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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Sidecars => Topic started by: JohnGoFast on Aug 27, 2012, 10:56:34

Title: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Aug 27, 2012, 10:56:34
Picked up a Dnepr this weekend after a 4 hour drive.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_2293.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_2291.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_2292.jpg)

At the moment it appears to be a bit of a mix. The frame has a green under coating and the tag indicates a MT-9 model, the side car has a red undercoating and is tagged as a K750 model, the engine is a 750 flathead, so will have to do some research to propperly identify.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: BarnBurner on Aug 27, 2012, 11:24:47
I'm down - this thing looks wicked! Love the thread name too.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Tim on Aug 27, 2012, 11:41:59
Should be awesome - looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Captmilk76 on Aug 27, 2012, 11:44:45
I'm in too! Can't wait to see what you come up with.

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Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Aug 27, 2012, 11:46:40
I am on board, sir.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: jay_kent on Aug 27, 2012, 12:45:32
signed on
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Aug 27, 2012, 13:26:14
Signing up, love a good sidecar rigg.  They cruise all day long at 55-60 MPH and that feels fast as hell on these old girls!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Aug 28, 2012, 00:10:24
Here are some pics after I got it home. I decided to spray 2 cans of PB Blaster on everything and let it soak in until tomorrow. Then I will start the official tear down.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/dnepr82512-1.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/dnepr82512-2.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/dnepr82512-3.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/dnepr82512-4.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/Picture002.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: AJWatUC on Aug 28, 2012, 20:34:42
That's awesome can't wait to see it when it's done
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Jewbacca on Aug 28, 2012, 20:41:58
This thing bleeds so much awesomeness...
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: luckyramu on Aug 29, 2012, 00:40:16
Well, I must admit I had to wiki Dnepr.  Sounds like you cleaned house with the trade (remind me not to horsetrade with you) and you have the bones of a great project.  Keep posting!
Title: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: makotosun on Aug 29, 2012, 01:00:40
Great project!


Posted from my iPhone from the field! :)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Aug 29, 2012, 01:02:35
Yeah it really was a no-brainer trade.

Working on the Dnepr right now. I won't be going with a completely stock look on surface coatings and would love any suggestions.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: goochwarmer on Aug 29, 2012, 01:12:58
Oh Yeah...I'll be watching this one!!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 17, 2012, 04:16:49
Sold some of my "keeper" bikes last week to fund this project and clear some room in the shop. Spent a few hours picking up the shop tonight (many more needed) and managed to pull the some parts off,  including the pipes and motor.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120917_005421.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120917_005338.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120917_005304.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 17, 2012, 10:50:47
On that note, I've sold the last Suzuki T series bike I have, so if anyone needs T250 or T350 parts let me know, I am ready to part with them and have more than a ton, including some NOS in the package parts.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: LazloH on Sep 17, 2012, 11:35:46
How about TS90 parts?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 17, 2012, 12:19:05
How about TS90 parts?
Nope, only TS I have is a stock handlebar.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Kanticoy on Sep 17, 2012, 13:00:50
Jon bike it's looking great. I am building a t250/350 and could definitely use some rebuild goodies. Crank seals, etc....just let me know!

Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 17, 2012, 13:14:51
Jon bike it's looking great. I am building a t250/350 and could definitely use some rebuild goodies. Crank seals, etc....just let me know!

Let me see what I can get together, I'm sure I have a mess of NOS gaskets and seals you could have.
Title: Re: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Kanticoy on Sep 17, 2012, 13:30:28
Let me see what I can get together, I'm sure I have a mess of NOS gaskets and seals you could have.


awesome! Just let me know dude.

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Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 19, 2012, 10:32:03
Small progress, and documenting..

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120918_213829_zpsb94bc2b3.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120918_212650_zps754cf1c4.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120918_215057_zps84ca6ab0.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120918_215120_zps2b920f69.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120918_220805_zps730c7b2f.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120918_220817_zps422a0135.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120918_220828_zps68c264fe.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: NDG on Sep 19, 2012, 11:14:03
My word, that thing is awesome! What year? Love the sidecar! Does it really only have 2,700 miles, or did I read that wrong?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 19, 2012, 13:22:50
Well, the speedo has 2700 on it. The motor and the car is between 1958 and 1963, the rest is somewhere in the late 70's early 80's. Most of the parts between the models were interchangable for 30 years.

Internals looked really good, I can't even see any wearing in the cylinders. Top end can be upgraded and will be replaced along with seals, gaskets, and bearings.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Sep 19, 2012, 13:42:46
Rad.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 22, 2012, 20:03:01
Another late night.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120922_011608_zps62963d20.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120922_011713_zpsd457e2b1.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120922_011641_zps2ce93c20.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120922_011613_zpsfa0f4802.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: john83 on Sep 22, 2012, 21:51:24
Pretty awesome!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 25, 2012, 13:22:39
I will be sending fasteners and a few bits from a full restor project to Burbank Plating in California to be Zinc or Cadmium plated. The minimum order is $150 and two or three motorcycles wouldn't even bump up the price from the quantity I have. If someone wants to get some fasteners replated, they could ship them to me in a flat rate USPS box for under $10 and go in $60 on the plating and return shipping.. I'll be doing this about before the end of October and they will be back in less than two weeks. (5 days last time I used them)

http://burbankplating.com/
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: buzznichols on Sep 25, 2012, 14:24:17
I will be sending fasteners and a few bits from a full restor project to Burbank Plating in California to be Zinc or Cadmium plated. The minimum order is $150 and two or three motorcycles wouldn't even bump up the price from the quantity I have. If someone wants to get some fasteners replated, they could ship them to me in a flat rate USPS box for under $10 and go in $60 on the plating and return shipping.. I'll be doing this about before the end of October and they will be back in less than a week. (5 days last time I used them)

http://burbankplating.com/

Man, what a great idea!  This kind of thing might be a good idea for an ongoing thread, so all the DTT folk can cash in on group rates on plating.  Unfortunately, I'm not ready at the moment to jump in, but when I do, I'm definitely going to follow your lead and use the "buddy system."

Beautiful machine; I'll be watching closely.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 25, 2012, 14:30:37
Yeah, I just thought it was a waste last time I did plating and had 1/4 of the weight/size that's starts to change the pricing above the minimum. I've even saved a ton of fasterns from bikes that I parted over the last two years just to have them replated and keep some stock or backups..
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 26, 2012, 02:15:26
More teardown.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120925_224413.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120925_224547.jpg)

Found these in a fender and a wheel:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120925_224213.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: MickyC on Sep 26, 2012, 04:48:34
Petrified honey hahaha awesome build this will be great
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 26, 2012, 10:45:08
I sure can't decide what way to go on some of the paint and coatings..

