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Title: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 07, 2012, 21:21:09
 Not really sure what direction this is going to take but I'll stick it here for now. Posted on my Zook thread I had a lead on another bike. A friend told me another old friends Dad (get all that?) had picked one up as a project but lost interest. Went over to his place tonight and checked it out. Turns out it's a '72 CB450... When I got there the roller frame was setting outside, a box of parts and the engine were inside, head and jugs are off the case, and pistons were gone. So for $20 (twenty!) I loaded her up and Bada-bing Bada-boom, I got another way to occupy my time.
 Story goes he got it from a guy who had tried to free up a stuck cylinder by pouring Pepsi in the spark plug hole and then let it set. Then sold it to the guy I got it from.
 Upon getting it, he started the disassembly and even sourced a NOS sleeve for the damaged cylinder. We had to go to his office to pick up the sleeve because it was on his desk being used as a pencil holder with the $45 price tag still on it from an area Honda Dealer. :)
 Amazing thing is the tires still had air, and the brakes were free so I easily rolled it right onto my truck and carried her home, unloaded it, took some pics and came in here to post.
Anyways, without further drivel... I present my latest project.
 
(http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/50053/2623818470026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2623818470026369651WrIrZs)
 
(http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/49352/2203008220026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2203008220026369651nUqldC)
 
(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/23807/2133646700026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2133646700026369651GtWMeM)
 
(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/19106/2847315270026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2847315270026369651NqEQWl)
 
16,000 miles and the last time she was plated was 20 years ago... or is it 30??? I honestly think it says 1982!
 
(http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/48425/2428426640026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2428426640026369651HerIlX)
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Rick1981 on Jan 07, 2012, 22:14:55
Looks like 92, I just picked up a CB550 today still wearing its tag from 89'.


With the name I take it you are in Indiana? I live SW of Indy.
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Staffy on Jan 08, 2012, 00:58:29
$20?  Bargain.
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 08, 2012, 05:36:27
Looks like 92, I just picked up a CB550 today still wearing its tag from 89'.


With the name I take it you are in Indiana? I live SW of Indy.
Welcome to the forum Rick! You are right, I went back out to the shop and it is 1992. And yes I am in Indiana, a little north of you Ohio / Michigan corner. You can click on a members name and it will take you to their Profile page, where you can see their location on the map (if they set it up). There are quite a few in your neck of the woods.
 
$20?  Bargain.
I thought so Staff, but we will see. Could turn out to be a hole that I pour a bunch of money into. No hurry, I think I'm going to savor this one... use it for therapy to keep my mind clear, definitely cheaper than a Shrink.
I'm really getting the Zen thing going on when I am in the middle of a build, then once it's finished I start Jones'n for the next one. ;)
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Staffy on Jan 08, 2012, 07:11:00
Could turn out to be a hole that I pour a bunch of money into. No hurry, I think I'm going to savor this one... use it for therapy to keep my mind clear, definitely cheaper than a Shrink.
I'm really getting the Zen thing going on when I am in the middle of a build, then once it's finished I start Jones'n for the next one. ;)

Aren't they all holes we pour money into?

