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Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 06, 2011, 19:18:46
Hello all, I am only 3 days into ownership of this bike but I have it down to the frame already! I have chopped the tail off, battery box, center stand, side cover tabs and helmet holder have all seen the mini grinder. I have also smoothed some of the visible welds and I'm about to get started on paint prep. I stripped the tank paint already.

I love this forum and will likely be looking for lots of help in the next couple of months, my goal is back on the road April 1!

Here are few pics to start.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6767.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6768.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6771.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6774.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6777.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6779.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stik70 on Feb 06, 2011, 19:47:56
Looking Great! Keep up the momentum!!!
Kev
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: CMHN on Feb 06, 2011, 19:53:47
W00T!!!

I love these 74 CB360's,    I really need to start working on mine.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: kookie31 on Feb 06, 2011, 19:59:33
nice, nice, nice, nice!! keep up the pace.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 08, 2011, 19:21:28
I spent some time yesterday and today smoothing welds and making the sheet metal to "box in" the underside of the seat. This will seal the electrics from the rear wheel cast off and maybe even have a little space left for storage! It will also provide a surface to mount lights and license plate.

I stripped the paint from the tank.

I ordered a smaller gel cell with 8ah and some Tarozzi low rise clip ons.


Oh, and my BELL Classic 500 helmet came today, first 3/4 open face lid since I was about 8 years old.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 14, 2011, 12:05:53
I painted the frame with VHT Satin black roll bar & chassis epoxy paint.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2140013.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: mtrace535 on Feb 14, 2011, 12:42:07
Your making me feel lazy. The frame looks great cant wait to see the rest. Do you work at a bike shop, seems to be a few of us.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 15, 2011, 04:33:31
FRAME CAME OUT LOOKING GOOD
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 15, 2011, 04:57:59
whats with all the bikes?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 15, 2011, 11:04:32
Thanks guys, I own a bike shop
www.inclinesports.ca (http://www.inclinesports.ca)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: mtrace535 on Feb 15, 2011, 12:42:10
Cool, Tzar looks pretty fast. Nice shop, you look to have all the bases coverd.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 15, 2011, 12:49:03
Yeah, Tzar was the best dog ever. Sadly he passed away in November, we really miss him a lot :-[
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 18, 2011, 17:29:53
I have been doing lots of little projects but not posting much. I just get my head into the work and forget. I've been cleaning, brushing, painting a bunch of bits and soaking others in vinegar or Evaporust. I sanded and polished/painted the stator cover today, hard to get a good picture but I'm pretty happy with it. There was a good scratch in it that I am not going to try and remove it's not nearly as noticeable in person. Painting the starter, brake strut and front "bobbed" front fender today.

Coming from this:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/statorcover.png)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2180016.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2180015.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 18, 2011, 22:34:26
Thanks guys, I own a bike shop
www.inclinesports.ca (http://www.inclinesports.ca)


 cool .My nieghbor just gave me a vintage 10 speed persoue bike you know anything about these bikes like what its worth?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 18, 2011, 23:10:46
never heard of persoue, like anything vintage it's worth whatever someone will pay :-\
Vinegar is great for removing rust and cleaning up nuts & bolts, just don't soak anything for over 24 hours it is an acid after all
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 19, 2011, 15:54:15
Some more bits cleaned up, polished and painted.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2190018.jpg)

Notice the oil filler cap?

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2190017.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 19, 2011, 22:54:15
Sweet work on the cases!!!  Drilling the oil port may cause issues , by starving oil from other places. It is an open debate butt i wouldn't do it if i where you. As far as clip ons you would need a shorter brake cable for sure. The tacho cable i dont know if they make that shorter i have read some guys using one from the smaller cb models.The clutch cable should be fine.


 
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 20, 2011, 15:01:01
Thanks, tank and front fender painting.... taking a break.... will update
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Feb 20, 2011, 16:21:54
Questions....

My serial # isn't punched, how do I check if the recall was done?


You have to pull the valve cover off and then pull the tensioner retainer off and then pull the thing out and look.  The bike being a 74 would be really good chance it didn't get it if the number isn't punched.  There was another recall to do with the rocker shafts. They changed them as well to a different type as well. 
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Feb 20, 2011, 18:38:46
First that there is something there and that if it has had the recall done, the ends of the tensioner curl AWAY from the cam chain.  The old ones curl TOWARDS it.  Pull it out and make sure both ends are there.

This what a replacement one looks like

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1436/p1020421u.jpg)



Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 20, 2011, 21:16:25
thanks, any further detail on the rocker shafts?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Feb 20, 2011, 21:52:38
You can check this one fairly easy, the caps on the right side are covers for the shafts.  The old style had floating shafts that were not connected to the caps.  The new style was, so you can just pull the caps and see if the shafts come with them.  The other side you have to take out the two bolts on top of the points boss and pull the 2 plus in the points area and then pull the shafts out and measure the tongue on them.  I really don't see the difference in either because I ended up with a set of the old and a set of the new in the rebuild I'm doing on mine.  There were updated bolts for valve cover as well but I think the fix for that is just not over tightening them.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 21, 2011, 13:15:33
Color coat is laid down

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/181694_10150418855875226_622655225_17460973_4060357_n.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 21, 2011, 13:28:02
Quick follow up, decal and cleared

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2210022.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 21, 2011, 13:40:19
Mailman just dropped a box......

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2210023.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: venicedan on Feb 21, 2011, 13:49:37
coming along nicely!!
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 21, 2011, 13:58:46
Dude you are the man at painting loving it ;)  Did you match the original color on the tank? it looks great send me some paint lol
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 21, 2011, 14:12:39
Not a factory color but it is pretty close. It's Mazda Celestial Blue ( Code 38J) from the new 3. It's much brighter than original color, tons of metallic.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 21, 2011, 15:48:23
It looks sweet. My tank is in really good shape minor little nips and chips. butt i love the color. Its the only original part and color on my bike so i cant build the guts to paint it. Keep up the good work!!!


hey since your in to bikes whats a 1970s french puegeot 10 speed  bike worth???
 
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 21, 2011, 17:55:07
Thanks, vintage bikes are worth whatever someone will pay. I am not really into vintage bicycles. I am into hydro brakes, carbon fiber and highly adjustable suspension.  ;D



My carbon mountain bike

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/bicycles/img_0955.jpg)

Oh, and if it actually has 10 speeds it's likely not worth much other than riding value
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 21, 2011, 19:47:01
That is a sweet looking bike i cant belive they are so darn expensive :o :o :o
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: Maritime on Feb 23, 2011, 10:47:25
Nice build so far, puts my ratty half cafe to shame. If I make it for a ride up to your neck of the woods I will stop by the shop and say hello.  Keep up the great work, paint is very nice.  Oh yeah and the discussion on the oil issue, the head are starved from the factory causing pre-mature wear, some guys drill out the oil channel to help, then add an oil cooler to increase the amount of oil in the bike to help not starve the bottom after.

Cheers,

Maritime
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 24, 2011, 12:58:54
OK, so I took some compression readings but it was hard since the motor is out and I could only get weak kicks after a few I only got 70psi in each cylinder. Is this because of it being cold, out on the floor or my technique or am I missing something. It did run and I don't think it would with 70psi...
I don't have the updated cam chain tensioner or rocker shafts. Is this a major concern?

The cam shaft does have a fair bit of side to side runout, I guess it will need some shims. Overall wear looks minimal
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 24, 2011, 17:38:49
OK, so I took some compression readings but it was hard since the motor is out and I could only get weak kicks after a few I only got 70psi in each cylinder. Is this because of it being cold, out on the floor or my technique or am I missing something. It did run and I don't think it would with 70psi...
I don't have the updated cam chain tensioner or rocker shafts. Is this a major concern?