Some inspiration:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/harley-davidson-sidecar.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/harley-davidson-sidecar-4.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/harley-davidson-sidecar-2.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/2015_l.jpg)

I have a symbol for my name that I have always used on my artwork, it will probably make its first appearance on a bike with this project.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 27, 2012, 03:19:14
More:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120926_235003.jpg)

Front axle is giving me grief, not at all rusty, tried PB Blaster, heat, impact, even broke a driver..
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Sep 27, 2012, 09:38:05
She's a dirty girl.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 27, 2012, 09:55:56
She sure is, she's been abused, she's been in a lot of mens hands, well traveled, lost her heart and had it replaced. She deserves a good new life and a warm garage.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Sep 27, 2012, 10:04:27
She does indeed, my man.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: shamus on Sep 27, 2012, 10:20:24
How do you pronounce "Dnepr"anyway?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: shamus on Sep 27, 2012, 10:23:22
Let me guess, "In soviet Russia, Dnepr pronounces you."
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Erskine on Sep 27, 2012, 10:47:36
dunno how this snuck under my radar, probs as it is in restorations and I rarely look in here.
Bloody brilliant. Subscribed , popcorn, beer and comfy chair :)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 27, 2012, 10:57:59
Neipr, dneipr, dnepr are all river in Russian. Pronounced Din-Yeep-PuRR, OR Nee-PURR. Or so I'm told...
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 27, 2012, 10:58:56
dunno how this snuck under my radar, probs as it is in restorations and I rarely look in here.
Bloody brilliant. Subscribed , popcorn, beer and comfy chair :)

Thanks, its a fun one, I feel really privledged to rebuild it.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Erskine on Sep 27, 2012, 15:56:38
So is it time to ask Tim for an Outfits section? There's this, and Beachcombers, and the nights are nearly drawn in enough for me to embark on mine ....... ?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 27, 2012, 17:22:14
TIM!

TIM! Can you hear us? :)
Pretty please, with sugar on top..
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Erskine on Sep 27, 2012, 18:08:32
I've sent him a 'special' request for one!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Tim on Sep 27, 2012, 18:18:58
:D
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: MotorbikeBruno on Sep 27, 2012, 18:33:39
Let me guess, "In soviet Russia, Dnepr pronounces you."

This. Is hilarious.

Keep up the good work, I loves me a bike with a sidecar/hack...
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 27, 2012, 18:38:09
Thanx a bunch Tim ............................ you could always hitch a third wheel for Bonneville   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 27, 2012, 18:38:53
Nahhhhh - THIS is the sidecar of Death !!

 (http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/img185.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 27, 2012, 19:47:22
Thanks Tim! Can you move this over?

And I guess I was wrong, that does look like The Sidecar of Death! Maybe I shall rename it "Monkey Killer".
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 27, 2012, 19:54:50
Starting on some assemblies:

Headlight/speedo bucket. Bezel and other chrome will be brass plated.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120927_154954.jpg)

Horn cover cleaned up a bit, will be brass plated.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120927_161328.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120927_155020.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120927_155013.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20120927_155004.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 28, 2012, 05:30:56
What's your experience with Brass plating ?

Do you think it would stand up to exhaust pipe use ?
Title: Re: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 28, 2012, 10:47:02
What's your experience with Brass plating ?

Do you think it would stand up to exhaust pipe use ?

I've had a few things brass plated in the past and it definitely requires sealing. I have no experience with brass plating and heat aplications and would also like to know.

Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 28, 2012, 13:09:58
Almost have the frames stripped down, will be cleaning up some of the welds and splatter from the factory. Frame will be painted when the fenders and car are painted. The fenders and sidecar require quite a bit of dent repair and body work. I also need to figure out anything else I will be mounting on the car and make holes or bracket now. Suggestions? So far I know that I will be mounting a fuel can and tool box.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: beachcomber on Sep 29, 2012, 08:42:39
Actually THIS could be the "Sidecar of Death" !!!!

Even now I feel Erskine looking in his sheds for an old Moped  8)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/thCATAR0PR.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Erskine on Sep 29, 2012, 12:46:03
Damn it that 'ped is too cool for school!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 29, 2012, 13:08:03
Nice!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: timbutterfield on Sep 30, 2012, 18:46:57
Sweet project! Subscribed!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Oct 04, 2012, 20:20:12
Does it have reverse gear?
 You can skim the heads all the way to 0.040" piston clearance and put a cam in that lifts the valves until they touch head pockets
Sidevalves are just so much fun to mess with  ;D ;) 8)
Isn't stock CR around 4.8:1?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Oct 04, 2012, 20:21:20
Actually THIS could be the "Sidecar of Death" !!!!

Even now I feel Erskine looking in his sheds for an old Moped  8)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc472/manfredvonheyda/thCATAR0PR.jpg)

 Is that a 2 speed NSU 'Quickly'?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: beachcomber on Oct 05, 2012, 05:40:04
Is that a 2 speed NSU 'Quickly'?

I believe it is - all 49cc [??] of throbbing power.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 05, 2012, 15:32:19
First finished piece, the reflector for the headlight, the back of it and the all the tabs were chipping and rusty. Paint color won't matter as its not seen from inside the headlight bucket and was FREE!

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121005_101610.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 06, 2012, 11:21:16
I managed to get all the spokes off the rims last night. I noticed that the rear wheel had two different spoke head angles, but not the other wheels.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121005_232625.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121005_215652.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121005_215649.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: timbutterfield on Oct 06, 2012, 15:03:38
damn that wheel looks rusted to s%&.  good luck my friend.  keep us posted!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 06, 2012, 15:47:04
Its not really as bad as it looks, not worried about it. They are steel and were not round when they left the factory. Zero primer on any painted surface and most parts sat for months or years before being painted.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 13, 2012, 19:56:09
Getting some aluminum sanded for polishing.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121012_153606.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 23, 2012, 18:47:58
Thanks to Sonreir, the Dnepr will get a new custom speedo face.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/Speedo4cream-John.png)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 29, 2012, 11:42:10
Don't know how I hadn't noticed it before, but found this old helmet tied up to the back inside of the sidecar tub this weekend..

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121026_222529.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121026_222608.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: shamus on Oct 29, 2012, 13:05:21
Cool! Hopefully the damage was incurred whilst not on someone's melon.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 29, 2012, 19:44:57
I don't know.. it was tied up inside the tub and looked a bit creepy.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 29, 2012, 19:45:10
Wow, this aluminum is rough, I've sanded this cover for two hours and probably still have another hour on the first grit, I'm guessing 5 hours total to sand and polish.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121029_155224.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 30, 2012, 04:37:07
Maybe your title for the build was prescient!

Crazy
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Oct 30, 2012, 10:45:03
What about using a random orbit to speed along the first grits?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 30, 2012, 12:36:31
Very true, both of you.  I am having trouble finding an pneumatic random orbit sander in town for under $80. Guess I'll order one online as the molds for these parts were rough and they had little or no factory cleanup. I still have four hubs to go through also.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 30, 2012, 23:37:08
Took the night off the Dnepr to carve pumpkins, I always end up doing everything but lighting them..

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121030_202335.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: john83 on Oct 31, 2012, 09:41:03
I love the one on the right!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 31, 2012, 12:13:26
Thanks, I do a very similar pumpkin every year, don't get too creative with mine, too busy creating for the kids and wife.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/Photo_102009_001.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Nov 02, 2012, 19:31:15
As promised!

