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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Bob and Chop => Topic started by: andycafe on Dec 27, 2013, 21:25:19

Title: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 27, 2013, 21:25:19
So I had my Brother (IL) down for Christmas  :o
Back in April 2009 he had hooked me up with this 75 400F needless to say after 5 years of no movement with it he certainly put a fire cracker up me to get moving  ;D The original story was "The wife and i have just returned from a week long trip up and down the coast from Melbourne to Brisbane in our motor home, with plenty of stops along the way including Sydney where my Sister and her Husband Hardy live. How exciting you may say however Hardy is the bloke who although i have been into bikes for around 25yrs really got me into cafe racers and introduced me to Do The Ton. While visiting them he showed me the progress made and ideas for his own Suzuki cafe ( what a beast ) he also surprised me by very generously giving me a Honda Cb400f ( bored to 500 ). Needing some wiring, front brake and general tidying will turn into a nice cafe for myself, with a complete rebuild planned for after the wife's CB250rs cafe is completed, all the more reason to get hers finished now!!!!!!! So considering i had the bike trailer on behind the motor home with our Honda 600 tourer, with a couple of small mods i was able to bring the 400 back home and once i had recovered from about 3600kms of driving i spent a couple of hours looking over it and got it running so not to long before i can get out onto the road and DO THE TON !!!!! Ive added a pic at the bottom...
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 27, 2013, 21:31:13
So I have had an idea of how I would like this to look for quite a while now, so with some much time having past and still loving the look I'm sure this is what I want  ;)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 27, 2013, 21:34:50
And this is how it sits as of today ready for progress  :P
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Dec 27, 2013, 23:42:41
looking good man!i love these 400 fs exhausts!stick with normal tires and not those baloony firestones...they destroy cornering with every bike.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 28, 2013, 02:44:11
looking good man!i love these 400 fs exhausts!stick with normal tires and not those baloony firestones...they destroy cornering with every bike.

Cheers man, yeah I was thinking normal tyres I really like the rib on the front, but I would like white walls or big white lettering on them  8)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 29, 2013, 05:40:04
I've played with several tanks to get the right look as the original wont suit, a CB550 is to large and the old steel XR tanks are too skinny but I found a CB360 fits great. The only problems with it is the location of the fuel cock being directly above the carb and a few dints that will need to he pulled before paint  :o
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: trek97 on Dec 29, 2013, 08:33:23
Ha, after my Bro turned me onto these little bikes.  That pic of that black 400 is the first one I found.  I fell in love w it.  and that was my inspiration model.

Be careful about adding too many 360 parts...you want it to run when finished dont you? :o

Yep, keep away from the firestones.  and if you plan to ride it, she will require more rear tire room.

I got you bookmarked.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 29, 2013, 15:59:00
Ha, after my Bro turned me onto these little bikes.  That pic of that black 400 is the first one I found.  I fell in love w it.  and that was my inspiration model.

Be careful about adding too many 360 parts...you want it to run when finished dont you? :o

Yep, keep away from the firestones.  and if you plan to ride it, she will require more rear tire room.

I got you bookmarked.

Nice one  ;)

yeah the tank will be the only 360 part I'll add  ;D don't worry I'm gonna put real tyres on her  ;D Your right about the rear fender being to close to the wheel  :o she has Koni's on the rear which she naturally sits higher on, so this will help as I do want her to be comfy  :)

Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 29, 2013, 16:11:02
Be careful about adding too many 360 parts...you want it to run when finished dont you? :o