The cam shaft does have a fair bit of side to side runout, I guess it will need some shims. Overall wear looks minimal

 Well i dont see you being able to really get a good compression reading if your bike is not in the frame. 70 psi is very low .you want around 180 psi. 150 is your minimum and that is also conciderd low. I recomend since you have your engine out hone it ,get new rings , new gaskets,and ,replace the valves if needed. Keep this in mind if eigther cylinder is 10 t0 15 psi from one another then you need to rebuild your top end. Just some food for thought!!
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 24, 2011, 17:39:36
The updated or any cam chain tensioner seems pretty rare, mine really show very little wear and I'm wondering if I can get away with them. I found updated rocker shafts on eBay NOS for cheap.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 24, 2011, 17:43:53

 Well i dont see you being able to really get a good compression reading if your bike is not in the frame. 70 psi is very low .you want around 180 psi. 150 is your minimum and that is also conciderd low. I recomend since you have your engine out hone it ,get new rings , new gaskets,and ,replace the valves if needed. Keep this in mind if eigther cylinder is 10 t0 15 psi from one another then you need to rebuild your top end. Just some food for thought!!


 Thank you, everything looks pretty good in there. I ordered some new rings (stock size) and I already had a complete gasket kit coming. I think the cylinders just need to be de-glazed and I will get the valves seated. What can I do as far as planing the decks? How much can come off?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 24, 2011, 17:52:45
  I dont know the answer to this question sorry!!
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Feb 24, 2011, 21:35:01
OK as far as checking the compression on an engine that is not PHYSICALLY mounted in something that will let you kick the shit out of the kick start I wouldn't even try to do the test.  Put the sucker back in the frame if you can, and then try to do the test.  Shoot for about 150-160 cold, the sides should be within 10 psi of each other as mentioned. If you get that then I would call it gravy for now.  If not then put about a cap full of oil in the plug holes and give it a min to settle in. Then do the test again  If the pressure jumps up then your rings are prolly shot.  If it crawls up or doesn't change your valves may be leaking. You can hear the valves leak when the compression cycle hits.

IF you think the valves are leaking then do this, go to the store, buy some acetone, pull the head and set the head on its side and pour the stuff into the ports and look at your valves. You should not see any wetness on the combustion side of the valves.  Do the other side. If you see stuff leaking out then your valves are not sealing and you need to figure out why.  I had this issue with my bike and both the exhaust valves some how got bent. The intake valve seats were pretty screwed up too.  I had spares so I pulled the valves out and lapped them all and presto, good seal NO LEAKS.

If your head is good then the next issue is the rings or the cylinders. Get your manual and some measuring devices, feeler gauge and caliper, and get to checking the ring gaps, piston and cylinder wear and such.  The manual will tell you what things should look like although I can say that if you can still see the markings on the tops of the rings you may be close to tolerance on the ring grooves in the pistons, if they are shiny they are prolly shot. I would have ordered the rings after I measured things, I also like ordering the next size up so I can hand file fit each ring to each cylinder.  After deglazing that is. 

The cam should have a shim on the right side, again this is something that the manual will tell you as far as how out it can be without it. You may look around in the engine it might have fallen in if you have the head off. 

There is really nothing wrong with the old tensioners other than you have to be DILIGENT about keeping the effing cam chain TIGHT.  Too mcuh slack will cause the chain to slap the top tensioner mount and tear shit up. It will also chew up the case as well.  KEEP an EYE on eBay, they come by all the time.  The big thing I see with the rocker deal was stronger bolts to hold the head down.  The shafts are pretty much the same size. 

Decking the head is something a machinist will have to go through with you.  There are ways to measure but that is another story.  Find a good reputable guy, tell them what you want and you may have to bring most of the engine to them for measuring, they should tell you what they need. 

Worst part about taking the engine apart is finding shit you don't want to see. MY PO ran the dog piss outa this machine, with a clogged oil filter screen and possibly gas in the oil, for a LONG time.  I found all sorta worn out crap and spent a lot of time measuring things and digging through eBay looking for deals.  I ended up having to do the entire top end and the crank shaft because you can't take the bitch apart and change con rods.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: AimSmall on Feb 25, 2011, 02:37:24
Hey what clip ons are those? Can you give us a link please?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 25, 2011, 17:09:44
Thanks frogman, I canceled the ring order for now. I thought there was only one ring size per piston? If you go up a size in rings go up to oversize piston is what I was told. I have a guy doing the valve seats and measuring the cylinders, they are clean very smooth.

Tarozzi clip ons I bought at www.fastfromthepast.com (http://www.fastfromthepast.com)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Feb 25, 2011, 21:15:06
If you re-ring a used cylinder then once you hone out the glaze you will remove SOME of the metal in the bore.  Your pistons will expand somewhat as they heat up so they will sorta fill the gap but the stock rings will likely not fit within tolerance.  .25 over rings for a slightly used bore will let you hand fit them so they are in spec with the manual and give you as much compression as possible.  Plus they are meant for slightly bigger bores so they have just a hair more spring in them and will push just a bit more against the cylinder walls. 

.25 over is barely noticeable and can be hand fit with a good hand file and some patience in a slightly used standard bore. You should check the end gaps on the original rings before you order the next set.  If you have to bore things out then you go with the new bore size.

All this talk is killing me I'm a coat of paint from getting things back together and running.  Well the frame needs a coat, the tins are still waiting for my hammer love.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: ctcranor on Feb 25, 2011, 22:40:35
Franz,


I see you frequent this forum also, thanks for the tip on the internals over on Hondatwins.  I wanted to throw this idea out there on this post as the oiling issue came up earlier.


I'm contemplating a remote oil filter and cooler via an external electric oil pump.  I think I would tap a fitting from the bottom of the engine block under the windage tray to the pump, pump to a remote filter (both located low and behind the engine) then around front to a cooler and back to another tap under the other windage tray.  Past cooling the oil I'll have the ability to filter the oil, and change the filter, outside the engine.  I was trying to figure a way to spray the oil up top into the head instead of returning it to the oil sump but that got complicated (really couldn't find any room) and worried about draining the oil from the lower half.  What are your thoughts?  Overkill?  Easier to just use good oil and change it often?  See any serious downfalls to the idea?


The pump I'm looking at is about 2x5", weighs 3 lbs, 2 gpm at 20 PSI.  Is 20 PSI enough to push oil thru a paper filter system?  That is my big unknown for now...


Thanks for the input!
Chris
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Feb 25, 2011, 23:48:57
I'm still looking at a remote cooler and a possible filter for mine but without the external pump.  The issue I see with the other types of oil pumps like on 350s and 450s is that they use a piston oil pump and those really don't create any pressure. The radial pumps that 360 use are different in that they make more consistent pressure than the pistons do. For me, I just need to get things back running and then get to drilling. The problem for me with the external pump is that it may use more electricity than the bike can make at an idle, just a thought there. 

ALL the old guys say the same, "Change the oil, clean the filter and screen and run it."  I'm of that same thought but I have that screwed up gene that just won't leave shit well enough alone.  IF I did an external Oil pump I would figure out the return to go up on the head somewhere to spray oil over the cam.  It can be done, I have seen it before, on this forum for sure, go look up kanticoy's gretta build.  I got a lot of inspiration from that bike. The adding in of the cooler also adds fact that if you do it right you also add volume of the cooler to the overall oil fill and can add that amount to the total volume of oil in the engine.  SO you can get around some of the starving just by adding more oil.  :D 

I want a cooler because it gets freaking hot around here in the summer and I love to ride hot or cold, wet or dry.  I have a 45 min ride to work through some really good hill country with lots of twists and turns and ups and downs so I know any overkill now I can put in will just help it live longer. I give two shakes about power, if I did I would have bought a crotch rocket and been done.

As far as how much pressure it takes to push oil through a filter, I have no idea. The guys on twins say that maybe these things make 10-15 PSI but I have a bet its a bit more, just a hunch.

Good to see more Twins guys, there are several of us over here too.  8) BTW I'm originally from CO and I miss the hell out of it. Lots of good riding up there for sure.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: ctcranor on Feb 26, 2011, 12:18:02
I saw that bike, I think you must of posted a link on another posting a while back, that is what got me thinking also.  I didn't think the stock internal pump would have enough pressure to push the oil through a remote filter so I started looking into external pumps.  My system left the stock system to provide it's function while I provided a second.  Good point on the amp draw, I'll have to research that a bit more.  My initial thought would be to put the pump on a switch and only turn the system on once up to temperature and while driving.


I did find a few articles on the web last night that said a rule of thumb, for automotive, is 10 psi per 1000 rpm's.  So I'm thinking a car at idle is producing 10 psi and pushing oil so 20 would work.  I'm thinking I'll just drill and tap in 2 AN to NPT fittings now that the case is open and cap them.  That way my taps are ready to proceed if I decide to do it.


