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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Bob and Chop => Topic started by: surffly on Apr 14, 2013, 18:59:41

Title: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Apr 14, 2013, 18:59:41
A friend has owned this bike for years.
Now I finally own it.
Was built in LA in '74 out of a crated brand new bike.
This is a cb550.

Wiring is shot and a rats net so that's the first job.
Carbs were just rebuilt, soda blasted an polished.
Has new tires.
Needs front brake hooked up and shoes replaced.

Silver tank now though

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/44E89486-7801-44B2-993B-AA177C791618-13463-00000B3DB4DB6C97_zpsb8397eab.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Apr 15, 2013, 10:59:26
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/0333C6EA-4004-4FB6-B832-14A63F5D45FF-17663-000008B031F67C01_zps76cfdeed.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/743534DF-36A6-4FA7-BFB2-6B2F471D0C8E-17663-000008B02E85E0C4_zps99e3ca38.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/4AB8A76B-9B46-4237-B688-A76C9026281D-17663-000008B026AD3620_zps65b0e963.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/48E1D857-E74D-45CE-BA74-E92FA0D52BE8-17663-000008B0230F4C24_zps3c1eda4f.jpg)

Last picture with the red tank
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/DC1A3F19-EB3D-42A4-A009-5247B2D036F8-13463-00000B3DB6A137DD_zps16195ad9.jpg)



Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: rrmerlin1650 on Apr 16, 2013, 09:44:52
Sweet! you found one!! CHEERS!
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: MarcelM on Apr 16, 2013, 16:23:36
WOW! isn't that oldskool or what!! Super!
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Apr 22, 2013, 23:38:31
Started work on the wiring....
And boy did it need it.
Millions of but connectors and the super crazy thin wire powering the coils.
I spent most of the day making my own harness, luck this bike doesnt really need that many wires.

Bike is weeping oil, not sure from where.
Does look like at some point the bike will need a head gasket, but hopping not till next winter.

Need to order new chain and sprockets.
The rear on the bike now is tiny and robs the low end it needs.
Also starting to think about running an exhaust that is more then just headers.
Right now it just has real dunstal headers, I have the mid pipe but it doesnt fit. 
Thinking side mounted fish tails.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/678B0FE4-7B4E-47D9-98FE-08313AD4E468-26157-00000C197A458AAD_zpsfb99837c.jpg)

Here is a better picture of the front.
Still dont know if its correct or not.
But did find that the neck bearings were shot, so those will need to be replaced.
Zero idea if they are honda, amen, or harley parts.  Will need to find out.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/711126EF-7ADF-45A9-892B-7A916D66D9C0-26157-00000C19760FDD08_zps886c36d5.jpg)

Ordered some grips and a better rear brake light trigger.
The bike had mini clubmans on it before I got it, and I am thinking I want to go with them now.
They will push the controls just a bit forward and that would really make the bike more comfortable.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/FCC712EC-B4F3-42D2-8F70-4F9B8571744F-17730-00000EBFE7B549BE_zpsf6707951.jpg)

And the number one part that every bike should have!
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/69C6636A-8E88-4FA2-913A-34238E086121-26157-00000C197D96000D_zps50d933d8.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DrJ on Apr 23, 2013, 00:18:30
Hallcraft front hub.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: Tim on Apr 23, 2013, 15:15:31
'...neck bearings are shot...'

Would hardly think it would matter ;)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Apr 23, 2013, 15:16:12
Well they sure as hell aren't helping
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: Ross. on Apr 25, 2013, 08:26:58
Love it. Kick myself for not buying a chopped 750 frame way way way back in the 80s.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: VonYinzer on Apr 25, 2013, 08:39:55
I'm 99% sure Amen frames used Harley neck bearings. A quick measurement of the steering stem would tell you though.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Apr 25, 2013, 13:00:50
Plan to pull them this weekend to see
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on May 05, 2013, 22:20:56
Found out amen made frames for the cb550 that were for either Honda or Harley front ends


Got some work in this weekend.

Replaced these
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/C0154498-5C74-4B70-9334-562EA367C4AC-38775-000011BF56B7FF6E_zpsaa8ec2f5.jpg)

With new shoes
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/E517E8FF-9B68-4CC1-B481-67B4B84178CB-38775-000011BF5F44FF73_zps1cb84fde.jpg)
Nothing like some 50cc Honda brakes to make you feel safe..

Wheel still needs a cleaning
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsb65f29c1.jpg)





(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/60A9891C-3E28-47EC-B571-545DCFE0A510-38775-000011BF6565E537_zpsf22ec07c.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps5d6dfe87.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsefc25487.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps1494e169.jpg)

Neck bearings where shot.
Ordered new ones.


Think these are going to be to small...lame
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps45e75fdd.jpg)

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on May 08, 2013, 16:59:06
New taillight.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpse6964fcc.jpg)

Ill get one "compressed"
I'm told now this is correct as the front end is a jammer
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps9c2c74cb.jpg)

Not sure exactly where to mount the brake stay
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsfa1d8194.jpg)

Everything else look right?
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps3403480d.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps9b6928b5.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsebedd9ba.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DBURGESS on May 09, 2013, 10:55:33
Super rad. Time machine.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 02, 2013, 14:54:29
Got through finals so now back to bikes!

New levers are in.
Got the emgo "Amal" clones, nice and clean.

All balls bearings are in too.
Will install tomorrow.

Was messing around with bars.

