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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Trackers => Topic started by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 14:33:00

Title: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 14:33:00
I've been viewing this site for a few years, but didn't have an account until recently.  This is my first bike, and i've learned a lot about tracing down problems.  SpeedFreak inspired me to put all my progress here into a build thread (don't know the guy, never talked to me, but I respect a build that progresses across multiple years.  As you will shortly see, my technical skills are minimal compared to most of the other guys on here, but here is what I've got.)

(http://www.hondatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Honda-CB360-side-2.jpg)

in 2009 I bought a bike that looked quite a lot like this one pictured (not my photo).  It didn't have turn signals, the charging system had some problems, and the starter had been disconnected, but it ran really well.  The guy was an old Honda Tech out of Atlanta.  I'd never ridden on the road before, but Alabama isn't super picky so they gave me a MC license anyway.  I bought some gloves and a hard hat and went to check the thing out.  The guy gave me a quick riding lesson, and let me ride the thing around his neighborhood for a few minutes before helping me load it onto the hitch rack on the back of my suburban.  Super sweet guy - even offered to help me work on it if I brought it back up to ATL.

about 30 miles from home my suburban dies on the side of the road and I my cell is dead . . . (or maybe I was going to be late for a date - I'm terrible about trying to cram too many things into a day)  so I ride the thing home.  75mph was terrifying and trucks were blowing me all over the place, but I got home . . . and went to get my truck (out of gas - broken gauge it ends up).

Drove the thing around for 6 months before it goes out of tune/ clogs the carbs/ whatever.  I didn't do a damn thing to keep it running and ignored the honda techs suggestion to seal the tank or get fuel filters (what a dumb kid I am)

Park it in a barn for 2 years and start seeking out help to fix it.  I deliver sandwiches for JJs at this point so I'm pretty cash poor.  I'd worked a lot on my old Audi, and was a very competent bicycle mechanic, so I figure I can do motorcycles . . . not the case.  I'm bad at everything.  Long story short, I figure a bunch of things out, and get the bike back on the road.  Charging is still bunk and the battery dies constantly but it runs.  Pulling from my bicycle experience, I flip some sport bars and get laughed at by all the kids at recess, but I like the way the bike looks with drop bars, and the riding position suits my tastes.

(http://www.benlewiscreative.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Bahbu-and-360-473x354.jpg)

I'd hated the factory tail box thing - so derpy, so I'd replaced it with something that was laying around at my LMS. - here she is running (finally) but not charging.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 14:39:51
I continued tinkering about with it: Tried the John Deere Rectifier, but it wasn't taking.  The charging system was all sorts of messed up.  Threw some new diaphragms in from those beautiful boys from kent - which had other problems.  the rubber tire part wasn't thick enough and so I had to modify the slides to work. (basically crimped them down on the diaphragms and glued them into place.  The problem was that the old diaphragms were stopping the slides from bottoming out in the carburetors and the new ones weren't - and then they were jamming - no fun.

My friend did call me to say he'd found these bicycle bags at the goodwill $4 a piece.  I bought all four of them.  Now I could make beer runs on the CB without bringing my messenger bag.

(http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/7295069a6fb311e2b3d922000a9f309f_7.jpg)

They look better with stuff in them.



Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 15:32:42
Up next - I'm frustrated with how hard it is to trace down electrical gremlins so I rewire the entire bike - there are a lot of redundancies.  I have arms, so the blinkers won't be much of a priority as they aren't required in Alabama.

some preliminary thinking (and proof that I am easily confused).  It took me a week to realize that these two drawings are exactly the same thing.

(http://distilleryimage3.ak.instagram.com/19a3c6e680f911e2957d22000a1fa40f_7.jpg)

extra stuff I didn't want or need:

(http://scontent-b-dfw.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpf1/outbound-distilleryimage2/l/t0.0-17/OBPTH/00c33650788b11e2800122000a1fbf61_7.jpg)

measure twice, purchase once:  The reflector I ordered for my HID kit was too small . . . at least it wasn't too big.  I took some radiator hose I had laying around and filled the gap nicely.  The only problem is finding a place to hide the ballasts - right now they are zip tied behind the light - looks like a rats nest.  So far thought I try not to clean things up until everything is running right, and we still aren't charging (doh).  Put an LED tail light in to extend my battery life and a kill switch for the headlight.  (did I mention how blind I was at night?  Back country alabama roads are fun and pleasant at night in the summer, but not possible with my stock lighting.  I'd struggled with the idea of getting a 3000k yellow kit, but figured I could put film on the reflector if it was too clean.

(http://distilleryimage10.ak.instagram.com/b4a46dd677b111e2850422000a1f9a85_7.jpg)

now there is an angel that lives in my headlight =)

(http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/a5863230943011e2998822000a1fbc5d_7.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 17:38:22
So, at this point I've gotten the charging problem worked out.  The starter chain and sprocket had come off and were wreaking havoc on my stator . . . I pulled the chain and sprocket and replaced my stator with a used one on Ebay.  I hooked the third lead into the system directly (instead of through the headlight switch) and crossed my fingers that the John Deere Rectifier would keep my battery from being over charged.

(http://distilleryimage4.ak.instagram.com/067ea168a77211e2b55422000a9f1377_7.jpg)
the bike - cat isn't helping.  I like the color combo here and think the final product will have something similar to this going on.

I felt I had things together enough to start playing a bit more with the way things looked.  I'd purchased some Copper Roof Paint for a bicycle build I was working on.  a half pint sample was $50 and a quart was $80 so I went with the quart.  This left me way too much copper paint, so I started painting my tank and side covers.  The goal was to have it patina nicely (which the paint is capable of doing) but I was having trouble getting the patina to take.  I used all sorts of methods to speed the process and nothing really worked.  (the dent was from laying the bike over in a pile of leaves at 10 mph - only wreck so far and I'm thankful no one got hurt)

(http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/ba48f7689d5c11e2a15422000a9f19a4_7.jpg)
everything getting their coat of all natural copper patina catalyst.

Lucky for me I have a friend who runs a metal shop, and likes being owed favors.  I told him how I was planning to plug the starter hole (pipe cap sort of thing) and he insisted that we do better.  This is bolted on from inside the left side cover and sealed with gasket in a tube.

(http://distilleryimage6.ak.instagram.com/3eecaee6cc7a11e2b9fd22000a1fbc16_7.jpg)

more tinkering with the carbs.  who knows why at this point.  Maybe I was trying to save weight by removing them all together.

(http://distilleryimage2.ak.instagram.com/4002cfd4cbe111e28c8722000a1f90f9_7.jpg)
(you can see the threaded innards of the plug at the bottom left corner)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 17:42:55
A quick intermission because at this point the bike runs REALLY well and the weather is REALLY nice . . . so i took a lot of pictures of it in various places.

(http://distilleryimage4.ak.instagram.com/ce430b38a39b11e2999e22000a1f8afc_7.jpg)

(http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/ed07644ca39b11e2a9a222000aa81a0e_7.jpg)

(http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/0a218eb8a39c11e2b3af22000a1fb856_7.jpg)

(http://distilleryimage8.ak.instagram.com/919054e6a3d911e2bf9022000a1fb723_7.jpg)
I even made it into an art gallery opening (asked my buddy where I should park, and he asked if I wanted to wheel it inside.  it was mostly a joke and people had lots of questions.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 17:52:03
So I moved to Pittsburgh . . . because Jimmy Johns didn't seem like a sustainable career for me (i kept getting hit by cars, and I knew my knees wouldn't hold up forever) so I went off to graduate school.  The 360 was my only self propelled vehicle at the time so I rode the thing to Akron to visit a friend.

(http://distilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com/073c2f26028f11e3aef922000a9f3c05_7.jpg)
the side bags held more than enough gear for the weekend and the bike was . . . comfortable enough =/.  two hours was not my favorite amount of time to be riding about.  my butt wasn't used to it.

at this point, my tail light decided that it had been through too much and it left without saying goodbye.

when I arrive in Akron, my friend asks me if I drove the entire way without a license plate :doh:
(http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/24361ee002a611e3957722000a1f9a39_7.jpg)

so I head to auto zone and pick up the cheapest thing I can find . . . which doesn't really look that bad (imo)

(http://distilleryimage11.ak.instagram.com/0ffb4e6c045611e39f1222000aeb0ea1_7.jpg)

until I get back to pittsburgh to find

(http://distilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com/7188cb1805e711e399ae22000a1f9c95_7.jpg)
lucky for me the entire light was only $7 and I just go buy another one.


Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 17, 2014, 17:54:04
Following along.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 18:09:05
So I've spent a few months trying to track down a CL360 exhaust and haven't had any luck.  I get REALLY close and then some dude in who knows where outbids me at the last second (because - I'm a cheap ass and really don't want to spend what they are worth.)

So I buy these in frustration before realizing that I can't get the mufflers for both pipes (only one was removable?!) damn.

(http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/48cfc376069a11e3af7822000a1fb04e_7.jpg)

So i ride the thing around. . . badass - runs alright, but holy hell is it loud! I can't roll around on this thing, its embarrassing. so I take them off and let a dream die.

a few weeks later, I stumble upon the hondabrat blog of Trek97 . . . I see the EXACT PICTURE of the pipes that I was outbid on in the middle of a post where the guy says he is cutting them up to get to the pipes . . . woah - I email him and ask him if we could pull a trade.  He hears me out and offers to send me the mufflers if I pay shipping (more than reasonable, what a great guy).

So now I've got the whole exhaust, but need to figure out the best way to attach them.

in the mean time I replace the throttle that has been bugging me, and the kill switch (included in the factory throttle) and add a horn (with the new "starter" button).

I also dry fit a CB450 tank I've picked up off of ebay.  It needs some work, but whatever it was cheap (and missing a key part - the gas cap latch).

(http://distilleryimage6.ak.instagram.com/d632db00223c11e39e1922000a9f4dd0_7.jpg)
(http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/b6ab9c72223c11e3b61522000a1fb007_7.jpg)

I flipped the mirrors over because they kept hitting the old tank, and were a bit harder to use.  I also like the proportions of the 450 tank better than my factory 360 tank.  I think we are pretty close.  I want to slim down the seat a bit, but this one is too nice to cut, so I wait.

(http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/94e4b52a307811e386e022000a9e1782_8.jpg)
my materials and processes class is way to boring to stay awake through without some extra stimuli so I draw.  This is what I'm going for, but we shall see.

-Ben
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 18:17:32
Winter comes . . . and I'm ill prepared.  gonna have to do something about this.  Nobody likes a snowtercycle

(http://photos-c.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpa1/925688_254452581370690_144095489_n.jpg)

mostly I wait - because 15 degrees is more than my alabama bones can handle...and I buy a car.

on good days I try to work through it anyway - I think it was sunny and 30 degrees on this day - practically spring . . .

(http://photos-g.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/1921971_1412237725692118_1685306576_n.jpg)

grab a CL350 heat shield off of ebay for $20 shipped and it mostly works.  the holes are maybe 1/4" off at worst.

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpf1/1799711_270102469818399_523634921_n.jpg)

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpa1/10005338_254007184780019_2058417546_n.jpg)
my tarp elopes with my wheels.

(http://photos-b.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpf1/1515971_822002124480145_1299225696_n.jpg)
new tires.
(http://photos-c.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xfa1/10005364_736648269713610_571436573_n.jpg)
it started snowing as soon as I went around the block.  damn pittsburgh.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 17, 2014, 18:27:55
my name is rod, and I like to party...

(http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/a2c68908adcc11e3a19412223bf7b269_8.jpg)

winter is boring so I start to doodle.  This is what I'm going for . . . buy not in paint pen.

The other side still needs sanding, but I'm procrastinating.

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/10004367_505983719506479_1123096953_n.jpg)

thank God for spring!
(http://photos-b.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/1661064_139287382908521_1814975518_n.jpg)

and with it comes . . . new bars . . . that kinda make things not work as well - damn.  bike hits the fender under hard braking (which is terrifying).  We can work through this . . .

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpf1/10175153_546753942100323_50169281_n.jpg)
I choose you, tachometer.