I think I'm a bit like you, can never let the original design rest....always trying to figure out how to screw it up (well, I might screw it up...you may simple improve it!).


Chris
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 26, 2011, 15:59:37
I have the white and blue wires pulled out of my headlight socket by mistake. Which is drive and which is pass?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 27, 2011, 16:11:40
I am not going to run my speedometer, what do I do with the pick up at the hub?????
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 27, 2011, 16:12:27
I just boiled my carbs in lemon juice and vinegar, that worked well but smelled not so great.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2270029.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: bluemitch on Feb 27, 2011, 16:57:20
Great looking project, that is coming along real quick.
 
I am just dipping my toe into my project- not having too much mechanical knowledge- I am only going slow.
 
Looking forward to watching your build come alive
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 27, 2011, 18:40:03
I am not going to run my speedometer, what do I do with the pick up at the hub? ??? ?
You just leave it and dont run the cable.

Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Feb 27, 2011, 18:54:41
Hey how do i get my thread link under my comments , like you did?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Feb 27, 2011, 19:28:01
I just went to my page 1, copied the address bar and put it in my sig when editing forum profile.

Just wrapped up some polishing work, not too bad but not great and not what I want. When the budget opens up I will re-visit the wheels. I plan on next winter getting some nice tires and powdercoating the hoops and hubs satin black with fresh stainless steel spokes. Maybe if I get lucky I'll find some aluminum hoops anodized black.


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P2270030.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 01, 2011, 19:44:27
Well I painted some of the motor, installed the bottom end in the frame, the swingarrm and slid the rear wheel in. The only issue so far is I can't hook up the rear brake.... only one rod will attach at a time. :-\ Not sure why

Next up is putting the wiring harness back in.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Mar 02, 2011, 03:16:38
Well I painted some of the motor, installed the bottom end in the frame, the swingarrm and slid the rear wheel in. The only issue so far is I can't hook up the rear brake.... only one rod will attach at a time. :-\ Not sure why

Next up is putting the wiring harness back in.
Take some pictures to show us, or look at the parts fiche so we know what parts you are talking about. So we can help with info!!
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Mar 02, 2011, 22:42:39
With the brake thing, just take the arm off the housing on the back and move it a few splines to the front, I know there is a spot that looks like it lines up withe slot in the arm but there is still some wiggle room.

The rest looks really good, that front fender looks freaking awesome!!  You should see my shop, I have crap piled everywhere right now but the piles are at least getting smaller. ;D
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 03, 2011, 10:53:39
I'll try but I thought there was just one way it could go on. ???
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: kMoto on Mar 03, 2011, 13:19:24
I'm sure you've seen the flat spot on the splined shaft that enters the drum (that the brake arm goes onto), and that is why you can't rotate the brake arm that far.  I just filed/grinded that flat spot down.  So, the splines don't hit it.  Then you can put it in any position you want. You might have to mess with that little cover behind the brake arm too.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 03, 2011, 14:52:29
It's weird because it all was together when I got the bike.

*edit* I just bent the lever stop back, I forgot I had bent it forward because it looked bent and I put a pin switch in it that is likely a bit thicker than the previous adjustment for the stop.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 03, 2011, 19:58:50
Where did this fall from? I noticed it hit the floor on dis-assembly. Using Ebay link for convenience.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GROUND-WIRE-74-75-76-HONDA-CB360-CL360-CB-CL-360-K1-K2-/160403471603?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2558cabcf3 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GROUND-WIRE-74-75-76-HONDA-CB360-CL360-CB-CL-360-K1-K2-/160403471603?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2558cabcf3)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Mar 03, 2011, 21:01:46
It is a ground wire that goes from the bottom of the handle bar risers (under one of the acorn nuts) to the under side of one of the gauge mounts on the top tree clamp. It's needed if you run any bars that use the bar clamps as the bars will be isolated electrically, because they are rubber mounted, from the rest of the bike and have no ground.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 04, 2011, 10:52:40
OK, so looks like I don't need them as I am running clip-ons. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Mar 04, 2011, 11:35:21
Dude your laggin hurry up and putt the bike  together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   J/K i am liking the two tone fender cant weight to see the rest!
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 04, 2011, 19:14:57
yeah, I am kinda lagging waiting for parts. :( ;D
I got the mufflers today and some relays.
 
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Mar 04, 2011, 20:21:04
And I spy with my little eyes some spott the dog auctions on ebays. ;) Good luck bud.

I know the feeling I been waiting on a new set of coils and wires for 3 weeks now and they were sitting on my desk when I got home this afternoon.  That means for the first time in over 2 months I can fire the bitch up this weekend if I so feel. ;D There's a lot of work to go before that but I can get there prolly Sunday.  8)

What muff's did you get?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 04, 2011, 20:49:43
17" reverse cone megaphones x2.
I just started listing parts I don't want and it got up to 35 listings! Hopefully get a few bucks back towards new parts.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 07, 2011, 18:19:15
I ordered some of
Durgam_K's (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4816)Rear sets
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Mar 08, 2011, 12:06:23
nice. The reverse cones are the way to go i like the old school reverse cone commandos they look sweet. When the budget allows for it that is.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 08, 2011, 14:28:48
The guy measuring my cylinders and rings and pistons says I need new pistons and rings. The bore is fine just a hone/de-glaze.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 09, 2011, 14:17:41
What do you use to seal the valve cover on assembly? Form-a-Gasket?
Does anybody know how much 2" header wrap I need for the 360?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: .jordan on Mar 09, 2011, 15:59:30
I would just buy more than you need. Also if you're buying it from a site, they will give you approximations on how much to use.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 09, 2011, 19:22:57
Has anyone tapped the lower triple for a steering stabilizer? If so where did you clamp the other end?

I got my headlight ears today, the smallest I could find was 35mm (great Ebay seller from Toronto). What I did was cut a section of bicycle inner tube to use as a shim/rubber mount. They go on nice and tight, I will just trim the excess once I have the position dialed. The tubes worked well because they are tubular and I could stretch them on tight.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3090006.jpg)

I took a picture although my progress has slowed, waiting for rearsets, gaskets, seat, lights, pistons, rings, caliper etc.
I got a nice set of polished stainless steel bolts today from http://www.alloyboltz.com/catalog/index.php (http://www.alloyboltz.com/catalog/index.php)
It's very nice and all cataloged/organized, super impressed.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3090007.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3090009.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 09, 2011, 19:52:14
Here are my mufflers

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3090010.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Mar 10, 2011, 00:38:02
She is starting to come to life i like it .
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 11, 2011, 13:34:48
I just got my seat!!!! Looks great, I am getting my camera now
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 12, 2011, 13:44:05
Here is my seat from HondaClassic31.com 
It took 3.5 weeks to come from Vietnam, build quality is very nice. I got the complete seat with reproduction seat pan. It's not attached yet, just sitting there.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3120016.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3120017.jpg)

I wrapped the header pipe with DEi black fiberglass header wrap. Looks pretty nice but I still need to put the top coat on once it's dry.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3120023.jpg)

Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Mar 12, 2011, 18:06:00
Looks nice, how much did one side take?  I'm thinking about doing the same for mine since they are pretty chewed up.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: scioncl450 on Mar 12, 2011, 18:21:51
i love your front fender
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 12, 2011, 19:22:09
Looks nice, how much did one side take?  I'm thinking about doing the same for mine since they are pretty chewed up.

14' and 2 clamps
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 12, 2011, 19:22:40
i love your front fender

thanks
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Mar 12, 2011, 22:47:27
14' and 2 clamps

Good to know thanks a bunch. 
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 14, 2011, 14:18:47
A few boxes just landed  :D
Tail light, shorter braided brake lines, LED indicators, brake pads and a set of rocker shafts
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 16, 2011, 17:09:17
More bits today, including my Do the Ton T-Shirt in the Dime City cycles box. I got the new pistons/rings and a set of front blinkers, also a pile of stuff from the machine shop. 8)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 16, 2011, 18:51:47
Spent some time today fabbing a bracket for the tail light and license plate and finishing up the tach/speedo design and fab.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3160022.jpg)



I also had a spacer made to eliminate the speedo drive, it's 29mm long if you want to make one.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3160024.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 16, 2011, 19:39:44
These are the blinkers I am using up front, a bit bigger than I thought but i like them.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P3160025.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project, updated photos, HELP with puzzle 3/18
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 18, 2011, 21:03:20
Somebody help me identify the 2 seals, 1 gasket and 2 o-rings circled. I don't recall what they are for, I just got the Athena gasket kit and there is not item list.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/HondaCB36073-77GasketSet_1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: mspringer on Mar 18, 2011, 21:13:27
I don't have any idea what those items are for, but I like what you did with the indicator lights.  I might have to steal that from you.  Great Idea!
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: PHeller on Mar 18, 2011, 21:47:29
Valve Seals and Oil Pump gasket?