Buddy had some left over apes...he likes apes on everything...me not so much.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsabef4ab4.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps300396b1.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps51e82e21.jpg)

I kinda prefer the lower bar look.
They give me just enough room to be comfortable.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps423a0b27.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpscf0e8b6b.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps06c7c510.jpg)

Whatcha think?


Honey do list for tomorrow.
-neck bearings
-finish wiring
-install bars
-mock up tail light
-seak out oil leak

I would like an oil cooler for this bike.
Will a cb750 one work?  How about a nighthawk one?

Saw the cycle X roadster drag pipes and think I'm going to see if they will make them in a cb550 sized pipe.
Would like to mount a tach to the valve cover but unsure if I will or how to do that.
Wireless bycicle speedo will also be installed.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: rrmerlin1650 on Jun 03, 2013, 08:31:04
check out my Amen project, I posted a video of my 750 with Cycle X Low Boy Super Drags. If you have never heard them you will want some afterwards! lol
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 03, 2013, 17:10:17
Well put some time into the bike today.
-got the wiring all but finished.
-steering head bearings installed.
-bars and controls mounted.

Had an issue with the brake stay though...
Couldn't help but notice that when the brake is applied the force effects the suspension movement.  At best it licks everything from moving, at worst it causes the fork to bind in the full extended position.  I know it's not much of an actual brake, butthuscant be right.

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps0b418777.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps114686dc.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps7aa4bf22.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps9a8d6545.jpg)
What do you guys think?  Can't actually be right?

Steering bearings came out extra broken
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpseb7c454c.jpg)

Using one as a kill switch and the other for a horn button
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps9ed80967.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpse7183d56.jpg)

Amal repro levers
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps8b3a60bb.jpg)

Almost done with the controls
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps34cd18ac.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps3ed9c239.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpse35fecd4.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: rrmerlin1650 on Jun 03, 2013, 20:41:48
man that brake stay should be ran more on a horizontal plane shouldn't it? I can totally see how it binds everything up with the stay almost vertical like that.
Is there anyway to let the drum rotate forward more and get the stay forward of the axle center? Think like how the rear drum stay works.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 03, 2013, 21:53:49
Might try it on the front side.

Issue is that as the axle moves up and down with the suspension the angle of the brake stay moves.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DBURGESS on Jun 04, 2013, 10:20:31
That thing is looking awesome
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on Jun 16, 2013, 11:52:03
Might try it on the front side.

Issue is that as the axle moves up and down with the suspension the angle of the brake stay moves.

that front brake plate needs to be full floating
cool project but those clubmans don't look  right on there thats just my opinion tho,and i think you'll look funny riding it with them
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on Jun 16, 2013, 12:01:52
let me add that the front brake plate MUST be full floating UNLESS the stay arm is connected to the linkage plate,whatever its called the s shaped piece that the front axle attaches
in order for the front brake plate to be truly floating it must have bushings at each end of the brake stay arm to allow movement on its center bearing
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 17, 2013, 18:48:40
Heim joints will be installed to let the brake plate move freely.

The pictures are at a funny angle, but the bars look good in person, and are very comfortable for me.

Once cleaned up and outside for real pictures it should look better.
New battery came in.
Bought a new headlight and installed it.
Replaced the old cracked plastic fuse holder with a new one.
Figured out how to fab up a tail light and plate mount.  Got the material so that's the next and final project before she heads to the bar.
After a few shake down runs I hope to see what's leaking oil and fix it,  but my fingers are crossed the garage elves fixed it already.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Jun 17, 2013, 20:11:30
Head gasket needs changing, it's 'too many fins down' I used to change mine at 4 fins from head gasket but it will spray some oil at 3 fins down. The 'O' rings on oil feed go hard and leak, I counterbored mine and fitted dowls plus copper head gasket, that pretty much cured the problem permanently
Pretty sure those forks are assembled wrong, lower links should put spring section more or less parallel to 'fixed' section, looks to me like someone deliberately swapped them left to right to get front end even higher?
The brake torque arm should never be 'in compression' so that is definitely wrong
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 17, 2013, 21:15:13
Forks are correct from my research.
When the weight of the bike and me are on them the link sits parallel.
 (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps7018e6a4.png)



I figured the head gasket really needs to be changed.
Was hoping to make it through this season and do the motor over the winter.
Would like to add a few HP to it at that time.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on Jun 17, 2013, 21:16:55
heims would be ideal with a sturdy connection between the 2
wont hurt to have a sturdy short brake arm in compression on that lashup
cool project all around i like it
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on Jun 17, 2013, 21:20:30
Forks are correct from my research.
When the weight of the bike and me are on them the link sits parallel.
 (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps7018e6a4.png)



I figured the head gasket really needs to be changed.
Was hoping to make it through this season and do the motor over the winter.
Would like to add a few HP to it at that time.

heck thats what depends are for i run them in the skidplate of my goldstar ;D
change em out every ride keeps the small leakage at bay and offa the rear tar
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 17, 2013, 21:23:43
Now that's one idea...lol
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 17, 2013, 21:24:48
Why does it matter compression vs tension?
Can't be a failure thing as a bar will break in tension faster.
Worried about the arm bending?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on Jun 17, 2013, 21:33:37
tension is better for a long skinny liteweight link, compression tends to want to fold a liteweight link
but you reall want the stay arm on that front end to be under compression,like you have it,  as it makes for an anti-dive situation effectively stiffining up your front suspension when you apply the brake
i would use 3/8" heims and braze some nuts into some 5/8" tubing for a stay arm OR just use 3/8" female heims and thread some 3/8" rod on each end
either way is overkill
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: hillsy on Jun 17, 2013, 21:48:38
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps0b418777.jpg)







To me it looks like you need to rotate the brake plate anti-clockwise about 120 deg and mount the brake stay forward of the axle. This would move the cable to run almost up the springer leg as well.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 25, 2013, 23:36:52
Having some issues with the carbs on my chopper.

