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/?action=view&current=Forkdrainbolt.jpg)
Had to shorten them a bit, then cross drilled for safety wire plus tapered them so they look better and finally polished
(fitted into fork, the lower left bolt is to hold speedo cable guide)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/th_Modifieddrainbolt1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/?action=view&current=Modifieddrainbolt1.jpg)
Fitted stainless hex bolts to torque arm and upright, (easier to drill for safety wire  8))
Re-machined upright and torque arm as I wasn't happy with original finish, looks real good now
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Forkassembly1.jpg)
Mirror finished the parts I can get to, not sure if I should paint or polish inside the recess?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Forkassembly2.jpg)
Comments/views welcome
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Nov 14, 2010, 20:49:57
polish!!

fuck, i was wondering where this thread went! (damn name change)

looks amazing man. those headlight ears are amazing (soo beautiful)

love it love it love it
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: dcmspikes on Nov 18, 2010, 20:53:37
this is exciting.  we want to see more.  good to hear youre able to wrench and ride again
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: slinds9 on Nov 18, 2010, 22:49:08
just read through the whole build.. some awesome work, and ingenious ideas in this bike..
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: diesel450 on Nov 19, 2010, 09:35:14
I may have to hit you up for a set of those ears for my XS.  8) pretty please?  :-*

really nice work PJ. But, ahem, is that rust I see on the brake lever?!?! Couldn't be. I must be mistaken.  ;D

Glad to see you're feeling better!! 
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 20, 2010, 02:20:26
I may have to hit you up for a set of those ears for my XS.  8) pretty please?  :-*

really nice work PJ. But, ahem, is that rust I see on the brake lever?!?! Couldn't be. I must be mistaken.  ;D



 Maybe, when I get this finished  (or need more cash to buy parts -  when do you want them  :D)
 Yep, it's rusty, didn't look so bad before I polished things (then put flash on it  ::))
 My have to either make new alloy  lever or figure out re-chrome?
 Hopeto get front end together this weekend.
 I finished double shifts today, back to singles next week (but have to fix a lot of stuff around house for holiday )
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: JRK5892 on Nov 20, 2010, 10:00:15
Man that headlight mount looks great!!!!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 22, 2010, 01:11:31
Got the forks finished, (except for removing fingerprints  ;D)
 New seals, new oil.
 Finished headlight brackets, all polished up.
 Bought a new headlight, swapped out 60/55 bulb for a 35/35 H4.
 Here's a quick pic, yes, it has LED ring  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/NewHeadlight1.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Tim on Nov 22, 2010, 01:18:20
I just put a similar headlight on my XS (haven't done the wiring yet).  Difference is mine has 2 sections of LED, and are amber... for turn signals ;)  Each side is wired independently.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/U31378-34-AMBER-LED-HEADLIGHT-7-INCHES-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem255362051bQQitemZ160312722715QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/U31378-34-AMBER-LED-HEADLIGHT-7-INCHES-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem255362051bQQitemZ160312722715QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Big Rich on Nov 22, 2010, 09:35:54
Front end is lookin great PJ. I know you said it before, but where do you get those 35/35 watt bulbs again?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 22, 2010, 13:31:36
Hi Tim,
I may have to get one of those if I can't make indicators look OK.
 Rich,
I got bulbs from Parts Unlimited for 1980's Yamaha FZR1000.
 Apparently a lot of new scooters use 35/35 H4 as well so they should be easy enough to come by (eBay if all else fails)
 Going to find out about powder coating frame and swing arm in next few weeks
 I didn't realise I pass a place every day that does powder coating, found ad on craigslist
 Should be pretty quick to just fit all the parts I've been working on.
 I'm going to fit the 'bump-start only' motor to get it sorted out while I re-build the one that's in there now as a 378 (will get same treatment, except leave the kickstart in)
 I still have to strip the Chinese shocks I bought and make new lower mounts  (plus fix anything else I find wrong with them)
Going to make a new exhaust system and see about getting it ceramic coated
 Still not sure about tank or seat yet, may use CB350 four tank.
 Found the footrests I'm going to use (just the sticky out bit,  ;D) will need to fabricate mounting plates.
 Got a forward control gear change from something, spline fits Honda, will need link bar
Looks like it will flip to use as rearset
Going to re-design rear brake operating mechanism, haven't seen anything I like.
 I don't want the 'bent rod' flipped operating lever if at all possible, I want something with better feel and control than stock, if I can  ;)
I started working on taillight mount and rear fender, going sort of stock (ish  ;D)
 Still quite a lot of work but it's getting there
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Nov 22, 2010, 14:10:22
Looks great PJ, nice and clean...that headlight is something else too!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 28, 2010, 20:57:36
Aweful lot of 360's on here at present, they almost need thier own thread  ;D
Now front end is 99.9% done (still having issues with paint, never had so much trouble  ::))
Started on the rear shocks.
 Not completely dismantled yet as I want to find out what gas pressure is inside reservoir.
 I know Suzuki uses 142psi nitrogen but these feel real low pressure (and there is air inside damper, I can feel it when operating shock)
 I'll probably completely strip them, change oil and I think make a new upper guide bush from aluminum bronze/Teflon (because I've got some of each  ;D)
 Anyway, made a new lower mount from 6061, double the weight of stock cast pieces and a much better fit on shock mount.
 I had a cast spring seat break once on my Yamaha 400 enduro bike so I'm a little paranoid about weak suspension parts.
 Spring seat is at least twice the thickness of original plus, being 6061 it will bend well before breaking if it was overloaded
 Also looks a lot nicer than the stock multi part set up
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Newshockbottom.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Newshockbottom-closeup.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Big Rich on Nov 28, 2010, 21:26:27
Nice work PJ! I'm sure that took maybe a couple hours to do and it looks better than factory.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Nov 28, 2010, 21:38:17
mmm. pretty...

im getting one of those indicator built in headlamps now that i saw it... pretty...
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Ringo on Nov 28, 2010, 23:43:32
Not sure how I missed this??? Great work pj.  That lower mount completes the shock, looks like it was supposed to be there from the get-go.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: JoeTee on Nov 28, 2010, 23:43:58
Pj, killer machine work.  I loved the clip ons you made... Im local here in Orlando, any chance I could buy a set from ya? ::)  
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: midnightcafe on Nov 29, 2010, 18:01:40
Mmmm, those parts are BEEFY!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Nov 30, 2010, 01:57:31
Well, checked gas in reservoir, ZERO in one side and 26psi in the other.  :o
 Checked another set, 22psi each side  ???
 Usual pressure is around 100psi~150psi
 Shocks are getting stripped in the morning
I'll find out whats in the reservoir and base gas pressure on piston or bladder compression damping, probably start around 50psi if its a piston type
I'll take some pics of the internals as I can't find the re-build online anywhere
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Nov 30, 2010, 21:05:27
New spring bases look great PJ! Very beefy, doubt you'll have breakage issues whilst catching wicked air! heh
I think the set here was sitting at 70-ish psi but very low on fluid, lots of air in the main body...which unless I'm completely off my nut goes against the whole external reservoir bit. I'll have to dig'm up again....

 
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Nov 30, 2010, 22:07:27
hmmm, guess you get what you pay for.

how do you re-pressurize them?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Nov 30, 2010, 22:10:34
hmmm, guess you get what you pay for.

how do you re-pressurize them?

There's a schraeder valve at the base of the res....
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Dec 01, 2010, 16:54:49
There's a schraeder valve at the base of the res....

well thats simple.  :D
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 02, 2010, 05:31:27
Got shock apart, had to make a few special tools and will need to order a couple of things to put them back together.
Had a hell of a time getting bladder out, managed to break Schrader valve off reservoir top (knew I should have removed it before I started) >:(
 Luckily, the bit fitted into reservoir is 8 x 0.75mm thread so I can modify a standard 'bolt in' tyre valve. (after I get the Loctited bit out  ::))
Schrader is a real weird size, 7.7mm x 0.394mm pitch, only found one tap online, 70 POUNDS (about $110.00) so I ain't getting one of them  :D

 Quite surprised, they are not so badly made as I had expected, just not assembled too well.
 They do have a shim stack and are probably a knock off of something more expensive
No pics yet, maybe in morning.
 Swagger, thanks for pressure info, it will make a good starting point, any thought on suspension fluid?
 I was thinking 7.5~10 wt with 75~100psi or 5wt with 50psi?
 Rocan, looking at pics won't make you an instant expert on suspension (just letting you know before you start telling people how to fix shocks and set up suspension  ;))
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Dec 02, 2010, 13:03:50
I was reading one kats thoughts and he said 10wt (using fork oil iirc) a couple times and 125psi.
I read a forum post saying 12.5 mixed and 100psi.
I bet it's gonna be a trial and error thing. Seems like everyone thinks they are pretty stiffly sprung though......

I got a Ducati 999 (showa) rear shock and it needs to have some factory service (one of the adjusters is completely shagged...like someone used an impact driver on it or something equally ridiculous) but the fluid in it felt like 2wt mister oil!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 02, 2010, 15:25:29
I think I'll probably go with 7.5w and start at 60psi, should help soften things up slightly
 Here's pic of shock in pieces, you'll have to go to photobucket to see explanation of parts
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN3900.jpg)
had to make a peg spanner to get piston rod out, 23.25mm C/C.
 The circular piece fits over shock body to allow a tube to be fitted so I can use nut to pull piston rod slowly and not distort body
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN3899.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Dec 02, 2010, 22:06:20
Rocan, looking at pics won't make you an instant expert on suspension (just letting you know before you start telling people how to fix shocks and set up suspension  ;))

dont worry, im still VERY confused.  :D
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: JRK5892 on Dec 03, 2010, 10:20:34
wow! i pull shocks apart all the time and they are never that involved! i have used gas charged shocks on snowmobiles in the past but never on a bike, i do love how they work. i just spent the past hour going though your thread again, man i love how you point out the little things while building the motor, things like how the bee hive springs go in the heads... thank you!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: thompsonmx100 on Dec 04, 2010, 00:51:59
If im not mistaken the pressure in the bladder should not affect your valve damping. The pressure in the bladder is meant to prevent foaming of the oil. i believe 125 maybe 150psi is the norm for shock bladders.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 04, 2010, 02:26:13
Your right, the gas has no effect on the valving
The gas charged bladder provides compression damping as well as displacing air from the system. (gives the piston something to 'push' against, in a basic shock the bottom of cylinder is sealed)
 The damper rod takes up space and causes the bladder to compress as it displaces oil from main cylinder.
 Usual pressure on most shocks I work on is 142psi.
The gas pressure does help to extend the shock and does make 'spring' heavier.
 A lower pressure and thinner oil although it will reduce damping, will also reduce the amount of 'spring'
 I'll see if I can find a better explanation with some pics.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Dec 04, 2010, 12:10:28
im imagining a syringe filled with pressure. as you compress it more, it gets firmer. more air pressure in there, the harder it is to press down, and shock rebounds more quickly?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 05, 2010, 03:01:01
I'm sure that took maybe a couple hours to do and it looks better than factory.

 Yep, I made a pair today,  (slightly different design, plus shorter)
Took just about entire day (from cutting 2 x 4" long pieces off a 12" bar I bought, (got wrong size, 2.5" dia means a lot of cutting  ::))
 I've checked they fit shocks, looks dam good on shock (forot to take pic) also weighed them (8.7oz  ;D)
At least 10 hrs total time
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Beforeandafter.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: tWistedWheelz on Dec 06, 2010, 11:25:43
I wish I had all the fun toys you have!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 07, 2010, 11:06:29
I wish I had all the fun toys you have!

 It's all cheap stuff made in China
Probably have less than $3,500 in machines and tooling acquired over last 6~7yrs.
 Most expensive thing was milling machine, $1080.00 from Harbor Freight (inc. tax)
 Knowing what knobs to twiddle makes a difference though  ;D
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Dec 07, 2010, 12:42:09
Which mill did you get from them? My first was their green painted (Grizzly rebranded) RU-25. Still have it, but it's dusty and lonely in the corner. Was a decent little bench top for the money though...same thing sold as a Jet JMD-17. Been thinking about retro-fitting it for light CNC work though recently, it's more than capable. Did you do the ball bearing mod on the lead screws yet?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 07, 2010, 14:05:22
Hi Swagger,
 It's a Central Machinery 33686, done nothing to it except try and get column 'square' in all directions.
 I should replace all the screws with ball screws and do the ball bearing conversion but I don't use it too much and don't really have time (and cash)
Back to see surgeon for follow up tomorrow
 Spent almost 3 hrs at dentist yesterday with mouth full of grinding tools, steel stuff, etc (and feel MUCH worse for it, plus totally broke and in debt  :()
 We had a Solar Water Heater fitted last month, failed inspection because expansion tank was too small. Had a new one fitted Monday and inspection this morning.
 While I was waiting I made some more dumb shit, lightweight locknuts for shock.  ::)
The original was 19mm and weighed a whole half ounce  :o
Milled down some 7/8" hex bar (6061) to 17mm and made 4 nuts.
 all 4 only weigh 0.45 oz  8)
As they won't be highly stressed I don't think there will be any problems (plus, I'm going to Loctite the lowers onto shaft when I re-build shock)
Here's some pics as I know everyone likes to look at stuff
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Nuts2.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Nuts1.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Dec 07, 2010, 14:49:35
HA! Love the ally lock nuts mate....well worth the time. Have them hard anodized and they'll hold up just fine. Way cool!
Did you tap the threads or single point them on the lathe? Inside threads are a pain....

yeah that's the same machine Jet sells, Grizzly sells, HF sells....etc. Made by a company called RongFu. Pretty decent as you've seen, really should work out great. I've got several thousand hours on mine and other than the x-axis gib being about 1/2" shorter than it should for proper adjustment and needing lead screw bearings....it's been a pretty good little machine.
I've considered filling the column with structural plas-crete  to help damp some vibration related chatter, the head casting is really pretty stout for what it is and the quill bearings are under stressed. Being the first milling machine I bought, I got used to R8 collets, now after 5 years with the 2UVRC I STILL hate Z-collets! heh....

Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Dec 07, 2010, 17:46:45
PJ... your farking nuts. then again, replacing enough bolts with lightweight ones can add up to a pound or two!  :D


bummer on the financial stuff. rough times. youll get through it though! i just know it.


keep up the awesome work.  ;D
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 12, 2010, 03:27:56
Screwed up somehow measuring thread on bladder cap, it's 7 x 0.75 not 8 x 0.75mm so the new tap I bought won't work. (going to blame it on toothache ) ::)
 Luckily I bought a 5/16" x 32 tpi tap and die so I'm going to modify some 'normal'  tyre valves cut out of old tubes.
 Thread is a little bit loose as 5/16" = 0.3125" and Schrader 7.7mm = 0.303139".
 Nine thousandths of an inch doesn't sound much but makes a big difference on such a small size.
 I dunno, I may just order some more stuff to make shipping costs worthwhile on 7 x 0.75 tap and die
Did some work on seat base, not happy with it so I cut it up and welded new sides on.
Still not happy with it so I'm going to slap some filler on and use it as a plug for glass seat base
 Decembers isn't one of my better months (hasn't been for at least 15 yrs  :()
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Roc City Cafe on Dec 12, 2010, 10:21:51
Yep, I made a pair today,  (slightly different design, plus shorter)
Took just about entire day (from cutting 2 x 4" long pieces off a 12" bar I bought, (got wrong size, 2.5" dia means a lot of cutting  ::))
 I've checked they fit shocks, looks dam good on shock (forot to take pic) also weighed them (8.7oz  ;D)
At least 10 hrs total time
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Beforeandafter.jpg)

this chuck setup just screams DANGER! I love it
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Dec 13, 2010, 13:46:32
Naw...run a live center in the tail stock and it's only 'Kinda Dangerous!'....heh
Not much choice with the small machines. Besides...who ever said this shit was safe?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 14, 2010, 02:39:39
Naw...run a live center in the tail stock and it's only 'Kinda Dangerous!'....heh
Not much choice with the small machines. Besides...who ever said this shit was safe?

 Got it exactly  :D
 It's only like that for center drilling and pic, the outside gets machined smooth and flipped around to do other end.
Didn't get a pic of the dangerous bit, counter-boring 0.220" deep, 1.250" dia inside the 'big' end
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 23, 2010, 13:41:47
Had another root canal treatment this morning.
 Three this month is pretty OTT  :o
Dentist sucks big time, I didn't have a problem until he started grinding on my teeth to fit crown/bridge.
Wouldn't have minded him being an arrogant asshole if he really was as good as he thinks he is.
 Found out the endodontist I got referred to who's being doing my root canals was dentist of the year though, really really good guy, takes the pain away   8)
I'm still doped up at present, have to go to work as soon as possible at least it will be a 3 hr shorter double shift then a week off so I should be able to get some work done on bikes (then I'll post pics of 'progress')
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Dec 23, 2010, 23:42:09
Had another root canal treatment this morning.
 Three this month is pretty OTT  :o
Dentist sucks big time, I didn't have a problem until he started grinding on my teeth to fit crown/bridge.
Wouldn't have minded him being an arrogant asshole if he really was as good as he thinks he is.
 Found out the endodontist I got referred to who's being doing my root canals was dentist of the year though, really really good guy, takes the pain away   8)
I'm still doped up at present, have to go to work as soon as possible at least it will be a 3 hr shorter double shift then a week off so I should be able to get some work done on bikes (then I'll post pics of 'progress')

ouchers!

some dentists are real idiots... my mother had a runaround with some dentists who plain and simple did a terrible job with her fakes (she had been hit by a truck when younger and lost some teeth)...

good luck pj! cant wait to see what youve done.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 27, 2010, 16:18:56

Finally got round to making a shock spring compressor to remove rear springs. (never needed one previously, could just grab them, compress and remove collets or lock nuts )
It's all from scrap I had laying around, some of it is going to be modified and it will get bolted to a piece of 3/4" ply (I clamped it in vice to get shock apart)
 As usual, I made it way overcomplicated and just guessed a few sizes (to fit the stuff I had  ;D )
 Made some more fixtures to remove diaphragm cap from gas shock and removed 'air' valve to fit a puller rod

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Mazda%20Pickup/shockspringcompressor4.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Mazda%20Pickup/shockspringcompressor1.jpg)

Not a good pic, the fine thread doesn't even show, will retake eventually.
 It's 7mm dia, 0.75mm pitch one end and 8 x 1.25 on the 'nut' end
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Mazda%20Pickup/Aircapremovaltool.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Erskine on Dec 27, 2010, 18:12:37
I've just read this thread from the beginning (It's a pissy wet thawing night in the Garw with bugger all  to do while I wait for head bearings to arrive.)
Jeez you work to a standard PJ ........ do you have OCD ;)
Do you still have a link for those shocks?
Tidy.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 27, 2010, 19:15:13

Jeez you work to a standard PJ ........ do you have OCD ;)
Do you still have a link for those shocks?
Tidy.

 Nah, I'm just a lazy bastard
 I do it as good as possible the  first time then never touch it again  ;D

Sorry, don't have link for shocks, they were from e-bay, advertised for V-Max and similar.
 They will need a re-build as there is air in the damping side and not enough oil in there.
 The forked end is too wide and will either need shimming or a replacement made (you know what I did)
 I'm going to make a few other mods when I get time

 Haven't done as much as I would like on bikes, been working double shifts and  spent a bunch of time fixing large hole in the wall where I thought we had a water leak.
 We got charged for 38,000 gallons last month, about average family use for a YEAR.
 The busted pipe is fixed now, but I'm checking the water meter twice a day and still working on various holes
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Dec 28, 2010, 03:40:55
Uploaded the boring dark video of ride home from work  to You Tube.
 
Tooth is hurting, just had some ibuprofen, waiting for it to start working and needed something to take my mind off it.
Going to take a daytime video soon, may be a little less boring
 I don't have editing software so skip the first 1min10 sec.

Vintage Honda 360, more or less stock, soon to be Cafe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNRXqa3Onq8#)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 01, 2011, 22:56:01
As usual, nothing much happened even though I had big plans.
I did modify shocks and get them back together.
 Used air instead of Nitrogen just to check compression damping is working (I'll let it out and get them charged with Nitrogen next week)
Anyway, here's some pics of mods.
 Top of shock, where it mounts to frame.
 Bosses are for air-bleed/oil fill and compression damping adjuster (it's a Chines copy of something expensive)
I know why damping is shite out of the box, about 3 times more oil went in than came out  :o

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Shocktop.jpg)
 
I don't have a damping adjuster but I do have a 5mm tap (and know how to use it  :D )
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Shocktop3.jpg)
 The sides of screw are a 'good' fit in counter-bore, 'o' ring will prevent any leaks.
 It made it really easy to re-build shock, put most of the oil in through 'top' (actually the bottom), built it up removed screw and let air out, added about 25cc of oil through hole
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Shockrebuilt3.jpg)

This is underneath when on bike
 (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Shockdamper1.jpg)

Before tightening down, the special pin tool I made.
 Couldn't find a torque spec so I used he German method (gut-en-tite)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Shockdamper2.jpg)

Finished assembly, bump stop rubber is all the way down so I can find out how much travel I use
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Shockrebuilt.jpg)

Forgot to mention, I got some Kawasaki Ninja 250 forks off eBay.
 Not sure if they are 35 or 37mm (I thought 37 but hoping 35mm)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Jan 03, 2011, 15:19:30
EX250, at least the last gen are 37mm and nice little basic forks.
The actually weighed a bit less than the boat anchor 500T forks they're replacing here!
Emulators will help them immensely, working on turning up a pair this week for them.
Working on tracking down proper internal springs, the external springs are available at my local hardware store.
I don't know about your triples, but the 450/500T have juuuuust enough room to bore them for the bigger sticks.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 06, 2011, 02:25:20

Kawasaki EX250 forks arrived yesterday.
 36mm dia, not yet sure if I'll modify steerer, top bearing or change stem completely as it's 30mm instead of Honda 25mm.
 Got shocks gassed, won't be fitting them until Saturday afternoon at very earliest
 I thought I had posted dyno runs of the original CB378 motor but apparently not.
 Unfortunately I can't get any more dyno runs without paying full price or driving couple of hundred miles
 Here's original with too rich jetting and 2:1 exhaust I made (almost 10:1 fuel air ratio)
 Was doing some major experiments with carbs
 With jetting leaned out it should be making closer to 40bhp all the time (stock cam and carbs)
 Dotted line on lower graph is 'ideal' fuel air ratio for max power (about 13:1) you can see where power drops as it gets richer
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Dynorun5-Nov20th2008.jpg)
 Here's with quiet exhaust and rich jetting, while I was still experimenting with jetting, real rich still so losing bunch of power.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Dynorun6and7Nov20th20083.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Erskine on Jan 06, 2011, 15:30:51
Those graphs make for interesting reading.
Especially the correlation between air fuel/ratio and the power curve.
 :)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Jan 06, 2011, 15:45:47
36mm huh? What years, do you know?
Just curiosity mainly, as I said...mine came from a last gen.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Jan 06, 2011, 20:23:49
looking good pj!

love those dyno graphs... man you got close with the jetting (in terms of consistancy at least!) without dyno! bravo. shows how experienced you are.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: JRK5892 on Jan 06, 2011, 20:27:02
man you are going to be able to put this sucker on your back it is so light... ooh ya :) i used to have scales just like that... in college :)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Jan 06, 2011, 20:28:50
man you are going to be able to put this sucker on your back it is so light... ooh ya :) i used to have scales just like that... in college :)

is it bad that i know what your referring to?

hahahhaha
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 09, 2011, 20:10:02
No actual work done but I did go for a short ride yesterday.
 Had to work on stepson- in-law's truck suspension so didn't get anything really useful done.
I did make a mounting for the high def Go Pro cameera my wife bought me for Christmas though,
 bolted to lower fork leg
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/GoPromount1.jpg)
Ready for filming
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/GoPromount2.jpg)

For the people still snowed in, two one minute filulums to come soon (as soon as I upload them to You Tube) ;D ;D
(BTW, that's still the 35yr old Continental, which is why it has such wide 'chicken strips)
Here's video
1974 Honda CB360 test ride MP4-1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff66XLft36I#ws)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Erskine on Jan 10, 2011, 08:49:55
What a freakin cool crimbo present.
The picture quality is great compared to footage I've seen from other mounted cameras.
Sweet toy.  :)
There's a few rides here I'd love to film.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: cbSteve on Jan 10, 2011, 09:08:50
Oh Thanks for that PJ! :(
This morning, it is 10 here in Pittsburgh,PA and a dusting of snow .
I probably won't be on the back of a bike for another 3 months.
I have to get out of here!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Jan 10, 2011, 15:49:06
You may wanna blank out that vanity plate PJ....just sayin'

Nice smooth picture what with being mounted on the axle...that's pretty damn good!'
Don't know much about that camera but there must be digital stabilization...that was really very smooth looking...
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 11, 2011, 01:49:38
I deliberately took it over some rough ground, it's a lot bumpier than it looks, forks were probably moving 3".
 I was pretty amazed at the quality considering the light was 'going'
 That's my wife's car, don't know how to edit video yet, maybe I'll just delete it for now(and take a new one  ;D )
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Jan 11, 2011, 13:17:31
I especially like the offroad bit to get where you wanted to....
ya hooligan
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 12, 2011, 06:34:47
I'm with cbSteve - we have way too much snow out here. Makes me anxious for spring though. Wait a minute.....VonYinzers' SL175 is just sitting around in the garage.......


Thanks for the vid PJ.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 12, 2011, 09:08:34
Cool vid, I saw those cameras at the Honda dealership last summer. very interesting. I'd like a shot with the camera mounted rear looking forward so we can see your foot work!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 12, 2011, 14:05:21
Not sure why you want that view but it should be pretty easy.
 I'll take a look at mounting off chain guard bolt. and see if I can get vid uploaded before work one day this week
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Erskine on Jan 12, 2011, 14:19:21
I especially like the offroad bit to get where you wanted to....
ya hooligan

First thing I thought too ...............
You can take the boy out of the Valley but you can't take Valley out of the boy!! ;)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 13, 2011, 12:08:03
PJ, that view in general is more interesting to me for riding vids as it gives a real sense of what the rider is doing. you see rider shifting weight and you see the bike leaning etc. I thinks its bit more interesting than just seeing what's coming up the road.