And I can't believe you ain't jonesin' for a new project even when your halfway through the current one.  I know I am.  2 years into the Bastardwing and I've already got plans for the CX650 and I wanna do a hardtail bike too...
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 08, 2012, 07:39:11
You got that right! I seem to have got it bad... woke up at 4:00 am thinking about her... been out to the shop twice already... and it's only 6:30 !
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: interceptor on Jan 08, 2012, 10:01:08
You got that right! I seem to have got it bad... woke up at 4:00 am thinking about her... been out to the shop twice already... and it's only 6:30 !
Ha!  I do the same thing.  Except I work on my bikes at work, so I go into work around 4am.  Then I have to look at it all day while I'm at work.  It does make the time go by faster, but it does suck because it's within arms reach and I can't really touch it.  Good thing the guy I work with likes to talk about it with me.  He always asks what I'm going to do next and shows interest.
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Cafe Redneck on Jan 08, 2012, 10:18:46
 The miracle you performed on the Suki, this should be no problem for you. Looking forward to the build Hdaddy.
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Deviant1 on Jan 08, 2012, 10:41:17
First of all Hoosier I'm not sure when you went to that avatar (I'm slightly unobservant) but I freakin love it.
Second, what a score! I love a good 450. Just a great looking motor and a nice clean frame. I'm sure you'll do great things with her. I understand the projectitis, I've got a severe case myself. I've got four now. Dolores is sitting in a state of near completion waiting on me to get some non bike projects done. Then my Goldwing, then my cb350, then the rebel bob. And now you've got me itching for a 450. Any more detail on tentative plans? I love the exhaust on the powder coat or polish 450 that zonda did, especially the use of the early cb750 exhaust shields, I've wondered why no one else has tried this as it just looked like it belonged there. Anyway I can't wait to see where you go with this one dude.
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 08, 2012, 11:23:08
Thanks guys we will see if I can pull a rabbit out of my ass on this one. Deviant1 you made me chuckle.
 Went out to the shop, started clearing off bench space, As I unpacked the one and only box that came with this one... no carbs damnit. I am going to go back and ask it the PO has them... since he got it from some other schmuck, who knows.
 But with all the stuff missing, who would have thought this would be there?
 
(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/48315/2506565640026369651S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2506565640026369651CUVAfD)
 
Friggin full tool kit still in the pouch inside the can... amazing. I'll probably clean it up and list it on e-bay for the purists. Engine seems complete. But that cylinder sleeve, even tough labeled for a 450 isn't for this 450, top flange is much too small compared to what mine look like. Oh well, another thing to e-bay I guess. It might do pretty well being a mint NOS 450 sleeve especially if I determine what years it fits.
 I had turned on the tunes while I was out there and when Motorhead came on the i-pod, it hit me like a ton-o-bricks...so sticking with my theme,
Shut up, you talk too loud!
You don't fit in with the crowd.
No Class!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJ5dtF6X4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJ5dtF6X4I)
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: 1976cb356 on Jan 08, 2012, 12:40:56
$20,  I wish stuff like this would happen to me. Good luck man
 
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: peteGS on Jan 08, 2012, 15:54:39
$20 hey? Ok let's see what you can do with this one ;)
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: Staffy on Jan 08, 2012, 16:35:28
Another Motorhead bike?  Hahahahahahaha!!!!  Crackup.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 08, 2012, 18:13:56
 
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc67/meriden4ever/0b73_1.jpg)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Staffy on Jan 09, 2012, 06:08:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAz4nPNvLI
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: CrescentSon on Jan 09, 2012, 07:07:42
I think we all know that this will turn into a $2000 "$20 bike". If anyone can do it...
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Staffy on Jan 09, 2012, 08:16:07
So, my challenge to you is to include some sort of homage to the great Lemmy on this bike.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Deviant1 on Jan 09, 2012, 13:09:11
A nice challenge... Easily accomplished with a DTT spade somewhere. Just a single one as in the ace of...
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 09, 2012, 13:34:18
Piece-o-cake! we have a vinyl plotter here at work that I did the logo's on BOMBER with...
 
Sure the Ace of spades would be nice like this...
 
(http://images.oneposter.gscontent.net/product/24708-1-400x400.jpg)
 
 
But I would like try to duplicate the Warpig.
 
(http://www.nevermindthebuzzkills.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/motorhead-logo.jpg)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Jan 09, 2012, 15:41:22
Piece-o-cake! we have a vinyl plotter here at work that I did the logo's on BOMBER with...
 
Sure the Ace of spades would be nice like this...
 
(http://images.oneposter.gscontent.net/product/24708-1-400x400.jpg)
 
 
But I would like try to duplicate the Warpig.
 