Took them all apart, cleaned, soda blasted and polished them.
While apart I installed Honda OEM gasket kits with new orings.
Set the floats to 22mm using a Honda OEM tool measuring from the base.
Also checked to make sure they were sealing by blowing air via mouth into the carb fuel in and holding the floats at 22mm.  They drop a bit and air flows, at 22mmm no flow.

Installed on bike and they leak.  Some times.
Some times it's like a garden hose and fuel comes out the drains and out the mouth of the carb.
Once there was no leak but after starting it leaked....and we had a small fire....not good at all.

So I adjusted the carbs to a level that they don't leak, but the bike will not hold rpm as it runs out of fuel.

What gives?
Plan to take them all back apart and see if something jumps out at me.

Also the stock jets are installed 100/38
Not sure what I should get for the stacks and drag pipes.
Ill order some brass ASAP.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: hillsy on Jun 25, 2013, 23:46:33
Have you checked the overflow tubes aren't cracked?
 
Also, are the floats free moving on the pins?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 26, 2013, 00:38:28
Drains are not cracked.
Floats move freely
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: SONIC. on Jun 26, 2013, 01:26:03
My 400f does the same damn thing. I cant figure it out.
I think the valve intermittently sticks open somehow? Possibly contaminants in the fuel?

I swear every time I fill up with gas it is running just fine, no leaks, and then when i toss it on the center stand it starts leaking all over the damn place until I turn the fuel off. When I turn it back on it stops. I dont understand at all.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: teazer on Jun 26, 2013, 01:45:05
We had the same problem with a pair of CB77 Keihin carbs on a CB160 race bike and every time it turns out to be the gasket just touching the floats.  Sometimes it's OK and the next time it pisses fuel everywhere.  We tried genuine Honda rubber gaskets and keihin and they all cause the problem.  Fix was a very sharp Exacto knife to trim a little material off the inner faces of the gaskets.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 26, 2013, 17:08:56
Took a good look and can't see evidence that the float is rubbing on the bowl.
Kinda hard as I can't see inside the bowl when the bowl is on...lol

Will strip them down and see what's what.
Maybe it's just something stupid.
22mm isn't a misprint in the manual right?

Crappy cell phone pictures
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsa2707feb.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps718eccf3.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsd1f9acb3.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsd08aecb7.jpg)



And what's better then some finned covers for a bike that's not running?
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsc09ea5ea.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsf07962b9.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsc5dcfa0c.jpg)

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 29, 2013, 22:34:14
The bushings in the throttle pivot are shot and the cable mount is now damaged.

Long story short I need a whole rack or at least the plate part.

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jul 09, 2013, 15:58:58
Got some new brass.
Fishing lures were just to meet the min for free shipping.
Have 38/42 and 100/105/110/115 on hand to tune.
Also got new float seats to cure the original issue that caused the fire.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsff083ade.jpg)



Rack of carbs to be used to replace the broken parts from the rack on the bike.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps27592467.jpg)


Bought a Morgan Carbtune.
Exchange rate is great so I had to have one
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsd63c8021.jpg)


Is is the bushing in the carb rack that failed
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps306d6a99.jpg)


Maybe over the winter when the head is off for a new head gasket it will get a big bore and these...
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps2313efde.jpg)


But for now it trying to figure out if I should keep the orange stacks or swap them for something else that matches better.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsdeb3cb3e.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 12, 2013, 17:21:47
Dug up some charging parts.
Figured I would swap on in and "band-aid" the system for the rest of the season.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps2aa50a76.jpg)


Over the winter ill build a proper harness and swap in a solid state rec/reg
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsab8fa581.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps5cfc4492.jpg)


Made a tail light bracket.
Nothing special, just some thing simple.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpscf757df9.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps5c12e9e3.jpg)


Also got an oil cooler adaptor.  It's for a 750, but I think it should be the same for the 550.
Need to find an actual cooler.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsbe3c4539.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Aug 12, 2013, 17:30:31
Get a transmission cooler, usually a lot cheaper than bike specific oil cooler
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 11:14:45
That's what I had heard.
Any model you know of that has the right shape?
Site that has a few listed to choose from?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 13, 2013, 12:26:52
Damn....coolest cb chopper I've seen. 
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Aug 13, 2013, 13:11:02
Was messing around with bars.

Buddy had some left over apes...he likes apes on everything...me not so much.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsabef4ab4.jpg)
 

I kinda prefer the lower bar look.
They give me just enough room to be comfortable.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps423a0b27.jpg)
 

Whatcha think?


 

Um.....  the clubmans look silly  :P

If you don't like the apes ( which would look bad ass with a sissy bar by the way ) , how about just simple drag bars?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 15:00:24
The clubmans started as a joke, but do fit well.
Very comfortable.

They do look odd in the pictures.
I need to pull the bike out for proper pictures, looks much better in person.
Almost like you don't even know what they are at first glance.

I want to keep the low look of the bike, but be able to ride the death trap.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 15:01:35
Damn....coolest cb chopper I've seen. 

