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Blood Sweat Tears and Grease => Projects => Cafe Racers => Topic started by: duffer on Dec 02, 2016, 01:58:10

Title: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 02, 2016, 01:58:10
Picked up this 78 kz 650 for 1000$. Pretty much mint.  Are these decent bikes? I'll take everything you know... Parts location? Technical stuff? Things to look out for? Any pics of what you may have of your kz650? Thanks(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/e22388a1f1da5eac67e12c0f9dcba137.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/305feae6afcea95a5bc80a0bd14b399a.jpg)

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: beachcomber on Dec 02, 2016, 07:23:20
Looks like an excellent basis ........... for what?

Restore, Cafe Racer, Tracker ............. Wire wheels would be a bonus for me!

I'd go Cafe Racer myself.

Title: Re: New to me
Post by: Erskine on Dec 02, 2016, 15:09:12
This investment will give you better returns than any stocks or shares ....
So long as you don't butcher it, keep all original parts and don't do anything irreversible.
I had one of these back in the day and they are damn fine pieces of engineering.
Nice one :)
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: The Limey on Dec 02, 2016, 15:23:35
Values of straight z650's are climbing as people look for alternatives to the mega priced Z1's and z900's. They're also nice bikes in their own right.  Lively middleweight for the period, good handling, and oh-so pretty.

Watching with interest.
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: julian.allard66 on Dec 02, 2016, 15:32:45
The value of all 4 cylinder old Zs seem to be rising in the UK, so probably the same in the US, make it as standard as possible if you want to make money on it, otherwise ride it and enjoy it, great bikes, more fun to ride than the 750s that replaced it.
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: TheCoffeeGuy on Dec 02, 2016, 15:36:41
I had a KZ 650 1978. freaking fast bike.   More power than that year Honda 750 and lighter.   I would take it up to the Ton and hold on.  Snap the throttle and feel that there was soo much more.

Never had the guts to take it to the top.  110 was all Ii was ever good for.  The bike definitely had more.
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 03, 2016, 00:23:54
You lucked out on the deal.   The KZ650's are awesome.  Like CoffeeGuy said, lighter and faster than most 750's of it's day and better looking.  Getting harder to find good running ones at a good deal like yours.   I have enough parts to build two but I've been too cheap to buy a running one.   I would keep it close to stock or go 80's kawi superbike style.
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: NoRiders on Dec 03, 2016, 11:02:29
Such a clean n stock bike, it'd be a shame to butcher it.

Interesting to see what modern day improvements could be made within the factory style.

So maybe sticky new tyres, uprated suspension - forks and shocks and maybe some head work, carb re-jetting and performance zorst...even rear sets and dropped bars wouldn't go amiss.

I'd be reluctant to be de-tabbing, podding and generally fucking it up.

Good luck fella.
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 12:07:03
Thanks for all the feed back.  Wasn't going to chop it at all.  It runs mint, and yes it does go very fast. Went with a pair of MX  bars. The bars that came on it were drop down Cafe style, the previous guy tried to Cafe it. Was thinking of making the seat thinner and straighter from front to back.  Found this tail section and next step is to match up the paint.  The paint appears to be original and is in great shape.  No scratches and not even one scratch on the chrome wheels or fenders. 

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 12:12:46
I did the flashers,  tail and brake all in one up under the rear fender. Here are pics of the MX bars. Also added a pic of the bars that it came with. Semi mild  scrambler or road tracker is the way I want to go,  keeping it simple.

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 12:15:04
The yellow crayon lune on the second last pic is where I would drive to go with the seat.  Thoughts??

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 12:21:02
Btw thx for the pics coffee guy,  I did have mine opened up all the way,  a ton no prob. But I was  to be a paratrooper back in the day so have always had the guts to try...stupud or not I don't know but I'm here to tell about it..... So far... Lol

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 12:22:06
Repost, spelling errors... The yellow line is where I would like to go with the seat line... Thoughts??