Won't your Speedo block the tach?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 18, 2011, 22:45:30
Valve Seals and Oil Pump gasket?
Nope, 4 valve seals... oil pump gasket?? Don't remember there being one of those.

Won't your Speedo block the tach?

Just the bottom of the tach where there is no information.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 18, 2011, 22:47:45
Yup, oil pump #7. I don't plan to have that one apart.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/canvas.png)
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Mar 19, 2011, 10:58:38
There are 2 sorta really wide o-rings that go around 2 of the locating pegs between the head and the cylinders to keep the oil in the back out side 2 studs from leaking out. Those are the oil passages to the head.  # 3 on the diagram below.

The other 2 are possibly # 24 on that diagram for the oil pump, they go behind it.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 19, 2011, 11:54:10
Are there any good how to tips for rebuilding the master cylinder? I don't even know how to get the boot off... just pull it out?
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: frogman on Mar 19, 2011, 18:00:20
To be honest, if it doesn't leak leave it alone. All I did to mine was flush it really well, clean it off and paint it.  It hasn't leaked and does a great job. 

There is special set of snap ring plyers to get the snap ring out.  That's all I know about it.
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 22, 2011, 19:41:15
It is leaking around the boot >:(
Title: Re: My 1974 CB360 project
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 24, 2011, 18:00:32
Another small update, installed my drilled rotor and front caliper. Waiting for MC rebuild kit. Progress has slowed a bunch. I took the valve seals out of the head and the new ones in my gasket kit are not even similar  >:(

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/207.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/209.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- coming along nicely
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 24, 2011, 22:05:36
Man I get frustrated searching for some of these little parts. Then you find one of them somewhere and get killed on shipping a single bit worth $2
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- coming along nicely
Post by: mspringer on Mar 24, 2011, 22:47:58
Rotor looks good, did you countersink those a little?
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- coming along nicely
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 12:38:48
I put the tach back together this morning, I think it looks great. I have two extra overlays like this if anybody wants to Paypal me $12 shipped. incline@nb.aibn.com

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6816.jpg)


I'm just trying to figure out how to fold the edge back down without scratching the paint.....

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6815.jpg)

Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- coming along nicely
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 12:41:55
Rotor looks good, did you countersink those a little?

The holes are chamfered so as not to crack
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 14:12:26
Right side case

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6817.jpg)

I got two manuals in the mail today, slight technology difference between my VFR800A and my CB360

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6818.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Mar 25, 2011, 15:41:45
The right side case looks nice, man.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 18:13:51
Thanks, here is the left side

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/189145_10150460386090226_622655225_17935424_4462507_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: Erskine on Mar 25, 2011, 18:30:38
Really clean build mate :)
I think your engine will look great with the satin casings, as everyone says, these are some of the best looking engines of the era.
To do the over lay on your clocks did to have to prize the glass off the top?
Title: Re: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: Maritime on Mar 25, 2011, 19:31:14
looking good.  Has the snow melted up your way yet.  We just got like 2" and it stayed, means a few more days of waiting till I can get the bike out of the shed :( 
Title: Re: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 20:13:29
Really clean build mate :)
I think your engine will look great with the satin casings, as everyone says, these are some of the best looking engines of the era.
To do the over lay on your clocks did to have to prize the glass off the top?

The only hard part is getting the stainless steel ring off the waist. Then the guts are just all stacked on top of one another, the glass sits in a rubber gasket.
Title: Re: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 20:14:54
looking good.  Has the snow melted up your way yet.  We just got like 2" and it stayed, means a few more days of waiting till I can get the bike out of the shed :(

Thanks, we have a shit-ass-load of snow still. I was in Saint John for the weekend and there was none until you went in the woods where there was still enough for a nice snowshoe.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 20:17:44
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200636_10150460386145226_622655225_17935425_3953891_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 20:23:53
Here's a peak at what the front end will look like with the tach, speedo, signals and big Honda Hornet halogen headlight. I am reading that I'll likely have to go to a smaller output H4 like a 35/35w. Any comments?

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6820.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6824.jpg)

And from the riders perspective.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6825.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: mspringer on Mar 25, 2011, 20:24:34
Looks great, must feel good to be doing the final assembly.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 20:47:57
Looks great, must feel good to be doing the final assembly.

Thanks for that. It's almost final assembly. Will be disassembling some a few times likely ;)
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: DP9 on Mar 25, 2011, 21:02:39
hey, were there any pics you wanted of mods others have done?  i saw you wanted a shot of the mounting of a steering stabilizer which im gonna take later tonight for ya.  anything else specific?
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 25, 2011, 21:09:57
hey, were there any pics you wanted of mods others have done?  i saw you wanted a shot of the mounting of a steering stabilizer which im gonna take later tonight for ya.  anything else specific?

not that comes to mind, thanks! Where can I find the pic once it's posted?
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: DP9 on Mar 25, 2011, 21:18:26
Ill post it right here in your thread for easy reference.  also, I would go with a 35w/35w H4 bulb.  you could get a significant power draw from running a higher wattage bulb that could affect performance.  ask me how i know.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: benarmour on Mar 25, 2011, 21:23:26
Digging the bike! Really liking the seat. Should look really sweet riding down the road when it's all completed :D
Title: Re: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: sinjinle on Mar 25, 2011, 21:52:15
I put the tach back together this morning, I think it looks great. I have two extra overlays like this if anybody wants to Paypal me $12 shipped. incline@nb.aibn.com

LOOK GREAT, how hard is it to take the tach apart? I been trying to figure out what's the best way to take it apart. any pics of it apart?
thanks

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6816.jpg)


I'm just trying to figure out how to fold the edge back down without scratching the paint.....

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6815.jpg)


Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: cafePete on Mar 26, 2011, 00:23:34
Great build you got going spot. Love the paint. :D
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: CBdublin on Mar 26, 2011, 00:49:03
i see you have the shifter flipped ( or as far as i can tell ) whats your brake setup going to be?
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: DP9 on Mar 26, 2011, 03:29:18
heres how i did the steering stabilizer.  mounted it on the right side with some aluminum angle iron, sprayed black.  used two self tapping sheet metal screws with rubber/metal washers from lowes.  on the tree, i just drilled a hole and put a nut on the bottom with some red loc-tite.  I put the tank on, positioned it as close to the tank as possible, and then took the tank off and marked the position of the bracket (angle alum). 


(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww44/dpNo9/IMG_20110326_020531.jpg)


(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww44/dpNo9/IMG_20110326_020721.jpg)


god, im a bad photog.  im sure being drunk doesnt help.  oh well.  let me know if you want some sober shots of the setup.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 17:13:41
Digging the bike! Really liking the seat. Should look really sweet riding down the road when it's all completed :D

That's, I really liked the seat the first time I saw it. I am really starting to feel attached to the bike, lovin' the lines.
Title: Re: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 17:15:37


I didn't take any pics of the tach while apart, I should have I suppose. But it seemed like there were lots of pics on taking it apart already.

I just peeled the stainless steel ring open and it all comes apart like stacked cups.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 17:16:49
Great build you got going spot. Love the paint. :D

Thanks Pete, like I said you have been a CB360 inspiration.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 17:17:52
i see you have the shifter flipped ( or as far as i can tell ) whats your brake setup going to be?

That was just sitting there as I was putting it in neutral. I am using some Tarozzi folding black rubber rear sets
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 17:30:25
heres how i did the steering stabilizer.  mounted it on the right side with some aluminum angle iron, sprayed black.  used two self tapping sheet metal screws with rubber/metal washers from lowes.  on the tree, i just drilled a hole and put a nut on the bottom with some red loc-tite.  I put the tank on, positioned it as close to the tank as possible, and then took the tank off and marked the position of the bracket (angle alum). 

god, im a bad photog.  im sure being drunk doesnt help.  oh well.  let me know if you want some sober shots of the setup.

