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Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 18, 2016, 17:05:30
Well, I bought the ugliest Moto Guzzi that I have ever seen. Not that I have seen many of them. They are either pretty rare in these parts or blend in so much that I don’t notice them. I have always loved the idea of them since hearing the 1990’s song Rock 'n' Roll Lifestyle by Cake.

“Well, your CD collection looks shiny and costly.
How much did you pay for your bad Moto Guzzi?
And how much did you spend on your black leather jacket?
Is it you or your parents in this income tax bracket?”
 
This bike is the 50th bike owned between my wife and I (including mopeds, three wheelers and a quad). I don’t have 50 now – we are down to 7 if you include a XS400 parts bike that I bought that is complete except for a title.

This Guzzi is going to be my second café bike, but I have to build it alongside a 1980 Yamaha XS400 Brat that my wife wants (will have its own build thread).

The good thing with this Guzzi is that it is complete, running and titled. The bad – well look at it!


(http://s6.postimg.org/f7ghg9psh/IMG_0295.jpg)

That is the WORST tail I have ever seen. The tank is from a Yamaha – don’t know what. I know this, because I can read the Yamaha sticker thru the paint.
BTW: I loathe black. I hate bikes that look like someone took a rattle can to. This will be more show than go. I have a fast bike, so my plan is to make it look as nice as possible for as cheap as possible. See the build thread in my sig – I built that bike for nothing and plan to do the same on this one.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: japstar on May 18, 2016, 17:19:20
Gues the PO was a truck driver, if you see the bar end blinkers  ;D

Good luck with it, and have fun with throwing the rear end away  8)
Ugly dugling projects are always interesting.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 18, 2016, 17:43:10
So - what tank?
I want something that is flat on the bottom. the cool part of the Tonti frame Guzzi is that flat straight line that runs the length of the bike. I also like narrow as it makes the engine look more massive.

Yamaha -

(http://s6.postimg.org/t6d6sqf2p/IMG_0314.jpg)

Honda CB360
(http://s6.postimg.org/as2nor2s1/IMG_0311.jpg)

Honda ??
(http://s6.postimg.org/pql2j6hu9/IMG_0312.jpg)

Guzzi Convert?
(http://s6.postimg.org/556ara09d/IMG_0313.jpg)


The other problem - the tank has to be longer then something like the Honda tanks - otherwise my knees hit the heads. Even moving the pegs back didn't solve that.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 18, 2016, 17:50:07
Before I bought the bike, I figured that I could just order up a http://www.thetankshop.com/ tank and call it a day.

Didn't realize that they were so much $$.

delivered would be in the range of $800 and worse - 40+ weeks!! That's like 10 months! And you need the tank to work out the tank mounts and seat mounts, so you can't just work around that.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: japstar on May 18, 2016, 18:11:52
I rather like the yamaha tank that it came with. Honda tanks will be too small i think.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: advCo on May 18, 2016, 22:18:50
I agree with japstar above. I like the hard jutting downward angle at the back of the yamaha tank thats on there. It actually kind of looks like it belongs on a Guzzi, and it just about lines up with the frame there which is nice as well.

That tail is/was hilarious. It actually looks like someone put a decent amount of time and effort into it, but man what a monstrosity.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on May 19, 2016, 06:48:42
Before I bought the bike, I figured that I could just order up a http://www.thetankshop.com/ tank and call it a day.

Didn't realize that they were so much $$.

delivered would be in the range of $800 and worse - 40+ weeks!! That's like 10 months! And you need the tank to work out the tank mounts and seat mounts, so you can't just work around that.

I got my alloy tank from TABII within 3 weeks, or you could go for a fibreglass tank, or I've seen a couple of Guzzi 850 specials using a Honda CB200 (CB200T) tank, which looked good. I've got a photo somewhere, will dig it out when I have time. Good luck with the build.   

Edit to add photo..
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on May 19, 2016, 10:39:05
A Guzzi is never ugly - period! Yours just had a bad tin day  ;D

Regarding having your knees touching the cylinders, I don think it has anything to do with the tank, rather the handlebars and the footrests. I'm 1,83M (5feet 11) and have a 34inseam, I touch the heads with my clubman handlebar but sat a bit more backwards with a traditional "naked bike handlebar" I had previously.

In real life it doesn't matter, I actually like to have "the touch" of the heads when riding. But I also ride in leather and in cold weather  8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on May 19, 2016, 10:41:25
I got my alloy tank from TABII within 3 weeks, or you could go for a fibreglass tank, or I've seen a couple of Guzzi 850 specials using a Honda CB200 (CB200T) tank, which looked good. I've got a photo somewhere, will dig it out when I have time. Good luck with the build.   

Edit to add photo..

These looks like small block Guzzi's, I think this tank will look way too tiny on a 850T
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: focusinprogress on May 19, 2016, 12:35:24
that yamaha tank is probably an xs500 tank or an xs400s tank....I like it better than the guzzi tank and the cb360 and cb550 tank you have pictured......

all that said, I think a cb750f tank could look really good on there....it will be long but have a shape similar to the 360 tank with a little more style in it.

(http://honda-cb750-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/file/n3712406/cb750_custom_cafe_racer.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 19, 2016, 12:47:49
I tried that Yamaha tank on my wifes 1980 XS400 and it wouldn't fit - The tunnel is too narrow. Shame, as I really like the look of the square XS400 tanks vs the teardrop style that she has. The one in the front is the parts bike - I just swapped the wheels and forks - she wanted the mag wheels and the disk front brake.

(http://s6.postimg.org/akssxgvyp/IMG_0634.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on May 19, 2016, 18:50:20
These looks like small block Guzzi's, I think this tank will look way too tiny on a 850T

The bike at the back of the photo is an 850, the one at the front a V50.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: teazer on May 19, 2016, 19:37:47
V7 Sport replica.  I like that idea.  Or early LeMans look for fast road work.

You might see if Tannermatic has anything in say CF that would work http://www.tannermatic.com/

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 19, 2016, 23:03:03
I like the V Sport tank, the way the side bulge out and yet it still has the knee indents.

http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=286&products_id=3245&zenid=2bed04b2267859b7eb76330c8a2669cf


But, I don't like how the end is. There is a large gap where it meets the seat unless you have a bulky seat, which I dislike. I especially dislike the seat that wraps the back of the tank.

I take that back, I don't dislike that, I just really don't want to go that route on my bike.

Also, that V Sport tank is not cheap. I have been looking for a few months and have not seen a deal on that tank anywhere. They don't pop up used like a Honda tank. New, looks like it will be well over 1/3 the purchase price of my bike. I need to stay cheap if I want to finish this this season as I am now buying parts for my wifes bike.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on May 20, 2016, 06:01:16
Have you considered choosing your handlebars before the tank? The reason In my experience, the look of the tank changes with different handlebars too.
I have a SP1 with original tank. With normal bars like yours I think the tank looks ugly but when I added lower clubman bars the look changes too... not to a beauty like a V7 or alloy, more from ugly to acceptable... 8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 20, 2016, 09:41:13
I have drag bars and a superbike bend that I bought already. I put the superbike bars on and I like how they sit.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 24, 2016, 16:44:39
I know that a lot of people feel this tank is ubiquitous, but I like it. It isn’t like I encounter a lot of other café bikes in my travels, and I doubt that I will run into another vintage Moto Guzzi with Mojave tank. Hell, I had a hard time finding a picture of one on the interwebs.
$120 for the tank with cap! Not a repo and the inside is clean!


(http://s6.postimg.org/xsnjpolox/tank_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 24, 2016, 16:46:33
Plus - look how beautiful that bike of the month banner is!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: advCo on May 24, 2016, 17:02:09
Nice deal on the tank. I like them, I think it will fit the Guzzi pretty well.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 25, 2016, 10:05:36
Here is the tank with my DCC leather café seat -

(http://s6.postimg.org/lnu1k3npt/IMG_0489.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/y3qrduh1t/IMG_0488.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/naj95bzrl/IMG_0487.jpg)


Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: BigNickel on May 25, 2016, 13:01:17
Love the tank and seat!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: focusinprogress on May 25, 2016, 16:18:15
I'm normally in the "for the love of god enough with the mojave tanks" crowd.....but that combo on this bike is just too well suited for any naysaying.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: lc4dakar on May 25, 2016, 16:27:19
The Benelli tank is a cliche these days, but it looks so damn good!
This is my small block (in progress, not a rat bike):

(http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp51/alj3rd/Guzzi/20151016_140023_zpsrdhcjmnz.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: japstar on May 25, 2016, 17:42:18
Okay, this, I like  8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on May 26, 2016, 06:55:29
Very nice tank choice. It's so narrow the 2 cylinders look even bigger from above.... like a nice big lady's butt with a g-string  8)

Do you paint it or keep it as is? It has a very nice patina you can't buy for money and all the hipsters will envy your original old bike
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 26, 2016, 16:56:35
As much as I cherish the envy of hipsters, I am going to paint it. I like a well done patina bike, car or especially pick-up truck. But that is really not my style. I like clean and shinny.

here is my last bike I built - the build thread is linked in my signature.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-evggzZO93Ok/UJ1Klo94p6I/AAAAAAAAG-0/nT-xpzkyAeA/s800/IMG_3095.JPG)

My plan is to paint it a vintage looking light blue. I think that will look pretty good with the brown seat and grips. I hope to polish a lot of the bike and clean up and paint the frame a very shinny black.

My wife is trying to talk me into painting the knee indents in the tank an ivory or off white like the coves on a 1960 Vette. I am not sure if that is the way I want to go. Not 100% that it will look as cool as it sounds and paint is not cheap.

(http://www.kimballstock.com/pix/MISC/VET/VET-03-RK0738-01P.JPG)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on May 27, 2016, 08:10:00
Nice paint scheme it will be a beauty with this blue color. Personally, I would perfer knee indents darker than the tank but that's a matter of taste of course.

VW Nimbus Gray with flat black indents could be another alternative?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: hillsy on May 27, 2016, 08:58:21
As much as I cherish the envy of hipsters, I am going to paint it. I like a well done patina bike, car or especially pick-up truck. But that is really not my style. I like clean and shinny.

here is my last bike I built - the build thread is linked in my signature.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-evggzZO93Ok/UJ1Klo94p6I/AAAAAAAAG-0/nT-xpzkyAeA/s800/IMG_3095.JPG)










What's with the bracket obscuring the speedometer?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on May 27, 2016, 09:02:30
Please keep the tank and don´t repaint it!
It looks awesome with that orange used paint!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 27, 2016, 09:51:22
Sorry,
already blasted off some paint to weld up some mounts.

(http://s6.postimg.org/6kcgtqqq9/IMG_0780.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 27, 2016, 10:06:55
I think that it is cool that the tank is so narrow that you can hardly see it from the front.

(http://s6.postimg.org/dvckjlwi9/IMG_0821.jpg)

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 27, 2016, 10:16:09


My wife is trying to talk me into painting the knee indents in the tank an ivory or off white like the coves on a 1960 Vette. I am not sure if that is the way I want to go. Not 100% that it will look as cool as it sounds and paint is not cheap.

(http://www.kimballstock.com/pix/MISC/VET/VET-03-RK0738-01P.JPG)



(http://s6.postimg.org/80y3646a9/23_E48098_FEF6_4601_A0_BB_D640_F4523803.jpg)

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on May 27, 2016, 10:44:06
(http://s6.postimg.org/80y3646a9/23_E48098_FEF6_4601_A0_BB_D640_F4523803.jpg)

Hard to believe that started here, eh?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 01, 2016, 10:33:28
Sonreir - do you have a link to the build thread on that Honda?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 01, 2016, 10:42:36
Had a friend fab up some mounts for the tank and seat -

(http://s6.postimg.org/lp8kr9exd/IMG_0781.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/moyvmyu35/IMG_0784.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/8wkgrc3bl/IMG_0785.jpg)

For the back of the tank - he designed this set-up. I had just asked him to weld some pieces to the frame to keep the tank from moving side to side as I plan to hold it down with a rubber strap. He put a platform with two holes and welded round bar to the tank that they fit into. Works great.

(http://s6.postimg.org/7230vuqxd/IMG_0790.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/b9xt4lscx/IMG_0787.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/w1uvdc8gh/IMG_0788.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/68v0gzaa9/IMG_0793.jpg)

I used studs with clips to hold the seat on and allow tool-less removal. I thought that I had some pics, but looks like I forgot to take them.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 01, 2016, 10:45:05
the seat studs are similar to these -

(http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24842&stc=1&d=1263575790)


edit -

here is my seat attachment.

