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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Cafe Racers => Topic started by: Danish_Cafe on Nov 01, 2010, 16:51:11

Title: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Nov 01, 2010, 16:51:11
Hi all,

think it's about time i make a build thread for my CB350. Since it's the first bike i've ever owned and worked on, and also I'm away alot for work, it'll be a slow build, but i will update when ever new stuff happens.

Here's what it looked like when i picked it up:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00004.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC02141.jpg)

During teardown:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC02164.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC02165.jpg)

First try at making knee dents:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00018.jpg)

Cafe racer seat making:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC02216.jpg)

First mockup, lower part of frame is cut  because of extensive rust. Hopefully I can make a new lower part or repair it. If not i'll get a new frame or possible a donor bike.

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00022-1.jpg)

Engine before rebuild:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00026.jpg)

Top end apart:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00031.jpg)

Lower part:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00040.jpg)

Engine work included:

All new gaskets
All new oil seals
New pistonrings
New valveguides
New camchain and roller.
Lapped valves
Starter plugg off
All old screws is now stainless steel allen heads.
Polished intake and exhaust ports
Camshaft, rockerarms, rockerguides, camhousing, oilpump from donor engine with low miles.
All parts painted and put back together.

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00095-1.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00099.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00096.jpg)

Polished hubs and brake plates:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/poleret1.jpg)

My try at speedo background redo:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC02249.jpg)

Still a lot of work to do, but it's comming along nice and slowly.

Last picture is of the engines i normally work on:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/Billede311.jpg)

Thank you for a great site with lots of usefull info and beatifull bikes.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: rjz5400 on Nov 01, 2010, 17:20:12
DANG>>>>>>>
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: IndieSol on Nov 01, 2010, 17:32:56
Excellent start to the thread.  I also really like that engine stand.  I need to build something like that before I take my head apart in the next couple months.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: HerrDeacon on Nov 01, 2010, 19:04:26
Really nice work on that engine, can't wait to see how the rest turns out.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Bobdot on Nov 01, 2010, 21:28:42
Wow! Really great work on the engine! Did not expect those to be the next pictures immediately following the "before" pics.  This should be a treat to follow.

bob.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Tristan on Nov 02, 2010, 11:19:15
Shit man, was the frame really rusty enough to justify chopping it in half?

Hope you have some skills....looks like you do.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: sasquach on Nov 02, 2010, 12:02:58
That looks good . Question what is the color of the engine paint called ( silver , gray or ? )
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Nov 02, 2010, 15:52:15
Thanks for the comments on the engine guys, appriciate it.

The engine paint is silver and black from MOTIP:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00102.jpg)

As far as the frame goes, yes it was pretty bad. Had several cracks, and the tubing was nearly impossible to weld on, due to lack of thickness. The bikes has been used by p.o. all year round and snow, rain salt etc, has left its marks. If everything failes I'll get another frame.

Little fab. work done, bushings for rear swing arm:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00101.jpg)

Working on carbs right now. Cleaning, new screws and a little paint, pictures will follow.

Waiting on new fork seal and gaitors, so i can rebuild the front end. Pictures will follow.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: BigBSBusa on Nov 03, 2010, 15:48:39
Wow, can't believe that's the same engine!  Looks great.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Nov 10, 2010, 16:56:07
Small update today. A few things went out for blasting today. Hopefully i'll get it back in a few days and get i painted.

Swingarm, wheels, engine mounts, headers, head light bucket etc.

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00110.jpg)

cheers.

Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: JoeTee on Nov 10, 2010, 23:03:15
Ill be following this one for sure.  Any color scheme ideas?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Nov 11, 2010, 10:31:59
Ill be following this one for sure.  Any color scheme ideas?

Not sure about color yet. I'm thinking of doing a red frame with silver tank and seat and black whels with the polished hubs....