It's not have I a thing for your feet! :-)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 13, 2011, 13:49:32
I guessed that, nothing weird about Diesel  ;D
Making a rear mount wasn't quite as easy as I expected
 I was going to mount it to top of suspension but ended up mounting it to rear footrest/exhaust bracket to get a lower view.
It has quite a lot of resonant vibration at various rpm, even witha bungy as a 'damper'.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/GoProrearmount.jpg)
 I'll try again on the weekend with it mounted higher.
 I was going to tear bike down and get frame powder coated then fit all the parts I've made/modified but, at present I'm having too much fun with it (and, I may have to have another surgery on my left arm in next month or two  >:( :( )
Anyway here's vid with gearchanges, and some 'offroad'  ;)
 There is quite a lot of swing arm movement which makes the automatic image stabilisation more impressive on the fork mounted vid
 I managed to break the plastic parts while putting bike away, probably machine some more robust ones from aluminium bar.
13th Jan 2011.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqCuyoHvMac#ws)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: tWistedWheelz on Jan 13, 2011, 13:56:12
I do like that angle much better but the vibration is effin up the quality of the vid, still cool stuff!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 13, 2011, 14:23:45
Yeah!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Jan 13, 2011, 17:12:40
THAT IS AWESOME! love those super smooth clutchless shifts (least it sounds like it!)

love the offroading. agrreed, your a hooligan. must be damn fun!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 16, 2011, 00:44:00
Did some work on bike, headlight changed as low beam has burned out, finally got round to fitting modified shocks (3/4" is a lot - in the right direction  ;) )
 Did a bit of electrical testing with stock 12v 12A/hr battery and also with 12v 7.5A/hr battery to see if results change (they don't  :P )
electrical pics are here
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=21350.0. (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=21350.0.)
 Battery died on camera before I could get pics of shocks fitted.
 They have improved ground clearance a lot.
 The spring rate is just about perfect for me, will be a little stiff if I manage to get back to 180~190lbs
Now I really need to get the new forks, wheels and tyres on (going to make some bronze bushings for swing arm first though  8) )
 I'll get pics when I change battery
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Jan 16, 2011, 00:56:00
saweeet... looking forward to pics with those shocks fitted!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: bluesmoke69 on Jan 16, 2011, 01:18:41
Looks like your having to much fun. ;)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 16, 2011, 14:36:26
Forgot to mention I also made a new camera mount to fit to tail light number plate bracket.
 It's rubber mounted so should cut down vibration.
Here's pics of shocks fitted
 Left side
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/NewShock4.jpg)
 Right side
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/NewShock1.jpg)
It's close to sprocket guard but has clearance.
 When I fit the new wheels the guard is disappearing
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/NewShock5.jpg)
From the back
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/NewShock3.jpg)
Close up showing the rubber bump stop is about 1" from bottomed out.
 This is after bumping it up the steps onto patio
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/NewShock2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Swagger on Jan 16, 2011, 15:52:25
I'll have to check the pictures when I'm not using the silly telephone but my question is is it that amount of travel with simply the bikes or with you also on board?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 16, 2011, 18:11:22
That was after a test ride. I thought it would probably bottom out going up steps but it didn't.   8)
The 'race sag' is about an inch, free sag only a couple of MM so spring is slightly soft initially.
 I'm going to try and find some straight rate sprigs sometime as variable rate don't work too good with variable valving
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 18, 2011, 15:48:19
Finally got round to adjusting valves, all were loose, right exhaust about 0.008" and rattling
Still playing with jetting, rebuilt a set of carbs with 115 main jets and different air correctors for stock exhaust (no filters, open carbs)
 Also modded slides and emulsion tubes, and no, I won't tell you exactly what I did  ;)
 When It's finalised I'll be offering air correctors for various exhaust systems and stock carbs
 Damn but it's quick now I leaned it out a bit, about 28mph in first gear (I know speedo is running a bit slow)
 Probably 11,500rpm or so? (no idea of rpm, high enough for points bounce/valve float though)
Seems to be great pick up but will need a longer road test to verify everything is good  ;D
Didn't get anything done on bike over weekend but did get shed roof patched up and made some more tach/speedo block off plugs
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Tachblockoffplugs.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Erskine on Jan 18, 2011, 18:38:25

 This is after bumping it up the steps onto patio


You've got a patio? ;)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Jan 31, 2011, 14:30:23
Nothing to report on bike, however I freaked out on dentist.
 Doesn't matter how good it looks when it doesn't do its job.
 Told me to get another root canal done, I've already had 3 out of the 4 teeth he ground on done  :o
Having another 'evaluation' on Friday.
 Used lot of Orajel and now using Anbesol which is stronger (20% Benzocain anesthetic)
 It's been going on since Dec 3rd I'm really pissed off
 Also got some bad news about the ongoing problem with my arm.
 I'm going to need another surgery, this time pretty major with around a SIX MONTH RECOVERY  >:(
 It's been around 16 months since the accident, I still can't ride very far and still can't use arm properly (my excuse for doing very little  ;) )
 Still buying parts and making some stuff though, just really slow, difficult to get motivated when everything hurts

 
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Sonreir on Jan 31, 2011, 14:54:13
That sucks, man.  :(
Here's hoping for a speedy and painless recovery.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Ringo on Jan 31, 2011, 15:09:52
Sorry to hear about the arm, pj.   :(

I would have gone off on the dentist too - that's some bs.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Erskine on Jan 31, 2011, 18:44:12
Hey PJ
Chin up!
My mate told me a story this evening involving a triumph trident, the double dips at stupid on the meter closely followed by a Lada crawling along at a snails pace.
 :o
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 31, 2011, 21:48:05
Ya, sorry to hear the news PJ. I know it's not much consolation, but anything we can do to help?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 31, 2011, 23:43:14
I have dreams about attacking the dentist with a dremel.

sorry to hear buddy.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Feb 01, 2011, 01:20:13
sucks to hear that man...

my grandfather got a new replacement some time ago... for a while he was down as he couldnt do anything, but as it slowly got better he realized just what the surgery was for. he injured his knee at the age of about 25, in a motorcycle accident back when he lived in england.

it will work out in the end man. and damn, you only need one arm to use a metal lathe ;)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Feb 01, 2011, 14:07:10
and damn, you only need one arm to use a metal lathe ;)

 Your right about that  ;D
 I've made a couple of parts and pieces.
 Bought some real cheap Chinese air filters off Sp*** F** L*** a few months ago.
 I knew I couldn't use them 'as is' because the mounting rubbers were way too big. (62mm)
 Got hold of some thin wall tube (it's cheap and nasty but will do the job)
 Did a real quick jobbie on filter flange with a pair of pliers, looks pretty nasty close up but will work fine with some epoxy
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Airfilteradapters-1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Airfilteradapters-4.jpg)
 Still have to drill a couple of holes/cut slots around circumference so I can 'spring' them onto carb.
I'll fit hose clamps but mainly to prevent air leak
 I also found my arm really is MESSED UP.
 Tried making a new battery box yesterday.
 doing a little bit of welding, after about 10 mins my hand was completely numb which surprised me and totally sucks.
 I couldn't hold filler rod so gave up on it.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: diesel450 on Feb 01, 2011, 22:35:39
You also made some SWEET flanges for my 360!! they arrived today and look great!!
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Feb 01, 2011, 22:47:01
bummer on the arm PJ.

keep it up though! looking good.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Feb 07, 2011, 00:14:41
 Meetup group Brendon started had first meet yesterday.
 12 people turned up including a couple of Ducati's ('new' ones, Paul Smart replica and a Monster)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Cafe-Moto4.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Cafe-Moto10.jpg)
Had a really great ride.
  I think it was a compliment when guy with Paul Smart replica Ducati posted this
 " You were cutting it up with the Monster! Nice to meet you - look forward to a good ride next time with better weather..."
 'Shortround' turned up on CB750 (I'm pretty sure it's in projects somewhere?)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Cafe-Moto8.jpg)
 There was also a CB550 and another CB360 (three of us made it on 360's  ;D )
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Cafe-Moto7.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Cafe-Moto6.jpg)
Mine and Brendon's
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Cafe-Moto11.jpg)
No one expected my stock looking bike to be so quick  8) (it looks like I just removed side panels and filters but I've done a LOT of work on carbs)
 Going out with a bunch of vintage bikes has definitely got me motivated to get this thing looking the part.
 Today I made blanking plugs for starter motor hole and kick start shaft hole so I can get 378 motor finished
 The starter motor block off from outside and inside case
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360starterblockoff.jpg)


 Kickstarter block off
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360Kickstartplug.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Big Rich on Feb 07, 2011, 00:23:36
Im assuming the e start is already gone, so bump start only?

Glad to hear you got out with the guys PJ. Great therapy, isnt it?
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: diesel450 on Feb 07, 2011, 13:21:47
PJ, now you've done it. I HAVE to HAVE one of those starter hole plugs. PM with how much cheddar that will run me.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Feb 10, 2011, 00:01:24
AWESOME!

i also want one of those starter plugs... heck, you can scribe "PJ" into them if you want ;)

Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Feb 12, 2011, 23:05:39
Thought of a better way to fix plug into motor
Moved screw holes outwards a bit and fitted stainless steel screws/washers to lock onto crankcase.
 I dug CB350 case out of shed and checked it fits, it does  ;)
I modified the plugs, they all weigh less than 2oz
This one is the lightest, 1.89oz.
 Could have gone further but didn't want it too thin
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/lightweightblockoff.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Rocan on Feb 13, 2011, 00:51:10
oooh, pretty... :)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Feb 13, 2011, 13:56:52
oooh, pretty... :)

Yeah, pity it's on the inside where you can't see it.
 I have to get bike finished one way or another pretty soon, got date for second surgery on my arm, 27th April.
 It's MAJOR and will take at least 6 months to heal up  :(
 Also got another $713.00 bill from dentist.
Can't believe how they get away with this shit, no other industry can fuck up then charge extra to fix the mess they made.
 I'm a professional, if I make  mistake, I have to fix it at my expense (or at least the shop pays  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Mar 20, 2011, 23:11:15
Had a really busy weekend working on 360, problem is, it wasn't mine  ;D
 bdn (http://www.meetup.com/Cafe-moto/ (http://www.meetup.com/Cafe-moto/)) had a lot of noise coming from cam chain/tensioner after ride up to Deland during Bikeweek.
 Stripped motor and found tensioner bottom holder was broken, blade jumped out of holder and wore a nice ridge into adjuster 'horseshoe'.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Camchaintensioner4.jpg)

There should be a 'tang' towards the right side which guides tensioner blade into position and also stops it falling out if chain gets loose.
 You can see the rough edge where it broke off (and also where the chain tried to saw through it  :o )
 (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Camchaintensioner3.jpg)

Missing the 'guide piece', wasn't inside the engine anywhere?
 The chain roller was also flat where it had rubbed on the tensioner arm
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Camchaintensioner5.jpg)
 
 Anyone who's stripped a 360 knows you have to split cases to fit a new one.
 Took about 10hrs to get stripped and rebuilt/running, could probably be done quicker but I had to keep explaining things plus, I fitted a new heavy duty cam chain from Z1 Enterprises while I was in there (got a 94 pin chain and shortened it to 92 pin)
 Sounds wonderful now, parallel side plates should wear tensioner very slowly so should be good to go at least another 30 yrs  ;D
 Swapped wheels and tank on mine so I can do some more painting, etc.
 
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 20, 2011, 23:20:13
10 hours? It takes us mere garage monkeys 10 weeks.......

Just kidding PJ. Glad to see you're getting your hands in some old bikes.
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: dStew on Mar 22, 2011, 20:27:36
Haha, how much for one of those starter motor plugs?


Any tips on how to get the darn thing off?


thx
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Apr 10, 2011, 01:01:24
I've postponed my surgery, was due April 27th but I'm seeing surgeon on 4th May, want to find out if he's going to do rotator cuff at same time, I'm pretty pissed off that it's almost 19 months since accident
Fed up with high bars (stock 1974)
Went out last weekend, only a quick bimble about, but, bike is smoking worse on left cylinder, running really hot (275F with non-contact thermometer at clutch cover)  :(
So, decided to swap in the 'dyno' engine  8)
Then, while I was at it, cut a few brackets off, remove exhaust and re-paint it, modify headlight mount and, next thing, bike is a pile of parts  :D
 I got forks back in with the clip-on's I made, just about perfect fit with modified stock bracket.
 fitting 'Lucas' taillight with an LED bulb
Footrests are off so I'm going to make some spacers and fit the rearsets.
 Going to use a ready made seat base as I don't have time to make the one I want at present (with all the other stuff going on)
 Going to be a slightly modified CB360 as  I now have a second one titled so that's getting the major workover (maybe, one of them is getting it  ::) )
 I'll take some pics tomorrow
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: crazypj on Apr 12, 2011, 14:53:10
Here's pics of modified Lucas style taillight holder and modified  headlight mount
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360LUCAStaillightmod.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360Headlightbracketmodplusclipons.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: Hot Rod Troy on Apr 12, 2011, 17:15:18
The government gets away with it all the time.  They are supposed to be proffesionals too.

Yeah, pity it's on the inside where you can't see it.
 I have to get bike finished one way or another pretty soon, got date for second surgery on my arm, 27th April.
 It's MAJOR and will take at least 6 months to heal up  :(
 Also got another $713.00 bill from dentist.
Can't believe how they get away with this shit, no other industry can fuck up then charge extra to fix the mess they made.
 I'm a professional, if I make  mistake, I have to fix it at my expense (or at least the shop pays  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on Apr 17, 2011, 02:25:30
Day started good, got bars mounted tight, holes drilled and wiring run through them, fitted exhaust system, messed with instrument mountings for way too long before I decided I'll have to make new bracket.
 Started cutting seat to fit frame 'nice' then the trouble started  :(
Using a mini chop saw blade from Harbor Freight in die grinder, (real good way to cut plastics) SLIPPED, big OOPS Fuck, I'm bleeding  ::)
Wrapped some paper towel around it and a bunch of masking tape so I could finish off seat though  8)
 Doesn't look too bad now but I think it may be pretty deep?
 Fitted real old shocks and wheel/tyre so I don't get any sparks/grinding grit embedded in the 'good' parts
 Not throbbing too bad so I took some pics  ;D
 Cut out clearance hump as I'm mounting seat a little higher, the white line on right side is where my finger stopped cutter blade  :o
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/April16th2011.jpg)

The offending digit and instrument, 10,000rpm cuts real quick
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/April16th2011-1.jpg)

The finished sides
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/April16th2011-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: diesel450 on Apr 17, 2011, 11:29:33
ouch!! geez man take it easy.
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: Erskine on Apr 17, 2011, 18:22:35
Fk that looks sore. Just don't get any salt in it!
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on Apr 18, 2011, 03:03:47
Got some stuff done, plus, managed NOT to hurt myself today  ;D
 finger is hurting, going to have to tape it up as the edge of nail keeps catching on things  :'(
left seat alone today, that'll learn'it  ;)
 Battery box is mounted, battery fitted, making a stainless steel hold down. (but probably not before Mods and Rockers)
Fitted a solid state regulator/rectifier which looks rather good, even if I do say so myself
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/17thApril2011-1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/17thApril2011-2.jpg)
 Headlight bucket is on, with a switch to turn lights off for starting
 Carbs are on and connected up, throttle cable re-routed so it wont snag on anything.
Got a really nifty master cylinder, small, (11mm bore) hydraulic line exits to rear with banjo bolt, going to fit great and not interfere with headlight mountings.
 Bit stuck on instruments, can't find a position I like that looks even remotely good (wasted several hours again, modifying parts)
 Started on rear-sets instead, going to make a new brake lever and all the bits to fit into frame instead of cutting up stock brake pedal  8)
Found a connector block to match Honda generator plug, going to re-wire without a load of stuff
 Need to get some more wire in different colours first though  ::)
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: frogman on Apr 18, 2011, 09:25:44
Who's reg/rec did you get pj?  I like the look of it. 
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Post by: KrashManhatten on Apr 20, 2011, 09:29:11
PJ--


Try stuffing super glue in that nail. Might help with the catching on things, and then it will not fall off when you wash your hands.


also sorry to hear about all the Health related issues you are running in to, I do have to say that FL health care is not some thing i would write home about.




half the reason i am trying to sell my house down their.


The starter block plug, clipon, fork clamps, anything you mill Looks awesome! if i only had a quarter of the talant you posses, all i am good for is drawing it up and sending it to the lasers, or the Fisher Price of a CNC Table i use. you really need to start selling some of your work, or do a consignment to Dime city they get 10% of what you charge or sell for off there site.


you have TRUE American MADE QUALITY!!!!

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Post by: crazypj on Apr 20, 2011, 15:19:19
Who's reg/rec did you get pj?  I like the look of it.

 It's a modified Suzuki Intruder regulator/rectifier.
 I find they are pretty good quality items because they are mounted above exhaust system so have to shed a lot of heat (and, they are  cheap  ;D )
 I've never had a problem with one so I like them (not as much as Honda CB/CM250/400 solid state ones though  ;) )
 Wire colours don't match Honda but it's not a problem
 I've worked for Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha dealers (never met a Kawasaki wiring harness that didn't have 'problems' so I don't 'do' them :o )

PJ--

Try stuffing super glue in that nail. Might help with the catching on things, and then it will not fall off when you wash your hands.

also sorry to hear about all the Health related issues you are running in to, I do have to say that FL health care is not some thing i would write home about.

half the reason i am trying to sell my house down their.

The starter block plug, clipon, fork clamps, anything you mill Looks awesome! if i only had a quarter of the talant you posses, all i am good for is drawing it up and sending it to the lasers, or the Fisher Price of a CNC Table i use. you really need to start selling some of your work, or do a consignment to Dime city they get 10% of what you charge or sell for off there site.

you have TRUE American MADE QUALITY!!!!



 HI Krash,

Yep, made in America by a Brit  ;D (actually I'm Welsh  8) )
 I've sold quite a few odds and ends now, it's not a full time job though (already got one of those  ??? )
 I only make stuff when I have some time, then, if it works for me, I make a few more and post up in 'Selling'
 I deal with people from all around the US, central Florida does seem to be some of the worst in the country for medical 'professionals', pretty sure the girls on OBT are more professional and do a better 'job' (not that I would know, too cheap to pay  ;D )
 I filled it with epoxy last night, there is a 0.025" gap, super glue runs out .
 Good luck with the house sale,  as you know, property market here is dire for sellers.
 
Oh, I'm doing a bit on bike, swapping out connectors and sorting wiring.
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: Erskine on Apr 20, 2011, 15:37:59
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/Erskine_2006/view.jpg)

 :) You can check out but you can't leave.
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: The Red Wonder on Apr 21, 2011, 03:19:55
Dang PJ! Awesome as always! I want to thank you for sharing your expertise and clever bits that you have made. I have taken your ideas, twisted them a little, and adapted them to my build. Thanks!
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on Apr 21, 2011, 03:50:25
Hey Erskine, you can see my house from there  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: Erskine on Apr 21, 2011, 08:14:37
Hey Erskine, you can see my house from there  ;D

I thought you'd like it!
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on Apr 24, 2011, 02:44:46
Failed to get bike done for Mods & Rockers so had to take the 'mostly stock' one.
over 130mile round trip, I think I did something nasty to it on way back as it's smoking pretty bad on left cyl.
 Anyway, I was going to post some pics but for some reason I cant?


Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on Apr 24, 2011, 12:58:11
 OK, this is part of the reason bike didn't get finished on time, spent too long making and modifying stuff (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)

11mm bore dirtbike master cyl (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378Caliper.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)

Made a banjo bolt from Stainless steel Allen, drilled some cross holes for lockwire and tapered top (and I made braided line)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378frontbrake.jpg)

'New' ignition switch, LED neutral and High beam warning, LED left/right indicator lights
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378newdash.jpg)

Expensive April! this is 4 of the 5 bikes, didn;t have to do truck as we did a 2 yr tag last year (next year will be VERY expensive)  :o
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on Apr 26, 2011, 00:55:24
Fitted LED rear indicator and made 3 different speedo mounts (so far. :o )
 Not happy with any of them so I'm on 4th
here's pic of new mount I made for indicators as I really wasn't happy with the look of nuts and washers  ::) (original for comparison)
 Fitted into original Honda mountings.
 Don't like the look of 8mm head bolts but haven't had chance to get some stainless coach bolts to modify so I'l have low profile dome head
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360rearindicator.jpg)

I was speaking with Jason from Dime City on Saturday at Mods & Rockers, going to try and get 2 or 3 bikes out the 'Grand Opening' next month, even as WIP  (work in progress  ;D 8) )
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: frogman on Apr 26, 2011, 09:34:53
Looks pretty good, coach = carriage?  I dunno where I get carriage from.  ;D
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Post by: dcmspikes on Apr 27, 2011, 21:03:54
all good things.  looks  like youve been working on these bikes a lot. 
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on Apr 28, 2011, 01:14:53
Looks pretty good, coach = carriage?  I dunno where I get carriage from.  ;D

 Coach bolts, carriage bolts, same thing, I bought some 6mm and some 1/4" stainless ones  ;D
Been trying to find a way to mount instruments, going with just a speedo for now, making all sorts of stuff that looks like it's going to work, until I actually fit it   >:(
 I have come up with something that doesn't look too 'shite' will post pic when its done. (different, as far as I know  ;) )
 Eventually going to mount rev counter where it's fully visible, probably central, with speedo offset to right
 Bought four different colour thirty foot lengths of wire to finish off wiring (enough for at least 2 bikes) $15.00 plus tax  :)
 Hopefully I'll be able to take it out by Sunday as a fully functioning runner although I'm already planning different rearsets
Got 2 motors to rebuild now  ::)
I'll have to stop breaking them  :o
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on May 02, 2011, 01:03:41
Speedo is mounted and working, had to fabricate a multi-piece bracket (amazing how difficult it is to spin wheel more than 10MPH  ;D )
Footrests on, had to make various spacers.
 Made a new brake pedal, don't like it but I'll keep it for now (made a second one, liked it even less  :o )
Cut down original brake pedal, removed foot lever part and kept pivot/operating arm/rod then welded 'pull' piece to bottom.
I was going to make a completely new section but it's taking too long and I want it running.
 still need to make linkage for brake and gearchange.
 Swapped wires on 'dash' LED's for thinner ones
 Doing everybodies 'favorite'  job - wiring it up
 It would be a lot easier if I hadn't fitted LEDs all over the place and didn't want to try to stick close to 'stock' wiring colours (indicators are 'correct', live, switched live, ignition and ground leads, correct colours)
 Cat thinks it's great though, all that stuff to play with  ;)
Shock is off so it's easy to compress suspension and get bolts through passenger footrest mounting holes
 So far,every time I touch anything, I HAVE to modify it   ::)
Almost forgot, I painted a few pieces as well  8)
 Anyway, here's a pic.
 Stuff you need.
 Butane soldering iron, two different crimping pliers, solder, heat shrink tubing, lots of different wires
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-everybodiesfavouritejob2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: Sonreir on May 02, 2011, 12:31:16
Wow.... thanks for the pic, PJ.  Now I'm looking forward to my wiring even less... :P
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: madmiles on May 02, 2011, 18:55:57
Omg this wiring pic makes me want to die! Not looking forward to rewiring.....at all!
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Post by: rizzlo34 on May 03, 2011, 14:17:37
PJ-  I love following your builds...so many creative and well thought out ideas.  Just wondering if you have had a chance to try running the engine that has the drilled out cam?  Do you plan on running an external oil line to feed through the center of the cam?  If you have any more info. on this modification, I am really interested. 

Thank you!
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on May 05, 2011, 21:47:55
Been working on various bits, about 98% finished
Modified an extra long gearchange link and re-threaded end, gearchange works good
 Made linkage for rear brake, straightened out stop plate to put it at 'correct' angle,  it works.  :)
 Bled front brakes, seem real spongy, but, on closer inspection, the caliper is twisting because I have mismatched pads (need to find a matched pair until I can get new ones)
  Wiring is finished but I managed to break green LED for neutral  :( (I've got a spare, just have to solder jumpers onto it)
 Couldn't find LED flasher relay for last few days, found it last night and fitted it so all blinkers 'blink' (I didn't know I had so many relays lying around )  ???
  swapped rear wheel for one with a new tyre and better chrome
 Fitted 'Red' shocks until I can make new bases for the Black/Gold ones.
 Made new 'cool' exhaust hanger bracket
 Found drive chain and fitted it.
  Still need to make front indicator hangers and some sort of seat cover/base unit/shape foam
  Pics to follow (when I take some  ;D )
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: Big Rich on May 06, 2011, 01:17:07
Pics! Pics!!

Seriously, I wanna see how this is coming along.
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on May 06, 2011, 01:44:43
Just went out and took a pic.
 Here's the rear end with quite a few modifications.
 Front end isn't exactly a secret, but I wont post a pic until it's finished
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-newrearend.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: Big Rich on May 06, 2011, 02:52:44
Haha! Got called on that one.......

I like it PJ! Are you keeping the rear fender? Seems everybody gets rid of them but they do make the ride much more enjoyable. And can I offer a suggestion? The muffler hanger seems a little out of place with the muffler itself.

Pardon me if there were plans mentioned earlier that I missed. I'm still trying to wrap my head around your rear brake linkage as well......no doubt it works, but the maybe it's the angle of your pic that is throwing me off.

Keep up the good work man! A lot of people are learning from this.
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: crazypj on May 06, 2011, 22:28:26
Haha! Got called on that one.......

I like it PJ! Are you keeping the rear fender? Seems everybody gets rid of them but they do make the ride much more enjoyable. And can I offer a suggestion? The muffler hanger seems a little out of place with the muffler itself.

Pardon me if there were plans mentioned earlier that I missed. I'm still trying to wrap my head around your rear brake linkage as well......no doubt it works, but the maybe it's the angle of your pic that is throwing me off.

Keep up the good work man! A lot of people are learning from this.

Hi Rich,
  Yeah, I'm not happy with the way the exhaust hanger looks either, will probably go with a steel tube when I get time.
 Brake linkage pulls bottom to push stock top piece. (like a see-saw  ;) )
 I'm going to make a new lever to connect to pedal and change leverage ratio slightly (when I get time  ::) )
 It has an increasing leverage ratio and the link plate is just a sawed off piece to check proof of concept, it will look  lot nicer when it's carved into shape.
 I'm keeping the rear fender, although I am going to mould a fiberglass one and mount it further forward so it looks shorter (when I get time  ;D )
 I really don't like the extra short rear end when fender is totally removed and 75% of wheel is exposed, just looks stupid in my opinion.
 Main problem at present, I want to ride it to Meet-Up meeting tomorrow afternoon so I'm rushing a few things.
 The front end is more or less finished though, just needs wiring tidied up a bit.
I'll post up a pic later
 After Dime City grand opening it's all coming apart for paint
Title: Re: CB360's - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil - New Pictures-sorta finished
Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2011, 04:22:13
Finished wiring and tied it into position with some zip ties.
 Started about 4th kick, sounds pretty damn good.
 Rear-set gets in the way so I'm going to make something to hold footrest up while kick starting  :(
 Have to put some air in rear tyre, find the little blocks that fit into swing arm for chain adjustment and velcro the seat pad to base
 Not sure how new jetting and modified carb is going to work, haven't run it on 378 motor yet  ::)
Seat is mounted, clamped down pretty tight made a pad, it's pretty nasty but better than sitting on fiberglass  ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-May7th2011-3.jpg)
Front end is done (sort of  ;D )
speedo mounted on fork leg, and working  8)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-May7th2011-4.jpg)
Drive side, gearchange and modified clutch operating cover. still need to adjust chain
 If it doesn't give me any problems tomorrow I'm going to do another one (or two  ;D )
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-May7th2011-2.jpg)
Made an indicator mount to bolt onto fork, didn't like any of the 'standard' fittings, bored a piece of square tube at an angle to get lights horizontal without any nuts and washers showing
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-May7th2011-5.jpg)
Wired up running lights on front, the running light goes out when flasher operates which I thought was pretty cool.
 As I said yesterday, never had a bike with running lights  ???
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-May7th2011-1.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Big Rich on May 07, 2011, 04:30:20
Good stuff PJ. My phone cuts off the right side of all pictures (and it's a tiny screen) but I definitely want to double check this in the morning. I do like that speedo idea too!
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Ringo on May 07, 2011, 05:10:40
PJ, very cool my friend!  All this custom fab work has me envious of your skills.  And let me say, ANYTHING is better than sitting on fiberglass.  I still haven't worked out a seat pad for mine, and putting around 100 miles on the bike in the last two days has left my rear unbelievably sore.   :o

Congrats on finishing one up!
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Erskine on May 07, 2011, 07:36:27
putting around 100 miles on the bike in the last two days has left my rear unbelievably sore.   :o


+1

Looking great PJ. Nice front end, I like the relocated speedo. I've toyed with the idea of trying to relocate my tacho, what's the SP on shortening the drive cable?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2011, 12:30:55
'Speedo' cable is tach cable  ;D
 Seat pad is 3 layers of carpet underlay stuck together with spray contact adhesive.
 Seat base is 20gauge aluminium sheet and the cover is an old seat cover.
 If I had had more time I would have done it 'properly' and stitched sections together so it fitted nicer and, I would have used some fine foam over underlay to smooth things out. As is,  I roughed foam out with a pair of scissors and glued everything together  ::)
 All glued down last night (got finished 'early', around 3:20 am  :o )
 I found my industrial grade Velcro this morning and 'stuck pad to fiberglass base.
 It doesn't need anything more than the 20gauge as fiberglass does all the actual support.
 Found the little chain adjuster blocks for swing arm and fitted them (forgot you have to remove axle  :( )
Chain is adjusted and lubed, tyres inflated.
The only thing I'm waiting for is tank to drain so I can swap petrol tap from blue one to red one  ???
I'm going to have to find the other 3 I have or buy a new one, it's getting old swapping tanks and taps ;)
 I'm going riding this afternoon  ;D 8) 8)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2011, 18:32:55
Here's the finished article  :o
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-hiding-2.jpg)
Went to Meet-up meeting, let one of the guys with 360 take it 'round the block' ;D
 He was pretty impressed with extra power a 2mm overbore gives and, it isn't as uncomfortable as it looks  8)
 Then, couple of us went for a ride, 61.2 total miles
 Exactly as expected, doesn't work too well until around 65mph.and, at 70 things smooth out real well and the wind provides enough 'lift' to make life comfortable. ;)
 Vibrates like crazy at 55 in top gear (6th) so 4th is a better option  ::)
 didn't get flat out, buffeting from headlight/helmet was causing double vision at 97? (probably a bit of a headwind, felt like 150? ;D )
 Anyway, here's what I found after first ride.
1. in top gear, vibration at 55 sucks
2. Seat is way more comfortable than it looks
3. Angle of bars is wrong for me, need swinging back and tilting down at steeper angle (I though it would be an issue)
4. Brake pedal needs finishing off and top edge needs rounding
5. Drive chain needs adjusting (new chain, bedded in a bit  ;) )
6. Really REALLY need better tyres,very easy to go almost 3 times posted limit on a few curves (posted limit is unrealistically low for radius of turn) didn't slide or anything, just could have gone round 4~5 times posted limit  with better grip (maybe I should keep the old, hard tyres? slows me down a bit ;D )

  When we got back I let Brendon take it 'round the block'
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CafeBrendon-1.jpg)
 Exhaust sounds really good, reminds me of a 500 Triumph, even at high rpm (you don't really 'hear' exhaust until someone else rides it)
 He was very surprised with power compared to his 360  8) also, now thinks rear-sets aint such a bad idea  ;D

   Motor has done a couple of dyno runs but it's the first 'real' mileage, compression is getting better as rings bed in properly, I think it's going to be a quick little motor, stock carbs and all.
 I'll pull plugs later and see how far out overall carburation is, I know it's slightly lean at idle but I haven't adjusted mixture screws yet
 Given me a hell of an incentive to get the 'race' motor finished and built
 


Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Swagger on May 07, 2011, 18:49:41
Nice looking scoot PJ, glad to hear it's up and rippin' round!
How's the claw in all this? Any headway?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Rocan on May 07, 2011, 19:23:10
saweet!

damn, 97 is pretty quick on a fresh motor with a headwind! absolutely love this bike... its look dont show its ability. bit of a sleeper.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: bdn3d on May 08, 2011, 00:09:41
had a great ride today, kinda weird though PJ was pretty much behind me the entire day... Getting a big head , thinking my bike is just as fast as his 380?? nah! All hype, and then I got humbled like a bird shitting on my head! His bike is definitely above mine, after riding it and thinking holy sh$# this things fast (and that was at half throttle :o )
 
 
....I now need to do more work to mine, which will probably piss PJ off because he will be the one helping me ;D ;D ;D , LOL
 
Next up LEDs, CAFE Seat, new bars, carb overhaul, etc... Cant wait!!! 8)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Hot Rod Troy on May 08, 2011, 00:57:53
Looks good PJ.  Are you going to post a vid?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on May 08, 2011, 02:02:06
Didn't take any video this week.
 I still have over an hour from ride to Cocoa Beach two weeks ago from Mods&Rockers.
I'm going to have to learn how to edit out the really boring bits ;D
 Something I forgot to mention earlier, seat needs moving forward a bit and looks pretty bad up close (but I did make it in a heck of rush, my excuse and I'm sticking to it  ;) )
 Found out why wiring was all over the place, cat thinks its a play toy (real funny to watch)
 There is a local road with a really good series of bends strung together, problem is, unmarked police cars patrol it.
 Really only know because it was chasing someone in the opposite direction this afternoon with ALL the flashing lights going mad  8)
Maybe I'll do both directions a few of times?
 
