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Turn your Brain Off and Shoot the Shit => Loungin at da club => Topic started by: grandpaul on May 09, 2018, 12:00:49

Title: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 09, 2018, 12:00:49
There has been a lot of discussion on this topic, and nobody has spelled it out, so I thought I might do so.

I have registered at least 8 bikes through Vermont, COMPLETELY LEGALLY.

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1461/6266009/24698805/412841763.jpg)

You must have a valid Bill Of Sale to start with, and it MUST include: Date of sale, Seller's name and address, bike's serial number, bike year, make, model & displacement, amount paid, and odometer reading. Or, use the VT form.

I have also used TWO Bills of Sale, one for the frame, and one for the engine, in the case of a Triton.

VT registration application - http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VD-119-Vehicle_Reg_Tax_Title_App.pdf
Instructions - http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VD-119i-Registration_App_Instructions.pdf
Bill Of Sale - http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VT-005-Bill_Of_Sale_Odometer_Cert_0.pdf

Take a clear photo of the bike from the side, as close as you can to get the whole bike in the shot, and rotate the camera frame horizontal so there's not a lot of background above or below. USE THE "BEFORE" PHOTO(S) IF BASKET CASE!

Go to NADA website, select the year & model, find the bike's value, and print out the sheet - http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles

I have at times included a detailed statement challenging the NADA value, based on the fact that certain bikes were obtained as rough basket cases or incomplete, rusty rollers. I was successful by simply extrapolating the lower value based on NADA's values for "Average", Good", and "Excellent", and keeping that number reasonably close to the lowest NADA price if there was a big gap from purchase price to NADA value.

Take the bike to whichever of these will perform the VIN check and sign the VT form, and can provide you with the inspector's statement on their letterhead - state vehicle safety inspection station, police department, highway patrol station, DMV, County Tax Assessor's office, etc.

I have a local State vehicle inspection station that has done dozens of inspections for me over the years; I provide their "letterhead" that I made myself with their shop's logo and address info at the top, a single-sentence statement, and a signature line. Took me 5 minutes to produce with MS Word.

Calculate the tax, add it to the registration fee, and include that amount in a check or money order with the forms, photo, and print-outs, and mail it off WITH CORRECT POSTAGE!

Done.

In about 2 weeks, you get the registration receipt, sometimes same time you get the plate. In a couple more days you get the registration card and a little sticker to put on the plate (not sure why they don't send the whole mess at once, they just don't)

Never worry about buying an untitled motorcycle again, as long as you know the seller is legit, and you can come back to him in a pinch. I've found life is easier if I simply never worry.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Sonreir on May 09, 2018, 12:20:41
I was just looking for this info. Thanks!
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: 1fasgsxr on May 09, 2018, 13:11:12
Much better write up than the other thread on here.  Great job and thank you. I need to get on the ball with 2 of mine.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: BarnBurner on May 09, 2018, 15:53:54
FYI I think the VIN certification part of the process only applies to motorcycles over 300cc.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: kosmoto on May 09, 2018, 16:10:02
Thanks for the nice write-up. I've done 4 bikes this way and it works beautifully.  I've even gotten lazy and stopping including a picture.  A couple of times I accidentally overpaid and they sent me a refund check.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: The Limey on May 10, 2018, 03:18:52
Legal?  Certainly in the UK, creating a counterfeit VIN inspectors report would be considered a fraud, and you'd risk ending up picking up the soap for Bubba every night if you got caught.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: DeanJ on May 10, 2018, 10:19:02

Part Two is identifying exactly how you can (or can not) obtain an actual legal motor vehicle title from the state where you reside - once you have the VT registration in hand.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 10, 2018, 10:19:38
Legal?  Certainly in the UK, creating a counterfeit VIN inspectors report would be considered a fraud, and you'd risk ending up picking up the soap for Bubba every night if you got caught.
I never said I was creating a counterfeit form.

I created a LETTERHEAD with the EXACT CONTACT INFORMATION and logo for the inspector, who runs a very small shop and HAS NO LETTERHEAD, or need of one, until this VT application required one. He gave me permisssion to do so, so it is IN NO WAY illegitimate.