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpf1/10299907_1385676181673903_255947061_n.jpg)
my shop in squirrel hill . . .

then the spark plug pops out . . . which was really sad for me.  I rethreaded a cross threaded plug hole a few years back and I guess it just ate too much meat out to stay in there.  damn.  Time to pull things apart and deal with this little setback.

(http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpf1/t51.2885-15/10296614_809707029047938_1447312974_n.jpg)

(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/l/t51.2885-15/927652_1424678204463534_193669730_n.jpg)
just before loading her up to move to AZ - new factory fender that won't rub =)

(http://photos-f.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpf1/10362089_478336248966109_1749928755_n.jpg)
on the road.

Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jun 20, 2014, 19:24:09
 that sucks, about the spark plug hole. 

and Dude, driving across Illinois on your trip, you were like an hour or so from my house.  Dang,  You coulda bought me lunch, breakfast , dinner and a beer for the CL mufflers.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Jun 20, 2014, 19:46:04
This is great.  If you really want to patina that copper, you need a fume chamber.  Buy one of those cheap clear storage bins big enough to fit the tank with extra room from WalMart, fill the bottom full of rags and dampen (not soak) them with a mixture of ammonia and salt.  Then, suspend the tank in the bin with some wire for a weekend.  Horse urine also works.  ;)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 21, 2014, 03:21:22
Sorry Eric - I went WAY south.  Headed through Charleston to get hitched, and then crashed in Alabama with my folks for a few days.  I could have done all of those things for the CL mufflers =).  I owe you a couple for sure.

This is great.  If you really want to patina that copper, you need a fume chamber.  Buy one of those cheap clear storage bins big enough to fit the tank with extra room from WalMart, fill the bottom full of rags and dampen (not soak) them with a mixture of ammonia and salt.  Then, suspend the tank in the bin with some wire for a weekend.  Horse urine also works.  ;)

Thanks for the tip!  I left the 360 tank on the side of the road (trying not to horde things "just in case" unless its a "most likely will need that") and in true alabama fashion is was gone in less than 5 min.  I'm doing a slightly different thing for the CB450 tank but planned to use the same copper paint for part of it.  I'm liable to try it again.  So far the best thing i'd tried was human piss.  Don't have access to a horse out here in AZ, which is a shame, though I'm pretty comfortable around them - I could probably get some if I tried hard enough.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Jun 21, 2014, 09:41:09
Sorry Eric - I went WAY south.  Headed through Charleston to get hitched, and then crashed in Alabama with my folks for a few days. 
  Oh, so you probably went right by my house (I live a half a mile from I-20 in Augusta).  I could've drank Trek's beers for him.  Congrats on getting' hitched.  You know that tank probably got scrapped, right?  ;)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 21, 2014, 21:11:06
Yup - doesn't bother me at all.  Tried to give it away in a couple places and there weren't any takers.

I did drive right by your place =)  If either of you are ever in central AZ (avoid the summers) then ill make good on those beers.

-Ben.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 04, 2014, 20:19:48
Finally unpacked my multimeter and tested my coils.  at this point I can't even remember which symptom led someone to believe that my coils should be tested, but I did it.

left side: 4.8 OHMS
right side: went nuts O.L.

seems like the culprit.

Now I work on random things that are free (like shaving the seat pan, and skimming bondo onto the new tank)

Next piece of employment will lead to replacement coils.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: compoundcycles on Jul 13, 2014, 18:53:05
Good Luck with your build, looks like another fun project to follow!
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 16, 2014, 02:40:52
Thanks man. Had a killer find today. $20

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/16/uta2a8aj.jpg)

Which is enough leather to make a lot of mistakes covering my modified seat...

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/16/y9uduhyq.jpg)

It mostly fits in my car, which is good enough for me...

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/16/2ugahame.jpg)

Also had a bunch of 3" elastic webbing that I'm sure will come in handy, as well as some HD Zippers.

I hope to make a tool bag/ wrap and maybe some grip wrap..... And streamers and a bullwhip. Also found a really stupid Harley part that I'm saving up for (its a secret and its for this build)

Still too hot to put my workbench together from the move (much less work outside on it) is it October yet? Heading to Seattle next week for my honeymoon. That will be a nice change. I love being on the road. Just the dog, the wife, and a tent.


Don't post and drive with tapatalk
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 16, 2014, 02:47:14
I've also got a stupid exhaust question. The slip on CL pipe is supposed to have some sort of gasket? I don't have that. Any hints on how to get one? Either they aren't for sale new or used, or I'm searching the wrong key words (I hope its the second)


Don't post and drive with tapatalk
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 29, 2014, 01:29:06
in addition to the stupid exhaust question . . . I'm looking at McMaster Carr for rear set linkages (distant future) and came to a question: Do I need a Left and Right hand thread for each rod?

Here is the set up I am thinking about.

M6 Threaded Rod: (may be over kill, but the price on clevis and eyelets are astronomically cheaper)
Ball Joint End
Clevis End
Metal Rod with ID matching the M6 (1/4"-ish)
LocK Nuts (probably Nylock - why not?)

Does one of these need to be RHT and the other LHT?

I'm not sure.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Jul 29, 2014, 09:15:23
Mine has one RH and one LH because I used a Busa rear set, which uses an LH thread and it was one less linkage part I needed to buy.  I doubt you'll need them to be opposite as long as there is a way to attach both ends of the linkage without having to thread on the rod.  You'll lose adjustment in the rod length, though.  I'm not sure how well the M6 threaded rod will do.  I'm using M5 threaded rod for mine and it wants to flex and bend, which makes makes shifting not so good.  I don't if the M6 will be much stiffer.  The rod you get from Fast From the Past and others is much thicker.  I'm trying to switch mine out as soon as I can find an M5 end (which has not been easy).
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 30, 2014, 01:04:30
Thanks - That helps a lot.  I see how the right/left thread would help me with adjustability.  I was thinking I would measure/ cut/ tweak/ and leave it.  If that's not a realistic scenario (and it might not be) I may just grab the linkages from DCC (they won't cost any more after shipping) though I don't think they are any different as they are cut to length.  I guess if you have threaded rod and it switches to counter threaded rod in the middle then you can still put RH/LH on each end and cut it to length.  I don't know - I may be talking out of my ass - I usually think with my hands and don't have any bolts/ nuts laying around to play with to work this out.  No matter, I'll be home in a few weeks and can sort it all out there.

I was going to sheath the threaded rod in copper tube, but that won't give me any extra rigidity, so who knows.  Maybe I could beef up the rod a bit - there are a couple of options out there.

Any lines on the exhaust question?  Are there rubber sleeves that make the slide on pipes fit better?  Mine are looser than anyone would think was reasonable.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Korbin091 on Aug 23, 2014, 20:41:27

(http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/94e4b52a307811e386e022000a9e1782_8.jpg)
my materials and processes class is way to boring to stay awake through without some extra stimuli so I draw.  This is what I'm going for, but we shall see.


Very attractive.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Sep 11, 2014, 01:18:05
Thanks! its amazing what gets one in a two hour materials and processes lecture.

At this point I'm short an ignition coil and a gas tank...

I'm closer to getting getting this guy back on the road. I have the cash in the bike bank, I'm just not sure how to spend it.  I'm thinking of having the dents in the 450 tank professionally removed and a solid base color added so that I can hand paint the graphics. I need to reseal it because the old seal peeled off on the trip out (I'm sure the temps in the utility trailer got above 120 on the I-10 and the tank was dry. - maybe that's not why it peeled, but it feels like the reason it did.)

Anyway - Arizona is hot and work is work, and time is scarce (and honestly, I'm a month and a half away from being outside for more than an hour at a time, which bums me out)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 15, 2014, 11:49:41
XT600 coils are an easy swap.  Same mounting points, but use spade connectors instead of bullet.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Sep 15, 2014, 13:06:00
... but use spade connectors instead of bullet.
Isn't it better to swap out bullets for spades anyway?  Not the biggest fan of bullets.  I don't trust them to make good connections.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 15, 2014, 13:23:05
I don't really have a preference, but in my experience the bullets seem to grip a bit better.

The molded plastic connectors with spades are awesome, though.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Sep 15, 2014, 18:50:45
Thanks guys.  I'll check them out.  i finally got my little outdoor work bench set up1 and the evenings are starting to dip below 100 degrees in the shade.  Should be ready to start putting things right again in the next few weeks.

my crappy set up:

(http://photos-f.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpa1/925639_695564460512789_2126484313_n.jpg)

which is a marked improvement over my last set up:

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpf1/10299907_1385676181673903_255947061_n.jpg)

which was a huge improvement over having to bring everything inside my security door before heading upstairs to grab a new beer/take a shit. (Back before I owned the box)


1) still over grass, so I'll have to become much better at not dropping small shite or find a ground pad to put down
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Duchat on Sep 16, 2014, 12:24:51


Thanks guys.  I'll check them out.  i finally got my little outdoor work bench set up1 and the evenings are starting to dip below 100 degrees in the shade.  Should be ready to start putting things right again in the next few weeks.

In the next few weeks I should be staring down the barrel of 6 months of winter and an unheated garage filled with junk I don't want to touch until spring.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Sep 16, 2014, 15:32:28
my 9 month spring is really the benefit of living in Phoenix.  If I miss the winter I can just head north 2 hours to flag staff and go snow surfing.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: work9to5 on Oct 13, 2014, 15:58:06
Got my attention!
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Oct 26, 2014, 22:36:54
When the going gets tough, the tough end up spending 60 hour weeks at work, and paying for cross continent holiday plane tickets for their families instead of buying the few cheap as shit parts needed to get this thing back on the road:  I swear though, that every time I do the math on this, it gets more expensive:

OEM gas cap latch: $50
Tank Sealer: $30
4 Gallons of Apple Cider Vinegar: $17
Paint: $30
clear coat at a shop (because this guy doesn't have access to a clean place to spray or a compressor): $???
Ignition Coils $50
Spark Plug Wires (totally optional, could franken rob the wires off the factory coils) $20
Tank of gas from the ARCO down the block: $9

bleh.  At this point the body work is meh, but I'm not a body man, and I'm done staring at this thing in the yard.  next time I'll pay someone else to do it and let it just be good.  This time, Wintery Phoenix calls, and I can't let this turn into a year long hiatus . . . / I have my eyes set on a $1500 build idea . . . maybe this guy is my meal ticket out of here. (no hate CB, you are just heavy, old, cranky, and impossible to find parts for.)

(http://photos-c.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpa1/1389661_711249422296562_174869524_n.jpg)

"Progress" to date.  Major dents "mostly" filled (you can see how true that is from this shitty shot)
couple coats of primer
seat pan shaved and hand rolled to fit with CB450 tank
foam "cut" don't love it though.  Rear hump part is just beyond where I plan to short chop the bike.  I'm hoping to hide the foam butchery with some 1/4" shipping foam between the leather and the factory foam . . . we will see.

cheers.

Anyone need a factory original seat? I was smart enough to cut up a shredded one, instead of the pristine example I was riding around on in my past life.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Dec 22, 2014, 19:29:03
I've got a dumb question before I hook everything up . . . is the left point (when looking at the points) for the left ignition coil?

I took everything off and didn't snap a picture. . . .  ::)

The other (less dumb) question is wether these new yamaha coils need to have the condenser hooked up (same as the OEM coils) (I wired the old leads up to snap into the new coils so that I can connect everything, but I'm not sure if I need to . . .

The other option is just popping the stator cover off and going through the correct motions to figure this out on my own, but if anyone wants to save me the time . . . much appreciated.

(this also means that my tank has been patched, sealed, and is in the process of getting painted: I also have new yamaha coils installed (but obviously not wired.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on Dec 22, 2014, 19:53:12
Right point (blue, I think) is left cylinder.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Dec 22, 2014, 23:00:20
Thanks for the help Sonreir:

I had a pic of the blue point attaching to the condenser side of the bike, which is the right side.  Never broke into the points.  plugged everything in and she fired right up.  Now to fix a few little things. (I want to note that there is evidence on the webz of these colors being reversed on some CB360s, so if you are reading this, don't assume that what I wrote here is correct for your bike.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 01, 2015, 17:17:35
I could use some help.  The CB450 tank puts the petcock right on top of the left carb. It works fine turned in about 50 degrees, which makes switching the thing on a bit awkward.  Are there any slimmer petcocks out there? The thing that hits the carb is the split outlet off to the side.

