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Title: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 09, 2017, 00:18:20
Thanks to the gracious delivery of this 70's era plunger frame from New Mexico to Alabama by Canyoncarver, I'm jumping into this chopper build with two feet. I've reached out to several forums, sorted through various catalogs and ads from the 70s, but have yet to identify the manufacturer with complete confidence.  I think it's definitely a production style frame, considering the neck.  It has two pressed in cups for a common neck tube.  The CB750 triple tree that came with the frame has a modified stem to account for the longer neck. 

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We're in the sketching  phase, so things can change wildly.  Ultimately, I want to avoid common cues like peanut tanks....


It took some machine work on the steering neck cups and the RM stem to make this RM front end work...

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Here is sits with a 1991 RM250 front end and RM wheels front and rear.  I like the dimension of the dirt bike wheels, plus they're aluminum.   If I decide to go drum on the rear wheel, I may go 70s era XL350.

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 09, 2017, 09:57:34
 I'm in

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Ryan Stecken on Oct 09, 2017, 10:37:52
Hell yeah man.Count me in.  8)  8)  8)
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 09, 2017, 16:37:42
Work slower. You make everyone else look bad.
Jackass.

Looks cool though  ;D
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 09, 2017, 17:27:58
Those forks are AWESOME on that frame.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 10, 2017, 00:33:08
Grades and comments for midterms are due tomorrow, so what do I do?  Make a mount for a headlight...

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 10, 2017, 00:37:00
That headlight on there is the shizzle.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: 63SSRagtop on Oct 10, 2017, 01:40:19
Dig the frame, I've never seen one quite like this either.. can't tell if it's a weld on rear half or whole frame.. You are probably aware that the front end may be really spongy for the weight of the bike as the build goes on.. they are designed for much more travel than a street bike front end.. I've read that the fluid movevement can be restricted with a machined piece and/or stiffer springs.. worked on a cafe Suzuki that had 250 forks, they looked cool but damn it moved around way too much.. cool project though! Will keep tabs!

That frame looks to me like a Jammer frame, canít find any reference to one with a plunger rear, but someone at some point could have grafted in a Santee rear section..
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 10, 2017, 07:47:54
Dig the frame, I've never seen one quite like this either.. can't tell if it's a weld on rear half or whole frame.. You are probably aware by that front end may be really spongy for the weight of the bike as the build goes on.. they are designed for much more travel than a street bike front end.. I've read that the fluid movevement can be restricted with a machined Peice and/or stiffer springs.. worked on a cafe Suzuki that had 250 forks, they looked cool but damn it moved around way too much.. cool project though! Will keep tabs!

That frame looks to me like a Jammer frame, canít find any reference to one with a plunger rear, but someone at some point could have grafted in a Santee rear section..

Yeah, I'm definitely considering the possibility that these forks won't work. I have tried them on a heavier dual sport contraption I built, so I think there's room to make them work here.  This is one iteration, with potentially several others. They can be valved and fluid levels adjusted to effect the dampening on these to account for weight. The rake is a big factor, as well.

I've narrowed my opinion of the frame manufacturer to either Jammer or an early Santee. Though, all the Santee plunger frames seem to have a goose neck. You may be right on about the plunger being grafted on a Jammer. The tubes which mount the springs certainly suggest that possibility...