Thanks, interesting. It is hard to see from that photo, did you use the factory position in the lower tree? I started to drill mine to tap it but have held off until I get a definite design.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 18:04:34
OK, I have an issue I think.
I put the bike in neutral, rolls along but the kickstart is frozen.
Pull the clutch kickstart cycles but does not turn crankshaft.
Put in first gear pull the clutch lever and the kickstart will drive the wheel.
Put the bike in gear and pull the clutch, the bike will roll.
Put the bike in gear it will turn the crank when pushed.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: AimSmall on Mar 26, 2011, 18:40:49
I would pull the right side cover, I'm guessing here but it may be the kicker mechanism inside is just stuck?
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: DP9 on Mar 26, 2011, 19:22:53
Thanks, interesting. It is hard to see from that photo, did you use the factory position in the lower tree? I started to drill mine to tap it but have held off until I get a definite design.


I didnt have a factory hole for a stabilizer, so i drilled one in the tree that is as far to the back and as close to the fork as i could, while still being able to fit a nut on the underside.  I didnt tap the tree, I just used red loc-tite on the nut.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 19:32:56

I didnt have a factory hole for a stabilizer, so i drilled one in the tree that is as far to the back and as close to the fork as i could, while still being able to fit a nut on the underside.  I didnt tap the tree, I just used red loc-tite on the nut.

No, there is no hole but you can see where it is cast in such a way to drill from the underside. You'd see it's not symmetric.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 26, 2011, 19:34:24
I would pull the right side cover, I'm guessing here but it may be the kicker mechanism inside is just stuck?

But it moves freely when the clutch is pulled in, also I did take the cover off and it made no change.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: AimSmall on Mar 27, 2011, 01:58:51
But it moves freely when the clutch is pulled in, also I did take the cover off and it made no change.

Interesting, if you do this with the cover off it does the same thing huh? :o I guess I'd have to look at the bike to figure that one out.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - not many comments :(
Post by: DP9 on Mar 27, 2011, 02:40:48
No, there is no hole but you can see where it is cast in such a way to drill from the underside. You'd see it's not symmetric.


ok, here is what I would do.  take the bottom tree off, put a nut in it (as pictured), mark the center, drill a hole.


(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww44/dpNo9/IMG_20110327_013630.jpg)



Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 28, 2011, 11:23:05
In your picture you can see the spot I was talking about, to the right of the steerer there is a flat bottomed circle. That's what I am drilling and tapping when I do it. I just didn't know where the mount to the frame.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Mar 28, 2011, 12:26:13
I mounted it to the frame using the stock horn mounting holes.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 28, 2011, 18:55:56
pheeew! I got it, the cam chain was jammed. Everything is butter now. I don't have the head on, haha
Sorry for the bother
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - new question :(
Post by: DP9 on Mar 28, 2011, 19:10:43
In your picture you can see the spot I was talking about, to the right of the steerer there is a flat bottomed circle. That's what I am drilling and tapping when I do it. I just didn't know where the mount to the frame.


ok im still a little lost (steerer?).  i have seen guys mount them to frame on the front of the steering stem so that they go are positioned essentially parallel to the lower tree, instead of perpendicular as mine is.  they just weld a little tab on there and drill a hole in it.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 29, 2011, 00:05:26
steerer= steer tube, just look in the very upper right corner of your picture. That's the damper mount location
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: DP9 on Mar 29, 2011, 00:31:55
so youre going to drill and tap the bottom of your steering stem.  and that is going to be the mounting point for the stabilizer body or piston?  The more I understand about this setup, the more lost I am.  probably my fault.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 29, 2011, 10:56:33
Piston end goes here,

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/IMG_20110327_013630.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 29, 2011, 20:13:07
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/Colage.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Mar 30, 2011, 11:03:50
Hey spot your almost done bro. I see  you want to add a steering damper. I have been running around town in my 360 and dont notice the need for it. You dont really turn a motorcycle you lean it, so  i see that damper being useless . You are creating extra work for yourself. Wait until you actually ride your bike and if you notice a need for it then go for the mod. you will saved time ,money,and  most importantly  is seat time on the blue machine  ;D
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 30, 2011, 14:27:36
Hey spot your almost done bro. I see  you want to add a steering damper. I have been running around town in my 360 and dont notice the need for it. You dont really turn a motorcycle you lean it, so  i see that damper being useless . You are creating extra work for yourself. Wait until you actually ride your bike and if you notice a need for it then go for the mod. you will saved time ,money,and  most importantly  is seat time on the blue machine  ;D

Exactly what I plan to do, just remembering the nasty tank slappers my 1983 CM450E had at 130Kph :-\
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 01, 2011, 15:10:43
Engine is assembled, just need to set the valves and timing!!!
Title: Re: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: Maritime on Apr 01, 2011, 15:17:00
Yes, I am planning to put a damper on both my CM and my GL, tank slappers seem to happen on these old bikes at Freeway speeds.  And they make you almost Shit your pants.  A damper just eliminates them.

glad the motor is buttoned up.  I will have to make a ride up your way to see this bike in person....if it ever stops snowing Jeesh HEavy bloody snowfall warning tonight, mother nature is not nice for april fools.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 01, 2011, 17:44:27
yeah, started here about an hour ago. I just put my summers on the Forester :P
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 01, 2011, 18:02:42
Today's updates

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6831.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6832.jpg)

Tarozzi rearsets  ;D ;D

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6833.jpg)

Insured, tagged/registered ;D ;D

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6834.jpg)
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Post by: Maritime on Apr 01, 2011, 18:22:27
Lookin clean.  Drive home sucked, got here and the cover blew off the 450 so all the exposed electrics are full of snow.  F!  Wife is coming home From Fredericton and called an hour into her drive and was just past gagetown, with studded tires.  Anyway, spring will be here soon.  You pic reminds me I need to hit the DMV to register for the season.

Keep the updates coming.  I wish I had an indoor spot to work too.

Cheers,

maritime
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 04, 2011, 12:52:48
What are people using for a muffler gasket? Honda doesn't have a listing for the lead crush donut.
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Post by: frogman on Apr 04, 2011, 13:36:49
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CB350-CL350-CB360-CL360-GL500-Exhaust-Gaskets-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem25628882c1QQitemZ160566903489QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CB350-CL350-CB360-CL360-GL500-Exhaust-Gaskets-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem25628882c1QQitemZ160566903489QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

Too easy  ;D
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 04, 2011, 13:49:40
Those are not muffler gaskets, those are head pipe gaskets. I need muffler gaskets. They look like this

(http://www.mikesxs.net/parts/img250/17-4526.jpg)
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Post by: Maritime on Apr 04, 2011, 14:01:24
I ended up using a liquid gasket, seemed to work ok, 2 seasons in and no leaks yet.  Got it at Crappy Tire.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 04, 2011, 14:23:37
I found the part # 18392-mk4-000
Now I just have to wait for them  >:(
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 04, 2011, 19:16:47
I think my starter clutch is done >:( , it just spins
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: frogman on Apr 04, 2011, 21:17:35
Did you take it off the bike?
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 04, 2011, 21:48:15
I did now and fixed it. I may have to replace it though. The springs were all shot and the screws were loose. Works fine now with some new ball point pen springs  ;D
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 04, 2011, 21:49:18
When I try to set the timing with a trouble light the light is on when the points are open and closed.... why is that?
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: frogman on Apr 05, 2011, 09:30:05
The point gap is too wide or you have the light hooked up wrong.  I take the light probe end and rest it on the fins and take the clip end and hook it to the screw that attaches the wire to the point. The wire coming into the point area has 12v+ on it and the points closing finishes the circuit to ground. IF it is on all the time, loosen the point gap adjuster screw and manually close it and see if it goes out, if it does you have the gap set wrong.  Have you replaced them or at least filed them flat?