I really do live in an extreme climate.  The JB weld i used to patch the choke switch together broke, so I removed the butterfly valve.  It doesn't get cold enough for me to need it and I can always make a new choke tie (whatever connects the two carbs there) from scraps at TechShop.  Anyway.  I plugged everything in and strapped everything on; gave the battery a good two day charge after topping the cells off with distilled water and the bike fired right up.  I rode it around the block a few times and snapped some photos. I think I need to replace all of the cables.

(http://photos-c.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/t51.2885-15/924459_385607438287986_495476739_n.jpg)

(http://photos-g.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t51.2885-15/925285_769508506435774_2126653017_n.jpg)

The forks are way past due for a rebuild. Are there any springs that I should consider swapping in when I'm in there?
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Duchat on Jan 01, 2015, 17:32:30
Ooh I'm paying attention to this one; and any word about ride quality too. I've heard a full race tech spring and damper swap makes a stiff ride.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 01, 2015, 21:33:28
Ooh I'm paying attention to this one; and any word about ride quality too. I've heard a full race tech spring and damper swap makes a stiff ride.

Thanks. =)

 I think I'll just rebuild the forks with the existing springs.  Seems like race tech springs would make this thing even less tracker than it already is.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Duchat on Jan 01, 2015, 23:42:58
Thanks. =)

 I think I'll just rebuild the forks with the existing springs.  Seems like race tech springs would make this thing even less tracker than it already is.
I said that I had heard that. I would also love to hear from some people that have made the plunge. It's an expensive upgrade and you'll never get any of it back when you sell so you better enjoy it.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: redahtamn on Jan 02, 2015, 02:22:16
quick read through the thread and I find a bike in 3 separate stages and a couch bought to recover a seat. fing great man! keep it rolling on
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jan 02, 2015, 07:46:58
She is really coming along nicely...thank god you did something about the upside down bars...but dude, you gotta do something w that seat.   ;D

I mean even if you went total hipster and wrapped it in a piece of seattles best flannel.   ::)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 02, 2015, 10:09:50
I hear you Eric. My mantra with this bike has been "don't mod a bike that doesn't run" which keeps me from going too far down the rabbit hole. Unfortunately it also puts me in odd situations like this one, where I am just trying to get her back on the road before I sink a couple of hours into making a seat cover and a couple more into putting the rest of the graphics on the tank.

I was thinking of sliding the leg from an old pair of jeans over it in the mean time, but am afraid I'll like that enough to give up on the couch.  I've got an insanely nice pair of Japanese raw denim jeans that a client gave me for a branding project that are no longer wearable. They would be up to the task, but again: I'd have to give up on the couch.

I was happy to have her on the road.  She could use a tune up, but she got all the way up to 9000 RPM which is something that hasn't been possible for a few seasons.

Thanks for the encouragement Redahtamn. at this point my mind changes faster than my abilities to implement change.  It should continue to be a wild ride.

Up next, I will have to relocate the auto zone trailer tail-light. (any probably replace it with something a bit more appropriate.) and cut down the rear hoop.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: KICKRacing on Jan 06, 2015, 16:19:05
Great looking bike. My fav thing about this is that this bike gets ridden right? It's not some trailer queen. This bike has character. How many miles have you put on her? Keep it up, keep it running as good as possible too!
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 13, 2015, 21:28:35
Great looking bike. My fav thing about this is that this bike gets ridden right? It's not some trailer queen. This bike has character. How many miles have you put on her? Keep it up, keep it running as good as possible too!

She sits when she breaks and I'm busy. (or poor/ or its hotter than hell in Arizona - this last stretch was the worst. 7 months I think  :( ) but no - she isn't a trailer queen. I rode her from Pittsburgh to Akron last fall.  I didn't like how straight all the roads were up there. Alabama is more fun. Arizona is less fun (have to ride an hour to find a road worth ripping into) Anyway . . .

I have a question for the all knowing singularity that is DoTheTon - how the heck do I size the battery I'm buying?

<autobiographical ramblings - feel free to skip this slosh>
I did a simple universal 12V battery (think it was from emergency lighting or something) before I worked out my charging issues, and tossed it (because it didn't hold enough for me to ride the bike with a messed up charging system.) Now that things are back in order, I think I'm going to move away from the wet cell technology. I've fried 3 batteries trying to keep those things in good shape (I'll blame Arizona for frying this last one. I'm sure that 120 degrees at 0 humidity for 3 months is to blame for the last one. Every single cell was try when I finally put the new ignition coils on it) Anyway - the battery in it doesn't hold a charge for more than a day or two. It hasn't died on me while riding and the numbers are good when I test the terminals at 2000rpm+ (so I figure its really the battery.)
</autobiographical ramblings>

I pulled the starter a long time ago (its a 360 and I'm not even 36 yet. I don't mind kicking it - its not like it kicks back.) so I just have an LED tail light, an HID 35W headlight and the ignition coils (and the LED neutral light whenever I feel like hooking that back up.)  I've googled the math on this thing, and can't find a good breakdown of how to do this (without being way over my head.)

Was thinking 12V 4A . . . Could build another tool box into the extra space of the battery.

"Hey Ben, Why not just get a 12V 7A battery like the one that came in the damn thing and has worked in the past?"

Good question random person! Well, you see, I'm a cheap bastard and want to save the $20-$40. (I could say something about weight, but we all know the heaviest part of this bike is my gut.)

Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 13, 2015, 21:37:12
Stupid Thought, Can I just charge the battery up and then do this when it's idling, figure I want the thing to go for an hour or so with the headlight off. (I would also want some sort of warning light when my charging system blows out to let me know to kill the headlight or hurry home if something does go wrong.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWA9WqSEjg8

My worry is that I'm going to fry the multimeter.

(alternately I know It would take 30 amps across the entire system to blow all three fuses.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jan 13, 2015, 22:50:15
I suggest you talk to sonrier bout all that.

heres my battery I love it. 9ah sealed gel, I always, ALWAYS use elec start.  on its 3rd year now maybe? 

http://www.amazon.com/UPG-UT9B-4-Adventure-Series-Battery/dp/B001ZTBHLG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421204133&sr=8-1&keywords=adventure+power+battery+9b-4

my headlight...18/18w h4.  I dont ride alot after dark.  On high beam its as bright as a 35w on low beam.  On low it works great for daytime running around, sipping bout half the juice as your 35/55.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/H4-9003-HB2-18-18W-Halogen-Motor-Scooter-Headlight-bulb-/380246017601?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58886dc641&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Jan 13, 2015, 22:56:19
How much are you trying to save?  I have a 12V 12ah sealed AGM battery that cost me like $45.  It's lasted me 3 years so far, and I'm sure it'll go on for many more.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 14, 2015, 12:38:53
Was hoping to spend less than the $50 I spent on the acid batteries at my LBS. I liked the idea of having the extra space in the battery compartment for tools, but really, I have the factory tool box, and could just build a small roll for that thing. (or make myself a tool bag out of the leftover) 

I suggest you talk to sonrier bout all that.

heres my battery I love it. 9ah sealed gel, I always, ALWAYS use elec start.  on its 3rd year now maybe? 

http://www.amazon.com/UPG-UT9B-4-Adventure-Series-Battery/dp/B001ZTBHLG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421204133&sr=8-1&keywords=adventure+power+battery+9b-4


Did that thing fit in your battery box? (do you still have a battery box?) Thanks for chiming in.  It sounds like there is no real benefit for me to go with a small amp battery (as I'm keeping factory air boxes on mine)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Jan 14, 2015, 12:49:27
Since it's a sealed AGM, it can be installed in any position.  I have mine under the hump at the back of the frame.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jan 14, 2015, 14:00:02
They got dimensions on the page 6x3x4.5 ?  A bit smaller than stock. 
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 14, 2015, 14:47:18
Thanks Eric & deviant.  I was having trouble tracking down the stock dimensions. (impatient me didn't want to wait until I got home to check.)



On to the next one =)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 16, 2015, 01:32:45
Whelp. I cut down my rear hoop. Mocked up the length I want to cut the factory fender to, and then went back to work.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jan 16, 2015, 12:19:44
you are insane in the membrane, dude! :D
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 25, 2015, 14:54:21
Asking this here to keep this build cohesive, but . . . I may put this question in the appropriate sub-forum as well:

I just timed the thing (like spot on timed it up) and I'm worried that when I put the top end back together I didn't line up the timing chain properly . . . with the new coils the bike ran (and pushed itself around) but it was weak. Now I've got the left points closing at LF and the right points closing at F, but the bike won't run at all (sometimes I get a strong kick back from the kickstart, and once or twice I got a few fires and an abrupt stall).

Any help on how to tackle this (or trouble shoot it) is much appreciated. Its been so hot (at least when I first got here) and I've been so busy (since then) that I've become a bit rusty. The high pipes also make doing anything a huge pain in the knuckles.

(checked my crap battery and its holding at 12.4V so that shouldn't be the problem, and there is gas in it. Going to put another gallon or two in just to be safe, but beyond that. I'm at a loss.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jan 25, 2015, 17:46:36
Now I've got the left points closing at LF and the right points closing at F, but the bike won't run at all


Points should OPEN on the LF & F.

AND, since you didnt ask for it, Im gonna tell you, easy way to set points.

I like a tight gap, cause it gives her, just that much more time to charge the coils.


1.  set the gap on left point to open spec distance.  I like to start at .12.  I think specs say 12-16.

2.  next, rotate plate til it opens on LF exactly.  snug it down & rotate engine counterclockwise

3.  Then adjust right point gap to open on L, it should (automatically) fall within .12-16 specs. 

If right turns out to be more or less than 12-16, start over w step  1.  Set Left to open .14 gap...and so on







Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 26, 2015, 01:33:47
Thanks Eric. (as I said, I've become a bit rusty . . . and misplaced my clymer). That explains why she very quickly became more of a runlikeshit type of motorcycle.

Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Jan 26, 2015, 01:46:51
a runlikeshit type of motorcycle.
Nope, that's because it's a 360. 
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 26, 2015, 12:21:06
Nope, that's because it's a 360.

My tuning standards are pretty lax. If the motorcycle has better acceleration than me on my bicycle, and can approach redline then I'm a happy camper. (so far, in 7 years of ownership, that has been true for approximately 8 months.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jan 26, 2015, 20:04:39
Clymer = runlikeshit
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 27, 2015, 18:29:32
Thanks again Eric. =) retuned this morning following your steps and holy hell did she fire right up.

Since page 4 (or at this point, maybe pages 4 and 5) is being dedicated to stupid questions, does anyone know how efficiently step a 3/16 barb up to fit into 1/4" hose? My CB400 four petcock (which otherwise solves my petcock problem) won't work with tubes that fit onto my carbs/ fuel filter/ etc.

I was thinking some sort of fuel safe 3/16 line adhered to the barb with fuel safe liquid gasket stuffed inside the 1/4" fuel line with a hose clamp around the entire thing. Unfortunately gravity is not on my side of this one as I needed the side exit petcock to clear my carburetors with the CB450 tank.

I'm throwing this out there, because I'm certain this is far from the best way to do it. Thinking I could also get some fatty fuel line from auto zone for 3/16" and hog out the 1/4" side with a power drill to make the transition (when I google reducers they were all male to male. i need to male (3/16) to female(1/4) or a female to female.

-Ben.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 28, 2015, 12:21:31
Whelp. I wasn't planning on doing a tear down and rebuild, but . . .

Rode it to the corner store, and on the way (luckily about 2 blocks from my house) something popped (not a backfire pop, but a shearing metal sort of pop) and the engine stopped running and the kick lever is stiff.

May try to sell it.  I don't feel like a worthy adversary for this bike.  Need to get an EX500 and just ride the piss out of it.

