I'll buy a good bike, mess it up and sell it on because I've ruined it (RANT)

Khaos

Cafe Racer in Cardiff, Wales
So...

my bike was built a couple of years ago. The builder took time to think about what he was doing, made many custom parts, reasonable paint job at the time, and the bike went on a run over to the Isle of Man TT - it was reliable long-distance, didn't have starting issues, and was a practical bike.

So the bike went on to another owner... then another. This owner had an enthusiastic brother and father, and they "improved" the bike for her. First off, they took out the airbox and battery box, fitting cone filters, which they messed up totally. Who the hell puts loose bits of foam inside a cone to try and richen things up? The concept of jetting to suit obviously never crossed their minds. Neither did the concept of "that bit of foam is going to get sucked into the carbs mid-ride and screw things up".

The original builder made a nice little tool tray under the seat hump. Team Bodger - Father and Son united in a tradition of stupidity - decided to maintain their quality of work, and use that tray to fit a battery that is totally unable to cope with the day-to-day demands of the bike. 100 cca starting capacity might just work on a 125 4 stroke, it's not going to work too well on a 306cc twin. Oh - and battery straps? Waste of time, man. Use one component to do two jobs. I mean, think about it. Doesn't it make sense to have the starter relay hanging loose so you can wedge it in next to the battery to hold it still? Yeah. Yeah, that'll fly. Trick, custom engineering.

I'm wondering what the "sell" trigger was. I'm thinking that it was when the totally overworked, underpowered batttery started dying so it won't hold a charge properly any more. Or maybe when the bike won't start in cold weather - even with the dying battery charged to its' max - due to that and the messed up carb setup.

Thank christ I knock the price down a fair bit. It nearly paid for getting the bike rolling roaded and setup to ride properly. It gave me an excuse to buy a new multi-tool for working on the battery box as well - always a silver lining. I've bought a new battery - gone for an Enduroline, they're not light, but they do work - the battery I've gone for packs a 215 cca punch, which should take care of the starting issues. and at £30 - about £37us - good value, and the company has a history of happy customers. I've found a battery box that will cost about the same that I can modify to fit where I need it, job done.

Who knows? I may even mount the starter relay properly. And tidy up the totally bodged wiring where the bike was "enhanced" with miniature indicators. And fit a new registration plate properly, as the current one is mounted so it fouls the rear wheel on heavy bumps. Did I mention these improvements?

But eh. I had a hell of a wallow in self-pity, and I'll get me and the bike through this. But - surely - I can't be alone, can I? What "improvements" have been made by previous owners of your bikes?
 
unfortunately, no-one but me to blame for the nasty things done to my bike, looking forward to a few days off at Christmas to undo some of the evil I have inflicted on the poor thing (who'd have thought a gaffertape under seat tray wouldn't last for ever......etc etc)
 
Caveat emptor.


At least you'll know what to look out for next time you buy a modified bike.


It's all about learning 8)
 
spotty said:
unfortunately, no-one but me to blame for the nasty things done to my bike, looking forward to a few days off at Christmas to undo some of the evil I have inflicted on the poor thing (who'd have thought a gaffertape under seat tray wouldn't last for ever......etc etc)

Is this on your Vmax? Now there's a heck of a tool. I hope you get the time you need to do what you want. I guess that's one thing that I'm lucky with - got plenty of time right now. I'm still waiting to see a stroke specialist. What started as post viral fatigue led to a TIA, I think I got lucky - got a numb patch on my face, got a couple of memory glitches, having trouble recognising people occasionally, but I'm still rolling. Oh... and a brief weird patch where I was getting metric and imperial bolt sizes/threads mixed up in my head which was a little trippy. I bought a thread gauge/bolt sizer :p

One thing that is VITAL - I've got to clean my beast down over the next couple of days, salt is already on the roads around here. I'm seeing corrosion on stainless I'm just not happy with, so I'll get her shiny and protected. Still working on getting stuff out of the bit of the flat that the bike is going to live in, so I can work indoors in the cold. Not going to be able to paint bits here, but my parents have a shed or three and it's always nice to have an excuse to go see them.

I'll get around to working on my RXS100 as well - previous owner did most of a full resto - bare metal frame job, engine rebuild, full on - but after he messed up fitting the new ignition switch - she starts without a key, and has to be stalled to stop her - he gave up and put her on eBay. Apart from that and a tank dent (ALL RXS100's have these - it's like a law or something) she's pretty darn mint. Oh... he didn't know how to spray engine cases, so I've got to do those. No biggie. I'm thinking about a vintage tz replica, but the after the cafe racer.

Did I mention previous owner cockups? :D
 
hillsy said:
Caveat emptor.


At least you'll know what to look out for next time you buy a modified bike.