On the clutch side of things, most people get away with the pen springs, check your local hardware store, I know mine carries all types and sizes even ones that fit that spot. :D  Which screws were loose?
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 05, 2011, 14:07:53
I used 3 pen springs and the three screws that hold the clutch together were loose. That's all fixed for now. I got a new condenser this morn and ordered some fresh points. I am still waiting for my Hondaman transistorized box.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 05, 2011, 19:35:06
I took my spark advancer apart to clean and shim, now I don't know the proper orientation of the cam lobe, help??
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 05, 2011, 22:51:49
OK, got that sorted by trial and error. Hey, it's 50/50 and I got it wrong the first time ???
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 05, 2011, 23:13:18
SHE'S ALIVE!!! SHE'S ALIVE!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 05, 2011, 23:22:35
It actually started very easily, won't quite idle without a little choke and there is a flaming popping backfire on the right side. Of course there are no mufflers on it so that may not help and the air filters are K&N cones, all I did to the carbs so far was clean them up.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 05, 2011, 23:44:20
A little video

MVI 6839 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsb5ra68oKU#)
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Post by: jonnyTHUNDERmaker on Apr 05, 2011, 23:55:12
SWEET!!! Great job man.


It is such a good feeling hearing that sound. Nice looking bike, I like the header wrap. How difficult was it to do that?


Congrats!
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Post by: scioncl450 on Apr 06, 2011, 01:20:47
sounds nice!!
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Post by: frogman on Apr 06, 2011, 10:00:35
;D Good stuff man, that always makes me feel better when they pop off with out much work. 

Pull the point cover see if it still pops. The right side will ground out against it or be close enough to waste a spark on it once in a while. If it does either put another gasket on or silicon the fire out of the cap right there. May have to adjust things to get it off too.

The choke is needed because you have no back pressure on the carbs so they can't pull the gas needed until its running. The popping is a carb thing 90% of the time from un-synced carbs to lean fuel mixture due to changes in the intake and exhaust systems.  The other 10% is mechanical, maybe the exhaust valve on that side is too tight or the timing is off.
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Post by: Maritime on Apr 06, 2011, 10:17:39
Congrats.  Always nice when they fire up after being taken apart.
Title: Re: 1974 CB360 project- lots of pics and progress - - gimme my parts :(
Post by: stript.714 o/c on Apr 06, 2011, 13:37:49
SHE'S ALIVE!!! SHE'S ALIVE!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yewwwww congrats she sounds healthy Good feeling finally hearing them purr  :D
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Post by: Grahamworks on Apr 06, 2011, 13:43:45
Sounds great! Can't wait to my CB purr some day. I love hearing the Nine Inch Nails in the background.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 06, 2011, 13:52:45
;D Good stuff man, that always makes me feel better when they pop off with out much work. 

Pull the point cover see if it still pops. The right side will ground out against it or be close enough to waste a spark on it once in a while. If it does either put another gasket on or silicon the fire out of the cap right there. May have to adjust things to get it off too.

The choke is needed because you have no back pressure on the carbs so they can't pull the gas needed until its running. The popping is a carb thing 90% of the time from un-synced carbs to lean fuel mixture due to changes in the intake and exhaust systems.  The other 10% is mechanical, maybe the exhaust valve on that side is too tight or the timing is off.

Thanks again, what do you mean "silicone the fire out of the cap"? The gasket looks fine but I have a new one too. I had trouble getting the left point lead off the cap at first.
I rechecked the left valves and they were off, plan to re-check right side.
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Post by: frogman on Apr 06, 2011, 16:30:10
I meant throw some silicone in the cap to help insulate the point from the cap.  I know this from experience because I had mine on with out the gasket and it was close enough that the wire would ground out on the cap. I put the gasket back on and the issue went away. Someone else I have talked with said they put silicone around the screw ends and the wires where they attach to the points and that solved their issue. It's really a crappy design because you can twist the plate only so far till they run into the cap.

The second gasket is just a spacer.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 06, 2011, 16:43:45
I think the points cover was actually off, I fired it one time when the left side was touching and sparks flew right out of the screw hole!
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Post by: DP9 on Apr 06, 2011, 17:00:27
i had a problem with my points arcing to the cover.  doubled up my gaskets and also smeared some permatex right stuff rtv around on the inside of the cover.  no problems since.  well, not with that problem at any rate.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 06, 2011, 17:51:15
Cool, I'll give that a go

Thanks
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 06, 2011, 20:26:53
I doubled the gasket and re-set the right side valves & no more pops. Still won't idle but we'll see once I get the mufflers on and get it warmed up a bit. It's inside my shop right now and stinks up pretty quick.
Kick-started her twice and both times sooo easy!!
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Post by: frogman on Apr 06, 2011, 20:29:09
Good deal, the idle will come with time and tuning.
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Post by: jonnyTHUNDERmaker on Apr 06, 2011, 20:41:22
Good work so far.


I just went through your build thread again. Somehow I missed your front fender paint the first time. It looks really clean. Great job man, sounds like your getting really close.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 07, 2011, 13:24:34
I am riding it home Saturday, no matter what 8)
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Post by: jonnyTHUNDERmaker on Apr 07, 2011, 15:41:38
That's what I like to hear.  ;D Tomorrow I'm getting my tires and tubes put on then she will be ready for a serious road test. Hopefully only slight card tuning will follow that.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 07, 2011, 19:28:19
Today's pics

My battery box and pods

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6847.jpg)

Lovin' the glass fuel filters

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6849.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6851.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/IMG_6848.jpg)
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Post by: saywhat on Apr 07, 2011, 20:31:55
How much clearance is there between that battery box and the rear tire? It looks pretty close, especially if that tire expands at high speed...
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Post by: frogman on Apr 07, 2011, 20:35:41
She's a sexy beast for sure. :P  Where did you get the head light?
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 07, 2011, 20:48:26
She's a sexy beast for sure. :P  Where did you get the head light?

Good 'ol ebay, straight from China ::)
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 07, 2011, 20:49:20
How much clearance is there between that battery box and the rear tire? It looks pretty close, especially if that tire expands at high speed...

It's only about 3/4", we'll see how it goes
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 08, 2011, 17:36:53
I just rode around the block! That was exciting but she's not running too good yet. Kinda rough and stumbly, no idle
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 09, 2011, 11:25:44
So here are my plugs after riding it around the block and trying to get it to idle a bit. I wasn't expecting anything but what do the plug readers think.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4090027.jpg)


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Post by: CBdublin on Apr 09, 2011, 12:08:58
im no expert but with the idling issue and the way the plugs look that is classic rich to me. my jetting is a bit high and they look the same way. i think its more of the seals on the jets are old and dry for me though.
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Post by: frogman on Apr 09, 2011, 12:36:36
The right one is firing? Looks like it is not even running man that might be some of your issue.  You have to run the bike for a bit to get all the excess crap and oil and fuel and what not out of the system before doing a plug test.  Plug tests need to be done at a given LOADED RPM to test the various jets in the bike.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 09, 2011, 12:49:41
I just got new points this morning and my Hondaman box came yesterday. I'll install and readjust tonight, then I'll re-evaluate.
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Post by: cafePete on Apr 09, 2011, 13:10:36
Great stuff spot!
Awesome feeling and nice video too.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 09, 2011, 15:45:18
Thanks Pete, you can call me Scott.  :D
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Post by: DP9 on Apr 09, 2011, 20:27:01
how about a nice big write-up of the hondaman install?  im sure a couple guys (like me) would be interested to see whats involved.
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Post by: cafePete on Apr 09, 2011, 21:33:48
Thanks Pete, you can call me Scott.  :D

LOL
Scott it is!
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Post by: frogman on Apr 09, 2011, 21:38:11
Hondaman is easy, one of the older members on twins has a write up I can link if you haven't seen it. It's really simple as I can tell. I'm looking at doing the same once my cash flow comes back from building everything else.  :o
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Post by: DP9 on Apr 09, 2011, 21:40:19
Hondaman is easy, one of the older members on twins has a write up I can link if you haven't seen it. It's really simple as I can tell. I'm looking at doing the same once my cash flow comes back from building everything else.  :o


yes please on the link

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Post by: frogman on Apr 09, 2011, 22:51:00
http://home.comcast.net/~tbpmusic6/HondaMan%20Ignition%20Project.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~tbpmusic6/HondaMan%20Ignition%20Project.pdf)

The install is a simple unplug the coil/point wires plug in the Hondaman unit into the loop, add the ground and go. Very easy, this idea has been around for years ever since the transistorized ignition booster systems came out for cars and trucks with point systems.