All the form states, is that HIS company is certified, and HE is licensed to conduct vehicle inspection for the state, and includes his certification number. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ILLEGAL.

ALL of this is IN ADDITION TO the VT form that requires the actual VIN be filled in by the inspector after visually verifying it, and the inspector also signs the VT form.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 10, 2018, 10:25:12
Part Two is identifying exactly how you can (or can not) obtain an actual legal motor vehicle title from the state where you reside - once you have the VT registration in hand.
IN ANY CASE of buying with a Bill of Sale, basket case, or out-of-state transfer, CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL DMV AND ASK BEFORE YOU BUY.

MANY states along the East coast WILL NOT ACCEPT STATE OF MAINE REGISTRATIONS because that middleman system ITS out of 'Vegas was a scam operation and states caught on to the loophole.

VT relies on the nationwide system of state-certified operations that perform the actual 50-state database check for stolen vehicles.

IT IS TOTALLY LEGAL, but check with YOUR states' DMV to ensure they accept VT registrations. VT DMV also has a downloadable form on their letterhead stating their "no title on 15 year old & older vehicles" for states that require it (many do)
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: advCo on May 10, 2018, 10:54:03
Hey Paul, have you ever tried transferring a VT reg back to Texas on a motorcycle that was previously titled/registered in Texas? I have an old KZ that was previously titled in TX, which I have already obtained a VT reg for, but I would like to get it transferred BACK over to Texas so its more appealing for buyers here.

I have heard TXDOT doesn't like this procedure, any insight?
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: irk miller on May 10, 2018, 10:54:23
Also, it may be necessary to point out that in many cases you will never receive a title.  Georgia, for example, will allow you to register any vehicle manufactured before 1986 with a BOS and VIN check, but they do not issue a title.  So, those that go through the Vermont process will get a transferable registration, but no title.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 10, 2018, 10:58:54
Should not be a problem at all AS LONG AS IT WAS NEVER REPORTED STOLEN.

Also, any old liens should have been cleared, and the original title signed off by the lending institution.

Those are the only two hindrances, and BOTH can be cleared with due diligence.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: advCo on May 10, 2018, 11:00:05
FYI I think the VIN certification part of the process only applies to motorcycles over 300cc.

350cc is the cut off. I have done this on 4 bikes I believe. CB200, XL350, RV125 and KZ250 all without a VIN check.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: advCo on May 10, 2018, 11:00:45
Should not be a problem at all AS LONG AS IT WAS NEVER REPORTED STOLEN.

Also, any old liens should have been cleared, and the original title signed off by the lending institution.

Those are the only two hindrances, and BOTH can be cleared with due diligence.

Yes, I ran the VIN with TXDOT and it came back with no derogatory remarks, so should be good to go. Thanks
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Redbird on May 10, 2018, 15:05:23
I have no experience with the Virginia method, nor am I familiar with any other states procedure, but here in Louisiana it's a fairly straightforward process.
I went through this with my DS7, and my Bro did with the CB400F.
Step 1: Go to a vehicle notary establishment. They will notarize the BOS and give you the proper paperwork for Step 2. (you will pay for the notary service)
Step 2: Bring said paperwork to your local Justice of the Peace. They will file said paperwork and give you a form to take to the State Police.
Step 3: Bring form to SP, and they will "inspect" the bike. This "inspection" just means they will verify that the VIN on the BOS matches the VIN on the bike. (this inspection is free)
Step 4: Bring verified/signed form from SP back to the JoP. They will do the background check on the vehicle, and will take a couple of weeks. Once the background check clears, a title will be issued to you (mailed to your home address). That will take another couple of weeks. (you will pay for these services)
Step 5: Once you receive your title, go to your local DMV and have the bike registered. (you will pay for this service)
Not difficult, but somewhat time consuming. I don't recall the breakdown of what each of the fees ran, but all totaled I paid approx. $200-250 from start to finish.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 10, 2018, 15:09:59
VT is $44 plus 6% of value of the bike, or sale amount, whichever is greater.

Extra $ for personalized / "vanity" plate. I think I paid $40 for "74 JPN" (John Player Norton)
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: carnivorous chicken on May 10, 2018, 15:16:08
Part Two is identifying exactly how you can (or can not) obtain an actual legal motor vehicle title from the state where you reside - once you have the VT registration in hand.