(http://www.nevermindthebuzzkills.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/motorhead-logo.jpg)

If you were gonna go street fighter that'd make a nice headlight cowling... of course you'd have to get some fluffy foam version to stick over your helmet to match...  8)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Staffy on Jan 09, 2012, 16:47:43
You could go all out and get an cover the thing in motorhead stuff and make it a rolling tribute ;)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Deviant1 on Jan 09, 2012, 21:57:26
Empty jack Daniels bottle fuel reserve perhaps?
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 09, 2012, 22:11:00
You know what this thing needs? A gas tank! And a whole lot of TLC.......

Kidding Hoosier. That's a helluva bike for $20!
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 11, 2012, 13:18:07
You know what this thing needs? A gas tank! And a whole lot of TLC.......

Kidding Hoosier. That's a helluva bike for $20!
To let the others in on the joke, I contacted Big Rich to see if he still had his tank for one. I  need to check the dimensions you gave me... But I did spend a little time on her.
 
(http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/46956/2679220780026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2679220780026369651NPRfGk)
 
(http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/50013/2591777400026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2591777400026369651gsbmJB)
 
Now we are starting to look like something good! ;)
Ahhh, the joys of shopping for parts for a blank canvas, the possibilities are endless.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: xulf13 on Jan 11, 2012, 13:24:24
You of all people should make this bike all it deserves to be.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 11, 2012, 22:04:52
I was being serious - it does need a tank. :D

And remember Hoosier, I have a 500F tank as well. It's a little larger( from memory) but would look better on a bobber -ish style bike IMO.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Jan 12, 2012, 07:58:49
Look at those bars... they scream tracker... wire wheels, tracker bars... some dual sport tyres are in order for a dirty CB I feel :D
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 12, 2012, 13:06:45
Ohhhh. you know, I hadn't thought of that with THIS one... you ever visited Omar's web sight? Pretty cool tracker stuff there. http://omarsdtr.com/streetmain.html (http://omarsdtr.com/streetmain.html) Just a little rich for my blood...
 
 
 
(http://omarsdtr.com/stIIcallout.jpg)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Jan 12, 2012, 15:36:29
Ohhhh. you know, I hadn't thought of that with THIS one... you ever visited Omar's web sight? Pretty cool tracker stuff there. http://omarsdtr.com/streetmain.html (http://omarsdtr.com/streetmain.html) Just a little rich for my blood...
 
 
 
(http://omarsdtr.com/stIIcallout.jpg)

Yeah lots of cool stuff for sure... but you could make most of that yourself ;)
 
I'm going to have to check out those fork guards though, I'm paranoid about scratching up the paint on the scrambler!
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 14, 2012, 06:38:13
Ohhhhh Yessssss... Gotta love Spider-mans Bonita Applebum DTT LINKY (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=8998)
 
 
(http://modernmoto.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/honda_cb_450_cafe.jpg)
 
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/jpg/201104/honda-cb450-cafe-rac-4w.jpg)
 
 http://vimeo.com/21274656 (http://vimeo.com/21274656)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: joeybaggadonuts on Jan 14, 2012, 15:16:37
I'm signin up! I looked through your past builds and you have some great work
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 17, 2012, 07:22:13
xulf13 and Joey... you're too kind, lets see how this one goes.
BigR... I am undecided on the shape of the stock tank, going to go check out a Mates 450 he built to see how it looks in person.
 But I did get to spend some time on her yesterday.
(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/48381/2020350490026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2020350490026369651iMjCMK)
 
As you can see, just using stripper on the frame isn't going to get rid of the rust so I need to figure out how I am going to sand blast it in the middle of the winter.
I cleaned up the wheels a little and there is a setion on the rear rim that is rusted , not bad but enough that chrome wheels are out of the question, plus the spokes need some attention. The hubs on both look great. So I am thinking black rims with polished hubs.
Title: Re: My CB450 Here we go again!
Post by: warnereg on Jan 17, 2012, 09:30:23
$20,  I wish stuff like this would happen to me. Good luck man