(http://s6.postimg.org/7nyxi40k1/IMG_0999.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Jun 01, 2016, 10:57:05
Sonreir - do you have a link to the build thread on that Honda?

... and a phone no to the gal please  8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 01, 2016, 12:56:09
Sonreir - do you have a link to the build thread on that Honda?

No build thread, I'm afraid. I can hit up my friend for some more pics, though. He built it. :)

Little Horse Cycles was the builder, if you're interested. Hillsboro, Oregon.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: hidn45 on Jun 04, 2016, 22:00:53
Better late than never... but the stock Goose tank can make an awfully nice cafe......

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Jun 06, 2016, 05:24:57
Very nice bike Randy, is that yours?
I see they have kept the long upper rails on the frame too, it's difficult to make a good flow with these. I know most cut them off but in my country, an inspection could scrap the frame if they are cut !
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 06, 2016, 12:08:17
hidn45 - that is a sharp bike, but it looks more like a muscle bike then the small lightweight café racer look that I am going for. A 6 gal tank hides the massiveness of the motor, and that is what attracted me to a Moto Guzzi in the first place.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 06, 2016, 12:12:17
... and a phone no to the gal please  8)

No phone number, but the model is Melissa Bryan. She's a fellow rider in our local Portland group.

I'll let you do your own stalking. :P
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: hidn45 on Jun 06, 2016, 13:56:03
Very nice bike Randy, is that yours?


Don't I wish!!  Came across it on the ol' innerneck...... from France, I believe.  My absolute fave.  Began life as an 850 t-3, if I recall correctly.  If I could find a decent Goose I'd love to do something similar (although red is DEF not my first choice....).

Quite muscular looking, I quite agree.  Kinda just threw it out there for the discussion.  I like the light look too, but this is just an all out stunning package.....
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Jun 08, 2016, 03:29:19
No phone number, but the model is Melissa Bryan. She's a fellow rider in our local Portland group.

I'll let you do your own stalking. :P

Don't worry, I have a wife and 4 kids.... too expensive for me to mesh around :o. But never the less I appreciate a nice woman and the combination of her curves and the bikes line is just perfect. Say hi to her from a guy in Denmark next time
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 19, 2016, 21:20:50
I had a busy weekend. I had to modify my rear sets to get them to sit right. Then went from this-
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160619/9d2e1589fb78975b0d93c861ab0e2a4d.jpg)

To this

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160619/240c38fc3b6d1a069f128d5c66b735cf.jpg)


In preparation for soda blasting and painting the motor and frame.




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 20, 2016, 13:39:45
OK,
it was time to cut the frame.

(http://s6.postimg.org/xje2nkd01/IMG_1009.jpg)

I cannot cut it where I think that it would look best due to the rear mounts for the seat and it is getting close to the shock mount. There is a gusset in the way as well.

I wanted it to be a straight cut, and I didn't have a pipe cutter (on know if they would work on this thicker walled steel tube).

(http://s6.postimg.org/t7pgyk635/IMG_1012.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/cb0e64yj5/IMG_1011.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/6bcn2hdqp/IMG_1013.jpg)

I wound up using a reciprocating saw after I made sure to make a nice line to guide me.

I know that I will mess with it more later.





Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 20, 2016, 13:44:38
I want to have a straight edge to the end of the tube, but I want it closer to the seat. I may use the tubes to house some led brake lights.

What I want to do is cut down the gusset and make it look nicer. I cant see there being any loss of strength to that area. Am I wrong? I marked the area that I want to cut off with blue tape.

(http://s6.postimg.org/qy5y1jmj5/IMG_1092.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/bqpyh6uoh/IMG_1091.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/4q1yoeswh/IMG_1089.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/c8l3x1k9d/IMG_1094.jpg)

I also have a bunch of tabs that I need to cut off and areas of the frame that need to be cleaned up before I paint it.

(http://s6.postimg.org/njnrler4h/IMG_1098.jpg)

(http://s6.postimg.org/3z98imqj5/IMG_1096.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: japstar on Jun 20, 2016, 19:33:52
You won't lose any important strength. Grind away mate  8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 27, 2016, 16:09:33
From this -


(http://s6.postimg.org/njnrler4h/IMG_1098.jpg)



to this.

(https://s6.postimg.org/wqiifby6p/IMG_1155.jpg)

what a pain. I bought the wrong cut off wheels, so I had to use a dull reciprocating saw and then sand down with a flapper wheel. luckily I had some 24 and 60 grit, so it didn't take too much time, but it made a mess.

I have some filler work to do, but only really thin. I plan to paint and not powdercoat, so no big deal.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 27, 2016, 16:20:25
Soda blasted the motor over the weekend. It was 90 degrees out and humid, so I had problems with condensation in the air supply. I have a cheap water separator and bought a harbor freight Inline Desiccant Dryer/Filter that was too small. I didn't realize it, but it has a 1/4" inlet and the soda blaster needed 3/8 to 1/2". So the blaster would work for a short time, but then the pressure fell and I would have to wait while it filled up again. I could hear it, sounded like filling a small air tank.

The carbs cleaned up great. the motor is clean, I went over it with some carb cleaner and paper towels and got the last bits of dirt.

The aluminum still has some stains and corrosion areas, so I am going to paint it with hi temp aluminum paint once the temps and humidity drop back down.

Here are some before shots.

(https://s6.postimg.org/4rocogwk1/IMG_1137.jpg)

(https://s6.postimg.org/h7l2i7pw1/IMG_1138.jpg)

(https://s6.postimg.org/qgn8sbys1/IMG_1140.jpg)

Here is the blaster I bought - I was going to buy the HF 15lb soda blaster, but they were out. this sand blaster, with a soda conversion was less money.

(https://s6.postimg.org/psee9e029/IMG_1142.jpg)
(http://)

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 27, 2016, 16:24:17
Here are some after shots.


you can see the corrosion on the top of the motor. this area must collect water easily. I am not sure what to do yet. I used a brass brush, but that didn't help. I may try hitting it with a wire wheel on either my angle grinder or dremel.
(https://s6.postimg.org/sb03a2lsh/IMG_1144.jpg)

(https://s6.postimg.org/jinq04q1d/IMG_1159.jpg)

(https://s6.postimg.org/50qis4yq9/IMG_1161.jpg)

(https://s6.postimg.org/5erurqitt/IMG_1163.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Jun 27, 2016, 19:20:43
I found this works surprisingly well on Guzzi cases, a little goes a long way...

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: snmavridis on Jun 27, 2016, 19:37:19
Doing a great job with build notes! Lots to learn here! Got before and afters with the rub n buff?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 27, 2016, 23:24:53
I can be anal, but there is no way I am polishing the whole motor. Aluminum paint looks good to me.


I found the build thread for the restoration on this bike and I am using the same high temp aluminum colored paint.

(http://huzband.smugmug.com/Other/Various/i-32RQBDj/0/L/IMG3260-L.jpg)


Pretty much the same stuff I used on my CB360 motor - crap that you can buy at the auto parts store.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Jun 28, 2016, 08:58:13
That stuff isn't to polish the cases, it just hides the staining of the alloy, though I don't know how durable the finish will be. Don't have a before and after comparison, but here's what it looks like after the first light 'coat'.

I also considered painting the cases, but decided against it in the end, as its bound to get stone chipped eventually, then it can look worse than leaving the cases unpainted.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 28, 2016, 11:29:13
do you think that it will get rid of the patchy finish on the cases? what about the back of the motor that looks like it has battery acid spilled on it? How did you do between the fins?

how long did it take to do? did you do it by hand?

 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Rub-n-Buff-Metallic-Wax-Finish-1-2-Ounce-Ruby/24626333?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=83&adid=22222222227031851617&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=61130956136&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=108538799336&veh=sem


Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 28, 2016, 14:27:15
Awesomeness!
My wife just found this shirt -

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We have a 2007 Ducati Monster S4Rs, a 2007 Ducati 1098 and the Moto Guzzi 850T!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Jun 28, 2016, 14:29:03
My fins are painted black so that wasn't an issue for me. The corroded part above the gearbox is normally covered by the battery tray, I made a billet tray for mine, but you could fit the original or make a simple plate as a cover.

I just used a rag and my finger, and sometimes a rag and thin piece of wood to get into the tricky to reach areas. Its a bit like toothpaste in consistency, its only a small tube, but a little goes a long way. You have the option of polishing the cases (which I guess is what its made for), but I just left it once dried.. it looks identical to the colour of the cases. Once its dry (which only takes a few minutes), you can add another 'coat' and another etc, until your happy with the result. In my case two coats were enough to hide 99% of the staining of the cases.

I found out about this stuff on here, there's a thread somewhere of using it on a Honda CB, and the owner saying its fantastic. I was sceptical, but I have to admit it does seem to work well.

What I don't know is how durable it will be, in rain etc. But then again it only took me half an hour to go over the whole engine, so if needed, I could always repeat the process every now and again. Over here the little tube cost about £5 which seems a lot of money for such a small amount, but its cheaper than paint if your happy with the results.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 28, 2016, 15:20:15
I want the motor to look nice. For a Fathers day gift, my kids gave me this -

 (http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QdUAAOxyHWJSEOs4/s-l1600.jpg)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290962696179?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/290962696179?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)





Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 28, 2016, 15:30:25
My fins are painted black so that wasn't an issue for me. The corroded part above the gearbox is normally covered by the battery tray, I made a billet tray for mine, but you could fit the original or make a simple plate as a cover.

I just used a rag and my finger, and sometimes a rag and thin piece of wood to get into the tricky to reach areas. Its a bit like toothpaste in consistency, its only a small tube, but a little goes a long way. You have the option of polishing the cases (which I guess is what its made for), but I just left it once dried.. it looks identical to the colour of the cases. Once its dry (which only takes a few minutes), you can add another 'coat' and another etc, until your happy with the result. In my case two coats were enough to hide 99% of the staining of the cases.

I found out about this stuff on here, there's a thread somewhere of using it on a Honda CB, and the owner saying its fantastic. I was sceptical, but I have to admit it does seem to work well.

What I don't know is how durable it will be, in rain etc. But then again it only took me half an hour to go over the whole engine, so if needed, I could always repeat the process every now and again. Over here the little tube cost about £5 which seems a lot of money for such a small amount, but its cheaper than paint if your happy with the results.


what do you think the surface finish of this motor is? (stole it from your build thread) is it paint? or is it the natural look of the aluminum? Vapor blasted?

(http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=54738.0;attach=102930;image)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Jun 28, 2016, 16:51:04
Don't know for sure, but it looks like its been blasted, maybe vapour blasted or maybe bead blasted (silicone beads give a finish that looks like that, and can also give a satin look by smoothing out the surface imperfections).

BTW, just made a video just for you...  :)

https://youtu.be/USUq-2uP694
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 29, 2016, 13:30:10
Don't know for sure, but it looks like its been blasted, maybe vapour blasted or maybe bead blasted (silicone beads give a finish that looks like that, and can also give a satin look by smoothing out the surface imperfections).

BTW, just made a video just for you...  :)




I appreciate your help, but I don’t think that the Rub N Buff will work for me. I want my whole motor to be uniformly colored, so that means that the cylinders and heads would need that treatment as well. I don’t see it holding up. it seems to be mostly carnauba wax, which cannot withstand high temps. I found threads on car detailing sites where people had issues with carnauba wax on their cars in places like Texas. The heat from sitting in the sun caused the wax to break down. The SDS on the manufactures site says that the boiling point is 212° to  375°. I am not sure the temps that the air cooled motor runs at, but I think that would be higher than that. You maybe ok with just the cases, but I don’t think that it will last in my application.

https://www.amaco.com/t/mixed-media/metallic-finishes/rub-n-buff

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 30, 2016, 11:45:38
Here is what my motor looked like.

(https://s6.postimg.org/ybukfixu9/IMG_1167.jpg)

(https://s6.postimg.org/yskdfpaz5/IMG_1173.jpg)

here I had started painting -

(https://s6.postimg.org/fq0zsrzyp/IMG_1176.jpg)

I tried to buff out the corrosion with a brass wire wheel on a dremel, it removed enough that I couldn't feel it anymore, but I could still see it.

(https://s6.postimg.org/z6lpfav2p/IMG_1175.jpg)




Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Jun 30, 2016, 11:49:39
The open "box" on the gearbox collects water if you run with a custom battery plate.