I've done this with a VT registration in MA, where they do issue titles. My understanding is that generally (and definitely in MA), states that do issue titles for old bikes will simply issue a title if presented with a registration for a bike from a state (or registered in a state) that does not issue a title but only a registration. Of course in MA you pay out the ass for anything having to do with the DMV, including a title.

I would also add -- if you live in AZ, there is a much simpler way to get a transferable title for a non-titled bike. Fill out an abandoned vehicle form and bring it in to the MVD (yes, AZ has to be different, it's MVD not DMV). You need a very brief affidavit as to how you came across the bike and this is where you fudge a little -- "the previous owner left it at my place 30 days ago and has given up all claim to the bike" generally suffices, and it's true if you can get the buyer to drop off the bike. It's got to be "abandoned" for 30 days. The MVD will check to see if it's stolen or has any claims, including writing to the most recent previous owner. Generally there is no response -- older bikes' owners have usually moved on, don't live in the same place, etc. Title in about 3 weeks. Last time I did it I think it cost me around $20.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: focusinprogress on May 10, 2018, 15:23:01
FYI I think the VIN certification part of the process only applies to motorcycles over 300cc.

it is for a VT resident. for ANY other state a VIN cert is required for ALL transactions. which is all part of a new revision because so many people have been doing this....used to be 500cc was the cutoff and state didn't matter. VIN cert also didn't used to require letterhead and business card to accompany it, used to just need a signature and badge number, I've done over a dozen over the past 3yrs and the rules changed to this literally last summer.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Redbird on May 10, 2018, 15:35:35
VT is $44 plus 6% of value of the bike, or sale amount, whichever is greater.

But don't you end up with a VT license plate? And if you want it registered/plated in your home state, that will be additional costs?
Around here, having an out of state plate will get you scrutinized by the local PD's. Having an out of state registration/plate and a local home address on your drivers license will cause closer scrutiny and the possibility of fines/penalties for not registering your vehicle with the state you're residing in.

And for the record, I'm not bashing the VT method or anyone else's procedures. Nor am I saying my state was cheaper/easier/etc.
All I was stating was my experience with "Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike".
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Rider52 on May 10, 2018, 15:45:08
I just registered/titled a 1987 Harley Davidson in Arkansas. I had bills of sale for the frame, motor and transmission. It is considered an antique and DFA issued a permanent antique plate. Cost was $17.50.  I'm waiting on the title which should be here soon. However, I did have to list it with the tax collector and have insurance (minimum liability). There are a couple of other options in Arkansas, if you didn't "build" an antique motorcycle.  If you only have one bill of sale for a complete motorcycle the DFA will likely require a Bonded title which is basically an insurance policy if a previous owner claims the bike.  The title is not branded and the length of the bond is 3-5 years. The cost is usually around $150 plus the title/registration/license and insurance. The other option is to have a Judge "Quiet a Title", requires a lawyer and hardly anyone goes this route anymore. However, in the 70s, when I was dragging in every old bike I could find, it was the only way to title them. 
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Rider52 on May 10, 2018, 15:52:19
Last year I did the Vermont registration thing for my Yamaha Chappy. It was very easy and at that time didn't require a VIN check. I bought a two year plate and I think the total cost was about $90. I'll convert it to an Arkansas registration/plate sometime in the future.

When I was considered a "guest of the State of Georgia" due to military assignment, I ran several 72-77 Honda SOHC CB750s and one 50 Harley Davidson through their system. All were given a "99" registration which means no title will be issued. I changed a couple of them to Arkansas title/registration/license since that was my legal residence state.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 10, 2018, 15:52:47
Yes, the VT process gets you a LEGAL PLATE good for one year.

YOUR state may "require" you to transfer the registration & documentation within a certain time frame.

Cops in YOUR city may want to have a chat with out-of-towners. NOT LIKELY if you are observing all traffic laws.