Something like this bike, not sure who did it, but I really like the colors:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/img1295nz8.jpg)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Nov 29, 2010, 21:21:30
I like that ( I would have not painted the forks).
I really want to do a red frame and black tank / seat on my cb360 but some bikes look great while others look not so great.
the problem is - I can't figure out why it doesn't work on some bikes.

got any other pics of red framed cafe bikes?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: DrJ on Nov 29, 2010, 21:41:03
Something like this bike, not sure who did it, but I really like the colors:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/img1295nz8.jpg)

http://www.lossaengineering.com/RedRockergal.html (http://www.lossaengineering.com/RedRockergal.html)

The builder is a member here but hasn't posted in a long time.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Nov 30, 2010, 04:19:07
Thank for the info DrJ.

Little update. Got the stuff back from blasting, and painting is going on right now. Will post pictures when done.

Btw. I need some info on how to lace wheels (pattern), i will have a shop true them, but i wanna save some money and put them together myself before i go to the shop.

Any info, thanks?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build - Small delay arrived yesterday!
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 04, 2010, 15:44:08
Got this little thing yesterday morning, so work on my cafe might be delayed a bit, but when I need a time out, i'll go to the workshop and do a bit:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/CIMG5205.jpg)

On the bike, there's a update aswell, got parts primed. Next they will be painted black:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00146.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00145.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00144.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00143.jpg)

/Thanks

Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: PHeller on Dec 04, 2010, 16:08:42
nice budget build, love seeing people doing quality work in not-so-perfect work areas.

Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Weezy on Dec 04, 2010, 17:11:35
Congratulations on the little one. Small word of advice... work now while you can, once the little one stops sleeping so much you won't want to work on it.   Excellent work on the guage face.  I am confused though. How does four bricks and a pice of plywood make a cafe seat??? ::)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rocan on Dec 04, 2010, 17:32:25
you know what your doing... ill sit back and watch  :D

how did you do the valve guides? freeze and hammer in?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 04, 2010, 17:52:04
Weezy: Thanks for your advise, i'll remember that. As far as the seat goes, the four "bricks" or foam, the kind that a florist uses for decorations and such. I glued them to a piece of plywood that i had made to a shape that fit the frame. Then i formed the foam to a nice round shape. Next it'll be covered in fiberglass, bondo'ed, sanded and painted. Hope that makes sense.

Rocan: The valve guides was actually pretty easy to do. I heated the area on the head around the valveguides, used a plastic hammer to knock them out. Measured them with a digital tool, machined them on a lathe, heated the head to about 100 degress celcius and, put the valveguides in the freezer, after that they slipped right in with some high temperature Loctite glue (Just because i had some handy, not really nessasary). The head is now as good as new. I Think i took some pictures, i'll post them if i can find them.

pheller: Thanks for your compliment, i know about my work area, it's small and not really suitable for paintwork at all, but for this build i'm using cheap rattle can paint, it's my first build and i'm still learning, so im trying to keep costs low and just build this bike and then on the next bike i'll pay more attention to cosmetic details.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rocan on Dec 04, 2010, 17:54:04
interesting! thanks for telling. were they worn or what?

i was going to replace mine, but on teardown i found them to be a tight fit with no slop... even airtight when pulling valve through.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Bobdot on Dec 05, 2010, 02:43:51
Btw. I need some info on how to lace wheels (pattern), i will have a shop true them, but i wanna save some money and put them together myself before i go to the shop.

Any info, thanks?

How many spokes?  I have a few wheels laying around I could snap a photo of if they match up.

bob.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 05, 2010, 04:31:51
Rocan: Mine were also still a tight fit around the valve, as you tell. But for some reason the ends closest to the combustion chamber were cracked and pieces were missing. And i didn't wanna take the chance of getting pieces into the engine after rebuild so i made new ones.

Bobdot: It's 36 spokes front and rear, pictures would be greatly appriciated, for some reason i forgot to take close ups of wheels before i took them apart with the grinder  :-[


Also, while looking for the valveguide pictures I found a picture of the old and new camchain roller, there's a little difference  ;D:


(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00068.jpg)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rocan on Dec 05, 2010, 19:49:59
thats what mine looked like too! i wouldnt have gone back to OEM... i would have either gotten the steel wheeled ones (i think ohio cafe racers sells them?) or gotten some wheels machined out of some harder material. i took the alternate route and went with a KA tensioner, although technically for a street bike the stock design is a little better (minus the rubber wheels)

bummer on the valve guides being chipped... i wonder how that happened..