If you're not a member over at hondatwins.net yet go do so and read up, they have the best collection of information for ALL the honda twin bikes that I have ever seen.  Plus several of the members are ex-Honda dealer mechanics so they know these bikes in and out and up and down. 
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 10, 2011, 14:26:23
Just went for my first real ride on the CB!! Wow that's a lot of vibrations, haha. Running good, but still needs some fine tuning.The Hondaman box is super easy, if you can pull and plug 5 wires you can do it. The toughest part is finding a place to secure it on a cafť.
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Post by: CBdublin on Apr 10, 2011, 22:18:54
Nice! rode my bike for about 15 miles today at 65... think my ass bone is still vibrating. Congratulations!
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 11, 2011, 18:34:42
I am getting a strange noise, at first I thought it was a pressure leak but I am thinking it may be a current leak. It's a very short squeaky Tsskq
Wondering if that could be my points arcing off??? I am going to silicone the cover and see if it helps.
Also how do people time with a timing light without making a huge mess? I was thinking of buying an extra stator cover and cutting a window in it.
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Post by: frogman on Apr 11, 2011, 20:20:05
The valve train in these engines are pretty noisy even if they are set up right.  Mine makes a very quiet ching-ching-ching noise while it runs, its just the cam chain banging on the camshaft or the tappets making noise. Just part of owning an old bike.  Mine also makes a high pitched vibration noise at certain RPMS and that is just the center stand rubbing on its stop when its folded up.

Time it statically and leave it alone, unless you want to check the advance. I static timed mine and then pulled out the gun and it was so close I didn't even mess with it further.  Put the bike on the center stand or brace it up right or lean it slightly to the right and it will stop dribbling oil everywhere.  It would be kinda neat to get a another cover and cut the center out and glue in some plexy glass or LEXAN so you can watch things spin.  ;D
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Post by: Sonreir on Apr 11, 2011, 20:25:46
The top ends of the 350s and 360s are a symphony of mechanical proportions...
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Post by: frogman on Apr 11, 2011, 21:36:53
The top ends of the 350s and 360s are a symphony of mechanical proportions...

HAHAHAHAAAA I LOVE that one ;D
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 12, 2011, 12:19:25
It's not a mechanical noise in my opinion, I siliconed the points cover but after thinking it couldn't be that with the Hondaman box there isn't even enough current to light the trouble light. I'll try to video it, problem is it's sporadic.

I have been looking around for a clear lexan stator cover, I think it would be cool and a clear points cover. You could always have some CNC machined and sell them I suppose.

http://youtu.be/ELAcxEizZJA (http://youtu.be/ELAcxEizZJA)
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 12, 2011, 12:23:59
Oh, I do have a tiny bit of oil in the points cover. Maybe the rocker sealing caps? I put a new cam seal in already during the build.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 12, 2011, 17:16:37
Here is my rear brake set up.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4120015.jpg)
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 12, 2011, 17:19:34
My attempt at a few glamor shots

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4120004.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4120007.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4120008.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4120009-1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4120010.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/CB360/P4120011.jpg)
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Post by: CBdublin on Apr 12, 2011, 20:02:25
beautiful job man... totally dig it
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Post by: JustinLonghorn on Apr 13, 2011, 09:05:49
Definitely a good looking scooter, man.
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Post by: crazypj on Apr 17, 2011, 02:11:47
I like your rear brake set up much better than the  flip arm/bent rod solution.
 It should work far better.
 I'm going to make a piece to do same on the quick build I'm doing now (needs to be ready by next Saturday for Mods and Rockers  8) )
 
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 18, 2011, 15:55:30
I like your rear brake set up much better than the  flip arm/bent rod solution.
 It should work far better.
 I'm going to make a piece to do same on the quick build I'm doing now (needs to be ready by next Saturday for Mods and Rockers  8) )

Thanks, I wasn't completely sold on the bent rod idea either. I just scrounged for a disposable 12mm box wrench, the type you get with furniture etc. and welded it to the stock bolt. Try to find a thick one if possible. You could also retain the stock rear brake light with my set-up but I cut/ground the tab off long before I did this. I still use the spacer but cut off the little hook/arm that actuated the switch.
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Post by: stonefab on Apr 18, 2011, 16:01:30
nice!
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 22, 2011, 17:11:02
I just did about 45 miles and it was tough and I found it tiring on the bumps, she's not refined like the VFR  ;D
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 23, 2011, 10:04:25
Got some new low profile grips on yesterday and that was much better.
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Post by: DP9 on Apr 23, 2011, 15:33:44
low-pro grips?  im confused, thinner handle bar grips made riding the bike better?
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 23, 2011, 17:28:25
yes, I had beston style and they were too big for my hands= fatigue and almost cramping from the bulbous shape. I got some gel superbike grips from ProGrip and am pretty happy now
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Post by: DP9 on Apr 24, 2011, 03:54:46
whoa, never even thought about that being a contributing factor to my bike being uncomfortable.   I always just thought i needed more wind to hold me up, laugh.  good to know.
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Post by: crazypj on Apr 24, 2011, 13:36:07
low-pro grips?  im confused, thinner handle bar grips made riding the bike better?

 Yep, I've always used 'thin' grips.
 The 'anti-vibratio ones make your hands and arms cramp, unless you have hands the size of a bunch of banana's  ;D
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Apr 29, 2011, 15:55:55
sooo nice outside , I wanna ride >:(
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Post by: DOB on May 04, 2011, 15:04:16
Where did you get that battery box?
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Post by: IndieSol on May 04, 2011, 16:42:25
Thanks, I wasn't completely sold on the bent rod idea either. I just scrounged for a disposable 12mm box wrench, the type you get with furniture etc. and welded it to the stock bolt. Try to find a thick one if possible. You could also retain the stock rear brake light with my set-up but I cut/ground the tab off long before I did this. I still use the spacer but cut off the little hook/arm that actuated the switch.

Very clever.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on May 06, 2011, 16:40:54
Where did you get that battery box?

Made it and welded it to the bracket from the original tool box, there's like 23 spot welds on that thing from the factory! :o
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Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2011, 22:56:06
Nice! rode my bike for about 15 miles today at 65... think my ass bone is still vibrating. Congratulations!

 Do you have rear-sets fitted?
 I did 60 miles today on 360 at dubious speeds (traffic sucks  ;) )
 I let a couple of people ride it as they have never tried rear-sets on 360.
 Both found them way more comfortable than expected (although clip-on bars were too low  ::) )
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Post by: SpottheDogg on May 12, 2011, 19:17:37
Are u asking me? I do have Tarozzi rear sets in the passenger holes.
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Jul 01, 2011, 01:08:06
I am loving the bike, not much reason to post up lately. Just riding it!

Cheers
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Post by: stript.714 o/c on Jul 03, 2011, 15:39:04
sweet good for you ride safe man ;D
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 28, 2011, 10:59:33
Where has the summer gone? Rode the CB all summer with no issues, just smokes a bit on cold start up.
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Post by: stript.714 o/c on Oct 28, 2011, 12:27:35
Time to strat a new project brother!
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Post by: SpottheDogg on Dec 18, 2011, 21:25:09
Kinda been toying with doing a Zoomer/Ruckus ;D
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: DP9 on Dec 19, 2011, 13:29:35
oh man, the 360 had too much motor for ya?  ;D

jokes aside, ive seen some really cool stuff done with the ruckus platform.  any parts they sell for it seem astronomically expensive, though.  I dont know that the dollar cost is worth the end result, but that goes back the small cc nature of the beast.  make a thread if you do it.  im sure they'll be a good amount of forum interest.
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 29, 2012, 17:21:40
Another great season riding this gem of a bike! I have no changes to report however thinking of upgrading to Mikuni's and a MAC 2 into 2 new exhaust. Not so happy with my current exhaust sound and carbs are working but I think new ones would be great.
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Jul 30, 2013, 15:36:12
I started another project bike   :o

It's a 1990 VTR 250 Interceptor that I will be using for on track only. Had it for three weeks and she's pretty much ready for my first test at a track day this Saturday!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/VTR250/E6DABBD5-F53A-4608-923C-683CCE994FDC-3019-00000349B615E0A9_zps1d12a82c.jpg)

http://vtr250.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1415
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: crazypj on Jul 31, 2013, 09:33:05
Great to know it's still running fine, very rarely see any feedback after a project is finished.
Haven't been inside a VTR250 for a long time (around 1985~86)
they need a lot of rpm to work
Handling was pretty good though from what I remember
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Jan 05, 2014, 09:45:41
We only had the VTR in NA from '88-90, bike works great, lots more zip than the 360(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/VTR250/D9E2A465-5E3A-436D-88B0-D716F0D0C463-1241-0000004806CF5368_zps07456111.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: crazypj on Jan 06, 2014, 00:28:02
Another great season riding this gem of a bike! I have no changes to report however thinking of upgrading to Mikuni's and a MAC 2 into 2 new exhaust. Not so happy with my current exhaust sound and carbs are working but I think new ones would be great.