Texas DOES NOT require insurance to obtain a TITLE, unless you also want a PLATE! (to ride on the street). So, You can get a title and leave the bike in the shed, no insurance needed. OTHER STATES MAY VARY
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Maritime on May 10, 2018, 15:53:28
But don't you end up with a VT license plate? And if you want it registered/plated in your home state, that will be additional costs?
Around here, having an out of state plate will get you scrutinized by the local PD's. Having an out of state registration/plate and a local home address on your drivers license will cause closer scrutiny and the possibility of fines/penalties for not registering your vehicle with the state you're residing in.

And for the record, I'm not bashing the VT method or anyone else's procedures. Nor am I saying my state was cheaper/easier/etc.
All I was stating was my experience with "Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike".

This could be an issue depending on state/Province but I do know you can take the VT reggie and plate in and sacrafice and pay a transfer fee and or tax to get a title/reggie in your home flavour. I'd do it on a bike you got a deal on or really want. I'm looking at doing it on a rare RZ350 LQ I found with lost title. It's almost impossible to get that fixed here but I could do the VT thing then go to the DMV, anything older than 15 years is exempt from import paperwork so I would just surrender the VT plate and reggie and pay the Tax on blue book and 50 bucks transfer fee and be fully legal. Now if I can just sell the CX500 to get the cash.  The RZ350 would be 4-5000 if it was titled, but I can get it for 1500 with a Bill of sale and do a VIN check to make sure it isn't stolen or have a lean.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 10, 2018, 16:04:07
Texas DOES HAVE A SYSTEM for untitled, homebuilt, and scratch-built bikes. You must request a packet (from the local tax assessor/collector's office) with at least a half-dozen forms (and pay a fee) them make an appointment at the local Police Station to have the VIN inspected (and pay a fee), then take pictures, research the value, and fill out all the appropriate paperwork including Bill of Sale and copy of seller's I.D., then send everything off to the regional DMV center. In days past, the local Sheriff's Department used to process the packets and research the 50-state stolen vehicle database in about 2 weeks, now Laredo directs your packet to the Rio Grande Valley center and it takes 90 days. Once the packet comes back (I have to call every other day, they NEVER call me to let me know it has returned), you pay yet another fee, and you get your title in the mail. If you also want a plate, you have to pay for minimum required liability insurance, have the bike inspected at a State Safety Inspection station and pay a fee.

Whew...LOTS of fees...

...and THREE MONTHS PLUS wait time!
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Rider52 on May 10, 2018, 18:42:41
When I was living in Texas in the 90s, I built a bitsa bike using a BSA A10 frame, Harley 45 motor and a Triumph transmission. I used the Texas system to get a title, as again I was a "guest of the state" due to military service. I had almost forgotten how much of a hassle it created. In addition to the multitude of forms, I had to have the completed motorcycle inspected twice. Once for the Texas safety program which was easy and again by the Texas Highway Patrol to verify there were no stolen parts. The biggest hassle was the THP inspector wanted receipts or bills of sale for everything, including the wire and inner tubes. Thankfully, he didn't need a receipt for the air in the tires.  I had to make three trips to satisfy him.   
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: The Limey on May 10, 2018, 18:50:03
I never said I was creating a counterfeit form.

I created a LETTERHEAD with the EXACT CONTACT INFORMATION and logo for the inspector, who runs a very small shop and HAS NO LETTERHEAD, or need of one, until this VT application required one. He gave me permisssion to do so, so it is IN NO WAY illegitimate.

All the form states, is that HIS company is certified, and HE is licensed to conduct vehicle inspection for the state, and includes his certification number. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ILLEGAL.

ALL of this is IN ADDITION TO the VT form that requires the actual VIN be filled in by the inspector after visually verifying it, and the inspector also signs the VT form.

I see, that makes now.  It would have made even more sense without the needless capitals (I'm dyslexic and that shizzle makes stuff hard to read first go).
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 10, 2018, 19:18:48
It would have made even more sense without the needless capitals.
I never mean to offend when I type in CAPS, nor am I "yelling" as the idiotic snowflakes seem to think these days; I am used to using caps to EMPHASIZE what I'm getting at in the context.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Redbird on May 10, 2018, 20:18:52
Cops in YOUR city may want to have a chat with out-of-towners. NOT LIKELY if you are observing all traffic laws.
Well OBVIOUSLY not if you're observing traffic laws. But doing something BORDERLINE that would get a local a simple verbal "knock it off" will get an OUT OF TOWNER pulled over and checked out. Finding a LOCAL resident with a vehicle not registered to their local RESIDENCE can result in further FINES and PENALTIES.