I have a custom plate myself (rather a lattice) and mine is full everytime i wash (every second month  :o) or when it had been sitting out in the rain.

I would suggest you drill some drain holes in it before you paint unless you plan to never run in wet conditions or even make a custom lid to cover?

Very nice paint job btw, it looks perfect on pictures. Is it with a spraygun?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 30, 2016, 11:53:14
This is after painting -

(https://s6.postimg.org/kd71ujnbl/IMG_1179.jpg)

(https://s6.postimg.org/hkduaimz5/IMG_1194.jpg)

I painted the starter motor a different color. it is Cast Aluminum, and it is a more noticeable difference than it looks in the picture.

(https://s6.postimg.org/pr5u23d1t/IMG_1203.jpg)

I did that on my last bike, I don't care for a bike motor that looks like it has just been spray bombed.

I took care to tape off everything that is not the motor case. I pulled the valve cover bolts and gaskets, and taped off the other fasteners that I don't plan to replace. I only left the bolts holding the gearbox to the motor.
I plan to paint the alternator cover a slightly darker color. I am still on the hunt for an aluminum one that I can polish, but I gave up on the idea of polishing the valve covers after I took a long look at them and all the pitting and scratches. The paint did a good job hiding those flaws, but I would be too anal to let them go if I were polishing them. Maybe I will keep an eye out for some after I get her on the road and change them out later.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 30, 2016, 12:18:25

I appreciate your help, but I don’t think that the Rub N Buff will work for me. I want my whole motor to be uniformly colored, so that means that the cylinders and heads would need that treatment as well. I don’t see it holding up. it seems to be mostly carnauba wax, which cannot withstand high temps. I found threads on car detailing sites where people had issues with carnauba wax on their cars in places like Texas. The heat from sitting in the sun caused the wax to break down. The SDS on the manufactures site says that the boiling point is 212° to  375°. I am not sure the temps that the air cooled motor runs at, but I think that would be higher than that. You maybe ok with just the cases, but I don’t think that it will last in my application.

https://www.amaco.com/t/mixed-media/metallic-finishes/rub-n-buff



thanks,
I rattle caned it.

here is my makeshift spray booth. it usualy holds the garbage cans, it was pretty windy out so it was nice to have a place to spray.

(https://s6.postimg.org/qhyk7vff5/IMG_1180.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Jul 01, 2016, 22:08:17
The engine looks great, you've got me wishing I'd done the same with mine. It'll be interesting to know how it holds up in the future.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 05, 2016, 15:44:36
I spent the holiday detabing the frame, grinding them smooth and blasting the frame with my soda blaster.
The soda did a great job removing dirt and grease but most of the paint remained. There were places that the paint came off easily, a lot of fasteners came clean. The rest of the paint has a flat texture to it that should be a good base for paint.

I has wanted to prime it with the high build primer, but it started to rain.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 07, 2016, 17:52:05
anyone know where to find a pair of velocity stacks with screen for a Dellorto VHB 30mm carb?
 I like the longer ones, but I don't like the idea of paying $65 each for a pair of them.

I understand the issues with running these, I will have a plate blocking the crap being thrown off the rear wheel and this isn't a bike that will be ridden a lot or in the rain.

this is what I am looking for-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/131546760820?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTAwWDEyMDA=/z/8jYAAOSw-vlVkcJd/$_57.JPG?set_id=880000500F)


also looking for some straighter intake manifolds, this is purely for looks.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Jul 07, 2016, 19:52:14
I got mine from the official Dellorto site here in the uk

https://www.dellorto.co.uk/product-category/dellorto-motorcycle-carburettors-parts/trumpets-manifolds/trumpets/

Normally parts are a lot cheaper in the US, so maybe you could try looking at the official US Dellorto sites (assuming they have one).
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 07, 2016, 21:49:30
Dang!

£24 works out to $31 USD. Compared to $60 here at what I assume is a US distributor

http://www.dellortoshop.com/contents/en-us/d65_Dellorto_VHB_VHBT_and_VHBZ_Parts.html

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 08, 2016, 10:53:06
Dang!

£24 works out to $31 USD. Compared to $60 here at what I assume is a US distributor

http://www.dellortoshop.com/contents/en-us/d65_Dellorto_VHB_VHBT_and_VHBZ_Parts.html




am I reading this correct? - the part is only 2" long?  55mm = 2.1"

Product Description
Will fit VHB 27-30mm carburettors with internal 34mm x 1.25 thread & SS1 25 – 30mm.
•55mm long
•48mm wide at mouth
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 08, 2016, 10:57:21
This is the stack I had on my CB360
One fell off and was run over before I could get it. I had to buy another pair. Luckily they were spun polished aluminum, not machined from billet so they were $30 a pair.

Way to large a diameter for the small guzzi carbs, I could almost fit my pod filters in it.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 10, 2016, 18:53:01
Great weather this weekend. I spent it painting the frame.
My old touch up gun wouldn't work, not sure what is going on. Maybe the seals are dry rotten from not being used in 10 years?

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160710/f8c31fadd156d2d2e75ac8676f8da509.jpg)

I went to Eastwood and bought a new gun, worked great for both the base and the clear.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160710/df9cd97376b3dc2c367a1dae14955a3e.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160710/49c653dd8433658e60b6ce4c1b84b5db.jpg)


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 11, 2016, 16:24:31
I have a question. I don’t want to keep the fork legs black. I was thinking of polishing them or painting them aluminum.
 
Any idea what to do about the extra lugs on the front of the fork? I assume that they were for a larger stock fender, but I will not be using them (keeping a smaller fender for now).
 
I was thinking of cutting them off, then grinding and sanding flush before polishing, but that was before I did the frame. I cut a few tabs off the frame and there were 4 or 5 that the previous owner cut, but didn’t grind. I used a grinding disk and flapper wheel on my angle grinder and it looked pretty good. Until I primed.
 
I had to use some filler to get the frame tube to look round again (not much, but some).
 
I don think that I have the skills to do this and them polish the fork legs. I could probably get away with it and paint.
 
Anyone ever do this? Was it as hard as I think that it will be? I am guessing that any mistake will be more visible in the polished aluminum then it was with the light gray primer frame. 
 

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160711/62a70e1f06db030e7abffbfb3adb0f79.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 12, 2016, 13:55:15
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/29855fc0cab82241d532e8784f90c6fa.jpg)



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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Jul 13, 2016, 04:15:32
That bike comes together really well! Congrats with the job so far.

Regarding saving the tabs off: They are probably for the fender support for the original (heavy) fenders and you could remove them with no issues. They are not on my 1000SP for instance, but there the brakes are on the underside of the legs too.

I would think the best result would be if you can have someone with a lathe to remove them, this is how people shave lower legs on choppers without front brakes. But I'm not sure if it's possible with the other brake tabs that needs to stay? Alternatively, I would suggest to cut them a little above the surface with an angle grinder or similar and file the remaining tab down by hand or with a dremel - carefully, so you don't make a flat spot.

I would think proper care and polish would do the job - and if it doesn't you can paint them same way you just painted the motor

Good luck - very interesting project to follow

Per
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 14, 2016, 10:42:32
Playing with ideas for the tank logo. Would be slightly lower after I fill in the circle indents.
This is just etch primer and rattle can silver paint.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160714/cf25def4cac23dd037f780be17a24112.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 14, 2016, 15:32:15
Hard to believe that started here, eh?

just saw them on Bike Exif - no girl for Perter.

http://www.bikeexif.com/enginethusiast-honda-cb550
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Jul 14, 2016, 16:26:49
https://vimeo.com/174148984
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Jul 15, 2016, 14:54:25
https://vimeo.com/174148984

Nice video... But I was missing...... You know  ::)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: advCo on Jul 15, 2016, 16:20:17

That Sapporo samurai sword tap handle shifter is AWESOME
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 19, 2016, 12:29:22
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160719/7ce856ec44a61a14c11ce5738ba6e227.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160719/be21366b8f4cb2858155a41e5c0ce0cf.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160719/0c6a9bd1261531ff88c79825ced775e8.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160719/6cb0c1d77d31f05dd61a436a59ecffd8.jpg)

Frame on!




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: XVRacer on Jul 19, 2016, 12:36:08
Look great!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 19, 2016, 12:39:30
Here is my "To Do" list


Seal fuel tank
Clean and paint
*hubs
*brake calipers
*drum brake
*battery box
*exhaust flange
*fuel tank
*clutch and brake lever?
*Intake manifolds
*Rear block plate

Change oil
Top off rear end oil

fab new gauge mount

figure out what I am going to do with the exhaust - High temp paint, wrap or buy new

Polish (or paint) triple trees and fork lowers.

Stuff to buy (some is wish list or will have to wait)
Fork caps
Rearset linkage
Tail light
Front brake pressure switch
exhaust
   wrap?
   New pipes and H pipe?
   Mufflers
Green LED for neutral light
Headlight
Headlight mounts
Mirror
Velocity stacks
Shocks
Wire harness wrap


Getting close. I almost have the tank and fender ready for paint, but the weather is not looking good for painting anytime soon. Way to hot and humid. But I have a lot of other projects and assembly to keep me occupied.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: lc4dakar on Jul 20, 2016, 15:04:08
I'm going to get vinyl stickers made for my indents.  Something like this:

(http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp51/alj3rd/Guzzi/Guzzi%20Badge_zpss1quzsp8.jpg)


Playing with ideas for the tank logo. Would be slightly lower after I fill in the circle indents.
This is just etch primer and rattle can silver paint.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: lc4dakar on Jul 20, 2016, 15:17:14

Stuff to buy (some is wish list or will have to wait)

Rearset linkage  Tarozzi: http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=103

Shocks  Hagon:  https://www.davequinnmotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/Hagon.html

Tarozzi makes a good fork brace, too.  Improves the front end a lot.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 20, 2016, 15:44:46
I was thinking of going that route, but when I was looking for something off the shelf that would fit, I found that I really like the more modern eagle (but it looks a little Nazi WWII-ish with the green primer). Hope it doesn't have that look when painted on light blue in black paint.

BTW: it has been a pain to get those indents filed in and smooth. I just did the filler primer last night, so I am close to being ready to paint.


I have a combo of Tarozzi and DCC rearsets. Since there is not a kit that works on the drum brake, I have to make it myself. I just need to get it back together and buy some aluminum tube and some hemi joints.

Hagon shocks will probably be out of my budget. the guy I bought the bike from said he thought the shocks on it now were bad. I only rode the bike a few miles (in suburban traffic) so I couldn't tell. I was riding with no plates and the bike was so odd that I didn't have an opportunity to pay attention to them. I know I want to change them out regardless as they have plastic caps and look like crap.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Jul 20, 2016, 18:29:56
I think Hagons are overpriced for what they offer, in the UK they've always been the budget option. I went for YSS shocks, cheaper than Hagons and imo better quality too. 
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 20, 2016, 23:51:45
Swing arm on.
Tank close to ready to paint.
Pretty happy with the look.

  (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160720/3ee520439075b96f46208d51a710d8c9.jpg)


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: lc4dakar on Jul 22, 2016, 00:39:13
Here is a good looking exhaust:

(https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13782295_1392968857387061_1670127934181163889_n.jpg?oh=2715d219b5abf240ebff3b4add721b09&oe=57EB6715)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 23, 2016, 17:32:05
Spent a lot of time cleaning up the rear wheel.
I degreased it and then used brass brushes and a brass wire wheel on the dremel.
Then decided to paint the hub. I didn't want to pull the wheel apart just to paint the hub as you really don't see much of it.
So I spent hours taping off spokes in 95+ degree heat.
In the end, it was worth it as it came out great. I used the same high temp engine paint that I used on the motor.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160723/d42b8282a1a71a26920c640f0247d526.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160723/ed97b4eb288383ee72a26ddb53e693b7.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160723/76256ceba5cbe68c1edaf3a03b5f9880.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 23, 2016, 17:33:32
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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 25, 2016, 12:17:42
I spent the rest of the very hot weekend in the garage working on some front end parts.
I wanted to polish the forks and upper triple clamp, but that is going to take a lot longer then I want, so it will have to be a winter project. I want to get this on the road in August and start on my wife’s XS400 Brat build.

Since the forks and triple clamps were painted, it wasn’t going to be a big deal to paint them again. I cut off some unused tabs on the fork lowers and did a pretty good job of blending them in. I thought that I took more and better pictures, but I guess not. I will take some better pics of the finished forks.


