1980 CB650 chop, hardtail with inverted front end!

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A friend of mine picked this up for a song and dance and asked me to help him make a chopper out of it. It came to us as a couple boxes of parts and a loose frame. Here's the build.

pile of parts:

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oh yeah, previous owner said the starter wasn't engaging....so we knew the starter clutch needed attention. Luckily, our buddy luke (whom I share the shop with) recently just repaired HIS, and knew the process and part numbers....so Luke took care of that.

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He didn't care much about stretching it or anything crazy, so we Decided for ease of design and speed of fabrication to use the stock swingarm to help us build the hard tail.

Started out by mocking up most of the bike, and setting what we thought would be a decent ride height by supporting the frame with the jack. Then we chopped off the rear subframe.

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Next, I had two pre-bent tubes kicking around from a hardtail kit I bought on ebay for another project a while back...so we used those to make up the tubes connecting the backbone to the axle plates.

I added an additional bend in them to get the geometry to work and notched the bottom ends to fit over the axle plate.

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as seen in the picture, I happened to have some clip-ons kicking around so we tossed those on. Then we rolled up a moving blanket to see how Nick fits on it. He's getting excited about it

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Found a tractor fender. Should work well. this picture also shows the extra bend I put in the tubes.

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This is where things got a little tricky. These cb650's have a removable section of frame on the clutch side, so that you don't have to remove the oil pan and oil pickup to get the engine out. We wanted to retain this feature so I have to come up with a way to make that all work while still achieving the look of a chopper. I started out by bending up some fresh DOM tube to make a bottom frame leg connecting the axle plate to the bung where the removable piece bolts on, notching the back end for the axle plate and front end to encompass the stock frame bung/mount

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I did the same for the other side but I guess forgot to take pics. After that, we made some cross-braces to connect the two new bottom tubes and two new down-tubes.....which also double as fender mounting and hopefully spring mounts for a seat. I seem to have forgotten to take those pics as well. (Sorry! was in a really good groove!).

Next we cut out the swingarm itself now that everything was braced nicely. Then I had a seat and stared at the side view of the bike trying to work out the best way to blend the remaining stock frame into our new hard tail. I decided that the area where the rear footpeg brackets were could be modified to make sense, while retaining stock rear brake mechanism. This spot on the stock frame sort of made a fork in the road so to speak and I cut into it to carry one tube all the way down to our new bottom tube, creating a nice triangle for strength.

so here's it all chopped up

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then I made up a tube to fill it in, and a gusset plate to tie the triangle all together. Came out like this:

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After cutting the remaining pieces of the stock swingarm out of the way, I welded what accessible part of the original axle plates that were now exposed to my notched bottom tubes, and then made up some gussets to triangulate the back corner.

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which gives us this
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I did the same to the other side basically, except a gusset near the kickstand....we liked the way it looked open and the otherside we only did the gusset to reinforce that corner where the removable frame bolts in.

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feeling pretty good about the way the tail was shaping up, we started mocking up the exhaust to see what to do with it. Some precious owner cut the (probably rusted out) mufflers off so we had just the 2-1 headers to work with. I found a little moped muffler I had kicking around and tossed it on for looks.

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at this point we're at a waiting point.... Nick has ordered a solo seat kit, a pair of emgo shorty mufflers similar to the moped muffler pictured, and some carb rebuild kits. I also found a wicked deal on a suzuki VZ800 inverted front end and he's ordered that up as well..... I've used the Boulevard/marauder inverted front end once before, and I'm convinced it's the BEST option for vintage bikes....the offset in the triples is dead on compared to most vintage stock triples and the length is the same as most mid-sized bikes like cb550 and such. much easier/safer than trying to put sportbike forks on which are shorter and majorly mess with trail measurements.

anyhow, that's where we're at for now....when some more parts come in we'll update with the installs! Thanks for looking!
 
Re: 1980 CB650 chop

redahtamn said:
That was one hell of a first post man. pretty awesome build so far.