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Oct 10, 2017, 09:08:42
Choppers are dumb. And I love them.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Oct 10, 2017, 11:21:25
Ha, I usually hate rectangle lights but it suits this bike well. Looking forward to more of course.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 10, 2017, 22:07:01
I barely pull in my driveway from the trip and you've already got a front end on it.  !    Sweet.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 11, 2017, 07:56:27
Had a little convo with Race Tech.  I could go as high as .52kg/mm on springs in these forks.  Stock is .36kg/mm.  We'll see how it acts with weight and go from there.  Regardless, I feel pretty good that we'll find a match with rake and trail considerations.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: jag767 on Oct 12, 2017, 05:21:37
That front end looks like it has a ton of travel, do you have to limit it with a spacer or something or does it not matter? Btw it also looks fantastic on that frame.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 12, 2017, 07:49:03
That front end looks like it has a ton of travel, do you have to limit it with a spacer or something or does it not matter? Btw it also looks fantastic on that frame.
  I imagine there will be enough travel to hit the frame to floor if I were to jump it, but running on the street will just waste most of what it has available. As long as Race Tech has the right springs, these forks should work well.  I have a VZ800 front end to swap in, if this setup doesn't work. 
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: surffly on Oct 12, 2017, 09:09:25
Choppers are the best worst bikes ever!
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 12, 2017, 09:43:35
Choppers are the best worst bikes ever!
Hell yeah they are!!!
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 12, 2017, 09:48:37
I didn't take any glorious actions shots, but man you should've seen me getting all the Bondo off this frame.  Fuck that 70s smoothed out look.  I learned an old body shop trick with removing paint and bondo, which is to get a fan tip for a torch and go apeshit with a scraper and stiff wire brush.  It weakens the Bondo so you can scrape it off, or brush it off.  Thick areas require a few passes.  Some of it drops in flames.  Then clean up the mess on the floor with a broom.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: advCo on Oct 12, 2017, 11:06:21
I didn't take any glorious actions shots, but man you should've seen me getting all the Bondo off this frame.  Fuck that 70s smoothed out look.  I learned an old body shop trick with removing paint and bondo, which is to get a fan tip for a torch and go apeshit with a scraper and stiff wire brush.  It weakens the Bondo so you can scrape it off, or brush it off.  Thick areas require a few passes.  Some of it drops in flames.  Then clean up the mess on the floor with a broom.

Sweet, I got a whole Ghia worth of Bondo to strip off. This will be useful.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Redbird on Oct 12, 2017, 12:36:46
Subscribed.
I see the bones of the Deviant Hellride in the background. Is she supplying the lump for this girl?
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 12, 2017, 12:50:15
Subscribed.
I see the bones of the Deviant Hellride in the background. Is she supplying the lump for this girl?
That she is.  I thought about running those mags too.  We'll see how things go.  E and I are convinced that bike is cursed.  Hopefully the motor can be exercised. 
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: 3DogNate on Oct 13, 2017, 14:34:22
Watching.... plunger frames are cool
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: WhyNot on Oct 13, 2017, 14:47:44
I'm watching all the other builds, might as well jump in for the ride on this one.........

Jack

Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 13, 2017, 15:41:03
Thanks fellas. 

Got tires mounted.  I may go 18" or 17" on the rear instead.  This is 19" with a big ol flat track tire mounted.  21" up front.  I'll be looking at this setup for a while.

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Oct 13, 2017, 15:50:18
The big ole flat track tire makes the rear look bigger than the front which is weird or not right looking. Now maybe with a fender on the back it might look better?
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 13, 2017, 15:59:09
The big ole flat track tire makes the rear look bigger than the front which is weird or not right looking. Now maybe with a fender on the back it might look better?
It's 1.5" taller in the rear, which is a look not uncommon for digger style choppers.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 13, 2017, 16:42:39
The 21" looks great up front.  That rake is perfect.  I'd try the 17" rear.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 13, 2017, 16:50:38
I like the big rear tire.
Reminds me of a dragster  8)
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: clem on Oct 13, 2017, 18:40:27
Bam! Throw some top fuel flare on that thing.

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 13, 2017, 19:00:07
I like the big rear tire.

Me too!

Once the motor, tank, seat, etc. are in place it should look just right.

Crazy
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 13, 2017, 19:51:43
Yes!
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: WhyNot on Oct 14, 2017, 07:00:24
Yep, like the stance.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: jag767 on Oct 14, 2017, 07:20:19
Definitely drop to an 18 rear, front looks great!
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 14, 2017, 12:45:58
Lump installed.  Goddamn, it's a heavy lump.

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 14, 2017, 13:36:42
I can dig it

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 14, 2017, 18:01:35
I do not like choppers.
For some reason I like this.
You have my permission to proceed.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 14, 2017, 18:59:47
I do not like choppers.
For some reason I like this.
You have my permission to proceed.

Ha!  Thanks.  Brad and Ard are telling me to scrap the plunger and make it a hardtail.  I have that inclination but I kinda want to stick with the plunger, if only because there aren't many out there. 
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 14, 2017, 19:34:43
Oh no, you just gotta keep it as is. 
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Oct 14, 2017, 19:38:19
With the lump in rear tire looks better anf I agree keep plunger frame. Anyone can have a hardtail.  Plungers are more rare and different.  And we all know you're different
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 14, 2017, 20:04:45
 Yep, my vote (Not that it matters) is to keep the plunger. Plus, if you hate it, it will be easy enough to hard tail later

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 14, 2017, 20:14:11
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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 14, 2017, 21:00:43
well, that was quick.
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 14, 2017, 21:14:29
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Didn't anyone ever tell you not to give in to peer pressure?
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 14, 2017, 22:24:06
Ha

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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 15, 2017, 00:39:13
They look so sad.