i havent looked at my clymers for a while. get the REAL shop manual (i have a PDF version) and i never needed it.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Bobdot on Dec 05, 2010, 21:26:26
Alrighty, here's what I got on my XS650 wheels (36 spoke):

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm60/bobdotdesign/DSCF1097.jpg)

I made a little diagram to wrap my head around the lacing pattern:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm60/bobdotdesign/36SpokeLacing-1.jpg)

pretty much (as I see it) pick a hole on the hub, draw an imaginary centerline up to the rim to intersect a nipple hole and then count 4 holes clockwise down the rim.  Half the spokes (in this case those laced on the outside of the hub flange) will follow this pattern every other hole on the hub.  Same thing goes in the reverse direction for the rest of the spokes being laced from the inside of the hub flange.  Is that a confusing enough explanation?  Feel free to disregard anything that I've said above... I realized as I was typing I was explaining it more for my own sake  ;D

Hope it helps!

bob.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 06, 2010, 05:53:54
Rocan: I will go for a KA on my next projector or machine some whells in hard plastic/rubber, this OEM I got almost for free, again to keep costs low. I also wonder how the valveguides chipped, thinking the engine maybe been running to hot.

Bobdot: That's exactly what i was looking for, perfect. Thank you very much for that!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 14, 2010, 17:40:58
Little update today:

All the primed parts are now paintet black and drying. Will post pictures soon.

Also I've bought another frame with all legal papirs, instead of repairing the old one. Frame, swingarm, shocks and centerstand for 85$ (Where I live that's a good price)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/stel.jpg)

Next on my todo list is:

Order spokes and finish whells.
Finish my seat and tank.
Finish and paint new frame.
Making of rear set.
Start assembly.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: miob on Dec 14, 2010, 17:51:36
Hey Neighbour

Nice build! Can I ask what you did with the Honda logo on the left side of the engine?

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00099.jpg)

Might be the photo, but it almost looks like copper?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 15, 2010, 05:28:29
Hey Neighbour

Nice build! Can I ask what you did with the Honda logo on the left side of the engine?

Might be the photo, but it almost looks like copper?

I just paintet it by hand after I sprayed the cover. It's black, I think the cellphone picture makes it look different.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 16, 2010, 12:08:32
Got a little work done today.

Parts finished in black:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00160-1.jpg)

Also put the front end together. New seals, dustcaps and gators. Legs paintet and top polished.
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00163.jpg)

And btw if anyone asks, the only thing i want for christmas is a camera!!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Reinhard on Dec 16, 2010, 12:25:07
Nice work Danish. Gonna be a sweet lil rocket!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: jeff4uk on Dec 17, 2010, 14:04:37
Nice work man really enjoying this thread hope this helps to
The longer bend  gose from the inside out
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae250/flatron52/P1050573-1.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae250/flatron52/P1050574-1.jpg)
lace all the wheel then lay it flat
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae250/flatron52/P1050575-1.jpg)
start with an inside out spocke then count 5 to the right cross this one under the other and tapeit in place
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae250/flatron52/P1050576-1.jpg)
go all the way round both sides
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae250/flatron52/P1050577-1.jpg)
where the brake disc gose i put  20mm wood blocks to raise the rim inline with the spockes
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae250/flatron52/P1050578-1.jpg)
this methared was used on my caferacer with borrani rims
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae250/flatron52/P1050579.jpg)
hope the helped and not nindered!!!!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 18, 2010, 09:51:39
Jeff, u are the man! That's just perfect for me, can't go wrong now!

Thanks alot.
I will post pictures when i get to do some work on the wheels, waiting on spokes as we speak.

Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Dec 23, 2010, 11:13:44
Not the biggest progress, but got these in the mail today, new rubber sealed bearings for front and rear wheel, and now only need the spokes to finish my wheels:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00164.jpg)

Also i'm waiting for the weather to clear up, so i can pick up my new frame. Can't go anywhere by car due to snow and ice  :-\
Title: 72' CB350 - First build. ( Frame 0 - Grinder 1 )
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 05, 2011, 08:25:48
Finally picked up the new frame this weekend. Cut off the brackets etc. that i don't need and now it's ready to be cleaned and paintet:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00177.jpg)

Also fitted the new wheelbearings, front and rear:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00166.jpg)

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00167.jpg)

And did the small job of finishing the brake plates, so now hubs and rims are ready for spokes:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00168.jpg)

Update will follow when frame is paintet  ;D
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 05, 2011, 10:21:31
Did you paint or powder the rims? if paint what did you use? I worry about getting the tires onto painted rims without chipping them all to hell and back.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 05, 2011, 14:35:48
The rims are just spraypaintet. 2 coats of primer and 3 coats of black. I had the exact same worries about the paint chipping when fitting tires, but i seems to hold reasonable good. I've hit some parts with a rubber hammer really hard a few times and the paint didn't chip. I thinks if you use a lot of lubricant when fitting they tires it will be alright.
Title: 72' CB350 - Sailors Grave!
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 06, 2011, 14:43:45
Finally it feels like i'm moving forward. Frame blasted and primed, will lay some color tomorrow and then on to assembly.
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00187.jpg)

Also named the bike "sailors Grave" since i spend half the year at sea and spend my money on the bike when i'm home.  :D

Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: cafematty on Jan 06, 2011, 15:20:40
Dude, this build is redic! NFJ on that engine! Can't wait to see this come together...
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: kookie31 on Jan 06, 2011, 15:46:09
Man this build is almost making me want to take mine all apart and do it all over again (wife would kill me lol). Real nice work! Can't wait to see this come together. I'm real interested in how the rear seat is going to come out. It all looks great, man! Congrats on the lil one, as well! I have a three month old and I just sit him in my lap and scroll through pics and videos of this stuff. START 'EM YOUNG!!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rocan on Jan 06, 2011, 20:26:30
only thing i dont like is no frame brace in the rear! need a hoop there man!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 07, 2011, 03:38:32
Actually there is a brace in the rear, the original one, frame feels rigid enough. Also the shape of the frame dosn't exactly make it easy to do a hoop. Do you think i need a brace further back?
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00189.jpg)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: overdraft on Jan 07, 2011, 12:38:54
ya, i have the same question here... 3fiddys don't have anything back there to begin with and if i'm not making a race bike why do i need a hoop?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 07, 2011, 12:45:44
Once you're behind the shock mounts, your behind most of the stress area. not to say a hoop or brace back there won't add some rigidity. these bikes were designed as commuters and weren't over braced by any stretch. But its true its not the easiest thing to work with that stamped frame rail.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: HerrDeacon on Jan 07, 2011, 14:24:58

My '72 350 has a rear brace. Don't have a good picture but you can see it in this one. Plus the flat one that is in the pic that Danish posted. They don't all have this brace?


(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc122/HerrDeacon/MyBike/CB350/Project/rearBrace.jpg)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: justahunk on Jan 07, 2011, 14:55:23
i chopped up the rear end of my 72' cl350. it's was a little too weird to add a hoop so i just cut it down and filled in the gaps. i did also ad another brace back there that my seat pan also bolts down to. there's pic of it in my sig.
good luck!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 07, 2011, 18:19:03
My '72 350 has a rear brace. Don't have a good picture but you can see it in this one. Plus the flat one that is in the pic that Danish posted. They don't all have this brace?


(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc122/HerrDeacon/MyBike/CB350/Project/rearBrace.jpg)
Mine had that as well, but i cut it off because it will be in the way for my seat/battery plans.

I'm planning to make a brace betwen the to holes in the frame, something like this:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/rearbrace.jpg)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 09, 2011, 14:37:25
So, decided to skip sunday church and lay some black paint instead:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00194.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00195.jpg)

I'm very pleased with the result, considering it's a spray can job.

Next on my project is to clean up my workshop, start assembly and take some better pictures.