BTW: I smoothed the forks a lot better then what is shown below. I did have one mark where I didn't stop correctly with the flapping wheel. instead of going lighter to blend, I just stopped and made a gouge mark that will probably not polish out. It isn't too visible with the paint.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 25, 2016, 12:20:02
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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 25, 2016, 12:31:56
I then removed the casting marks for the upper triple clamp and cut off the unused  tabs for the gauge mounts and painted the bottom black and the top a cast aluminum silver.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: advCo on Jul 25, 2016, 12:42:36
Looking good man. Starting to come together


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 26, 2016, 14:33:53
Got some help yesterday getting the brakes cleaned up.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 26, 2016, 14:38:10
Those iron rotors weigh a ton.
Was a little confuse on how to take them off. There were magnets for the speedo drive in the bolts, but it took me a while to figure that out and to figure out how to remove them. Hint - magnets are attracted to metal!

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Here are the forks again....

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 01, 2016, 00:03:07
Worked on the front end parts this weekend.

Cleaned and painted the brakes and front wheel.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 01, 2016, 00:05:15
 
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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 01, 2016, 00:09:46
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I have to figure out if this fender is going to work with this 18" wheel.  Looks like it is off to me. I may just need to lower it some.

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Starting to look like a bike again

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Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 01, 2016, 00:14:43
Man, all that work cleaning, taping and painting the front hub and you can't even see it.

Everything going back on the bike is getting cleaned up before it goes back on. Every bolt is hit with a brass wheel and degreased. All threads are chased and I am doing all I can to make it look as good as I can without buying lots of new parts. I still don't have much money into this bike yet.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: hillsy on Aug 01, 2016, 00:34:20
Back in the day they used to swap the forks over to run the calipers behind the forks to get a "racer" look. Would look pretty good on your bike.


Just a thought.


Keep going  ;)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 01, 2016, 07:55:34
If you look at the bike when I bought it, the calipers were behind the forks. I swapped them because I like the Guzzi bird logo on the forks and wanted it to be visible.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: DJsalinger on Aug 01, 2016, 14:02:27
I'm impressed. It's really coming along. Makes me feel like I'm neglecting mine.

Where did you get that seat? And what mods if any have you done to get it to fit?
I'm trying to fiberglass a similar seat for my Guzzi but it's seeming more and more not worth the effort, especially if yours is just a bolt on

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 01, 2016, 15:21:21
The seat is from Dime City Cycles. It is real leather. They make the same seat in vinyl as well. I really like it. Seems comfy sitting on the bike making vroom vroom sounds in the garage but I have not ridden on it yet.


I had a bar welded to the frame in the front and two brackets in the rear to mount it. I hold it on with some R clips.





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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: DJsalinger on Aug 01, 2016, 15:54:40
Really nice. Keep up the great work
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 03, 2016, 11:36:45
I have a question about my rear brake. I didn't notice the gap before I took it apart. Not to say it wasn't there, everything was painted black. I made sure to keep everything together, so I am not missing anything. Is that gap between the hub and brake plate normal? I did a Google image search but couldn't find anything.




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 03, 2016, 13:20:46
Another question.
Working on the exhaust. I want upswept mufflers. Right now I have the header and a H-pipe that ends about where the rearset is. I was thinking of these -
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But I was going to wrap the header and H-pipe and then wanted stainless upswepts to match the reverse cones that I plan to get.

any idea where to get them? Or where to get some stainless (either brushed or polished) reverse come mufflers that wont break the bank?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: DJsalinger on Aug 06, 2016, 00:20:12
My rear drum has a gap. Looks ok to me. Is the gap the same size the whole way round or is it narrower in a spot(s)? It may just seem abnormally large with how clean your parts are

I haven't mucked around with exhausts yet. I'm still running BUB's my dad put on in the seventies. MG cycle, Harpers, eBay?
Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 13, 2016, 12:55:46
Need help with rear sets
I have a cluster F going on.

What is the ideal ratio? I have indexable rear sets, should the shifter and the tab on the shift shaft be parallel? If I index it one way or the other, do I get better leverage both ways - up and down shifting?

I am going to use the shifter I have as the lever on the shift shaft since it is welded. I plan to cut it and bend it and make it accept the other end of the linkage.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 13, 2016, 15:38:10
The rear brake is even more funky.

See the pics. The old brake lever will have to attach to the new one, but it is on close for a linkage, I think.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 13, 2016, 15:39:53
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Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: advCo on Aug 13, 2016, 15:50:07
I have a set of those upsweep adapters from DCC I'm not using, if you decide to go that route I can cut you a deal. Check out Cone Engineering (I think it's coneeng.com) for mufflers, they have a good selection of SS and mild steel exhaust parts.

As far as the rear sets go, you want the mounting point for the rod on the rear sets to be parallel to the shift lever. As for the brake, it may be tough to adapt the stock lever with the proximity, but it's the same principal. You may be able to rotate he stock lever so it points to 9:00, and then relocate the mounting point on the rear set to be parallel to it when your pedal is in a comfortable position. Or run a cable, which is a bit more involved but a good solution.

This is the best pic I got available of how I ran the shifter side on the 360, hopefully it helps.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 15, 2016, 15:09:48
I have a set of those upsweep adapters from DCC I'm not using, if you decide to go that route I can cut you a deal. Check out Cone Engineering (I think it's coneeng.com) for mufflers, they have a good selection of SS and mild steel exhaust parts.

As far as the rear sets go, you want the mounting point for the rod on the rear sets to be parallel to the shift lever. As for the brake, it may be tough to adapt the stock lever with the proximity, but it's the same principal. You may be able to rotate he stock lever so it points to 9:00, and then relocate the mounting point on the rear set to be parallel to it when your pedal is in a comfortable position. Or run a cable, which is a bit more involved but a good solution.

This is the best pic I got available of how I ran the shifter side on the 360, hopefully it helps.

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can you PM what you want for the upsweep adapters shipped to 44039?

thanks!
Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 15, 2016, 16:41:29
I have not made great progress lately.
This is due the the crazy heat & humidity and other garage projects.

I found a great deal on rims for my car, they were for sale for ever, but the seller wouldn't drop his price from $800. After more then 2 months he came down to $700 and I drove 150 miles to pick them up.

I know they are not everyone's taste, but I like them.  They had huge rear drag radials on the rear - 305/30-R20. They wouldn't fit my car, so I swapped them out and sold them for $400 to some guy with a Hellcat Challenger.

next was getting our street bikes ready for a three day trip to WV and Virginia. I mounted a RAM phone mount to my wife's 1098 triple clamp nut, doing brakes on them and mounting new tires. I need to look over the clutch on my Monster as it is not releasing right a way when I pull it in. I think that I may need a new basket - last time I changed plates, it was starting to bet pretty notchy. 














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Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 15, 2016, 16:54:29
Here is what I did get done.

I got the wiring put back in. It is a mess, but it turns over. I need to go one by one and replace them to get rid of the mess and extra connectors that don't serve any purpose. I plan to clean it up and wrap them.

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I have a vent on the rear end. originally, there was a 3' piece of hose that went under the tank with a filter on it. I threw a gas tank vent from a dirt bike on it. If it pukes oil, I will go to "plan B"

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I did pick up a velocity stack from DCC - a cheap thin aluminum one that was only $14. It fits, I will pick up another next time I place an order.


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I also found a light that I like for under the seat. I need to come up with a mounting solution. Right now it is just held on with tape or with the plate on the tire. Cost $18.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: lc4dakar on Aug 16, 2016, 12:27:57
Need help with rear sets
I have a cluster F going on.


The angle isn't too critical.  If you zoom in you can see I have a pretty good angle on my rearset linkage.  I will probably drop it one hole when I start fine tuning the bike, but it shifts fine the way it is.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 16, 2016, 17:49:32
lc4dakar - thanks!

BTW: How did you mount the plate in the rear?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: brad black on Aug 17, 2016, 04:59:01
the rear drives vent into the swingarm.  no need for an external one.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 17, 2016, 11:15:36
the rear drives vent into the swingarm.  no need for an external one.


Yeah, I know. But the previous owner did such a nice job brazing in a vent to the filler. That vent was cheaper then a replacement filler cap.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 17, 2016, 11:19:26
I made up a quick steel mount for the light.

I will either rework it to make it look nicer or make another out of aluminum.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: lc4dakar on Aug 17, 2016, 15:40:08
Here is the license plate and tail light mount.  It's hard to see, but there are two 1"x1/16" bars supporting it from the bike.  I tried one bar and it flexed too much, so I triangulated it with a second bar.

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Here is how I mounted the Benelli tank.  The bracket is for mounting a light on a Harley fork.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 22, 2016, 17:48:32
Paint time

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 22, 2016, 17:49:15
The color is VW Denim Blue


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 22, 2016, 17:51:23
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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: advCo on Aug 22, 2016, 17:54:04
The paint work looks killer. I dig the insignia, nice work if you freehanded that 8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: XVRacer on Aug 22, 2016, 18:35:55
Wow! I love the color. Nice work.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Aug 23, 2016, 01:00:35
Very nice job especially considering your "paint-booth" - this is a true craftsmans job!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 24, 2016, 08:35:25
Added a LED for a neutral light.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Aug 24, 2016, 14:36:26
That is a very cool detail, nicely done.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 10:42:05
Finally got the rear sets sorted.
I cut down the shifter and rear brake levers, ground them down and drilled and tapped them.

I bought the DCC linkage kit. I need to cut the polished aluminum tube to cover the all thread and paint the old brake and shifter.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 16:25:19
Got a question.
What is this white thing?

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I have this resistor below for the starter, but there are only 2 wires, a ground and a hot from the battery.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Aug 29, 2016, 16:32:23
Is there a good reason you have mountrd the shift linkage underneath the footpeg? Tarozzi rearsets normally runs on the upper side giving more space to the exhaust.

I'm not sure about the break side, it may be the only option running drum brake? And it may not br an issue depending on which exhaust you go for
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Aug 29, 2016, 16:34:17
Black box Looks like a relay, for the mainlight maybe? Schematics show you close the relay applying a hot wire to the coil
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 18:24:57
So,
The white thing.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160829/a4b526c816a4d8054f119026591cd786.jpg)

Z- is to the green wire next to the main power on the starter solenoid. With the blue connector.


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X- goes to the main red wire on the stator.

Y- to the push button starter.




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 18:28:07
The black one doesn't seem to serve any purpose.
I don't have the headlight hooked up yet, how do I wire that in to the relay? I want it always on, no switch and right now no high beam.



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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Aug 29, 2016, 18:30:20
Any labels on the pins? It looks like it could be the voltage regulator.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 18:33:02
I put the shifter on the bottom as it did t matter when I mocked it up. There is plenty of room. I plan to use this exhaust but with different muffler cans.

I think it is better on the bottom, it won't be in my way.


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The brake side is different. There is no way to put it lower as it will foul the brake shaft. I need to change out the bolt with something that will not stick out as much.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 18:39:00

Any labels on the pins? It looks like it could be the voltage regulator.

Same symbols as this

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Here is my reg/rec

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The wiring is/was a mess. I am almost done. I got the rear light and rear brake switch done and the rest I understand. It is just that on resistor, it must be fore the headlight. All I have left to hook up is the headlight and the front hyd brake switch. I broke the wires on the other one and bought one with a brembo thread.

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I have brembo master and calipers but the junction block has Nissan threads.






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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Aug 29, 2016, 18:42:32
If it's the same symbol as the black box? In that case, it's probably just a relay for the solenoid.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 18:58:17
One last question (for now).
I have a mini switch that I want to use for the start button.
With that white resistor or relay, can I use the small switch with thin wire safely? Or will I melt it?

The switch now uses a pretty heavy wire compared to the new switch.

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See above. The thin wire is like 18 ga. The heavy black wire is to the existing switch. It goes to the Y on the white relay

Btw

Here is my wiring sketch

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Aug 29, 2016, 18:59:19
You should be OK, but I'd test it just to be sure. You should be able to activate the relay by connecting directly to a battery. Use a multimeter to measure the current. Anything under 3A should be fine for 18 gauge.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 29, 2016, 19:33:39
Thanks!


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Aug 30, 2016, 06:06:50
Looks nice with the rear sets, I see there is plenty of room with the exhaust you have chosen. I have Lafranconi Competizione with a LM1000 middle section and there's no way I could run the linkage like you do. Really inspiring to follow this Guzzi!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Harsh on Aug 30, 2016, 08:18:40
Rusnak...where did you find that tail light?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 30, 2016, 09:26:27
Rusnak...where did you find that tail light?