Can I have them?
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 15, 2017, 02:15:27
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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 15, 2017, 02:24:07
Ever since the deal with Kelly to get the frame, lots of research has happened. If it were a legit Amen or original plunger, I would've kept it a plunger no matter what. The more I dug, the more I realized someone added a plunger kit in the 70s.

As the research goes, there is only one suspension worse then a hardtail and that's a plunger. Awful ride and awful handling. Plus they destroy your drivetrain because the  suspension acts independently since there's no swing arm. Talking to some old school chopper guys, the only way to fix them is to add a torsion bar. I decided to make it a hardtail instead.




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Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 15, 2017, 02:29:00
Time to change the name  8)
Title: Re: 70s Era CB750 Plunger Hellride
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 15, 2017, 05:29:53
there is only one suspension worse then a hardtail and that's a plunger.

True!

Even with a swing arm they're pretty dubious.

Crazy
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 15, 2017, 07:19:50
I see your point now.
I thought it would be similar to the older BMW models.  But, after looking closer, I now realize the BMWs do have a fully active swing arm.  Along w utilizing the drive shaft tube.  Just kinda hard to see exactly whats happening there as most are painted black and that suspension is hardly noticeable.

Learn something everyday...check.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: clem on Oct 15, 2017, 10:49:11
Sell those things to a plumber and use the money to buy more radness for this bike.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 15, 2017, 12:12:37
Sell those things to a plumber and use the money to buy more radness for this bike.

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Ha!  I can't keep my washing machine drain from clogging.  Maybe I can throw those fuckers down there. 
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Redbird on Oct 15, 2017, 12:58:35
I have that inclination but I kinda want to stick with the plunger, if only because there aren't many out there. 
As the research goes, there is only one suspension worse then a hardtail and that's a plunger.
If that's the case, I think I would've welded up the Plunger in a fixed position and ran that instead. That way it would ride like a hardtail, but look like a plunger.
Sadly (for me), the frame has lost it's "hook", and now looks like a cookie cutter hardtail.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 15, 2017, 13:56:53
If that's the case, I think I would've welded up the Plunger in a fixed position and ran that instead. That way it would ride like a hardtail, but look like a plunger.
Sadly (for me), the frame has lost it's "hook", and now looks like a cookie cutter hardtail.
Sorry to disappoint.  It was a hard decision that I went back and forth on for months.  Thanks for making it easier.  It's not a cookie cutter kit to turn it into a hard tail and it's not cookie cutter axle plates.  That's all done by me in my own design.  I figured I'd lose some fans of this build with the decision, but I gained a few inches in length to sit (which it needed) and I won't wobble and die at high speeds (which is common with plungers).  Not sure how welding up the plunger to make it into a fake plunger is better than turning it into a hardtail.  I'm not into faking things.  I might not always do it right, but I do it honestly.  Considering I've just been told that it's a waste of these USD forks on a hardtail, I'm definitely building a roster of vocal critics.  I'm sure this build will attract way more vocal critics than I have now. 
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 15, 2017, 14:58:01
I recycled the plunger axle plates and boxed them out. Put in torsion bars to stiffen up the frame.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Redbird on Oct 15, 2017, 15:41:33
I wasn't trying to bash or suggest you should do anything differently. Nor am I disappointed. I'm of the opinion that "it's your bike, do whatever makes you happy".
I'm no Bob/Chop suspension (or anything else) expert, but it seemed to me the "unusualness" of the plunger rear was the draw. Now it no longer has that.
And all I was "pondering" with making a fake plunger was to keep the unusualness of it while improving the function. Fundamentally the same premise as using a vintage headlight and/or taillight shell, but installing LED fixtures/bulbs to improve visibility/safety.

But you do you dude. Don't let me interrupt. I'll keep my uneducated musings to myself, as not to be lumped in with the rabble rousers ;) :P
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Cookie on Oct 15, 2017, 16:21:47
"The Hellride Formerly Known as Plunger"?