If you ever find yourself in a barn or maybe even a field, keep your eyes open, I spotted one in a friends barn and jumped on it before it could get away, for $50. Sold the rockers in perfect condition for 60 and called it a good day.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: timfish on Jan 19, 2012, 19:17:32
 
just slipping back into the motorhead theme again, i saw them live in 79, Lancaster uni. bomber tour absolutly awesome gig.my ears were ringing for days after.picture this a 17 year old me stood in the bar waiting for the gig to start and the three of them walked in ,stood 6 foot away.me and my mate wanted to go and have a crack but they were talking to some satan slaves so we stayed put.  ahhh memorys... sory to but in on your excelent build stories, i'mm loving them. spent the last two nights going through your back catalogue of builds..who needs cafe racer tv?
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 19, 2012, 21:09:11
Thanks for tuning in timfish!
AWESOME story, altough I have been listening to them since the early eighties, and have about 10 of their albums... I have only been able to see them once, probably about 84 in a bar called Harpo's in Detroit. They were scheduled to perform close to Home about 10 years ago but they canceled about a week before.
 Updates on this build might be rather slow as she needs to most amount of help any of my other bikes have. But that just means more fleability in the build. ;)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Jan 20, 2012, 17:15:51
So Mr Hoosier... do you have a direction for her yet? I still vote dirty her up if you haven't decided...
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 21, 2012, 09:03:16
LOL... Never say Die Pete! However the Excel spreadsheet list of parts is leaning towards the Cafe'. Honestly I have been focusing on the needed engine parts. Jugs, pistons, rings, carbs, gasket set as thing to buy first. And thanks to you, I am leaning towards the higher CL style of pipes after drooling over yours for so long. ;)
 
I am in process of depleting my bike funds by clinching a long term deal with another member on TheGSResources for a GS1100 aluminum swingarm for the Zook "Overkill!"  8) . Then I will start saving up for this bikes parts. Lots to do in the meantime.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: warnereg on Jan 21, 2012, 14:57:13

 

Quote
(http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/48425/2428426640026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2428426640026369651HerIlX)

looks like 1882, LOL!
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Jan 21, 2012, 17:04:22
LOL... Never say Die Pete! However the Excel spreadsheet list of parts is leaning towards the Cafe'. Honestly I have been focusing on the needed engine parts. Jugs, pistons, rings, carbs, gasket set as thing to buy first. And thanks to you, I am leaning towards the higher CL style of pipes after drooling over yours for so long. ;)
 
I am in process of depleting my bike funds by clinching a long term deal with another member on TheGSResources for a GS1100 aluminum swingarm for the Zook "Overkill!"  8) . Then I will start saving up for this bikes parts. Lots to do in the meantime.

Haha oh well I can only try right? ;) Love your work so it will be a good deal either way :D
 
Trust me when I say if you do those CL pipes you will love it... as you've seen there's just something about that style that is just awesome... I still catch myself gazing at mine! Hahaha :D
 
Sounds like the GS is still getting more love which is nice to see too :D
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 21, 2012, 21:45:36

Sounds like the GS is still getting more love which is nice to see too :D
Oh yeah... more to come on the GS. ;)
 
As far as the new CB goes, I took a que from you and cleaned off a bench. LOL!
I actually have been working on getting my engine bench back into action and hefted the 450 lump onto it. Got the screwdrivers, impact driver, and hammer selection out and went into action.
 