Thank you.
I lusted after the bike for a few year before being able to own it.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 15:57:05
Trying to decide what pipes to order.
Longer or shorter?

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps44a84e4d.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsd666b499.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsa02b761c.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 13, 2013, 16:18:57
From those pics I like the longer ones, kinda hard to tell without seeing them on the bike.  Maybe fishtails
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 17:06:34
Yeah seeing them on the bike would be better.
I want the upturn to be behind the pegs, but not pointing directly at the passengers foot.
Trying to get longer pipes so the bike runs better, and fill the space infront of the rear wheel
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 13, 2013, 19:06:47
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps9c2c74cb.jpg)



Maybe I'm wrong but something doesn't look right with the front end.  It looks like the front axle plate is vertical instead of horizontal.


Note the difference in the springer here:


(http://31.media.tumblr.com/162fcf859496e3180d89a1ec58cd2d2f/tumblr_mlzki8mduL1rszcafo1_1280.jpg)


The two connecting arms come down to a point on yours and are spaced apart on mine. 




Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 19:32:52
Guess they just make all different kinds of springers.
Picture is with no weight(me) on the bike and also the bike itself is fairly light.
Sits more "normal" when riding.
Picture shows that the assembly is correct.
I will admit it did look odd to me when I first got the bike, and haven't seen many front ends set up like this one.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps7018e6a4.png)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Aug 13, 2013, 19:38:38
Trying to decide what pipes to order.
Longer or shorter?


I like longer- for looks and tuning....
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: Brodie on Aug 13, 2013, 19:44:35
Just a thought on the bars. Have you flipped them over to see how they look and feel?

Also I would go the long exhaust from cycleX. And yeah the front end looks all muffed up, I was under the impression it was more like the last bike pictured.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 19:57:56
Tried a few bars in a few different positions.
Front end just just is what it is.
Kinda like that it looks wrong, but is right.
Part of the fun of choppers.

I think I'll go with the longer pipes.
Figure it's easier to shorten them then make them longer if needed.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Aug 13, 2013, 23:07:46
 :D yeah for the long pipes !
 :(  nay on the clubmans
 
.......   yeah for drag bars !  ;D


oh, this isn't mob rule? 
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 13, 2013, 23:21:04
Guess they just make all different kinds of springers.
Picture is with no weight(me) on the bike and also the bike itself is fairly light.
Sits more "normal" when riding.
Picture shows that the assembly is correct.
I will admit it did look odd to me when I first got the bike, and haven't seen many front ends set up like this one.


Surffly, count me wrong on the front end thing.   As long as it feels right, it probably is.  (that's what she said)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 13, 2013, 23:26:52
Nope not mob rule.
That's how we got a million cb350swith benelli tanks and 74848mm carbs...lol

I do like to hear, see other people's bikes and opinions.
I promise I'll get some good pictures of the bike with the bars that are more faltering.
I agree it looks funny in the pictures I posted.

Will call cycle x tomorrow to see if they can bend up a set of pipes in 550 diameter.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: hillsy on Aug 14, 2013, 01:54:40
Can you swap those springer plates over with each other so they point up and the axle is a bit higher? It would give you a softer front (don't know if that's good or bad though....)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 14, 2013, 11:15:44
I don't have the ground clearance to lower the bike even if I wanted to swap the links.
Also swapping the links would change the geometry of the front end, and not for the better from what I understand.

On the list is to get a picture of the front end straight and with weight on it.
Should clear up any concerns.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 20, 2013, 15:33:58
Well I got some time yesterday in the garage.  Some steps forward and some things still on the list.
Got the carbs installed and no leaks....so no fires this time so thats good.  Bike runs well with the 42/110s in it.  Still some tuning to be done and they need to be synced.
Bike also needs new points and condensers.
Starts well when cold, less so when hot....but that might be a different issue...we will get there.....
Revs OK too.

Found that the black wire from the regulator was not connected.  I was already in there with another regulator so i just replaced it.  Charging at 13.4 volts?  Better then the 12volts it was at....or no charging.  I ran the bike around for a while, but when I got home and tried to restart the bike it was low on juice.  No sure if it is still the charging issue or I just ran the battery down over the day buy starting and stopping so much.
Lights where bright the whole day.

The bike is WAY to freaking loud.  I dont like any of my neighbors anyway, but this is making me mad....

With the new steering stem bearings the bike no longer flops from side to side like it did.
At speed the bike is stable enough to take your hands off the bars.

I need to replace the gasket in the gas cap....ask me how I know....

The sprockets that are on it now need to go.  55mph is like the middle of 3rd and its just a pain in the ass to ride around town with that gearing.  Could use some suggestions as to proper gear ratio and a place to source the parts.  I know sprocket specialist but the last quote I got from them was CRAZY money I thought.

Bars are super comfortable and give great control.

Now the big issue....
There is a MASSIVE oil leak.
Its coming from behind the engine cover that covers the front sprocket.  I assume its the oil seal for the output shaft.  Or is there a chain oiler in there too?  I didnt pull the cover yet.

Was trying to get to the NYCVinMoto show at Works Engineering with the chopper this year but I dont think that will happen.

Anyway, now for the pictures.


(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps17b7b807.jpg)
Do you know how hard it is to take a picture of a wall with no graffiti?
Going full hipster with the bell 500 and the freebie gico sunglasses.....



(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsea2e5ce5.jpg)
Look at that tail light....