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_155720.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_155706.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_155711.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_155728.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_155736.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_160509.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Nov 02, 2012, 23:43:10
Enlisted the daughter in the sorting efforts.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_193735.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: ProSimex on Nov 03, 2012, 13:59:06
DAMN how did I miss this!  I love those old soviet bikes.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Nov 03, 2012, 15:57:25
Glad ya found it, nothing but a restoration. From here it's just figuring out where all these bolts went, cleaning up the motor, nickle, chrome, brass plating, and prepping/priming parts for paint.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: ProSimex on Nov 03, 2012, 16:37:19
sounds perfect man.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Nov 05, 2012, 18:25:40
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121005_232625.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_20121102_155728.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: john83 on Nov 05, 2012, 20:03:17
Shiny!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Nov 08, 2012, 22:55:13
I'm about to start blasting parts and prepping for paint, rebuilding the harness with braided nylon (with modern insulation underneath), cleaning up the motor.  Any suggestions, comments, criticisms?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Nov 08, 2012, 22:57:21
Only suggestion is to keep at it, man!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Nov 08, 2012, 23:26:28
That's usually the hardest part isn't it? I've been on it for a few hours a day since I got it. I need to upload some photos..
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: beachcomber on Nov 09, 2012, 06:14:31
That's usually the hardest part isn't it? I've been on it for a few hours a day since I got it. I need to upload some photos..

I find that when my projects are flagging due to low enthusiasm [ temporary ] - a pic and a post on this thread gets me going again.

It's like having a bunch of mates encouraging you to get on with things.

And the other obvious point [ with me anyway ]  - no pix - no progress !

Also - seeing other projects such as your own gets the juices flowing again when my own  falter. Keep those pix coming.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: 7aliveatlast7 on Nov 16, 2012, 16:35:02
cool stuff, well done so far!
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: rundown on Dec 06, 2012, 22:13:18
I can't believe how cool I think this is, especially as if one had asked my yesterday how much interest I have in side cars I'd have said, about none.  Who knew an old Soviet era sidecar could be so cool?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Dec 07, 2012, 00:10:50
Hold tight for about a month and this will start to become really cool. I haven't stopped work on the hack, just lining things up make sure I hit my goal of next May. Been sanding parts to be polished and chrome/brass plated, nothing too special, I'll post pics when they're all polished.
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: flaco on Dec 16, 2012, 21:01:23
look at this one
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: spyra78 on Dec 17, 2012, 17:28:20
I really like those russians!  :D

i in fact had one some time ago. It was Ural but its pretty much the same thing. It used to go through the feelds like a dream ;)

my front breaks were not as sharp as yours though :D

(http://images46.fotosik.pl/647/574cfaf91dde9334.jpg) (http://www.fotosik.pl)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Dec 22, 2012, 17:29:16
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/xmas2012finalJPG.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: danejurrous on Jan 31, 2013, 15:55:21
Any updates on the Russian front?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 03, 2013, 10:46:18
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Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 30, 2013, 22:38:23
The XS650 and the Sidecar of Death???

I am contemplating hookin up the sidecar to the XS650. Kinda a tracker hacker..

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 30, 2013, 23:21:43
Also, I would still build the Dniepr and leave its sidecar mounts on so I could easily swap the hack. I can get a full set of mounts for the XS for $20..
Title: Re: The Dnepr and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Rich Ard on May 30, 2013, 23:38:29
Do it.
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 31, 2013, 10:51:58
Well, I did it. Bought the mounts to hookup the rig to the XS.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/sidehacks/sidehack1_zpsae9786dc.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/sidehacks/sidehack1_zpsae9786dc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Jun 01, 2013, 21:16:52
Hell yeah!
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: buzznichols on Jun 02, 2013, 23:50:02
Make that, Hells Yeah!
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 03, 2013, 12:45:32
Gonna stick one of these on the sidecar fender.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/PM300-15_CSC_peterson_CSC_taillight_4_amber_fender_011_26135024_std_zps170e7011.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/PM300-15_CSC_peterson_CSC_taillight_4_amber_fender_011_26135024_std_zps170e7011.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/PM300-15_CSC_peterson_CSC_taillight_4_amber_fender_009_26134731_std_zpsd0c71126.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/PM300-15_CSC_peterson_CSC_taillight_4_amber_fender_009_26134731_std_zpsd0c71126.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jun 03, 2013, 13:18:42
Cool, e-bay?
 I quite like that idea  ;)
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 03, 2013, 13:27:54
Florida Sidecar Products, lots of nifty lights.
http://floridasidecarproducts.com/sidecar_accessories
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 03, 2013, 15:03:38
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/sidecarmounts_zps7c550075.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/sidecarmounts_zps7c550075.jpg.html)

Yep.
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jun 03, 2013, 16:10:24
I didn't even know that place existed
It's bookmarked for future reference  ;D
Title: Re: The Dnepr, the XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Jun 04, 2013, 08:52:44
It looks like the rocketeer's helmet. Rad!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 19, 2013, 12:55:55
Kinda sad to say this, but I sold the Dnepr last night. Would have loved to have two bikes to hook the sidecar to and it was a very unique bike.

Moving forward! Some sort of a XS Tracker Hacker.


Ideas? :)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Rich Ard on Jun 19, 2013, 13:02:17
Lights! Lights everywhere!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 19, 2013, 13:35:32
:) I got some killer spot lights at a yard sale last week, $2 for the pair, guy said they were off of an old police bike.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 28, 2013, 11:12:54
In an effor to keep this movin, I ordered Omar's 19" rear wheel conversion kit. I'll be using the same 19" mag front, rear, sidecar, and a spair on back of the sidecar. http://omarsdtr.com/stwheel.html

Still need to rob all the left side brake components off a XS100 or XS850 for dual front brakes. Will need to work out a brake for the sidecar.

Here's the XS as it sits, tracker seat will be in this weekend. Only thing I've done is some superbike bars, grips, and mirrors.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0236_zps28d4d7bd.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0236_zps28d4d7bd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 28, 2013, 11:13:36
Sidecar frame is going to be blasted and powdercoated next week.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 28, 2013, 13:04:47
Just got one of the 3 19" mags I need. $20 with a good disc on it.

Contemplating reusing the 16" rear wheel on the sidecar.. :/

??
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 02, 2013, 14:36:50
This mamajama just showed up on my desk and I have a four day weekend!

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0243_zps2dfc85d6.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0243_zps2dfc85d6.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0242_zpscf3cf6ee.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0242_zpscf3cf6ee.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jul 02, 2013, 14:39:48
Nice, should look cool with the hack.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 02, 2013, 14:49:43
Hope so, I'm getting excited.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: danejurrous on Jul 02, 2013, 15:17:20
so that means the Hack will be done this weekend? ;)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 02, 2013, 15:21:28
Don't I wish. The sidecar frame should be powdered by tonight though! Need to figure out the seat this weekend, do a lil chop chopin', weld mounts for the seat and maybe, just maybe, weld the sidecar mounts to the frame!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Fab 5 Freddy on Jul 02, 2013, 17:47:30
That Carb is serious!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 02, 2013, 18:02:45
Just gave $200 to Moto-boxer.com for all the parts needed to put the sidecar back together.

2 x Seat & sidecar body rubber spring (5313215) = 17,80
2 x Sidecar body rubber cushions, thick (2 x 65021008) = 9,20
1 x Swingarm shaft Dnepr / K-750 (5309235) = 9,50
2 x Swingarm dust cover w/lock washer Dnepr / K-750 (5309231 + 75009233) = 6,00
2 x Swingarm silentblock Dnepr & K-750 (5309259) = 3,00
1 x Sidecar seat K-750 & Dnepr, artificial leather, black (650213 + 650214) = 72,00
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 02, 2013, 18:03:39
That Carb is serious!