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Post by: Rocan on May 08, 2011, 02:29:40
wheres the fun in that? get some fresh tires on her and outrun them ;)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: tweakin on May 08, 2011, 12:15:41
Looks good PJ..
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Post by: Erskine on May 08, 2011, 16:55:49
Looks good PJ.  Are you going to post a vid?


+1 Beat me to it.
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Post by: hurley209 on May 11, 2011, 19:37:37
absolutely rad!
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Post by: Sonreir on May 11, 2011, 19:43:41
Sounds like a great bike.  Was this the bike with the increased compression as well?
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Post by: crazypj on May 11, 2011, 23:11:06
Yep, skimmed head and block.
It's actually pretty hard to kick over so compression is well up there  ;)
 I pulled plugs this morning, looks just about perfect, milky coffee coloured, ground strap and porcelain all the way to base.
 Will have to do a full throttle test but I think it's going to be good.
 Who said stock carbs don't work?  8)
I guess air correctors I made are just about right
 I'll try and get a pic in next few days
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Post by: stik70 on May 11, 2011, 23:17:43
Looks Great PJ!!!
Kev
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Post by: Sonreir on May 12, 2011, 13:25:58
What jets are you running, pj?  About 125 or so?
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Post by: JustinLonghorn on May 12, 2011, 13:47:09
Didn't take any video this week.
 I still have over an hour from ride to Cocoa Beach two weeks ago from Mods&Rockers.
I'm going to have to learn how to edit out the really boring bits ;D
 

Damn, I went to that show with my pops. Would have been nice to put a face to an internet persona, eh?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on May 13, 2011, 04:54:35
What jets are you running, pj?  About 125 or so?

112.5 Kei-Hin small round
SonreirI has bright yellow polo shirt on, couldn't miss me  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - 1974 & 1975 - Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- yep, there's two of them
Post by: MILLENNIUM FALCON on May 13, 2011, 07:38:27
I just started looking at your build, Looks great! Where did you find your indicator lights. I was thinking about doing something similar with my dash. thanks!
 OK, this is part of the reason bike didn't get finished on time, spent too long making and modifying stuff (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)

11mm bore dirtbike master cyl (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378Caliper.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)

Made a banjo bolt from Stainless steel Allen, drilled some cross holes for lockwire and tapered top (and I made braided line)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378frontbrake.jpg)

'New' ignition switch, LED neutral and High beam warning, LED left/right indicator lights
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378newdash.jpg)

Expensive April! this is 4 of the 5 bikes, didn;t have to do truck as we did a 2 yr tag last year (next year will be VERY expensive)  :o
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ExpensiveApril-2011.jpg)
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Post by: crazypj on May 13, 2011, 11:19:20
Indicators from eBay, $19.95 a pair plus shipping.
 'Dash' was a piece of 2" aluminium angle, cut and drilled. If I could have found a small piece of 3" I would have 'filled in' the gap at 'back'
Next April is going to be crazy expensive, even more than I thought.
My wife put Firebird in MY name so it will be 4~5 bikes, pickup and car  :o
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Swagger on May 13, 2011, 18:13:13
Have you by chance measured your static compression? You mention it being somewhat difficult to kick over....
My 550cc 450/500T hybrid will be sitting at 11.2 to 1 and I've wondered what that'll do to the kicker effort. The electric leg on these engines seems to be pretty dodgy too, I'd feel kinda dumb having to do a 3rd gear GP start every time I need to move it under it's own power....
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on May 15, 2011, 22:39:48
I did measure volumes but then I swapped a few things around and lost list (probably some where real safe  ;) )
Went to Dime City grand opening yesterday, 3 bikes in back of a Mazda B2300 was a bit of a tight fit.
 Took a lot of pics, will probably put some up in 'the lounge' section
Pulled tyres off alloy rims and fitted them to stock rims (not ready to fit drum front end into bike yet, it really for the second one, when I get frame painted)
 Steering very 'light'/'twitchy' with 90/90 front and 110/90 rear on 1.6 and 1.85 rim.
 May drop pressure slightly and see if it makes a difference?
 Did about 50 miles this afternoon, got a 1 min vid of the only series of bends in 10 miles of Orlando (actually have a couple but this is reasonable time)
Accidentally switched camera off going the other direction which kinda sucks as it was a 'better' run through .
 Hell of a lot of fun though  ;D
Orlando Fl.-curvey bits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOVrIVmkTr4#ws)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Erskine on May 16, 2011, 16:50:59
I like the shadow on the bank near the end of the video, great quality footage.
Had to stop myself from shouting ' Mate! you're on the wrong side of the road!' lol
:)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Sonreir on May 16, 2011, 16:56:26
I had to check the member map just now to see where you were living, Erskine.  There's a lot of folks from Wales on here.  I used to live in Chepstow, myself (though I'm a Yank).
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: bdn3d on May 16, 2011, 17:03:41
You think the camera footage is awesome, I was behind him and watching him fade away in the distance, the camera does not do that road justice, very fast for a 360 through there!!!  :D
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Erskine on May 16, 2011, 18:02:05
I had to check the member map just now to see where you were living, Erskine.  There's a lot of folks from Wales on here.  I used to live in Chepstow, myself (though I'm a Yank).

Funnily enough I was in Chepstow yesterday afternoon! There seems to be some good pubs there.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Sonreir on May 16, 2011, 18:05:46
Yeah... I used to drink at The Boat when I was in Chepstow, but usually went out to the Tan House in Shirenewton though.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: JustinLonghorn on May 16, 2011, 19:10:07
PJ, where in Orlando is that? I lived in Thornton park/downtown for a few years.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on May 17, 2011, 01:26:03
PJ, where in Orlando is that? I lived in Thornton park/downtown for a few years.

 I would rather not say, for a couple of reasons  ;)
 If your down this way, I'll take you out there, it's less than 10 miles from Altamonte
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Ian Oberholtzer on May 17, 2011, 02:32:21
make that ride a goal for the completion of my bike :) if i may tag along
Title: Re: CB360-Really Boring
Post by: crazypj on May 28, 2011, 03:49:32
Did a few bits on the 'runner'  ;D
Adjusted bars back about 10 degrees and tilted levers down a bit so it's more comfortable.
 Fitted 'race' plugs
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Anewplug.jpg)
 Seems to make a difference (may be just psychological though  ;) )
Had a really 'boring' time this week
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Boringtime-1.jpg)
three 378cc 'conversions (two of mine and one for Ian)
last one is a 422cc I'm inventing as I go (7mm overbore, new liners, etc)
360 piston in '422' bore
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Boringtime-3.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Ian Oberholtzer on May 28, 2011, 21:15:14
Cant wait to hear it in action. 
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 04, 2011, 02:56:08
Rode bike to work today, lost right mirror (I knew those expander plugs were crap)
 Had a load of fun though.
 Running pretty damn good, capable of more than keeping up with traffic  ;)
 Coming home was even more fun, had to do at least 70 so I didn't get run over and, it's safer to be doing 5~10mph more than traffic to stay safe  8)
I filmed it all with Go-Pro but I really will have to edit it down to manageable bits, two 25 min films are too much.
 still haven't painted frame for bike #1, having too much fun with bike #2 at present (plus, due for surgery next week, getting in some riding while I can)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 04, 2011, 19:41:23
Finally got out of Orlando and onto open road.
Did the 'clock' no more numbers  ;D (admittedly, downhill)
Very stable, felt a lot slower than whatever was showing. (just felt a bit windy  ;) )
 Bit more than 100 miles with clip-on's and rear-sets, feel OK, neck a bit stiff, back is better than it was before I started
I'll see if anyone in riding group has pics  8)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 05, 2011, 14:33:44
Clock on a 360 is 110...  That's a fast bike, man.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 05, 2011, 14:38:23
Not full throttle yet, still accelerating.
Extra 22cc makes a lot of difference
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Saturday4thJune2011-1.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 05, 2011, 14:39:11
This is the high compression 378?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 05, 2011, 14:40:31
Yep  8) stock carbs as well
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 05, 2011, 14:43:04
Nice.  This is really making me want to finish mine up.  I just started wiring yesterday...

Any guess on compression on yours?  Static compression on mine is going to be running right about 10:1 on my 378.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Rocan on Jun 05, 2011, 14:44:31
Yep  8) stock carbs as well

bullshit... the only thing stock about your carbs is the diaphragm ;)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 05, 2011, 14:50:15
Don't know, don't care.
 Static compression is actually a bit meaningless, dynamic compression is what counts.
 I usually just check cold cranking compression, if it's over 225psi on my gauge I fit a thicker base gasket and run 93 octane  ;D
 Gauge probably isn't as accurate as it should be but I've used the same one for over 25 yrs with same results on cars and bikes
probably around 10.5~11:1 C/R, (maybe  a bit more or less?) it doesn't knock or ping so I'm not worried
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 05, 2011, 20:27:47
bullshit... the only thing stock about your carbs is the diaphragm ;)

 Ah, but they are stock bodies with some strategic holes and modified 'brass'.
 Needles and slides are completely stock, I tried opening up lift holes and didn't like results, although they would probably work on a 360 motor. I'm going to drill them out further and tap for different size air plugs
 Float level is 1mm higher than stock.
 The real point is, you don't need to spend $300.00+ on VM 30/32 when you can make stock carbs work. I fitted a set without replaceable air jets, now I know it works, I'll modify anyone's CB360 stock carbs, even those with pressed in jets (for a fee  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Big Rich on Jun 06, 2011, 00:33:31
Sorry PJ, I had to catch up a little bit. Everything is looking great though! Any concerns about the top end oiling issues that are prevalent with the 360's? I'm pretty sure you did some work for that.....I'm just forgetting at the moment.

Your cylinder work reminded me: the guys that I work with that run the drills are called "boring operators" as well.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 11, 2011, 04:38:29
Hi Rich, yep, even with minor oiling mods I'm a bit concerned.
going to get external oil line mod done when I'm able to use left arm, got a brace from shoulder to wrist, the second op really was pretty major, uncomfortable even with painkillers (which is why I'm typing at 3;37am  :( )
 I've added some Lucas oils 'Oil stabiliser' to increase the ZDDP level plus running full synthetic in the 378.
 Wife took me to pick up more new bits today, can get second one finished when my arm heals up
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Morenewstuff-2.jpg)
New drive chain, Goodridge pressure switch for front brake and a couple of carb re-build kits (only really needed shut off valves) got some more secondary main jets but they ain't in the pic.
Also got a pair of Bridgestone Battleax tyres, 90/90x18 front and a 110/90x18 rear
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Morenewstuff-1.jpg)

Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Big Rich on Jun 11, 2011, 09:39:31
Man, that sucks. Hope it heals up quickly......did the docs give any ideas on a timeline?

I've heard a lot of good things about the Battle Axe tires.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 15, 2011, 02:47:21
Oop's, forgot to put second vid in  ::)
First bike I pass is a Triumph Thruxton, but it's new and not broke in yet Second is slightly modded 360, then another Triumph (Bonneville?)

Bendz-1.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIsgMy_5BC8#ws)

Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Erskine on Jun 15, 2011, 05:48:21
Flat there isn't it!
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Ian Oberholtzer on Jun 28, 2011, 18:59:39
Sho is flat around our part of fl...

Only place to get ahold of shut offs is the rebuild kit? i was looking for them on their own and didnt find them.. more money than i wanted to spend seeing as they are all i need as well.. ughh.

the 110s getting mounted to the alu wider rims?

Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Swagger on Jun 28, 2011, 21:53:04
Look like it's hunting a bit, how's the suspension set up? Or was that a rough road?
Sounds solid!
(I gotta quick drinking coffee in the afternoons...)
What are you thoughts on those shocks, post rework? I've yet to do anything with this other pair other than take a few measurements. Have you settled on a reservoir pressure that works for your setup? I've talked to a couple guys, one's running them on a 550 Zephyr with 5.5oz of 20wt and 70psi, the other kat's on an SR500 and he said for his bike 15wt and 90psi work(didn't remember volume). Thoughts?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 29, 2011, 01:22:41
Road is a bit rough at start of vid, tarmac don't work so well on top of sand, damp spot and a heayy truck it collapses pretty quick.
 Helmet mounted cam, I'm always looking around to see whats likely t run into me  ;D
 I can't find the fork mounting I made for camera, will make another one before I go riding (got a couple of months  :( )
 That will give a much better idea of my riding style  :o
  Just went back and watched vid, around 54~55 sec you see top of master cyl, it looks 'level but it's  actually quite well  leaned over
 
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Swagger on Jun 29, 2011, 13:31:39
It also occurs, that bunged up claw might make things 'interesting'.....does it bug you much whilst riding? Last caffeine induced question for now....
As i said before it sounds solid, how high are you running the RPMs?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 29, 2011, 14:04:33
Can't ride at all at present, haven't ridden since before surgery on 8th June.
 The motor has been up to 11,500 rpm on dyno, lighter pistons means less stress on big ends and rods
 Points 'bounce' acts as a rev limiter with stock ignition so I'm leaving the points in there
 Probably only revving to 8~9,000, not running out through the gears.
I haven't modified clutch on this motor, it slips if I rev it too high  8)
 Extra 22cc makes way more difference than anyone expects (see Brendon's comments  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Rocan on Jun 29, 2011, 22:21:03
saweeet.... get some barnett clutch plates and make those slip ;)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 30, 2011, 01:18:18
saweeet.... get some barnett clutch plates and make those slip ;)

 They will with stock springs ;)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Rocan on Jun 30, 2011, 02:08:13
They will with stock springs ;)

no cheating! if you make the barnett clutch springs slip with non-stock stronger springs, (AND NO, YOU CAN'T USE SYNTHETIC OIL) I will buy you a set of clutch plates for the other bike ;)

and this is with the clutch fully dis-engaged, no cheating and adjusting it so its slightly engaged. :)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: diesel450 on Jun 30, 2011, 10:59:16
What is this external oil line mod you speak of?  8)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jun 30, 2011, 15:07:13
Pretty sure stock plates are going to work OK with Boretech 350 springs?
 I fitted heavy duty springs to my 591c '550 F1' around 6~7,000 miles and never changed plates in 106,000 miles (I'm not heavy on clutches, I am heavy on brakes and tyres though  ::) )
 Going to have to wait a while to find out though
 The oil line mod isn't completed yet.
 The gun drilled cam and clutch cover/cam cover mods are pictured earlier in build, just haven't figured out if I'm going to use a hard line or braided/teflon line.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Jul 12, 2011, 06:10:18
crazyp what did u pay for your bridgestones?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jul 12, 2011, 13:05:17
Sorry, don't remember, I'll have to find receipt.
I ordered a lot of stuff for 3 bikes, (3 sets of tyres, wanted to try different manufactures) but ended up getting 3/4 of my cash back because stuff was out of stock (Parts Unlimited)
 I wanted Conti 'GO' but they were going to be over $200.00 a pair  90/90 F, 110/90 R)
I guess first pair of Conti's was a lot cheaper because Conti were trying to get 'market exposure'?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jul 14, 2011, 20:18:49
As site wasn't available for last few days, I finally got round to finishing off brake pedal.
Still need to make a new link bar, the original stuff was made real quick so I could go to Dime City opening and after that I was just riding it  8)
 Also took a pic of Moto-Guzzi brake pedal I was making, the original is cast magnesium alloy and very light, but, also very easily broken,(and costs over $300.00, yep three hundred not a miss-print)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Brakepedals-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: dcmspikes on Jul 14, 2011, 20:22:50
holy crap.  those must be light.  do they flex at all?
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Jul 14, 2011, 20:47:23
Sorry, don't remember, I'll have to find receipt.
I ordered a lot of stuff for 3 bikes, (3 sets of tyres, wanted to try different manufactures) but ended up getting 3/4 of my cash back because stuff was out of stock (Parts Unlimited)
 I wanted Conti 'GO' but they were going to be over $200.00 a pair  90/90 F, 110/90 R)
I guess first pair of Conti's was a lot cheaper because Conti were trying to get 'market exposure'?


Hey dont you need a buisness liscence  to order from parts unlimited?

Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jul 14, 2011, 21:32:02

Guzzi brake pedal is about 20mm wide
Parts unlimited, probably, but, most shops just order the parts and give them to you, particularly when it's a pair of tyres tied together
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: Swagger on Jul 14, 2011, 23:04:41
Hey nifty bits there PJ, hope the claw is coming along well.
Title: Re: CB360 Hear No Evil & Speak No Evil- New pics -sorta finished one
Post by: crazypj on Jul 19, 2011, 23:13:14
Hi swagger, still mostly numb but occupational therapy, ultra sound and massage are helping with scarring.
Things are loosening up a bit still really weak though :'(
 Started putting the third CB378 motor together.
 This one is probably going to end up more 'trackerish'
 Haven't cleaned and painted head yet, going to clean up ports , valve job, and oil system mod.
 Not sure if  I'll make a right side high level pipe set, same/similar to 390 I have in Britain?
 Here's pic of cylinder fitted and one of left piston.
 Block has been skimmed, I forget how much though  ::)
Will get piston to TDC tomorrow and measure where crown is then see if head needs skimming (or not  ;D )
 Managed to loose copper head gasket, I've put it too safe this time
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378No3.jpg)
Yes, that is a bit of 'dirt' at 11:00 o'clock position, picture shows stuff that's easy to miss.
 I'll clean it out before head is fitted
 

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378No3leftpiston.jpg)
I'm going to modify sprocket cover, same/similar to 'cafe' one
Probably going to paint outer covers and head/rockerbox metallic light blue, if I can find it in high temp paint (Pontiac colour?)
 Clutch and clutch covers are going to be modified on all motors, plus gun drilled cam /external oil lines
 
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: KrashManhatten on Jul 20, 2011, 13:49:20

Also i do realize that riding a small bike WOT is more fun then a big bike but man you put a lot of heart in the little bikes.


hows the external oiliers working?

Ah, but they are stock bodies with some strategic holes and modified 'brass'.
 Needles and slides are completely stock, I tried opening up lift holes and didn't like results, although they would probably work on a 360 motor. I'm going to drill them out further and tap for different size air plugs
 Float level is 1mm higher than stock.
 The real point is, you don't need to spend $300.00+ on VM 30/32 when you can make stock carbs work. I fitted a set without replaceable air jets, now I know it works, I'll modify anyone's CB360 stock carbs, even those with pressed in jets (for a fee  ;) )




I do have to agree with the BS call with ROCAN--



There is some serious work done to the whole machine.

how is the VIB on that thing?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 20, 2011, 17:58:03
It's only half the work of an inline 4  ;D
I've done serious modifications on GS550, around 170~175 mph top end, just costs a LOT
CB550, less mods, around 130mph (with panniers/saddlebags  :o )
GS1000 easy to take them out to 1100~1425cc, 180mph.
It's cheaper and more 'fun' for my to take the  Honda 'bastard child' and make something of it (only worse bike in my opinion is the Honda V-4 750)
 Basically I treat the CB360 same as a Triumph 500 (it's about the same size, weight, reliability, except I know how to make them more reliable  8) )
 They both have a pretty short lifespan if revved too high  ???
When I've finished this 'set' of 360's I'll get back to the Yamaha 650's (with various big bore kits and modifications  ;) )
 Forgot to answer VIB?
 if you mean Vibe, it's not much different to stock, GS pistons are lighter than the Honda stock size so you can hold it at higher rpm.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: Swagger on Jul 20, 2011, 18:27:19
Hey PJ, since we're talking about pistons....
what's your though on shorter piston-skirts? In comparison to the new stuff, the older pistons are really long. The slugs I got for the car really don't have ANY skirt below the wrist-pin to speak of. Thoughts?

Good to hear there's some progress on the arm as well, man what a long road that "modification" turned into!?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 20, 2011, 23:45:17
Short skirt pistons can have ring sealing problems when cold and do tend to wear out quicker as they can/do rock in the bore.
If you have forged pistons they need more clearance so have more problems when cold.
 They can be a lot lighter though and will allow more rpm and usually faster pickup.
 Latest MX bikes with just enough piston to hold rings have a very short design life, 30hrs or less if you use all the rpm available.
 I've found new rings around 8~10,00 miles on a street motor is a good idea as long as skirts are not too short (3~4 times land width)
 The long old style pistons are really stable in bore and will do very high mileage without wearing things out as long as rpm is kept reasonable (100,000mile plus on CB500,550,750 etc)
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Post by: Swagger on Jul 21, 2011, 13:28:46
It's been something I've been thinking on for a while. I do wonder about wear though, especially with more modern metallurgy. The pistons in my toy-car for instance have a very short skirt to ring-land as I remember they're almost 1-1 and they're not forged. The OE pistons they replaced were quite as short but still short and went 140k miles I think. Didn't really need replacing, I just wanted to use these slippers.
I wonder about modern manufactured pistons in old bike specs, mainly with reference to running lighter short skirt style lumps? The next set of pistons for the car have almost no skirt at all on the 'back side'...those are crazy looking!
I'm beginning to thing that the short pistons aren't really suitable to air cooled engines given the inherently higher piston to bore tolerances. Hmm...piston squirters.....
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Post by: crazypj on Jul 24, 2011, 12:38:46
Hi Swagger,
 I don't want to get too deep into engine design, but, if you measure rod length to stroke you'll usually find extra short pistons use a relatively long rod ratio (usually 1.7~1.9:1)
 There are reasons for using different rod ratio's but for majority of people it isn't an option
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Post by: Swagger on Jul 24, 2011, 14:33:10
Well it stands to reason since as a rule short skirt pistons tend to have shorter ringland to wrist pin distance. I know that longer rods tend to yield 'lower' terminal speeds for the piston at the extremes of the stroke. Should in turn lead to a more durable and hopefully less vibratory engine. Everything I've read tends to imply that there are also power gains to be had due to slightly longer period/arc ratios (more time with the combustion pushing the piston down) as well as longer valve duration support which should allow for better evacuation.
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Post by: crazypj on Aug 04, 2011, 00:50:11
I made some adapters for the cheap Chinese knock off K&N filters, alloy tube epoxied into modified end cap.
 Going to find some radiator hose or similar to clamp them onto carb (they are also machined to fit on as far as 'rib' on intake.
 I tried making them to slip over the rib but it didn't work so I had to start over.
 Going to strip paint off frame in next few days, sandblast the rust off and get it looking 'pretty'
No pics at present

 Swagger, I know quite a lot about 'long rod specials'  ;D
I 'invented' the XS800 based on 14mm longer rod (from Honda CR500)
 There's a long posting at XS650 Garage (18 pages)
http://xs650temp.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=EngineModified&action=display&thread=78 (http://xs650temp.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=EngineModified&action=display&thread=78)
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Post by: crazypj on Aug 14, 2011, 15:11:40
Started on the boring stuff  ::)
 Spent most of yesterday cleaning paint off swing arm and  frame.
 Swing arm is pretty nasty, lot of rust, not sure if it's useable (even though it has been 'quite fast' when bike was assembled  ;D )

 It's so hot at present paint stripper isn't working, the 'nasty stuff' evaporates before it does anything so I had to use flap wheel type thing.
It's dirty sweaty work.
Anyone fot any idea's (except paying $200.00 for sand blast/powder coat, I can't afford that at present)
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Post by: frogman on Aug 14, 2011, 16:28:40
I used an angle grinder and a wire brush or two on mine, was rather surprised at how fast the paint came off. I think I did the whole frame in an hour and half. Then I just rustoleum rattle canned it with their rust inhibitor primer and painted it charcoal grey metallic.

My swing arm was pretty bad too, looked like it had a battery explode all over it. Was mainly just surface rust, cleaned right up.
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Post by: Ian Oberholtzer on Aug 14, 2011, 16:52:04
i second the angle grinder wire brush ( brass ) technique, takes it off pretty quick.. but.. BE CAREFUL, remember i showed you the big gash on my stomach from where it grabbed on my shirt, lucky it didn't do more than scuff me up a bit.
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Post by: frogman on Aug 14, 2011, 17:29:09
Yeah mine started throwing pieces of wire out of if it after a bit so I swapped it out. Suckers hurt like hell when they hit you.
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Post by: hillsy on Aug 14, 2011, 20:56:23
Wire cup brush on the angle grinder is my preferred weapon of choice - you need to get this type:
 
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/hillsythegreat/wire-brushes.jpg)
 
The brass ones are too weak / soft for stripping rust and paint off frames (they wear out in no time  :( )
 
 
 
I generally use mine for cleaning up welds when I'm using my flux core, so I pretty much always wear welding gloves and my welding helmet while I'm using the wire brush grinder - they can be pretty nasty if things go wrong  :o
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Post by: JustinLonghorn on Aug 15, 2011, 09:25:38
I used a 3M Blue Scrubby on my angle grinder. It looks like this.
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/wetherbe/14b1acea.jpg)
 
Made stripping my chop frame real easy.
 
From this:
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/wetherbe/0fc59846.jpg)
 
To this:
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/wetherbe/f9ed1994.jpg)
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Post by: Big Rich on Aug 15, 2011, 09:42:18
PJ, I use a gravity fed sand blaster called the "Speed Blaster" or something like that. It was about $40 when I got it and just hooks up to a normal air line. Matter of fact, I think T71ford and Ringo use the same thing with good results.