Lol

True it loses some uniqueness without the plunger  rear end, but as you said Irk, it wasn't born that way, and the plunger that were cobbled from hardtails were even more unsafe than the handrails they started out as. Kind of like those guys who make a "hardtail" by bolting some steel rod in where the rear shocks used to be.

It may not have the same character, but it's still pretty sexy looking! My only gripe is that you seem to be able to turn out projects faster than I can read your posts about them!

And I for one like the forks. Wasteful or not, they give it character that a cookie cutter hardtail will otherwise lack.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 15, 2017, 17:32:16
Captain America's got what you need.  LOL
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Maybe a little more this...
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You definitely gotta do the king/queen w sissy bar.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 15, 2017, 20:39:50
Captain America's got what you need.  LOL
(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-151017153116.jpeg)

Maybe a little more this...
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You definitely gotta do the king/queen w sissy bar.


Ha! I doubt I'll do that seat. You saw that Schwinn girder front I got from Levi, right? That goes on the bike I got from you.


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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 15, 2017, 22:14:40
I like the new length and the bracing.  Do you think you'll have to run a mid-chain tensioner ?
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 15, 2017, 22:20:20
I like the new length and the bracing.  Do you think you'll have to run a mid-chain tensioner ?
Not sure.  The length really doesn't seem bad.  I'm waiting on the screws to mount the rear sprocket then I'll measure it up.  The local dealer didn't have a long 520 chain in stock, so I have to order.  I have a tensioner here just in case. 
Title: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 16, 2017, 17:15:09
Nothing like getting a couple of days off for Fall Break and literally spending all day on a bracket to mount your coils #noglory

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Oct 16, 2017, 23:12:47
Thats a clean and tight mount. I like it and with the hardtail the rear tire looks better to me too.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 17, 2017, 01:02:32
Thanks, Mike.

A couple quick little updates...

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Brakes: I have to figure out a tab for the rear stay. Something I can try to machine tomorrow.

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Sprockets: I'm running a 38 tooth rear and a 14 tooth counter. The counter sprocket is an XL250 sprocket, with a machined spacer.  Honda ran a common counter shaft tooth for several bikes, which is really convenient when you want to convert a CB750 to 520 chain.


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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 17, 2017, 01:16:24
Way better pics.  I dig how you did the axle plate now I can see it.    Cool.
Title: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 17, 2017, 11:31:18
Machined a brake stay and got it mounted...

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 17, 2017, 20:35:31
More brake stuff (lines will eventually be SS AN )...

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 17, 2017, 21:13:28
yep. I agree with sonic. You need to slow down. your making us all look bad.

In 2 days you have gotten more done than I do in months on my projects lol

Lookin good bro
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 18, 2017, 00:00:56
Started making a seat pan. I really just want to be able to sit down on it...

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Oct 19, 2017, 09:47:47
Fuck yeah, man!
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 19, 2017, 20:04:56
This is getting dangerously close to looking like you know what you're doing.
Once you're no longer a hack you're not welcome here anymore  ;D

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Title: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 20, 2017, 02:02:05
I promise, I'm still a hack.

I've decided to go with a first gen XL350 tank, because I like the shape and I have an idea for placement of my ignition switch. I saw opportunity in the cutout for the carb.  This tank is just for mocking. A good tank is en route...

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Seat pan is basically done. Waiting on the springs, then mount. Covering may be the last thing I do.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 20, 2017, 07:35:06
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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: WhyNot on Oct 20, 2017, 10:42:18
Man Eric, that is nice, just wish I had some of your gumption to do something to the "too many" projects I have.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: advCo on Oct 20, 2017, 11:06:47
Yes dude, that 350 tank is the biz.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Oct 20, 2017, 13:19:56
Man Eric, that is nice, just wish I had some of your gumption to do something to the "too many" projects I have.

I agree...I am just lazy I guess... You are killing it on this thing !!
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 21, 2017, 19:34:08
Made a remote m/c and reservoir so I can run a simple cable control on the bars.  The unit will get welded underneath the tank and  a short Z50r cable will actuate the lever.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 22, 2017, 00:02:31
Made a remote m/c and reservoir so I can run a simple cable control on the bars.  The unit will get welded underneath the tank and  a short Z50r cable will actuate the lever.