(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps5750e0ce.jpg)


(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps0b26131f.jpg)
Burn marks on the seat

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps771c9e14.jpg)


(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps7dfc4c4d.jpg)
How cool is that points cover?

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps9e47cd5d.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps886c5a33.jpg)
Dont call the EPA

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps333351f6.jpg)


Had a funny idea while watching those idiots on gas monkey garage the other day.....
Well I figure over the winter the motor will come out to do the head gasket and while im there I should freshen up some other things in the motor.
While the motor is out I was thinking about having the frame clear coated.  Thought that it would preserve the look and protect the bike.  That way it can still be cleaned, but have the great look that only comes with 40 years of age.  Really you have to see the frame in the light to see the beautiful green copper flakes in the paint.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 20, 2013, 15:57:03
Dude, I love this bike.  Did that sweet points cover come from an SOHC/4 guy?  I know I've seen is somewhere. 


You can pull the front sprocket cover, that leak is probably the output shaft seal.  No chain oiler in there, at least not on mine...ymmv.


I like the clearcoat frame idea.  If it was me, I'd pull it apart and clean it really well.  Eastwood makes a nice single stage rattle can clear that is pretty gunk resistant. 

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: rays650cafe on Aug 20, 2013, 16:01:58
That would be cool. What are you going to do with the seat? IMO I think it would look awesome with a sprung solo seat. Although, it is pretty badass as it is. I'd be afraid of cleaning it up too much, y'know? Going from looking like a old school survivor to a half finished kind of thing. Which is what I would probably end up with. ::)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 20, 2013, 18:23:29
Yes the cover came from a very active member on the sohc4 board.
He makes great stuff.
http://www.fb-stuff.com/fb-stuff-store.html


The clear coat was just the beginnings of an idea.
I don't want to loose the patina, but don't want it to rust bad.
Would also like to be able to clean the bike in some way.
Anyhow it's just kicking around my head. 


Oil leak first.
I know the 750s have an oiler.  This is my first 550.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Aug 20, 2013, 18:43:54
yeah.... the cool thing about the chopper is it's  a '70s time capsule... do too much and it will no longer be a   "survivor" .   

 ( ewe,  clubmans  :o ) 

 
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 20, 2013, 19:09:31
Yep, fb-stuff...thanks for the refresh link.  I'd seen it awhile back looking for sidecovers. 



Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 20, 2013, 19:44:49
Bike had drags on it at some point.
Was unrideable for me.

A straighter bar without the risers might put the controls in the same spot.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 20, 2013, 20:19:24
You guys gotta quit with the clubman hate... Haha... He digs it AND lots of choppers in the way back ran them. No bullshit.

As far as the clearcoat idea, I think its rad. Won't stop shit from continuing to rust, but will keep it from happening quickly. All in all, this bike is 110% bitchin'.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Aug 20, 2013, 20:28:13
aw, come on... I was going to compliment his work and conclude each "great job William" ... with an:  ewe, clubmans ? , really ?


seriously tho, if they are soft and comfy, it's your bike  :D
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 20, 2013, 23:28:45
I'm a big boy, I can't handle someone not liking something.
The bars started as a joke, as so many people use clubmans wrong, we thought it would be funny if they worked on this bike.  And they do.
It's a chopper so there are a million ways to do the same thing.
At first I thought that it was funny having risers just to use drop bars, but it has a good look in profile and gives a nice spot to mount the Nav and what not.  Planing some trips for the fall, if the bike is done.....


How do you know my name is william?
Have I heckled you in person or do we know the same people?
 
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Aug 21, 2013, 08:45:15

How do you know my name is william?
Have I heckled you in person or do we know the same people?
 

We had exchanged messages a few times ( CBX stuff, swan necks etc )  but mostly by knowing the same folks from racing and vintage performance  forums (and a select individual banned from DTT that would love to comment on the chopper, yet is prohibited from doing so  ;D  )

the clubmans do look good in profile, carry on sir !
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 21, 2013, 10:37:29
An yes, sorry.  I'm bad with names and worse with avatars.

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: ProSimex on Aug 22, 2013, 11:07:00
have you checked the trail on that front end?  If it feels good to ride then no worries.  looking at it those rockers should be flipped around, looks like you have plenty of clearance.  the springer arms should be running paralell with each other, not meeting at the end like that.  at best youre killing the bushings in that springer, or is youve bent the front springer fork. 
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 22, 2013, 13:35:59
Again, the material I have seen from the manufacture shows the links installed this way.
Also he picture is with no weight on it.
Check back a page or two for the manufacture picture.
Nothing is bent.
I'm side the front end could use a service, but just as preventative maintaince
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 22, 2013, 13:37:36
lol, surffly, you're going to be answering that a few more times I'm sure...
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 22, 2013, 13:52:38
It's ok.
I'm no expert on this kind of thing.
I first thought it was wrong too, but I trust the manufacture picture and how it rides more then just "a look". 
Also when I sit on the bike the front end links are more parallel, I need to get a picture of that to put everyone's minds at ease.
I would like to learn how to check the slide bushing and springs though.
It's no sport bike, but on the highway it's stable enough to take my hands off the bars.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Sep 17, 2013, 21:43:02
Nothing like taking a month to take an engine cover off only to confirm that the seal you thought was bad was in fact bad.