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: Erskine on Dec 23, 2016, 12:55:14
There are two ways of getting butt hurt, one is by being a brainwashed liberal, the other is by cutting down the padding on a very comfortable good looking well designed seat.
;)
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 12:58:34
There are two ways of getting butt hurt, one is by being a brainwashed liberal, the other is by cutting down the padding on a very comfortable good looking well designed seat.
;)
I would add more high density foam, did it once on an old shadow bobber build. Came out a little more comfy than the original factory foam that has seen it's days

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 13:01:19
I know all about butt hurt.. Lol.... Did a 6 week your out east a couple of years back on a Stratoliner I owned. This bike would never take trips like that anyway.  More of a back and forth to work and around town bike.  Not enough time in saddle to give me to much negative feedback... Lol

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 23, 2016, 13:02:47
Im not completely sold on the idea of changing it.  Keeping the same pan,  just want a flat track look.  They seat now is actually trashed

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: Erskine on Dec 23, 2016, 17:13:19
I would add more high density foam, did it once on an old shadow bobber build. Came out a little more comfy than the original factory foam that has seen it's days

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It's important to keep the 'crown jewels' well padded lol.

Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Dec 24, 2016, 00:20:12
No more family from these jewels....lol

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Jan 11, 2017, 09:45:46
This investment will give you better returns than any stocks or shares ....
So long as you don't butcher it, keep all original parts and don't do anything irreversible.
I had one of these back in the day and they are damn fine pieces of engineering.
Nice one :)
Thanks

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Jan 11, 2017, 09:53:09
Should I keep the big single headlight? Or go smaller or two small duals like I did on my kl 600... Thoughts?

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: BigNickel on Jan 11, 2017, 10:08:16
I vote for the single headlight.

Cheers
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Jan 11, 2017, 10:09:13
Thnx

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: ApriliaBill on Jan 11, 2017, 11:14:09
Duffer, do yourself a favor. These bikes are becoming rare and as stated are climbing in value. The tail light thing, very cool. Matching the paint, great idea. Don't do anything too that bike that takes it to far from original. Collect and properly store stock parts. Down the road if you ever decide to move on, your return will be plentiful. This has always been my process. Being able to have a hobby that pays for itself adds to the joys of this hobby. Not many get the chance you've received to get a bike that complete and desirable for a bargain price.

A lot of guys on here have taken what was a fairly undesirable bike and made art of it. You've had a piece of art handed to you, and bone stock gathers crowds (I know, I've owned several) and I'm jealous A/F. That bike is a blast and you've many great days coming on that steed.... As soon as that bike came out, everybody I knew got over Hondaitis quickly. That was the bike to have. By todays standards a little tame, but back in the day it was considered a beast. Good luck, you sir are a lucky man...
Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Jan 11, 2017, 12:05:34
Thanks for the advice, I won't be cutting or altering anything. When I first saw the bike for sale around the corner it had been sitting in a dusty garage for almost 4 years. I'll be honest on my way there I planned to chop and cut and alter as I have done on a few other bikes in my shop class over the bobber craze of the last 5 years or so.  But when I got there and the guy went to grab a beer for us while we looked at the bike and I rubbed off some of the dust on the better than new rims and tank. I knew that wasn't happening.
I understand the issue of altering and decreasing the value and not to mention the  the nostalgia of it being original. I lucked out the same way with that kl 600 I picked up last spring.  It was a 1000 $ pick up as well......delivered from 4 hrs away included. It was old looking but mint, if you know what I mean. I have refurbed it back to original. I love that old girl.  It's an 84. I may pick up something to chop and play with the cafe thing. But it won't be this one. Thanks again for your advice and words of wisdom. As a man it always feels good for someone to tell you you did the right thing.... Lol

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Title: Re: New to me
Post by: duffer on Jan 11, 2017, 12:44:47
Im just trying to make it look like a street tracker, pretty much there anyway in my opinion. Recovering and mildly reshaping seat, and painting the tail.... And some more polishing and I'm riding in the spring. Sorry if it is not as crazy as some of the builds on here... 😁

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