 :o What carb?  ???
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Rich Ard on Jul 02, 2013, 19:05:36
The one that gets him to a hundred posts
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: danejurrous on Jul 02, 2013, 19:57:50
The one that gets him to a hundred posts

Ha ha I see I was not the only one who thought that!

John where you getting the frame powder coated?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 02, 2013, 21:07:02
Ha ha I see I was not the only one who thought that!

John where you getting the frame powder coated?

I'm using an industrial shop that does iron fencing, as far as I know it's just called Powder Coating and Blasting off of I-15 and about 3100 South, they're charging me $50 for blasting, masking, plugs, and gloss black powder. I'll try and pick it up tomorrow and see how they did. They said they'd do the sidecar, wheels (4), motorcycle frame, all for $150. I just need to find a body shop to get the dents out of the car first if I decided to do that.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Jul 02, 2013, 21:17:39
Wow. Great price for the coating. I am a fan of the new seat, sir.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: danejurrous on Jul 03, 2013, 13:06:16
Damn that's a killer price on powder! Everyone I have checked out wants between 200-300 for the 750 frame. Might have to source them out and see what they would run, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 03, 2013, 16:46:34
Damn that's a killer price on powder! Everyone I have checked out wants between 200-300 for the 750 frame. Might have to source them out and see what they would run, thanks for the info!

I'll show ya when its done, I'll make sure to get a card when I pick it up.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: MotorbikeBruno on Jul 03, 2013, 17:13:36
I'll show ya when its done, I'll make sure to get a card when I pick it up.

PLease do.  It might be cheaper to ship parts from here to there if the powder is good.  My guy wanted $360 for sandblasting the frame and powder a normal stock silver he had.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 03, 2013, 17:36:54
Yikes, I paid $75 and $150 for the last two frames I had powder coated and that was from a guy that does strictly auto parts; mostly racing.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 09, 2013, 17:35:21
Goodies..

Two sets of Chinese shocks $60, ordered on July 6th, got here from China in three days. These will be temporary.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0259_zpse673bdb4.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0259_zpse673bdb4.jpg.html)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0257_zps19aa0aae.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0257_zps19aa0aae.jpg.html)

Omar's 19" rear wheel kit - Over priced in my opinion, but looks quality and will save me a boatload of time.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0256_zps0cd2f9f4.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0256_zps0cd2f9f4.jpg.html)

19" dual disc wheel - just need one more.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0262_zpsd44d12bd.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0262_zpsd44d12bd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 09, 2013, 19:49:42
Got a link to that listing for shocks?
They are the same as the $100.00 ones
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: VonYinzer on Jul 09, 2013, 19:59:40
John... Do me a favor and take some really good measurements of that wheel adapter kit, would ya? Oh, and those SKF bearing numbers too fella...
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 09, 2013, 21:09:36
Got a link to that listing for shocks?
They are the same as the $100.00 ones

I bought them direct from the manufacture for $30 a set as "samples" through aliexpress.com.
That included shipping, which they upgraded to dhl.

Mine are 340mm (13.38in) eye to eye. If you can manage with the 32cm (12.59in), they can be found a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 09, 2013, 21:12:18
John... Do me a favor and take some really good measurements of that wheel adapter kit, would ya? Oh, and those SKF bearing numbers too fella...

Will do. If I still had a lathe I'd make some... Just got your title BTW. if ya still need it?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 10, 2013, 12:03:44
These were in my mailbox this morning.. Aluminum bodies, will probably get two more for the sidecar fender.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0264_zpsc1cbda98.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0264_zpsc1cbda98.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 10, 2013, 13:19:10
6204 Sir
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/65e5e0d8-6b30-4533-acd0-340bafd01e3b_zps87c0c854.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/65e5e0d8-6b30-4533-acd0-340bafd01e3b_zps87c0c854.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 10, 2013, 16:34:22
Gold O-ring chain..

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0265_zps3d806a31.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0265_zps3d806a31.jpg.html)

Parts are comin in like crazy!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: VonYinzer on Jul 10, 2013, 22:16:20
Will do. If I still had a lathe I'd make some... Just got your title BTW. if ya still need it?

I do sir. Yes.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 12:34:08
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0267_zps91a3d0c7.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0267_zps91a3d0c7.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0268_zpsc8c3761d.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0268_zpsc8c3761d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 12, 2013, 13:36:10
I don't know if it's such a good idea to remove anything that braces the left and right frame rails if your fitting a sidecar, it's pretty surprising the loadings you will get when riding
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 15:05:50
I'll be welding a tube to connect the frame rails, plus a very stiff bracket for seat/frame support.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 15:09:19
You got a lathe PJ? I need a pretty simple axle made for the sidecar swingarm.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 12, 2013, 15:18:12
Yep, haven't made stub axles for about 18~20yrs
Have you found taper roller bearings to fit XS hub?


Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 15:26:58
Yep, haven't made stub axles for about 18~20yrs
Have you found taper roller bearings to fit XS hub?

Hmmmm. Hadn't looked for a tapered roller bearing for the XS hub.

Have a friend that works for McGuire bearing, have him search for some.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 15:33:47
Funny the tapered roller bearings are 30204. I used that size for 7 years at an indoor kart track I managed. Axis is a good one.

Slight issue is that the tapered bearings are 15.25mm wide and stock bearing is 14mm. Not a big thing to overcome.

Lots on ebay. SKF, FAG, TIMKEN, KML...
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 12, 2013, 17:32:22
I wouldn't worry about the extra couple of mm.
Whats the inside diameter?
With a stub axle you really need at least 'inner' bearing to be on a larger diameter (25mm+)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 20:48:00
I see what you're saying, good idea, stock is 20mm. I'll have my friend find something for the sidecar wheel with the same 47mm OD and at least 25mm ID and make the axle that size?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 12, 2013, 23:08:04
Yep, much better plan.
To be honest, if I was designing a stub axle I would look at upright off a car, most have axle pressed in which would be much easier to press out, modify then press back in.
Uprights are usually forged steel so would be easier to carve on then weld into chassis
You may find trailer wheel bearings with 47mm OD?
That was easy  ;D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32005-Nachi-ed-Roller-Japan-25x47x15-Taper-Bearings-25mm-47mm-15mm-/130573030578?hash=item1e66c254b2
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 23:13:48
32005: tapered roller bearing 47mm OD, 15mm width, 25mm ID.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 23:15:08
Ya beat me. Thanks.

Not sure what you mean by uprights though?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: lingo on Jul 12, 2013, 23:32:21
Spindle, steering knuckle, the thing the suspension bolts to and holds the wheel
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 12, 2013, 23:36:57
Yep, this bit
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-56-57-58-59-Chevy-1-2-ton-pickup-front-spindle-spindel-steering-/200941320114?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ec90937b2&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 23:48:10
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/image_zps794f7e2a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/image_zps794f7e2a.jpg.html)

Mine is just like this except the axle in clamped on not pressed in and welded.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 12, 2013, 23:52:35
OK, I would still go larger diameter, unless your only using very lightweight chair?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 12, 2013, 23:55:59
I'm going to 25mm.