While I don't really like to ship tools, I would make an exception in this case.
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Post by: Kanticoy on Aug 15, 2011, 10:20:13
I use the gravity fed blaster too. It's made by black bull and I bought it from tractor supply. Holds 25 gallons of sand. I then run the compressor through a dessicant drier since the humidity is 1000% in Alabama and likes to turn sand into patties when its wet. Works great and uses the $2 play sand from Lowes.
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Post by: Big Rich on Aug 15, 2011, 11:07:42
I know what you're talking about Kiley, but here's the one I bought:


http://www.tcpglobal.com/autobodydepot/speedblastergate.aspx (http://www.tcpglobal.com/autobodydepot/speedblastergate.aspx)


Except mine is the red one and I got it from JCWhitney years ago. Only holds about 1 pound of sand which makes for frequent re-fills.......
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Post by: crazypj on Aug 15, 2011, 12:22:06
Thanks for all the replies.
I have one of the small gravity feed blasters from Harbor Freight, use it for cleaning cylinders.
 Compressor isn't really big enough though, or nozzle is too big? (what pressure does everyone use?)
 It also makes a lot of mess/dust s I don't have any sort of cabinet  ;D
 I'll have to try it on rust and see what happens
 I think I'll get one of the cup brushes and give up on chemical stripping until weather cools down
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Post by: 11400MilesAway on Aug 26, 2011, 15:22:13
just read the whole thread..and got some great tips and ideas..thanks crazypj and the videos were awesome!!  8)
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Post by: schaubster on Sep 12, 2011, 18:28:24
man, this is one nice bike!
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Post by: crazypj on Sep 28, 2011, 13:37:59
Did a little bit yesterday, found all the engine mounting plates, stripped paint, primed and painted them.
 Still don't have frame fully stripped, going to weld a brace in where it flexes most (probably today, painkillers will be working properly in about 30 mins  ;) )
  Saw a picture of 1973 MV Augusta 500cc 3 cylinder.
 It was 'last' four stroke to win 500 GP
 Really liked the colour scheme.
  I'm going with 'too much red'  ;D
  Bought red vinyl for seat, just hope I don't F*** U* making it
  I'll need to get some white Honda wings or maybe plain white 'H'  as seen in the Honda/Matchless thread (the 'last one in circle)
 http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0)
 (about halfway down page 1)
 Here's Wiki link for Pic of Agostini's 500
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1973_500_tre_Cilindrica_Corsa_Ago_bike.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1973_500_tre_Cilindrica_Corsa_Ago_bike.jpg)
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Post by: JRK5892 on Sep 28, 2011, 13:41:01
looking forward to pics bud! loving it so far!
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Post by: JRK5892 on Sep 28, 2011, 13:46:19
what i would do if your compressor does not have the CFM to push your pot blaster on the frame is get some aircraft stripper, and a few cans of non clorinated brake cleaner, and engine cleaner... hell i do this in the shop still before putting it in the strip tank... use the engine cleaner all over the frame, this will get rid of all that gunk build up... then on the tough spots hit it with the brake cleaner... non clorine leaves 0 residue, works great... after it is all done, use some spray air craft stripper, let it go to work, then go after the tough spots with a scraper... then hose off... next move on to the wire wheels if your blaster will not push... one thing to check on your comrpessor to blaster is the hoses, small hoses will not allow enough CFM to build up and push out... wire wheels work fine but toss shit everywhere... hope that helps!
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Post by: crazypj on Sep 28, 2011, 14:59:59
Cool, I'm going to go do some stuff  8)
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Post by: bananaclip on Sep 28, 2011, 15:45:50
Damn Pj, you build some nice stuff man!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 28, 2011, 21:22:52
Welded a brace in frame where it flexes most.
 Found the top tubes were a lot thinner than expected, probably rust inside around weld?
 I let it 'burn back' to solid metal then filled it in.
 Ended up about 3/4" by 1/2" on right side and 1/2"by 1/4" on left.
 Forgot to take any pics of it and now it's fixed, it's fixed  ;D
I used 2"x1" mild steel box section.
While I had welder out I also seam welded the top and bottom flanges of the pressed steel front section
Anyway, here's some pics.
The brace welded in
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Framebrace-fromthefront.jpg)

The frame, showing wher the problem area's are
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360frame-problemarea.jpg)

Top and bottom flanges welded
It doesn't do an awful lot as frame can still flex on the bends, but, it will be better than stock
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Weldedflanges.jpg)


Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 28, 2011, 21:31:35
I saw a thread a while ago (can't remember when or where) where a guy took a grinder to the pressed steel sections on the top and bottom of the frame where the tank usually sits.  I've inferred by your additional welding in those areas that this was probably a very bad idea.  Correct?
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Post by: crazypj on Sep 28, 2011, 21:48:44
Nope, the proper way to do it would be grind flat and weld plate into gap, in effect making it a true 'tube' section
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Post by: crazypj on Oct 20, 2011, 21:24:58
OK, can't leave well enough alone  ::) ;D
Got CB450 front wheel as it's a bigger drum than 360
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB450.jpg)
 
It's getting THIS when after I get it stripped down and cleaned up

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Borrani.jpg)

Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: nateridesbikes on Oct 20, 2011, 21:29:30
is the 450 rim the same width as the 360?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 21, 2011, 13:53:36
450 rim is wider than stock 360 front rim
It's same width as 360 rear rim
I fitted 360 rear to front of Brendon's bike and XS650 rear rim to rear so he has WM2 front and WM3 rear.
 Said it has noticeably improved handling
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: bdn3d on Oct 21, 2011, 15:08:47
I definitely recommend making this change, I run avon tires and we are starting to see the wear line rise on the tires, which is a big indicator on how much better it is handeling. I feel and notice a difference!
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Post by: crazypj on Oct 21, 2011, 19:35:37
ashdricky PM'ed me about RFY shock mods.
 I pulled one out and 2 mins later had this - 'P J' shocks.Quick run round with Dremel 'painted with a sharpie
 I will do it properly now I know it works  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/PJShock.jpg)
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Post by: hillsy on Oct 22, 2011, 03:41:49
Haha - that's putting your mark on it for sure  ;D


Nice work  ;)
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Post by: JRK5892 on Oct 24, 2011, 13:14:46
hahahah cool idea man
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 02, 2011, 19:00:03
Even with painkillers I couldn't sleep last night so I did something 'useful' between 4:00am and 6:15am  ::)
Drew out a pattern on a 360 rotor few months ago but never got any further with it.
Made a mandrel to center rotor center punched a pattern I liked then center drilled a row of holes.
Drilled them out to 1/4" relocated drill table and drilled the next circle.
 While I was at it I drilled mounting with 1/2" holes and did a circle of 1'4" on the disc/carrier mounting flange
Doesn't seem to have removed much weight and definitely looks a bit 'different' (it looked 'better' when I drew pattern with Sharpie  ;D )
Anyway, here's pics
The 'outside'
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360rotor-frontview.jpg)
The 'inside' (nearest spokes)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360rotor-rearview.jpg)

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Post by: JRK5892 on Nov 02, 2011, 19:06:18
man that sucks you are in thatmuch pain brother, i feel for you man... have to say, that is an off the wall pattern. i am trying to see the pattern to be honest. looks holey :)
when you drll these you using a cobalt bit or what? i keep seeing allt hese guys doing it but not sure how you are drilling htem out
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 02, 2011, 23:52:45
I don't go through all that nonsense, just use high speed steel, low speed and 'enough' pressure.
The center drills are Harbor Freight specials, the 1/4" is a  Dewalt Ti coated
 I think drill is set at around 250~300rpm (haven't looked at it for years)
 Stainless work hardens really quick if you back off pressure or have drill bit spinning too fast
 As for pressure, that's an experience/practice thing
 The 'pattern' is a 'nul' pattern
If you imagine some swirly diagonal lines it may show up?  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil (and eventually, just EVIL)
Post by: JRK5892 on Nov 03, 2011, 11:16:11
alright i can see it!!! very nice man!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Nov 24, 2011, 16:12:28
Did some more pointless dumb stuff
I fitted a grease nipple to pivot as I know they seize up and I know this fixed the problem
Also decided I didn't like the steps between parts and seams so smoothed things off a bit
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Calipermod2.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Calipermod3-1.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Modifiedcaliper.jpg)
 Going to finish cleaning and re-finish with caliper paint, maybe more red  ;D
Probably going to modify fluid inlet for a banjo bolt and stainless line

October 2014
Finally found the time (and pictures  ;D )  to replace the images Photobucket moved when they 'upgraded' and messed everything up
 
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Post by: diesel450 on Nov 25, 2011, 11:47:44
Good idea on that grease fitting. I might nick that one for all my Honda's !
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Post by: crazypj on Nov 29, 2011, 20:20:03
Got something almost finished today.
 Been a bit down with all the issues so wanted to do something I could start and finish
 As you all know, I'm slowly working on 3 CB360's and a couple of XS650's.
Stripped a 360 front wheel this afternoon, machined the 'fins' off then shined it up a bit.
Took  lot longer to polish the spokes but they is now 'Shiny'  ;D
 Built wheel with new alloy MX rim.
Machined hub looks different, I'm building a 'Street-tracker style' bike
Here's some pics.
Completely stock

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/360hub1.jpg)

Machined and shined

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/360hub2.jpg)

Hub in built wheel

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/360-newwheel3.jpg)

Complete wheel.

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/360-newwheel2.jpg)

I'm going to make an alloy bearing spacer, just because I can  ;D
 I just took some thinners to the 'Pro-Racing' screen print on edge of rim
It's gone  8)
 Forgot to mention, the rims are WM3 instead of stock WM1 & WM2
Not something I usually do or recommend, but, I'm going to run oversize 'trail' style tyres, probably 3.50 front and a 4.00 rear (or maybe a 4.10?  ;) )
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Post by: Erskine on Nov 29, 2011, 20:27:36
Wtf!
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Post by: JustinLonghorn on Nov 29, 2011, 20:51:32
Rad, man!
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Post by: cafePete on Nov 29, 2011, 20:55:44
looks great!  :D
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Post by: sxecafe on Nov 29, 2011, 21:06:00
Whoa!
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Post by: RGRH on Nov 30, 2011, 22:52:47
SO SWEET PJ!  Now I've gotta get working on mine! 
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Dec 10, 2011, 18:27:06
Worked on frame and got it primered.
 Didn't like various bits of weld spatter and some of the welds so ended up re-doing a lot of stuff.
 All welds around side stand are now smoothed off and the lumps are now 'fillets', all the high spots got ground off and all the spatter is removed.
 Sidestand mount got some re-profiling  so edges are now slightly radiused and all the engine mounts got sharp cut edges de-burred
 Then, I thought, what the heck and ran some body filler around  some of the welds to smooth things out further.
 Probably 95% will be sanded off, but, it does make a difference to finished 'product'
 Good chance 99.9% of people who see it would never know or care, I know though  ;D
Here's pics from 30 mins ago
sidestand, 'outside'
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Sidestand2.jpg)
Sidestand 'inside (I know, no one will ever see it)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Sidestand1.jpg)
 Filler around steering head
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Frame2.jpg)
Filler around brake pedal mount, lower engine rear mount and swing arm mounting
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Frame1.jpg)
 I'm going to start sanding  ::)
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Post by: JRK5892 on Dec 10, 2011, 18:38:12
keep the pics coming love how clena the hub is you went with
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Dec 10, 2011, 18:41:45
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/360hub2.jpg)

PJ that's awesome! Are the fins required or not? What's the process for machining them?
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Post by: Swagger on Dec 10, 2011, 20:33:52
If you raise you spindle speed, lower your table feed and lubricated with wd40 you can get rid of those last visible grooves on the inner surface.
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 10, 2011, 23:15:26
Neevo,
I had wheel bearing out and chucked it in lathe with a center
Some castings are better than others and finish nicer.
I don't have power feed  so had to do it by hand feed.
 Machine isn't particularly rigid, I need a bigger lathe  ;D (and somewhere to put it  ;) )
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Dec 11, 2011, 01:17:15
Well it looks fantastic PJ. Not particularly pleased you put this up as I am now going to have to find someone to machine mine here in Sydney ;)
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 13, 2011, 00:21:27
Should be able to find someone to do it relatively cheap, it's a pretty simple job.
 I removed the bearing opposite the retainer, removed grease seal and opened 3 jaw chuck into bearing housing.
Center on bearing still in hub and carve away.
Hardest part was getting even radius on a high speed steel tool bit.
I made a lever arm with a nylon wheel to mount onto dial test indicator (DTI)
I didn't want to put steel tip of DTI directly onto anodised rim in case it got scratched up.

I need to make a second lever arm, it's a PITA swapping from up/down to side/side.
Because of leverage ratio it measures about 0.00075" instead of 0.001" so it's really about 10 thousandths up/down and 10 thou side/side.
 There are 'ripples' on rim plus a slight flat/bump where it's welded together
 Got a rusty old swing arm clamped in vice with a piece of steel angle to mount magnetic base/DTI
 Took a couple of vids (less than 20 sec)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGDyObEq4Ao&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46OYw5fbJQ&feature=bf_prev&list=ULFGDyObEq4Ao&lf=mfu_in_order

Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Big Rich on Dec 13, 2011, 08:38:29
That's a really good idea PJ. I would have been tempted to just put a long section of tape on the wheel to prevent scratches......
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Post by: Swagger on Dec 13, 2011, 13:19:27
Nifty rig!
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Post by: stonenck on Dec 13, 2011, 15:35:43
awesome!
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Post by: metropolitanhighrise on Dec 27, 2011, 23:36:39
Looking great PJ.  I started my build a couple weeks ago.  How did the lowered front forks work out?  I'd love any info!   
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 29, 2011, 12:15:44
Tyres turned up for the 'blue' wheels' yesterday  ;D
They are the biggest tyres I've ever even thought about fitting to a 360, 4.10 front and a 4.60 rear  :o :o
 The WM 3 rims are OK for that size, even though rear is close to it's limit
Here's pics, including original 3.00 front for comparison, 4.10 doesn't look too much wider

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/NewTyres-1.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/NewTyres-2.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/NewTyres-3.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/NewTyres-comparison.jpg)
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Post by: Ringo on Dec 29, 2011, 17:57:22
Nice! Those would be perfect for my little 200 (albeit maybe a hair smaller...)

What tires are those, PJ?
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Post by: Swagger on Dec 29, 2011, 20:14:17
Cool! When did you decide to do an all-road version PJ?
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 29, 2011, 21:20:57
It's the third one I'm doing, probably should have it in tracker section but couldn't be bothered to start a new thread
It's going to be 'flat-trakie stylee'  not going to run front fender, already have 'heavy duty' fork brace made  ;)
 I won't be able to ride cafe' for months after surgery ;D (plus cafe is in pieces for paint and 'pretty'  ::) )
 It may well be this time next year before I'm 100%, still don't have any decision about my back but insurance have OK'd elbow and shoulder surgery (elbow,3rd Jan 2012, shoulder- don't know, probably about month~ 6 weeks later?)
 Tyres are Bridgestone copies, Chapperal motorsports,  e-bay ($100.75 for pair and a tube)
 Free shipping over $100.00, I got a tube, they did me a 'deal' to get it total over $100 (would have been $113.?? separately for tyres with shipping)
 Always pays to check for stuff people don't advertise  ;)
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Post by: Ringo on Dec 30, 2011, 03:36:14
Thanks for the tire info, that's my kind of price :)

Best of luck with the surgery!
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Post by: DP9 on Dec 30, 2011, 04:30:46
PJ, I really hope you get through all this ok.  i hate to sound like a downer but someone with your knowledge and passion for the sport of riding needs to be able to ride.  I'm pullin' for ya man, as im sure everyone else is.  keep us updated on how you're doin' post op.  we care.
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Post by: Maritime on Dec 30, 2011, 09:14:19
PJ, I really hope you get through all this ok.  i hate to sound like a downer but someone with your knowledge and passion for the sport of riding needs to be able to ride.  I'm pullin' for ya man, as im sure everyone else is.  keep us updated on how you're doin' post op.  we care.

+1  Get better and get riding!
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Post by: Swagger on Dec 30, 2011, 13:22:55
/\...what they said.../\

Hang in there Amigo!
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Post by: StreetSpirit on Jan 04, 2012, 15:56:23
Hey man, incredibly inspiring thread.  Starting to do some more involved builds myself, and I rather like the look of the cheapo piggyback shocks you reworked.  I'm thinking about getting a set and putting some decent fluid in them and maybe doing some shim tuning for my cb550.  Just wondering if you have suggestions for getting them full of fluid without machining a bleed port and whether you've had enough ride time on them to assess the durability of the seals and all that? 
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 04, 2012, 19:25:28
Bleed port is easiest thing to do.
It's possible to re-fill them and get all the air out, I just wanted something even easier as I wasn't sure if I would have them apart more than once to try different oil
 Seals seem OK, done a few hundred miles and using full travel without knowing so they work good
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Post by: quangalang on Jan 06, 2012, 03:39:52
nice build so far!
i just got a pair of Pro-wheel rims too, did you use the stock spokes and nipples? the nipple holes on the rims seem too big..
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 06, 2012, 14:27:43
nice build so far!
i just got a pair of Pro-wheel rims too, did you use the stock spokes and nipples? the nipple holes on the rims seem too big..

Yep, holes are too big but I used stock spokes and nipples.
 I made set of cup washers, (there's a pic at beginning somewhere page 5~6?)
I bought doming block set ($40.00) and used flat brass washers.
I made a set to use Taiwan spokes in MX rim, it was a PITA to file out the holes so I made a fixture for 'blue' wheels
 If you need washers I can make you a set but it won't be until February.
 I can do set for about $32.50 including shipping
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Post by: quangalang on Jan 06, 2012, 22:05:59
Yep, holes are too big but I used stock spokes and nipples.
 I made set of cup washers, (there's a pic at beginning somewhere page 5~6?)
I bought doming block set ($40.00) and used flat brass washers.
I made a set to use Taiwan spokes in MX rim, it was a PITA to file out the holes so I made a fixture for 'blue' wheels
 If you need washers I can make you a set but it won't be until February.
 I can do set for about $32.50 including shipping
aww darn.. more work.  :(
thanks for the offer i think i can handle it myself.
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 07, 2012, 19:58:35
No problem, have fun.
 You need 8 ten packs of #10 washers to modify
 I was in Home Depot couple of days before surgery and got some 'Liquid Tape'
It's a bit too thick to work on lever ends without thinning slightly so it 'runs' better
 Did a few levers for SAG.

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Levers-1.jpg)
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Post by: Rocan on Jan 08, 2012, 00:27:27
No problem, have fun.
 You need 8 ten packs of #10 washers to modify
 I was in Home Depot couple of days before surgery and got some 'Liquid Tape'
It's a bit too thick to work on lever ends without thinning slightly so it 'runs' better
 Did a few levers for SAG.

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Levers-1.jpg)


BASTARD! the rubber dipping is my trick!

though I do the whole handle... nice and grippy.
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 08, 2012, 02:59:10
I'm getting Blue for the 'Blue bike.  ;D
 Plasti-dip spray doesn't work, not sure about Plasti-dip the dipping stuff?
 BDN tried it, peeled off first time out
 Liquid tape seems a different finish?
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Post by: Rocan on Jan 08, 2012, 03:22:18
ive used the Plasti-Dip and its held up.

I clean surface throughly first as if prepping for paint, then dip on a thin first coat, let it dry thoroughly, and gradually build up the layers, sanding lightly inbetween till i get the desired thickness.

I used that method on some needle nose pliars YEARS ago and they held up real good. On my bmx bike the plasti dipped handle held up really well until a long scraping on some concrete ripped it apart, and it came off. mostly as a result of it being applied on a smooth painted surface, instead of something with a little more "bite"
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 08, 2012, 13:00:02
That's good to know, did you thin the PlastiDip?
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Post by: mekov on Jan 12, 2012, 13:50:16
Hey guys need a little help. Is it possibile to change the spark plug wire in the coild for the cb360. Or over all is it just easier to replace it. Has anyone used pamco if not what products do you like.

Mark
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 12, 2012, 14:01:33
This aint the right place to put that question but yes it is possible
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=17310.0
http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?s=0152c5ed8c5557527d305c4e7aa82683&threadid=137 (http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?s=0152c5ed8c5557527d305c4e7aa82683&threadid=137)
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Post by: Swagger on Jan 12, 2012, 20:09:22
Hey PJ,
first...hope the claw is getting closer to good, what a crap pride you've been on there.

What did you mean when you said plastidip spray doesn't work? What problem did you have?
I've used it a little previously and had decent results on hand tools and of all things a set of engine hoses ( customer bike, I was paid too much money to NOT) and it came out ok. Is it just on levers or elsewhere that you had problems?
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Post by: Sonreir on Jan 12, 2012, 20:12:55
I used plastidip on my springs.  :D
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 12, 2012, 20:23:36
It was on levers, not mine and possibly not roughed up or cleaned well enough.
 Seemed a bit too much like wrapping a busted balloon around lever.
 The dip is thicker than the spray
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Swagger on Jan 12, 2012, 20:26:46
HAHAH...busted balloon.....
Yeah it definitely takes more than one application from a rattle can. For quick build-up dip is surely the way to go.
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Jan 14, 2012, 22:57:05
PJ, question on the hub turning. Front looks relatively easy however my rear has a stepped down section on one of the fins. Any ideas how this could be turned?

Also any thoughts in whether this would affect the hub strength?

Pic:

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh270/edneeves/99a531c4.jpg)

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh270/edneeves/842c03a1.jpg)
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 14, 2012, 23:57:45
I wouldn't remove the 'fins' on a rear drum but I have removed the ribs between them (pages 5 & 6)
 There isn't any way to make the hub 'look good' (except mine  ;) )
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Jan 15, 2012, 00:47:34
I wouldn't remove the 'fins' on a rear drum but I have removed the ribs between them (pages 5 & 6)
 There isn't any way to make the hub 'look good' (except mine  ;) )

That's what I meant PJ, the cross sections and round smaller fins in the hub centre. I was keen to mill these down in the front and rear like you have done. Are there any concerns with affecting hub strength?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 15, 2012, 00:59:08
Removing the cross piece shouldn't cause any problems and is real easy to do with a small round file (or 3/16" burr in Dremel)
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Jan 15, 2012, 04:38:40
What's the problem with smoothing out the centre on the rear like you did on the front PJ?
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 15, 2012, 05:48:23
Drum brake, it gets hot and expands/contracts.
 Don't know if it would weaken enough to fail but I'm afraid to find out  ;)
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Jan 15, 2012, 07:47:23
Fair enough, might leave that one alone then.
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Post by: crazypj on Jan 22, 2012, 23:13:48
Well, I can't do much but I can supervise Brendon working on his bike.
He fitted new fork gaiters, drilled disc and modified sprocket cover/lifter mech.
While front end was apart, un-seized brake pivot and painted fork lowers gloss black (I did get to do the rattlecan with appliance epoxy  8) )
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendonworking.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN4637.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN4638.jpg)

Also, a picture of modified exhaust
 GP end can to extend it and an internal baffle to reduce diameter to 1-1/2"
It may look a bit funky but longer pipe works amazingly well (plus, it's the only one of these I've ever seen)
It's a lot quieter and MUCH faster (with K&N +modified carbs)
STOCK engine is pulling an indicated 105 and still slowly building speed (rearset next?)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN4635.jpg)

 Here is today's 'finished product'  seat is going to be done properly and clip-on's under yoke when rear-sets get fitted
Fender is going to be painted sometime, (next time he gets fired up to modify things  ;D )
I think red to match tank?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons360.jpg)
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Post by: Tetter on Jan 23, 2012, 14:17:47
Great looking exhaust !
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Post by: Ringo on Jan 23, 2012, 14:39:44
Hey! I didn't know it was you guys I sent the Harris can to!  Glad to see you were able to make it work; I'd love to hear how it sounds.
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Post by: bdn3d on Jan 23, 2012, 17:41:54
Hey! I didn't know it was you guys I sent the Harris can to!  Glad to see you were able to make it work; I'd love to hear how it sounds.

Hey Chris... Tis I with the Harris can.  see this video for sound.

http://vimeo.com/31178881  (excuse the camera angle, user error/ dumb iphone)




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Post by: Ringo on Jan 23, 2012, 18:57:30
That sounds great.  Funny how even though you're using it on a twin, it's got some of the same tones as on my I4.  I can definitely tell we're using the same can.  This was just after installing the new one ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e32Pt-tKhmI&context=C3022279ADOEgsToPDskJBjuzmTI5BnJfXge6kRc0U





Sorry for the hijack, PJ!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: JRK5892 on Jan 23, 2012, 19:02:37
wow that looks and sounds great!!!
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Post by: Tetter on Jan 24, 2012, 10:44:08
Hear no Evil ???
Great sound ....  a Harris you say...

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Post by: crazypj on Jan 24, 2012, 11:20:52
Yep, thanks to Ringo.
 I knew it was someone on here who sent it to Brendon, just couldn't remember who
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: DP9 on Jan 24, 2012, 12:39:45
great sound.  so i looked up harris and what i found looked similar, but the price was like $400 for that little fucking can!!!!!  am i looking at the right thing?? 
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: bdn3d on Jan 24, 2012, 12:58:23
http://youtu.be/uKQcY0723ZM

maybe this one want vanish
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: bdn3d on Jan 24, 2012, 13:01:10
great sound.  so i looked up harris and what i found looked similar, but the price was like $400 for that little fucking can!!!!!  am i looking at the right thing?? 

yep thats it... they are pricey. Thanks to Ringo though I got mine second hand, long story but price was not an issue. Thanks again Ringo!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 24, 2012, 13:11:56
vimeo video is there now? (weird  :o )
 The motor is a lot quieter than the video makes it sound, there isn't anything like that much tappet noise.
 I guess it's a frequency that video camera's pick up as lots of engine/exhaust video's have same effect?  :-\
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Swagger on Jan 24, 2012, 20:32:04
Yup, that's it exactly PJ....piezo mics used in phones and inexpensive voice recorders and such are biased (by nature of their design) for human speech, being roughly between 300-3000Hz. This is also where the ear is most sensitive so you're getting a double hit.

I never judge engine noise by video....that 360 sounds too crisp to suffer that much valve lash.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Feb 08, 2012, 23:40:04
Slowly moving on, afraid to use left arm until doc says it's OK, been way too long already.
Got frame etch primer and white primer, shows every little fault and problem  :(
Going to have to rub various area's down and do over
I also ordered some trick stuff today, should be here in a week or so, you'll like it  ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Frame-primer1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Frame-primer2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Feb 11, 2012, 18:47:46
Was going to post in 'latest purchase' but as it's for 360 though I may as well put it here. (I'll post there as well as not so many people look at build threads
 Got some 3/4" vents to fit into rear brake plate.
 I've had a hell of a job finding them and they are quite expensive ($1.65 EACH  :o )
I cant count, they are $0.68 each  ::)
Fit into an 5/8"~ 11/16" hole 9/16" and file or 'polish' with Dremel, only needs a few thou.
 I had to buy a lot more than I actually need (minimum order, $75.00, plus shipping :( )
If anyone wants a few you can have for same price I paid, plus whatever postage is going to cost ($2.80 with tracking in 48 and about $1.20 for a bubble mailer)
Not fitted yet, just place in rough position to see effect, I'll mark and drill soon, going to clean and paint or polish  brake plates
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Vents.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: dcmspikes on Feb 12, 2012, 13:21:06
those should look great.  good find
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Ringo on Feb 12, 2012, 13:31:26
I'll take some off your hands, PJ.  Paypal?  If so PM me your email, sir!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Feb 12, 2012, 22:15:49
Just drilled the brake plate
To be fully functional, the vents needed moving in slightly.
 Made some measurements, needs 9/16" hole, then 'polished' to size with Dremel
 There is plenty of material to swage I'll probably just bend a couple of positions though
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Ventsinside-1.jpg)
 
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Ventsinside-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: yawlright on Feb 13, 2012, 13:05:17
Those vents are pretty cool, too bad I already drilled and filed my holes to a different size.  Might buy several for another project though.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Feb 13, 2012, 18:10:00
Brake plate black, brass vents fitted.
 I don't know why brake plate looks damaged and matte in center, it's real shiny gloss?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Ventedbrakeplate-done.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Ringo on Feb 14, 2012, 00:48:26
Weird...?  Looks sharp though, especially with the brass.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: The Red Wonder on Feb 14, 2012, 01:21:19
If anyone wants a few you can have for same price I paid, plus whatever postage is going to cost ($2.80 with tracking in 48 and about $1.20 for a bubble mailer)
Not fitted yet, just place in rough position to see effect, I'll mark and drill soon, going to clean and paint or polish  brake plates

Hey PJ! Sign me up for a set of those! Message me details and I will send some cash over, thanks!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Feb 16, 2012, 01:16:56
If anyone wants 4 vents, it works out at $7.40  :o
 postage and Paypal bumps price up a lot
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Feb 19, 2012, 00:29:02
On the bike (Brendon's  ;) )
Painted the brake arm, wear indicator and the end of the brake cam so it all black
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brakeplate-fitted-1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brakeplate-fitted-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360- No Evil
Post by: MikeyG on Feb 21, 2012, 05:30:20
Got the forks finished, (except for removing fingerprints  ;D)
 New seals, new oil.
 Finished headlight brackets, all polished up.
 Bought a new headlight, swapped out 60/55 bulb for a 35/35 H4.
 Here's a quick pic, yes, it has LED ring  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/NewHeadlight1.jpg)

Loving the build.

I heven't read all the way through yet so sorry if you have already answered this buy why go for the lower power 35/35W bulb?  Will the alternator not give enough power to run a 60/55W or are there other reasons?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Ringo on Feb 21, 2012, 13:55:16
Yep, stock bulb is 35w (I believe), so when people swap to a 55w H4 bulb they have charging issues.  35w H4 keeps the charging system happy.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Feb 21, 2012, 14:58:05
Brendon hasn't had any problems with a 60/55 but he does keep it revving a bit  ;)
 I tend to use lower rpm most of the time so I'm sticking with 35/35, it's still way brighter than stock incandescent 35w bulb
45w H4 are now available so when the 35w fails I'll 'upgrade'  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Ringo on Feb 21, 2012, 15:17:38
I didn't know there are 45w bulbs now. I'll be looking into that too when the time comes!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Mar 13, 2012, 16:18:41
Got stepdaughters boyfriend to help me fit wheel into forks.
Two minute job took about 30 mins  ::) sucks still having bad arm  :(
Anyway, it's a 'good' fit with a way oversize tyre, about 1/4" each side and I'll have the cross piece at least 1/@ above tyre (maybe 5/8"~3/4"?)
4.10x18 Trail tyre probably wasn't smart, even with wider rim  ;D (4.60 rear is also huge  :o )
Street tyres would have had less tread depth and be physically smaller  8)
Going to get mill set up to clearance the fork brace and then run without fender
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Front-1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Front-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Erskine on Mar 13, 2012, 16:43:37
That's a chubby tyre to say the least!
:)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Swagger on Mar 14, 2012, 14:44:13
Wasn't there a huge blow up about massively oversized tires being unsafe and foolish?  ???

Looks cool, think 1/4" is enough room? I guess you'll know pretty quick if it rubs.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Mar 14, 2012, 15:12:46
Yep  ;D
But, that was mainly because people were fitting them to stock 1.60 rims
I have a WM3 2.15 rim on this, plus, it isn't going to be a cafe racer so I won't be pushing it into bends at high speeds
The tyre is 'sized' as 4.10 but really is a bit narrower (3.70" to outside of fitted carcass, 0.040" wider if I measure over the lettering)
The 4.60 I have for the rear is also 'undersize' (3.80")
Even measuring to the outside of the tread blocks on front it only gets to 4.00"
I just measured the clearance either side to fork legs, it's actually 0.300" which should be more than plenty on the sides particularly as tyre 'growth' tends to pull sides inwards
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Swagger on Mar 14, 2012, 15:39:03
HA! Are you planning any wacky suspension mods or more of an all purpose scrambler?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Mar 14, 2012, 16:03:08
Not 'planning' any suspension mods, but, as I get into it I have no idea what will happen  ;D
The blue GSXR forks are looking 'lonely'  ;)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Erskine on Mar 15, 2012, 08:52:16
I bet you wish you had some mountain fire roads to wang this puppy around! ;)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Sonreir on Apr 02, 2012, 20:38:19
pj,

Quick question about those eBay gas shocks...