Also i need to organize rest off the build and figure out what i need to finish my projekt.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: zerochrome on Jan 09, 2011, 15:29:11
Great work so far. Congrats on the little one! My little guys have slowed progress on my bike as well but I don't mind. Looking forward to see how this turns out. Cheers!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: cafematty on Jan 09, 2011, 17:32:17
So, decided to skip sunday church and lay some black paint instead:




The Lord understandeth......
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: kookie31 on Jan 09, 2011, 17:57:58
And it also says "Church is where you make it". I will give you some praise: Very nice work. Everything is coming out quite nicely
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 10, 2011, 06:03:28
Thanks for your comments guys, much appreciated.
Title: 72' CB350 - First build. Assembly started - Engine mounted!
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 12, 2011, 16:02:28
Okay guys, started assembly today. Fitted the tapered steering stem bearings, need to buy some grease before front end goes on. Fitted the engine in the frame, went much easier then i thougt it would.

Pictures:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00200.jpg)

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00202.jpg)

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00204.jpg)

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00205.jpg)

It really feels great moving in the right direction, i just wanna work on the bike all day till i finish  ;D
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: HerrDeacon on Jan 12, 2011, 16:28:37
Very, very nice! Looks beautiful.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: cafematty on Jan 12, 2011, 17:15:19
Dude! Yes! That looks nice!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: kzpokey on Jan 12, 2011, 17:16:25
BEAUTIFUL! I can't wait to try to make my engine look that good!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Erskine on Jan 12, 2011, 17:19:38
Wow man, that is looking seriously MINT.
If you put a glass top on the rails it would make an awesome coffee table. ;)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: kookie31 on Jan 12, 2011, 17:23:11
Seriously, that looks freaking sweet! Making me want to pull my engine and do up all over again. Real clean, great work so far
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 12, 2011, 17:28:05
Wow man, that is looking seriously MINT.
If you put a glass top on the rails it would make an awesome coffee table. ;)

Tell that to my gilfriend, PLEASE!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: odin836 on Jan 12, 2011, 17:31:55
Looking very clean!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Bobdot on Jan 12, 2011, 17:42:47
Agreed, that thing is lookin PEACH!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rocan on Jan 12, 2011, 17:53:34
puts my bike to absolute shame. damn that was built quick!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 12, 2011, 18:12:59
puts my bike to absolute shame. damn that was built quick!

Don't worry Rocan, next tuesday i'm going out to sea for 4 weeks, that should leave you with plenty of time to pick up ;)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build. A bit more progress today!
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 13, 2011, 10:24:56
Today was a good day in the workshop, spent a few hours putting on the front end, handlebars, swingarm and shocks.

Hopefully i will start making a template for the rearset tomorrow.

Pictures:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00217.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00214.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00213.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00212.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00210.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00209.jpg)

I'm still very pleased with how this thing is turning out, with the low budget in mind.  8)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Bobdot on Jan 13, 2011, 11:05:50
whats your plan for mounting the headlight?  Over the black spacers?  I must say, thats a more elegant solution than my black hockey stick tape!  Looks great, looking forward to the rear sets!
 
bob.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 13, 2011, 11:45:39
That front does look great!! Love the Tommaselli bars!!

Bodot - hockey tape rules!!! Nice gritty look.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 13, 2011, 13:01:22
Actually, that is black insulation tape wrapped around the top of the fork tubes ;) , they were really rusted/corroded, could have painted them, but did not want to look at the craters, and i like the wrapped look the tape gives.

I'm planning and doing some headlight ears myself, or buy some, they are not that expensive, but you know "selfmade is well made", or something like that.  ::)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: HerrDeacon on Jan 13, 2011, 16:43:01
My 350 forks are rusted to hell up top as well. May have to tackle it in a similar way, looks great.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 14, 2011, 04:01:23
A little update. Did a very low tech cardboard template for my rearset, I think thay came out well. Will fabricate when i get to work, where I have materials and a lathe avaible.

Pictures:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00220.jpg)

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00219.jpg)

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00221.jpg)

I'm was thinking that they may be a little to far back, what you think?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 14, 2011, 11:09:12
Using the stock rear mounts? I was helping a buddy figure out if the stock rears would work for him for rear sets on his 350 this week and It looks like they will. Alot depends on your height and how comfortable they will be for you. The linkage looks maybe a little long but hard to tell.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 14, 2011, 11:20:33
Yes, it's the stock rear mounts i'm using. The possition is fine for my hight and riding position, but I am also worried about the lenght of the linkage, but then again if I look at some foreward controls on choppers, they have crazy long links? So i hope, if I make the link rigid enough this will be alright, because it's fairly easy to use this mount.

