WHY? Do guys build something that you really cant ride ???
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Tune-A-Fish
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datadavid said:
Take US to church David.
I love em all, rode many that were just junk, but none were ever "much" more fun than the other.
I will build as I please and take the good comments with the bad, i will dish out whats on my mind and damn sure will get it wrong from time to time, chopping up bikes is what made the sand cast so collectible... if they all were still in new condition the value would be lost... chop away at those rusted bolt buckets boys, you wont hear me squeal, but leave the in tact low mile barn dusty foreseeable to the restoration guys... eh.
None of you newbs should come here with a mouth expecting to get away with it... I didn't
Tune-A-Fish
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;D ;D ;D
The Limey
Evil English Villain
We can build bike for any reason that takes our fancy. I build mine to ride, albeit not daily, so keep an eye on maintaining some degree of usability.
On the other end of the scale is a chap I know who runs a Kawasaki dealership. He built a brand new Z1 from brand new parts sourced from Kawasaki, even down to the indicator bulbs. It cost him an absolute fortune, but he won't even put oil in it because then it becomes "just another used bike". He was happy to keep it in his showroom and admire it, and in more recent years it's been in his living room at home. Huge effort expense for a bike he'll never even attempt to ride, and if that's what turns him on then I'm all for it. Blind conformity is something to be avoided.
On the other end of the scale is a chap I know who runs a Kawasaki dealership. He built a brand new Z1 from brand new parts sourced from Kawasaki, even down to the indicator bulbs. It cost him an absolute fortune, but he won't even put oil in it because then it becomes "just another used bike". He was happy to keep it in his showroom and admire it, and in more recent years it's been in his living room at home. Huge effort expense for a bike he'll never even attempt to ride, and if that's what turns him on then I'm all for it. Blind conformity is something to be avoided.
Tune-A-Fish
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^^^ yep that sums it up nicely
surffly
Over 1,000 Posts
My issue is not that people are building "art bikes", it is that they THINK they are building a real motorcycle.
90% of the "café racers" I see are just a new form of chopper.
That is fine. To each their own.
But I loose it when the café/chopper guy is waxing poetic about his pure handling machine.
90% of the "café racers" I see are just a new form of chopper.
That is fine. To each their own.
But I loose it when the café/chopper guy is waxing poetic about his pure handling machine.
Maybe this has been discussed, I haven't read through this whole thread, but are there any actual real numbers, first hand experiences or tests that back up the "firestone champion deluxe tires are the worst"? Im not asking for just another member saying that they are an outdated design, we've heard that plenty on here. Im just curious of first hand experience or numbers.
To be clear, Im in no way advocating or promoting them, but it just seems that there is always bad things said about them (I poke fun at them myself) but I wonder if its just a chain reaction of people repeating that they are bad vs. actual proven fact.
I guess im looking for fact vs. educated theory.
To be clear, Im in no way advocating or promoting them, but it just seems that there is always bad things said about them (I poke fun at them myself) but I wonder if its just a chain reaction of people repeating that they are bad vs. actual proven fact.
I guess im looking for fact vs. educated theory.
surffly
Over 1,000 Posts
First the firestone tires are the wrong era for a "café racer".
The tires are meant for a 30s Harley.
Second (don't know if this has changed) but I do not think they are DOT legal
Cant think of anyone that has done a quantitative test of these tires.
Actually almost no one does anything like that for any street bike mods.
The tires are meant for a 30s Harley.
Second (don't know if this has changed) but I do not think they are DOT legal
Cant think of anyone that has done a quantitative test of these tires.
Actually almost no one does anything like that for any street bike mods.
VonYinzer
Over 10,000 Posts
Had an XS650 chop w the Firestones. They were put on by the previous owner. I hated them. I understand that a chopper isn't a sportbike and they handle differently but there was a ln obvious lack of control and traction w the Firestones. Rode them on wet pavement once and it was squirrely for sure.
Now, that said... They arent so bad that you can't ride on them. They will however SEVERELY cut down on the bikes handling and stopping ability. On some 70 year old Harley? Sure... They're period correct. On a chopper? I guess I get wanting the look, but I'll never run them EVER. On anything else, they're clown shoes. A detriment to any planned performance upgrades.
Now, that said... They arent so bad that you can't ride on them. They will however SEVERELY cut down on the bikes handling and stopping ability. On some 70 year old Harley? Sure... They're period correct. On a chopper? I guess I get wanting the look, but I'll never run them EVER. On anything else, they're clown shoes. A detriment to any planned performance upgrades.
And this being the Internet, most of us don't actually know too much about each other and it's in many people's nature to automatically assume the worst.
I figure a person should do whatever they want to do, just as long as they understand the consequences for doing so. If some guys wants to build a "café racer" with balloon tires and no clearance for the rear tire, I'll be sure to let him know what he's doing wrong. But if he doesn't want to hear it it just means a cheap bike on CL later on. No skin off my nose.
I figure a person should do whatever they want to do, just as long as they understand the consequences for doing so. If some guys wants to build a "café racer" with balloon tires and no clearance for the rear tire, I'll be sure to let him know what he's doing wrong. But if he doesn't want to hear it it just means a cheap bike on CL later on. No skin off my nose.
dualero
Been Around the Block
Taking this build as an example of someone who thinks he's building a real motorcycle with what happens to be no clue at all about geometry, kinematics, weight distribution, mechanical design, welding and stress analysissurffly said:
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=68700.0
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