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps31c3798a.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpsb9bf0148.jpg)


So now to order some parts...
Figured I might as well rebuild the oil pump while I'm here.
What do I need?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: hillsy on Sep 17, 2013, 21:48:22
Speaking of bad - that's a good word for the front sprocket by the looks of it  :o
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Sep 17, 2013, 22:47:29
Yep, defiantly needs sprockets too.
I need to figure out a gear ratio as well.
What's stock on a 550?   
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Sep 18, 2013, 08:44:50
The stock was a 17t / 37t ,  here is the graph showing top speeds with various gearing options from  http://www.gearingcommander.com/

(http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz121/deanjarrett1/cafe%20bikes/cb550gearing_zpsa95f7209.jpg) (http://s820.photobucket.com/user/deanjarrett1/media/cafe%20bikes/cb550gearing_zpsa95f7209.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Oct 01, 2013, 12:15:22
Thanks for the gearing chart.
Will make ordering the parts much easier.

Got the chopper back to my garage finally.
Looks small even next to my 125
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps17957b4a.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps4d172d95.jpg)

Tried to use my cb550 ard mounting plate to mount a magneto drive.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps59776fe8.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps8c4b7af5.jpg)
You can see that the mounting holes are drilled for a 550 and not a 750(top)

No cigar...
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps621fb5c9.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps21d66753.jpg)
So now back on the hunt for some pictures to try and figure out what I'm missing.

Still have not sat down and found all the little orings and seals ill need to fix the oil leak.
Figured I would rebuild the oil pump too.  Been to busy with school to do much wrenching.

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Oct 01, 2013, 13:20:10
Looking good...... and your sweet 125 reminds me I need to scan ebay again for a CL100 beer rack

... btw, that's a nice looking snow shovel collection  ;D
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Oct 01, 2013, 14:03:44
Beer rack is the best mod ever.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DesmoBro on Oct 01, 2013, 14:10:34
Wow all those Bikes and king tut's tomb....where do you get all this stuff?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Oct 01, 2013, 15:50:38
So now to order some parts...
Figured I might as well rebuild the oil pump while I'm here.
What do I need?

Apart from a couple of 'O' rings, there really isn't much to do inside pump.
Just check the clearances are good.
There is a short tube in sump from pick up to transmission oil pump, that is probably worth changing (only on 550f)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Oct 01, 2013, 18:56:30
Wow all those Bikes and king tut's tomb....where do you get all this stuff?

That was a grade school project that I didn't have the heart to toss.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Oct 22, 2013, 20:56:50
More dress up parts for a non usable bike...lol
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps59647d59.jpg)



Did finally get off my butt and order the oil seals and a few other OEM parts the old girl needed.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps9f4cc21d.jpg)


Thinking that over the winter ill pop the motor out for a freshening up.
Might do a "gentleman's express" style motor, so I'm starting to collect those parts.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Oct 31, 2013, 17:53:55
Had some time today so I spend it on the chopper.

Motor needed to come out for gaskets and such.
Came out without much fuss, way easier then a stock frame!
Bunch of parts already here, bunch more to order.

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps90fd25ba.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps45a2180f.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps072b567f.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zps8a24e39e.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/null_zpscdc4f948.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: VonYinzer on Oct 31, 2013, 18:03:31
Good to see ya getting at it. I really need to weld up an engine stand bracket for my XS motor. That damned thing weighs a ton. Pain in the ass to work on just sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Oct 31, 2013, 21:49:14
I just used some angle Al from Lowes.  Not the best, but works.
Would be nice to have something more "professional"
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 01, 2013, 13:22:57
I'm looking at the 750 lb stand from HF.  Then some iron mounts for the bike engine.  My 550 engine seems dainty compared to the xs650 motor.  Doing anything with the frame or chassis while the motor is out?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Nov 01, 2013, 21:05:51
Just cleaning.
Thought about clear coating the frame, but not sure about the work.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: DeanJ on Nov 04, 2013, 13:16:21
+1 preserve that sweetness  :D
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Nov 07, 2013, 19:46:31
Got the top end off.
Not a lot of good news...
At some point the motor kind of ate one of the tensioners...

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/8441750080b93a98400d8d3d00a80345_zpse34e3d69.jpg)


Some oil starvation..
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/64dc7eb33970e2593cde9005e0af0aca_zpsba260a2a.jpg)

Very broken.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/a62e5f2fe0f5a7fcfb41d0af4dc56074_zpsc3263d52.jpg)
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/2c2a6b609df8bce6ca6c9f542bb8e135_zps24021968.jpg)

I assume Honda doesn't make these any more either.  So on the hunt for a replacement.
Also going to need to find the rest of the broken parts in the engine.

Joy
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Nov 27, 2013, 00:47:45
New cam chain guide vs old one

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/8D6AEFA9-6C9F-4F62-A0B8-0CAE7EE263B4_zpsnm1xhjbd.jpg)

And a broken valve guide...
Wasn't happy to find this, along with the bent valve that caused it.
Just more parts to replace and work to do.
Not 100% sure what the plan should be, or will be for this yet.

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/4BA20E88-3863-403A-AFC4-C7BC8E86C46E_zpstita6s00.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on Nov 27, 2013, 06:39:13
chainguide was in backwards ::)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: Floegstad on Nov 27, 2013, 07:17:05
Nice bike, i have a similar bc 500 untiteled wich i have at my cabin to drag my ass around the forestroads by winter, i got a155/16 dubbed car tyre in the back ,only snowdrifting with it.
Keep it up,they are fun as hell to ride
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Nov 27, 2013, 10:38:33
chainguide was in backwards ::)

I think it was forcefully turned around, but who knows
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Nov 27, 2013, 11:09:51
Cam bearing doesn't look all that hot either.
Might be better to replace the head...
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: SONIC. on Nov 27, 2013, 11:26:33
Yeah I was about to say, cam journal looks about toast
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Apr 21, 2014, 13:40:56
Scored a replacement head on ebay a while back.
Stripped and rebuilt it so that solves one issue.