Btw link is about 11,5 inch long, how does that sound?

Think I kinda found the answer, DCC sells a universal linkage kit thats 12 inch, so i guess that will be okay.

http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-universal-diy-rearset-rear-set-linkage-system-dcc-rslinkage.html (http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-universal-diy-rearset-rear-set-linkage-system-dcc-rslinkage.html)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Jan 14, 2011, 11:57:30
Yeah, I think the important thing is to set it up so that it works for you. That rod won't break!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Jan 14, 2011, 16:11:00
Yeah, I think the important thing is to set it up so that it works for you. That rod won't break!

That's my thoughts exactly. Will give it a try.

Also did a template for a little dash/speedo mount:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00224.jpg)
Title: 72' CB350 - First build. Update!
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 16, 2011, 16:12:16
Hi all, after 4 weeks at sea, working, I got home and spent  some time in the workshop. When at sea there's really not much fun to do when not on duty, so tried to make a few parts for the bike.

My first try at rearsets, its 6mm aluminum with brass pegs. Really i wanted the pegs in alu as well, but brass was all we had onboard:

Shifter side, please ignore the middle finger:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00226.jpg)

Brake side:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00227.jpg)

Boltet in the rear brace, since i already paintet the frame I didn't want to weld again, so made a brace out of some steel tubing, welded the ends shut and made a treaded hole in each end (if that makes any sense):

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00233.jpg)

Seat ready for fiberglass, will get to that soon:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00235.jpg)

Also did some other bits and pieces, and brought home some 6 and 8mm stainless stell rods to make a linkage for rearset, will post more pictures when i get to that.
 
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Feb 17, 2011, 00:22:58
Nice! Love the brass, could be a great accent!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 23, 2011, 16:44:09
Little update:

Layed some fiberglass on my seat today, next is to bondo, sand, bondo, sand and repeat!

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00269.jpg)

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00272.jpg)

Also made two stainless steel brake stay bars for front and rear brake drums. Pictures will follow later.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rocan on Feb 23, 2011, 17:25:08
your going to have to do a lotttt of bondo and sanding on that seat.... have you considered using that as a plug to make a mold?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 23, 2011, 17:45:17
your going to have to do a lotttt of bondo and sanding on that seat.... have you considered using that as a plug to make a mold?

Rocan: It's not really as rough as it looks, I think it's because the layers of glass overlap and makes different shadows and coulors. I see what you mean when i look at the pictures, but i think it will look diffent once it dries. Will post pictures again tomorrow.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: jonnyTHUNDERmaker on Feb 23, 2011, 22:54:31
Great work so far man! That bike is really looking nice. How did you get that primer to stick so well to your chrome rims? Also, how did you prep your engine for paint?


Thanks, and congrats on the excellent build.


If I'm not mistaken you are in the Service? Correct? If so, thank you for your service to our country. It's an honor to have you on the site.

Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Rocan on Feb 23, 2011, 23:11:32
that makes sense...

forgot to mention....

LOVE those rearsets. i was going to do some brass pegs on my build, but would have to have a bunch of brass accents to match it. maybe my next one...
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 24, 2011, 15:52:34
Yeah, I know what you mean about the brass, i think they are gonna stick out a bit to much when the bike is done, since it's the only brass on the bike, so I might paint them later on. But it was free so I'll stick with it for now.

Thanks Arnold, Rims were sand blasted before primer and paint, and even thought it's rattle can it's really looking good! And seems to be very strong and hopefully it will last when tires are mounted.

Btw fiberglass wasn't completely dry, so will wait till tomorrow before i cut it to shape and take new pictures.

Also getting ready for wiring, bolted on the coils, and will continue the wiring tomorrow. I'm doing a minimum of wiring, ignition, front, rear and brakelight only.