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Looks great! Just curious why you didn't use the beemer under tank mc? Thought you had a spare

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 22, 2017, 01:42:52
Looks great! Just curious why you didn't use the beemer under tank mc? Thought you had a spare

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 22, 2017, 01:44:20
The seat is mounted and I finally got to sit on it.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 22, 2017, 08:02:36
The seat is mounted and I finally got to sit on it.


Well then, how'd it fit?
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 22, 2017, 08:18:36
Deserving of some hipster sprinkles.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 22, 2017, 12:35:47
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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 22, 2017, 13:41:15
Progress shot. Still waiting on the good condition tank and Iím crossing my fingers on a couple of eBay auctions for a rear fender...

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Oct 23, 2017, 08:28:09
This thing is really shaping up nice. I'm liking it a lot now. Excited to see the finished product.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Cookie on Oct 23, 2017, 09:11:52
This thing is coming along fantastically Eric!

If your eBay fender prospects fall through, PM Me, I might be able to help out.
Title: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 24, 2017, 02:08:45
Thanks, Cookie. I got the priority fender, so weíll see how this goes.

I took a chance on a homemade $10 oil tank on Ebay. I was pretty sure it had 750 size connections and it in fact did. The question is if 1.25 quarts is enough.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: jag767 on Oct 24, 2017, 08:50:37
How much would the capicity go up with an oil cooler?
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: cxman on Oct 24, 2017, 10:08:40
add a remote oil filter and use the long chevy filter that will boost it a quart with the lines
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 25, 2017, 00:17:17
The new XL350 tank got delivered today. Itís got a few dings, but man the patina is glorious. Iíll have to think really hard about painting this tank. 

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I also began work on a Cush drive conversion experiment. Itís an RM250 wheel, so no Cush. I could swap for DR350s, but people want silly money for them.  I still have a few details to work out, including casting the urethane innards...

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 25, 2017, 08:52:56
The new XL350 tank got delivered today. Itís got a few dings, but man the patina is glorious. Iíll have to think really hard about painting this tank. 

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/de03c71827d464c86f9dc0c881635688.jpg)

I also began work on a Cush drive conversion experiment. Itís an RM250 wheel, so no Cush. I could swap for DR350s, but people want silly money for them.  I still have a few details to work out, including casting the urethane innards...

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that tank is the beez kneez. Don't know how far you'll get between fill ups, but my guess is you'll be aching for a break at that point anyways
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 25, 2017, 09:01:58
that tank is the beez kneez. Don't know how far you'll get between fill ups, but my guess is you'll be aching for a break at that point anyways
No more than if it had a Frisco, Peanut, Wassel, Axed, Coffin, Prism, Sportster, or Alien tank.  It's exactly the same volume. 
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 25, 2017, 09:20:12
No more than if it had a Frisco, Peanut, Wassel, Axed, Coffin, Prism, Sportster, or Alien tank.  It's exactly the same volume.
Yeah I guess I hadn't even thought about it compared to it regular old Chopper tank

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 25, 2017, 09:32:31
Yeah I guess I hadn't even thought about it compared to it regular old Chopper tank

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Which basically means... I'll be stopping a lot.  LOL

Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 25, 2017, 09:43:28
Which basically means... I'll be stopping a lot.  LOL
Saddlebag gas can ftw. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/c658a94cbae49c02b1a9b251855b0ae0.jpg)

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Oct 25, 2017, 10:01:25
Yup that tank is the one and I would not paint it either.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 25, 2017, 12:29:01
Which basically means... I'll be stopping a lot.  LOL

Yeah.  My 3.5 gal tank on my chop only get me so far and I'm usually ready to stop by then anyways.   

I dig that tank you got.  I vote keep the patina.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: advCo on Oct 25, 2017, 12:41:24
Where's the patina? All i see is a rogue rattle can spot on the side  ???
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Oct 25, 2017, 12:51:22
Where's the patina? All i see is a rogue rattle can spot on the side  ???

That's not rattle can, that's were knees have rubbed through the red to expose the black base coat.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 25, 2017, 13:15:29
That^
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 25, 2017, 13:29:36
alright, so now you gotta change out the seat or put high mid controls on so your knees match the rub marks lol

you cant look like a poser here

Added benefit, you can cut a hole in the seat and have a squatty potty.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 25, 2017, 13:39:23
alright, so now you gotta change out the seat or put high mid controls on so your knees match the rub marks lol

you cant look like a poser here

Added benefit, you can cut a hole in the seat and have a squatty potty.