-B
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Jan 28, 2015, 18:48:02
Cam chain probably broke.  You don't have to get discouraged quite yet.  Open it up and assess the damage.  A tappet screw may have jammed in-between the cam chain sprocket and the chain. You learn a lot about the motor if you have to tear it down.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jan 28, 2015, 22:25:40
Thanks again Eric. =) retuned this morning following your steps and holy hell did she fire right up.

-Ben.

Happy to help.  ;D

Get w PJ he can make you exactly what you need. 

Whelp. I wasn't planning on doing a tear down and rebuild, but . . .

Rode it to the corner store, and on the way (luckily about 2 blocks from my house) something popped (not a backfire pop, but a shearing metal sort of pop) and the engine stopped running and the kick lever is stiff.

May try to sell it.  I don't feel like a worthy adversary for this bike.  Need to get an EX500 and just ride the piss out of it.

-B

OK Yes that totally blows.  But do not give up on her.  Like deviant said.  Maybe something simple and "fun" to fix.
Atleast open her up and find the issue.  If you need a cam chain or gear.  I have a couple used but good lying around here.  You would be welcome to.  If its a guide, sprackmoto has them cheap enough.  No better time to learn what makes her go & what caused her to stop.  if you sell her now...the loss you take on her will out weigh the cost of the rebuild.

I cant count how many times I was ready to set mine on fire, push her off a cliff and into a dumpster.
 
Grasshopper, You have come to a fork in the road.  This fork, separates the builders from the hipsters. 

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/trek97/spring%2013/patience_grasshopper_zpsf4a8bed1.jpg)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 03, 2015, 13:54:13
Today's dumb question: anyone ever plug mike I carbs into stock air boxes?

<3 Ben.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 03, 2015, 22:41:02
Good news tied to todays stupid question!

Turns out I didn't toast the engine (at least, as far as I can tell at this point.) but some arse-hat did forget to put loc-tite on the cam sprocket bolts when reinstalling them (and I bet his name was Ben.) Anyway (stupid question time) does anybody know where that little bolt ended up? How to get it out (preferably without rebuilding the engine, or turning the engine over and shaking it vigorously.) Or if I even need to get it out (I'm assuming I do, but perhaps the other end of the cam chain is wrapped around some sort of mechanical black hole that consumes all loose bits and safely sequesters them in another dimension?

Either way, I'm pulling the craigslist ad with this bike for sale as scrap metal.

Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Feb 03, 2015, 23:11:59
Been there, except mine was a tappet locking screw.  If your lucky, you can see the bolt and use one of those reach claw doohickies with a magnet taped to the end.  Otherwise, you're turning the motor upside down and taking the lower case off to get to it from the other side.  It's not hard to do at all.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Feb 03, 2015, 23:31:55
+ 1
this stuff makes me worry, I didnt locktite mine, but I did use the torque wrench.
No way in hell you could fish it out.
get a gasket kit on amazon...best price i found.  and a tube of hondabond.  drain the oil.  flip it over and pull the lower case.  it shouldnt be too difficult at all.  and hopefully the dang bolt dont fall back down (up) into the top end, while its upsidedown.
matt (sonreir) found a cornucopia of items in the bottom case of his...like sticks, nuts/bolts and toys and stuff.  His two year old dropped down in there during his rebuild!!!  lol

double check now its not in the cam shaft oil baths.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 16, 2015, 22:44:05
I managed to fish out the bolt, and ordered new ones (though I suspect that my local honda dealer is just sitting on them at this point without calling me to let me know that they are in.)

Anyway. Bought some replacements at the local ACE hardware and threw some blue loc tite on them to keep them in place for the time being. Fired the bike up, rode it around the block and down the street (ran smoother and was more responsive than it has been in about 3 years). about a 4 blocks from my house it dies. . .

Today I cleaned the carbs, checked for spark, and tried to reset timing. Now timing is about 20 degrees off where it was previously set . . . wtf?! i'll pull it apart and see if there is something wrong with the cam chain again. The advancer isn't jammed (checked that first because it doesn't involve pulling the valve cover.)

The good news is I'll need to pull the valve cover anyway to put the honda spec cam sprocket bolts in.  at this point I should grab some of those replacement tensioners (though the timing isn't varying at all like it was when the cam chain sprocket had detached from the cams)

Feeling pretty stumped on this one.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Feb 16, 2015, 23:49:50
this is great news.  I was starting to worry we lost ya!

look at setting up crank and cam in manual.   maybe got crank and cam misaligned a couple teeth?  maybe?  something like that.
when replacing the guide.  read both the manual and the supplement, you got from my blog.  leave the adjuster bolt tight as is to start.  Its springs are pretty darn stout.  dont try to force new slide.  get a long ass screwdriver from harbor freight...longer than guide.  and use that to push the arm down when you loosen the adjuster bolt. 
also, inside the top retaining cup trapping the slide in, there is a small "seat" it can easily fall out of the inverted cup...down into the engine.  dont let that happen.
Its late and im tired...I will find some pics of stuff for you, first chance.   
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 17, 2015, 00:35:07
Thanks Eric. Wife wants her camry back (it is hers after all).

The two hondas I own don't work, so I've been dividing my time. The Element clutch is a bit beyond my experience and equipment capabilities, (as well is the financial means to outsource the job) but I'm hacking away at it. In the frustrated moments between loosing bolts that have lived through 11 Pittsburgh winters I wrench on the CB.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Feb 17, 2015, 07:33:06
I have every confidence that anyone who has survived 11 Pittsburgh winters, is tough enough to make it through these times too.   ;) 
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 11, 2016, 02:22:10
so - this thing sat for a year. I couldn't manage to make myself work on it. I had it running like a bat out of hell. I moved cautiously around the block and then rolled into the throttle and man did it move. The shocks were shit and needed rebuilding, but the bike moved faster than it had since I purchased it a few years ago and then it just stopped...

I looked at everything I could think of: cam chain, carbs, fuel delivery, battery charge - nothing.

On Tuesday (a year later) I was out with a cold and decided to test my aftermarket handlebar controls. everything tested out fine. While I was poking around with my multimeter though I found a blown main fuse. It is entirely possible that I could have spent the past year riding this thing, but who knows. anyway, time away from projects gave me time to recharge my gumption.

E/?taken-by=cursh is a video of her firing up

I had a pair of those cheap ebay clip-ons and the bolt stripped that holds the bar to the fork tube. I could rethread it, but I'm not into the idea of handlebars being a fail part so I've ordered a pair of steel ones from DCC and a set of fork seals to go with it. If I ever have any free time I'll try to finish up the seat cover and then that will be that. Not much more for me to do to her.

Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 11, 2016, 02:24:46
cant get this link to work properly - i think the internet is trying to be smarter than me and it isn't helping. - anyway, if you hit up my instagram (@cursh) you can see her fire right up . . . I tried to remove those steps for your, but it didn't work out
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 07, 2016, 22:29:08
Whelp. Back at it again. I finally pulled the fork apart and cleaned checked one side. My springs are out of spec (18.75" vs the replacement spec of 18.8"). I'm having trouble finding replacement springs. Is this a CB360 thing (because they didn't make many?) or am I just doing a bad job of looking?

Whoever on here (I think it was PJ) suggested heating them up to pull the seals . . . you are a savior. I had a bearing puller and slide hammer from AutoZone and still couldn't get them. A little heat made all of the difference. I also did 90% of the alan bolt removal with a standard allen and a long socket for leverage. That sucked. The 6mm alan socket was clutch. Job went a lot faster after that. Before and after shot below fo a little cleaning and polishing.

(http://www.benlewiscreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_9318.jpg)

Title: Advancer.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 13, 2016, 14:27:25
So the timing advancer was loose and the notch that registers the advancer to the cam has been beaten up a bit. I'm guessing this is why I wasn't having any luck setting and keeping timing.

How do I remedy this? (without spending $$. I've vowed not to throw parts at this bike until it is running: at that point I'll likely get the PAMCO ignition) I was thinking I could pack that section up with some wet JB weld, cover it with cling wrap and install it. This should dry into something that reduces the registration tolerance back to an acceptable level.

Or I could just torque the bolt down to spec and assume that it won't move much (or, said another way, I could be more proactive about registering it while bolting it down.

In other news, the wiring was being wonky as eff, so I pulled it all off, drew up a diagram (always leave yourself notes) and redid the bullet connectors (I had some semi-permanent version from McMasterCarr that were impossible to disconnect.)

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13423590_149812052095188_441893422_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI4MDgwMzIxODc3OTE4OTc2OA%3D%3D.2)

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Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Jul 13, 2016, 20:10:52
Is the little pin that locks the advancer to the cam still installed?  Without it, the advancer will spin on the cam "out of time" with just the bolt holding it.
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Post by: trek97 on Jul 13, 2016, 20:20:17
(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-130716181357.png)

(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-130716181949.png)
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Post by: Cursh on Jul 23, 2016, 22:48:16
Thanks, Eric. I wouldn't have every discovered that if it were the problem.

 That pin is in there, but the area it notches into is about twice as large as the pin itself. For now, I've bolted it snug and the bike is running great.

I set the valves (first time doing that myself) and it made a big difference.

The cam was also installed 180deg off... I was reading through the July BOTM post and saw where PJ said I could have just swapped the wires :doh: maybe next time (if there is a next time.)

Right now I'm sewing a seat cover and planning new headlighting. My 4-year-old Chinese HIDs finally blew. With the charging system working properly I'll probably just get an H4 for the time being. It's too hot in AZ to ride right now anyway (summer is the new winter).

I've been doing some research on carbs and found some Royal Enfield VM28s that look to be jetted pretty closely to what our bikes need (for a hell of a lot less than the $400 some folks want for a pair of VM32s) I'm going to pick up a pair and play around with them when I start teaching again in the fall. For now, the stock carbs seem to be fine, but I've butchered them to heck figuring how to wrench (cap holes are stripped and have through bolts and nuts on them. pain in the ass to clean or re-jet) Starting to sew a seat cover together out of the goodwill couch I skinned... feels like a bike worth working on again. It's good to be out of the cold dark hole of an ill-tuned CB360 for a few moments.
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Post by: Cursh on Aug 26, 2016, 15:45:28
Pulled my Factory Tachometer apart to see if I Could squeeze a speedometer mechanism into it. So far it looks possible.

The second option is to redo the face to show speeds in gears at 5K and just get a feel for how fast I'm going by gear.  My tank sprung a leak, so my bike no longer runs. I'm going to do the tank right this time and am working on some little baby things in the meantime (like a charge warning light, high beam indicator, and neutral light built into the tach.)

Thoughts on this design? Not terribly far off the original.
I picked up a 60=2000 speedo a few years back that was always a bit off (said I was going 75 when I knew I wasn't) the math is that it reads 1.12 faster than it should. This gives the range from 0 to 90 on my bike an 180deg swing. I'll have to grind down the housing a bit, but I see what's what and I don't think the speedo will miss what needs to come off. It doesn't seem structural in any way.

Anyway - this is the art for the Gauge. Everything is going to be tight. It will be interested to see how much interference I get between the dual rotating magnets. Anyone have an idea how to disrupt a magnetic field? (another magnet, right?)

(http://www.benlewiscreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Screenshot-2016-08-26-11.36.28.png)
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Post by: trek97 on Aug 26, 2016, 20:16:16
Pretty cool idea.  Now, make it so.
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Post by: Cursh on Oct 01, 2016, 14:17:04
The thing is apart. I'm not sure how to protect the face from fading in the Arizona sun. I suspect that whatever I print will last about six minutes.

The tank didn't pass the chemical strip. The bottom is swiss cheese. It looks good though.

I picked up another tank at a local salvage for $20 and it's off to the strip club for some work. Heres to hoping that this one isn't as far gone. If it makes it out the other side in one piece I'll be moving the Petcock bung so that it clears the frame and carbs and removing the leveling tubes. I'm perfectly happy to tip the bike over to get to my "reserve" fuel if it means that I don't have gasoline leaking all over the place every time I need to pull the tank off the bike.

Heres the toasted tank on the bike. Looks good. Everything else is running great, just waiting on reliable fuel storage to get her on the road.