Also tomorrow I hope to do some last bondo and primer to the tank before final paint. Really looking forward to this!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: MotorbikeBruno on Feb 24, 2011, 20:24:02
This build rocks!  I'm enjoying it a lot!.....if you don't like those pegs you can always send them to me  ;D
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 25, 2011, 09:28:45
Thanks for the comment Bruno, i'll remember that ;-)

Cut the seat to shape today, not really happy about how it turned out, it's not as rigid as i hoped and feels a bit woply, I'm afraid I'll have to try again or at least make some reinforcement to it. Also thinking of buying a finished seat, but would really like to make my own  :-\ :

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00273.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00274.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00275.jpg)

On a positive note, I think my dashboard turned out nice, mounted the ignition and left some space for a mini tacho or speedo:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00276.jpg)

Also i did some work on the tank, I hope to finish it this weekend.

Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: JoeTee on Feb 25, 2011, 09:42:02
Love this build man!  What is your plan for tank/seat paint?  DIY or are you gonna have it pro sprayed?  If your doin a budget build like mine, then you can get pretty sweet rattle can results if done right.  I rattle tested my headlight bucket and it came out surprisingly good and glossy.  This is one of my fav builds.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Feb 25, 2011, 12:59:59
Looking good man. nice attention to little details is always a good thing.

As far as your seat goes, if you are happy with the shape of it don't give up yet. It takes a whole bunch of layers built up to get the thickness and rigidity that you are looking for. You need to alternate layers of fiberglass matt in as well. The matt is a looser weave and will build in to corners and contours more fully than the cloth. keep going til its 3/16ths of an inch thick or so and it will harden up.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 25, 2011, 17:59:22
JoeTee: I'm also going for a DIY job on the paint. I'm still trying to keep a low budget on this build, and safe some money for my next build. As far as colours go i think I'll stick with black and silver as the rest of the bike. My plans are to do tank and seat all silver with some black details/letters or decals.

diesel450: Thanks for the encouragement on the seat. I've realized that the fiberglass cloth I used was to stiff and closely weaven as you say. But again I got it for free at work (We use it for emergency repair of pipes) and wanted to try it, but i'll have to buy some fiberglass matts and lay some more layers to fill the contours and add some strenght. I think the seat fits the bike well, it might seem a bit long, but I want it  to hide the rear framerails. Were I live we are not allowed to alter the frame without paying a "Tax" to have it approved. Which I don't want to do on this build!
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 27, 2011, 11:36:45
Did some more work to the bike today, so a little update again.

First off I dicided to paint the dashboard black:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00288.jpg)

Did a little tray for the electrics. As it is now, it's very open and i will make a more protective one in the future:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00282.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00281.jpg)

All wires are ready and just needs to be connected. All connections will be soldered and will be protected with heat shrinked isolation. I REALLY hope for a spark tomorrow!

And last a little pictures of tank and seat mounted, didn't get as much done one the tank as i hoped, still need sanding and paint:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00284.jpg)
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Feb 28, 2011, 15:49:45
hour work today, mounted the carbs. Was just about to blow up when I couldn't fit the carbs into the rubber intakes, but then i boiled them in water for 2 minutes and they got soft as butter and they went right in!

Picking up two off these tomorrow, not really the colour i wanted, but got them dirt cheap, and might paint them later on:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/74501012004.jpg)

Pictures of carbs mounted will follow tomorrow.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build. Sparks are flying!
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Mar 01, 2011, 14:22:13
Big day today, finished the wiring, timed the ignition and turned the key, spark on first try  :D I'm very happy since I've never done anything like this before!

Here's a picture of carbs and inlets installed, carbs are not as clean as i would like, but I'm in the progress of persuading my boss to buy a ultrasonic cleaner:
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00289.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00290.jpg)
Can't wait to hear how they sound?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Bobdot on Mar 01, 2011, 15:23:41
Looking great as usual! Congrats on the spark, thats awesome!  May I ask where you sourced those velocity stacks for your carbs?
 
bob.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Mar 01, 2011, 15:30:26
Bobdot: Thank you, yes i bought them at a local Auto/Bike/Moped store, they are universial, and the diameter fit the carbs perfectly. Here's a link for them, as far as i can see they only ship to some certain EU countries:

http://www.thansen.dk/product.asp?c=4960041565&n=1387906098&pn=-1426007465 (http://www.thansen.dk/product.asp?c=4960041565&n=1387906098&pn=-1426007465)


I
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: jrknecht on Mar 01, 2011, 16:16:53
Those Pods look sooooo good. I wonder if they come in red?
Awesome thread, great work.