Ha!  I'm not moving the pegs from their stock location, so it may be a bit like that.  I don't want forward controls.  Although that thing looks like the pegs are raised.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Oct 25, 2017, 13:42:17
Ha!  I'm not moving the pegs from their stock location, so it may be a bit like that.  I don't want forward controls.  Although that thing looks like the pegs are raised.
Yeah those are called high mids. I've never cared for the looks but I'm led to believe it's for turning lean clearance... since Choppers are high performance handling machines and all

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 25, 2017, 14:09:42
Yeah those are called high mids. I've never cared for the looks but I'm led to believe it's for turning lean clearance... since Choppers are high performance handling machines and all

"California Dyna Bros"  love those high mids.  Me, mids yes, high mids hell no.

You'll need to "shop your look" though.......     ;)

Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 26, 2017, 22:01:16
A little update on the front brake rig. A motor mount fit perfectly with just a little bend...

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 29, 2017, 12:19:51
I bobbed and shaved a Harley Softail rear fender.

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Hereís what it looked like before for reference:

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 29, 2017, 15:42:00
Turn signal switch

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Oct 29, 2017, 18:16:13
Thats a good job on the fender metal shaping.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 29, 2017, 19:13:31
Thats a good job on the fender metal shaping.

A major improvement!

Crazy
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Oct 29, 2017, 19:19:08
Yep great work on the fender.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Oct 29, 2017, 23:22:34
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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 02, 2017, 00:49:08
The fender is officially mounted. Also running an old Harley tail light. The lens was pretty scratched, but a 1200 grit wet sand and Meguiarís 105 hand rub later and itís nice and shiny like new...

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Nov 02, 2017, 09:27:27
Yep.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 02, 2017, 12:02:26
Awesome!
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 03, 2017, 00:51:03
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171103/f36c154e5204d3cb75fe1fbc510e0a15.jpg)

I decided to mount the oil tank tight to the engine. Except now my stock feed line just slightly wont fit. It may not be an issue anyway if I run an oil cooler.  I may run a cooler in the bottom of the frame behind the motor.


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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: WhyNot on Nov 03, 2017, 06:46:41
Dayyyyyyum Eric, you get that thing done, we definitely need to go out for a ride around Augusta.

I like that bike.  Good job.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 03, 2017, 12:05:51
I'd vote yes to the oil cooler, you live in the south and it'll add room for a bit more oil than that little tank can hold.  The oil cooler I added to my chop sure helps with summer oil temps.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Nov 03, 2017, 13:07:02
+1 on the cooler and this thing is rad.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 03, 2017, 13:22:47
I ordered a cooler from a 2003 Eiger 400.  A shot in the wind on size, so we'll have to see when it arrives.  If it doesn't work for the chop, then it can go on my DR350 since they are fundamentally the same engine.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: doc_rot on Nov 03, 2017, 19:08:25
I'm digging that 19" rear wheel
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 03, 2017, 19:34:14
I'm digging that 19" rear wheel
Thanks, Doc.  It's a different look for a chop, but I like it.  One caveat, obviously, is the lack of tire options which is why I went medium compound flat track for a fatter tire.  Avon makes an rear tire (AM7 4.00-19) that I may try next.  It's a cool looking vintage tire with more of a square patch.  The only other options I've found are a Metzler Block-C (3.5-19) , Avon MKII (3.50-19) and the Avon Roadriders (3.25-19), which are front/back tires.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Nov 09, 2017, 08:48:49
are you slacking?

its been like 6 days without an update.

 Unacceptable.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 09, 2017, 08:52:03
are you slacking?

its been like 6 days without an update.

