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Title: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 13, 2017, 06:30:23
Hey guys!

So on my next build (XS750) I will go down the clean bars route.Since the motogadget solution is too expensive for me (and I see no sense in it), I will use simplified bar switches like these from Blitz motorcycles.

I would use them as follows:

Left bar Blitz control:
Toggle switch: 3 position Left-Off-On
Push button: Horn

Right bar Blitz control:
Toggle Switch:2 position Hi-Low Headlight
Push button: Starter button

Heres the problem: In Austria we need to have the headlight flasher too and I dont know where to integrate that on these switches...
Do you have an appealing alternative to the Blitz switches?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: XS750AU on Oct 13, 2017, 08:24:28
Hi Ryan
The modern motorcycle company has a clean press button that would do the job, and matches the style.
https://www.shop.modernmotorcyclecompany.com.au/collections/electrical (https://www.shop.modernmotorcyclecompany.com.au/collections/electrical)
You can just wire it in parallel to the high beam circuit.
Hope it is of help.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 13, 2017, 09:02:33
Thank you Tim!

Just shot them a message, since this single button is not to be found in the "Europe" part of their website.
These switches are amazing and for a good price!

Did you use them on your XS750?

Hope they come back to me soon.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 13, 2017, 09:40:53
Just checked out my stock bar controls....its a NIGHTMARE:

Left Control:

Hi/Low>>>>???

Pass>>>>Extra Single Button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Turn Signals >>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Horn>>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Right Control:

Start>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Lights On/Off>>>>hardwired...light always stays on with ignition

Kill Switch (3 Positions)>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

how can I deal with the left hand control problem?
HI/LOW will need a switch too...

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 13, 2017, 09:51:49
Hmmmm

Im thinking about using 3 of these switches (with one toggle and one push button).

So on the left I would mount 2 switches:
2x toggle 2x push button

Left Control:

Hi/Low>>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Pass>>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Turn Signals >>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Horn>>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)


On the Right 1 switch:
Right Control:

Start>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Lights On/Off>>>>hardwired...light always stays on with ignition

Kill Switch (3 Positions)>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

The question is:
Will I have enough space to fit these 2 switches without the inner part touching against each other?
So many holes in a bar, will the bar collapse  :)?
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: clem on Oct 13, 2017, 10:12:41
Looks like this might be more clutter than the oem setup! I'd like to go the clean route also but most of these like motogadget have momentary switches that need a secondary latching switch. Give me the m-button with latching switches and I'm on it!

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Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 13, 2017, 12:10:09
Hmmmm

Im thinking about using 3 of these switches (with one toggle and one push button).

So on the left I would mount 2 switches:
2x toggle 2x push button

Left Control:

Hi/Low>>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Pass>>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Turn Signals >>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Horn>>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)


On the Right 1 switch:
Right Control:

Start>>>push button (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

Lights On/Off>>>>hardwired...light always stays on with ignition

Kill Switch (3 Positions)>>>TOGGLE (3 Positions) (Modern Motorcycle Switch)

The question is:
Will I have enough space to fit these 2 switches without the inner part touching against each other?
So many holes in a bar, will the bar collapse  :)?

I doubt they will fit if you plan on mounting them on top of eachother. They would need to be side to side.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: Sonreir on Oct 13, 2017, 17:53:55
Some British bikes used to have the headlight switch on the headlight, itself.

Might be an option?
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 13, 2017, 18:08:27
^ that's a good idea.
Also what does the pass switch do? Kick in the rocket boosters?
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 13, 2017, 18:10:45
Nvm I looked, unless it's required over there I'd toss that function.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 14, 2017, 08:46:38
Some British bikes used to have the headlight switch on the headlight, itself.

Might be an option?

Sonreir!Good idea!Saves clutter on the bars...

It effin annoys me, we have so strong regulations here that we need to have all the functions available even when modified...
SONIC unfortunately I need to keep that function.

Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 14, 2017, 12:32:26
Well that sucks.
Do people use it over there?
If someone flashed their highs before passing where I live everyone would be very confused and annoyed. 
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 14, 2017, 13:12:21
Nope not really.Its actually quite a no-go.
Normally people in fat BMW use it when they pull u speeding behind you on the Autobahn  ;D

As for the controls I think I found a solution now!

I will use:

LEFT: 1 Double Switch (1 toggle+1 push button) + 1 Single Push button (both Modern Motorcycle)

1 Toggle: Left Blinker/Off/Right Blinker
1 Push Button: Horn

1 Single Push Button:Headlight flasher (Pass)

RIGHT: 1 Double Switch (1 toggle+1 push button) + 1 Single Toggle Switch (both Modern Motorcycle)

1 Toggle: Kill Engine/Run/Kill Engine
1 Push Button: Starter -->>RELAIS!

1 Single Toggle Switch:HI/LOW Light

Light On/Off will be placed in the headlight bucket!

Hope I didnt forget anything.
I already made a tape mockup of the switches...It will be quite long but somehow I like the look and I reach it pretty easily with my thumb on both sides.
Now I will order a clutch lever assembly to see how this will work.

Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 15, 2017, 16:19:15
Here are 2 pics how the controls will be installed ..needs a lot of lenght....does this look stupid to you :-)?
Cant say looks cool to me :-)!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171015/b0177c7be174f7eb96a33cf341fdd2fd.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171015/18f8a5f0cc4fc0b224e64547baf77a4d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 16, 2017, 07:42:02
I have a question for you guys!

I want to buy a nice gas grip for my XS750 project and I just dont know how I can calculate the right one...
How do I know that a gas grip will work on my single pull triple carb setup?

Stroke on this one is:
max. 46 mm
- 36mm at 80 turning angle

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: datadavid on Oct 16, 2017, 08:11:53
Motogadget only makes sense if youre making a new harness, in which case it makes everything really simple! I think having a lot of buttons in a row can be hard to control with gloves on, but thats just my idea.. about the gas grip, i used a speed throttle first, and it was way too heavy with the spring action, reverted to normal throttle and even bent the return spring a bit to give a softer throttle. Works well now.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 16, 2017, 08:47:34
Motogadget only makes sense if youre making a new harness, in which case it makes everything really simple! I think having a lot of buttons in a row can be hard to control with gloves on, but thats just my idea.. about the gas grip, i used a speed throttle first, and it was way too heavy with the spring action, reverted to normal throttle and even bent the return spring a bit to give a softer throttle. Works well now.

Thanks data,I will check when all the components are installed (clutch+gas grip)..this will change the length again for my thumb.
The two buttons most apart should be the stuff I never use when the bike is in motion.

How did you calculate if youre gasgrip has enough stroke?
Or is it just a question of the length of the gas cable?

thanks!
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: datadavid on Oct 16, 2017, 08:58:28
No calculations, but it opens fully without having to pull twice
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 18, 2017, 08:35:07
So I ordered clutch and gas grip and waiting now to fit them an see how everything fits.
Had a quick chat yesterday with the MOT mechanic and he told me that he actually doesnt care if the PASS function isnt on the bars.

My plans now are moving the HI/LOW+ON/OFF of the headlight onto the headlight bucket and removing the PASS function from the bars so I will have 2 switches total (1 left 1 right).

Left (clutch side):

TOGGLE:Blinker
Push button:Horn

Right (gas grip side):
TOGGLE:Kill switch
Push button: Starter


Cheers guys!
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: SONIC. on Oct 18, 2017, 10:41:47
So I ordered clutch and gas grip and waiting now to fit them an see how everything fits.
Had a quick chat yesterday with the MOT mechanic and he told me that he actually doesnt care if the PASS function isnt on the bars.

My plans now are moving the HI/LOW+ON/OFF of the headlight onto the headlight bucket and removing the PASS function from the bars so I will have 2 switches total (1 left 1 right).

Left (clutch side):

TOGGLE:Blinker
Push button:Horn

Right (gas grip side):
TOGGLE:Kill switch
Push button: Starter


Cheers guys!

Now we're talking!
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 19, 2017, 15:25:36
Finally the grip and clutch lever arrived!gonna trial fit the carbs with the bowden to check how the carbs feel and see where I can place the switches.
Not gonna go with these bars...way too uncomfortable for my worn out back :-)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/e30fcf3030bfbb42872ca353e9770518.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/b3d7e7b52014c83d115e2b4126eece60.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/a93371570cb8259ff32785baf299e3e1.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: canyoncarver on Oct 19, 2017, 15:36:36
Give these a look:

http://www.b1racingproducts.com/handlebar-switches/57-race-handlebar-switch-4-button.html
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: MCKAY34 on Oct 20, 2017, 18:50:12
hey mate, here is what i did on my xt500, i wanted the "clean look" also.
Horn and blinkers on the left, high beam switch on the back of the headlight. works great and keeps those handlebars clean. i bought the parts from modern motorcycle company in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 21, 2017, 14:52:07
Wow thanks mate!
Looks amazing!How did you go about getting all the cables trough your bars?Was it a tight fit?

Does the black paint on the switches chip easily?
If yes I will go for the chromes version.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: MCKAY34 on Oct 21, 2017, 22:57:51
yeah i would go the chrome, the black scratches very easily.
The wires are no problem, its a little tricky trying to pull the wires out of the exit hole in the center of the handlebars though, i made a nail with a little hook on the end.
Also your drill holes have to be absolutely perfect for the switch bracket. which is difficult considering the bars are round.

good luck!
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: Ride on Oct 22, 2017, 13:16:40
I added this to the tips FAQ but it really works great... talcum bath powder on the wires lets them slide easily through the bars.
Title: Re: Cleaning bars-Looking for switches
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 23, 2017, 07:34:31
Thank guys for your advise!

Im in the process of getting my order together.Only problem I see that these switches are "fixed" to the bars.
That means no easy switching around and a fixed bar type for this bike...
I will decide and then order tomorrow...

Cheers guys!