(https://instagram.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/14240984_550564835135380_5409272522015244288_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM0NjEwODM3ODE3MDIwMzEyOA%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Nov 11, 2016, 18:55:14
Trudging along on this one. I've been going through hell to title this bike in Arizona (despite having it previously registered in Alabama.)

Right now I'm waiting for a certified letter from GA (the last known title state) to tell me that they don't reissue titles more than 30 years old...  ::) Once that happens I get my cool as hell copper plate and I can start riding around without worrying that the police are going to pull me over and ask me a bunch of questions I can't answer.

I took the bike up to the local thought leader (French at Cycle Werks) on fixing these things and he told me a bunch of stuff to do before bringing it back. I like that people try to help me do it myself before they take my money. He also asked me if I was planning to flip it before he helped me suss out the existing problems. I'm charging at 14v at 3k so that isn't going to be a problem moving forward. Looks like I need to set the float height and replace a bunch of engine seals. At least this point I'll be taking her apart knowing that all of the pieces are in place that she should run when I put her back together. I move at the end of the month, so I'm going to wait until that happens to strip her down to her frame.

I also need to take another stab at the seat. The cover is bugging the shit out of me. This one won't be wrapped on a stock honda pan. It's just not worth the hassle to get everything right.

Lastly, I got my tach fixed up with the speed indicators. The outermost ring translates the RPM into speed at 25/50/75mph in 6th gear. Ring in from that is 5th, then 4th, etc... I rode it around today and it's surprisingly easy to use. It's nice knowing that I'm going a reasonable speed instead of just guessing.

I was stressing on how to get the graphic in there and then I remembered that stickers are cheap as crap. I ordered five because it was only a few bucks more than one. I laser cut a new base plate because I didn't want the old numbers showing through at night. looks good.

Now that stuff mostly runs, I'm looking forward to dialing this into being a real motorcycle that works and looks like someone older than the age of 14 put it together.
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Post by: Cursh on Nov 18, 2016, 11:07:02
just in case anyone wants to be nervous for my clutch fingers...

I made a brass knuckle clutch lever on the water jet. Now I'm just filing it down to fit the factory lever perch.

video of the process here: {
T/}


Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Nov 03, 2017, 12:24:41
So.... I guess I haven't posted anything here for a while:

I bought a HFT ultrasonic cleaner and sound blasted the nasty bits off of my carbs. I picked up a vintage wiring snap connector kit and a 1000ft of colored 16 ga wire.

I played through a couple of iterations on the wiring harness and landed on this with one caveat, Instead of tapping the parking light into the brake bulb, I wired it into the left signal after the flasher so that the ambers light front and back: I don't have the square plug main switch in there, but it ties power to a severed circuit in park and un-severs the circuit in the ignition position. (brown and brown white).

Everything works as it should (I haven't figured out the charge dummy light circuit yet). A few of the connections are a little short or a little long. I'm still playing with how to pull it all together behind the headlight.


Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Nov 03, 2017, 19:13:23
I pulled some bits off to try to figure out where the air leak is in the carbs. Iím going to double check pilot jets and air pathways and then recheck the float level. While I had the carbs off I pulled the clutch cable and ran into the problem of the replacement being too short. I pulled off a nut and still couldnít get it to work. I have a solid understanding of how that mechanism works (rotating the lever forces the 3 bearings out of their pockets exerting linear pressure on the clutch rod).

I have all the bits installed correctly and the bearing is in there. I can set the thing as tight as I like and it wonít ever engage the clutch. Iím not sure what thatís about. Maybe my clutch wasnít engaging as the bike died. I mostly roll it around in neutral, so I wouldnít have necessarily noticed. Any thoughts on this?

I canít get any movement at all out of the clutch lifter rod (lean on it like hell with whatever lever I can manage and it doesnít budge.)

I just ordered a full service gasket kit from Common Motor. That might be a more immediate need than Iíd realized. My guess is that I need to crack the clutch side case. Any other insight into this? I feel supper close and super far away all at once.

On a more fun note, I played with the giant water laser at work and made a shroud out of brass sheet metal to hide my ever growing nest of electronics behind the headlight. Iím happy with how it turned out. Iím not sure why I thought I needed those cut outs around the headlight bolts. They look like poop and donít appear to do anything functional. I guess I should be more sober when I design stuff on the computer.
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Post by: Pete12 on Nov 03, 2017, 20:07:08
Just a thought with your clutch, it's a bit hard to see from your photos but perhaps your knuckleduster clutch lever has reduced the lever travel somewhat.

Great job on the headlight shroud btw, it looks awesome..
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Post by: Cursh on Nov 03, 2017, 23:18:06
Just a thought with your clutch, it's a bit hard to see from your photos but perhaps your knuckleduster clutch lever has reduced the lever travel somewhat.

Great job on the headlight shroud btw, it looks awesome..

That would be very easy to test for. Thanks for the lead. I was going to mill out a longer version to accommodate for the new headlight controls. It would be good to know it's not the wrong shape before milling the next iteration.

Glad you like the shroud. I wasn't sure how i'd like it. I'm really happy with how it turned out. I'm gonna do another without the crescent around the headlight bolts. It looks like everything else will fit. I might make a black acrylic organization plate for the forward connections. They are a bit crazy at the moment.

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Post by: Cursh on Nov 09, 2017, 16:34:35
I got a service gasket kit from Common-Motor and decided to pull the clutch side cover and poke around. The centrifugal filter was pretty clean and everything looked proper, disassembled easily and moved freely where appropriate.

The oil filter screen isn't fully covering the oil feeder tube. It looks like I'm on my own to find a NOS one of those. I can't seem to find any remanufactured or available NOS. Anyone hacked something together down there that they were happy with?

Cheers.
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Post by: irk miller on Nov 09, 2017, 23:32:44
What exactly do you need?  I might have it here.
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Post by: trek97 on Nov 10, 2017, 17:39:28
is this what your hunting...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcb360+oil+pickup.TRS2&_nkw=cb360+oil+pickup&_sacat=0
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Post by: Sonreir on Nov 10, 2017, 17:52:56
Nah... you want the CJ one.
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Post by: trek97 on Nov 10, 2017, 18:18:27
Nah... you want the CJ one.

Virtually unobtainable these days.
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Post by: irk miller on Nov 10, 2017, 19:39:21
Virtually unobtainable these days.
I just bought one on eBay ;)
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Post by: Cursh on Nov 11, 2017, 04:07:09
I just bought one on eBay ;)

I think I did too, but we will see when it gets here. I've got a friend in town so the bike is just sitting in pieces in a very messy garage. Į\_(ツ)_/Į 

I also found out that I've got the CJ360 air boxes on this one. Dunno if the P.O. swapped them or if the bike came that way. Second question, does anyone know if the part numbers for all of the 77s are all going to go away at the end of the year? If so I need to figure out how to download the parts pages for the '77 CJ360 before that happens. I'm also guessing that some place has the older part numbers archived that I don't know about?

Anyway, just realized that my current way of tracking down part numbers is going to go sideways in 2018
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Post by: ridesolo on Nov 11, 2017, 07:17:18
I just bought one on eBay ;)

I've got one, too... for all the difference it makes.  My understanding is that the reason Honda made the change from the CB/CL pickup to the CJ style is to prevent oil starvation if the thing is left idling, on the side stand, when it's down a little on oil.  However, like I said, I have one; had the opportunity to get it while I had the engine apart so I figured "what the heck" and made the change.  From what I've read, the original is up to the task as long as you keep your oil level where it should be.  Bottom line: I had the chance to get one so I did, but I wouldn't be losing any sleep if I didn't have it.
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Post by: irk miller on Nov 11, 2017, 08:08:30
I've got one, too... for all the difference it makes.  My understanding is that the reason Honda made the change from the CB/CL pickup to the CJ style is to prevent oil starvation if the thing is left idling, on the side stand, when it's down a little on oil.  However, like I said, I have one; had the opportunity to get it while I had the engine apart so I figured "what the heck" and made the change.  From what I've read, the original is up to the task as long as you keep your oil level where it should be.  Bottom line: I had the chance to get one so I did, but I wouldn't be losing any sleep if I didn't have it.
I mean, I just bought one.  You can still get them, but you have to keep up with eBay.  They show up, but then go quickly because they're sought after.  I bought mine within 20 minutes of it being listed.
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Post by: Cursh on Nov 14, 2017, 15:56:33
So, the thing I picked up on ebay was for the CB/CL - nothing fancy like IRK found on the webz. I also managed to isolate my points cover using heat shrink around the bolts, o rings at the heads and two gaskets. No more points grounding on teh cover for this cat.

I also vented the cover so that I won't demag another Charlies Place ignition. For now I'm just fuxing with points until I can be sure it isn't running hotter than normal.

I think the clutch issue was due to the clutch lever. That's really too bad. I have two of those brass knuckle bad boys. I was going to try to sell them to make the money buy another round of brass stock. i guess I could grind off the lever and just have a pair of brass knuckles, but I don't want/need those and don't think I can sell them legally as weapons.

Tomorrow is my no-screen day(mon/wed), so I should have some time to get back to putting all the appropriate pieces in place. I also have to try to build a jig for these Chinese take out planters that I've been thinking about, but I'd also like to see this thing fire up again if I can swing it. I signed up for a motorcycle rider course to ease my wife's concern on riding regularly. I keep pushing the course date back due to a bike that isn't reliable enough to get to the track. Making those calls every 3 weeks to reschedule seem to be good enough motivation that it won't likely sit for another 3 years again this time.

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Post by: irk miller on Nov 14, 2017, 17:53:58
I also managed to isolate my points cover using heat shrink around the bolts, o rings at the heads and two gaskets. No more points grounding on teh cover for this cat.
Just paint the inside of the cover with liquid electrical tape...

(https://images.hdsupplysolutions.com/image/upload/d_no_image.gif,f_auto,fl_lossy,h_350,q_auto,w_350/365526_K.tif_K_L.jpg)
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 15, 2017, 10:35:00
Ok. Bike runs great. I basically just had to take all the pieces scattered across the floor and put them back onto the bike. Pretty simple, really.

The points didnít work for shit (which was a bit of a blessing) they werenít conducting through their contact surfaces. I tried dragging paper and even pulling an emery board through there and nothing. No idea. Gapped and timed correctly. No spark. While trying to track that situation down I pulled the clutch cover, cleaned the oil centrifuge, found that the pump filter screen had a hole in it, and replaced everything that looked like it could use a bit of love.

The clutch not working was 100% improper adjustment due to a weirdly lengthens clutch cable. I sliced a bit of housing off and now have something that is within the adjustable range. The brass knuckle lever works fine. My only concern is that the clutch doesnít really slip that much. Bike is hard to roll with the clutch fully disengaged. Anyone?

Charlieís place sent out a new magnet for the ignition. Damn I love that ignition. I hope it can handle the Arizona summers. Hogging out the points cover should help. Maybe I just leave it off in the summer. Maybe I can put my own damn replacement magnets in it when it fails. Maybe the bike isnít overheating anymore. Į\_(ツ)_/Į

I totally biffed the gasket install and have another on the way. I tore the shot out of that gasket In try me to install it. Oh well.

Lastly the dual relays didnít quite cut it. Iíve got a single relay with two throws that might do thee trick. For now Iím just going to ride the sucker and tear into the blown head (fingers crossed) on the Ascot.

It only took me 8 years to get this thing running
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Post by: Sonreir on Dec 15, 2017, 10:37:26
The clutch not working was 100% improper adjustment due to a weirdly lengthens clutch cable. I sliced a bit of housing off and now have something that is within the adjustable range. The brass knuckle lever works fine. My only concern is that the clutch doesnít really slip that much. Bike is hard to roll with the clutch fully disengaged. Anyone?

Congrats on have a runner. Good feeling. :)

For the quoted section, that's not an uncommon problem to have. It should (mostly) go away when the engine warms up. If not, you may have a little more adjustment to do.
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 15, 2017, 12:16:55
Not sure how I managed to miss this for so long?
Anyway, clutch cable inner too short is very common problem which has been known about for several years.
Points cover - meh, did that on Brendon's 5~6 yrs ogo
Do you have heavy duty springs fitted?
You didn't fit Barnett plates?
 Clutch plates are all flat?
Oil viscosity?
It's kinda normal to have clutch drag with a wet clutch, when engine is hot and running it's spinning fast enough to centrifuge oil off the surfaces. I've been drilling clutch hubs to increase flow for ??? years, it also helps cool clutch with higher flow through it (and doesn't cause slip, helps prevent it by 'washing' plates when clutch is lifted)
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 16, 2017, 11:22:05
Thanks, Eric.