 Unacceptable.
No one wants to pay me the money they owe me  :( , so I'm broke.  I found a DR350 cush hub though, that a guy is sending me for the cost of shipping.  :D
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Nov 09, 2017, 08:54:03
No one wants to pay me the money they owe me  :( , so I'm broke.  I found a DR350 cush hub though, that a guy is sending me for the cost of shipping.  :D
If you need the sprocket carrier hub for it.. I've got one

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 09, 2017, 08:55:32
If you need the sprocket carrier hub for it.. I've got one

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Thanks!  He said he thinks he lost one of the rubbers.  Do you have those too?
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: john83 on Nov 15, 2017, 23:52:33
Damn you work quick. That's a good looking chopper you've got coming along there sir.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 16, 2017, 07:59:26
Thanks, John.  It's somewhat stalled for the moment.  I have some decisions to make and they're making movement slow. 
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: SONIC. on Nov 16, 2017, 11:05:10
I expected this to be finishes by now.
And then cut up into something else and that would be finished too.
Slacking
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 16, 2017, 11:08:43
I expected this to be finishes by now.
And then cut up into something else and that would be finished too.
Slacking
LOL.  eBay sellers are fucking slow to ship sometimes.  I did, however, get my DR running again last night.  It's ready for some Tennessee trails.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: surffly on Nov 16, 2017, 11:17:18
Needs more finned engine covers!
I know a guy....lol
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Nov 16, 2017, 12:52:20
I did get my DR running again last night.  It's ready for some Tennessee trails.

DUDE YESSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 18, 2017, 02:21:31
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171118/e68e57b583f32404cbcb219eb5efe50e.jpg)

I was able to get a DR350 hub from a member at ADVrider. I reached out to Buchanan to see if we can match some spokes.


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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: clem on Nov 18, 2017, 18:08:18
How wide is that there hub?

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 18, 2017, 22:26:42
How wide is that there hub?

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6 3/4"
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: clem on Nov 19, 2017, 23:12:31
Pretty slim. For some odd reason I've got the envie to put a set of spoke rims on my RD. Was looking at the KLR 650 stuff but have no ideas on dimensions on those.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 21, 2017, 13:46:47
A little update:

Front brake is done.

Iím running a Z50 cable from the lever to the m/c. Then a 3an straight fitting instead of a banjo...

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The caliper has a banjo to 3an fitting.

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Then the top fork guard mount is altered (tabs removed) to accommodate a brake line guide. The line runs through a machined sleeve of black acetal.

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Maritime on Nov 21, 2017, 13:54:20
Slick
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Nov 21, 2017, 15:55:59
This damn thing is awesome !
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Nov 21, 2017, 21:19:05
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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 21, 2017, 21:31:53
Thanks, yíall.

A little Rub ní Buff makes the plastic blend like aluminum...

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Title: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Nov 30, 2017, 21:35:06
Just to keep this thread a-moviní along...

Iím kind of stuck trying to get the oil cooler/tank situation sorted. First, I ordered an Eiger oil cooler, which was too long. So, I swung again and tried a Suzuki Intruder oil cooler...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171201/dd9e8327e2fab5e480aaa6e7c7059cf4.jpg)

Muuuuch better.

I also ordered some extra length of SS line to give me some extra volume...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171201/913ced80c78279ebbc199b6354227e66.jpg)

Then I separated the case fittings from the stock lines, which basically match to 10an hose...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171201/a5e1024c7fcaa8e9fcec40a6da6fe470.jpg)

Now, itís just a waiting game on some hose finishers and the fittings for the cooler. Iíll convert the banjo fittings to a setup with M12x1.0 to -10an fittings.

Note to self: donít order from China unless itís a last resort. You prefer days over weeks for delivery. Nothing stalls a build like this.




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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Nov 30, 2017, 21:51:22
Just to keep this thread a-moviní along...

Note to self: donít order from China unless itís a last resort. You prefer days over weeks for delivery. Nothing stalls a build like this.


Truth.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: Hurco550 on Nov 30, 2017, 23:00:36



Note to self: donít order from China unless itís a last resort. You prefer days over weeks for delivery. Nothing stalls a build like this.

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Its funny though, I ordered rotors from China for the interceptor and they were on my door step in less than 3 days. Its a crap shoot

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Dec 05, 2017, 01:36:01
Oil stuff

---> oil tank ---> cooler ---> motor inlet ---> motor outlet ---> oil tank --->

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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 05, 2017, 12:01:08
Looking good.  Something tells me you are itching to ride this one.
Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: irk miller on Dec 05, 2017, 14:15:40
Big time.


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Title: Re: CB750 No Plunger Hellride
Post by: trek97 on Dec 05, 2017, 19:57:11
Looking good.  Something tells me you are itching to ride this one.

He's just itchy cause he needs a bath.