It's all about learning 8)

You rotten Git. Totally correct :D And I forgot to mention - no chain tensioner or swingarm protection, so the bike is currently taking gentle nibbles out of the swing arm. I've got to see if I can take enough slack out using the spindle adjusters, but I've ordered a 10 pack of screw-on nylon guards as a backstop just in case that's not going to do the job. I'll fit one anyway, because it's better to prevent rather than repair. I also got a chain guard from a scrappy - factory type, but for £6.55 delivered I'm not going to cry (about $8.25us). That's going on for safety, until I can get something more sporty sorted out. I may cut and profile it to change the styling.
 
You can cut a section of tyre out and ziptie it to the swingarm as a protector.


Seriously, it works well.
 
Yeah, but I bet it stinks when the chain whips into it! I got a bucket-load of neat bolt on nylon sections cheap, I'll tap and dye screw holes for one and it'll be a lot neater.

That would be cooler than penguin pee on a rat bike tho.
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of modified bikes, wait till you take an engine apart and discover it needs £525 of Wiseco pistons and £140 of boring.
 
The Virago in my shop is being fixed by me after the owners buddy said "bring her over I'll drill out the air box and make her run better." ran so well it seized a cam, then buddy was going to swap out to a new cam but left the buggered rockers in the head, didn't even check them to see if there was damage. Lovely. so he took so long to not finish the wife of the owner I work with asked if I'd fix it for him. I keep finding shit done wrong, missing bits and it's a little scary what the other so called mechanic thought was the right way to do stuff.
 
Maritime said:
The Virago in my shop is being fixed by me after the owners buddy said "bring her over I'll drill out the air box and make her run better." ran so well it seized a cam, then buddy was going to swap out to a new cam but left the buggered rockers in the head, didn't even check them to see if there was damage. Lovely. so he took so long to not finish the wife of the owner I work with asked if I'd fix it for him. I keep finding shit done wrong, missing bits and it's a little scary what the other so called mechanic thought was the right way to do stuff.

Yeah... I learned a long time ago that having "friends" work on anything critical is never a good idea. Which pisses me off mightily, because when I do something for a friend I go the extra mile to make sure everything is spot on.

The path to Cafe Racer Wellness hit a speed bump today - the company that was going to supply a battery and box suddenly realised they don't sell the battery box after all. WTF? So battery order cancelled.

I may just say a rude word or 9, and go and buy a compact Lithium Ion battery to do the job, as there's one that will fit in the battery box that's currently on the bike and give enough cca to turn the bike over properly.

Right now, I am so ****** jealous of you guys on the other side of the pond, and also of our antipodean cousins - looks like you guys have got a lot more of the stuff I need right here, right now - and the shipping costs are a killer. BUT - this is a speed bump, not a cliff. I'm gonna get over this one too.

julian.allard66 said:
Welcome to the wonderful world of modified bikes, wait till you take an engine apart and discover it needs £525 of Wiseco pistons and £140 of boring.

*looks suspicious* Admit it, Mr Allard - can I call you Julian? - you WANTED the wiseco big bore kit on whatever it was. Ya could have gone oversize, you went OTT instead.

Good man! :D

Seeing as you're on this side of the pond, can you recommend a source of batteries - and more importantly, boxes? eBay only goes so far, I'm at the point where being able to talk to a knowledgeable human being - and maybe paying a little more than "best possible price" would be a smart step forward.
 
Maritime said:
The Virago in my shop is being fixed by me after the owners buddy said "bring her over I'll drill out the air box and make her run better." ran so well it seized a cam, then buddy was going to swap out to a new cam but left the buggered rockers in the head, didn't even check them to see if there was damage. Lovely. so he took so long to not finish the wife of the owner I work with asked if I'd fix it for him. I keep finding shit done wrong, missing bits and it's a little scary what the other so called mechanic thought was the right way to do stuff.

Seized a cam? Not the front cam by any chance? If so, make sure the union-bolt is actually drilled properly and the oil filter is fitted the right way round.

Cheers,
Greg
 
der_nanno said:
Seized a cam? Not the front cam by any chance? If so, make sure the union-bolt is actually drilled properly and the oil filter is fitted the right way round.

Cheers,
Greg

It was the rear actually but yes I am checking the oil lines, banjo bolts etc on both heads and I am doing the 6205 bearing mod while I am at it. That alone makes a huge difference.
 
So.. did you have a bike built for you a couple of years ago, then sold it to a string of shitheads and bought it back? I never really got whats so exciting about small capacity hondas anyway.
 
datadavid said:
So.. did you have a bike built for you a couple of years ago, then sold it to a string of shitheads and bought it back? I never really got whats so exciting about small capacity hondas anyway.

Hi David, a lot of builders started with Hondas because they were cheap, had wire wheels in many cases, were plentiful. The cult grew from there. Parts are plentiful, and the "scene" has seen a large number of companies produce aftermarket items specifically for them.