Need to rince out the gunk from the bottom end of the motor.  Also make sure no passages are blocked.
Then the motor can go back together and in.

As always I am behind the time frame I was hoping for, but at least im still having fun
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Apr 21, 2014, 22:27:28
Top of valve gets bent when the rockers are not held up during re-assembly.
I always back adjusters off so they are level with the rocker arms as well as using rubber bands from intake to exhaust rockers
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Apr 22, 2014, 00:28:01
Really?  Never thought about that.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Apr 22, 2014, 01:03:53
After the first time, you NEVER screw up again  ;)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on May 05, 2014, 14:47:48
On the hunt for a local hardware store with a 16X1.5 bolt to use as a flywheel puller.
Think that is the right size
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on May 05, 2014, 15:09:06
sometimes the rear axle works ;)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on May 05, 2014, 15:22:28
Thats the trick on the CB750s, dont think it applies to 550s.
Nothing I had worked, mostly just lazy and cheap or i would have ordered the motion pro tool the other day.

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jul 23, 2014, 19:13:08
So I'm still plugging away on this thing.
Graduated, now I'm an engineer!  Mechanical with an aerospace concentration.
On job hunt now.

Mostly been riding my 1100f.
Was mildly looking for a complete replacement engine as to not waste more time.

Got a timing chain, but I don't have a riveter.  Don't really want to spend the money on one, but unsure if there is another way.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: xb33bsa on Jul 23, 2014, 22:00:55
use a small ball pien hammer with a careful backup, heavy weight
it only takes a weensy bit to make it secure
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jul 23, 2014, 23:33:00
Might have to try that.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 24, 2014, 14:28:21
So I'm still plugging away on this thing.
Graduated, now I'm an engineer!  Mechanical with an aerospace concentration.
On job hunt now.


Hey man - Congrats and good luck!

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jul 24, 2014, 16:58:14
Hate filling out applications.
Why upload a resume and then spend 3 hours filling in company forms online asking for info in the resume?

Looks like I'll be relocating bases on the interviews I'm getting.
So my "new" shop truck will have to go.
Might thin the fleet of bikes a bit too, but defiantly not the choppa
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 01, 2014, 17:43:55
Well the plot thickens a little bit.
I thought that I could just lift the crank up and slide the chain off to install an endless chain.  That seems not to be the case.  With the primary? chain in place I cant get the crank high enough to slide the chain off.  I assume that the shaft needs to be pulled out some how?  Cant seem to figure out how it comes out.  Any tips or help?

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/3ba1f24026e3e960a01927c7057783b1_zps02e22b68.jpg)
The one side, assume the bearing needs to be pulled as well?

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/1cbf8642a63d44d7944cfabb32adb1ef_zps83603f13.jpg)
Doesn't seem to be a good place to push from

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/76fc45e42e04d73ddc1afd335aa9d513_zps58c2cdff.jpg)
The offender
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: HerrDeacon on Aug 01, 2014, 18:11:27
I believe the procedure is listed in the manual.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 01, 2014, 20:35:00
Walked into that one...

Shows a honda tool being used.
More like a slide hammer with a bolt.

Ill try and rig something.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Aug 01, 2014, 21:10:13
Primary shaft just slides out.
 Heat the case a bit so bearing moves easier
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 01, 2014, 21:49:37
That did the trick.
So now on to installing the master link.

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 06, 2014, 17:34:09
Well I tried to ghetto install the master link and was just not happy with the results so I ordered an endless chain.
Should have done this a while ago.

The hits just keep on coming.
Had some time in the shop to get the motor back together.....On the one side of the gear shaft is a needle bearing.
Seems that I am now missing a needle......
looked in all of my bins and bags from this motor.  Will need to go behind the bench and look.  Kinda pissed at myself.
Dont know if it is a part I can buy new, or if anyone has one.....
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/09BCCE71-658B-4C5A-AC65-34332D5725EA_zps3966y40d.jpg)
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Aug 06, 2014, 19:26:08
Pretty sure you can't buy one.
 Full set may be available?
I'll check tomorrow if I have any, I have a 'ded' case but can't remember if I had bearings
 Try McMaster Carr for needle bearings
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Aug 06, 2014, 20:24:40
Yep, can't buy the parts or the whole thing.
Did buy one on eBay.  $14 shipped, so I'll count that as a win.
Hope it's here Monday so I can button this motor up.
Want at least one day at the beach/bar with it.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Dec 22, 2016, 11:09:41
The time has come to get back to this pile of awesome!

For a while now the bike has just been sitting.  I never put the motor back together or did much of anything.

Insert a million excuses of working of the Seeley or playing with Nortons.......

Well now I would like to get back to this bike so I have something funny to take to the local Cars&Coffee or just to aggravate the neighbors with.

Since the motor is apart I figured I should "build" it a bit.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/Cycle11-75GE1_zpsudhxef6y.jpg)

Plan to keep things "old school" and run modified CB750 pistons.
Scored a set of NOS pistons for under $150!
Also scored a CB650 cam for $40!