Amazon. $18 with free prime shipping. I will try to find a link to it.

It was cheap enough to take a risk that it wouldn't fit.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 30, 2016, 09:34:18
I mounted the light over the weekend

Used some glue and rivets

I put an crap load of tape on the drill bit to limit the depth as I am someone who would drill right thur the seat and poke out the top side.

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I ground the bracket to give it some teeth for the glue to stick to.

I regret not thinking ahead and painting the raw steel bracket before I attached it.




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 30, 2016, 09:43:01
Here is the light -

https://www.amazon.com/Rupse-Motorcycle-Kawasaki-Choppers-Scooters/dp/B00F38NG2S/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1471013182&sr=1-1&keywords=Rupse+Cateye

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Harsh on Aug 30, 2016, 12:47:20
Thanks man I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 12, 2016, 22:24:24
Have not made huge progress that can be seen in pictures, I spent way too long figuring out the wiring. It was a huge mess, I am not finished, but close.

I also had some work to do on our normal street bikes. My wife and I went on a 3 day trip thru the mountains of West Virginia and Virginia over the weekend for our anniversary.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 12, 2016, 22:29:09
I did buy some mufflers and exhaust wrap that I have yet to get installed.

How do you use this type of hanger? I had these hangers on a old exhaust and I swear there was either a captive nut or a bolt behind it. I have no clue how I will tighten a nut  there as I don't think a wrench will fit and the nut will have room to spin

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 12, 2016, 22:33:33
Also,  I am waiting on some wiring loom cover that I ordered. But anyone have an idea on what I can use to cover the bolts on the starter?
That is a always hot lead from the starter

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: advCo on Sep 12, 2016, 22:51:15
I did buy some mufflers and exhaust wrap that I have yet to get installed.

How do you use this type of hanger? I had these hangers on a old exhaust and I swear there was either a captive nut or a bolt behind it. I have no clue how I will tighten a nut  there as I don't think a wrench will fit and the nut will have room to spin


A carriage bolt from the muffler side would probably work to attach to a bracket for hanging, or a square nut on the back side of the right size should prevent it from spinning as well. McMaster also sells these nifty channel nuts...

(http://images1.mcmaster.com/mvB/contents/gfx/large/94750a584c1-dark-b01-digitall.png?ver=1428393928)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 13, 2016, 00:47:09
Also,  I am waiting on some wiring loom cover that I ordered. But anyone have an idea on what I can use to cover the bolts on the starter?
That is a always hot lead from the starter

These should do the trick:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331081950192
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 13, 2016, 22:24:25
Got the exhaust wrap on one side.. Not as hard as I was expecting.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 16, 2016, 10:51:29
I made some quick brackets to attach the pipes to the rearsets.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 16, 2016, 10:59:55
I have a issue with the tank.
The petcocks too close to the heads to turn them off. I can cut them, but it will make it hard to turn and I am worried about heat.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Kamn on Sep 16, 2016, 11:05:16
I wouldn't be worried about the heat, my petcock is just as close as your if not closer on a CX
But I would turn it a little to have better access to the petcock
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 16, 2016, 11:09:02
I am also worried that the 5/16" fuel lines will not flow enough to prevent starvation. But there are two petcocks so it may be a non issue


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 18, 2016, 18:14:12
First test ride today!


Here is a before and after comparison



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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 18, 2016, 18:19:48
The main changes are really just tank, seat, mufflers and rear sets. I don't have a lot of money into it, but a ton of time making sure everything is as nice as I could make it, within a tight budget.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: jag767 on Sep 19, 2016, 03:26:26
Looks fantastic!!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 20, 2016, 12:40:12
posted this in the rear set forum as well -

See below: I am having a issue, I cannot figure out. My rear brakes worked fine when I took the bike apart. I marked the drum side to make sure that I reassembled the linkages in the exact same spot on the shafts. My rear sets didn't work at all at first. I then tightened the adjuster nut all the way in on the drum side and then lengthened the rear set linkage and now it works a little. Not good enough to stop the bike at speed, but at walking pace.

I know it is an adjustment issue. I want to shorten the linkage back up as the pedal is too high.

Would moving the indexable part of the brake pedal either way change anything? I think that I need to make the brake shaft turn more vs the brake pedal and I would think that only changing the mounting point height on the either the pedal or the other part would help.

I could make the linkage attach at a lower point on the end that isn't the pedal (know what I mean?) see my sketch. I could go from the right side to the left side.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 20, 2016, 12:41:00
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160920/bb3a9750b6009bce6ac1f31d15366390.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 20, 2016, 12:44:46
Pic attached...

Try to adjust everything so that you're working with right angles when it comes to the controls. The rearsets looks like they're indexable, so you should be able to move things without moving the location of the foot lever.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 20, 2016, 13:05:12
they were close to right angles when I started. that little threaded rod is adjusted out about as far as it can go (I have plenty of threaded bar to make a longer one). But it works better now that it is longer then it did when it was shorter, which I don't really understand.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 20, 2016, 13:07:18
I just noticed that your rear drum is 2LS, too. Make sure your adjustment on the shoes is correct. I was fighting a similar problem on the front brakes on my 360 for a while and it turned out that the shoes weren't applying equal pressure to the drum.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 20, 2016, 16:30:16
" adjustment on the shoes" what does that mean?

before I took it apart, I took a saw and made a notch on the two splined shafts and the linkage to make sure they were exactly the same when I re-assembled. They worked as good as drum brakes could prior to disassembly. that is why I suspect the rear sets are not correct.

What adjustment can I do to make the bottom shaft to move a greater arc then the shaft lever shaft?

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 20, 2016, 16:31:24
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160920/8b578b1d5a63fbacc4ba3cb3e62a7977.jpg)


I made this at lunch trying to figure it out

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 20, 2016, 16:39:24
On the drum, the shaft I've indicated in the pic should have some adjustment in it.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 20, 2016, 21:59:10
Not much adjustment. Think I should try to lengthen it?
I think that it is where it was when I got the bike.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160920/8e773c1d3e881902050813493f8be2fa.jpg)

You can see the marks I made

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160920/2a560f866d6cdfd3c0ac8cb214acf2dd.jpg)


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Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 20, 2016, 22:00:45
These should do the trick:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331081950192

I got the one in you link. A little larger then I was expecting, but it works! Thanks

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I arced the positive side when my wrench hit it while adjusting the shift linkage
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Petrus Rocks on Sep 21, 2016, 22:01:15
If you remove one side of the linkage on the brake drum, then apply both brakes, you can check the linkage rod length compared to where the brake shoes stop.
What is probably happening is one shoe hits before the other and you only get 1/2 the stopping power.  My bet is you will shorten the linkage rod. 
If you're interested , you can re-arc the brake shoes so they contact fully with the drum.  You spray glue sandpaper to the inside of the brake hub-220 grit.
Lightly apply the brakes  as you turn them inside the hub.  Remove and you will see the high spots.  Keep turning and applying until you have full contact.  Vacuum up the dust with a good vacuum, wear a mask.  Old brake shoes may contain asbestos.  If this scares you, there are brake and clutch companies that can do this process.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 22, 2016, 12:54:46
Should the linkage be adjusted so that there is no free play and no "preload" on the brakes?



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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 22, 2016, 13:01:15
I think one of my issues is that the old brake directly acted on the shaft. Now with my linkage, the stub on the brake lever is shorter then the stub on the shaft, so for any given travel, it is turning less degrees. Is that colorectal thinking?
I can  shorten the one, but not lengthen the other.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 22, 2016, 17:37:13
Man I want this helmet -


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 22, 2016, 20:47:07
It lives!
I road it about 6 miles tonight.
Need a little tweaking still but I have Saturday for that and Sunday is the Distinguished Gentleman's Ride - Cleveland. I set that as my goal to get it road worthy.

I still cannot find a cool headlight  that I like and I will need shocks and a horn eventually.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 23, 2016, 10:38:07
I think a Lucas S700P would look good on this one.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: hidn45 on Sep 23, 2016, 13:58:48
Stunning!  She would be a hit at one of the Guzzi rallies.  Interested?  New Cumberland, WV; Westfield, NY; Zanesville, OH?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Sep 24, 2016, 15:23:13
What a beauty, well done!

Regarding your rear brake, I think the issue is in connecting rod between the pedals short arm and the arm on the "transverse shaft" which transforms the movement from the right side of the bike to the left. Is it possible to shorten the connection rod so all linkages are square? I can't explain exactly why but I think it will help
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 24, 2016, 16:43:56
 I just got done playing with it. I took it down the driveway and left a 4 foot skidmark.
Maybe a little too touchy now.

I shortened the one lever and then shortened the linkage between the two drums.

I read a how to for front drums, take the linkage off one side and pull  until you feel it start to drag. Mark the top. Do it again on the other side and put the linkage on so that the marks are at the top. Then adjust the linkage to fit.

I had to cut 1/2" of threads off both sides as they were all the way in and I couldn't shorten it anymore.

Thanks for the help everyone.

I have the distinguished gentlemens ride tomorrow and that will be the big test.




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My wife is going to ride my monster to carry tools and look for parts that fall off.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 26, 2016, 17:20:08
Well, the distinguished gentlemens ride was a blast. Did 75 miles. needed to do 85 miles to get the bike back home.

Started off well enough.

I made it nine houses from home before my shifter linkage fell off (forgot to tighten the lock nuts). I made a quick fix and was off.
At the first stop, the bike wouldn't start. I tried to bump start it and when I flopped down on the seat as I dumped the clutch, the plate hit the rear tire and folded under. I had my neighbor who outweighs me by a good amount hop up and down on the bike before I left checking to make sure that this would NOT happen. Oh well. Ran without plate.

Then the shifter stopped shifting, I couldn't get it to shift into anything except 2nd and 3rd. I don't know what was different, but it now hits no matter what I adjusted. I know how to fix it, I just need my angle grinder.

Anyway, the battery was flat, I never checked to make sure that it was charging when I rode, but I am hoping it is just a bad battery. I drained it when I wired the bike and it wouldn't hold a charge, then all of the sudden it did again.

On the way home (the long way that would allow as few stops and no highways - 3rd gear isn't that tall) the tail light and speedo stopped working and then a few miles later the bike just died.

Fortunately in a good part of town and I found a homeowner that let me park it in their driveway. I pulled the seat cover off the Monster and my wife rode on the back of that home (without any pass footpegs) to get the trailer.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 26, 2016, 17:21:06
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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 26, 2016, 17:29:36
BTW:
the rearsets are ridiculously high. Raising them up and having a lowered seat made them pretty dam cramped.

the guzzi motor is ridiculously torquey. Hoping off of that and on to the Monster, it made the 999cc Ducati twin feel gutless. And that was with not having 1st gear most of the time!

The bike got a lot of attention at the ride. other then the shifter and battery, it was great. I know it was a little ambitious to go on a long ride after only a single 6 mile shakedown ride two days prior. BTW: I almost never used the back brake. I never use it on my street bike either, all that effort and I forgot about even having it. The front brakes work decent, the forks and shocks are way to soft - something to look at upgrading over the winter.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Sep 27, 2016, 08:24:59
Hats off you did the ride with the bike!

As for the starting issue: I found my 1000SP hard to start even with halfcharged battery. I run a smaller battery and I think it's hard for it to deliver enough juice to crank the engine when not at good charging level. Another issue could be worn starter especially since it looks like you have the old Bosch starter, there are several replacements on ebay. I bought a "valeo copy" for ~50€ last year and it works perfect. It's also stronger than the original Bosch type if you choose a 1.1 or 1.2kW - Bosch is only 600W.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Anlasser-Starter-fur-Moto-Guzzi-California-Le-Mans-Daytona-Centauro-/122052382374?hash=item1c6ae38ea6:g:UJcAAOSwRgJXkFnv

When I had the 30mm carbs I also found out you should open them slightly when starting hot, otherwise I couldn't make it fire. I even think the manual says something like 1/3 open, try to experiment with this once you got the electrical issues sorted out.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 27, 2016, 09:42:17
Pretty sure it was the fact that I drained the battery dead when doing the wiring. It starts faster then any bike I have ever owned. it seems to fire within 1 revolution of the crank. even after I had it in pieces, it fired right up. Weather it is the battery not recharging or not holding a charge, there isn't any issue with the starter, timing or carbs.

it has a pretty big battery for a motorcycle -  200 CCA and it is the stock battery for Buell, HD and Aprilia. I have one being delivered to the store - Wal Mart for $39. It is a little pain to get the battery in the box under the engine, but once I get it I will throw the multi meter on it to see how the stator is performing.


Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Sep 28, 2016, 04:47:23
It's probably just the drained battery then. My Bosch was worn out when I bought the bike and the relay only clicked most of the time.

As for your gearbox issue: All Guzzi's seem to have a weak point between 2nd and 3rd gear and you could often find an extra neutral there. It feels like you should "shift a little higher" going from 2nd to 3rd than going from 3rd to 4th and so on. I've learned to keep the pressure upwards on the shift pedal until I feel too "engagement clonks" in the gearbox and then release the clutch. But even after 6000km I still miss from time to time

I've been told it's due to the shimming of the shift mechanism. It could be yours need adjustment or the rear sets have amplified the  issue with the more loose connections? It may be worth fitting the original shift pedal and take a ride to see if it's working then?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: hidn45 on Sep 29, 2016, 13:53:24
If you find you do need Guzzi tranny work, there's a fellow named Dave Blue who is a Guzzi wizard, esp. trans work, & I believe he's somewhere in or near Ohio.  Used to wrench for a Guzzi race team or 2 back in the '70's - '80's.  I'll dig up some contact info if you need it.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: tattoo on Sep 29, 2016, 22:31:15
Just read through your thread....very nice end result there!!

Congrats, and I'm sure you'll work the little niggles out.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 30, 2016, 12:37:09

Just read through your thread....very nice end result there!!

Congrats, and I'm sure you'll work the little niggles out.

Thanks!


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 30, 2016, 12:42:29
I think my shifter issue is easily solved.
When it rattled apart, I thought I had   a fix, but the adjustment was off causing the gold hemi joint to hit the shift arm.

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At the next stop I adjusted again ( and it seemed to work) but once moving, the indexable arm hit the shaft for the rear brake.

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I plan to cut that shaft down and put a hole in it and hold it on with a washer and a cotter pin or R clip.




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Sep 30, 2016, 17:17:27
Perhaps you should move the shifter linkage above the footrest too? Thats how it is supposed to work and there will be less items to avoid.

If the shifter arm is made shorter you will need less travel with the pedal too. Right now you are going from a short arm to a longer so the shifter pedal need to rotate more than the shifter arm for a given movement of the gear shift arm at the gearbox. I suggest to make the shifter srm same length as the arm on the pedal
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Sep 30, 2016, 17:21:06
When I say "shifter arm" I mean the arm attached to the shaft going through the frame from first threaded linkage bar...the one you customized earlier on. Hope its clear
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 03, 2016, 19:59:02
I have been sick lately but I did get the new battery in and cut off the shaft that stuck out. I took it for a quick test ride and it shifter fine, but the throws are too long.  I will look at flipping the linkage but the big problem is that it is really hard to get the bolts that hold the lower subframe to line up and I will have to take them out to flip the indexable arm on the shifter.

Bike starts right up. I still need to verify that the battery is being charges when running.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 04, 2016, 15:31:46
OK,
tested the bike. at the battery when running I am only seeing 12.2V - about the same as I had before starting. doesn't change with RPM.
there is a red and two yellow wires out of the stator, what I the easy way to test if the problem is my wiring harness or if the stator is bad?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 04, 2016, 15:55:17
Unless I'm looking at the wrong diagram (definitely possible), then that's a lot fewer wires than I would expect.

I'm seeing three yellows, a blue, a black, and a brown/black?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 04, 2016, 16:51:52
Here is the diagram I made when I took it apart. all wires and connectors that were on the bike were on this sheet.

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But looking at it, I am not sure how the electricity is supposed to get back to the battery.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 04, 2016, 16:54:22
There should be a red wire leading from the rectifier directly to the positive terminal of the battery.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 04, 2016, 17:01:57
I guess when the "on switch" is on, the two yellows go into the reg/req and out the "I." and then to the starter terminal that the positive battery cable is attached to.

it that correct?

I still have a lot to learn when it comes to electrical.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 04, 2016, 17:50:05
I'd open up the alternator cover and take a look at things. I think you should have three yellows.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 05, 2016, 15:40:36
here is the insides -

only 3 wires coming out. I felt the harness and there are no more cut short and hiding in there.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 05, 2016, 16:28:19
How about under the cover?

It should look something like this?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 05, 2016, 17:00:15
Looks like the Saprisa alternator is correct. 2 yellow and a red direct to the battery. 

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 05, 2016, 17:02:04
Interesting. I didn't know about too many bikes that use generators.

Sounds like you maybe just need a new regulator then?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Oct 05, 2016, 22:45:49
You have the same confusing setup as my Guzzi, same Rectifier/alternator, the two yellows go to the rectifier and the red goes directly to the battery. Which isn't what I'm used to seeing on other bikes I've worked on. I asked for advice about this, and got the following answer..

''The control device can be anywhere in the circuit, here it's between chassis and each yellow wire connected to a rectifier inside the regulator. When the yellow wire goes Negative the rectifier clamps it to the chassis which forces the center tap (red wire) to go Positive and push current to the battery.

Half a cycle later when the other yellow wire goes Negative, it's rectifier again forces the center tap to charge the battery.
This idea was very common in old tube radios.

In this arrangement each coil only works half the time

In this case the rectifiers are not just common diodes they will be Silicon Controlled Rectifiers that can be turned off when the battery is up to Voltage effectively breaking the circuit''.

Which is a bit over my head lol... but I take from this that rather than the current from the alternator, being rectified by the rectifier before it continues on to charge the battery, instead in the Guzzi set up, the rectifier (via the two yellow wires) control the current in the alternator causing it to be rectified at the source (ie the alternator) so the current can go directly to the battery vi the red wire.

Also note that the ground wire to the regulator is very important, ground it to a bolt or screw on the engine.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: brad black on Oct 08, 2016, 08:23:35
if it's got a saprisa can you piss that off and fit a ducati alt and reg from a later model, even a small block 750 breva or nevada.  never seen one like this fitted to an oldie.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 15, 2016, 22:23:02
OK I got it sorted.mi didn't have a hot 12v to the rectifier. Put that in place and all is good.

Went on a 45 mile ride today with zero issues. The only thing I need to do is tweak the shifter so that the throws are not so long. I got a few false neutrals because of that.

I also have a tiny tank! I was almost empty and put 1.2 gals in to fill it.

I went out just before dusk and took some pics.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Oct 16, 2016, 05:57:49
Good to hear you sorted it out.

Nice pictures in the sunset. And even the closeups are nice, a lot of bikes are best "from some distance" if you know what I mean.

False neutrals is a known issue on 5speed guzzis especially between 2 and 3. I get used to keep pressure on the shifter pedal while I release the clutch, then it stays in gear.

Do you only have 1.2 gallon in the gastank? Mine goes around 15km/ltr which equals something like 33miles per gallon so Im happy with the 20 ltr standard tank.

It looks like you run separate fuel lines to each carb? Standard is to run through a "crossover" where thr two sides meet, it may help you to get the last drops out of your tank
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: brad black on Oct 16, 2016, 08:05:14
cool.

i like synthetic gearbox oil in them.  helps with the shifts noticeably ime.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 17, 2016, 10:22:51
Beauty!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: HerrDeacon on Oct 17, 2016, 10:29:55
Going to have to change the name of this thread. It may still be a Goose but it sure ain't ugly anymore. Great looking bike and nice pictures!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 17, 2016, 11:22:58
Thanks!
Here is a pic that I was playing with in a photo app - I like how it came out.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: bex on Oct 17, 2016, 15:35:45
Nice build, looks great.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: tattoo on Oct 20, 2016, 09:20:19
Lot's to like about this one!!   Little details.....like how well the tank flows into the seat....

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 21, 2016, 22:09:23
Any idea how to mount a bottom mount headlight?

I like this one

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Nice and tight to the forks. It is a bottom mount. I have seen sheet metal brackets for them. Do you drill and tap the bottom triple tree? Does the bracket attach to the top or bottom of the lower triple clamp?




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: lc4dakar on Oct 31, 2016, 00:14:36
Easiest would be to fabricate a bracket and bolt it to the lower triple clamp.
Best way would be to fabricate a bracket and weld it to the front of the neck at the exact height you want.
Or you could drill and tap a hole in front of the neck and make sure the bolt doesn't extend too far into the tube.  Use red Loctite!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Nov 02, 2016, 09:52:17
Got to love 77 degree temps in November.

Went out for a fun solo ride to visit Cleveland MOTO and take some more pics in the Metropark.

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Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Nov 16, 2016, 17:34:09
Well the Bell Bullitt in blue didn't match well. Plus it it is pricey at $399

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I found a used white one in my size (XXL) on Craig's in TX with some light scratches. $120 shipped!!

Works for me as I plan to paint to match my bike, I have some ideas about putting the bird logo from my tank on it as well.

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Need to order a tinted bubble shield.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Nov 17, 2016, 05:57:45
Cool helmet, I've always wanted that model too.

I have a full-sized head too and like you have problems finding a fullface that fits. I had good experience with bandit alien though and recently bought a LS2 FF396 which fits at least my head well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mqYwUMRiyg
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Mar 15, 2017, 22:26:17
Getting the spring bug to work on it again.

Plans are to mount my new bottom mount LED headlight, which will require me to move the brake line junction.

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I want to replace the ugly long lines and I was thinking of going with two lines from the master cylinder.
I was also looking for info in how to shorten the forks. I have them dropped in the triple clamps for looks. I don't need them flush with the top triple, but I need to make some space if I go with a double banjo bolt on the front master.


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In the mean time, I am collections parts to get working on a XS400 Brat for my wife.








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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Mar 25, 2017, 18:12:40

I want to install a bottom mount headlight and tuck it in close to the bike.

Is there any reason to NOT drill into the lower triple clamp? I was thinking of making a bracket that would have two bolts attached to the triple and have the light mount to it.

There is some flat space below the clamp, I was originally thinking of tapping the hole and putting  nuts on the bottom.

Will this significantly weaken the part? I was also thinking that I could put the holes at the end of the slots (see pictures).

I can't really use the triple clamp bolts as easily as they are on an angle,  or straight out as on a Harley.

This is going on a 1970's Moto Guzzi.

And yes, I am going to do something about the long brake lines.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170325/14ae24dddb1e6a49f1d6900110ccba0f.jpg)


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Mar 26, 2017, 19:40:31
Ok,
So all the brackets that I have seen for sale that require you to drill holes in your triple tree were for sportsters, and they apparently have steel lower triples, not cast aluminum.

I started making a bracket that will use the center bolt and the two triple clamp bolts. I started with some paper.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170326/e919a94b005fe321d276c396baa9ae72.jpg)


But then when I went to look for some metal to make it, I came across a metal bracket out of som thinner metal with exactly the right size holes, unfortunately the headlight hole is offset, so there is no way to use it but with just the single bolt, it is very secure and I think it looks great.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170326/57fa395fd70af3c6c62459ad581f0055.jpg)


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Now to make it one of some thicker metal.



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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Mar 26, 2017, 22:27:01
Are you sure that this thin bracket will not let the headlight bounce up and down.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: spotty on Mar 26, 2017, 23:16:47
Are you sure that this thin bracket will not let the headlight bounce up and down.

that's how you get that traditional Italian flickering effect from the headlight whilst still having the benefits of LED technology
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: jag767 on Mar 26, 2017, 23:18:38
Yea, I would either box out the side and weld it, or go much thicker there.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Mar 26, 2017, 23:58:36
No, that thin bracket was just something I found laying around that I bolted up to see if the single bolt would work. It is pretty sturdy, but it moves the headlight off center.  My post had " now to make one out of thicker metal" under the last picture.

I plan to make one up in 3/16" steel. I may weld something on the back that will sit on the top of the lower triple clamp to keep it from going out of level.
Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Mar 27, 2017, 00:03:29
I also was playing with a photo app to try to get some of my pictures to look better. Here is one that I liked, but it came out too dark. I really have zero clue about that stuff.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/0727a5ef96865ea71d8ab4a73a8dc3f8.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Mar 27, 2017, 11:55:23
No, that thin bracket was just something I found laying around that I bolted up to see if the single bolt would work. It is pretty sturdy, but it moves the headlight off center.  My post had " now to make one out of thicker metal" under the last picture.