(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/50139/2391354090026369651S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2391354090026369651dbqySm)
 
(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/46550/2477264320026369651S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2477264320026369651GXylRe) 
(http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/42890/2352203450026369651S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2352203450026369651AfYDZZ)
 
(http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/49029/2463445760026369651S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2463445760026369651vwiEHd)
 
(http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/30622/2315906410026369651S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2315906410026369651PScepQ)
 
She's not too rough inside... but seems to had sat with the jugs off for longer than I thought. It does spin freely, but I am definately going to split the case halves on this one. Good news is I was able to remove each cover without so much as one broken screw. I had to use the impact driver on almost every one, heat a couple, and one in particular up by the starter nose had me really worried, but it finally came loose.
 Hopefully it won't be long until we look back at these and say "Awe, remember when..."
 ;)
 
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 22, 2012, 11:37:15
So after SEVERAL hours of searching build threads on CB450's I found my current inspiration in p71sohc post of a CR450 that was at a shop where he took his 450...
 
as promised here is that cool track bike.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pj7c_PD-LXw/TXafFhBlGMI/AAAAAAAABX4/7bnVOjhRVLY/s800/2011-03-08_16-07-30_415.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/usr9MlxrxQPQi2Da86tnfg?feat=embedwebsite)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_pj7c_PD-LXw/TXafWvfCeII/AAAAAAAABYA/g4Tr6sDXXIc/s800/2011-03-08_16-07-46_254.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/B-A45P_PQORkNm3CICI5WQ?feat=embedwebsite)

So that lead to another search of CR450 images. Found Airtech makes a repo tank and seat, but by the time you add $100 to the order for the race tank epoxy coated for street fuel, to me that is BIG MONEY! Also not big on a full fairing but looky these!
 
(http://www.nwracing.no/img/DSC00420.jpg)
 
(http://www.teamhansenhonda.com/graphics/japan_cr450.jpg)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Jan 22, 2012, 16:03:26
Mate good stuff, a clean bench is so helpful right? And glad you found your inspiration :D
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 27, 2012, 13:54:11
 Last night I started the disassembly of the head. Very interesting design on these engines!
I noticed there were no shims on the intake cam on either side, first cam follower on that end looked perfect! The second a little worn. Then moved onto the exhaust side, two shims, one on each end of that cam. The followers there looked more worn with one being pretty dished. The cam lobes however didn't appear too bad, the one that had the worst follower a lttle worn perhaps, but not galled at all. Guess I need to break out the mics and verify the service limits... ::)   So for now everything is carefully bagged-n-tagged per assembley and per side. Next comes removing the valves and checking the seats and guides. Going to clean up the combustion chambers as much as possible before removing the valves so as to not nic the seats.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 27, 2012, 21:08:48
Those CR's are some sexy machines........

I know a couple people did it, but what about extending the rear of a steel tank with glass?  Would give the look of a CR tank but give you a space to hide electronics and stuff.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Jan 27, 2012, 21:27:31
You mean like a false tail on the stock tank to hide the electronics in?
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 27, 2012, 21:35:22
Yep. I think Bradswn did it with fiberglass and Sean at RocCity did it with aluminum (of course).
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Feb 05, 2012, 07:12:57
 Hit a major snag with this build. One of the PO's must have left it outside with the jugs off because the engine appears to have set half full of water. There is a definate rust line from about 1/2 way down on the Primary gears behind the oil filter and the clutch housing. The clutch pack was one solid mass of rust. and the oil pump is siezed. The rust line passed JUST below the side bearing for the Crank but then into the lowest section of the bearing for the Trans, That bearing being shot doesn't worry me as much as now I know in made it's way INSIDE.
 
(http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/47927/2544707770026369651S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2544707770026369651beGDWF)
 
 I'm still trying to find a 16mm fine thread bolt that I can use to pull the charging systems rotor off the crank to continue with the disassembly of the engine, but I just know everything inside is probably rusted. So it is either going to be a LOOOOOONG term project or get parted out. Not going to do anything rash just yet. I am keeping my eyes open for another engine. But then, the fork tubes on this one are friggin toast and for the price of those to items alone, I'd be ahead to buy a different bike. Hopefully another 450 comes along that I can snag it up cheap, get what I need and sell off the rest to try and make one out of two... Ahhhh the joys of old bike builds.  ;D
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Feb 06, 2012, 07:27:53
Bugger on the rust! However if you part her out you could always make the next 450 a GS ;)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: frogman on Feb 06, 2012, 09:54:06
You should see the carnage I found in mine HD, It's messed up enough I went looking for another bottom end practically. To go with the newer TOP end.  ;D

On getting the rotor off, an axle from another bike may work, I used the axle off my 360 to get it off. Might look into it... ;)

If you part it out lemme know, I'll prolly get a bunch of stuff from ya.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Feb 06, 2012, 15:40:36
Just be careful if you improvise a slide hammer with an axle and a sledgehammer head like I did...
 
