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Offline onefromexile

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Re: First build ever
« Reply #120 on: Jul 30, 2017, 17:46:30 »
Just posted some new 'Public Information Service' with oil filter pdf. and Honda Common Service manual pdf, you may wa't to read first and download second.
As for the clutch cover mod, that's what people are now doing.
If Photobucket sees sense and gives everyone their pictures back you'll find the info
I have never seen a cb360 run
Which is why I have trouble visualizing the oil flow



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Offline onefromexile

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Re: First build ever
« Reply #121 on: Jul 30, 2017, 17:53:10 »
I have never seen a cb360 run
Which is why I have trouble visualizing the oil flow



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Re: First build ever
« Reply #122 on: Jul 30, 2017, 18:15:40 »




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So if i can't tap into top cause I don't want to take any oil from oil to head path
If I use the starter delete plug feed to micro pump and cooler and feed back into  the bottom of case into path for centrifugal  fresh cooled oil
I'm using exsisting oil filtering and just adding a path to cool and re introduce


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Re: First build ever
« Reply #123 on: Jul 30, 2017, 18:26:45 »
So if i can't tap into top cause I don't want to take any oil from oil to head path
If I use the starter delete plug feed to micro pump and cooler and feed back into  the bottom of case into path for centrifugal  fresh cooled oil
I'm using exsisting oil filtering and just adding a path to cool and re introduce


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Offline onefromexile

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Re: First build ever
« Reply #124 on: Jul 30, 2017, 18:32:10 »




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The best I can come up with
Because of the other mods like clutch cover the heads seem to last longer
And the slinger style filtering seems to be sufficient So that's why I think introducing a cooler would only benefit even further and be the most rational course without extreme modifications
I don't want to take away from the system just improve upon it
 


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Offline crazypj

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Re: First build ever
« Reply #125 on: Jul 30, 2017, 19:12:36 »
That's the 'outlet' better to remove inlet plug underneath cover and use small bore pipe to restrict flow. I got hold of some 1/8" copper pipe, probably 1/16" bore. It should restrict flow when oil is cold but allow a decent amount to cam when oil is hot and pressure is higher at 'elevated' rpm plus relieve some of the pressure on transfer piece. I've got a drilled cam plus oil feed into right side of rocker cover, going to do things slightly different next time though. Your system will work as long as starter is fully sealed. I'm not sure if body is rolled from sheet but not welded? Will probably add around 1/2~3/4 pint extra oil. Originally I was going to make a Cappellini style cooler to fit in place of starter with anti-drain back valve on 'intake' side
« Last Edit: Jul 30, 2017, 19:17:00 by crazypj »
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CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
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Offline onefromexile

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Re: First build ever
« Reply #126 on: Jul 30, 2017, 19:26:19 »
That's the 'outlet' better to remove inlet plug underneath cover and use small bore pipe to restrict flow. I got hold of some 1/8" copper pipe, probably 1/16" bore. It should restrict flow when oil is cold but allow a decent amount to cam when oil is hot and pressure is higher at 'elevated' rpm plus relieve some of the pressure on transfer piece. I've got a drilled cam plus oil feed into right side of rocker cover, going to do things slightly different next time though. Your system will work as long as starter is fully sealed. I'm not sure if body is rolled from sheet but not welded? Will probably add around 1/2~3/4 pint extra oil. Originally I was going to make a Cappellini style cooler to fit in place of starter with anti-drain back valve on 'intake' side
I was liking the capalini too
Yes I think an anti drain back is necessary in my system
I planned on 1/8 copper lines as well in my system I won't have any complex bends and copper will help cool as well
 I would like to gun drill cam and do the center bearing hole
But where would I get clean oil from to feed into ??
What if I just  ran a small line from top oil passage on right case to the cam for feed use 1/8 inch copper
There should be enough pressure to feed cam


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Offline crazypj

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Re: First build ever
« Reply #127 on: Jul 30, 2017, 21:36:59 »
You won't need much pressure if cam is gun drilled and 'outlets' are on base circle. As the end of rocker box has a small capacity, it will soon fill to a high enough level to run through cam and be centrifuged onto bearing surfaces and rocker pads. I recently did a cam for jlama for his 378cc conversion, sending it back tomorrow
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
I gave my girlfriend an orgasm the other night, but, she spat it back at me
 Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry
 Itís not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much rather you werenít doing it  (Terry Pratchett)
CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline onefromexile

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Re: First build ever
« Reply #128 on: Jul 30, 2017, 23:12:00 »
You won't need much pressure if cam is gun drilled and 'outlets' are on base circle. As the end of rocker box has a small capacity, it will soon fill to a high enough level to run through cam and be centrifuged onto bearing surfaces and rocker pads. I recently did a cam for jlama for his 378cc conversion, sending it back tomorrow
Sweet To know I had planned out everything then lost hope with the cam drilling and top end oil mods
I do plan to make the system I drew up
Not sure if I want to delay my build doing so because I know it will be ok without and I can then work out the system  on a running bike 

So if I had just a gun drilled cam

The cam itself would pick up oil from the lobe side if I had that extra feed keeping the tubs full ??




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Offline onefromexile

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First build ever
« Reply #129 on: Jul 31, 2017, 18:44:22 »
Sweet To know I had planned out everything then lost hope with the cam drilling and top end oil mods
I do plan to make the system I drew up
Not sure if I want to delay my build doing so because I know it will be ok without and I can then work out the system  on a running bike 

So if I had just a gun drilled cam

The cam itself would pick up oil from the lobe side if I had that extra feed keeping the tubs full ??




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I think I get it visually

Right nowi think  I'm having issues driving in the new valve guides
I bought the hand driver
And I was not able to comfortable hit them in all the way right now there about 2/3 or more
I just don't feel confident in hitting them harder I did prep' the guides and hole followed all the proper technics
I didn't have much luck with the hand driver
I think I'm going to get the air hammer one
I know lowest setting speed all that
I' may just be too paranoid because of the time invested in the head




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