I plan to make one up in 3/16" steel. I may weld something on the back that will sit on the top of the lower triple clamp to keep it from going out of level.
Sorry, I missed that.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: guzzi850t on Apr 04, 2017, 23:08:34
Hey there, beautiful bike! Curious which rearsets you used, and how they mated up to the drum brake. I'm planning on doing the same thing, to my 850-T. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/a456e5e07510db6bbeecf463cc8fa59c.jpg)


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Apr 07, 2017, 19:04:36
Anyone ever use emachine.com or other online machine shops? I was thin king about getting a headlight mount made up. I wouldn't want to spend more then say $100, but it would be a pretty simple and small part.


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Title: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Apr 07, 2017, 19:14:20
Hey there, beautiful bike! Curious which rearsets you used, and how they mated up to the drum brake. I'm planning on doing the same thing, to my 850-T. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/a456e5e07510db6bbeecf463cc8fa59c.jpg)


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The rear sets are Dime City Cycles indexable universal. My wife needed a Father's Day gift idea from the kids at the last min and I didn't really have time to think it thru. I like them a lot, but had to modify them.

Getting them to work was a pain. I wound up buying a set of used tarozzi brackets and cutting the stock shifter and brake pedals to get them to work.

I also bought a DCC linkage kit to hook them up.

There was no off the shelf solution.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170407/cd77a89da61711ef099ceb313d791b04.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: guzzi850t on Apr 07, 2017, 22:21:27
I thought those looked like tarozzis. So you couldn't mount the rearsets without the passenger peg brackets? Do you feel like the rear brake is compromised with less leverage at the pedal?


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Apr 07, 2017, 23:29:14
I didn't even consider passenger pegs with my bike, but i don't see why you couldn't use them.

I adjusted my brake to where the throw was where I wanted it. The rear brake can lock up the rear with no issue, but to be honest, I never use the rear brake on street bikes.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Apr 12, 2017, 11:31:50
I bought some new (used) shocks.
Marzocchi that were supposably off a Guzzi race bike. From what I have read, they are easily rebuildable. The look cool, or will once cleaned up. The shocks on my bike now are crap no name and ugly.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Apr 15, 2017, 20:11:30
Got my new shocks cleaned up and installed.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Apr 18, 2017, 04:57:30
These shocks look really cool!

I'm wondering if they are supposed to be mounted with the reservoir down? My first thought would be to mount them with the reservoir upwards so they are part of the suspended weight and not bouncing up and down with the wheel.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Apr 18, 2017, 07:52:04
That is the way that they mounted them back in the day. And for me now, that is the look that I am going after.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Apr 18, 2017, 16:48:16
I see - they look good that way too!
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 09, 2017, 17:35:25
I need custom shorter lines for cosmetic reasons. I went to the place I have used in the past, Spigler. I need 2 lines 13" (300 mm) long each. I want each to have a 45 degree banjo on one end and the other will have a 10 degree banjo. Just silver with clear cover, nothing fancy. They want $114 plus $10 shipping which was way more than expected. I was hoping to get it for under $75.

Looking at what I have now, they have a place to put a wrench that I have not seen before on aftermarket brake lines.

Could these have been from a "make at home" kit? Can I shorten them? Or is that ¿no bueno?

There are these for sale -


http://www.motoparthub.com/392135_MAGNUM_Universal_Build_Your_Own_byo_Dot_Brake_Lines_Banjo_Brake_Byo_35_10mm?src=Google&gclid=CjsKDwjw0cXIBRCxjqnE3K3sHhIkAL1LezTj9t_aPwHgsLjTU0cE0Fi0cZeuk960d59Tn0jbpZbqGgLOX_D_BwE




And these -

https://revivalcycles.com/collections/collections-braking/products/banjo-fittings


Here is what I have-


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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170509/79c4ff36b09e8fa9b1823361fe6837a0.jpg)




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: spotty on May 10, 2017, 00:45:30
they are indeed a 'home made' kit, though they may have been prof built, I had a set made for the Vmax by a friend who restores bikes for a living and they were great until total failure set in. with no warning one of the hoses parted company with the banjo with predictable results. luckily I was out on the freeway and just applying a touch of front brakes as I took an off ramp but it could have been a lot worse.......
they can be shortened, all you need to do is pull them apart and use a grinder / chop saw to cut them to length then re-assemble.
I wouldn't unless the cost of new lines is beyond your means, that many joins and sealing surfaces is too many for my liking. I know that any people have and do use them for brakes as well as oil lines (which is where the idea came from in the first place) but never again for me
the only way you'll know they don't work any more is when they don't work when you need them

also should you be tempted by the name Galfer who are a well known brake line etc maker, avoid them like the plague. I had two of their brake lines literally fall apart. again not under any time of emergency but never a good thing. one of them snapped the banjo off while removing the back wheel and the tyre caught the caliper, so no more pressure than hands holding the wheel. the other one snapped the banjo off whilst hanging the front calipers on the end of the lines while changing the front wheel (and yes I know you're not supposed to do it but we all have and this is the first time I've ever heard of it happening)
I have in the past had a braided line on my old Honda 750 which was a couple of inches short and actually acted as a suspension travel limiter (again,. yes I know it wasn't a good idea) and it never showed any signs of trouble
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 10, 2017, 23:32:28
I went ahead and bought them. I asked if there was any options to make them cheaper and Spigler dropped $15 off. No sense cheaping out on something so important.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 22, 2017, 15:28:08
Got my new front brake lines installed. Much better.

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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/190b832354a04194d55de027cee79781.jpg)


I also made up a mount for the LED headlight. It works, but I need to remake it to look better.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 22, 2017, 15:37:22
I also installed a horn as I really didn't like riding without one. I honesty don't know where it came from, some old bike I must have had.

I used the same mini button I used for the starter. I don't understand how they are supposed to be installed. They have a washer that perfectly fits the 7/8" bar, and are threaded with a nut. But there is no way to get the nut on and tighten it.

I just did what I did on the starter and squirted some silicon into the hole with the button.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/8688deec3aa14ac34a5e5323a1f67db7.jpg)


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 22, 2017, 16:07:17
Looking at the pics, there is no way I am ever getting that clutch perch off without removing the horn button. it is a one piece and not much bigger than the bar dia. On the other side of it would be too far to reach.

Now all I have to do to call this one done is wire up the horn, headlight (will be easy, but using a connector vs direct wiring the last one), wiring up the neutral light on the tank (have one in the gauge - so I will tap into that and keep them both) and then maybe buying the GPS adder to the gauge to get rid of the ugly wire to the front wheel speed sensor.

I cant think of anything else that I need.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on May 24, 2017, 00:14:49
Not bad for an old tractor. ;)

Looking good, man.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 25, 2017, 17:42:00
Thanks man, I am proud of how it came out.   8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 30, 2017, 21:57:27
Need help finding a switch. Looking for a micro button to use to switch between low and high beams on my headlight.

Would like something small with a led to let me know the high beams are on.

Would this work? I think that what I need is a single pole, double throw (SPDT). Would I need a relay or something to reduce voltage going before  the switch? Any idea how to wire?

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/dimmers-and-switches/led-indicator-push-button-switch/1201/3600/?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=base&utm_content=CPBT-SPx&utm_campaign=GoogleBaseChild&gclid=CjwKEAjwsLTJBRCvibaW9bGLtUESJAC4wKw1BGAyhEzgtU08Br8vevZYQ4J_EpOfPIMkHS5T3l8_ABoCAFXw_wcB#tab/Accessories/subtab/wiring

http://www.12volt.com.au/redirect.html?a=/General%20Htmls/webcat2003/switches.html




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on May 30, 2017, 22:10:42
Yup. Single pole, double throw should have a setting like so:

low/off/high

It's a three way switch.

So long as it's rated for 6A or better, no relay will be needed.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Wahoo650 on May 31, 2017, 14:28:35
I also installed a horn as I really didn't like riding without one. I honesty don't know where it came from, some old bike I must have had.

I used the same mini button I used for the starter. I don't understand how they are supposed to be installed. They have a washer that perfectly fits the 7/8" bar, and are threaded with a nut. But there is no way to get the nut on and tighten it.

I just did what I did on the starter and squirted some silicon into the hole with the button.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/8688deec3aa14ac34a5e5323a1f67db7.jpg)


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Ed,  you know I love the bike, but looking at these pics, can't help but think the lowers are on the wrong sides.  Would put calipers, lines etc. all to the rear. much cleaner.  Like the green 850-T on the previous page.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on May 31, 2017, 15:34:35
Ed,  you know I love the bike, but looking at these pics, can't help but think the lowers are on the wrong sides.  Would put calipers, lines etc. all to the rear. much cleaner.  Like the green 850-T on the previous page.



I purposely put them on that way. When I got the bike, they were behind the forks. But they were originally in the front from the factory, but if you look at the pic, the lines are ran different as there is a weird linked brake system with one caliper and the rear disk working together. I cannot do that as I have a drum rear, someone had grafted on a dual disk front end from a T3 to a standard 850T.


I prefer them that way as there is a neat little Guzzi bird logo cast into them that you cant see when turned.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/69/87/af/6987afa358d8fe83c7228ed74380ae56.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Jun 06, 2017, 13:30:39
Le Mans 1 had the calibers in the front too while Le Mans 2 (and SP1000/CX100) and onwards had them in the back. So it must be something with the year of manufacturing.. .and the lower section look COOL with the small engravement. Wish my SP1000 had that detail too
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jun 16, 2017, 17:10:46
Has anyone ever used a GPS speedo?
the speedometer on my bike has the ability to upgrade to a GPS. It isn't cheap at $132

https://www.amazon.com/Koso-KK000001-Speed-Signal-Converter/dp/B01II29JH6/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1497643259&sr=1-1&keywords=koso+gps

(http://www.maxiscoot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/273fe73c516cc2b029d5af29aaf1e15a/k/o/ko-kk000001-03_01.jpg)


The speed reader that works off of magnets on the front wheel is UGLY. the wire is very thick and needs a lot of zip ties to keep it close to the front brake line.

with the drum/shaft drive rear wheel, there is no way to mount it in the back.

How well do these work? does the black box have to be mounted anywhere special? In line of sight to the sky?? I wouldn't think so, my phone GPS doesn't need that, but who knows??

thanks for your help

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Jun 19, 2017, 13:34:32
Also a good option for GPS gauges:

www.speedhut.com
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: irk miller on Jun 19, 2017, 21:24:03
Damn,man.  I hate that I didn't see this thread earlier.  You can get the same AN fittings and SS braided brake lines through most automotive suppliers.  I get them through Summit racing for half the price.  I ran dual front lines on my BMW R100/7 for about $70. The single line on my CB360 cost under $40 for the lines and fittings.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 01, 2017, 23:09:21
Also a good option for GPS gauges:

www.speedhut.com


Why is your GPS Antenna $41 and the one for my speedo $135? Too bad I have no clue how to convert one of yours to work with mine.



GPS Antenna with 15ft long cable and male SMA connector


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Jul 05, 2017, 13:41:16
Not sure about the technical details and what goes into the pricing, sorry. SpeedHut is a good brand though, I wouldn't expect them to sell something that didn't work correctly.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: clem on Jul 05, 2017, 15:07:35
I may be wrong because I do not have access to any of the code on the GPS speedometers  available to the public but it may not have the capability to accurately track speed or distance across elevation changes. Algorithms are possible to correct for this but that's not to say that they use them. It also may not work when you are riding through heavily wooded areas and certainly won't work in a covered parking garage! I would ask myself how accurate does it need to be and go from there. GPS is great but it isn't infallible.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: irk miller on Jul 05, 2017, 17:10:28
The GPS app I run on my phone shows accuracy.  How accurate their accuracy gauge is could probably be debated, but I've seen mine go off as much as 130 meters way ass out in the boonies. 
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 05, 2017, 18:02:08
I use my phone running a app called Waze in my cars and on my other bike and the MPH is spot on to the speedo.