Question, What did you do with your 360 tank? it looks straight, interested in clearing it out of you shop  ;D
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 30, 2013, 00:42:01
Had a little play this afternoon and noticed that whoever installed the headers last didn't fit gaskets ??? Anyhow I also had a look around for some new tyres and found this combo of 110/90 rear (4.00) and 100/90 front @ $220 ride away, what do you think??
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: VonYinzer on Dec 30, 2013, 08:33:03
Those are the Shinkos right? If so, they're a great tire for the money. Plenty of grip and performance for these old bikes and they seem to last well.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 30, 2013, 16:38:29
Yeah Shinko, turns out that this dealer is not far from me in Melbourne so I'm hoping I can get 2 sets for and even better price pick up  :o ;) Thanks for the info it makes them sound promising indeed  :)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: Maritime on Dec 30, 2013, 16:51:05
+1 on the shinko's for the price they are excellent tires. I have em on the CX and the Wing and they stick well, easy to balance and wear pretty good too.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 01, 2014, 04:02:18
+1 on the shinko's for the price they are excellent tires. I have em on the CX and the Wing and they stick well, easy to balance and wear pretty good too.
Cheers for the feedback, I think this definitely gets me over the line to pick them up  :D
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 01, 2014, 04:29:29
So today I started looking forward at this project, I noticed the PO had used oversized bolts in the clutch cable cover plate so had fitted spaces for it to tighten  ??? ??? I noticed this because as I know the engine runs fine (needs carb rebuild though) I wont be doing a complete strip down of it just a clean up  :o This means I want the little covers polished up for a contrast, the fun part is the PO used a wire wheel to clean the motor  ??? Anyway next up is to yank the motor and prep them frame for paint and clean up the rims for the new rubber :)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 02, 2014, 06:54:45
Ordered the tyres today they should be Here by the end of the month  ;D also since now I have two builds going I needed to build an extra... :o Check my workshop build thread to see  ;D
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: Roc City Cafe on Jan 02, 2014, 09:30:02
boy I hope that bike never gets rained on... nice stack/rain collector design... Personally I like the 400f, if I didn't feel the need to do stupid things like ride 130mph, it would be my favorite bike.  I wish you found a better inspiration build than that "brat" deathtrap. 
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 02, 2014, 15:40:41
boy I hope that bike never gets rained on... nice stack/rain collector design... Personally I like the 400f, if I didn't feel the need to do stupid things like ride 130mph, it would be my favorite bike.  I wish you found a better inspiration build than that "brat" deathtrap.

 ;D Thanks, Luckily I wont be copying it completely I'll keep the original rear ride height so that there is clearance and suspension travel  ;) and of course I am slipping some decent rubber on her not that she'll be aiming for 130mph  :D So basically she'll look different but should keep the factory ride ability  8)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 11, 2014, 05:46:47
Ok so luckily my neighbour Craig has join the fun for this build and will be helping to complete the project  :D With that tonight we pulled the engine which was a lot better than I thought (think Craig had the heavy end  ;D) apart from the fact that the carbs had leaked fuel into the engine oil, it all seems to be good. We brainstormed a few ideas for the frame and various colours, so our next task is de-tabbing the frame before sand blasting :o then cleaning up the wheels ready for the new rubber  8)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 16, 2014, 02:58:50
New brake pads arrived today  ::) will make for a nice little polish & rebuild job we could do now  :)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Jan 16, 2014, 11:10:08
I'm on board, Mate.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: Little Heat on Jan 16, 2014, 11:55:32
Hey man, I'm staying tuned to this one, looks like you've got the perfect base for a sweet tracker
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: WhyNot on Jan 16, 2014, 12:14:52
I like this....................following.

Looks good......so far.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 16, 2014, 15:29:19
I'm on board, Mate.

Sweet  ;)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 16, 2014, 15:31:50
Hey man, I'm staying tuned to this one, looks like you've got the perfect base for a sweet tracker

Cheers, I hope we keep the playlist interesting then  :o :D
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 16, 2014, 15:34:08
I like this....................following.

Looks good......so far.

 ;D no pressure then  ;D

"1972 Honda CB100K2 (Tinker Toy)(Wife would be pissed, if she knew I had this one, shhhhhhh)"
I have a couple of projects hidden too  :o
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 20, 2014, 05:55:56
Just a Guy living his dream  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VdNEJAFfFLA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VdNEJAFfFLA)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 22, 2014, 06:05:35
I'm definitely getting ahead of myself here  ;) when I realized the PO hadn't installed exhaust gaskets I bought a set immediately  :-\ ;D

Hope to get back onto this by the end of the month, I'm pulling 11+hr shifts 6-7 days at the moment $$$ but tired
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 27, 2014, 03:40:52
Right then, Now that it's time to get the new rubber for this I decided to strip down the wheels. Originally I was planning just to polish them up but after disassembly I realized these needed a complete restoration. So powder coating it is and some new bearings as the oldies were shot :(
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 28, 2014, 05:20:13
Bought a few more goodies for this tonight  ;D A new oil filter And a loop to bob the frame  8)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: jdizon on Jan 28, 2014, 17:36:33
Looks sweet! Consider hard tailing it?   
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 29, 2014, 03:46:03
Looks sweet! Consider hard tailing it?

Thanks mate, Nah no hard tail for this but I would like to do a plunger at some stage :)
Title: 400F bratstyle
Post by: Nevergrew on Feb 02, 2014, 05:25:08
Just stumbled onto this thread mate. Great bike/project. Don't listen to the brat balloon haters, I haven't died yet...?!!