JR
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 01, 2011, 16:19:06
Nice work so far, the bike is looking great. I assume those are non filtered velocity stacks?? That copper color really pops.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Mar 01, 2011, 16:52:04
Thanks for your comments guys.
 
 Spotthedogg: Yes they are non filtered right now, but I'm planning on adding a stainless steel mesh or filter of some kind later on.

Jrknecht: I'm not sure about other coulors, the store I used only had this colour.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Erskine on Mar 01, 2011, 20:23:39
Yes they are non filtered right now, but I'm planning on adding a stainless steel mesh or filter of some kind later on.

Yeah you better put something over them, you'll be sucking in boulders, small children, shopping trolleys and random street furniture otherwise.
Not sure about the colour either but the shape is chuffing cool.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: jonnyTHUNDERmaker on Mar 01, 2011, 20:58:15
Wow,
those stacks look pretty dang sick! Nice work. Not sure what your overall color scheme is going to be, but had a thought. What is you painted those stacks to match your brass footpegs? May help with the brass accent.
Just my $0.02


Keep up the good work. I would love to hear how that thing sounds with those stacks on.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Mar 02, 2011, 04:45:53
Erskine: You are absolutely right, and I am going to put something on as filter/mesh just not sure how to do it yet.

Adriannarnold: Paintscheme will be black and silver, so i think i'll have to paint them either black/silver or a brass coulor to match the pegs as you say. Don't really want them to stick out in a negative way.

Btw: I was also thinking of sticking them in a lathe and removing the outer layer and have them raw polished alu?
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Mar 03, 2011, 16:10:37
So after realizing the seat I made wasn't gonna work, it was either make a new one or make the best of the one i had, so this is what i came up with:

(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00301.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00300.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00299.jpg)
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Kasper_Munch/DSC00297.jpg)

From what I had to work with i think it came out okay.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: zerochrome on Mar 14, 2011, 15:44:24
Looks like you've made good progress.  Not sold on the seat yet, but it might look different when it's all put together. Keep it up.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Mar 14, 2011, 19:10:46
I've got to agree, I think that seat might need to be ditched. just my opinion mind you and as said it may all come together, but I'm not feeling it personally. Doesn't match up with all your other fine work.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Mar 16, 2011, 08:55:48
I've got to agree, I think that seat might need to be ditched. just my opinion mind you and as said it may all come together, but I'm not feeling it personally. Doesn't match up with all your other fine work.

That's my thoughts exactly. I'll finish the bike with this seat and get another one from a suplier when i find one i like. Also the paintjob on the tank didn't really turn out as i hoped, so will probaly have that sprayed by a proffesionel later on.

But on a positive note, I managed to start det engine a few days ago, just need some fine tuning now.

I'm at work for the next 4 weeks now, but brought a few projects out with me. Gonna make some headlight ears and a battery tray/holder.

Also I've been thinking  of the possibility to alter the head/cam to fit needle roller bearings, but still doing research on that.

Bike is close to finish now, just need a few things:

Finish wheels and fit tires
Fit Front sprocket and chain
Front and rear light
Fine tune carbs and ignition

All that when I get home in the middle of next month.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: diesel450 on Mar 16, 2011, 11:03:48
Good approach, get her on the road and have some fun, then iron out details as you go along. Let me know if you figure out the needle bearing conversion. I'd like to think about that for future builds.
Title: Re: 72' CB350 - First build.
Post by: Danish_Cafe on Mar 16, 2011, 12:21:15
I'll keep you updated on how it goes. I have some old parts that are worn that i will use for a test. Found some bearings that could work, but they wont leave much material left in the cam housings, so right now I'm trying to figure out how much material I can take away and still keep the strenght of the housings.