My bike was built for a run over to the Isle of Man TT a couple of years ago, that builder sold her on to make room for new projects, and things went from there. The only thing is... my little Honda is a Kawasaki GPZ305. They're deeply unfashionable because of significant flaws in the engine design which have given chronic reliability issues. It's rare to see one running, let alone one that's been Cafe Racer'd! Parts are plentiful because they've died like flies in a cake shop window and been scrapped out... apart from engine parts which are relatively rare. I'm currently building up a small stock of essentials, things like the nylon (yes, seriously) drive cog for the oil pump, the oil pump itself, carbs, CDI, stator, etc. Also a stock of spare engine covers so I can polish 'em. I want a head as well, so I can polish that and just leave the barrels and main cases black, but seeing as that's where they fail, I'm not having much luck.
 
Khaos said:
Hi David, a lot of builders started with Hondas because they were cheap, had wire wheels in many cases, were plentiful. The cult grew from there. Parts are plentiful, and the "scene" has seen a large number of companies produce aftermarket items specifically for them.

My bike was built for a run over to the Isle of Man TT a couple of years ago, that builder sold her on to make room for new projects, and things went from there. The only thing is... my little Honda is a Kawasaki GPZ305. They're deeply unfashionable because of significant flaws in the engine design which have given chronic reliability issues. It's rare to see one running, let alone one that's been Cafe Racer'd! Parts are plentiful because they've died like flies in a cake shop window and been scrapped out... apart from engine parts which are relatively rare. I'm currently building up a small stock of essentials, things like the nylon (yes, seriously) drive cog for the oil pump, the oil pump itself, carbs, CDI, stator, etc. Also a stock of spare engine covers so I can polish 'em. I want a head as well, so I can polish that and just leave the barrels and main cases black, but seeing as that's where they fail, I'm not having much luck.
You sound almost as masochistic as myself i only own trouble childs like triumph 500 and xs750! My only reliable bike has plastic oil pump gears and its almost new..
 
datadavid said:
You sound almost as masochistic as myself i only own trouble childs like triumph 500 and xs750! My only reliable bike has plastic oil pump gears and its almost new..

Yeah, maybe. But today I've had a little victory - looks like I've found a battery the right size to actually fill the box under the seat hump and give 350 cca - damn near triple that of the POS battery put on by the PO. I found the battery at 70% off as well. On the downside, I've gone Lithium Ion to achieve this, and had to buy a new charger, but eh. Still a victory. I'm even going to fit a battery strap. That's fancy cooking, right there :D
 
Sadly I can't recommend a source of batteries or battery boxes, personally I'd buy the battery I wanted, some sheet steel and make a box to fit the battery, what you could do is make the box you want out of card board and take it to a local engineering place who will make it for you out of steel.

It didn't take a lot of thought to go to 1170 on the Z, Wiseco parts were cheaper than Kawasaki bits and easier to get, Chris at Grumpy 1260 in Downham Market did me a good price on the work, great bloke to know if you've got an old Kawasaki or Suzuki, he's also done quite well in European drag racing.
 
julian.allard66 said:
Sadly I can't recommend a source of batteries or battery boxes, personally I'd buy the battery I wanted, some sheet steel and make a box to fit the battery, what you could do is make the box you want out of card board and take it to a local engineering place who will make it for you out of steel.

It didn't take a lot of thought to go to 1170 on the Z, Wiseco parts were cheaper than Kawasaki bits and easier to get, Chris at Grumpy 1260 in Downham Market did me a good price on the work, great bloke to know if you've got an old Kawasaki or Suzuki, he's also done quite well in European drag racing.


Ohhh yes, I can understand the path you took. I used to have a GS850 that had been bored, stroked, flowed and generally had its' nuts tuned off. Hell I miss that bike. As it is, I found a battery that (a) is of larger capacity than the current one, and (b) should fill the battery box. It's meant going down the dark path of Lithium Ion batteries. However, at £30 for a battery coming in under 10x10x10cm with cca of 350 it solves many problems. It worked out that I would have paid roughly the same for battery and box as I've paid for battery and charger. There's a guy on eBay selling them off cheap - looks like he's got a few thousand to sell - they're still being sold on the Hein Gereike website (I'm sure I've spelled that wrongly) for 200 Euros. A basic lithium spec charger for under £40 isn't too bad. Heck, I bought 2 batteries at that price :D
 
£30 for an Li battery is pretty good, 15 years ago they were £50 for DRZ400s - keep it charged with an optimate, otherwise they die if the bike isn't used.
 
julian.allard66 said:
£30 for an Li battery is pretty good, 15 years ago they were £50 for DRZ400s - keep it charged with an optimate, otherwise they die if the bike isn't used.

Yep, the charger I bought is an optimiser. It's all good. This is what I bought:

Battery: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272483418102?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Charger: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282147968468?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Job (hopefully) done :D
 
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