 Thanks for the info and suggestions! Need all the help I can get.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 13, 2013, 05:15:27
I've done a few miles on outfits, if you have one that handles OK you will start doing fun stuff, that's when things break  ;)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 13, 2013, 14:34:36
I'm sure ill be breaking shit left and right.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 15, 2013, 10:12:48
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/2ba1776e-1c7b-4f22-afbc-fd40e3a775cf_zps09cb798a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/2ba1776e-1c7b-4f22-afbc-fd40e3a775cf_zps09cb798a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 16, 2013, 13:52:45
Got another wheel

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0276_zpsc130c0cb.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0276_zpsc130c0cb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 25, 2013, 14:00:07
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0354_zpsdace854a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0354_zpsdace854a.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/c91_zps011464f5.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/c91_zps011464f5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: VonYinzer on Jul 25, 2013, 16:05:30
Cool beans.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 26, 2013, 15:50:23
Wired up some LED turn signals, installed an electronic flasher and diodes at the indicator bulb, couldn't get the signals to come on. Kept checking all the connections and couldn't figure it out. Had done this a few times in the past with no problems.

Damnit, look at the wiring diagram... XS650 has a FLASHER CANCELLING UNIT that I was not aware of, unplug the son a bitch, turn signals are a thing of beauty. Maybe this will help someone keep their hair and cool when doing this "simple" install in the future.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jul 26, 2013, 15:56:02
Ha, I am about to get to that point myself on the CX, I will check the wiring diagram to make sure I do not have that problem.  BIke is looking good.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 26, 2013, 16:00:47
Thanks, still very stock..

Just ordered a header kit from Monstercraftman.com (thanks Yinzer for the link) to build some high pipes on the left side so they are away from the sidecar passenger. Maybe it will make conversations a little easier when out and about. Plus who doesn't like high pipes?

Need to pick some cones with baffles.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: kopcicle on Jul 26, 2013, 16:14:44
(http://www.hoosracing.com/images/480_Stock_frame_2.jpg)

from hoos racing come with and without .

~kop
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 26, 2013, 16:24:45
I like. Great price too. Thanks Kop
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 29, 2013, 14:02:14
On the road again.

Ordered some Shinko 705s, coming up next; 19" rear wheel, sidecar mounts..

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0357_zps0c8da2bb.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0357_zps0c8da2bb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: VonYinzer on Jul 29, 2013, 20:27:48
Rad
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: atthemattin on Aug 06, 2013, 17:52:04
Very cool
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Rich Ard on Aug 07, 2013, 01:29:21
John - if you want to try to get some of the mounts on the cheap, the guy I just bought my wing from is taking the URAL car off another one and might be willing to send 'em out cheap. If you're not in a hurry, let me know what you're looking for and I'll check it out Thursday.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Aug 15, 2013, 15:59:11
John - if you want to try to get some of the mounts on the cheap, the guy I just bought my wing from is taking the URAL car off another one and might be willing to send 'em out cheap. If you're not in a hurry, let me know what you're looking for and I'll check it out Thursday.

I have some weld on mounts. If his mounts are of the bolt on variety, I am interested in them for future use. Let me know.

I have these.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/sidecarmounts_zps7c550075.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/sidecarmounts_zps7c550075.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Aug 15, 2013, 16:06:43
This black box shipped out from Poland on July 2nd and just arrived in my office after being held up in customs!

Aside from the Shinko tires, and a brake setup, this is everything I need to get the sidecar together. This is the stuff I couldn't really find in the US. I definitely could have made a seat, but this one looks to be of great quality.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0399_zpsfd924f28.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0399_zpsfd924f28.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0400_zps70292056.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0400_zps70292056.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0401_zps6c1896bb.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0401_zps6c1896bb.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/IMG_0402_zps3589aa15.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/IMG_0402_zps3589aa15.jpg.html)

Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: canyoncarver on Aug 15, 2013, 16:09:26
so cool
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Aug 20, 2013, 17:23:23
Need a machinist to make a stub axle for the sidecar swing arm, like this one, but for a 25mm bearing instead of 20mm.. I can send all measurements when the right person contacts me. The grooves for the bolts aren't super necessary, I can cut those after if I need to.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/null_zpsff4d331e.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/null_zpsff4d331e.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/null_zps2c681146.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/null_zps2c681146.jpg.html)

Thanks!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Aug 22, 2013, 12:47:34
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/25mmsidecarstubaxle_zps6f788268.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/25mmsidecarstubaxle_zps6f788268.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Dec 16, 2013, 17:12:58
I am so fuggin excited to finally have this axle for the sidecar. Now I can get this shit setup! Made of 4140.

So very happy!  ;D

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/CE4163BA-FE12-4A9F-898A-D2D6A329B278_zpsk2i6z11n.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/CE4163BA-FE12-4A9F-898A-D2D6A329B278_zpsk2i6z11n.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Dec 16, 2013, 18:36:55
Perfect fit.

Stoked that I was able to trade services for this with a machinist. I am making him a custom tool roll in trade!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Erskine on Dec 16, 2013, 20:27:50
great! now crack on with it! ;)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Dec 16, 2013, 22:52:21
That be the plan.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Feb 24, 2014, 12:23:04
Yup.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/B20C99B6-A075-4BDC-84A2-ECEE91D05722_zpsvcryypum.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/B20C99B6-A075-4BDC-84A2-ECEE91D05722_zpsvcryypum.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Feb 24, 2014, 13:04:48
Awesome, 3 tires means you are getting close to hitting the road for a test run?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Feb 24, 2014, 13:41:12
 ;D Yes Sir, the plan for this week is to take the wheels off the bike, mount the new tires and install the Omar's rear wheel kit to run a XS front wheel on the back (as well as the sidecar, thanks to my new axle) install a new O-ring chain and larger rear sprocket.

Next week I hope to tackle the frame setup and weld the mounts on the bike. Still a couple weeks out to try and kill myself with it..
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Feb 24, 2014, 14:07:03
Hmm, just realized I somehow forgot about my spare wheel/tire that sits on back of the sidecar. Just ordered another tire, if anyone has a XS650, 750, 1100, non-spoked front wheel for sale, let me know!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Moto Noob on Mar 13, 2014, 14:48:20
this is one of the most epic things i have ever seen... so jealous.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 05, 2014, 18:37:21
Pretty sad when I go to post and get the red "Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 30 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic." at the top of the post..

This is going on the bike tonight:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/90B3DFB0-690B-4644-86CB-A3549ECCBD85_zpsohhiybg2.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/90B3DFB0-690B-4644-86CB-A3549ECCBD85_zpsohhiybg2.jpg.html)

19" Yamaha front wheel, flipped and mounted on rear with adapter kit. New slightly smaller sprocket. Sidecar will take the same wheel with a 15mm axle and tapered bearings. Gettin close.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2014, 00:05:00
Did you sell the 400 and start something new or are you keeping 400 and making permanent sidecar bike out of it?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 07, 2014, 10:55:08
I kept the XS650 and am building around that. Just put a lag bolt into a stud on the wall of my garage last night and straped the bike to it. Planning to bolt things to the sidecar frame tonight and line everything up so I can weld four mounts to the 650's frame and get this bitch out on the road.