Title: 400F bratstyle
Post by: Nevergrew on Feb 02, 2014, 05:29:16
Rock hard shocks and 25mm travel. Plenty fine ;)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: Green199 on Feb 02, 2014, 08:55:20
Just stumbled onto this thread mate. Great bike/project. Don't listen to the brat balloon haters, I haven't died yet...?!!

Try cornering at speeds you would with proper tyres, then tell us what happens ;)

Good start Andy!
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: VonYinzer on Feb 02, 2014, 11:51:11
Try cornering at speeds you would with proper tyres, then tell us what happens ;)

Good start Andy!

Folks that run Firestones (or similar tires) never see corners at speed. The only turning they do is pulling in and out of the bar two block from their house as slowly as possible so all the art school gurls w/ daddy issues can see them.

:)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: WhyNot on Feb 02, 2014, 16:35:55
^^^^^teeheheheheheheee^^^^^
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Feb 03, 2014, 05:31:00
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Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: WhyNot on Feb 03, 2014, 10:20:59
Rock hard shocks and 25mm travel. Plenty fine ;)

Can you show the rest of this bike....pleeez?
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Feb 03, 2014, 16:29:44
Can you show the rest of this bike....pleeez?

Heres a link to his build thread  :)

http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=45982.30
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: WhyNot on Feb 03, 2014, 16:35:20
Heres a link to his build thread  :)

http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=45982.30


Kewl......, hey thanks man.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: o1marc on Feb 03, 2014, 16:39:59
I didn't think you could bore a 400f to 500. How was it done?
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Feb 04, 2014, 02:24:54
very generously giving me a Honda Cb400f ( bored to 500 ).

I didn't think you could bore a 400f to 500. How was it done?

It's what my bro told me so I suspect it's what the guy who sold it to him had said, since I'm not stripping the engine down I wont know until the carb's are rebuilt for sure  :o He could have been telling pork pies  ::)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Feb 04, 2014, 09:56:13
Perhaps 466?
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Feb 05, 2014, 06:50:08
Sshhh don't tell my wife  :o got the wheels from the powder coated and straight around to have new tyres fitted  8) Also the tail loop arrived today. 
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: MickyC on Feb 05, 2014, 17:25:17
Wheels came out a treat.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Dec 29, 2015, 04:21:43
 :o :o Nearly 2 years later and I have finally reassembled these wheels and fitted them to the bike  ;)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 01, 2016, 17:29:33
Well it seem's I am going to carry on with some momentum on this project  :o I have picked up (ordered) some new to me parts for this bike to help get her finished  :o They include, Seat, Rear inner & main guard, chain tensioners, carb to airbox adapter and handlebar controls  ;D Here's to some good progress in 2016    ;)

Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: Maritime on Jan 04, 2016, 09:52:04
Yay. glad you are back to work on this one. I will have a 400F project someday.
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 04, 2016, 15:41:44
Yay. glad you are back to work on this one. I will have a 400F project someday.

Thanks buddy :) Continued gathering bit's with some coil's, air box to frame pipe, side cover grommets and a new compliance plate on their way  :)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 04, 2016, 15:44:36
With no frame mods required I think it's a good time to strip her down and have the powder coating done, rebuild the front & rear shocks then start to build her back up  :o   :)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Jan 05, 2016, 07:11:50
Make it so!
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 08, 2016, 07:04:07
Started the strip tonight, still plenty to sort out  :o Still it's a good pile ready for powder and chrome  ;D

Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 22, 2016, 04:15:12
Dropped everything off for sandblasting and chrome today, Finally  ;D
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Jan 30, 2016, 05:56:17
Spoke to the Sandblaster on Friday, Unfortunately didn't get to my job  :-\ Oh well should have em next week to deliver to the powder coater  ;)
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Feb 04, 2016, 04:22:38
Picked up from the Sandblaster, they also etched ready for powder  ;D Dropped off at the Coaters, should be ready middle of next week   :o Hopefully the Chrome will be ready then too  :-\
Title: Re: 400F bratstyle
Post by: andycafe on Feb 11, 2016, 06:16:03
Picked up the Chrome bits tonight  8) powdercoater assures me it will all be ready for pickup tomorrow arvo  :P The black frame and swing arm are done (they look sweeet) just waiting on the silver bit's  :-\  I'm hoping to get it built up to a roller at least before my brother who gave it to me arrives in town & 6.30 tomorrow  :o :o :o ;D