It feels like 50% of my problems were me ducking shit up and the other 50% was me not getting out of my own way. The pieces sat on the floor of the garage for way too long.

Points cover - meh, did that on Brendon's 5~6 yrs ogo
And I bet someone did it 5-6 years before that Į\_(ツ)_/Į Iím not trying to innovate here. Just trying to feel the breeze through my beard, lol.
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Do you have heavy duty springs fitted?
You didn't fit Barnett plates?
 Clutch plates are all flat?
Oil viscosity?
1)No idea, so probs not. Honda tech I bought it from in Ď09 was turning barn pulls into runners.
2) same
3) good question. Iíll check when I install the new new gasket. Thanks. I assume laying them against a piece of glass is a good enough method to test?
4) 10w40 mobil1 full synth 4 stroke. I usually use Valvoline Dino.
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It's kinda normal to have clutch drag with a wet clutch, when engine is hot and running it's spinning fast enough to centrifuge oil off the surfaces. I've been drilling clutch hubs to increase flow for ??? years, it also helps cool clutch with higher flow through it (and doesn't cause slip, helps prevent it by 'washing' plates when clutch is lifted)
Thanks. Thatís good insight into whatís happening.

Re: drilling clutch hubs. Is that a precision process or something I could accomplish with a bench drill press? Iím assuming you drill holes in the sides to allow oil to flow across the plate faces and out (centrifugally). Care to share some of the specifics? Hole diameter you use? Frequency? I had a heck of a time finding anything in search.

Iím all about a cooler clutch. Anything to keep temps down in AZ is a mod worth pursuing. It would also give me something to do when installing the snew gasket.

You can see the overnight oil loss after the neighborhood test ride.
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Post by: trek97 on Dec 16, 2017, 12:21:07
Heres how I drilled mine.  Not the best angle on pic but its the jist of it.

Simply 2 pairs of the 3 holes opposite of each other and 2 pairs of 2 holes opposite. Drilled by hand w Dremel to chamfer.

(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-220516060423.jpeg)
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Post by: trek97 on Dec 16, 2017, 12:26:11
Im afraid your points may be exposed to more dirt and gunk being open like that.
Probably fine for electronic ignitions.
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 16, 2017, 12:49:15
Trek is great for adding stuff to pictures to explain whats going on.   ;D (I think it's so obvious I rarely describe what is happening after I've done it)
The 3-2-3-2 sequence has '2' holes 'between' the  '3' holes. It can be done with a and drill but bench drill is better. Can't remember size, something that doesn't scratch area where plate tangs ride
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 16, 2017, 12:50:19
I have the technology! Ivan do that. Thanks so much.

Out of curiosity, any reason for the two vs three holes? Looks great. I wouldnít have guessed it was a hand job.

I figured I could grab a new points cover from the scrap yard if I need to go back to points. It just seems to be a heat game. Hopefully I can fix the Ascot (water cooled) before summer comes back. I may try to trade it for a gen 2  Toyota Hilux. I like the idea of being younger than most of my shit and there is a guy who seems to like the Ascot who has one.
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Post by: crazypj on Dec 16, 2017, 13:01:26
No real reason except I'm not an engineer so don't want to lose any strength in clutch hub. The holes are large enough to prevent oil build up, you often find clutch hub as acted as a secondary centrifugal filter  ;D
 I also drill a 10mm hole opposite the one where hold down spring fits, not enough to affect balance (it should improve it)  It just looks better to me  ;)
If you don't have 'race' clutch springs, it's one of the cheapest and best modifications you can do
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Post by: trek97 on Dec 16, 2017, 22:20:03
Heavy duty cb350 clutch springs I have.  They work well for 360, I wouldn't use anything else.  And ON SALE.   8)

https://bore-tech.com/product/350-clutch-springs-cs-4
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 19, 2017, 11:49:14
The idiot of the week award probably goes to this guy, because... well.. I'll let you guess how I pulled this off.

The good news is I just took the bike around the block and put it back in the garage because I was certain that it wasn't worth riding far with the oil leak. This gives me ample time to order those springs and wait for my eBay replacement part to arrive. Thank God for eBay.

The gap between the notches in the clutch basket are .14 inches so I used a 1/8" bit to drill the holes. Looking forward to another step closer to knowing what the fu*k I'm doing =P
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 19, 2017, 12:41:58
Question for trek, how the dump did you chamfer those holes closest to the back. do you have a through bit or something?

Statement for PJ: I'm gonna stress test this "looks better with matching holes" theory" I'm in for 4 matching holes v the one spring 10m that comes factory. This part is pretty overbuilt (said the guy who snapped a gear in half with his hand tools)

I think you could slot out those drain holes without impacting the strength of the part (my local hobbyist metal shop closed, so I'm no longer able to do that, unfortunately.)
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 19, 2017, 13:39:53
Checked the oil pump and it was catching a bit. pulled the drive gear and the spindle was bent.

So what's the difference between the CB and CJ oil pumps? The part numbers are the same.
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Post by: Sonreir on Dec 19, 2017, 13:42:02
The pumps are the same, it's the pickup that's different.
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 19, 2017, 13:56:07
Oh...dope

I've already got one of those (apparently) engine wasn't tapped for the CB360 one. case still reads CB

(part number checks with CB360t)
-15421-388-000 for reference for anyone who accidentally lands here
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Post by: irk miller on Dec 19, 2017, 14:06:21
Just to make sure it's clear-  you want to have the CJ pickup, not the CB pickup.  I think that's what you mean, but just making sure.
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 19, 2017, 14:09:11
Just to make sure it's clear-  you want to have the CJ pickup, not the CB pickup.  I think that's what you mean, but just making sure.

Yup. CB360t used the same pickup. I'd swapped it out with the older one when I replaced the screen. Screen fits on both, so now the better one is in there.

I'm still not sure what is better about it. The internals all look the same. no 3rd bolt feels like a really small gain for those few times you need to pull the thing. Weight savings? lol
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Post by: irk miller on Dec 19, 2017, 14:15:05
Yup. CB360t used the same pickup. I swapped the old one in as a replacement instead of using the screen. Not sure what is better about it. The internals all look the same. no 3rd bolt feels like a really small gain for those few times you need to pull the thing.
CB and CJ pickups are not the same.  You have two CB pickups

CB-
(https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/m/mB4-ltkwxS_xy-RagtDka1w/s-l225.jpg)

CJ-
(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/77150-191217121414.jpeg)
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Post by: Cursh on Dec 19, 2017, 14:20:12
Aw dump. ok. I cross referenced the part numbers and thought I knew what y'all were talking about.

Really earning that idiot of the week award. Thanks, Irk.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Dec 19, 2017, 14:27:45
Haha. Don't sweat it, homeboy.  For reference, which I've confused in the past, CB/CL= same; CJ= longer.  That extra nose and the rubber cover (acts like a snorkel) on the pickup is why it's better.  That's still in oil while it's on the side stand.  No long term running on the side stand, no big deal regardless of what pickup you have. 
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Dec 28, 2017, 10:36:26
I've got all the pieces necessary to get this bike back on the road today. Christmas slowed up some serious eBay orders (DAMN YOU JESUSANTA!)

Anyway. I've got two errant washers/spacers that don't appear in the Honda Shop Manual anywhere. I tried putting the larger one behind the clutch basket and it seemed to mess with how the clutch engaged. Any ideas?

Smaller one is:

ID: 10.3mm
OD. 16mm
Thick: 3.5mm

Larger one is:

ID: 18.3mm
OD: 28mm
Thick 1.5mm

<3 you guys. Thanks.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Dec 28, 2017, 11:16:39
Looks like the big washer is a part of the kickstarter:

PN:90451-357-000

Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Dec 28, 2017, 13:17:24
Damn. So, I've still got two unknown washers. The baby from before (that is more of a spacer)

Both look like they've lived their entire lives inside the engine (no corrosion)

The new big washer is:

26.5MM ID
40mm OD
1.5mm thick

It doesn't have any rotational wear marks that I could use to find what it mates with. I checked the bulk Honda elements parts I bought from a dude to make sure it wasn't a vehicle cross contamination. That doesn't seem to be the case. I can't find a 26.5mm washer anywhere in the world wide net for this machine.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: ridesolo on Dec 28, 2017, 14:56:18
Damn. So, I've still got two unknown washers. The baby from before (that is more of a spacer)

Both look like they've lived their entire lives inside the engine (no corrosion)

The new big washer is:

26.5MM ID
40mm OD
1.5mm thick

It doesn't have any rotational wear marks that I could use to find what it mates with. I checked the bulk Honda elements parts I bought from a dude to make sure it wasn't a vehicle cross contamination. That doesn't seem to be the case. I can't find a 26.5mm washer anywhere in the world wide net for this machine.

I haven't gone out and measured so I could be off, but your larger washer/spacer looks a bit like what you get in the package from All Balls as part of one of the steering head bearing kits.  I think most of their kits come w/ a couple of those big washers in different thicknesses.  Perhaps? Maybe? ???
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 28, 2017, 19:58:49
I've got all the pieces necessary to get this bike back on the road today. Christmas slowed up some serious eBay orders (DAMN YOU JESUSANTA!)

Anyway. I've got two errant washers/spacers that don't appear in the Honda Shop Manual anywhere. I tried putting the larger one behind the clutch basket and it seemed to mess with how the clutch engaged. Any ideas?

Smaller one is:

ID: 10.3mm
OD. 16mm
Thick: 3.5mm

Larger one is:

ID: 18.3mm
OD: 28mm
Thick 1.5mm

<3 you guys. Thanks.

smaller one looks like it came of the O-ring end of the oil pickup tube.  Let me think on the lager one a bit.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 28, 2017, 20:08:44
In phish you can see it on the tube...but no part # for it.

(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-281217180736.png)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 28, 2017, 20:10:21
You can see its on the left on in your photo.
(http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60909.0;attach=198662;image)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 28, 2017, 20:13:06
Let me dig I may have a kickstarter around here...
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 28, 2017, 20:24:40
I believe you are correct...kickstarter washer.
(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-281217182311.jpeg)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Dec 28, 2017, 20:28:50
Thanks Eric. You are correct on both. I hope your bike is apart and you didn't drain the oil just to toss a caliper on that washer for me =)

I also think I figured out what the 26.5mm washer was from. I vaguely recall two washers being between the clutch and block. When I tried to put both washers back there I couldn't fit the snap ring on (no idea why. I haven't cracked the bottom half yet.) Maybe the P.O. put it back there? Į\_(ツ)_/Į

Either way, I can't fit the one that matches the wear marks on the crank case (which I wasn't looking to have identified because it was pretty clear it was between the clutch and case). The snap ring won't seat when its on there. I've got the mystery washer in there and everything seems to be working as it should. It slides between the crank case and #2 on the diagram here.

(https://images.cmsnl.com/img/partslists/honda-cb360tk0-1975-usa-transmission_bighu0044e7114_4637.gif)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 28, 2017, 20:36:19
(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-281217183411.jpeg)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 28, 2017, 20:39:41
Thanks Eric. You are correct on both. I hope your bike is apart and you didn't drain the oil just to toss a caliper on that washer for me =)

Haha, nope.  But 360 is coming apart as soon as Rachels 400 is finished.

Sorry no help here for your clutch mystery washer.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Dec 28, 2017, 21:05:58
But 360 is coming apart as soon as Rachels 400 is finished.

It's on now.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 29, 2017, 06:38:58
It's on now.

?
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: irk miller on Dec 29, 2017, 08:32:06
?