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/starpoint73/General/Gross/6554938f.jpg)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Cafe Redneck on Feb 07, 2012, 19:05:40
If I've told you once, I've told you a 100 times. Use the right tool for the job ;D. Ouch!!! I feel your pain.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Feb 08, 2012, 07:36:03
If I've told you once, I've told you a 100 times. Use the right tool for the job ;D . Ouch!!! I feel your pain.


Hahahaha yeah... that's what you get when you give it "one more shot for good luck"... I'm sure my thumb will be normal again one day...  ::)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Feb 10, 2012, 13:00:30
That finger makes me cringe everytime I see it.
 - Haven't given up on the engine yet, but if I do part it out I will keep ALL the DTTers aware as I know some of the items are getting to be "not so common".
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Feb 10, 2012, 17:00:26
That finger makes me cringe everytime I see it.
 - Haven't given up on the engine yet, but if I do part it out I will keep ALL the DTTers aware as I know some of the items are getting to be "not so common".

It's my "constant reminder" when I'm doing stuff like that HD... just have to rub my finger over the ball of my thumb to remember... hahaha
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Feb 23, 2012, 21:22:20
Just an update to explain why there has been no updates.
I have been working 6-7 day weeks due to Corporate pulling 6 presses out of my workplace. I am the Maintenance Supervisor and not only oversee my Department but also outside contractors involved with the moves. Not only is there 65-70 hour weeks... and I am salary... but the underlying fear they may be planning to close my Plant..
4 weeks ago my other Hobby took a bad turn. I am a fish keeper and the heater stuck "on" in my 180 gallon aquarium. Killing ALL of my prized Mbuna (Google it). So after flushing about 45 half cooked fish, and cleaning a dead tank, then restocking... the new fish broke out with a case of Ich! (Google it).
My Wifey has been cooking all my favorite meals trying to get me out of the depression (bless her heart) but nothing seems to make it better. So tonight I said "ef-it" and decided I need some shop time... Bought a 40, turned on th tunes and had at it.
Got the head studs out by double nutting the studs without incident and then separated the case haves on the engine.
RUST! everything is covered with RUST!!!
 I swear when it rains it pours. I plan to continue my search for a good donor bike for this project. And felt pretty good to get back at it, even with yet another setback.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: DrJ on Feb 23, 2012, 21:28:37
I'm still trying to find a 16mm fine thread bolt that I can use to pull the charging systems rotor off the crank to continue with the disassembly of the engine, but I just know everything inside is probably rusted.

Not necessary to remove rotor from crank to split the cases.
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Feb 23, 2012, 21:30:40
Yep... figured that out. Thanks!
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: peteGS on Feb 24, 2012, 16:30:34
Just an update to explain why there has been no updates.
I have been working 6-7 day weeks due to Corporate pulling 6 presses out of my workplace. I am the Maintenance Supervisor and not only oversee my Department but also outside contractors involved with the moves. Not only is there 65-70 hour weeks... and I am salary... but the underlying fear they may be planning to close my Plant..
4 weeks ago my other Hobby took a bad turn. I am a fish keeper and the heater stuck "on" in my 180 gallon aquarium. Killing ALL of my prized Mbuna (Google it). So after flushing about 45 half cooked fish, and cleaning a dead tank, then restocking... the new fish broke out with a case of Ich! (Google it).
My Wifey has been cooking all my favorite meals trying to get me out of the depression (bless her heart) but nothing seems to make it better. So tonight I said "ef-it" and decided I need some shop time... Bought a 40, turned on th tunes and had at it.
Got the head studs out by double nutting the studs without incident and then separated the case haves on the engine.
RUST! everything is covered with RUST!!!
 I swear when it rains it pours. I plan to continue my search for a good donor bike for this project. And felt pretty good to get back at it, even with yet another setback.