Thanks! not even much time into it yet. about 3hrs into the starter clutch repair, then the first day of mockup where we finished the top two hard tail tubes was 3hrs of work, then the second day we did the lower tubes was about 2hrs, and then yesterday was the big push about 5hrs work to get it to the last pic. It's going pretty damn well haha....TOO well even....

guess that's why it makes sense that when we looked over the carbs two of them have the mixture screws snapped off inside.
 
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Is there a head still on it? Could drill a 3/32" hole in the middle and hammer a T10 torx bit in and twist out with a ratchet after some penetrating fluid has creeped in. Or heat it a bit first.
 
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Yea heat the aluminium around the broken tips with a hot air gun, should be able to pry them out then.. i've been lucky to get some out w/o heat, but some had to be drilled out by the local carb expert and holes restored with jb weld..
 
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Did a little more the other evening...

made up a fender stay and some mounting tabs on the crosstube, and welded up the new mufflers.

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I also seemed to have forgotten to upload some pics from the earlier stages of the build last week.

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there you can see how I resolved the right side of the frame without compromising strength and retaining the removable portion for engine install/removals.

and the opposite side, how it terminates right at the turn of the frame and kickstand. triple welded

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Close up of the rear bracing at the axle plates

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More pics of the other evening's work

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don't mind how low the fender hangs near the back of the engine....we're going to cut that down later but for now it's not important.


The suzuki VZ800 front end came in, so we started mocking that up as well.

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I also decided to try out soda blasting, carbs were perfect thing to try on.

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then we un-mocked the front end so we could yank the races from the neck and locally source tapered neck bearings to adapt the VZ800 stem into the cb650 neck.

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stay tuned. next update will be solo seat stuff and permanent front end swap stuff.
 
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Erskine said:
What are you doing your welding with?
Its sickeningly neat!

you wouldn't believe me.....

it's an off-brand unit sold at Praxair, and I prefer it to my lincoln 100. Does quite a nice job for a 110v unit. My lincoln works well, but I've always desired more control over the heat because it simply has 4 settings that is snaps to like a switch...A,B,C,D. This Welder has a dial 1-10 and operates like a dimmer switch...I can dial it to any level I want which makes it very nice to tinker with until I get exactly the penetration I'm looking for. This unit is a shop-mate's, I keep my Lincoln at home....but find myself considering listing it for sale to go buy the same one featured in these pics.

It's a "Real Gear" mig 140.

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Scoured up some bearings last night and set the races, packed 'em with grease, and got the triple trees mounted. Did it while some powdercoating projects were in the oven.

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I started sketching up dimensions and such for the axle....I'm going to build some adapters to retain the factory axle and speedo drive to mount the stock wheel in the Suzuki Marauder inverted forks. Might make the axle over the weekend time permitting.....I'm also planning to work on my '72 F-series pickup project though.
 
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Came up with an idea for electronics box that involved drinking beer amongst friends

Fits pretty well haha

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Started making up the front axle but I wasn't really liking how it was coming together so I decided to set that task aside for now. Nick disassembled the carb rack and started the ultrasonic cleaning process as well. Waiting on seat pivot mount to make the seat and then we're down to finishing the front end swap and some wiring
 
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Newcastle! not only is that a good beer...but a great soccer club as well! :p

builds looking good and I got to get me one of those welders!
 
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Nick didn't care to stretch it. It's mostly because it's a budget bar hopper and he didn't want to get into messing with chain and possibly a tensioner
 
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Yeah, we may have to modify the mini keg for chain clearance and figure out where we want to open it up to get all the electronics inside
 
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As I said the other day....the way we were approaching the front axle wasn't pleasing me so last night in between running a few carbs through the ultrasonic cleaner I started turning some new axle pieces.

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hard to make progress when I'm doing a bunch of other things, but it's a start and was a good way to be productive instead of watching carbs soak
 
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finished up the threaded adapter for the 650 axle into the VZ800 forks. Just have to make one small spacer for the speedo side about 6mm thick.

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it's not threaded all the way in because I need to get a flat-bottom tap to finish tapping the adapter for the axle so it goes in all the way.

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