How do they compare to stock?  How do you think they'd fare versus something like Hagons?  Is/was the savings worth it?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Apr 02, 2012, 21:53:55
I know most people use them directly 'out of the box' but I wouldn't use them until they were re-built.
They work, but not as well as they could.
 After new oil and gas, they are definitely worth the price and work about as well as any shocks I've used, even MUCH more expensive (better than a lot of shocks I've used  ;D )
 I guess a re-built/modified set would be worth about $220~$250 but you can get known names for that price and not have to work on them (I don't know if quality control has improved in last year or so?)
If you can do the re-build, get them
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: yawlright on Apr 04, 2012, 12:48:53
Chiming in on the rebuild of the gas shocks, I agree with PJ here. The shock come assembled poorly with little to no pressure in the air bladders and air in the main body with cruddy shock oil.  After my rebuild the shocks work very well with good damping.  I am still jealous of your the clevis bodys you made PJ. far more rugged than stock.  Anyway, if you purchase them I recommend the bleeder mod at least and rebuild with new oil.  It took about twice the oil that came out ... ish. ~200ml in, 100ml out, for each shock.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: yawlright on Apr 04, 2012, 12:53:43
I want to try these for my next build. 
http://www.akunar.com/SUSPENSION.htm trusty twin rear  :o  68$ +30$ ship i think

Here is some info they emailed to me:
Dear Eric,
 
They are available at a 300 eye to eye top mount 10mm (Male) and clevis (Female) 8mm or 340 eye to eye Male top10 mm and male bottom 10mm.
The models are discontinuing soon so if you have a color in mind let me know as I will have to double check to see whats still in stock or available.
 
Kind Regards
 
Ranuka Davis
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 03, 2012, 19:29:58
Made some parts, speedo drive 'eliminator'  ;)
There is a recess in the back for extra clearance/weight reduction and 0.010" removed from outside so it doesn't rub on hub

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Speedoeliminator-1.jpg)

Remove the drive flange and chrome plate

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Speedoeliminator-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Erskine on May 03, 2012, 20:05:27
You have way too much time on your hands! ;)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: dcmspikes on May 03, 2012, 21:28:09
/\  +1        and you spend it so well.  why not drill holes through for more weight savings?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 03, 2012, 23:32:03
You have way too much time on your hands! ;)

/\  +1        and you spend it so well.  why not drill holes through for more weight savings?

Being unemployed does that.

Drilling holes would defeat the purpose of having a cover over the bearing, plus, would add a bunch to cost when someone wants one
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Erskine on May 04, 2012, 05:59:47
Being unemployed does that.


Yup. Tell me about it!
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on May 04, 2012, 06:12:18
Made some parts, speedo drive 'eliminator'  ;)
There is a recess in the back for extra clearance/weight reduction and 0.010" removed from outside so it doesn't rub on hub

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Speedoeliminator-1.jpg)

Oooooooooooooooooh! PJ.

Don't wanna add one of them to the list do you?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: dcmspikes on May 04, 2012, 11:06:59

Drilling holes would defeat the purpose of having a cover over the bearing,

i had a feeling you were going to say that. 
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Nasty N8 on May 07, 2012, 00:05:04
Your makin parts again? Awesome headlight brackets starter block... I want!! You build awesome parts
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2012, 12:04:38
Haven't done any headlight brackets since last year, been thinking about it though as I need some for my bikes
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: MGD on May 07, 2012, 12:57:36
I knew some one else, if not many more, would want a speedo delete.

thanks for taking the time to research and develop a really cool part.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2012, 15:06:56
I ordered some 2-1/2" bar to make some, should be here Monday next week
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 15, 2012, 02:42:56
The bar is here  8)
Made speedo removal spacer so you can dump the drive mechanism if your using electronic speedo or it isn't a requirement where you live
It goes from this
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Speedoeliminator-2.jpg)
to this
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Speedoeliminator-1.jpg)
to this when it's shined up
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Speedospacer-2.jpg)
and this is how it looks with CBR600 disc
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Neevo20.jpg)
The shiny one is a spare if anyone want's it cheap?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 15, 2012, 14:32:42
Ho Hum, tried making a mold today, first time I've used fiberglass for a few years
Total disaster  :o
Forgot to take into account, Florida is REALLY warm, local news says temp is 83 degrees. (Last time I did glass it was 'winter', upper 50's)
anyway, catalyst should have given me 15 mins working time, nope, about 3 mins, maybe less
At least its going to be rock hard really quick  ::)
I'll try less than minimum catalyst and hope it cures
back to the drawing board  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: MGD on May 15, 2012, 16:01:47
Also try to minimize your UV exposure, keep it out of direct sunlight until you are ready for it to cure.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 17, 2012, 02:41:53
Tried again today, it rained almost all day but I'm under cover so that wasn't a problem (strung up a blue tarp  ;) )
Well, using less catalyst would probably work if it was as hot as yesterday, much cooler and high humidity. resin wasn't cured when I checked, about 7 hrs 'cure time'
Hopefully sun will be out tomorrow, I'll leave mold in the open to harden
Good job this is only practice run
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on May 23, 2012, 11:16:04
OK, the weather cleared up, it got HOT.
Used about 1/3 of the recommended amount of catalyst and got much better results, reasonable working time so mat would 'wet out' properly.
 I'm real busy fixing stuff up for wife next few days, she has some friends 'visiting'  so cleaning is in order. ::)
I'm modifying steering stem for Neevo to fit GSX-R forks to his 350/400f so thought I may as well do the blue ones I've had licking around for a while (page 3~5?)
I'm going to fit them to the 'Brat-tracker' thing I'm building with the blue wheels
Buying some quite expensive dies, shortening stem and cutting new threads (my lathes are too small and don't do metric threads so I can't do things that way)
Here's a pic
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Ed-GSX-Rforks.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Nasty N8 on May 26, 2012, 22:30:24
Damnit now you have me looking for GSXR's forks for mine.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jun 15, 2012, 01:24:40
Here's the latest little 'jem' I've come up with to make throttle plate adjustment easier, quicker and just generally 'better'  ;)
Basically, curved the washers ('domed' really)
I've been making brass washers to fit under spoke nipples and wondered if it would be an improvement for the carb adjuster screw - it is  8)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Carburettors/Brad2.jpg)
 Here's pic of where it fits, this one isn't assembled correctly, the washers go either side of the adjuster
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Carburettors/Shawn-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: trek97 on Jun 15, 2012, 07:38:00
yes, cause I remember that little thing sucks! I think even in Honda manual, its not real clear, it might show both washers on one side.  cant be sure its been a while.  But putting that together sucks.  your new washer will be much friendlier.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jun 15, 2012, 17:48:03
Had to mke some throttle shaft end plugs, realised I haven't posted pics of them BEFORE fitting
I make them with a hollow inside so it won't rub on end of throttle shaft
made two so here's front and back in one pic
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Carburettors/Throttleshaftendplugs.jpg)

They fit 'hole at about 3 o'clock position
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Carburettors/AZHonda-3.jpg)

Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 15, 2012, 17:49:29
I think you just work on bikes as an excuse to machine stuff.  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Erskine on Jun 15, 2012, 17:57:04
I think you just work on bikes as an excuse to machine stuff.  ;D

+1
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: MGD on Jun 15, 2012, 18:05:04
These caps, do they stop vacuum leaks? What's the purpose of them?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jun 15, 2012, 22:47:21
They seal up the end of throttle shaft, prevent air, dirt and water getting in and causing problems.
Air leak is the biggest problem, can cause all sorts of intermittent running issues (problem doesn't happen all the time, sometimes bike runs good, sometimes runs crappy)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jun 18, 2012, 11:24:41
Decided to get my ass in gear and do rear wheel to match front.
While I was at it, weighed the rims.
All are 18", 36 hole
Stock 360 WM2 steel rim, 6.05lbs
Flanged alloy WM2 rim 3.78lbs
Flanged alloy WM3 rim, 3.88lbs
Moto-cross WM3 rim (no flanges)4.48lbs.
The blue MX rim is noticeably thicker material but I'm still surprised the same size flanged rim is over half pound lighter
 Just weighed a genuine Boranni WM3 x 18 40 hole I'm going to fit to CB450 drum, 3.95lbs
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: pandknz on Jul 06, 2012, 07:39:43
You are simply magic PJ!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: teazer on Jul 06, 2012, 14:47:48
And TZ250 rims made by DID are also lighter than other DID rims. 1.885Kg versus 2.150Kg for a 2.15x18 rim (both flangeless). I didn't weigh the TX750 alloy rim lying under the bench for comparisno.  I'll do that when the heat drops.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: SehnsuchtMotoMan on Jul 19, 2012, 18:51:36
Damn... I just went through all 60 pages of this build and I'm thoroughly jealous!  I wish I had the skill, tools, knowledge and patience that you have!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jul 20, 2012, 03:33:38
Then you would be as messed up as I am  ;D
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Jul 20, 2012, 06:17:40
Then you would be as messed up as I am  ;D

Your sickness is my gain. I shouldn't feed the beast though I suppose, like putting crack in a 99 with a Flake ;)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: 4 stroker on Jul 20, 2012, 09:20:05
hy pj how is the oil mod evolving?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jul 20, 2012, 11:36:43
hy pj how is the oil mod evolving?

Slowly, I did get some copper tube from Pep-Boys a while ago for the external line.
It should be self regulating, when rpm and pressure are low, path of least resistance will be through normal oilways, when rpm and pressure are high (plus oil is hot and thin) the external line will feed through cam
That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it  ;)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: 4 stroker on Jul 21, 2012, 08:29:10
i think it's a great theory to!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 07, 2012, 23:23:18
Finally got my act together today and did some work on 3rd 360
Polished the generator covers (engine cover and outer cover) plus the Suzuki GSXR top and bottom yokes.
They are not finished as I'm going to convert to top mounted handlebar clamps when I can find the bits I stashed about 4 yrs ago
Also did rear hub to build the 'blue wheel' but decided I'm going to paint the center section first
 I pretty much gave up when I realised I couldn't go to Barber  :(
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Big Rich on Oct 08, 2012, 03:48:10
That's a shame PJ. I'm sure if it's because of finances, people would have chipped in to get you tickets and such. It would certainly be an honor to meet you.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 08, 2012, 17:10:33
Guess I'll plan for next year
Something else came up as well, wife has to go to Britain
She's using her student loan to take me with her, if I can get passport sorted out in time.
Both surgeons now have me with 30lbs weight restrictions, no repetetive motion, etc
 Still no money coming in (other than 'hobby cash')
 I'll survive though  8)

Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 09, 2012, 17:44:32
Rear hub polished and painted.
Used Rustoleum blue metallic between spoke flanges
 It's a reasonable match for the forks and rims plus real close to the original Honda blue tank
Have to tidy up the taped edges, should have done it before I took pic  ;D
 Going to give paint a day or so to harden before building wheel
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360rearhub.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: JRK5892 on Oct 09, 2012, 17:47:22
very cool following along i am digging this
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: trek97 on Oct 09, 2012, 22:30:13
Nice bubba
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: MGD on Oct 09, 2012, 23:33:44
Still watching PJ.  I like where you are heading.  Keep it up!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 10, 2012, 19:24:52
Was going to build wheel when I realised I don't have a set of brass spoke nipple washers (sold them to a guy on SOHC4.net)
 Made a set this afternoon, each one takes about 5~7 whacks in doming set but, they are done
 Made this last night, it holds CB360 throttle slide so I can remove the needle holding screw, several of the sets I've re-build have had the screw chewed up, this makes it easy to hold slide in vice without damage and have both hands free
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Carburettors/Carbslideholder_zps6c04efcd.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: trek97 on Oct 10, 2012, 20:19:08
Yes...turning slide into an egg would be a very bad move.  Its about time you start taking these carbs seriously...LOL, sometimes I slay myself.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 11, 2012, 00:18:01
Haven't damaged a slide as I was just holding onto them, spiked myself pretty good with the needle a few times thoughand got fed up with it.
Set I'm doing now had a really chewed up screw, fixed pretty easy when it was out
I have rear wheel built with the 2.15" MX rim, got 2 wheels to true now, going to re-do another rear next week, don't like the black and gold so I'm going to make it match the front, polished alloy with yellow between spoke flanges
Polishing the outside of hubs is a PITA though
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: pandknz on Oct 11, 2012, 05:17:55
PJ, whats the best size to run on a CB360, I have to buy new rims and tires so I might as well get the widest I can

cheers
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 11, 2012, 12:46:55
WM2 or WM3 front, WM3 rear with a 90/90 front and a 110/90 rear tyre
You could possibly use WM4 but you will need to do other mods to use wider tyres (swap forks, etc)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 18, 2012, 15:49:42
Finally got round to making the second roller wheel and holder for DTI so wheel truing is even easier  ;D
 Had a piece of ' useful material' left over from when I made caliper mounts for XS650 (not 'scrap'  ;) )
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Wheeltruinginvention_zps7e1039bc.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 18, 2012, 15:50:57
That's a nice setup.  Sure beats the vice and left over pieces of pipe that I've used in the past.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 18, 2012, 15:55:20
It's a swing arm clamped in vice with a piece of sheet steel bent to allow magnetic bases to 'stick.
I may get round to welding things together one day plus add some feet so vice isn't 'tied up'
 The other wheel pics/vids are several pages back
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Oct 31, 2012, 22:22:36
Really glad I came to Britain, feeling more motivated to get back to Florida and do some stuff on bikes than I've felt in last few years.
Spent  a few hours with various friends I haven't seen in 9yrs + (up to 20 yrs in one case)
Dean now has shop with 2 Bridgeport's, Colchester 2000 lathe and a bunch of other machinery (plus Dynojet dyno)
Called in for 10 mins, left about 5 hrs later  8)
Going to be posting some holiday pics when I get back  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: frogman on Oct 31, 2012, 22:44:48
Sometimes a vacation is a good thing, gets them brains fluids moving again. Honestly I've been thinking about a taking a work hiatus just so I can get back to work on bikes. Just need someone to pay the tax man.  ;D

Have a good time take LOTS of pictures!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: trek97 on Nov 01, 2012, 07:38:05
Nice...sounds like your having a good time.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: dcmspikes on Nov 01, 2012, 23:20:06
sounds like youre doing yourself some good.  the  roller wheel part of your truing stand is a great addition, no scratches .
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Nov 03, 2012, 11:38:26
I'm back  ;D
Going to sort out some pics this evening, going to work on some stuff soon.
Don't feel too jet-lagged, hope it doesn't hit me later?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Nov 03, 2012, 17:36:14
Got off the plane at Gatwick (London), picked up hire car and went to 'Hoggin the Bridge'
https://www.facebook.com/groups/HoggintheBridge/?ref=ts&fref=ts
I was a bit tired and slightly jet lagged but managed to take some pics of 'interesting stuff'  ;D
Road legal ATV's with 450 'race' motors
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-18.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-19.jpg)
Restored Suzuki's, GT550 and RGV250
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-14.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-3.jpg)
Suzuki B-King trike for disabled rider (dual brake levers)
170+bhp of strangeness  8)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-10.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-11.jpg)
Vintage Norton, made to look even older than it was
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-4.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-5.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Wales%202012/HoggintheBridge-16.jpg)
More later, I'm off for a nap  ::)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Nov 11, 2012, 22:25:07
Finally got round to fitting rear tyre on the blue wheel.
Something interesting I hadn't noticed previously (but camera picked it up) The weld is obviously a different material so anodizing dyed it differently.
It looks like there is a crack but it is fine (I had to go check though  :o )
4.60 tyre is much smaller than the size printed on it, fits on WM3 rim pretty good without bulging over the sides would can cause instability the 'crack' is on left side  ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/RearTyre1.jpg)

The complete wheel from a different angle
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/RearTyre2.jpg)

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Post by: Azbiker on Nov 11, 2012, 22:35:27
That wheel is sweet! So is that Norton.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: trek97 on Nov 11, 2012, 22:47:51
What the heck are you planning to put that wheel on?
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Post by: crazypj on Nov 11, 2012, 22:58:52
What the heck are you planning to put that wheel on?

Another 378
 Little bit like this one, but, 'better'  ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/1977CJ250.jpg)
 
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: trek97 on Nov 12, 2012, 08:52:43
You may be looking at a slight mod to your brake stay.  My 4.50 tire measures 4.45".  Good clearance to swing and chain, 1/2 inch + -.   Im pretty confident you can handle it.
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/trek97/tirewidth.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Nov 12, 2012, 19:18:57
4.60" tyre is actually 4.50" at the widest point.
I'm intending to make a new torque arm from 6061  8)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/460tyre.jpg)
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 08, 2012, 02:31:48
Finally got round to making a new brake link rod for Cafe.
Also finally got round to fitting a proper heavy duty clamp on exhaust/silencer joint  ::)
Machined a couple of ends with offset built in, twisted pedal operating arm and brake operating arm so it has plenty of clearance and movement
Machined some 3/8" stainless bar and ran an 8mm thread down it
Tyres are a little oxidised from lack of use (I don't think it's been anywhere for about 14months?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360-newbrakelink.jpg)
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 08, 2012, 18:18:20
Took a bunch of painkillers and took the cafe out for the first time since Oct 2011.
 Cafe Moto meetup group took a run out to Carter Bros.Garage.
Great turn out, I think 33 bikes (people kept moving thing to get pictures)
Front brake was sticking a bit and carbs didn't work right for the first 42 miles, (they haven't been used even though bike has to check other peoples carbs)
 There is going to be an article about Cafe Moto in February Orlando magazine, I'll find out which one
Title: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: neevo on Dec 08, 2012, 18:41:43
Ah the joy of riding a motorcycle hopped upon meds, good to hear you're out of the scoot PJ!

No surprise your carbs are not tuned properly. It's typical that the expert doesn't get time to do their own ;)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Dec 09, 2012, 16:23:01
Carbs were tuned OK, just a bit gummed up from sitting on shelf for 14 months.
I drained them when I took them off bike so thought they would be OK (wrong assumption  ::) )
 I did check diaphragms but didn't think to check jets  :o
 Your right I didn't have time to do my own stuff though, even rear brake was 'last minute'
I'm suffering today though, back and arm/shoulder, wife asked if it was a good idea to go riding yesterday,I knew it wasn't but, at the same time it really was worth it  ;D 8)
 It's an online quarterly 'magazine', just looked it up
http://etceteramagaz (http://etceteramagaz)(http://img1.meetupstatic.com/img/clear.gif)ine.com/
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Post by: trek97 on Dec 10, 2012, 07:19:32
dont know exactly what happened to your link PJ.  but, heres a link to the mag that works...
http://etceteramagazine.com/ (http://etceteramagazine.com/)

Also, Your rear brake works OK w that setup ?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Dec 10, 2012, 15:35:59
Thanks, don't know what happened to link either?
 Found out it's a print and online magazine
Rear brake works fine, I don't use it too much though (never have , 4,000 miles on front brake, 60,000+ on rear brake shoes  ;D )
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Post by: pandknz on Dec 10, 2012, 21:09:37
That is the same as I have done with my rear sets, I did consider using a cable (i think I sent you (crazypj) a link or picture) but the linkage worked out better, only difference is that I have the link on top so the muffler sits under nice and high for ground clearance.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Dec 10, 2012, 21:20:13
Yep, I welded some strange shape then made brake to fit.
Thinking about cutting section out of pipe and using something straighter.
It was easier to put extension on underneath of brake pedal but I have several different designs to 'play' with including a swing arm pivot 'pivot' with link and cable
Pipes go directly under crankcase, I have more than Moto GP minimum 50 degree lean angle  ;D (I would need 'race' tyres to use it all though)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Dec 17, 2012, 20:47:43
Finally got round to recycling a blown sealed beam headlight
Used a holesaw to cut bulb base out, broke bulb to get it out then Dremel to open up for H4 halogen bulb
I'll probably JB Weld it in place,I have a bulb holder somewhere but can't find it (also have a few more blown ones so I can do next one 'properly'  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Headlight2.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Headlight3.jpg)

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Post by: Swagger on Dec 18, 2012, 17:43:54
Works great, I've done a few of them. Sometimes there's need to shim the depth of the bulb to get a nice pattern but I only had to do it once. I did all of mine in glass lights, it should be pretty similar in that metal can.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Dec 21, 2012, 13:33:54
Hi Folks,
I posted this in CB360 carb mods but I'm putting it here for people I've modified carbs for
Took my 360 out a couple of weeks ago and had a slight issue with lean running top end.
Didn't give it a lot of thought (although it was probably simmering somewhere in subconcious? ;) )
Came up with a theory this morning - E10 fuel
I set bike up a few years ago when E10 wasn't as common.
I had a modified set of carbs on it during week and it was a dramatic improvement.
I thought it may be just the carbs were cleaner than my own carbs, but, when I checked jets, either  someone had drilled them out slightly or they had been cleaned with jet reamers and were oversize?
Anyway, pilot was about 40 instead of 35, primary main 70 instead of 68, secondary was 115 instead of 110.
Jetting is slightly rich but if you have E-15 it should be real close to right
I wouldn't recommend E-85, it was really designed for fuel injected motors with a bunch of electronic sensors
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 03, 2013, 00:10:10
Cleaned and modified another caliper mount, going to swap out some cleaner forks tomorrow
I fitted new fork seals and oil a while ago, wasn't fitting them until I go some gaitors though
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/cleanedforks_zpsd3029ffb.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 03, 2013, 18:48:54
Forks are swapped, brake arm with grease nipple fitted, headlight on, working good so far.
Still need to fit heavy duty clutch springs
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: JRK5892 on Jan 03, 2013, 19:04:58
awesome!
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Jan 03, 2013, 21:11:46
Cleaned and modified another caliper mount, going to swap out some cleaner forks tomorrow
I fitted new fork seals and oil a while ago, wasn't fitting them until I go some gaitors though
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/cleanedforks_zpsd3029ffb.jpg)

I used a pair of Truck Shocks Gaitors...on my Nighthawk 750...Great minds think alike?

(http://imageshack.us/a/img441/7342/gaitorsandlights.jpg)

Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 03, 2013, 22:36:04
Yep, got them from Summit  ;)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 07, 2013, 16:55:23
Yesterday we pulled starter motor, starter clutch and chain off Brendon's 360 so decided to weigh the bits today (while wife is working  ;) )
Fitting a 9A/hr sealed battery means a total weight saving of approx 12lbs, (over 5lbs on battery swap)
 Starter solenoid is 0.528lbs, stock battery box, 2.172lbs (including regulator/rectifier so actual weight reduction will be less)
That's about 15lbs on electrical system alone, removing starter cable and a few odds and ends is another ~1/2lb?
Stock air box with filter, 2.5lbs, that's another 5lbs dropped (haven't weighed K&N filter, I know stater block off is about 1.5 oz or less)
I'll be weighing other parts as they get taken off bike
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: bdn3d on Jan 07, 2013, 17:04:07
Did I tell you that the 360 wanted me to tell you it's New Years reaolution was to go on a diet!  Haha!  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: bdn3d on Jan 07, 2013, 17:05:01
Resolution
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Jan 07, 2013, 17:46:24
I did better than that...I've lost 85 pounds in the last 2 years. Losing another 50 in all. So to do this on a motorcycle, you pretty much need to remove the engine...LOL

My 750 is already much quicker....
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Sonreir on Jan 07, 2013, 17:50:09
Yesterday we pulled starter motor, starter clutch and chain off Brendon's 360 so decided to weigh the bits today (while wife is working  ;) )
Fitting a 9A/hr sealed battery means a total weight saving of approx 12lbs, (over 5lbs on battery swap)
 Starter solenoid is 0.528lbs, stock battery box, 2.172lbs (including regulator/rectifier so actual weight reduction will be less)
That's about 15lbs on electrical system alone, removing starter cable and a few odds and ends is another ~1/2lb?
Stock air box with filter, 2.5lbs, that's another 5lbs dropped (haven't weighed K&N filter, I know stater block off is about 1.5 oz or less)
I'll be weighing other parts as they get taken off bike

My own 360 ended up pretty light after taking bits off.  I started with the CJ so it was lighter already, but I'm down to a dry weight of 284 lbs.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: MGD on Jan 07, 2013, 18:04:33
^ That's impressive. I've been hoping for a running 360 at 305lbs, with gas and oil.  Seems you are right on the mark, or below.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 07, 2013, 23:48:36
Forgot to mention, I also turned the starter clutch mountings off rotor, same as I did mine on page 1
Found couple of people are having 'problems' with tach plugs, not all motors have a chamfer where cable fits into head (or speedo drive)
I test each one on spare 360 rocker cover, it has chamfer, check you motor (or speedo drive) has it.
If not, it doesn't take much to de-burr enough with a scraper, chisel, small knife  for 'O' ring to compress into housing (although you may have to tap it in with a dowel)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360tachdrive_zps0a12bf72.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 08, 2013, 00:39:53
Forgot to mention, saw thread where a EX500 rotor was fitted to 360 carrier (thanks  ;) )
I removed stock rotor from carrier as the 'blue bike' will be using GSXR forks so I'll have to make caliper mounts and may as well use a larger disc  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360brake1_zpse68a5976.jpg)
Going to fit an 11" rotor, I think it's off a Yamaha?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360brake3_zpsd95b9afb.jpg)
stock is 10-3/16"
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360brake2_zpsf9390abb.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: hillsy on Jan 08, 2013, 00:50:44
Definitely a Yamaha disc - I thought it was an RZ, but it looks like an FJ600.
 
(http://www.bcsportbikes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=30472&stc=1&d=1119034267)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 13, 2013, 00:34:34
It sure does, thanks  ;D
Brendon's bike finally died  :'(
 Had a couple of issues, only found one this afternoon when I decided to skim head
right lower screw on intake boot wasn't fully tight (it's on top left in pic as head is upside down)
BTW, that ISN'T gasket, its 'unknown black stuff'  ???
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendon4.jpg)
 Piston got a bit hot and 'stuck' slightly
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendon1.jpg)
extra heat from slightly advanced ignition timing caused this
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendon2.jpg)
 Inside piston
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendon3.jpg)
Skimmed head, then did one of mine for the 'blue bike'  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/DSCN5482.jpg)
 also machined rotor holder, turned outside to fit inside diameter of Yamaha rotor then tapped the rivet holes to fit shouldered rotor bolts.
I still need to get some half nuts to fit on back (lock nuts)(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360Yamaharotor.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: MGD on Jan 13, 2013, 00:52:00
Ignorant question - Are you using the factory front hub on the GSX front suspension?  I'm wondering why all the work to the brake rotor.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 13, 2013, 00:56:35
Yep, I already did one for Neevo, GSXR forks, CBR600 rotors with 400f front hub  ;D
 I had rotor laying around, going to have to make caliper mount so though 'what the heck', lets go bigger diameter  ;)
 I may never use it though, I may make an adapter to use a Yamaha floating rotor I picked up for XS650? ? ?
 
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: MGD on Jan 13, 2013, 01:03:16
The "crazy" portion of your screen name is sinking in now.  Is there machining needed to the GSX bottom tree to get it on the 360 frame?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 13, 2013, 07:02:46
Top of stem is too long and wrong diameter.
I turned it down and re-threaded it
Should have left it about 1/8" longer as taper bearings have a slightly higher stack height (machined for ball or taper bearings on 360 frame)
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 20, 2013, 01:19:04
Woka, woka, woka  ;D
Brendon's latest idea is turning out pretty good.
 It's not too easy to make compound curves in metal without the proper equipment so, he started with a WOK  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Wokphoto2.jpg)
Cut a section off and a bit of beating on the sides
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Wokphoto6.jpg)

Almost done, everything roughed out quite well
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Wokphoto7.jpg)
Going to line it up on bike before cutting headlight hole (although that may have something 'interesting' done to it  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: dcmspikes on Jan 20, 2013, 14:07:28
nice.   i was toying with that idea, but i had not come up with using a wok.   from the cut-outs it looks like a pretty good shape.  cant wait to see it finished.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Jan 20, 2013, 18:29:33
I like LOVE the idea....I don't like the steel...do they make aluminum woks?
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: frogman on Jan 20, 2013, 18:55:09
I've seen them in kitchen supply stores. The lids for the woks are aluminum at least.
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 20, 2013, 19:39:16
It has to be steel, even though aluminium would be lighter
 Maybe he'll start a 'stir' (fry) trend? ;D
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Jan 20, 2013, 22:17:07
General Tso's CB360?

With CB360 you get egg roll?