378 conversion
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: trek97 on Dec 29, 2017, 17:51:41
378 conversion

10-4 bro. 
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on Dec 31, 2017, 14:25:02
I wouldn't worry about oil pump pick up, it works fine.
The only time it could be an issue is if oil level is low, side stand mount is worn and you park on a heavily cambered road.
If you keep oil between the marks and check it plus don't run bike when it's 'laying on it's side' everything is good
 I 'countersunk' the holes with a ball end cutter in Dremel on the inside, don't do anything except scrape off burrs  inside the drive slots
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on Jan 02, 2018, 16:00:07
I'm a bit late on this one, but the larger washer might be a thrust washer for the camshaft? Did you have the top end apart?
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 06, 2018, 12:33:52
Figured out the extra washer.

The one I was installing as the factory spacer between the clutch and the block was a spacer from a threaded bicycle headset. It happened to be the exact same size as the wear marks on the case.  It was too thick to allow the circlip to snap into the shaft.

I figured it out when I was rebuilding a bike headset and rcognized the size and thickness.

question
Anyone ever had trouble with spark plugs staying tight in helicoils?

too much context
Iím also having some trouble syncing the carbs. It said that I had bad compression or late valve timing. I took the side covers off to put that oil pickup washer on and install an OEM stator side cover (the one I got Ďon eBay for the clutch side was soooo much nicer than the paper gaskets I picked up from common motor. Figured Iíd use the good stuff while I could still find it.)

While the covers were off I had 130 right cyl and 120 left, so that checks out.
Both plugs were a little loose. I had to put helicoils in because I buggered the left and it shot out on a ride back in early 2014. The plugs feel a little looser in them than Iím used to. Same was true of the compression tool, so when they are tight they work fine. Just wondering if I should be using a mild thread locker with the helicoils.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on Jan 08, 2018, 21:27:37
I have no idea how many thousands of Helicoils I've fitted?
If the 'Helicoil', Recoil, or inserts were done right they will be much stronger than original material and plugs will not  loosen without using a socket.out
It used to be common practice to Helicoil brand new VW Beetle crankcases  so you could use 'top' torque without worrying about pulling studs
If plugs are loosening up you need to tighten them further, if they pull inserts, you did something 'bad'
Threadlock is a REALLY BAD IDEA, do not use any on spark plugs. What will happen is plugs lock to Helicoil which then screws up everything when you try and remove them and inserts mess up whats left of treads in head. (I've had to repair way too many 'fixed' threads)

As for carb sync, should be simple enough if adjuster screw and left / right sections of throttle shaft extensions are more or less  parallel. The washers and spring are set properly
 You are 'snapping' throttle open then allowing it to snap shut? The sudden open and close allows various parts to align
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jan 08, 2018, 23:41:34
Thanks, PJ. It looks like I wasnít tightening them down enough. I was worried I was stripping them and  stopped before the crush washer set.


I also wasnít snapping the throttle.


Gonna double check the valves later this week and bench synch the carbs. Iím almost certain I put them way out of whack when I was trying to synch them.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 21, 2018, 11:51:54
So, the high pipes were putting too much heat next to the electronic ignition. The wrap seems to have solved that. I also figure out why I had no luck balancing the carbs. The copper crush washer was missing on one side of the exhaust. Iíve replaced both and now I get no flow on the other side. Iím going to pull the carbs again and take a look at them. No idea what it could be. Iíve got a second set of factory carbs so I have jets for days. The diaphragms are both new circa 6 months ago.


I donít love the copper. I had tan wrap, but it looks like you need to use sealer or your wrap just degrades and falls off. I couldnít find any sealer that wasnít colored. Iíve got so,e almond high heat paint and can try to move it back to the natural wrap colorist of room for error there.


Anyway, progress, but still just an idling paperweight.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 21, 2018, 11:53:09
Another...
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Feb 21, 2018, 11:54:01
A little fun with metallic sharpies.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on Feb 21, 2018, 12:12:04
I dig it.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Apr 02, 2018, 02:29:03
Had an issue with the electronic ignition that was throwing me. I was able to find some help from folks on here, which I very much appreciate. Back to points for me.


With the bike running I noticed some body panel chatter. The CB450 tank channel isnít quite wide enough for the CB360 frame. I tested [picture 2] out on the tank that rusted through and it worked fine. I didnít want to heat or spark anything.

Played around with a few things that Iíve been thinking about working on while trying to figure out the engine troubles. I had a pair of awkward sized bright orange water bottles from an event and decided to mark them up as little fuel tanks. Dunno. Should get me 8-10 miles in a pinch. Among other things iíd need to make fuel safe caps.

I found four of the bag at the thrift store a few years back. It clears the kick starter in that spot. Iíll have to grind off the seat tabs when I make the new seat. Then the bag will sit right.


The leathers from a skinned couch. Iíve got a feint idea of a tiny rear rack just behind the seat and above the rear fender. I canít quite wrap my head around it yet.


Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Apr 13, 2018, 17:21:38
Okay. So this thing is running fantastically. It pulls hard all the way to redline, doesn't overheat, and sounds like an angry singer sewing machine.


I've gotten to the point where I always assume whatever is wrong is the worst thing, and i've been wrong the last two times.


I was having some trouble with my wiring. Turned out the ground cable to the headlights had a break in the line (replaced the ground and everything works just as it should.) I also stripped out one of the points screws. Turned out the screw threads had fallen apart. I was expecting to have to size up and rethread the points plate. I was lucky enough to just have to replace the screw.

I've got all the functionality I was looking for. When I hit the pass button on my controls it either flashes the headlight on or off depending on its resting state. The dummy charge light works great. I'll update the wiring diagram in case anyone is looking for something.


It looks like i need to get a weaker H4 or pick up an LED bulb from Common Motor. With the light on the system doesn't quite keep up (especially with city riding.)


Anyway, Just in time for riding season to be over in AZ =P


Here she is. Now I can start working on the back half (seat/fender/rear turn signals)

I've got a motogadget mWave and some LED replacement turn and tail bulbs on the way to further reduce the draw on the charge system. I'll take a short video of the whole bit when I get the mWave installed. Should look like a motogadget hooked up to factory controls =P
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on Apr 13, 2018, 20:39:23
I use 35/35w H4 bulbs, they are real common on various scooters (so pretty cheap)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Apr 13, 2018, 22:55:39
Woah. Thatís dope news. I thought they were all 35w until you said something. Iím betting I could roll with high beam on at 5k on back roads no problems on a good stock stator?


Thanks PJ
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on Apr 14, 2018, 21:16:11
'Standard' H4 is 60/55w, high power, 100~120/ 55w (illegal for road use)
You can use 60/55w but need to stay over 7,000 rpm much of the time
35/35w were also ( first?) used in 1986~87(?) Yamaha FZR 1000
Chinese scooters using them dropped price by about 70%~85%.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Apr 16, 2018, 13:13:27
Moto mWave showed up. Hereís the whole shebang in all of its functional glory.


https://youtu.be/aGKFmK7vdoU (https://youtu.be/aGKFmK7vdoU)


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The flashing headlight is me hitting the ďpassĒ button on the kawi control I used for the left. (Headlight off and it provides power. On and it cuts the headlight ground. Works no matter what)


Iíve also got a strobe hooked to the brake for better vis. I still need to fab up a mounting playlet for the rear signals. I think the new seat will allow me to use the old rear fender mounts.


Proud to be at this point.


LED bulbs on the way from super bright.
A bunch of random missing pieces from 4into1 (and my 35w H4 bulb)
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Post by: trek97 on Apr 16, 2018, 22:21:30
(http://www.dotheton.com/gallery/11494-200816163635.png)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 19, 2018, 16:15:44
I was running errands today on the 360 and it turned into an impromptu desert ride. 60 miles at 88 degrees. Both sides of the engine were around 310 degrees when I got back, so Iím guessing that itís pretty close to spot on (maybe running a little rich.)


The bike is supper peppy up to about 60mph and then seems pretty disappointed to have a full tank of gas and 220 lbs of rider/gear. Is that all Iím going to get out of this bike with stock air/fuel/exhaust? (Iím not mad about it if it is.)


It doesnít have a problem pulling through 7000rpm at lower speeds. Anywhere youíd start for more power? Iím really attached to my stock scrambler exhaust and very tame exhaust note. Im not really willing to swap that bit out for power. That may mean that Iím living my life quite shy of the ton =P maybe itís time for me to migrate over to that site about Honda twins. Lol.


Iím guessing I could also try to get the vt500 running. That would be a ďquickĒ ten horses.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 19, 2018, 16:17:41
I should also mention that I donít have a speedo so Iím guessing based on RPM and the rough 25/50/75mph Indication markets I added to te tach. Flow of traffic and speed limits support my guess of 65. Didnít have my phone or a mount to use for GPS speed. I guess that could be an easy next step.
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Post by: Cursh on May 19, 2018, 16:47:39
I also cut some tank stripes out of brass sheet and paints them to match the headlight shroud. Iím not sure about them. The blue doesnít really contrast as nicely with the raw tank as the polished brass did. I may pick up a paint pen and try a white outline. My friend just picked up all the pin striping materials, so if it looks right, I can make it into something worth having on there.


Dunno. Into feedback.


I also made a custom desert water bag. It still needs a light wax (I used cotton duck instead of linen duck, so it leaks a bit more than it should. With oboe 1.25 L of capacity that means itís empty after a long ride, which isnít the point. Iíve added straps to tie it to the headlight ears or for triple tree. It sits lightly on the front fender. The goal is a bit of a seamp cooling effect. And, itís badass tech that weíve just abandoned for shit powered byelectricity. Electricity is lazy as fuck.


Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on May 20, 2018, 21:53:58
You have to red line it for max performance, often it's going to be quicker in 5th gear than 6th.Stock, it should be capable of running to the 'far end of red section, but unless you did the oil mods it's a bad idea. Your engine temps are interesting, shows 360's run hot. Was the temp at case or head? (that's hot for engine covers )
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 20, 2018, 22:02:21
Thatís at the spark plugs and around the surrounding fins. I was seeing very low 300s previously on the right with ~ 370 on the left. This is from a $30 hft IR temp gun. I stated taking the temp from there because I was worried about the electronic ignition. Now Iím back to points, so It just habit to look there. Iíll take temp from the cases.


Iím running 20w50 and cleaned out/ replaced the oil pump and drilled out the clutch basket. Dunno if other mods need to be done. Probably not worth redlining it in the summer. Itís already 100deg + degrees cold. I also donít know if thatís something to be paranoid of.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on May 20, 2018, 22:12:36
You need to do the oil transfer piece mod to increase oil flow. I thought you did it when clutch cover was off?I stopped using 20w/50 a long time ago, becuase it's 'thicker' at all temps the top end tends to wear/seize quicker than using 10w/40 (or, 5w/40 full synthetic Rottella + about 3/4 oz ZDDP)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 20, 2018, 23:13:19
Nope. I missed that when I was in there.


Local vintage twin mechanic was telling me to only run 20w50 here because itís never under 100 degrees from June to October. I donít know if that tracks. Oil is cheaper than an overhaul, so Iím happy to run to Walmart or oreielys to get 5w rosella if the 20w50 is such a bad idea.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 21, 2018, 17:57:47
On a similar ride today I got these temp readings after running in to grab the temp gun (~5 min?)


Outside temp: 93 degrees (yahoo)
left case (stator) at Honda emblem 138 deg
right case (clutch) at Honda emblem 137 deg
Center of block (around the cam chain tensioner nut) 205 degrees.


Thoughts?


I've got the most minor of oil leaks from the left sprocket cover area. I'll swap out the oil while modifying the oil transfer piece and replace the requisite gaskets/plugs. (unless I have to split the cases to do that. I'm not really interested in that yet.)


I should be using standard 10w40 despite high temps here and no possibility of temps below 45?
Is rotella 5w40 a better way to go? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting info. This bike doesn't see cold.


Thanks for all the help.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on May 21, 2018, 18:14:18
The only temp I'd worry about would be right at the head, near the spark plug hole. That's the closest part, on the outside, that you can get to the inside. Anything over 400įF would start to worry me.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on May 22, 2018, 09:44:15
I would pull clutch cover and do oil mod first, MiniatureNinja took pics of his so it should be easy to find. It's rarely much over 90 in Florida but I would use the Rottella with a little ZDDP added anyway, it's thinner so will protect cam bearings better at high temps. (less likely to build enough pressure to 'open' transfer piece)After oil  mod is done, 25/50 should be OK?
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Post by: Cursh on May 30, 2018, 13:48:34
Man oh man. I'm loosing bolts left and right.