Thanks for your suggestions on the sidecar axle PJ, I'm glad I upsized it cause I gonna beat the hell out of it. ;)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 07, 2014, 11:00:07
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/C3FFD659-522F-4B81-B19E-C4216F5BAC17_zpsojnbtuj3.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/C3FFD659-522F-4B81-B19E-C4216F5BAC17_zpsojnbtuj3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on May 07, 2014, 14:16:32
Except for the seat colour, that little Suzuki is identical to the first bike I ever rode in 1968  ;D
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 07, 2014, 14:37:14
Ha, it's a '66 K11 (belongs to the wife) and is definitely the funnest little bike I've ever rode.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 15, 2014, 14:16:14
Know what I'm doing tonight. :)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/7F9D408C-8CB3-46D3-90D1-0AD7B41385CD_zpsileg1bcs.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/7F9D408C-8CB3-46D3-90D1-0AD7B41385CD_zpsileg1bcs.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on May 15, 2014, 20:01:24
Righteous.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 21, 2014, 10:50:11
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/35620D04-B229-4ADB-8610-2DF5414FDCF3_zps2fhy4wzv.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/35620D04-B229-4ADB-8610-2DF5414FDCF3_zps2fhy4wzv.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/sideh_zps1709ca56.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/sideh_zps1709ca56.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on May 21, 2014, 14:11:03
Try and get hold of some XS1100 forks (or similar) with leading axle, the reduction in trail will make steering easier
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on May 21, 2014, 14:21:06
I hear ya, I plan to find a whole front XS1100 front end, would like the dual brakes they have too.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on May 21, 2014, 14:27:41
Oh yeah, never thought about the extra brakes, I already fitted second disc to my XS  ;D
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: High On Octane on Jun 02, 2014, 20:30:14
Cool project!  Those Shinko 705s are fantastic tires, I have them on my '58 Enfield/Indian and absolutely love them.
Title: Exhaust help
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 18, 2014, 11:58:24
Been struggling to find a ready to go left side exhaust option for the XS650, unfortunately everything I can find is not baffled or out of stock. I'm thinking it wouldn't be too difficult to buy the following + a collector and be set with only needing to weld the collector to the head pipes. Any suggestions, opinions? From the descriptions I'm assuming I need a 1.5" OD inlet and a 1.75" OD outlet 2into1 collector?? Anything else I might need for this setup?

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/pandayamama_zpse2f3c463.gif) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/pandayamama_zpse2f3c463.gif.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/mikesreversemegaphone_zps9916fd69.gif) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/mikesreversemegaphone_zps9916fd69.gif.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/xs650-5a_zpsb1df400f.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/xs650-5a_zpsb1df400f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jun 18, 2014, 12:00:08
PM BradJ he has built a high exhaust for the XS650, he should be able to help you out.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 19, 2014, 11:42:47
PM BradJ he has built a high exhaust for the XS650, he should be able to help you out.

Sure did, wiseguy helped me realize the header lengths are different on the Pandemonium Choppers pipes.. That may not be a bid deal from what I've read, but I also don't want to do this twice and hold up being on the road for a stupid set of pipes.

Might just f' it all and get Hughs Handbuilt Speedster Pipes with baffles. They route under the bike..

http://hughshandbuilt.com/shop/hhb-speedster-pipes-silver/
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jun 19, 2014, 15:11:48
Internal baffles are always a crappy way to 'silence' open pipes
They are also pretty damn expensive for a welded up set, you could almost buy a welder and make set  using mandrel bends
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 20, 2014, 11:00:12
Ordered the Pandemonium Choppers High pipes (Ya Mamma) despite much appreciated advise. Was told cutting the left cylinder header after the flange and at the bottom end of the 180 where it straightens and adding 2 inches of straight pipe to each will even out the header lengths where they parallel.

Not sure if I'll even mess with that though. I know same length pipes is often a goal when designing an exhaust system, but have read a number of articles with dyno test from Cone Engineering and other manufactures that suggest slightly different pipe lengths should not be of major concern.

I plan to cut these pipes even, add a 2 into 1 collector (1.5" OD to 2"OD) and then the 12" SS Cone Engineering slip on 2" ID muffler I've selected. If I need to add to the length of the left side header, I will still be able to do that after the collector is welded without having to redo that or any of the mounting. Wish me luck.


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/pandayamama_zpsf6cb5d22.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/pandayamama_zpsf6cb5d22.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/12Cone2inch_zpsd5821726.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/12Cone2inch_zpsd5821726.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 23, 2014, 10:40:20
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/a4755751c6039ce1d1b2f7f00fc56280_zps322c300a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/a4755751c6039ce1d1b2f7f00fc56280_zps322c300a.jpg.html)

Picked up for $100. Going to round up the a fitting I need to connect to my C25 tank today and see if I can get back on the road by the end of the week.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Rich Ard on Jun 23, 2014, 12:18:18
That was a hundred bucks well spent!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jun 25, 2014, 00:31:37
Haven't really welded for a few years, looks like I should have practiced a bit, but it will do.

Just waiting on pipes and a tube bend for the rear frame mount.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/1CB80B17-B484-4FE7-A1AA-31575F75E8CA_zpsqzvf0sq7.jpg)

Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jun 25, 2014, 08:43:01
John that is just fine for being a bit rusty, not a stack of dimes but it ain't a pile of booger either LOL
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: ABCanuck on Jun 25, 2014, 11:22:04
Looks ten times better than the factory welds on my bikes!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 01, 2014, 12:18:30
Hope to finish up these 2-1 high pipes tonight..

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/481720B1-E68C-4956-9492-E7FF285FC7AE_zpsbvdogtr1.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/481720B1-E68C-4956-9492-E7FF285FC7AE_zpsbvdogtr1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 01, 2014, 12:21:26
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/E84DA691-83C3-4572-BC4A-EA7242E39CD3_zps26dn4um0.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/E84DA691-83C3-4572-BC4A-EA7242E39CD3_zps26dn4um0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Rich Ard on Jul 01, 2014, 12:52:42
Looks good!

Am I correct that the pipes can't come off without being cut?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 01, 2014, 13:06:43
Haha, at the moment they can be pulled out of the exhaust ports and dropped with a bit of finagling, but not removed from the bike. I have ordered a V-band clamp and flanges that will create a removable butt joint on the right side pipe though. Couldn't find what looked like a good sealing 2-1 slip on collector in the 1.5 ID TO 2" OD size..
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jul 02, 2014, 08:53:24
That will work, look great John/
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 03, 2014, 13:36:54
Got the exhaust all welded up with springs and hangers last night. Going to try and figure out some heat shields tonight. I have quite a few CL350 shields laying around, see what I can figure out..

Everything is really waiting on a piece of bent tubing to add to the frame for the rear lower mount of the sidecar. Hopefully that gets to me on Monday. Even wired up the sidecar fender lights last night.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Newagerocker on Jul 06, 2014, 17:34:38
Johnny,
Your build shows quite a lot of thought and expertise. I have a bit of experience with sidecars, my first was a Velorex on a 83'XS650 back in '92. I do think you should reconsider your position of the lower rear attachment. The lower front and rear attachments should be at the same height as not to intereact when adjusting toe-in or lean-out. These adjustments should be independent of each other; with them uneven lean-out and toe-in will changes dependently with either movement this will make it very difficult to align properly.

Good luck with your build and I'll be interested to see and hear about the final results.