Ugh...I'll stop now....
Title: Re: CB360's - Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil-from build to blog
Post by: crazypj on Jan 30, 2013, 21:23:07
Couldn't leave things at reply 666 any longer,this is 667, neighbor of the beast  ;D
Made a complaint to Magellan yesterday, they wanted me to switch off firewall and anti-virus to use the update software (not going to happen)
Anyway, they re-set everything this morning and e-mailed me to try again
Everything worked great, even got free map update to 2013 map  8) (didn't get update from new, you only get 30 days to download it, READ THE SMALL PRINT  ::) )
 Not a good day on bike though.  :(
Finally got round to painting a few things with HVLP touch up gun, dropped the damn headlight shell which rolled outside into leaves and crap, mudguard reacted in a few places so that's crinkled
Mounting got a piece of dirt from somewhere and I gave up before looking at frame,although that should be single colour
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 09, 2013, 23:18:48
Changed the thread name again, hope it doesn't mess up anyones bookmarks? (if anyone has this bookmarked  ;D )
Anyway, mo dumb shit done  ;)
I was asked about lighter wheel/axle components, already made some alloy spacers for front and rear, around 12~14oz for back so far
 Today, I 'gun drilled' front axle
weight changed from 10.9 oz to 8.19oz
Was it worth it?
Probably not for the weight reduction but worth it to find out just how it could be done with small machines and to know I  probably won't be doing another one
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-MDS.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Swagger on Feb 10, 2013, 16:59:44
I'd imagine the butter they made those OE axles out of will be a wee bit more flexy as well. Fun exercise though....
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 10, 2013, 23:10:02
Nope, the axle is the main thing holding forks together so has to be pretty reasonable material
It's probably a medium/high carbon steel capable of being hardened
Almost sure it's rolled thread then heat treated, the very outside is 'tough' there seems to be about 0.100" harder section, (pearlite/martensite? I forget the various stages) then softer core
 Brendon did a bit more on bike today, swapped out master cyl and fitted 1 piece brake line (I bled brakes)
Got a pic, I'll have to upload to photobucket and link here later
yertis
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/WokaWoka.jpeg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 20, 2013, 14:11:25
Brendon cleaned up some hubs and sprayed satin black
Built wheels last night using Moose Racing rims
Front, ready to be trued up
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/BrendonFW1.jpg)
Rear, built and close up, showing there isn't an issue with spoke angle
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/BrendonRW1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/BrendonRW2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 20, 2013, 14:16:55
Nice.  Are those an eBay find or did they come off of something else?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 20, 2013, 14:35:14
Brand new from Amazon.
I think he said they are discontinued?
Got a real good price, about $50.00 each (I would have bought them at that price  ;D )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Treesus on Feb 20, 2013, 16:01:47
That wok is fantastic.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 20, 2013, 16:31:17
Are they the 2.15"?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Feb 20, 2013, 17:20:52
Those look very nice.  You still don't have a roller yet?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 20, 2013, 17:53:59
Both rims WM3x18-36 (2.15")
My bike is running, I use it for carb sync when I do carbs for people (and make sure it's running OK after mods)
 I'm mainly supervising Brendon working on his and having a laugh when he gets it wrong  ;D
 Still plodding along on 'little bike blue' as well, forgot to post pics of latest work (mainly because I didn't take them yet, except for one pic in latest purchase thread  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 20, 2013, 19:36:41
Pics of exhaust tied into place on blue bike
I thought it was an 05 and 06 but it's easy to see it's 07 KX250F
May use only 1 instead of the two, they look a bit bulky together? (maybe wait for a 2005 CRF 250 exhaust to turn up on eBay?)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/RMZKXF-2.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/RMZKXF-3.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/RMZKXF-4.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 20, 2013, 20:06:31
They might look a bit more balanced after you get the seat on there.  There's also the option of lowering them a bit?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 20, 2013, 20:07:44
I think the option of cutting them up a bit is also open  ;)
 BTW, is your paypal address correct?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Finnigan on Feb 20, 2013, 20:13:42
How am i just finding this thread?!?!!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 20, 2013, 20:14:58
How am i just finding this thread?!?!!

 You found it?
Damn, will have to change the title more often  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 23, 2013, 01:54:07
Had a set of carbs with missing idle adjuster screw, as most of you know, it's got a flexible section
 None on eBay so I made one from 3/8" stainless bar, needs to be oversize so it can have a spring seat (so it doesn't vibrate away from setting)
Not quite as nice as I wanted but I broke the 6x32 tap and ha a few other issues with stuff
It's a real fine thread, had to get a new die which turned out to be 20mm OD so then I had to make a die holder  ::)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Idleadjuster1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Idleadjuster-fitted.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Feb 23, 2013, 17:44:49
wow...stainless...really?!?!  over engineer much?   lol.  one more reason I like you.  If its worth doing...its worth overdoing.
maybe just the angle of the pic....but will the head interfere w pulling the bowl?  looks like things could get squeezy twixed float and knurled adjuster screw head.
but it is cool.  and WAY more reliable than the stock flexi setup.  Too bad your the only one who will know its there.
Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: neevo on Feb 23, 2013, 18:58:48
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/RMZKXF-3.jpg)

Oh sweet mother of god... YES!!!

A touch lower I reckon but damn that is a killer looking rear end.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 23, 2013, 23:00:30
wow...stainless...really?!?!  over engineer much?   lol.  one more reason I like you.  If its worth doing...its worth overdoing.
maybe just the angle of the pic....but will the head interfere w pulling the bowl?  looks like things could get squeezy twixed float and knurled adjuster screw head.
but it is cool.  and WAY more reliable than the stock flexi setup.  Too bad your the only one who will know its there.

 nope, it's just the camera angle, it could get a bit warm trying to adjust without gloves though as it's real close to cylinder.
It going to a guy over at HondaTwins
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 23, 2013, 23:11:10
Oh sweet mother of god... YES!!!

A touch lower I reckon but damn that is a killer looking rear end.

Agreed.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 23, 2013, 23:14:26
Got Brendon's new WM3 front wheel on bike with 90/90 tyre.
All the dimwits who fit wider tyres to narrower rims should see it, looks far wider on wide rim.
I'll get a pic tomorrow
BTW, not over engineered, I don't like stuff going rusty.
Silencers should match the angle of the fiberglass KZ650 tail I'm making (now I'm giving away too much  ;) )
I also Have this rear wheel with a 4.50x18
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/RearTyre2.jpg)
and a pic from the other side in case you missed it first time
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/RMZKXF-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Ringo on Feb 24, 2013, 00:57:03
Silencers should match the angle of the fiberglass KZ650 tail I'm making (now I'm giving away too much  ;) )

;D  What's all this keeping us in the dark, huh?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 24, 2013, 01:46:19
It's turning into another long term project, didn't want to keep everyone in suspense until boredom took over.
 Her's another teaser then
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/IMG_1841.jpg)
Glenn has sent some pics of Brendon working and what I think is a good pic of me/garage
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/IMG_1901.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/IMG_1823.jpg)

Bottom bearing, almost fully seated Just for the people who think level with edge of frame is OK)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/IMG_1867.jpg)

Front assembled (mostly) 90.90 tyre on WM3 rim
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/IMG_1887.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 27, 2013, 02:51:35
Brendon didn't like the modified sprocket cover, too much grease that collects off drive chain was visible so asked if I could come up with some sort of mesh
Had some perforated sheet aluminium from doing rear wheel a while ago so cut it up and made this
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Bike-58sprocketcovermod.jpg)
 I like it so much, I'm going to do a couple more
 Brendon's bike has progressed to the stage where I allowed it on the bench  ;D
It's not getting paint.
Seat is CB350, fairing by WOK  ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Bike-59.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Bike-61.jpg)
All for now
PJ
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Ringo on Feb 27, 2013, 05:15:44
Very nice on that sprocket cover!!!  Lee (Swagger) is doing something similar to the cover on my (ex)550.  Not sure exactly, I'd have to ask the current owner, but it sounds cool!  Neat seeing it.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Green199 on Feb 27, 2013, 05:54:17
That Wok fairing is genius! haha
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Treesus on Feb 27, 2013, 07:03:42
Agreed. That sprocket cover is brialliant
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 01, 2013, 20:10:41
Actually did something useful on 2 bike's today
I tapped the steering head with 1.8mm thread so I can re-fit the VIN plates.
The original 'rivscrew' things were too difficult to remove without damage so I carefully drilled heads off and punched them through before removing plates
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Teenytinttaps.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/steeringheadcloseup-1.jpg)

now I have to find some 1.8mm screws
Brass or stainless?  :-\
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Mar 01, 2013, 21:25:57
Brass would resemble the rivets.  Either choice will look good.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Mar 01, 2013, 22:48:59
couldnt find any M1.8 but if you could go up to 2mm...?
M2x4mm Stainless Slotted Pan Head Screw
$0.30
http://www.metricscrews.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98_5_24&products_id=323
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/trek97/10043_zpsdeb56919.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 02, 2013, 00:02:56
Yep, I already found out M1.8 is a real difficult size to find. (unless you buy 3,000+ screws  ;D )
Luckily I bought a die to go with tap, I thought I may have to make brass screws
 I may get some 2mm and run die down them in the meantime
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 03, 2013, 15:18:41
Just for fun, a use for 'ded' piston
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Newtaillight-1.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Newtaillight-2.jpg)

Light is a bit 'pink' so the pure white LED bulb is going to need some red tint
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Mar 03, 2013, 16:45:09
Freakin awesome !
Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: neevo on Mar 03, 2013, 18:29:05
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/IMG_1823.jpg)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/IMG_1887.jpg)

That frame is sparkling, looks mega neat. What's the finish? Paint?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 03, 2013, 18:35:13
Appliance epoxy over not hardened primer, gives slightly more satin finish (accidental, I'm a lousy painter  ;D )
Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: neevo on Mar 03, 2013, 22:12:42
Appliance epoxy over not hardened primer, gives slightly more satin finish (accidental, I'm a lousy painter  ;D )

Looks brilliant either way. Do you finish the tubes with anything? Reason I askis I've got some ripples from the grinder with my bike. Wondering if they won't be noticeable, a filler primer is to be used or if I need something more drastic like body filler.
Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: SONIC. on Mar 03, 2013, 22:27:22
Either take an orbital sander with some 220 to it or body filler if its bad. You'll see the grinder marks otherwise
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 03, 2013, 23:00:28
I sandblasted, etch primer, undercoat primer then 3~4 topcoats (did them on different days)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Mar 04, 2013, 00:18:50
Do you finish the tubes with anything? Reason I ask is I've got some ripples from the grinder with my bike. Wondering if they won't be noticeable, a filler primer is to be used or if I need something more drastic like body filler.
I had the same problem after cutting a bunch of stuff off my frame.  Sometimes body filler is too heavy for some of the small defects.  Glazing putty is the best solution I have found.  It's like concentrated primer you spread on with a rubber squeegee.  Primer/sealer you parts first, scuff them down to reveal your low spots, and fill with glazing putty.  Knock back the putty with 220, or 400 grit.  Lay one more coat of primer over it to seal it up, and then prep for paint.  Don't final paint over glazing putty, or it will show through.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 06, 2013, 01:47:49
It ain't easy, but, it IS possible to fit a Dyna S off a Goldwing to a CB360.
 Had to machine backplate to fit 360 head and a few other modifications. Also machined points cover for clearance, then machined it a lot more as bike won't be out in the rain
Haven't fired it up yet but we have spark at the correct time
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 07, 2013, 15:47:33
It's alive  8)
started second kick, but, Brendon wanted video so I switched off and started over, started second kick second time as well
I'll get some pics of the Dyna fitting later
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 07, 2013, 22:30:25
Pictures  ;D
WIP (work in progress)
Fork brace
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Forkbrace.jpg)
Dyna ignition module off GL1000
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Dynaignition1.jpg)
modified cover as there is no longer a worry about water shorting things out
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Dynaignition2.jpg)
and, new footrest on 'blue bike', 2005 RM 250 take-off
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Newfootrest.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Mar 07, 2013, 23:46:59
That ignition looks like a winner to me.  I like the bear trap foot pegs too.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 09, 2013, 00:47:44
Well, Brendon rode off about an hour ago, got just about exactly a mile before bike stopped
I took a few tools and jumped in truck.
RAN OUT OF GAS (to be fair, the reserve is probably blocked on the 'new' tank)
Put about a gallon in so it will run on 'normal and it seems fine
Battery is a bit low as static setting timing took longer than expected (bike hasn't run for 2 months)
All seems good though
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: 4 stroker on Mar 09, 2013, 12:12:03
great idee the dyna ignition, what about the spark advance of this setup and is there a rev limiter?

grtz
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 09, 2013, 12:59:13
Stock Honda advancer with a few modifications, don't know about rev limiter, it was used Dyna off eBay
 It was a crazy week to go from bunch of parts to a rider in 5 days while still fabricating parts
 It's not 'finished' as there are a lot of rough bits I'm not happy with (but, it's not mine and is ridable)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 14, 2013, 02:17:37
Brendon called this morning, bike blowing fuses.
Forgot to take picture but the LED flasher relay had burned out (don't know why I checked that first?  :o )
bits were rattling around inside and caused a short - made it an intermittent fault
Finally got round to fitting front mudguard and finishing off fork brace. Still need to get a couple of 6mm acorn nuts (plus chop bolts down a bit)
some pix
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard3.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard3.jpg.html)

close up of fork brace with polished brass sheet under it (you can see the over length bolts and plain nuts as well)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard2.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard2.jpg.html)

another of front end
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Apr 14, 2013, 07:28:59
That awesome...but wheres the WOK?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 14, 2013, 14:20:32
It's getting a screen fitted with brass rivets  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: 4 stroker on Apr 15, 2013, 09:32:12
really nice bike!!
what's the front mudguard from?

grtz
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 15, 2013, 13:11:37
Don't know it was laying around loose at junkyard.
 I thought it was 250 Triumph but they have different mountings
All I can tell you is it was orange when it was bought  ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Treesus on Apr 18, 2013, 01:35:29
A close friend of mine from Utah was doing some photography work in FL. Last night he sent me a picture of what he called "The sexiest Honda I've ever seen in my life" that he found while wandering around the Milk District.

I recognized it immediately as Brendon's 360. Funny small world.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 18, 2013, 02:56:57
WOW, thanks.
It's still a WIP but getting closer to completed (at least for a while  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Maritime on Apr 18, 2013, 08:49:44
A close friend of mine from Utah was doing some photography work in FL. Last night he sent me a picture of what he called "The sexiest Honda I've ever seen in my life" that he found while wandering around the Milk District.

I recognized it immediately as Brendon's 360. Funny small world.

So get his permission and post a pic of it in its natural habitat ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Rich Ard on Apr 18, 2013, 10:11:44
The ventilated 'points' cover is great - looking forward to seeing this thing take a wok
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 21, 2013, 01:50:20
Brendon this morning, then things went downhill
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon.jpg.html)
 First, gear change seal popped out of housing when engine got hot which caused a pretty good oil leak.
Got back to house and fixed that plus fitted a washer with compression spring to prevent it happening again (old seals with full synthetic oil do tend to leak)
Then we found the real problem, crankcase is getting pressurised, will have to strip top end and find out whats wrong.
It isn't oil rings as there is no smoke, it's probably a compression ring or bore distorting, only way to find out is top end off
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 02, 2013, 01:18:48
I originally posted this in different 360 thread but I've been doing a bunch of reading
I've been looking at caps for battery replacement, need the largest you can find (capacitance wise)
 I just picked up two 18,000 microfarad, probably 1/3 of what I need?
Not going to have time to test anything as I've taken on too much before surgery
Something about size of Ballistic battery (made up from a set of 4 smaller caps) around 30v (it will only charge to input voltage)
It will be even lighter than battery but may not be much smaller (maybe even bigger?)
 You'll have to kick over a few times to charge it up and must have lights you can switch off
 needs to be around 4 amps equivalent
Basically you connect same as a battery, red to +, other terminal to ground
 There really isn't much information easily available other than people trying to sell you a cap
I did find this though
http://www.ehow.com/info_8638876_difference-between-batteries-capacitors.html (http://www.ehow.com/info_8638876_difference-between-batteries-capacitors.html)
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-37000uF-37-000uF-40V-volts-and-50V-surge-Aero-M-Electrolytic-Capacitors-/290774114413?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b37ce06d (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-37000uF-37-000uF-40V-volts-and-50V-surge-Aero-M-Electrolytic-Capacitors-/290774114413?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b37ce06d)


360 needs roughly 4 amps for normal running so you would need around 4~6 farads or a big array of parallel connected small ones?
But, amps are not volts, generator doesn't 'load balance until around 3,000 rpm, I think amperage may be close at lower rpm?
I know there is around 1~1.5 amps 'spare' at 3~5,000rpm
Won't be doing any tests for a few months though
 

Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on May 02, 2013, 19:46:05
1 Farad is pretty big.  I'm not sure you want to sit on six of these.

(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5716/1000774z.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/1000774z.jpg/)


Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 02, 2013, 22:10:08
650 farad 2.7v supercaps are real small in comparison
When connected in series you get 16.2volts, 108 Farad, 'only' costs about $150.00 plus time and connectors, etc to put it together
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 08, 2013, 00:11:22
I found problem with Brendon's bike.
Seems there are production variations in connecting rod length (I'm speculating but have no idea what else it could be)
'My' 378 is around 106 or 108*** engine number, his is 208*** engine number
 With all the same parts as mine the piston just kissed the head, problem was, it cracked the ring land between top and middle ring plus top ring overheated and lost tension so allowed blowby to pressurise crankcase.
 free end gap should be around ~9.00 mm, it was only 4.5mm
That's what happens when you assume Honda made them all the same and don't make measurements.
Anyone using GS850 pistons, use 1/16"(0.0625") head OR base gasket and 0.032" for the other
 

Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on May 08, 2013, 00:46:39
Honda sure made adjustments, even within a model year.   

It is amazing that some of the pieces stayed absolutely the same. Other pieces must of changed every 3 months...

Will it fit? Definitely maybe or not!  ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: frogman on May 08, 2013, 09:45:09
I think Matt had same issues with SOS, and his is a CJ. Well, either that or he didn't put a spacer in at all I forget which.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on May 08, 2013, 11:59:40
My issues were mainly self-inflicted.  Shaved too much metal off the head.  The first machinist did a hack job so I had to take it to a second one to get it right.

I'm running .032" on head and base gasket now, but I still need to check clearances.  Too busy working on other things right now, though.  :(
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 08, 2013, 15:52:40
You have a CJ so it will be a much later motor, let us know if you have clearance issues?
 I have a special fly cutter I made to enlarge combustion chamber on CJ250 when I did the 390 conversion (14mm overbore)
Problem is, I couldn't find it when I was in Britain last year
I've made a fixture to hold pistons in lathe to reduce crown height, also has the benefit of making them slightly lighter
 I've just bought a pair of XS400 DOHC pistons off eBay to experiment with, won't be here until next week
Stock XS400 will give a very low compression ratio as piston has a 'flat' top and really wide top land, the dome is way too large on DOHC piston to use in CB360 without machining (I looked into this about 7 yrs ago when I did a 522cc XS'400')
 The GS 850 pistons were pretty easy to come by then so I gave up on all the extra work with Yamaha pistons
As I'm having pretty major back surgery next week it will be a few months before I'll know if it works
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on May 08, 2013, 15:54:24
If that's the kind of work you'd be looking to do for others, please let me know.  I'd like to reduce the width of my base gasket so I can get my squish back.  Running .045" below deck right now.  :(
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 08, 2013, 15:56:58
It's probably going to be 3 months before I really know how surgery went, surgeons office just called as I have pre-op testing tomorrow
 If everything is good I'll probably be scouring eBay for DOHC pistons  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on May 08, 2013, 15:58:24
Fingers crossed for you.
Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: neevo on May 08, 2013, 17:53:54
Fingers crossed for you.

Yeah good luck on the surgery PJ, fingers crossed it improves things greatly for you.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: mattfeet on May 11, 2013, 23:17:11
I just read through this entire build thread...fantastic work PJ. Hope your surgery goes well and I can't wait to get my 378 build off the ground!!!!

-Matt
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 12, 2013, 20:00:26
More issues, although now fixed
Brendon's bike was running either totally awesome or real crap
Kept dropping a cylinder for unknown reason then would come back on two and run fantastic. (115+)
Ended up re-wiring a CB400T rectifier/reg into circuit replacing the original separate units
Charging 13.6 volts at idle, tops out at 14.52 V
Pulled coils off this morning, found a major issue with one of them.
Something has bubbled out from the inside around the center core laminate, probably the internal insulation
I'll probably cut it up to take a look inside.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Coil1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Coil1.jpg.html)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Coil2.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Coil2.jpg.html)

HT lead is towards rear of tank tunnel so probably got hotter than the 'rear' which gets some airlow
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Brodie on May 12, 2013, 20:04:18
I had that exact same problem with my first car. Sure enough the coil was toast. The stuff inside it is the insulation and from what I gather it was grounding itself out before letting much of a charge through.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 13, 2013, 15:38:36
I've postponed the surgery until next month, couldn't afford to have any issues with FMLA
 wife needed to make sure everything is in writing rather than just 'OK, your good to go'
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on May 13, 2013, 22:51:58
I've postponed the surgery until next month, couldn't afford to have any issues with FMLA
 wife needed to make sure everything is in writing rather than just 'OK, your good to go'

Understand what you're saying... was in today to set up cataract surgeries and found out there is gunna' be an extra $800 out of pocket that insurance companies won't cover.  Durn medical folks, always something, huh?  PJ, good luck w/ the upcoming surgery!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: jkluesner on May 15, 2013, 15:53:44

Is that seat a custom job or is it a purchase? I am looking to do something similar on my 75 360T project.



Brendon called this morning, bike blowing fuses.
Forgot to take picture but the LED flasher relay had burned out (don't know why I checked that first?  :o )
bits were rattling around inside and caused a short - made it an intermittent fault
Finally got round to fitting front mudguard and finishing off fork brace. Still need to get a couple of 6mm acorn nuts (plus chop bolts down a bit)
some pix
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard3.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon-newmudguard3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 15, 2013, 16:33:29
It's from 'Viet' for a CB350, needed slight modification.
 He's on here, do a member search
If you give him width of frame he'll custom make one slightly wider to fit 360 frame
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Treesus on May 19, 2013, 01:05:30
I had a similar issue with my old coils. Whenever I rode in rain for more than 5 minutes the right cylinder would quit firing.

I couldn't see any insulation oozing out but it was definitely shorting out somewhere when it got wet. though I could never pin down where.

I just replaced them with 3 Ohm Dyna Coils and haven't had a problem since.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jun 27, 2013, 22:53:55
Bought a mini microscope/camera thing, was bored so I thought I'de take a look inside intake of a 360 carb
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Carburettors/20130627213203.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Carburettors/20130627213203.jpg.html)
Need to play with the light adjustment (built in LED) and the focus but it looks like it's going to be possible to get stills and/or video with engine running then see the fuel discharge (no idea if lens will dissolve ?  ;D )
Probably be a few months before I can even put carbs into manifolds, real scared of doing something too soon and messing up the bits bolted into spine
Here's close up of sync adjuster screw, didn't notice the washer below lock nut

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Carburettors/360syncadjuster.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Carburettors/360syncadjuster.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: OJ on Jul 07, 2013, 13:03:35
What are you using for banjo bolt on the caliper? That looks much cleaner than the stock pipe.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 07, 2013, 17:48:11
I pull out the 90degree flare fitting and tap the caliper deeper for a normal 10x1.25 banjo bolt, I think there may be pictures somewhere in here?
 Brendon has modified exhaust system again, the outlet is now much higher and further back, about level with number plate
Says there is a very noticeable increase in mid-range power with even longer exhaust (hasn't tried top end yet)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: OJ on Jul 07, 2013, 22:06:59
Just tap and no drilling? Might try that because it makes more sense to me than the stock setup.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 07, 2013, 23:43:23
It's already tapped 10x1.25,just not very deep as the flare on brake line has to seat and seal
I don't remember if I had to drill as well
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 08, 2013, 13:50:12
Brendon just sent I-Phone pic of 'new' exhaust,it's now been wrapped but don'thave pic of that yet
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon378.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/Brendons/Brendon378.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Jul 09, 2013, 18:13:40
Looking good.  I like the whole bike, not just the exhaust.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 11, 2013, 02:50:36
Decided to make a basic electronic ignition, use GM module and Hall Effect sensor circuit to trigger a dual fire coil with two magnets at 90 degrees (maybe, may use two sensors and single magnet, same as points set up,that will need GM 2 modules as well though)
Will use stock advancer mechanism until I can figure out a programmable one for cheap  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Halleffectsensor-1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Halleffectsensor-1.jpg.html)
 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Jul 11, 2013, 08:13:15
Decided to make a basic electronic ignition, use GM module and Hall Effect sensor circuit to trigger a dual fire coil with two magnets at 90 degrees (maybe, may use two sensors and single magnet, same as points set up,that will need GM 2 modules as well though)
Will use stock advancer mechanism until I can figure out a programmable one for cheap  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Halleffectsensor-1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Halleffectsensor-1.jpg.html)

get er done! and Ill take one.
Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Jul 11, 2013, 08:18:23
Decided to make a basic electronic ignition, use GM module and Hall Effect sensor circuit to trigger a dual fire coil with two magnets at 90 degrees (maybe, may use two sensors and single magnet, same as points set up,that will need GM 2 modules as well though)
Will use stock advancer mechanism until I can figure out a programmable one for cheap  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Halleffectsensor-1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Halleffectsensor-1.jpg.html)
for the cb360 with a 180 deg firing order you will need 2 sensors and 2 modules.  Otherwise you will be firing the coil on the intake of the right cylinder when the left needs a spark.




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Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 11, 2013, 13:14:24
I haven't looked into things too deep yet, I need to be able to turn motor over and look at things
I think it will work as a 'single fire' system but may not be very efficient
Will have to wait until I recover some more and can think straight  (I blame the drugs   ;D )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: dcmspikes on Jul 15, 2013, 11:59:34
how did you make it so small?  i swear the GM module is bigger than what you show
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Jul 15, 2013, 12:44:54
Hey PJ, make sure you get one of the decent brands of GM ignition modules.  I've been burned by the cheapo $10 units. 

What Hall effect board is that?  It looks like it has a microcontroller already on board, hmm!  Neat stuff!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 15, 2013, 15:37:00
No idea on specs of it, got it off e-bay for $10.00
It has digital and analog outputs, havent tried to find out anything else about it yet
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: suthern on Jul 15, 2013, 17:09:35
Really curious about how the DIY electronic ignition works out. I wish I understood more about how the ignition system works because I'd like to try it out myself.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 15, 2013, 18:35:39
When I get it figured out and check it's reliable I'll probably put some sort of kit together
Still not allowed to 'play with machinery' so can't do a lot at present, I know I'm going to have to make a rotor/trigger to fit original advancer unit
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Aug 12, 2013, 19:24:45
Scanned x-ray of my back from 6 weeks ago
The avatar should be the same but it's upside down  ::)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Spiderbite/back-titaniumbits.png) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Spiderbite/back-titaniumbits.png.html)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: notlob on Aug 12, 2013, 20:21:43
Scanned x-ray of my back from 6 weeks ago
The avatar should be the same but it's upside down  ::)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Spiderbite/back-titaniumbits.png) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Spiderbite/back-titaniumbits.png.html)

Nice bit of "Meccano" in there. Hope it does the job.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Aug 12, 2013, 21:41:16
Your are the Six Million Dollar Man now....

Airports should be fun, or federal buildings, as you set off the scanners...

I can hear it now..."Is that a metal brace on your spine or are you just glad to see me"......

Maybe you should change your name...thinking "Tin Man" might be appropriate......

Other than that....hows progress...feeling better? movement coming back (limited, I know)??

Kind of like the press with Mrs. Lincoln: Aside from the shooting of your husband and president, how was the show? "

Edit: Make the "Crazy Tin Man"
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Aug 13, 2013, 02:11:24
It's Titanium, I'm 'Race Tuned'  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: bubonicplay on Aug 23, 2013, 00:54:22
Subbed.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 31, 2013, 02:33:30
feeling quite a lot better after starting meds again, was dumb of me to stop dead because I felt OK  ::)
Been posting in various places, done a bit more with 'magic' ignition (if you don't know how it works, it may as well be magic  ;D )

MK1 trigger rotor
, can be machined to use stock advance mechanism which is what I'm going to do first to make sure components dont instantly fail (yep, I'll carry a points plate and points cam until I know for sure)
Same 'wheel, 3 different views
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel2.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel2.jpg.html)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel3.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel3.jpg.html)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel1.jpg.html)


(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel4.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Triggerwheel4.jpg.html)

MK II wheel, fits under 'points plate. 2 different views
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/TriggerwheelMkII-1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/TriggerwheelMkII-1.jpg.html)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/TriggerwheelMkII-2.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/TriggerwheelMkII-2.jpg.html)

New 'points' plate with some Hall effect sensors. Way more components than basic ignition actually needs but it can be connected to an 'ECM' later
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Trigger-Halleffect.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/Trigger-Halleffect.jpg.html)

Need to check exact 90 degree offset, circuit boards will get a slight 'massaging'
Complete thing can be flipped over to use 'on top' with stock advance or underneath for (eventually) programmed ignition direct drive off cam
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 31, 2013, 10:17:27
Looking good, Pete!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 31, 2013, 12:17:59
Yep, I'll have to make a 'proper' rotor with built in spacer to get gap down to 0.5~1.0 mm then I can start assembling some stuff.
Still waiting for a couple more electronic pieces (and some motivation to get red frame finished  ::) )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Nov 07, 2013, 00:34:07
Bit more done, the GM 4 pin ignition modules I was waiting for arrived. Mounted on a large heatsink, probably way more than they need , but, the cheap ones are known to fail if they get too hot. Supposedly they need about 9 sq/in, total area of fins is around 23sq/in. Still needs some clean up and thermal transfer paste under modules but that will be after I drill and tap mounting holes
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/GMIgnitionmodules-1.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/GMIgnitionmodules-1.jpg.html)

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/ignition/GMIgnitionmodules-2.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/1crazypj/media/Honda%20CB360/ignition/GMIgnitionmodules-2.jpg.html)

Been playing with high speed micro drill (Dremel clone  ;) )
I'm in the process of making a 'drill press'  so I can make some new emulsion tubes for VM carbs. Hoping I can mount magnetic rotor to it and check ignition will trigger at 28,000 rpm for testing
Being mounted on end of camshaft it will never see more than 6,000rpm (12,000 crank rpm)  8)
If it all works as expected it should spark all the way up, but, I think coil charge time may be too short, in that case I'll find out where it starts miss-firing
This is just a stopgap ignition while I'm working on programmable one

Going to start making a new fork brace soon
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Nov 07, 2013, 14:50:00
 :o Interesting.  16K rpm, it's like a Formula 1 engine.  lol
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: bubonicplay on Dec 03, 2013, 02:10:37
Subscribed, I'm curious about the rear shocks, they look like emgos, which get a lot of flack around here for being too stiff, thoughts?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 03, 2013, 02:31:12
Brendon's bike has shocks from DCC, I find them way too stiff but he's happy with them
 I fitted RSY Chinese shocks on mine, but I rebuilt them so they work like $300.00 shocks
'Blue Bike' is also getting a set, when I get around to doing something  ::)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: eklimek on Dec 08, 2013, 19:53:25
Took me three days to read this and another three to take it in. I'll never get it all. I am not worthy.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 08, 2013, 21:37:46
Really needs re-arranging, I know it jumps about too much, depends on what I'm doing
Probably going to shelve ignition for a little while, need to make some fork braces to get some cash
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Wolfie on Dec 29, 2013, 16:39:26
from looking at what you did to the sensor, are you putting the magnets in the underside of the rotor?
(I was looking at those same sensors)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 30, 2013, 05:22:48
I was going to put them on top but now I'm doing something of a re-design although the one in pics will have magnets 'on top' as I already modified and epoxied the sensor in place, plus, I'm going to use original advance mechanism
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Dec 31, 2013, 09:55:09
Oh man PJ, I can't wait till you perfect the ignition!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 31, 2013, 15:23:44
Probably going to be a while, just can't seem to get a break.
Stepdaughter is moving back in with her 10yr old (her husband is a right dick they are losing house, he's going back to live with mum in Mass  ::) )
 We have a plumbing issue that needs fixing  ::)
At least we have another bathroom to use so isn't total disaster (so far)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Dec 31, 2013, 19:44:24
Shiiiiit, that sucks man.  I had to do some plumbing yesterday due to poor maintenance by the previous homeowners.  Hopefully yours is an easy fix!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Jan 04, 2014, 10:40:43
Hopefully its only temporary...You could always bail out and come up here and hang w me in "less than desirable" situation I am looking at.