Thanks for CLARIFYING my PLATE and TRANSFER questions. CARRY ON ;)
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: SONIC. on May 10, 2018, 23:54:53
I figure I may as well add to this:

In Tennessee any vehicle over 30 years old OR valued under 3000 you just have to fill out a certificate of ownership form at the county clerk's office. Basically you're legally saying that you own the bike/car/rv and that it's not stolen. You give a reason for the lack of title (previous owner did not have one works fine). Pay sales tax on the purchase price and Bob's your uncle you get a title in the mail in a few weeks.

Here's the form:
https://secure.tncountyclerk.com/forms/Certification_of_Ownership_Application.pdf

I've done this at least 20 times, no issues.
The person behind the desk is unlikely to be aware of this, so you'll likely need to bring the second page of that form and explain it to them.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: hooligan998 on May 11, 2018, 01:19:15
...and Bob's your uncle...

Off topic, but I've heard this before and never really knew what it meant, so for anyone else, here you go and Bob's your uncle!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob%27s_your_uncle

Now back to your regularly scheduled topic.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 11, 2018, 09:19:18
Well OBVIOUSLY not if you're observing traffic laws. But doing something BORDERLINE that would get a local a simple verbal "knock it off" will get an OUT OF TOWNER pulled over and checked out. Finding a LOCAL resident with a vehicle not registered to their local RESIDENCE can result in further FINES and PENALTIES.

Thanks for CLARIFYING my PLATE and TRANSFER questions. CARRY ON ;)
So, TRANSFER TO YOUR STATE if you are worried.

DONE.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: DeanJ on May 11, 2018, 09:38:22
So, TRANSFER TO YOUR STATE if you are worried.

DONE.
 

Obtaining a legal TITLE from the state where you actually reside using the VT registration may not be possible.

check your DMV first   
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 11, 2018, 13:45:02
Obtaining a legal TITLE from the state where you actually reside using the VT registration may not be possible.

check your DMV first   
I already stated that VERY clearly...

(more than once)

(and in CAPS!)
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: irk miller on May 11, 2018, 14:36:26
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewc1hixzYPY
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: Redbird on May 11, 2018, 15:52:13
So, TRANSFER TO YOUR STATE if you are worried.

DONE.
NO worries HERE.
I obtained A legal REGISTRATION for MY untitled BIKE in THE state THAT i RESIDE in MANY years AGO (as stated, only once though, and not in caps) ;)
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: The Limey on May 11, 2018, 16:10:36
This sounds LIKE a REAL pain in the ASS ON your side OF the POND. 
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 11, 2018, 16:26:53
YeS
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: carnivorous chicken on May 11, 2018, 17:55:12
NOT in ARIZONA!
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: The Limey on May 12, 2018, 06:43:12
whATs not in aRIZONA?
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: carnivorous chicken on May 13, 2018, 23:43:36
whATs not in aRIZONA?

A PAIN in the ASS to GET a TITLE.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: The Limey on May 14, 2018, 03:24:24
AND nICE  wEATHER  too.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: crazypj on May 14, 2018, 13:22:50
This sounds LIKE a REAL pain in the ASS ON your side OF the POND.
In some ways, ,Britain is too easy toget a new V5. I had a CJ250 stolen, someone applied for V5 but because I couldn't (wouldn't) go get it (I'm still in Florida) I lost a bike even though it was stolen and they now have it 'legal'.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: The Limey on May 14, 2018, 16:22:32
You can't get a new V5 for a vehicle that's on PNC as stolen.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: farmer92 on May 14, 2018, 17:14:49
We have a couple routes in quebec also.
You can bring it to your local police station and they run a vin check, if it checks out you get a form basically that it isnít reported as stolen. Sometimes you get lucky and they also find the contact info for the last registered owner and they will offer to give them your contact info to make a transfer.
If not itís okay too, they give you a form stating that it isnít stolen and you can bring it to the license bureau and argue for a bit until they accept that itís impossible to find the last registered owner (they know who it is, they just wonít tell you, fucking douches bags). Then they transfer to you.