Ed
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 07, 2014, 10:36:32
Johnny,
Your build shows quite a lot of thought and expertise. I have a bit of experience with sidecars, my first was a Velorex on a 83'XS650 back in '92. I do think you should reconsider your position of the lower rear attachment. The lower front and rear attachments should be at the same height as not to intereact when adjusting toe-in or lean-out. These adjustments should be independent of each other; with them uneven lean-out and toe-in will changes dependently with either movement this will make it very difficult to align properly.

Good luck with your build and I'll be interested to see and hear about the final results.

Ed

Thanks Ed, I appriciate the advise (and any other your could give), I quicky realized that the lower mounts needed to be level and that the rear stanchion needed to be mounted differently. This picture shows the current locations of the mounts.

I had a friend bend the tube for the rear mount as I couldn't bend the .120 wall DOM tubing I decided to go with. I am just waiting for the mail man to bring it to me and then I'm pretty much on the road to test things out!

I am beyond novice here, so any advise is definitely appriciated and welcome!

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/sidecarattach_zps0b247b92.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/sidecarattach_zps0b247b92.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Newagerocker on Jul 07, 2014, 15:28:39
I have several suggestions that may be of interest to you. Staying close to current topic of attachment and alignment, I'd suggest a lean-out of approximately 1 degree and toe-in at about 1/2". Widen the track the more lean-out and toe-in would be in order. If I remember correctly my rigs track from outside of rear tire to outside of sidecar tire was only 49". Narrow rigs are a bit more unstable, fly easily but steer more lightly, I soon got used to it. I never use any added ballast. Lean-out is most easily measured with one of those cheap magnetic protractors attached to the rear disk, handlebars straight, driver in the seat and approximate expected weight in the sidecar. Toe-in is the measured difference between front and rear width. Just behind rear wheel and just in front of the front wheel to projected length of sidecar wheel. Usually done with two straight lengths of pipes, tubing, carpenters laser, etc. Sidecar axle lead appears to be about right in your photo, usuallly folks are stuck with whatever they get after attachment points are set anyway. I don't want to overload you or sound like a know-it-all so I'll stop for now. If there is anything specific you have a questin about let me know I'll try to answer it.

Ed
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 07, 2014, 16:56:31
I've been told with the weight of this rig (on the heavy side) to shoot for a toe-in as large as 3/4"-1.5". Unfortunately this is not a universal mounting rig and was built specifically for the Dnepr, the ball mount receivers were actually reinforced and welded in place, I think by a previous owner, so I have lost some adjustability there.

From the measurements I've done I think I can have a toe-in range of 1"-2" any less might require me to create an extended front ball mount. I realized a few nights ago that the ball mounts I have are of two different lengths and I mounted the shorter one up front, I've started to grind the weld off so I can switch them, at least the longer one was not welded up yet. Novice move..

I've been setting this all up with the bike leaned out about 1/8", but leanout shouldn't be a problem to adjust.

Most suggestions I've seen on lead are around 8"- 10" and I'm at 9.5" so I feel good about that, except for the fact that I have absolutely no play with that number.

Luckily I have a couple of good laser alignment tools and straight edges.

I'm really crossing my fingers that this isn't a complete wreck when I get it on the street, or at least that simple adjustments instead of full on modifications are warranted.


Thank you!
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Newagerocker on Jul 07, 2014, 18:19:32
Sidecars are always a compromise of the pulling, pushing, and uneven rolling forces so there are no hard and fast rules. I just suggested some starting points. All adjustments are usually measured with driver on the bike and sidecar loaded. Wheel lead is the least important of adjustments. As I said regarding lead everyone is pretty much stuck with what they wind up with after establishing mounting points. So you are definitely OK there. Too much toe-in manifests itself in severe and uneven tire wear (both rear and sidecar) not enough will result in pulling from the sidecar. I've never seen an outfit that required more than 1 1/4" of toe-in. It's sometimes difficult to tell if you need more lean-out or more toe-in, that's when experimentation is on the menu, I usuallly opt for more lean-out. I think you are being a bit cheap with 1/8" lean-out as that usually equates to less than 1/2 degree and you'll find it quite difficult to make left turns (USA) especially on high centerbanked roads.

You seem quite organized and level headed to me, so I think you're approaching this project competently. When I was mounting my first sidecar a dear friend and riding buddy encouraged me saying "it ain't rocket science!" he was right.

After you get it rolling, I'll tell you some of the things I did to make it handle better and be more enjoyable.

Ed

Attached is a pic of my current sport touring outfit.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 08, 2014, 10:54:04
Crap man, that is a nice setup! What is the brake system like on that sidecar and what brand is it?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Newagerocker on Jul 08, 2014, 15:29:17
Thanks I like it! It's an EZS RX5 sidecar conversion made in Holland. It has exceptionally good braking for a sidecar outfit. Dual 316 mm disks with two piston Nissin calipers front, a single 316mm disk with a dual piston Nissin caliper rear, a single disk sidecar brake linked to the rear, with a Brembo dual piston caliper and all braided stainless steel brake lines. Capable of seeing the otherside of 120mph the brakes will haul it down pretty fast and modulating the rear keeps it straight.

Ed
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 11, 2014, 03:17:39
Decided to send back the expensive V-band clamps and just use these flanges. Exhaust is done other than header coating.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/BD7A9B5D-AA6B-41ED-9571-DC0C9F8BF554_zpsadf7s9te.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/2D822F7B-E073-4465-94AD-D87C1D6778E5_zpsmg7tyvz4.jpg)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jul 11, 2014, 08:52:57
Nice, you are on the home stretch now for sure. 
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 11, 2014, 10:41:34
Nice, you are on the home stretch now for sure.

I definitely am. I'm getting excited to take this thing out. Hoping for Monday night if I get the tube I need for the rear mount.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 14, 2014, 13:17:35
Have in my hand the last part I need to get this death machine on the road. Going to stay up late tonight and get it welded on, preliminarily setup and out for testing/breaking!

Started the bike with the new pipes last night, sounds great.  Planning to keep the stock filters in place, will do a plug chop soon and figure if I need to rejet.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 14, 2014, 14:47:39
Have two spare wheels to stick on the back of the sidecar now. Need to order some more Shinkos.

Pretty surprised this wheel was shipped like this and doesnt have a nick on the rims, definitely my best looking rim. It's from a 850, so dual disc.. Plan to use some aftermarket upgraded discs, calipers, and master though. Any suggestions?

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/CD4E32BF-35DD-4F5B-8F21-2F2768BEACFE_zpsrobqj17c.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/CD4E32BF-35DD-4F5B-8F21-2F2768BEACFE_zpsrobqj17c.jpg.html)

Axle sizes are different, but with tapered wheel bearings, I was able to get everything so they can use the same outer bearing race (pressed into the wheels), I'll just have to carry two sizes of bearings.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 14, 2014, 15:57:46
I think it's early R1 discs that fit hub.
XS wheel will 'do' dual disc, just remove cover on 'blank' side
I used late model one piece stock 650 discs, they are larger diameter than the dual disc 650's but crazy heavy so drill a load of holes in them
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/1crazypj/XS650/KatanaBrakesonXS650Right.jpg)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 14, 2014, 16:34:44
Nice, will keep that in mind.