8-12 inches, -15 temp and -50 below zero wind chills.   I dont know if my Shop heater will keep up with this.

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/trek97/weather_zps9636190c.jpg)

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/trek97/weather2_zpsefbe14f6.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Jan 04, 2014, 12:51:59
Hey, I'm getting that snow here in Michigan after you're done with it!  Feel free to keep as much of it as you'd like, we really don't need it all...
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: timberwolffxdl on Jan 09, 2014, 19:52:23
read all 53 pages today, so I'm up to date.  Carbs are being loaded on an airplane somewhere as I speak for some magic massaging.  Took a while to get out of the driveway (also in Michigan). And now I'm subbed ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 10, 2014, 22:27:39
Ah, now I remember when I didn't move up north  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Feb 07, 2014, 15:29:24
I'm a bit late to the polar vortex party, but it seems apt since our high today was 7F

(http://i.imgur.com/9q9PTRl.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 07, 2014, 19:14:29
Cool - pun intended  ;D
Been raining for last couple of days (or maybe weeks?) Been doing a little machining to get caught up with stuff I should have done months ago, need to make some stainless steel 7x1mm bolts for Betor forks (or something) couple of stainless inserts, fork brace, fork stop, and few other things.
Finish off new design rotors to hold magnet for ignition, oh yea, got court date for back and arm injuries
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Feb 07, 2014, 22:57:27
Hilarious!  thats my freakin house!  spooning right there betwixt -32 and -29

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/trek97/9q9PTRl_zps3de8d5b5.jpg)

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/trek97/af27d05ff64bca7a1a0fd61733fcfdf8_zpsd7105fcf.jpg)[/URL]
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 08, 2014, 11:03:19
That's too cold for me to deal with, even 26~28 is really noticeable on my back, 70- degree's colder than where I am now would be real painful
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Feb 08, 2014, 11:46:06
That's too cold for me to deal with, even 26~28 is really noticeable on my back, 70- degree's colder than where I am now would be real painful

Should of had heated pins and plates installed.... 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 12, 2014, 23:06:39
Making parts.  ;D
 Doing an actual batch of 20 starter plugs, never been able to stand long enough to make more than 2~3 previously
Back still aching but not too bad after another Tramadol, etc
Going to time everything and see if there is any advantage in batch production (doesn't look like it at the minute  :( )
Going to drill, tap and mill tomorrow, should be all finished by tea time  8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Feb 13, 2014, 14:52:13
For us Yanks, what is actual "tea time?"  Like 3:00pm?

Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 13, 2014, 18:35:50
4:30 ish  ;)
Or whenever I get fed up and put kettle on  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Feb 14, 2014, 14:19:36
My Irish grandma used to feed me toast and/or homemade french fries and tea after school.  Good memories  :)

I saw a project on DTT to convert a Dynatek Dyna S for use on a 360 - the guy moved the pickups to 90 degrees offset from each other, and set a magnet into a piece of 1/2" PVC pipe as the rotor.  I'm headed to a swap meet this Sunday, so if I have any luck finding one cheap I'll see what I can fab up. 

PJ, you might be able to make some $$$ fabbing a new 360 points plate to convert the Dyna modules to work with the 360.  Might be something to think about as you and Sonrier work on your points elimination system - maybe kind of an intermediate step as you folks develop the new system. 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 14, 2014, 22:28:53
Not impressed with Dyna, they can't taker the heat and vibration of 360. Brendon is back on points for the last 6 months or so, only got a few hundred miles out of Dyna
I've had to shelve the ignition for a while, other stuff (life) is getting in the way  :(
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Feb 15, 2014, 15:44:20
Well crap, that's unfortunate the Dynas don't hold up.  I figured if they could stand up to the vibration of a Harley, they could stand up to anything   ;D

I'm sorry to hear that life is getting in the way of fun stuff.  Hopefully that stuff will work itself out...
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Feb 15, 2014, 16:17:24
Well crap, that's unfortunate the Dynas don't hold up.  I figured if they could stand up to the vibration of a Harley, they could stand up to anything   ;D

I'm sorry to hear that life is getting in the way of fun stuff.  Hopefully that stuff will work itself out...

Different frequency of vibration..by the time a Harley is running out of RPM, the 360 is just starting to move....Heck, a 360 doesn't make any real power until 5000 RPM and up.... Pretty much double the frequency of a Harley.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Feb 15, 2014, 17:46:35
Good point.  It's annoying that what should be a damn near indestructible solid state device is so vulnerable.  We'll have to see what Sonreir and PJ whip up  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Brodie on Feb 15, 2014, 20:33:48
Damn this is not what I want to hear. I have just finished putting a dyna system on my gs.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Feb 16, 2014, 07:47:24
I think you're a lot safer with a 4 cylinder 750 that with one of our buzzy little 2 cylinder 360s.  As Mydlyfkryzis said, you have to rev the piss out of them to make power, and you do get a free "massage" along the way. 

I'm still going to dig around for them and whatever other neat junk I can find at today's swap meet.  I might be able to use them on a later project or get them to folks who can use them.  I swear I probably saw half a dozen of them at the last swap meet I was at and didn't even think about what I was looking at.  Ah well. 
Title: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Feb 16, 2014, 12:05:58
I have A 750 and a 360.  The 750 is a WHOLE lot smoother than the 360. 


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Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 17, 2014, 02:08:19
The fours mount ignition on crank, 360 is on head so gets real 'warm' Pretty sure it's the heat that 'kills' them, temp regularly gets over 250f
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Worst cb650 ever on Feb 17, 2014, 10:25:08
No wonder the 360s love the synthetic oil so much.  I was worried my timing was advanced from the amount of heat the 360 was kicking out.

I didn't have any luck finding a Dynatech or other electronic ignition setup anyway.  One guy had a 10+ year old unit "new in the box" that he would "let" me have for $250  ::)  At least I picked up a turn signal / license plate bracket for the CBR900.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 18, 2014, 12:01:40
Fitting 100w headlight to Katana, thought I'd be 'clever' and wire clutch safety switch through relay so headlight goes out when clutch pulled and button pressed
Well, that didn't work (without fitting a relay to power relay to work high/low  ::) )
Back hurting today, need to find my painkillers  :(
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 20, 2014, 03:53:34
Finally got Katana running, pissed petrol everywhere, pinhole in fuel line  :(
It's molded 90 degree, I made a union to fit tap and used the old fitting soldered in to make a 90.  ;D
Trying an experiment, (worthy of Ichiban  ;) )
Had some heat barrier but not enough to do all of tank bottom, so, aluminium foil tape for AC got used.
No idea if it will help keep fuel cooler or if it will fall off tank base when hot? (I did spend some time de-greasing base of tank)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Katana/Katanatankexperiment.jpg)

Fitting soldered in
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Katana/Katfuelfitting1.jpg)

Finished piece
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Katana/Katfuelfitting2.jpg)

It kept me busy and amused for the day  ;D


Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Feb 20, 2014, 15:35:26
The glue on that true "Duct" tape is unbelievable.

It should hold up to the temps just fine.

I hope you never want to get that stuff off the tank.



Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 21, 2014, 14:45:45
That's good to know, didn't seem so great for duct repair, probably didn't get all the dust off.
I cleaned and de-greased tank so hopefully it will 'never' move  8)
Bike seems to be running fine considering it hasn't been ridden for over a year, guess starting it up every couple of weeks helped prevent carbs s gumming up.
Damn elbow is hurting where surgery was performed, worse than hand (that's only tingling. same as 3+ yrs ago)
Only did 10 miles to bike 'club' and 10 miles home, back not too bad last night but not so good today. May be a long time before I can ride any decent distance (100+ mile club run, etc)  :(
Title: Re: Yet another CB360 ( or two?)
Post by: timberwolffxdl on Mar 05, 2014, 14:38:10
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/CB360-5.jpg)
3. 2mm oversize pistons. Cylinder has been bored but not honed to size

what piston to wall clearance did you bore to and what clearance to finish to after the hone?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 06, 2014, 01:15:45
Bore around 0.002" undersize and hone to 0.0015"~0.0017" bigger than piston  (about 0.002"~0.003" honing)
 There are pics in here somewhere
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: timberwolffxdl on Mar 06, 2014, 09:35:19
I read through the thread a few weeks ago, but honestly, 54 pages long...it's a bit of work to find specific info to just this part of the build.  I have been running through google, and EVERY thing I come across about the GS850 pistons has a response where someone says you've done and posted details.  But I can never find a good, clear writeup on just that mod.  This thread is the best I've been able to find.

Have you done any sort of tech article on just the big bore mod?  I'd be interested in seeing something with the details of how you did it.  Piston selection, rings, gaskets, what got machined (heads, cylinder base.head mating surface) any head mods, etc. 

Heck, I'd even help as yours is probably together and mine is ready to get started to step by step before and after pics can still be taken.

Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Mar 06, 2014, 11:18:53
The GS850 pistons are pretty much a straight swap.  They have a slightly higher deck height than the CB360 pistons, so make sure you don't take too much, if any, metal out of the stack.  Other than that, you're just boring the cylinders to accept them.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: timberwolffxdl on Mar 06, 2014, 11:24:15
The GS850 pistons are pretty much a straight swap.  They have a slightly higher deck height than the CB360 pistons, so make sure you don't take too much, if any, metal out of the stack.  Other than that, you're just boring the cylinders to accept them.
seems I've read about shaving the head .025"?  also, will pretty much any vanilla gasket set work?  I may be remembering wrong, but I thought I saw something where PJ said to use other gaskets either for the head or base.  I've also seen some folks talk about doubling up a gasket to maintain p-to-v clearance.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Mar 06, 2014, 11:28:58
Email Lani at Copper Gaskets Unlimited.  You won't be able to use stock head gaskets after boring the cylinders 2mm over.  I would skip shaving the head until after you complete your clearance checks.  It's a lot harder to add metal back on than it is to take more off (ask me how I know).
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: timberwolffxdl on Mar 06, 2014, 11:31:49
Email Lani at Copper Gaskets Unlimited.  You won't be able to use stock head gaskets after boring the cylinders 2mm over.  I would skip shaving the head until after you complete your clearance checks.  It's a lot harder to add metal back on than it is to take more off (ask me how I know).
which is why I have 3.5 motors in the garage and haven't sold any of them yet.  Easier to pull a part off another motor than add metal  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 06, 2014, 12:11:27
which is why I have 3.5 motors in the garage and haven't sold any of them yet.  Easier to pull a part off another motor than add metal  ;D

Pity your so far from Florida, I need a spare motor  ;)
Get a 1/16" thick head gasket with a 69.5mm 'hole' and a 1/32" copper base gasket, stock sizes
Lani has made quite a few of them by now (I can't remember if I've had 4 or 5 and I know he did at least 5 more in one session)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Mar 06, 2014, 18:07:45
Yeah, he made a copper gasket for me too.

I still have the GS850, you want me to drag it down to Florida in Oct?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 16, 2014, 04:04:24
Had a fun afternoon making and fixing electronic stuff.
Modified my soldering iron to have low and high power (cut lead, fitted a lamp switch and a bridging diode, when 'OFF" AC goes through diode and cuts power by roughly half. Couldn't get accurate temps as tip is so small but it looks like 500+f to less than 300f.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/Solderingironmod1.png)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/Solderingironmod2.jpg)
Then I repaired an LED running light, all 3 LED's were burned out
It was probably 9~10 volt being run on 12~14 volt.
 I cut copper track and fitted a resistor so it now works fine up to 13.7 volts.
Original LED's were 3mm but there is room for 5mm, may have to modify lens (when I find it  ;D )
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/repaieredLEDenlargedx8or9-1.png)
The circuit board is probably about an inch long, picture is enlarged a few times  ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/LEDRepair-3mmto5mm.png)
 After that I removed clear LED's from some instrument lights I bought and fitted superbright amber LED's in place (with correct resistors) plus fitted new leads to the 'neutral' light  (green LED, wires were only held on by the heat shrink tube  ::)
 My first actual foray into electronics that worked exactly as expected  8) ;D
All simple enougth stuff but I needed to do something I could actually finish for a change
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 16, 2014, 12:40:44
Forgot to mention, also picked up a right side footrest hanger for a CB400f to fit on 'Blue Bike'.
Moves footrest back about 3"~4" not as radical as full on rearsets
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 06, 2014, 00:03:36
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck
My CJ391 has been stolen
It's in Britain somewhere. Was stolen from shed in South Wales
I'm wondering if it was the same people who stole the last one a few years ago.
I didn't contest that so they got a 'free bike'
This one I'm really pissed about
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/XS650/1977CJ250.jpg)
It's real distinctive as it has modified RD350 carbs, 70mm pistons, 'custom' exhaust, Maico rear mudguard, GS125 headlight Yamaha XT350 handlebars, CB250 tank, orange seat, plus, it's yellow
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: irk miller on Sep 06, 2014, 00:06:31
Fucking A, PJ. I'm really sorry about this.


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Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 06, 2014, 00:09:09
Heading over to all the forums I post in, I want it back  >:(
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 04, 2014, 01:39:25
No word about bike  :(
Replaced some missing images that Photobucket 'lost' a while ago, about half way through thread
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: focusinprogress on Oct 23, 2014, 13:16:09
I've finally made the time to read this entire thread and I love your attitude towards fabricating anything cool to fit. I have a cb360 that just let go one cylinder late in the season and have a spare locked up motor..... I'd love to pick your brain on where you mentioned GS500 liners/pistons for a 422cc build.....I have 450t valves to do larger on the head, and want to do your cam mods for improved oiling......also very interested in that ignition you started working on because I also managed to acquire some ninja ex650 throttle bodies that nearly fit straight on and I could convert to EFI with microsquirt......
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 23, 2014, 14:04:05
You can fit almost any pistons in any engine, the only important bits are the diameter and crown height
Crown height is most important, more than +/- 1mm makes life a lot more difficult
Anything that fits between stud spacing can work (less about 8~10mm for liner thickness and oil passage clearance)
Skirt length is easy to change if too long
Measure the smallest diagonal between cylinder studs for max piston size
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Erskine on Oct 23, 2014, 18:59:02
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck
My CJ391 has been stolen
It's in Britain somewhere. Was stolen from shed in South Wales
I'm wondering if it was the same people who stole the last one a few years ago.
I didn't contest that so they got a 'free bike'
This one I'm really pissed about
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/XS650/1977CJ250.jpg)
It's real distinctive as it has modified RD350 carbs, 70mm pistons, 'custom' exhaust, Maico rear mudguard, GS125 headlight Yamaha XT350 handlebars, CB250 tank, orange seat, plus, it's yellow

Was it stolen from the Garw?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 23, 2014, 19:18:05
From Aberkenfig.
Keep an eye out though, the last one ended up in the west country
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Erskine on Oct 24, 2014, 17:20:53
I remember seeing a 360 scrambler in one of the sheds behind the Ffaldau (after the scrotes had burnt it down 2 days before we were going to buy it) It was covered in junk but had a painted frame and a similar exhaust, I always wondered if it was one of yours. This must have been in 2010 though.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 25, 2014, 02:13:09
Yep, that's mine. My brother moved it  ::)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Duchat on Oct 25, 2014, 18:02:46
Are you guys typing with your foreheads? Those can't be words.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 26, 2014, 16:02:41
 ;D
'Foreigners'
 ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 27, 2014, 01:34:26
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 27, 2014, 09:30:53
Now your just showing off  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 27, 2014, 12:03:18
I love that word.  It's probably my favorite in any language.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Erskine on Oct 27, 2014, 18:10:40
There's only 4 Welsh words you need to know:

Ach-y-fi ....... disgusting
Tidy ............ good
Cwtch ......... cuddle
Wanker ........ wanker



Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 10, 2015, 19:55:41
Had a rough few months, haven't done anything on bike.
Tried starting it a few weeks ago, battery doesn't hold charge very well and has a dead cell. Been thinking about making a mini 'super cap' bank using 5.5v 1 FARAD supercapacitors.
Got some used ones cheap off eBay before Christmas, just got around to doing something with them.
Got a piece of copper clad board and drew out 'circuit' with a sharpie  ;D
No idea what sort of amps I'll get so widened up copper tracks to about 3/16"
For a first ever attempt at making a circuit board and making etchant,  I think it came out OK (usable  ;) )
Needs a little bit more cleaning up with acetone (brake cleaner  ;) ) then I'll solder the caps on
Should end up about 4"x3"x3/4", no idea of weight yet but will be pounds lighter than the 7Ahr battery
May not work, may expolde, but, it was an interesting afternoon project

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/First%20ever%20etched%20board.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Maritime on Feb 11, 2015, 09:54:28
Kool.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 14, 2015, 22:15:18
Soldered all the caps in place, found out I should have tested them first as one was bad.  :(
I think eBay seller knew as there was a 'spare'  ???
Weighed the almost complete set up, about 5 ounces compared to 6pounds for battery  8)
Anyway, still messing around with bench power supply and voltmeter checking the charge on each cap
They are not charging evenly, but, with 12.7v applied, max loading on any cap is 5.47v
Some are only approaching 4v and others less than 3v but are improving with use
 I've ordered some 5.6v zener diodes to prevent the 'good' ones getting over-charged
 Connected a 12v/35w headlight for load only runs or about 20sec but the caps are tiny so I'm OK with it.
Also ordered another set of new (instead of the real cheap used) they should be closer to balanced plus, small enough to keep in pocket if the used set blows up (should be able to get back the same distance as I went out  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Feb 14, 2015, 22:37:01
pic ?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 15, 2015, 01:28:33
Managed to destroy the headlight bulb shorting out individual caps, forgot incandescent bulb doesn't like sudden surge current  with 12.6v and unknown amps when I got to the end :o
I connected a 4w bulb and got fed up waiting for it to go out after I took input power away. 
Individual caps were still showing slight voltage when I disconnected light completely
The individual caps are getting batter as they are being used, I read somewhere they will need 'conditioning' by charging to their max and discharging several times. They were only a few bucks as used parts so I'm going to experiment a bit (had them a while, forgot how much I paid for them, probably less than $10.00)
Though of a way to make a connector, just cut board to make a spade connector, not doing it tonight though
Going to add a small pair of 16v 1000uF caps to hopefully absorb any voltage spikes, no real idea what I'm doing but I am having fun doing it ;D
Added some 16v caps, the little ones
Oh,need to re drill the mounting holes, should have actually measured instead of getting totally carried away and guessing  :o

Some pics I just took

The cap pack, full size
Almost all look pretty beat up even afterI cleaned the rust off  ;D
The double black line denotes the negative side
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/Cap%20pack%204.jpg)

Some messy soldering,I need more practice  :D
Dragging solder around the traces just to see if I could and how difficult it would be. Cap I changed out at bottom on solder tile thing
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/Cap%20pack%203.jpg)

13.2 volts input from power supply, 5.14 at cap. That particular one seemed to charge up real quick but could also read over 6V which isn't good for it. cycling from full to empty a few times seems to have made it more stable?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/Cap%20pack%202.jpg)

14.1volts input, 5.45v at cap. The circle is where the faulty cap 'lived', couldn't be one of the outside ones needed changing  >:( ;D
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Electrical%20and%20electronics/Cap%20pack%201.jpg)
 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Feb 15, 2015, 07:13:54
Thats pretty dang cute. ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 15, 2015, 09:40:10
.................and if it actually works on the bike it will be even better  ;D
I was hoping Mydlyf would chime in and tell me why it wont work (or not  ;) )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Feb 15, 2015, 09:48:08
I would just like to see it crank starter motor!   :o ::) ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 15, 2015, 10:02:00
I would have to fit a starter to do that  ;D
You can get a Cap Pack to do it, $99.00 though. You know I'm too broke to do that  ???
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Feb 16, 2015, 01:16:51
I am not a fan of stacking caps like that.  The chance of failure is much higher.   for instance, a single engine airplane has a chance of failing.  The number is low. A four engine plane, using the same engine, is 16 times more likely to have an engine failure.  Of course, one engine planes having a failure is much more dire than a 4 engine plane having one engine fail, but the analogy is a correct one.

One big cap has a MTBF.   12 little ones have a 12^2 (144 times) chance of failure.  In your case, a cap failing can take a fuse out, so you have the same capacity as a larger cap, with a higher chance of failure.

Since you are not using the highest quality and grade capacitors, your mileage may vary. 

Your idea is sound, and the series cap is a neat idea....But I would still get a higher rated cap. the charge of the cap is not based on the rating directly, so a 100 volt rated cap would not charge any higher (Charge state depends on voltage source).  However, it would be less stressed.....

It is a good proof of concept...but if I was relying on the caps to get me home, I would use a high voltage rating, as well as a higher quality cap....
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 16, 2015, 03:52:19
Thanks MLK, I was hoping you would take a look ;)
It's just an experiment really, I need to get multiple batteries for various 360's   :(
 I've been reading about DIY circuit boards and various etch solutions. I don't have a lazer printer or access to one (plus, haven't got a circuit I need a board for so thought I would experiment with a Sharpie and stuff I already mentioned at beginning)
Thought I'd try a 'proof of concept' as I'm pretty much only using the CB to check other peoples carbs at present so a new battery may die before I get a chance to use it
I first found out about them when they were being used for regenerative braking on electric buses in Europe,  battery couldn't cope with a sudden 'XXX' amp input so 'ultra capacitors' were developed to take the charge then distribute it slowly into battery. Made any braking or even slowing down much more efficient as there was always some charge being applied. Turns out they could hold charge so battery banks became obsolete and the buses suddenly got about a ton or more lighter  ;D
They have been used long enough to reach the half million cycles and be swapped out for new ones (apparently, nothing wrong with the ones removed)
Of course, there are probably a few thousand under the floor but if Germany says it's OK it must be safe?  ???
The 'super~ultra' capacitors are only available in low voltages as far as I know? Most are 2.7v
Charge balancing circuits are available for larger size caps
The cost ramps up dramatically for larger sizes but they can be in the thousands of Farad range and are used instead of batteries
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6X-3000F-2-7V-Maxwell-ultracapacitor-super-farad-capacitor-booster-cap-BCAP3000-/181391254764?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3bc2e4ec (http://www.ebay.com/itm/6X-3000F-2-7V-Maxwell-ultracapacitor-super-farad-capacitor-booster-cap-BCAP3000-/181391254764?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3bc2e4ec)

I was going to charge pack up again tonight, turned the power supply to zero, connected alligator clips and, it was showing 10.4volts after sitting at least 24 hrs
I turned voltage up to 14.1 and none went over 5.50v plus, the lower reading ones from yesterdays testing had come up so all are getting closer voltage which is probably a good thing  ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mydlyfkryzis on Feb 16, 2015, 23:54:56
CPJ,

You may be on to something there....Maybe a "Hybrid", a smaller battery, then some caps to do absorb and supply transients. 

Our primitive electric systems really have poor regulation, in that surges and spikes can pass through the system. 

I like your thinking.....But if you like it, get higher voltage rated caps..
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Feb 17, 2015, 00:08:03
I have a pair of 36v but they are only 18,000uF, the mini's are 1F each so with the series /parallel connections I'm getting 1.3F.
Typing this made me think about checking the charge from last night, just checked, showing 12.84v so leakage is pretty low.
 I was thinking of using the lower capacitance /higher voltage in parallel to get 36,000uF then running into the mini cap bank
Also, had a thought about load balancing without specialised circuitry.
Use two 5.6v zener diodes going opposite directions between caps, if voltage spikes it will just pass to next cap in line, if voltage stays too high, it gets passed to electrical system of bike (basically same as running an energy transfer system, caps just act as a buffer)
I had also considered a hybrid using a 4A/hr battery which is much smaller than the 7A/hr so much easier to 'hide'   ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 17, 2015, 12:34:11
CPJ,

You may be on to something there....Maybe a "Hybrid", a smaller battery, then some caps to do absorb and supply transients. 

Our primitive electric systems really have poor regulation, in that surges and spikes can pass through the system. 

I like your thinking.....But if you like it, get higher voltage rated caps..

Not to mention that single phase power kinda sucks.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MGD on Mar 04, 2015, 18:46:32
I'm just glad to read that your working on something.
Making that board at home is some cool shit, no doubt.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 08, 2015, 13:01:15
I'm just glad to read that your working on something.
Making that board at home is some cool shit, no doubt.


I'm beginning to wish I had taken pictures of the entire process.
 It really was much simpler than I thought it would be
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Chronic on Mar 08, 2015, 18:37:04
posting so i get updates   8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 11, 2015, 06:22:45
Haven't had inclination to do much since being told to resign from Bankers Life and Casualty Company.
I think I was 'conned' into getting an insurance agent licence as manager implied selling insurance wasn't too difficult plus they supplied leads and training.
When I asked about 'cold calling' and 50,000miles or more driving he said there wasn't any which was a total lie, you were expected to knock on peoples doors inn the evenings and on weekends. One of the other agents had driven more than 20k in 3 months  :o
Basic cost was $318.00 for training and state licence, plus travel, food, etc.
It took from mid January until end of Feb to get things sorted out, Iwas 'assigned' March first and escorted off the premises 4th April
Probably cost around a grand total for the almost 5 weeks I was 'employed'. 'They' tell you it's your own business that you are building but you have to be in the office Monday and Friday to make phone calls plus Saturday 8:30~ 9 til 1:00.
I don't believe I was even given a fair chance, the company normally  'gives' 90 days  for you to get going and start ripping people off while pretending to be their best friends and looking out for their interests. I guess I'm just not dishonest enough to be an insurance salesman  >:(
Anyway,  I have been playing on lathe, made a few tach plugs and faced a couple or few billets for starter plugs, also playing with porting on 360 head plus a few other things and the usual 'make carbs work with K&N filters'.
No pictures t look at though, maybe in a few days
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on May 11, 2015, 11:28:53
My friend is following the same path. He gets pay for two years before going to straight commission. It might depend on the company.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on May 11, 2015, 11:29:09
Also... I'll take three of those tach plugs when they're ready. ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 11, 2015, 12:27:12
Hi Matt,
I'll get starter plugs done as well and send everything at once
The commissions are real high, where does the money come from - the way overpriced premiums
At least 50% (and probably closer to 80% or more) of premium goes nowhere near anything insurable, it's why insurance companies make obscene profits
It's just that people have gotten used to being ripped off for such a long time it's considered 'normal'
I always suspected it was the case, now I know for sure that insurance agents are scumbags  >:(
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on May 11, 2015, 13:44:12
No starter plugs for me. Just the tach.

Thanks, Pete.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: frogman on May 12, 2015, 09:58:49
I my father is a Crop Adjuster, poor feller that has to interface with the customer and the insurance company. No cold calls or selling, just verifying claim information and getting pictures and what not for the company. He has a great time doing it, does drive quite a bit though but they pay him well per mile.