I don't really care too much about accuracy, I haven't been able to set the speedo on my Moto Guzzi to be even close, despite measuring the front wheel diameter twice. It is off by at least 10 mph.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: clem on Jul 06, 2017, 00:08:57
Speedo is one thing but I track my fuel level based off of mileage. That's what is most inaccurate on a GPS when you account for curves and elevation. The speed itself is usually pretty accurate. There's got to be a reason auto manufactures don't use GPS for speed and distance.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Jul 06, 2017, 03:48:25
But the GPS uses maps to show your route and wouldn't that allow it to use the known distances between points, like for instance intersections, to calculate mileage.  I don't know much at all about this, so just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: clem on Jul 06, 2017, 11:17:18
A GPS speedometer doesn't use maps. It updates and gets NMEA sentences from the satellites then parses that data to get the speed, coordinates and a host of other things. Your actual mileage is based off of distances between two points. How far apart those two points are will be dictated by the update rate of the GPS module used and of course your moving speed. Download a GPS speedometer app on your phone that tracks mileage and you'll see how far off it can get even on flat curvy roads.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Jul 06, 2017, 17:32:50
Thanks, Clem, very interesting.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 10, 2017, 16:19:19
FYI - I thought that this was pretty interesting.

GPS Complementary Technologies

The iPhone has several complementary technologies on board that work in conjunction with the GPS chip to master the phone's location.

Accelerometer and Gyroscope: The iPhone has an amazingly small 6-axis gyroscope and accelerometer combination chip on board. The gyroscope tells how your phone is oriented at all times. The accelerometer detects and records motions big and small as inputs the phone can use.

Wi-Fi Tracking: When GPS doesn't work well, such as inside buildings or among tall buildings, Wi-Fi tracking can replace or supplement it. Wi-Fi tracking uses a database of Wi-Fi networks around the world to triangulate the phone's position based on multiple Wi-Fi signals.

Compass: Your iPhone has a digital compass as part of its motion-tracking chip. The compass is used to supplement other motion technologies and to orient any map that you happen to be using. The compass comes into play, for example, when you tap the Maps arrow to orient a map. The Compass may also be used on its own.

Barometer: You might think of a barometer, which measures air pressure, as primarily a weather-prediction device, but it's not used for that purpose on an iPhone. The barometer supplements the GPS chip for measuring elevation changes to create more accurate elevation and elevation-change readings.

M10 Motion Coprocessor: In the iPhone, Apple uses its own M10 motion coprocessor chip to continuously measure data from the accelerometer, compass, gyroscope, and barometer. This offloads work from the A10 Fusion chip for improved power efficiency.


https://www.lifewire.com/iphone-gps-set-up-1683393

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 29, 2017, 22:11:56
Took some pics today on a ride....

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 30, 2017, 11:46:30
While at the Fuel Cleveland motorcycle show, I came out to find this on my seat

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: hidn45 on Jul 30, 2017, 15:16:57
Indeed, they are correct, sir - can't imagine THAT happens a lot....
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Bevelheadmhr on Aug 03, 2017, 15:14:32
A question if I may... I think my Guzzi has the same rectifier set up as yours, and like you its confusing me how to wire it up

It has 4 wires going into to it. (see pic)

They are labelled from left to right, the first two have a wave sign, the third a '+' and 'L.E' and the fourth with an open switch sign. Though the '+' sign could be to id another pin which is missing on my rectifier.

There are three wires from the alternator, a grey wire and two yellows, the latter of which I think both go to the rectifier (the first two id with a wave sign).

The grey wire from the alternator I'm told goes directly to the +ve side of the battery, as its already rectified at the alternator.


Which leaves the two connections on the rectifier, the third 'L.E' and the fourth (open switch sign).


My best guess is the fourth connection is to operated a charging idiot light, but the third with the Id 'LE' is a mystery.


My best guess is that it too goes to the +ve side of the battery, so the rectifier can tell when the battery is being over charged and so limit to charge from the alternator.


Can you confirm if this is the case, and if not how you wired up your rectifier?
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: erock85 on Aug 03, 2017, 16:54:14
Has anyone ever used a GPS speedo?
the speedometer on my bike has the ability to upgrade to a GPS. It isn't cheap at $132

https://www.amazon.com/Koso-KK000001-Speed-Signal-Converter/dp/B01II29JH6/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1497643259&sr=1-1&keywords=koso+gps

(http://www.maxiscoot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/273fe73c516cc2b029d5af29aaf1e15a/k/o/ko-kk000001-03_01.jpg)


The speed reader that works off of magnets on the front wheel is UGLY. the wire is very thick and needs a lot of zip ties to keep it close to the front brake line.

with the drum/shaft drive rear wheel, there is no way to mount it in the back.

How well do these work? does the black box have to be mounted anywhere special? In line of sight to the sky?? I wouldn't think so, my phone GPS doesn't need that, but who knows??

thanks for your help
Is this some proprietary gps chip for these gauges only? All a gps chip is going to do is provide NMEA data that would then get parsed by the processor. I developed a digital gauge gps speedometer with screen from a very cheap chip, but the internals are all the same, UBLOX neo 6 or 7 are popular. And I have an arduino nano do the heavy lifting. Four wires are all that is needed, RX, TX, VIN, Ground. If you can figure out the pinout on your gauge you can get a very cheap chip, I'm talking sub $12 so long as the gauge you have doesn't need to communicate with a specific gps chip. I have my chip mounted to the front forks and it takes approx. 30 seconds to get a gps lock. The ones with a battery or EEPROM save your last location and have a hot boot function, so your lock is instant.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 13, 2017, 10:12:10
I built a bike for my wife, so that she has a vintage bike to ride when I am on my Moto Guzzi. See build thread in my signature.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Aug 23, 2017, 03:39:07
Nice, very nice... .and the bike looks nice too  ;D
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 27, 2017, 13:49:11

Cleaned up the garage after building the XS400.

I decided to finally buy a HF work table. My wife has been bugging me for 2 years to get one, but I am cheap and my home made table has worked for 20+ years. But the coffee tables I was using as a base are getting wobbly.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 04, 2017, 23:01:54
Here are some pics from today's ride. My wife wanted to get a picture of her XS400 against a mural, like I did with the Prince pic above. Her bike wasn't done at that point.

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Her bike turned out to be a real fun ride.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: JadusMotorcycleParts on Sep 10, 2017, 06:17:58
Gorgeous builds man.  Lucky guy to have your wife into it too!  #relationshipgoals  :)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CQ Custom Designs on Sep 11, 2017, 16:19:45
Hey rusnak. What is the actual motorcycle that your tank on your moto guzzi off of? I see people using that style of tank on a verity of different builds and it's by far my favorite tank style. But I don't know what motorcycle / motorcycles that tank originates from


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 11, 2017, 16:29:15
It's a Benelli Mojave.

Repros are on eBay for under $200.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 11, 2017, 16:31:20
Lots of haters think that this tank is overused. I don't care, I think it was overused because it looks great and is cheap.

benelli mojave 360



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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Sep 11, 2017, 16:32:32
Lots of haters think that this tank is overused. I don't care, I think it was overused because it looks great and is cheap.

It's probably the same haters that think a Triton is the only real café bike. :P
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CQ Custom Designs on Sep 11, 2017, 23:38:02
That's like an OG flat tracker. Love it


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 14, 2017, 19:03:53
I picked up a cool little tool bag. I had been looking at these on eBay for a while, I got this for $40 used.

It mounts under the seat, there is a bag that slides out with a keeper to prevent that from happening when riding.

It is made to hang under a bicycle saddle and made by a high end British saddle maker Brooks.

I was hoping that it was going to match my seat color a little closer then it did.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Sep 19, 2017, 12:47:07
Cool tool bag but I agree, the color match is a clear no-go, you better send the bag to me  ;D
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Sep 24, 2017, 19:05:53
At the DGR today, thankfully we didn't need any of the tools. Did over 100 miles in over 90 degree temps.

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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 24, 2017, 16:30:29
Any tips for finding someone that can take some decent pics of my bikes? This Moto Guzzi and the XS400 that I just finished for my wife.

I contacted some people on craigslist and joined a local facebook group and asked there, but I have not had any luck. I was thinking of buying a used camera and doing it myself, but I cant see dropping $300+ on a camera for this. After I am done with the bike pics, what am I supposed to do with the camera, take pictures of my kids???

Seriously though, I would love to get some good pics of the bikes. I don't have any of the CB360 I built and sold. I would love to see my bike on Pipeburn or BikeEXIF one day. Not sure if they are high enough quality, but I would never know as my pictures are all off the camera on my phone.

Any idea how I could contact a local school for something like this? I am cheap and cant see hiring a pro. I could see paying someone $50 or $100 but I was hoping to find someone who would be interested in possibly getting their pictures online for their portfolio.

Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Oct 24, 2017, 21:19:19
You could try contacting a local camera club or you could rent a camera but then you would have to learn how to use the camera.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: irk miller on Oct 25, 2017, 16:21:37
A good student photographer is going to cost more than $50.  It's a lot of work to get images done.  There's no money in it for less than $100.  They have to travel to you, set up and shoot.  You can get a better deal delivering work to their studio, but I don't know how you'll do that with the 2 bikes.

I'm an artist, so i hire out for images of my work for sale and online.  It's worth the money to get it done right.  Typically, they don't just take pictures then hand you the images.  When it's done right, they go in and work on the images and get everything looking perfect.  Any cropping, color fixes, lighting fixes, etc is done after images are shot, then you get the final pics on disc to keep. 
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 25, 2017, 17:34:14
What should I expect to pay?
What would studio vs meeting at a location like an old warehouse?

I didn’t think about post shoot, I really am clueless with this.

I did look at rental cameras, but the cost for a low end camera and lenses was looking to be 1/2 the cost of a used camera on Craigslist.

I did look for a local club on Facebook.


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Oct 25, 2017, 23:05:51
In my camera club we get occasional requests for photography,  maybe give it a bit of time for a response. 

The post processing can take a lot of time and most people don't realise this.  A photographer might take hundreds of pictures of your bikes and then spend hours sorting through to get the ones he likes and then process them which can be done in batches but sometimes individual photos will be edited in Photoshop, Lightroom, etc.  It's tough for a photographer to make a decent living even though it is expensive to hire them.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Perter on Dec 15, 2017, 17:40:30
Babe, location and a good photographer.....then nobody cares about the finish of the bike
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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: guzzi850t on Dec 16, 2017, 05:05:29
Babe, location and a good photographer.....then nobody cares about the finish of the bike
(http://www.partb.co.uk/data/372.jpg)
Nice Guzzi!


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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Dec 19, 2017, 21:48:41
In my camera club we get occasional requests for photography,  maybe give it a bit of time for a response. 

The post processing can take a lot of time and most people don't realise this.  A photographer might take hundreds of pictures of your bikes and then spend hours sorting through to get the ones he likes and then process them which can be done in batches but sometimes individual photos will be edited in Photoshop, Lightroom, etc.  It's tough for a photographer to make a decent living even though it is expensive to hire them.


My daughter has expressed interest in photography, so I got her a nice DSLR camera for Christmas. We are also going to take some classes to learn how to use it. Both technical classes and artsy classes. So hopefully I will have some decent pics to post of this bike and the XS400 that I just built.




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Jul 17, 2018, 09:18:34
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My bike at the local bike night show
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Aug 14, 2018, 17:55:14
Went to the Cafe Racer Magazine bike show in Pittsburgh last weekend. Entered just for fun (and better parking).

Wound up taking 2nd in Euro / USA custom and my wife got 1st in Japanese custom.

Completely unexpected, lot of great bikes there and had a great time talking bikes with the people we met.








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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Aug 14, 2018, 20:48:38
Went to the Cafe Racer Magazine bike show in Pittsburgh last weekend. Entered just for fun (and better parking).

Wound up taking 2nd in Euro / USA custom and my wife got 1st in Japanese custom.

Completely unexpected, lot of great bikes there and had a great time talking bikes with the people we met.


Congrats!









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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 12, 2018, 19:27:24
Went out and took some pics today


















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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Rusnak_322 on Oct 12, 2018, 19:31:07
I got to tell you, I am VERY excited for the next Cafe Racer Magazine to come out!




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Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Luugo86 on Oct 12, 2018, 19:46:59
I rly like the color and leather on that Guzzi
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: trek97 on Oct 12, 2018, 19:54:59
Well isn't that cool.  Congrats to both of you.   8)
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 15, 2018, 11:13:36
Looks great. Super clean build.
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: spotty on Oct 18, 2018, 23:16:59
congrats on the cover pic, makes it all the more worthwhile when other people appreciate the work you've done

also....nice work sucking that gut in for the pic too
Title: Re: Ugly Goose - Moto Guzzi 850T cafe
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Oct 18, 2018, 23:55:50
Congrats again, I just recieved my this issue today.