Also, this last wheel was $12 and $8 to ship, so I can't really complain about the shipping method, I'm guessing this seller lost money on the deal.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 14, 2014, 17:41:40
Yep, I used to pay $35.00~$40.00 for wheel and normally about another $35.00 shipping.
Pretty sure there is no way he broke even  :o
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Newagerocker on Jul 15, 2014, 15:15:34
Well John, did you get to take it for a ride?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 15, 2014, 16:05:06
Daughter had a gymastics injury and spent the evening in a urgent care office with her.. Hopefully get the time tonight to weld and take a drive.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: danejurrous on Jul 16, 2014, 20:46:09
Hopefully your daughter is alright.


And the verdict on the shake down run is!!!!!??????
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 17, 2014, 02:30:34
Thanks, yeah she'll be fine.

As always, one more night.. Have 1-2 hours of work left before I will feel safe testing this contraption. Mounted the tub, but forgot to take a pic. Many more pics tomorrow.



(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/F2F7A7B7-EA5C-40D6-989D-0FBC1C2A8CF7_zpsg7ne0l2p.jpg)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 17, 2014, 12:34:07
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/sidehacks/0DD5EB0A-6D51-4A64-B09F-C3528A486DFE_zpsmwdvadac.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/abitnols/media/sidehacks/0DD5EB0A-6D51-4A64-B09F-C3528A486DFE_zpsmwdvadac.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 17, 2014, 12:36:48
I plan to reinforce the rear mounting bracket by spanning a tube from the center of the bend on the bracket to the frame on the opposite side of the bike. I will also brace the front upper and lower mounts with tube to the other side of the bike frame.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 17, 2014, 22:27:27
Had a CL350 heat shield laying around..  Chopped it a lil..

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/Mobile%20Uploads/D129A14B-97D0-4CF1-858B-E7124E78BC49_zpsqv1ptnjc.jpg)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 17, 2014, 22:54:35
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/8AF14625-411E-4F75-8ACE-097DA7A6D6AC_zpsh457w9ju.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/C612FF42-9ADA-4BA3-88B1-9E9DBA5C3E6F_zpstoq6bjjf.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x60/abitnols/815FE9FB-A0FE-4817-BE5D-EA13791F1891_zps5vzthtl5.jpg)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 18, 2014, 01:03:19
Took it for a hour long ride around town, top speed 65, pulls a little to the right, will attempt to adjust for that. Otherwise I'm pretty damn amazed at how it handled. Had a lot of fun in a empty parking lot flying the sidecar around and getting a feel for the handling!

Taking it into work in the working. See how it is in the busy downtown streets.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Jul 18, 2014, 03:41:22
That would be a candidate for some 'square' tyres, AVON sidecar or maybe the Firestones (finally, a proper use for them  ;D )
Bet the kids love it, my brother and I always liked being taken to school in the 'outfit'  8)
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Jul 18, 2014, 07:30:39
Rad.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jul 18, 2014, 08:41:18
Yes, very well done.  I think one of these things is in my future to take the dog and whole family on rides.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: canyoncarver on Jul 18, 2014, 13:44:03
So cool John.  Damn I need a sidehack!

Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Newagerocker on Jul 18, 2014, 14:11:57
Took it for a hour long ride around town, top speed 65, pulls a little to the right, will attempt to adjust for that. Otherwise I'm pretty damn amazed at how it handled. Had a lot of fun in a empty parking lot flying the sidecar around and getting a feel for the handling!

Taking it into work in the working. See how it is in the busy downtown streets.

Glad to see you got it going. May want to look at a change in final drive ratio. Stock rear 34T, countershaft 17T or 2:1. I went with a 36T and 16T might be a little too much, you may want to try 36T and 17T. Top speed will go up with sprocket change as you will be able to reach your max torque point in all gears and it'll save the clutch on take-off. A little practice is all it takes to get used to it
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 18, 2014, 14:33:09
Thanks everyone, I actually am running 36T rear 17T front and have no complaints!

About to go on a long ride with curvy roads and lots of elevation changes. See what I have to say after that..
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Jul 18, 2014, 16:06:08
Look forward to the ride report

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Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 18, 2014, 17:20:00
Holy shit. Love driving this. Lots of sketchy turns with the sidecar off the ground.  ;D

Things I've learned that need to be adressed.

Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 18, 2014, 17:23:10
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Newagerocker on Jul 18, 2014, 18:12:49
Yes, all those things you mentioned will enhance the experience, a fork brace is also a good idea.The second front disk may give you increased braking ability but will make the steering a bit heavier especially with a steering damper. I knew it be fun for you! While it may be a lot of fun flying the wheel it's not a good idea to scare the wits out of your passenger at every right turn. Applying the front brake slightly, while adding throttle, steering through the turn will tend to keep the car down even with greater speed, just one of the techniques you will be discovering.

Now more practice!


Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Erskine on Jul 19, 2014, 09:22:14
Big +1 on a fork brace !
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Jul 29, 2014, 13:42:57
Update. I love driving this thing. Got about 20 hours on it so far.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Erskine on Jul 29, 2014, 18:39:56
It's so addictive, I'll never go back to solos, they just don't float my boat anymore.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Rogue on Sep 06, 2014, 20:33:11
Very cool.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Sep 08, 2014, 10:35:47
I now have about 800 miles on it, I'm amazed by how much fun it has been. Still desire to modify some things, but thats just part of owning a motorcycle right, the never ending project?

Wife told me on a Friday night that the kids were going to spend the night and the whole next day with family. I loaded up the sidecar with camping items for a night and we shot up in the mountains, it was awesome to have room for everything we needed without a car. The next morning we hit some trails and had a blast getting all muddy.

Still can't believe how well the frame mounting and toe went. I really expected to be remounting it after learning I'd done something wrong and to be fighting adjustments. I've had a few local sidecar guys look at the mounting and although they all say they would have used a clamp on universal mount kit and built a subframe, they agree that it is properly adjusted and has no real issues to address. Also, tires are wearing perfectly.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Maritime on Sep 08, 2014, 10:47:50
Awesome John, that sounds great.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: Kafay350 on Sep 16, 2014, 15:25:43
very nice, good to see.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: BCC on Sep 30, 2014, 22:57:18
Sweet build!  Are those RFY shocks by chance? If so how are they riding?
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 01, 2014, 10:22:22
Sweet build!  Are those RFY shocks by chance? If so how are they riding?

They are and they're great for the cost. I've been pleased with them.

If you're looking for a set, I have a new set in box of 12.5"- 13" in the same color I'm sitting on.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 17, 2014, 15:30:07
Well, sidecar wheel started to lock up last night on a ride. Looks like side loading destroyed the inner tapered wheel bearing I thought would hold up well to side loading.

Only been 1000 miles, not sure if I should buy some better quality tapered roller bearings or head back to the drawing board. Will post pics.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: cxman on Oct 17, 2014, 21:27:17
throw something like a fafnir self aligning bearing in there and let it sort itself out

as lonng as the hub is indexed and the axle has a stop for the bearing then it will

take any radial load you throw at it
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: JohnGoFast on Oct 20, 2014, 10:51:07
Haven't found the time to get into this yet.

Thanks for the suggestion, I had never thought of a self aligning bearing for this, I've used them in the past for minor angular misalignments on mechanical equipment with success.
Title: Re: The XS, and the Sidecar of Death
Post by: crazypj on Oct 20, 2014, 14:40:33
Don't know if you've seen this?
Set up was taken from an old BMW manual but is applicable to any sidecar set up I know of
http://home.jtan.com/~joe/images/stan_sub_2.jpg