Now if it isnít in their computer system (not plated/transferred since 1982, not from QC, etc.) then you can say you owned it back then and lost the paperwork. They ask for some proof, so get a buddy to sign a paper saying you used to own the bike and they will give you the reg for it.
(May need to use an older relative if you are born after 66í. Also only works for pre 1982 bikes obviously)
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 14, 2018, 17:32:39
Getting a friend to say X, Y, or Z about a vehicle, that isn't true, is asking for future trouble.

No thanx.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: farmer92 on May 14, 2018, 18:08:36
Getting a friend to say X, Y, or Z about a vehicle, that isn't true, is asking for future trouble.

No thanx.

Fair enough
I only mentioned it because i know a fellow who went this route.
We do what we can here, iíve already been told i had to track down all of the people who had owned a bike unregistered and pay the taxes on every transaction since the last know owner had sold it if i wanted to register it... gotta love QC

Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: JSJamboree on May 14, 2018, 18:25:28
I have done the Vermont Title process in Indiana and it works.  The one note is that in Indiana, you cant go to a branch with the paperwork.  Instead you have to fillout the Affadavit of Ownership packet.  Instead of the certified letter, you can include your registration from vermont and mail it downtown.  Then you get your stuff.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: MiniatureNinja on May 14, 2018, 22:00:45
Getting a friend to say X, Y, or Z about a vehicle, that isn't true, is asking for future trouble.

No thanx.

is it really though? I mean come on - is it?


NO
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: farmer92 on May 14, 2018, 22:05:42
Keep in mind it only works if the bike was never registered or transferred in the last 36+ years so the odds of someone showing up with the ownership from pre 1980 is slim.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: irk miller on May 14, 2018, 22:58:57
You could always just title one, insure them all, and just swap tags between bikes.  I mean, you can't ride more than one at a time anyway.   :o
Title: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: farmer92 on May 14, 2018, 23:13:33
You could always just title one, insure them all, and just swap tags between bikes.  I mean, you can't ride more than one at a time anyway.   

This is reeeeeaaallly tempting

Because the cost to register in quebec is going up between 15-27% these next 2 years

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Bottom row is annual cost
Top row is category

The cost for an ďat riskĒ bike is set to hit 1900$/year by 2020 or 2021
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: The Limey on May 15, 2018, 03:23:10
Holy Mary mother of Trump! That's extortionate.  The Republic of Ireland is also painfully expensive.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 15, 2018, 10:12:51
You could always just title one, insure them all, and just swap tags between bikes.  I mean, you can't ride more than one at a time anyway.   :o
I must admit to using one of MY plates on another one of my (same make/model) bikes, for a quick ride, but that was many years ago and I feel better just riding the thing with the CORRECT (but expired) plate. Less of a fine if caught.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: CALfeRacer on May 21, 2018, 14:04:29
Great write up! Only question I have is what should be put down for the VT license number when I (clearly) don't have one? I assume they're fine with you putting in a different state for the "address where you live" though?
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: carnivorous chicken on May 21, 2018, 14:33:17
Great write up! Only question I have is what should be put down for the VT license number when I (clearly) don't have one? I assume they're fine with you putting in a different state for the "address where you live" though?

Yes -- I used my info from Mass, and that's where they mailed everything as well. They don't seem to have an issue with that.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: grandpaul on May 21, 2018, 14:44:27
Great write up! Only question I have is what should be put down for the VT license number when I (clearly) don't have one? I assume they're fine with you putting in a different state for the "address where you live" though?
Correct, you apply from ANY STATE, send required paperwork, pay the fees, they send you reg & plate. Period.
Title: Re: Obtaining a LEGAL registration for an untitled bike
Post by: JSJamboree on May 23, 2018, 14:19:05
Correct, you apply from ANY STATE, send required paperwork, pay the fees, they send you reg & plate. Period.


Just be careful, in indiana you have 90 days after you move into the state to have all vehicle registrations moved to indiana.  If you are an active resident and you are running a registration in your name from another state you better have a drivers license in that state or else they can impound and fine you.

Its all about that tax money, you live in Indiana now, and they expect you to pay registration fees here.