Wow when it rains it really does pour right? I live by O'Rielly's law...
 
Very sucky but things do tend to sort themselves out... so hopefully all will either return to normal or morph into something awesome very soon :D
 
Fingers crossed you'll find yourself a donor parts bike or engine soon and can get moving right along...
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Big Rich on Feb 25, 2012, 16:27:58
Bad news for sure Hoosier. Hopefully those changes at work are nothing too drastic........

Isn't there some kind of treatment for that Ich? I read into it a long time ago and thought it could either way (destructive or a slight nuisance).

And I think I recall seeing a 450 local to me (Pittsburgh) on craigs........parts only, no title, etc. Interested?
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: OpTiCz on Feb 25, 2012, 16:35:46
Sucks man.
You need a reef controller with temp probe :/

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Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Feb 26, 2012, 07:23:38
You guys are awesome.... I do feel better already.
 
 
Isn't there some kind of treatment for that Ich? I read into it a long time ago and thought it could either way (destructive or a slight nuisance).

Yeah, Ich lives on that Host for about 5 days during that time you can't kill it. Then it falls off and lives the rest of its life in the gravel, you can kill it with Copper Sulfate while it is free living. Raising the heat in the tank shortens their life cycle and at above 87 they can't reproduce ... so now it's a waiting game.
 
Sucks man.
You need a reef controller with temp probe :/

I went with two smaller 250W heaters up in the tank that I can see their indicator lights instead of one big 500W titainium unit hidden down in the sump. Figure if one of these two fail in the future I will know it AND have more time to react.
 
 Fish are looking much better so I am on the uphill swing there.  ;D
 
And I think I recall seeing a 450 local to me (Pittsburgh) on craigs........parts only, no title, etc. Interested?


I am going to continue with the disassembly and clean-up, sort it out, list what I need using your whiteboard method Pete. Then shelve it for a while, keep my eyes open here locally and pick up parts from the list as they become available cheap. I knew this was going to be a long term project when I got it... Christ, it was only $20!
 
So in the mean time... LINKY (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=34348)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Griff5268 on Apr 04, 2012, 00:24:41
I'm jumped around to 4 of the damn 7 pages of this build trying to see if u had an update since the rust but I'm confused. It was easier to hit relpy than go through the other 3 pages..lol. Any update on her? ALways wanted to find one of these parts bin specials actually..
 
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on Apr 04, 2012, 07:06:29
Well not much... I was able to get the engine completely disassembled, every bearing will need replaced. I took all the trans gears from the shafts and cleaned each piece, one by one, on a wire wheel. I then dipped each part in oil and reassembled, wrapped in a shop towel and boxed it away.
 I am still watching for another donor bike or better put, a bike to pick up and use this one for the donor.  ;)
Title: Re: My CB450 "No Class!" (Here we go again)
Post by: SilkySmooth750 on Jun 29, 2012, 20:39:54
HD:  The CB450 is my absolute favorite bike.  The Bonita Apllebaum 450 by Spider-man is actually how I found this site in the first place, I read his entire project post in one day because I was so interested in the build.  I never actually got closure on if that thing actually ran and worked, but the video does show him riding it.  I learned a lot from his build.  I'll keep my fingers crossed on this one for you and hope some day you'll be able to turn this one into a true Cafe Racer.  I'll keep my eyes open at Bob's here in Phoenix too for anything that might work for your 450 since rust is pretty much non existant in Arizona, even if you leave the motor sitting in the bottom of a pool!