Mikuni VM's need quite a lot of messing with to get working reasonable.
NONE of them are jetted correctly 'out of the box' although some sellers are better than others
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Jan 07, 2014, 20:01:30
I was considering the Dime City kit
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 15, 2014, 00:28:02
Mikuni VM's need quite a lot of messing with to get working reasonable.
NONE of them are jetted correctly 'out of the box' although some sellers are better than others

I need you to fix my stock carbs PJ!
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 17, 2014, 14:36:42
Boxed the carbs and mailed to FLA, I just want to ride this thing without dicking around.


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Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Mar 22, 2014, 12:06:02
I posted my bike on Kijiji for $4000 firm, not really serious about selling it. The next morning a guy asked when can I come get it? Damn. What to do. I don't have time to find and build a bike before riding season....I do have two other bikes..... Maybe I should let it go......
Title: Re: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: interceptor on Mar 22, 2014, 15:10:31
You could probably find a whole lot of bike for that kind of money.  Nice bike BTW. 
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Jul 21, 2014, 07:58:12
Here's a shot of me on the VTR from Saturday

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/VTR250/120db5493dafaad21628e3e3e72971d2_zpsa39f6292.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Jan 20, 2015, 16:07:00
New AirTech bodywork and paint scheme for 2015!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/spotthedogg/VTR250/4D58C755-D6BB-44FC-B909-A75B71A900F1_zpseqfh93rq.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: crazypj on Jan 20, 2015, 17:34:14
Looks like a real race bike  8)
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: Alex E on Jan 14, 2016, 14:04:08
Great job documenting progress on bike. Awesoem to read though, with pictures to match!
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 24, 2018, 18:23:58
Hello all, I have been absent here for quite a while as my passion has been for road racing lately. I havenít ridden the CB since 2015, and Iíve never finished setting up the Mikuni kit as I couldnít solder the throttle cable...

Anyway, for two years Iíve had the original front end from my VTR250 race bike hanging there tempting me to put it on my CB360. (In late 2016 I built a 1990 CB-1 front end with cartridges for the race bike.) I kept thinking I have 17Ē alloys from the VTR250 that could work, but I really think spoked 18ís are the best 🤔🤔🤔 Usually working on bikes is the only thing that calms my mind when I canít ride and today I needed a distraction. The front wheel came out of the CB and I grabbed a VTR rotor from the parts pile. Ok, I can make that fit easy enough, but what size axle is in the CB? Awesome, itís 15mm just like the VTR, so I grabbed the 250ís front end and put it in my work stand. The VTR250 axle went in the CB360 wheel without spacers, and I tightened the caps. The short of it is, it fits great and it looks great! It keeps the period look but goes from 31mm legs to 35mm and it will have awesome brakes with the single 310mm rotor. Also, internally the fork is well set up with springs and emulators. I raced with this fork for two and a half years. As far as fabrication goes, Iíll need two axles spacers, 4 holes drilled & tapped in the hub and Iíll probably have a bit of work with the steer tube. From there itís just a matter of reworking my dash layout and I may make a new upper triple because the VTR250 had a fuse box under a plastic cover up top. I am once again motivated to work on the old girl 😊

If youíd like to use this front end there is only one negative, they only offered it for one year 😞 1990, and itís hard to find.

Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: crazypj on Oct 24, 2018, 20:12:17
Nice. Probably lighter than original 33mm tubes as well, lot more was done on computers when VTR was made so uses thin-wall tubes, probably 3mm instead of 3/16"and more precise castings for sliders.
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 24, 2018, 20:21:57
Youíre right, thanks, they are 33mm  :)
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 24, 2018, 20:26:41
Nice. Probably lighter than original 33mm tubes as well, lot more was done on computers when VTR was made so uses thin-wall tubes, probably 3mm instead of 3/16"and more precise castings for sliders.

CrazyPJ, you probably know some specs on the CB360 steerer. When I put the CB-1 front end on my VTR250 I had to use the VTR steer tube, aparently the CB-1 had a very common Honda steerer where the VTR had an uncommon one. I still have the CB-1 steer tube and Iím hoping maybe I can just press that into my VTR250 triple if itís correct for the CB360. I can always remove the tube from my CB lower, but it would be nice to have a complete 360 front end. Maybe I can sell it 😊
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 25, 2018, 13:16:02
Ok, updates for anyone wanting to do this swap:
1. youíll need to space the caliper in, two spacers id, 8mm, od 18mm, L 7mm and get two M8x1.25 40mm long bolts.
2. you need to ovalize two of the six rotor bolt holes slightly to get the stock long bolts through. Then youíll want to drill four new holes based on the 6 bolt rotor pattern, tap them 8x1.25 and buy four bolts 15-20mm long.
3. youíll need two new axle spacers (this does not accommodate speedo drive) id 15mm, od 22mm, Length for right side 25mm, length for left side 21mm. You need to remove the VTR250 speedometer drive stop on the fork leg (or at least shorten it a couple mm).
4. You will need a steer tube donor.
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: crazypj on Oct 25, 2018, 15:15:00
CrazyPJ, you probably know some specs on the CB360 steerer. When I put the CB-1 front end on my VTR250 I had to use the VTR steer tube, aparently the CB-1 had a very common Honda steerer where the VTR had an uncommon one. I still have the CB-1 steer tube and Iím hoping maybe I can just press that into my VTR250 triple if itís correct for the CB360. I can always remove the tube from my CB lower, but it would be nice to have a complete 360 front end. Maybe I can sell it 😊
For alloy bottom yoke you need around 0.003"~0.004" interference fit for a press in stem. If it's forged steel, you can be a little looser but will need to weld it in. Are all steerer tubes steel? Swapping to 'standard Honda' bearing sizes is a real good idea
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 25, 2018, 21:44:27
I checked it out today, the CB uses the alternate length tube so I ground the weld off and pressed in the spare steer tube I had in my bin. Will have it welded in this week. Looks like I can probably use my CB360 fender with a little creativity.  :)
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 25, 2018, 22:01:10
Hereís a recent picture of me on the VTR250 and also the 1989 Hawk GT I just acquired in August.

Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 25, 2018, 22:02:36
Sorry, hereís the Hawk GT, it has RC30 bodywork. It has been a race bike for over twenty years, it works very well but Iíve be modding it further.
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: crazypj on Oct 26, 2018, 21:37:45
I heard cranks fail big time on the Hawk if you go over 80bhp? The offset crankpin shears although I couldn't find out if it was torque  or rpm causing it?
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Oct 26, 2018, 23:25:21
I believe itís extended high RPM, I am not over 75HP and our long straight is maybe 400m.
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Nov 01, 2018, 12:20:32
I finished the steer tube swap and slid it all together, one thing I hadnít measured was the fork length. The VTR250 forks are about 4.5Ē longer so they will be sticking above the upper clamp over 3Ē. I donít mind, but some may. I will use clip-ons mounted above the upper triple to reduce the odd factor.

Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: crazypj on Nov 01, 2018, 15:41:19
Easier than expected?
Title: Re: Scott's 1974 CB360 project- She is alive!!
Post by: SpottheDogg on Nov 01, 2018, 20:01:19
Well, I expected it to be pretty easy and it was.  :) One thing I forgot to mention this morning was that neither the VTR250 or CB360 steertube seems like it will work. I used one from a CB-1, which is the same as a lot of Honda bikes. I just happened to have one since I put a CB-1 front end on my VTR250.