Made pretty decent money over the last 8 years, more than he probably would have farming anyway, might actually get to retire before he's 80.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 12, 2015, 11:48:54
That's the job I would like, just bikes though
Plenty get crashed and automatically written off because the adjusters are generally car guys so take claims as written out
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: advCo on May 14, 2015, 22:30:13
Is it too late for me to sign up for one of those pretty little tach plugs?  ::)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 15, 2015, 01:19:28
Send a PM  ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Texasstar on May 16, 2015, 14:59:49
Any news on the stolen bike?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 21, 2015, 04:32:37
Nope, nothing  :(
 I have made some progress today though, washed all my jeans and most of the clean up towels in garage while wife was in work  ;D
Even made a fixture to hold the tach plugs I made 0.020" too long  ::)
They are all now correct length and fit speedo drive and cylinder head hole  8)
Next up, make a few starter plugs and maybe finally finish fork brace for mydlyfkysis  ;)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Tach%20plug%20fixture.jpg)

.........and just a couple of tach/speedo plugs.
Doubt I'll make any more 'pointy' ones, the extra work wasn't much fun
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Couple%20of%20tach-speedo%20plugs.jpg)
 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jun 04, 2015, 05:10:07
I'm selling some parts I had stashed, maybe even get to Barber this year if things work out?  ;)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Jul 26, 2015, 23:01:53
Howdy PJ.  Believe it or not I read through this thread two or three times a year just to refresh my memory and to keep up on "things 360".  I just finished my latest peruse and it occurs that you haven't said much about the charging system on these.  Is there some repair/replacement/update of the stator that can/should be done to help things along?  My hybrid (bastard?) build is finally picking up speed and I figured that if there is something to be done now would be the time to do it.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 28, 2015, 18:43:12
Personally I haven't had any issues with charging systems
I do fit 'new' full wave regulator/rectifier and use all the alternator outputs separately instead of connecting white/yellow together (I've used CB/CM400t units since they were available from crashed bikes although I also use whatever is available)
 Brendon has had some major issues with his but only since it was re-wired (by someone else  ;D )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Jul 28, 2015, 21:22:44
Personally I haven't had any issues with charging systems
I do fit 'new' full wave regulator/rectifier and use all the alternator outputs separately instead of connecting white/yellow together (I've used CB/CM400t units since they were available from crashed bikes although I also use whatever is available)
 Brendon has had some major issues with his but only since it was re-wired (by someone else  ;D ) 

Thanx for the word, "young fellow", I am considering getting a Sparck Moto wiring harness done for it, so I'll go w/ one of his reg/rec units.  Nice to know I shouldn't have to do too much to that part of things.  Pretty much everything else is getting adulterated on the little beast, it'll be unexpected to have something "untouched" on it. 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 29, 2015, 13:00:07
Really, the only thing to make sure of is try and keep motor above 2,000 rpm.
Unless there is physical damage to stator, I've never seen one fail (in over 37yrs)
Usually someone has trapped wiring when changing sprocket, stator is fine but isn't actually connected to wiring harness/reg/rect, etc
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: clr.R4tch3t on Sep 10, 2015, 02:56:02
Alright PJ.. I have survived all 12 million pages of this. First off, hope your health and aches are getting better. I know the military has done a number on me and I feel like I am 90 years old.. (but only 28 haha). Second, hope your bike turns up soon and isn't gone forever. Third, I would like to pick your brain on the oiling issues of the 360. I will link your pictures where applicable to help the class follow along. I really hope this isn't going to turn into a book.  ;D

I have seen the oil flow screen shot you posted up (pic below paragraph). I like the idea of bypassing the internal oil filter (seems a little hokey to me) and the oil pressure regulator (?) built into the clutch cover. I did modify it, as you have (pic below), just in case I don't change it. I like the idea of a spin on, easy to change filter better. Do you think a pressure regulator is necessary to prevent too much oil pressure? Is it even possible to have too much oil pressure in this motor with so many 'lack of oil' issues?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/aanpassingsmeersysteem.png)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB360oilmod-4.jpg)

Next, have you completed an external oil line setup on a motor yet? I have seen your picture on the gun drilled cam, the hole drilled and recessed in the cam cover as well as the hole drilled and tapped in the clutch cover.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Camanddrill.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378camcovermod.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/CB378clutchcovermod.jpg)
What I am unsure about is how the hole in the cam cover feeds the holes in the cam? Drilling the center cam bearing for oil in the head is pretty self explanatory. Are these angle holes drilled to line up with the holes drilled in the cam and keep the oil baths full?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/RHcambearing.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Honda%20CB360/Middlecambearing.jpg)

And finally, if you are bypassing the internal oil filter and valve, do you think you need the external oil line? You wouldn't risk 'dumping' oil back into crankcase at high rpm because the valve that would do that is obsolete. Also, if the holes in the case that feed the head are drilled bigger (and you used those holes in the head to feed oil to the cam holes you drilled) wouldn't that also take care of the problem?

I need to spend some more time with my motor to try and better understand the oil delivery, I think. I love your 'outside the box' problem solving skills that only come from years and years of just putting hard work in. Hopefully this post just stirs the pot and doesn't mess up the mojo..
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 14, 2015, 16:30:13
Your right, it isn't possible to build too much oil pressure in this motor.
 The problem is the oil transfer piece which restricts flow and 'opens'.
 Honda probably didn't intend it to be a pressure relief but thats just how it works and kills top end (maybe they did intend it hoping to sell cylinder heads?)
 You can't actually get a more efficient filter than the centrifugal one which is why my scheme doesn't bypass it. I use a small bore oil line to head which will automatically restrict flow when oil is cold (forcing it to flow through 'filter') and feed through line when hot. The stream isn't directed through the cam drilling's on the 'Mk I, leakage is minimised by using a slightly larger thrust washer on cam end so oil would rather go through gun drilled cam. When pressure is OK it feeds just like a normal system. If pressure gets too high and dumps oil back into crankcase, the feed line will put oil into cam bearings and 'should' back-feed forcing oil from the head down as the high pressure is before the 'dump' (it's just a theory, as long as cam bearings and rockers don't get damaged I don't really care how it works  ;D )
The Mk II version was going to have a different placement for oil feed pipe and a dedicated end piece with 'O' ring's plus tubular banjo bolt to direct oil deeper into drilled cam, I just haven't gotten around to it since it hasn't been needed
 Oh, if your logged in it's only18 pages which is quite short compared to many threads (at least on my computer  ;) ) Don't know if wide-screen desktop makes a difference?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 14, 2015, 17:35:20
So rather that altering the bypass valve, why not remove it completely?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 15, 2015, 18:53:56
The production variations in clutch cover depth means you must have some sort of sealed transfer piece, the original spring loaded works fine until oil pressure gets too high (a major fault of the trochoidal pump - it's just TOO GOOD)
I haven't bothered to engineer a replacement but have thought about a positive seal similar to the transfer seal and tube at base of clutch cover (oil runs through idler gear shaft)
CB350 and CB450 DOHC have the same issue when racing and rpm gets up around 10,500~12,000. With stock redline they don't generally seize cam bearings but it's pretty common on race bikes. I have no idea why people assumed pump is too small or doesn't deliver enough oil to top end?
 It's really a design flaw by Honda, using thicker oil makes top end destroy itself much quicker than using a 5w synthetic
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 17, 2015, 18:09:00
I 'made' an Instructable about trying to remove cylinder from 1968 Suzuki T305.
It's stuck really good due to corrosion between stud hole and cylinder stud.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Super-stuck-two-stroke-cylinder-47yrs/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Super-stuck-two-stroke-cylinder-47yrs/)
Take a look, go to orange 'flag' at top right and vote for me, I need more stuff  ;D (you can log in with Google, facebook, etc so don't need to join instructables to vote)
It's a fairly common problem on some bikes where studs are exposed but rare when they are completely 'hidden.
Prior to this, the worst I'd ever had to work on was a 5~6 yr old Honda CBX 750.
 That has a stainless steel 'wrap' around the cylinder studs which are open to the elements.

I'm in the process of making a couple more 'Instructables', How to PROPERLY Measure Piston and Cylinder (may even get a vid?) and Honing Cylinder Oversize for New Pistons and Rings
 You can let me know here if there is any interewst in other stuff.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 19, 2015, 16:25:35
3rd day we have no home phone. 'Shitehouse networks' are coming to take a look later  ::)
'Hello Fiend'
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Mcgoo on Oct 01, 2015, 13:32:58
This is a great thread - Thanks
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Oct 04, 2015, 19:06:36
Because there has been so much confusion and downright wrong information on internet about how to measure a piston and cylinder, I made another 'Instructable' hoping to get two in the competition. Unfortunately I was too late to enter but I did it anyway.
Here's link
http://www.instructables.com/id/The-correct-way-to-measure-a-cylinder-bore-and-mea/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/The-correct-way-to-measure-a-cylinder-bore-and-mea/)
This is the correct way to measure piston and get piston to cylinder clearance
 There are way cheaper alternatives to find piston/cylinder clearance which are 'accurate' to about 0.0015" but really not accurate enough for any type of long life or 'performance'   ;D
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Dec 11, 2015, 21:21:38
Hey PJ, I don't remember reading if you've gotten any horsepower numbers on a 378.  That 22cc increase in displacement is a bit less than a 6.5% increase in displacement.  I was wondering if you have numbers on the increase in power.  Just curious.  (I've got a set of GS850 pistons on the way.   ;D  )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Dec 12, 2015, 19:15:25
Nope, too much clutch slip when I had it on dyno.
 Numbers were all over the place with around 41bhp  max at rear wheel (the claimed 36bhp at crank is a bit of a stretch, Japanese must have used Shetland ponies to measure  ;D ;D )
There is a pic of print out somewhere here
Brendon's bike has been clocked at 115mph and 22BHP on one cylinder   :o (broke piston on the other side)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Jlama on Jan 13, 2016, 02:33:44
what size cooper gasket did you use for the 378 build
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 13, 2016, 18:38:57
69.5mm bore, gives slight clearance for piston top and reduction in compression isn't anything to worry about
Hey PJ, I don't remember reading if you've gotten any horsepower numbers on a 378.  That 22cc increase in displacement is a bit less than a 6.5% increase in displacement.  I was wondering if you have numbers on the increase in power.  Just curious.  (I've got a set of GS850 pistons on the way.   ;D  )
Oh, there should be a picture of dyno read  out somewhere in this thread .
I'm pretty sure 'official' Honda numbers were at crank and not rear wheel?
The power gain is actually around 8~10bhp compared to normal rear wheel output (around 28~30bhp) which is out of proportion to the capacity increase
Who says you can't get something for nothing  ;D (fuel consumption does increase a little if you beat on it though)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Jlama on Jan 16, 2016, 07:08:56
Hi pj

was curious if you could give me measurements of copper  gaskets for thickness and bore size doing  gs850 pistons in my cb360  . i reached out to lani to make a copper gasket for me and thats what he asked for if you could be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 16, 2016, 08:28:55
This is the correct way to measure piston and get piston to cylinder clearance

Top value information!

Crazy
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jan 18, 2016, 00:29:51
Get gaskets about 69.50mm bore size.
You can use 69mm same as bore but I've found they need relieving slightly so piston top doesn't touch them when hot and they expand into bore
I may try 69.25 sometime (or maybe not as I have a few gaskets ready for use  ;D )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: MrMister on Mar 07, 2016, 01:32:51
From your experience, do you think cb360's work better with 2 into 1, or keeping them 2-2?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Mar 08, 2016, 14:01:58
Because of the 180 degree crank they should work better with a 2:2 but I haven't found a lot of difference.
On the street it doesn't really matter much which you use but if I was building a 'race' motor I would probably go with a 2:2
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Apr 15, 2016, 23:31:26
I'm about to order a copper head gasket from Lani for my 378.  Is 1.06mm thick and the bores cut to 69.5mm is right?  Thanx! 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 16, 2016, 12:33:22
1.06 is same as stock thickness. Bores at 69.5 give 0.25mm clearance at top of cylinder. 69mm will 'move' into combustion chamber when hot and can contact piston crown
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Apr 16, 2016, 17:02:43
1.06 is same as stock thickness. Bores at 69.5 give 0.25mm clearance at top of cylinder. 69mm will 'move' into combustion chamber when hot and can contact piston crown 

Excellent!  1.06mm & 69.5mm is what I'll order then, thanx! 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 17, 2016, 17:48:06
You need to check piston to valve clearances with some clay (plasticene on top of piston)
There were production variations over the years and some GS piston combo's get a little close to head/valves
It's the reason I don't recommend skimming 0.020" off head and/or block any longer.
Honda probably bumped the compression slightly but didn't tell anyone? (sounds reasonable to me  ;D )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Apr 17, 2016, 22:08:49
You need to check piston to valve clearances with some clay (plasticene on top of piston)
There were production variations over the years and some GS piston combo's get a little close to head/valves
It's the reason I don't recommend skimming 0.020" off head and/or block any longer.
Honda probably bumped the compression slightly but didn't tell anyone? (sounds reasonable to me  ;D ) 

Understood, thanx!  I figure the thing is going to be more healthy, that's the idea, right?  However when it's all said and done it's still a 40+ year old less than half-liter bike that will never be a 'Busa or anything close so why try and take the specs out to the edge to gain a half horse or a few extra RPMs.  I hope to make it run and run well, but don't intend to get obsessed with trying to squeeze out every last bit of possible gain.    8)   
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 18, 2016, 12:49:31
One thing that will 'scare' other bigger bike owners, just how damn quick it can get off the line and to around ~60mph without appearing to be revving stupid high. Launch around 5~6K and rev it to normal red-line
Unless your with a group who know what they are doing, you won't have much if any problem  on 80~90mph roads  8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Apr 18, 2016, 12:50:47
You need to check piston to valve clearances with some clay (plasticene on top of piston)
There were production variations over the years and some GS piston combo's get a little close to head/valves
It's the reason I don't recommend skimming 0.020" off head and/or block any longer.
Honda probably bumped the compression slightly but didn't tell anyone? (sounds reasonable to me  ;D )

+1

I swapped over to GS850 pistons with .040" skimmed and had clearance issues.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 21, 2016, 11:08:58
Been screwing around with Jeep Liberty transmission last few (months?)
42RLE is a weak point on them but Liberty owners groups get real upset when you mention how fucked up they get.
All the planetary gears are totally trashed but all the clutch friction and steel plates just about perfect
I think son-in - law or stepdaughter did a 'bootleg turn from reverse to forward and broke it but everyone is saying they were ' just driving along'
Does anyone know of any modifications other than enlarging hole in valve plate and modifying one of the shuttle valves?(without spending any more money)
Surprised the parts were not totally outrageous, around $700.00 with shipping (modified trans around $6,000, re-build, ~$1,600 minimum)
Here's some pics of carnage
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ATV/Jeep%20trans3.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ATV/Jeep%20trans4.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ATV/Jeep%20trans2.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ATV/Jeep%20trans%201.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ATV/Jeep%20trans5.jpg)
sorry that one is so blurry, trying to get pic of the 'removed' gear teeth  ;)
This is service manual pic of the parts
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/ATV/Planetary%20gears.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Apr 21, 2016, 15:31:10
Been screwing around with Jeep Liberty transmission last few (months?)
42RLE is a weak point on them but Liberty owners groups get real upset when you mention how fucked up they get.
All the planetary gears are totally trashed but all the clutch friction and steel plates just about perfect
I think son-in - law or stepdaughter did a 'bootleg turn from reverse to forward and broke it but everyone is saying they were ' just driving along'
Does anyone know of any modifications other than enlarging hole in valve plate and modifying one of the shuttle valves?(without spending any more money)
Surprised the parts were not totally outrageous, around $700.00 with shipping (modified trans around $6,000, re-build, ~$1,600 minimum)
Here's some pics of carnage

I'm certainly not an auto transmission guy, but it seems like that's a whole bunch more damage than would just all of a sudden happen.  Put it back together, pour in some sawdust, & trade it in quick? 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 22, 2016, 11:01:36
It won't run at all with the trashed gears so that hasn't been an option.
They paid almost $20,000 for it about 10 yrs ago, it's only worth about $1,500 as a non-runner (trans happened about 3 months after I re-built top of engine)
  It's only worth about $4,500~$5,000 so a 'new' transmission was hardly worthwhile.
As it is though, when I did top end the ports were cleaned up slightly, exhaust manifolds cleaned up a lot
The piss poor casting cores for front cylinders were probably why trans failed after top end re-build, 6 cylinders actually making power instead of 4 plus 2 'just hanging around  ;D ('holes' for front cyls either side only about 1-1/4", the other 4 about 1-3/4"x 1-1/2")
 At least cast iron grinds easy ;)
With all new parts it should be good for at least another 150,000 miles.
The same trans is used in Dodge Charger and Challenger, it can take the power (up to 500bhp) but the weight of Jeep may be the issue?
 I'm going to do some mods to make trans more reliable (they are real simple as far as I can tell)
 Back to bikes soon  8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Maritime on Apr 22, 2016, 11:21:53
Is the failure do to lack of proper lubrication? Cooling? or just that one was shit metal?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Apr 23, 2016, 12:01:52
It's done about 145,000 so material was probably OK
 Personally I think it was a deliberate 'flat out reverse, slam into drive' scenario as they are going through a divorce
Originally stepdaughter had it but son-in-law was driving when it broke.
 The 42RLE has a lot off issues with overheating but fluid was good and all the plates are in 'like new' condition (except a single plate worn slightly on one side)
All the plates in main input clutch are good, they should be the first to show wear.
Very doubtful the truth will ever come out
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Maritime on Apr 23, 2016, 13:26:41
Ah ha gotcha.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: roflhat on Sep 16, 2016, 18:20:07
Is there a noticeable change going from stock pistons to Gs850 pistons?
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: roflhat on Sep 16, 2016, 18:31:26
Also PJ I'm after a starter block off, I'm in Scotland. Please let me know if you've got any!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: irk miller on Sep 17, 2016, 09:24:51
Do you have an LKQ or similar pick and pull yard?  LKQ sells transmissions for $128.  It's sort of a crap shoot, but might be worth the gamble.  At least if you can pull from a totalled rig with low mileage.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 17, 2016, 16:04:29
Transmission is all fixed and working well.
Only issue, got wires crossed somehow above tranny, had to go to dealer to 'fix' it.
Luckily, someone there had seen the problem before so it was fixed real quick (and not too expensive)
 The cheapest we could find a used tranny was $450.00 but no guarantee it was any better than original.
Son-in-law drove it to Texas day after it was fixed, stayed a week then drove back so a pretty good test run.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: 3DogNate on Sep 18, 2016, 14:49:30
Transmission is all fixed and working well.
Only issue, got wires crossed somehow above tranny, had to go to dealer to 'fix' it.
Luckily, someone there had seen the problem before so it was fixed real quick (and not too expensive)
 The cheapest we could find a used tranny was $450.00 but no guarantee it was any better than original.
Son-in-law drove it to Texas day after it was fixed, stayed a week then drove back so a pretty good test run.

Damn if it isn't good to be handy....
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 19, 2016, 12:13:25
Is there a noticeable change going from stock pistons to Gs850 pistons?

Absolutely. I would say there's probably a 15-20% increase in power. It's almost as if Honda designed the head for a bigger engine and then didn't change anything when they went with a smaller displacement.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: roflhat on Sep 19, 2016, 17:07:07
Absolutely. I would say there's probably a 15-20% increase in power. It's almost as if Honda designed the head for a bigger engine and then didn't change anything when they went with a smaller displacement.

that much really? Going to look into this further. Anyone got links for more info on changing pistons? on other threads that have done this modification?
thanks
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 19, 2016, 17:27:09
There are probably half a dozen of us here that have done it.

This one is in progress right now.

http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70781.0
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on Sep 19, 2016, 17:30:22
that much really? Going to look into this further. Anyone got links for more info on changing pistons? on other threads that have done this modification?
thanks

PJ pretty well covers it in this thread and in one on, I believe, HondaTwins.  Go back and go through the whole thing and it's all there.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Sep 19, 2016, 21:28:30
that much really? Going to look into this further. Anyone got links for more info on changing pistons? on other threads that have done this modification?
thanks

Deviant is doing it right now.
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70781.0
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: roflhat on Sep 23, 2016, 03:25:32
Deviant is doing it right now.
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70781.0

thanks for the links, some good reading  8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Sep 24, 2016, 04:31:45
I guess anyone with a yahoo mail account has noticed the 'change password nagging due to security breach in 2014? about 500,000,000 accounts 'probably' compromised.
Anyway, I can't access any yahoo account at present so if you e-mail me don't expect a reply anytime soon. Yahoo seem to have 'shut down' customer service and only 'help' paying businesses, small business and majorones (they are complaining about ads on paid subscription, no wonder Yahoo management want to sell out to Verizon.) I managed to get an e-mail to them but the 'help' section is saying 'tough luck'.  Guess I'll find out if they intend to do anything on Monday? 18yrs of using Yahoo just to get shit on  >:(
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 04, 2017, 12:06:26
More a blog than related to motorcycles but I wanted everyone to know I'm still here.
Stepdaughter had a major meltdown last October, ended up calling police saying I attacked her......... case is up in court on 10th May.
She's 37 now so not a kid (although still act's like a 6yr old)
Wife and I have been looking after grandson since 9th Oct 2016, he was 11 months old when everything happened
He's a happy little chap and having a great time now (I spoil the heck out of him  ;D )
It is pretty much a full time job though so everything has been put on back burner for a while.
We are really lucky living next door to a park with a playground, he's there every afternoon after daycare and I'm getting a chance to get stuff done.
 Grandson is 18 months old now, learned to run and thinks it's great fun to play on 'the big kids' equipment over park, keeps doing 'gravity' experiments rolling soccer ball down the 'twirly whirly' slides then goes down after it. I have to use the stairs, lost almost 20lbs in less than 3 months (no, I'm not trying to lose weight)
Anyway, I'mmmm baaaaaaaaack  8) (sorta ;) )
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Maritime on May 04, 2017, 13:10:15
Well PJ Life happens, glad your still around and kick'n, congrats on the grandson! He'll keep you young.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: irk miller on May 04, 2017, 13:17:33
Great to see you, PJ.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on May 04, 2017, 19:34:32
Great to see you back on PJ!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 09, 2017, 11:39:42
Not the 'correct' place to put this but at least it's better than in Texasstar's 'Zoid' thread
My favorite cat died Sunday night. Kat-Kat 2001(or 2002, no one knows?)~2017
The sweetest, funniest, most intelligent and arrogant (wrong word, should be 'ALOOF') cat I ever knew.
The first time he ever sat on my lap was after the elbow surgery when I was drugged up and feeling low, kinda knew and wanted to make things better
Years ago, he brought a family of racoon's home, the largest was probably 3ft tall. Looked like he invited them to supper (funny but a hell of a shock to see on patio) Stepdaughter said he herded ducklings back to their mother/water so they wouldn't end up in the roadway. More recently he watched over Jaxon and 'lured' him away from things (would flopdown about 2 ft away from him then move when Jaxon got close enough)
In 2012 he brought 'Pauli' home as a little white abandoned kitten (Pauli because she's polydactyl, 6 toes )
http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Mazda%20Pickup/KATZ/Kat-Kat-1.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Mazda%20Pickup/KATZ/Kat-Kat-1.jpg)
 This is the last picture I uploaded to Photobucket, crashed out asleep with his eyes open (almost exactly how he looked when I found him Monday morning, I'm waiting for him to wake up  :( :-[ )
Here's another from a few years ago, Kat-Kat didn't seem to mind Pauli stealing his food (her bowl is still full)
http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Mazda%20Pickup/KATZ/DSCN5488.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/Mazda%20Pickup/KATZ/DSCN5488.jpg)

Pauli saw him and I think wanted to wake him up? She took off screaming when she knew. (then terrorised a family of ducks near pond, think she killed a few ducklings?)  Kat-kat always played tag with her and expended her extra energy.
She's calmed down a bit today and actually came inside for the first time in days
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Brodie on May 09, 2017, 18:32:51
I am sorry for your loss mate. Kat-kat seems like a pretty awesome dude.

I hope you, Pauli and the rest of your family recover soon.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ridesolo on May 09, 2017, 21:07:45
Sorry to hear about Kat-Kat.  Though we have dogs, I'm really a cat person at heart so I can appreciate your pain.  My last cat was Cole (he was jet black - Cole=coal).  He was a great guy and got me through some tough times when I was living alone.  Poor guy got diabetes at 13 years old and went from 18# to less than 10#. We knew when it was time to let him go. 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 10, 2017, 12:20:05
Thanks everyone.
Had to think back on 'the good times'
He was with me through the lay off and when I found my back was totally screwed up.
One time, the little shit disappeared for 3 months, I was convinced something had got him. Then he turns up all 'what's the fuss?'
He often 'went missing' for a few weeks and a couple of days was 'normal' (even after he brought Pauli home)
He was much more of a 'stay at home last few years though (probably because he was 'getting on'?)
Still chased up and down trees until about 3~4 weeks ago.
Thinking about it, Pauli had similar symptoms for around 2~3 weeks but probably recovered OK as she is much younger? Kat -Kat went suddenly downhill, like 3 days total.
Last Thursday my granddaughter asked if he was a boy or girl cat because he looked pregnant? ('boy' but 'done' several years ago)
That reminds me of another story. The day he came back from vet, he shit on wife's pillow then went into stepdaughters room (she brought him home) and shit on her bed. Left all my stuff alone, I didn't even know he was 'being done'  ;D
About the only 'positive' I can think of, I know exactly where he is now
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: mitch360 on May 11, 2017, 06:38:28
hey guys, just wondering if there are any more speedo eliminators floating around. or where to find one
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: 3DogNate on May 11, 2017, 17:32:45
hey guys, just wondering if there are any more speedo eliminators floating around. or where to find one

@crazypj is where I got mine. Don't know if he's still turning them in his spare time or not. if you can get the critical dimensions and make a sketch... a local machine shop (job shop) should be able to turn you one pretty quick. I'll add that you can also just cap off the speedo drive also and just turn the cable attachment part up behind the fork leg.. barely noticeable without looking for it...
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on May 12, 2017, 17:00:22
I still have material to make them but I'm 'playing catch up' due to events last year (getting more serious, have to be in court as witness for 2 weeks from next Monday)
I have 4 sets of 360 carbs to do and a set of CB350 on the way plus cylinder head for someone due this month
As 'everyone' is aware (at least I hope so) I do all this stuff as a hobby so charge way less than a dealership or 'shadetree'/backstreet shop. Things are coming along but I'm not treating them as a full time job (see post on Texasstar's 'Zoid/200' thread)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jun 02, 2017, 23:57:30
I think I mentioned I was 'playing' with a friends T305?
 Took just over 3 yrs to get it finished as it was never going to be any form of restoration. Problem was, whenever I fixed one problem several others came to light. It's been 'finished' since mid/early April but I only just ' found' camera card and had time to upload to Photobucket. (he's bringing it back sometime so I can modify a fender to fit it, stock wouldn't work with brace, even if we had one)
Here's left and right 3/4 shots. I made several parts including the Egli inspired fork brace. It got one size wider rims front and rear and just about everything new (bored 0.5mm over, bearings, seals,shocks, and a re-wire with heat shield sheathing (mainly because it matched the colour scheme) Chris had seat recovered after I modified it to fit properly (cut about 4" off 'nose')
Forgot to take a close up of the bar ends I made, 6 amber LED's in polycarbonate to act as repeaters.

Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: interceptor on Jun 03, 2017, 08:03:37
Great job!
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: advCo on Jun 03, 2017, 10:32:02
Top notch work PJ. That is one classy machine


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Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: trek97 on Jun 03, 2017, 13:51:55
Wow PJ you built a real sweetheart.   8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jun 30, 2017, 23:32:24
Found some 35mm valves with 5.5mm stems (instead of 7mm)
Lighter than stock but not 100% sure it's going to work as they are also longer than stock by a few mm. May be enough adjustment in the screw to keep geometry correct?
It's a much bigger job than I originally thought, just finding a source of valve keepers and correct valve guide seals has been an ordeal (not paying $1450 each for seals  :o ) plus, I still haven't found valve spring retainers at a reasonable cost so I may have to make new ones from 4140 steel, not going to mess with Titanium or 7075 alloy
 Had to re-design guide tops for the smaller seals but not a major issue as I'm making new ones from (I think) aluminum bronze or maybe silicon bronze or even Manganese bronze  , I bought several different types several years ago.
I remember doing a lot of research on different types for valve guides. Aluminium bronze seemed best for high temp applications like exhaust valve guides but only OK for intakes.
Bought some new 5.5mm reamers. ::)
Timberwolf is the guinea-pig, already a month late (sorry TW)  ;D

Looks like I have to pull everything off Photobucket and find a real FREE SERVICE , they changed the rules 28th June  >:( :(
 Seems I would have to 'upgrade' to the +500 plan to get image linking plus 3rd party hosting.
As I'm only using 26% of 2GB (0.5gb by Photobucket reckoning) no way in the world am I paying $399.99/yr for 502.1 GB storage (even if I had the money I wouldn't do it)  >:(
 
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: irk miller on Jul 01, 2017, 09:03:42

Looks like I have to pull everything off Photobucket and find a real FREE SERVICE , they changed the rules 28th June  >:( :(
 Seems I would have to 'upgrade' to the +500 plan to get image linking plus 3rd party hosting.
As I'm only using 26% of 2GB (0.5gb by Photobucket reckoning) no way in the world am I paying $399.99/yr for 502.1 GB storage (even if I had the money I wouldn't do it)  >:(
Just upload to here.  Tim opened up the ability to upload and host images locally a year or two ago.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: Sonreir on Jul 01, 2017, 13:54:05
photos.google.com is free for images below a certain megapixel count.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Jul 02, 2017, 22:18:27
Just upload to here.  Tim opened up the ability to upload and host images locally a year or two ago.

I didn't know that, just re-loaded the 305 pics  8)
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: ChopperCharles on Aug 04, 2017, 02:52:19
Man, I wish those photobucket pictures all throughout this thread were still working. Really was looking forward to the read-through :)

Charles.
Title: Re: CB360's-from build to blog - 2013, MDS (Mo Dumb Shit)
Post by: crazypj on Aug 06, 2017, 16:22:31
Yep, I've been in touch with Photobucket, there is a known issue when trying to download albums (basically, you can't, pretty sure it's deliberate blocking?)
I'll have to download almost 1400 pictures, one at a time sort them then try and remember what went where. That is going to take some time, probably what Photobucket is banking on. I've seen complaints where people have 4~5,000 or more pictures.
If your making money from linked pictures they are advertising stuff,  $400 is just another business expense, but, if like me they are mainly information  for other people, $400 it totally out there, just ain't happening.