Not looking for a full race engine or anything, just something fun and interesting.
Had been looking for an Abe Henry kit for a while, but no luck.
I have a CB550 POSA fuel injector (just a carb really) that I might run. 
REALLY REALLY want to find/buy an ARD magneto for it too.


So the basic idea is to have a fresh engine to drop back into the bike.
Few other small things need doing like a new harness.

Only thing that I have not figured out is exhaust.  I cant just headers as drag pipes any more.
Bike sounds like crap, is WAY to loud....also there was that whole fire thing.....

Long story short, I am back at this thing.
Nothing crazy epic to report yet.
Stay tuned.

 
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: The Jimbonaut on Dec 22, 2016, 13:48:16
Great looking bike mate, bet you're glad to be working on it again - can you let me know where you got the clear alternator cover - you posted a pic of it back on page one? 
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Dec 22, 2016, 14:15:58
Covers, and other great parts here.

http://www.fb-stuff.com/fb-stuff-store.html
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: The Jimbonaut on Dec 22, 2016, 14:38:47
Nice one, thanks man
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: Rider52 on Dec 22, 2016, 15:38:15
This is a great project. You have a nice selection of "back in the day" quality products. I've built several Hondas on AMEN frames and never had a problem. In 1971 a wrecked 550 was dropped off at our shop. The owner wanted it built into a chopper while he was recovering from the wreck. We used an AMEN frame with the HD 1" neck and a 6" over Ness narrow springer. It was  nice and light, and handled very well. I think you will enjoy it when you are finished.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Dec 22, 2016, 20:10:51
I already had a nice few rides on the bike.
Just like you said, nice and light.

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: VonYinzer on Dec 22, 2016, 20:41:57
I know this is a cafe joint, and I love them too. Working on a period RD cafe myself. But fuck all. Nothing says awesome like a proper chop.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Dec 23, 2016, 14:27:08
Yeah it is just pure distilled fun!

Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 27, 2017, 10:42:59
While the Chopper has been on the back burner for a while, it is not dead or forgotten.
During a spring cleaning of my storage unit I moved it to the front of the garage, and dug out some needed parts.

Last season my daily ride was my Norton Commando.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/Norton/Norton%20850/IMG_0747_zpsqzcrt6yr.jpg)

And the plan was to have my Moto Guzzi Ambassador be the daily mount this year, but that has not worked out yet.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/Moto%20Guzzi/283CE1A7-C3A8-49D2-9EE0-F066CB4C1AF7_zpslfvzbjox.jpg)

Since I only have room to work on one motorcycle at a time, the Chopper has not gotten much love.
BUT, I can cross off some small projects.  I do this by bringing some small sub systems home to my apartment and working on them there after dinner.

What better thing to work on then some outdated and rare ignition?!?!
Not like the top end is off the motor, or that the bike needs a harness to run......NOPE....focus on the important parts....

Over the winter I did score some NOS CB750 pistons for my "Gentleman's Express" engine build.
Need to find a local shop that can modify the pistons and bore the cylinders.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/e168d11072d7d2d77c83a4423e95f821_zps2vec2brq.jpg)
Have a CB650 cam, and debating on a mild head job too.

Ended up with an ARD magneto set up for a CB550, NOT a CB750 one.
I really like these units, and have rebuilt a bunch of them.  Super simple, good spark, and look killer.

BUT, I just wound up with a Roto-Faze unit!
This is just next level strange!
Really have a thing for parts that make people go..."what the heck is that?" and this defiantly falls into that category.

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/jaguarsurfer/chopper/0dc95413b5cce19135786b5458a19fb4_zpsrqarobbu.jpg)

Will need a major service, and some rebuild parts for sure.
Roto-Faze seems to be around still, so maybe they can help.
I assume that the service parts like points, cap and rotor are used in other applications.
Just like service parts for an ARD are the same as an old tractor.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: irk miller on Jun 27, 2017, 10:48:49
Good stuff.  This is the year my 70s era CB750 chop sees the light, too.  Maybe it's that sort of year.  And that Guzzi is gold.
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: crazypj on Jun 27, 2017, 14:23:54
Cool old stuff.
Maybe Roto-Faze used an old VW Beetle cap as it was about the cheapest on the market at that time?
 I have a few sets of CB750 pistons but all are 0.50mm or 9.75mm oversize. Going to modify a set for my 77 CB550 as it's done over 74,000miles on the 'original' CB750 'stock' pistons (if I ever get back to Britain while I can still function properly?) Going to need new liners to use anything other than 0.50mm though, spigot gets way too thin
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: irk miller on Jun 27, 2017, 15:08:09
That's a Ford B Model distributor.  The advance on them looks almost identical to the mechanical advance on the CB750.  Does it have the single points contact?
Title: Re: Real back in the day survivor
Post by: surffly on Jun 27, 2017, 17:26:44
Cool old stuff.
Maybe Roto-Faze used an old VW Beetle cap as it was about the cheapest on the market at that time?
 I have a few sets of CB750 pistons but all are 0.50mm or 9.75mm oversize. Going to modify a set for my 77 CB550 as it's done over 74,000miles on the 'original' CB750 'stock' pistons (if I ever get back to Britain while I can still function properly?) Going to need new liners to use anything other than 0.50mm though, spigot gets way too thin

NICE.
Wanta do another set?

The RC Engineering unit used a reverse rotation VW unit.  I think this is a Ford unit.
That's a Ford B Model distributor.  The advance on them looks almost identical to the mechanical advance on the CB750.  Does it have the single points contact?

I have heard that it might be Ford.
Dual points.