1979 Moto Guzzi V50 II Cafe

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VonYinzer said:
Thats the winner in my book. Looks like a real racebike. Do the seat in green, and have it upholstered in red and white leather or vinyl. Very vintage European looking...

Oh hell yea!
 
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Dale you beast of a man!

Immmmm baaccckk.... I like the black and grey colour shceme.. looks so sick!
I can see your hands have been busy working away! Man, I love this bike... DALE FOR PRESIDENT! Or BOTM!

-Slice
 
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Dale, the amount of planing and skill you put into your work is truly inspiring. The bike is gorgeous.
 
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Man, Dale....... you are sure coming along. Think I like the tricolor paint best and really like the seat covered with leather all the way. Sure is lookin' goooooooooodddddddd.......
 
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Dale, measure your rear shock travel, then cut a cardboard square the same amount of travel. Now simply place it around the tire circumference to check for an interference fit, a specific oppositional regional continuum occupation. You may also find a "kinetic component space conflict"
Cheers, 50gary
 
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Thanks guys. Wow. (!)
Thankyou *all* for the compliments and general positivity all round. Much appreciated. Really!


Hey Glenn, sounds like the perfect new home for the bike! All things considered - thats great. Good luck with the new build!
Well, yup, I guess that says it all! With regards colour, I've pretty much settled on the plain red. Great fun plaing with those schemes!


To all you pro tricolour 'more is more' fiends, :) I did a quick mockup of VonYinzer's idea taking the colour through into the seat. Came out pretty cool actually. Its up on page 15 with the rest of them. Please feel free to use any of these concept schemes for your own project if you like them.


50gary, your clearance idea using a piece of carboard sparked a light bulb moment for me.
When looking at the clearance around the swingarm area, I noticed it was pretty tight, around 20mm. At that point I realised that the clearance in fact works on more of an arc as opposed to a fixed amount going around the wheel, as the shocks travel in one direction only.

So the more perpendicular you go to the shock, the less clearance is required. Thats why theres only a 20mm gap between the tire and the swingarm. The point at which you need the most clearance is directly above and below the line of shock travel.

This meant that the area in question - the tail, which is not directly above the shock would require slightly less clearance than actual suspension travel. In reality, its doesnt give me much, but hey, it was fun checking all this out. The shock in its factory setting has the stopper placed at 50mm. It can be moved another 20mm.
Ive also raised the tail anyway to be more in line with original spec just in case.
The progressive springs on the new units don't compress anywhere near the stopper currently when bouncing the bike while sitting on it. Of course spring and damper compression will be much higher in different conditions in the real world, but I think its good. Only time will tell though! :) Oh, and no kinetic component space conflicts! :p

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>>> Busy building the final seat, will post once its done.
 
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The more vertical the rear shock angle is the quicker the suspension responce will be. Further, the spring rate (wheel rate) will also be higher for the same spring. This is also true the closer the lower shock mount is to the rear axle the higher the rate for the same spring. The relationship of the S/A to the tire will not change with motion it is fixed. The swingarm simply scribes an arc, the radius being from the S/A pivot bolt center to the rear axle center. Oh, and thanks for recognizing my joke at the end of my post.
Cheers, 50gary
 
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the radius being from the S/A pivot bolt center to the rear axle center.
Yep, the travel is not parallel with the shock as drawn. Instead the axle travels along an arch that pivots on the swingarm bolt...
 
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Uggh. Yeah. Big deadline at work for end of April, so haven't been able to do much else... Hoping to get back on it next month... :)
 
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I am looking at a Guzzi V65 Lario which has a toasted top end on one side..... looks like a pretty easy job if I can find the parts although I understand the four valvers are finicky and destruction prone. What do ya' think....... :-\ :-\ :-\ .
 
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dewjantim, the best place to get *reliable* info on this would be here:
http://www.wildguzzi.com/forum/

(the small block guys are there in full force and very friendly 'ta boot).



Parts wise, these guys are really good. They specialise mainly in V7's, but cater for most models, and are super efficient.

http://www.mgcycle.com/

Hope that helps!
 
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Dale, just came and read this from your link on the BMW 2002 page.
Just an awesome build.

We share a love of fabricating parts.

Keep up the great work.

Cheers,
brad in Hugetown
 
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Thanks Dale, I will check it out...... Honda is almost done, just have to find a short and add gas.... I hope.
Dale said:
dewjantim, the best place to get *reliable* info on this would be here:
http://www.wildguzzi.com/forum/

(the small block guys are there in full force and very friendly 'ta boot).



Parts wise, these guys are really good. They specialise mainly in V7's, but cater for most models, and are super efficient.

http://www.mgcycle.com/

Hope that helps!
 
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Dale, nice looking bike and a very nice job on everything you've done. I just started my own 850T cafe project. I plan on many of the same things you've done but with the seat/lemans fairing/fenders in carbon fiber. Ballistic battery (a division of Millenium tech) has lithiom ferite batteries at a fair price and a six cell that will handle the MG's draw. Keep up the good work, Dave.
 
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Thanks hedrives! So you've had no problems with the Shorai Li-Ion product? Thanks again.

dewjantim, Ive got more links for specific parts if it comes to that. I'll also ask a guy I know who knows a LOT about Guzzis and get his opinion.

Dave, thats very cool. Hope to see your build thread up, so I'm not completely on my own here atm! :))) I'll check out the Millenium Tech batteries out as well. Thanks for the pointers guys!
 
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Dale said:
Thanks hedrives! So you've had no problems with the Shorai Li-Ion product? Thanks again.

dewjantim, Ive got more links for specific parts if it comes to that. I'll also ask a guy I know who knows a LOT about Guzzis and get his opinion.

Dave, thats very cool. Hope to see your build thread up, so I'm not completely on my own here atm! :))) I'll check out the Millenium Tech batteries out as well. Thanks for the pointers guys!

Dale,

Full honest reporting.
My battery failed while sitting on the shelf.
One start-up, then disconnected and it failed.
Shorai USA was quick to send me a paid RMA and replacement unit.

The guys at Shorai USA said they were seeing failures at 1 per 200 units.
The latest shipment has a revision of some kind to address the issue.

I have full faith in the unit even though I saw a failure.

cheers,
brad in Hugetown
 
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Dale...... I didn't win the Guzzi...... got outsniped at the last five seconds......darn !!! :'( :'( :'( . Think I will just start looking for a V-50 Monza.......
 
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So you're looking for a small block? That's pretty cool! Why not a LeMans or something like that? Jus askin'.
 
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