Two weeks ago my lower muffler shield fell off. A week after that the exhaust heat shield lost a bolt and just now my muffler bolt came loose and I about lost both my mufflers.


I've been using blue loctite. I guess I'll clean up the threads? Maybe weld on new exhaust nuts (would nylock survive exhaust temps?) The only thing that isn't stock is that the lower muffler is clamped on instead of welded. Would that make a big enough difference?


Anyway... Does anyone have a solution to this type of stuff?
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on May 30, 2018, 14:00:20
Most bolts shouldn't need loctite if they're torqued properly?
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: farmer92 on May 30, 2018, 21:36:55
Most bolts shouldn't need loctite if they're torqued properly?

It shows that you havenít had your t500 running yet

But yeah, they shouldnít come loose if they were torqued properly and have locktite.
Maybe consider some lock washers in there. They usually help a bit in slowing down the speed that they fall out.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 30, 2018, 22:49:10
It shows that you havenít had your t500 running yet (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png)

But yeah, they shouldnít come loose if they were torqued properly and have locktite.
Maybe consider some lock washers in there. They usually help a bit in slowing down the speed that they fall out.


I appreciate that. I'll try lock washers. I'm afraid I've lost thread to an apish younger version of myself.


All but the muffler mount were factory Philips head. Those cam out when you get them too tight and I'm more of an over tightener than an under tightener, so I'm skeptical that I'm just loosing all of this because of improper torque. If I'm talking out of my recovering academic ass, I apologize ahead of time. I do that and wish I didn't except that sometimes folks call me on it and it helps me understand where my thinking is off.


-cheers.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on May 30, 2018, 23:20:14
On a similar ride today I got these temp readings after running in to grab the temp gun (~5 min?)


Outside temp: 93 degrees (yahoo)
left case (stator) at Honda emblem 138 deg
right case (clutch) at Honda emblem 137 deg
Center of block (around the cam chain tensioner nut) 205 degrees.


Thoughts?


I've got the most minor of oil leaks from the left sprocket cover area. I'll swap out the oil while modifying the oil transfer piece and replace the requisite gaskets/plugs. (unless I have to split the cases to do that. I'm not really interested in that yet.)


I should be using standard 10w40 despite high temps here and no possibility of temps below 45?
Is rotella 5w40 a better way to go? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting info. This bike doesn't see cold.


Thanks for all the help.
Those teps are real low, actually low enough to get condensation  build up over time. Most of the water vapour will evaporate but really needs sustained 210+ to keep oil 'dry' as any water will boil off

As for bits falling off, 360 doesn't vibrate that bad, unless something isn't right? How are chain and sprockets? They are about the only things that can cause 'bad' vibrations, the rest are relatively high frequency, either bolts were not tight enough, were wrong grade and broke or were in a repeat heat/cool cycle that caused them to loosen. Accoerding to NASA, lock washers are likely to cause more problems than they cure, just use blue loctite with dry threads (it won't work on anything getting hot though)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 31, 2018, 11:16:21
As for bits falling off, 360 doesn't vibrate that bad, unless something isn't right? How are chain and sprockets? They are about the only things that can cause 'bad' vibrations, the rest are relatively high frequency, either bolts were not tight enough, were wrong grade and broke or were in a repeat heat/cool cycle that caused them to loosen. Accoerding to NASA, lock washers are likely to cause more problems than they cure, just use blue loctite with dry threads (it won't work on anything getting hot though)


Anything Iím looking for sprockets/chain to be bad? I assume if they are out of round/flat weíve got a Problem. I just replaced the rear tire tube and possibly over tightened the chain (it was pretty loose before.) Iíll double check spec in the shop manual and fix it if I over did it. Iím grabbing a new chain as well. Iíll gather some bolts


Iím guessing I mixed in some low grade bolts too. Iíll see what happens when I replace them with graded bolts instead of bolts from the bits and bolts bin.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on May 31, 2018, 11:34:05
Chain too tight is worse than chain too loose in almost all cases. Stock adjustment only works with stock length shocks, generally it's best to have everything 'in line'  (center of axle, swing arm pivot, sprocket center) and set around 10mm ~ 3/8" at tightest point
Check sprockets for wear, hooking, broken teeth, etc, you will be wasting money fitting a new chain to worn sprockets.It's probably a good idea to check tyre balance as well while your doing stuff, rear wheel out of balance is way more important than people realise
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Sonreir on May 31, 2018, 11:58:14
It shows that you havenít had your t500 running yet

Ouch. That one cuts close. ;D
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on May 31, 2018, 12:57:21
It's probably a good idea to check tyre balance as well while your doing stuff, rear wheel out of balance is way more important than people realise


Boom. That makes the most sense to me. I didn't remount the tire in the same way it was originally mounted and I didn't balance after replacing the tube. I'll double check the chain, replace my missing bolts with good bolts and balance the tires.


If I keep loosing bolts I'll sure as shit let everyone know (I know you'll all be on the edge of your seats) I just realized my OEM foot peg rattled apart on the exhaust side too (looks like it was a cotter pinned rod that fell out, so that's kinda alarming.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: WhyNot on May 31, 2018, 15:43:25
Wait till the pin falls out of your brake actuating rod and you go to put on the brakes and have no pedal.

Ask me how I know this. And that booger is a severe pita to reinstall.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: jpmobius on May 31, 2018, 18:19:03
Most bolts shouldn't need loctite if they're torqued properly?
Respectfully, in practice this is true, BUT should only apply to reasonably high quality bolts.  Low quality (read "soft") bolts yield (permanently deform) so easily that the "spring" tension that keeps many bolts from becoming loose enough in service to turn (like a connecting rod bolt) is not all that practical to count on.  As a rule, I find blue Loctite very effective even on (what balance?) buzzy 4" diameter handlebar grip 2-strokes and big singles.  Fasteners that unscrew themselves even with threadlocker almost invariable have some other mechanical issue that keeps the assembly from, well assembling correctly.  When parts don't meet up properly (flat and parallel joining faces for instance), thin surfaces out of flat, or slots instead of holes for bolts with missing, too thin, incorrect or deformed washers for example, the clamping effect of the fastener varies so much under vibration it is simply too loose too often.  There are often many such situations on old bikes, often a result of uncorrected local damage and/or incorrect replacement fasteners.  Getting correct, quality fasteners complete with appropriate washers, spacers, etc is far from as trivial as it often seems.  It absolutely takes a bit of time and patience when assembling anything "custom" (even if "custom" is just a slight variation on what used to be there) to make sure every connection has a little engineering thought put into it, but it beats having parts fall off on the road!  Make sure the parts fit really well together and don't have to be "sprung" into place until you can get a bolt in there, or worse, jack the assembly together by catching one thread with the nut and cranking it together with tools.  Most assemblies like a washer under the head of the bolt and another under the nut if applicable.  Just any old washer generally won't do, it needs to have close enough tolerances to properly support the fasteners.  I do use split lock washers a lot on old bikes - they came that way - but don't tell anyone!
Take a more discerning look at your troublesome connections and you likely will find trouble that needs fixing.  Act accordingly and probably you will find most of your problems go away.  It isn't a 100% solution though, sometimes you find connections that need some alterations to work reliably.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: teazer on May 31, 2018, 19:23:04
Vibration issues sound just like a triumph twin I used to ride.  Fast and fun - but bits just fell off too often. Nothing important though.  Just exhausts and footpegs and gear levers etc.  :-\
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on Jun 01, 2018, 10:18:41
360 has a 180 crank so has a lot of high rpm 'buzz' and of course the 'rocking couple' gets annoying but vibration level isn't anything like even a T(or GT  ;) )500 Suzuki. Since I found out more about spring washers, I've pretty much stopped using them, even if they were OEM fitted. I never liked them anyway as they tend to damage things.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 02, 2018, 16:47:49
Yeah. Lost another heat shield. Iím guessing it was me forcing a cl350 shield onto my 360 pipes and not using any washers it pretty much just fit though.


Iíve got new carbon muffler gaskets and will go over all my bolts to be sure I havenít substituted in anything soft. (PS CB360 gaskets work on CL360 pipes. Im sure someone else already figure that out. No damage in duplicating that info on the forums though.)


Off topic, am I insane for liking these dinky rectangular 80s blinkers over the aluminum mini ones Iíd been using?
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on Jun 02, 2018, 17:50:30
I think they go better with the 'Dieselpunk'/industrial look  8)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 04, 2018, 20:55:41
I meant to take apart the 360 to do the oil pickup mod, install some OEM bits I haven't gotten around to and replace all of the lost bolts and things... but I procrastinated and built a shade lean-to instead. This makes it easier to leave the bikes outside instead of crowding them all into the garage, which is nice. Also the next step is tearing the engine out of that ascot and seeing what makes it so sad inside, so this is a little bit of making room for a standing engine in the very small workshop (by putting a Moto outside)


All praise be to procrastination.


Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 10, 2018, 15:03:43
Had a heck of a time finding the oil transfer mod thread for some reason.


Putting it here for anyone who needs it in the future.
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=43545.0 (http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=43545.0)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: crazypj on Jun 10, 2018, 19:17:50
I completely forgot I did that thread  ::)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 11, 2018, 12:50:02
lol. At least MiniatureNinja has a very entertaining build thread to comb through. That for sure wasn't the worst part of my Sunday morning.



Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: MiniatureNinja on Jun 11, 2018, 13:00:25
lol. At least MiniatureNinja has a very entertaining build thread to comb through. That for sure wasn't the worst part of my Sunday morning.

im glad someone got something out of it!  should have an update this weekend too!
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jun 11, 2018, 15:55:46
im glad someone got something out of it!  should have an update this weekend too!


Lol, me too, but you are doing a much better job of building a bike than I am. My goal has always been "lets get this fucker to move itself down the road" and everything else has just been gravy (which has mostly been an education in combustion engines and a lot of skinned knuckles.)
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 17, 2018, 14:21:09

Ok. Oil pickup has been modified. all new oil seals where cracking the cases wasnít a requirement. I also balanced the wheels with some of those reusable brass spoke weights. I love those things. They are great.


And I finally JB welded over the shorty weld job on the rear muffler (had a shitty local muffler shop do it and there were a lot of leaks in the weld. Iíd been telling myself I was going to reword it, but I never got to a friend with a welder to do the job. Į\_(ツ)_/Į it worked. Should have done it a while ago instead of telling myself to wait until I could do it right.


Also back to 10w40.


Thanks to everyone who helped get me to this point. Iím really feeling like Iím starting to get a hang for this after 8 years of fuckwithery. Eric, PJ, Sonrier. Iím sure there are others thanks so much. Bike pulls to rear line through all 6 (ok,5) gears for the first time since I picked the thing up from the retired Honda tech in 2009.




P.S. I lost my header heat shield (not on a ride, but it is lost) if anyone is sitting on one and would rather have beer money, let me know. Iím heading to the moto graveyard next week to find another passenger foot peg and a replacement shield, but Iím not sure Iíll be quite that lucky.
Title: Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
Post by: Cursh on Jul 18, 2018, 12:17:42
Rode across town (read all of Phoenix) yesterday to get to a beginners corner in class at the local moto school. No one ever taught me to ride (P.O. gave me a 5 minute lesson in 2009 when I bought the bike.) that was useful. How did I not know about turning your head (probably should have read a book or two)


Anyway. 25 miles there at WOT and 25 miles back. No problems. The class was sitting on top of hot pavement for 5 minutes between 1 minute 25 mob turn exercises. The few times I needed to kill the engine she starter on first kick. The instructors got a kick out of someone not having electric start.


I also got a chance to check the charger with the new 35w headlight.
13.2v before the long ride home, 13.1 this morning. Not terrible. Should have checked last night but I was tired. I can live with that for now. I sill need to clean up the wiring in the headlight and track down why the turn signals arenít working. There still might be a few wiring gremlins that I donít know about.