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Title: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 04, 2018, 12:52:31
Yo! First post here in a few years. I'm going to try and update this thread as I wrench on this bike and get it going.

I bought this sr500 sight unseen on Ebay. It appears to be an old race bike, or in the process of becoming one. Unfortunately, the previous owner didn't know much of the history. Just that an ex-racer was putting it together before he sold it.

This is my first sr500 and I'm excited to get this old bag running! She has some go fast bits on, a GSXR front end and wheels, Tracy body kit, a steering stabilizer, quick pull throttle, oil cooler, Mikuni carb, big brakes, swing arm, etc.

I hope that you dudes can install some knowledge about the platform and this bike in particular. First thing first, I have a few questions:

WTF is this thing attached to my throttle cable? some funky accelerator pump?
Does anyone know who made the swingarm and rear sets? Curious if i ever need parts.
Mikuni vm34? i'm not positive what carb i have.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: I found an sr500 race bike - Tracy body kit
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 04, 2018, 13:02:55
The front end and wheels appear to be updated with something newer.   :D  Other than that I cant help much.
Title: Re: I found an sr500 race bike - Tracy body kit
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 04, 2018, 13:14:05
Pretty neat looking body setup on it.  Get better pics and post them up so we can see what it's all about.
Title: Re: I found an sr500 race bike - Tracy body kit
Post by: teazer on Dec 04, 2018, 13:53:37
Need looking Starship Troopers look on that time capsule cafe racer.

That looks like a Tracy badge on the tail, so that suggests it's a Tracy body kit.  Front end looks like an SRAD gixxer and that maybe where the rear wheel came from as well.  That's a really long steering damper on it.  Don't know what that valve is in the other picture.  Looks like it might be some sort of pressure release valve or fuel tap arrangement, but need to see what's connected to it to determine what it is.
Title: Re: I found an sr500 race bike - Tracy body kit
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 04, 2018, 14:14:26
a couple more pics
Title: Re: I found an sr500 race bike - Tracy body kit
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 04, 2018, 14:24:23
Yep! its certainly a Tracy body kit. Ugly as all hell but boy, if I don't love it!

Yeah Teazer, that's what i was thinking, some sort of fuel tap/accelerator pump/fuel release type thingy. maybe something for an alternative fuel tank? I'm really not sure and can't find anywhere that it would mount.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 04, 2018, 15:03:57
Rear wheel is definitely not SRAD. I have one sitting in my gargage. 6 in wheel.  Front end looks older than Srad too, but hard to tell. Wheels look more GS to me.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 04, 2018, 15:55:56
The wheels say SUZUKI on it. I bet they're from a Gixxer.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 04, 2018, 16:03:52
My money is on GS 500.  The rear is too narrow to be from a GSXR.  Maybe Katana
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 04, 2018, 16:07:17
Where does it say Suzuki?  On the spokes or the wheel lip?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 04, 2018, 16:11:29
no matter... I like it!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: doc_rot on Dec 04, 2018, 16:41:37
there will be a year stamp on one of the spokes, that should help narrow it down.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 04, 2018, 18:02:40
Right.  The brakes and disks are interesting in that they have nicely machined adapters.  Agree that wheels do look like GS500 and they would be narrower and more suitable.

They should have the width and year of manufacture cast into the spokes.  that should tell us something.  If the footpeg brackets and caliper adapters were machined by a PO, that was a fancy build for the time.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 04, 2018, 18:53:51
Here's a close up of the wheels. Yeah, the bike has some really nice machined aluminum parts; headlight brackets, brake stays, dash, caliper adapters, really quality machining.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 04, 2018, 18:55:23
Also, here are a couple close ups of my mystery part. It isn't mounted to anything and is connected to the throttle cable.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 04, 2018, 18:57:09
Gsxr rear would be 4.5 inches if it's an older model.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 05, 2018, 00:16:26
It appears to be a diaphragm type valve and maybe a fuel valve that shuts off flow if the throttle is closed.

Do you see a regular fuel tap (petcock) under the tank and is it possible that that this thing sat in the fuel line between the tank and the carb?

I did a quick google search and an 89-96 GS500 appears to have been supplied with that 3.5" wheel at the back end and an MT17 3.00 at the front with single disk that could be converted to twin disks.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: irk miller on Dec 05, 2018, 01:24:52
I feel like a disassemble would reveal a lot for that valve.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: pacomotorstuff on Dec 05, 2018, 07:38:33
Digging back through the cobwebs of my mind, the "mystery device" may well be an aftermarket accelerator pump that was offered by a couple of companies back in the early '80's to get rid of the flat spot in acceleration when the throttle was suddenly whacked open on a carbureted bike.
I think one of the big motorcycle magazines even did an install and test on one, using a Honda 750 / 4.
It should have an inlet and outlet for the fuel and is basically a modified automotive accelerator pump - looks a lot like the one on the 850 Quadrajet bolted to my Cadillac 500...
There was some adjustability with the pump kits - different arm position, maybe different orifices, stuff like that - to tailor the size of the shot of fuel the pump sent.
If I can find anything about the accelerator pump kits in my stack of old magazines, I'll post something on the site.
Pat
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 08:46:35
Thanks Paco, Irk, Teazer and 1fasgsxr!! I'm glad to know the wheels are from a gs500 and i'm officially CONVINCED that the mystery valve is an accelerator pump.

On to the next big bit... getting it running.
My question to the forum is; What are the least amount of wires needed to start an sr500?
I'd like to fire this heap to make sure the motor is sound. It has coils attached and a plug and wire but thats about it. No key, no headlight loom. I have a feeling that i can run a hot lead to a coil and she may fire up. any suggestions or links to a wiring diagram?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 09:38:16


I heard praytell that there is a simplified wiring diagram on rexs-speedshop.com but i couldn't find it for the life of me.
I was able to find these simple diagrams - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bcm-blog/sets/72157615127432489/
couple questions; In the diagram, they keep saying magneto. Do they mean that as the charging system? In my world a magneto makes spark for an old harley.  Also, are all sr500's a CDI ignition? mine is a '78.

thanks!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 05, 2018, 09:48:30
The mystery box is the stock VM34SS accelerator pump. Yes, the bike runs a self-exciting coil (kinda like a magneto), so you don't need a battery to have spark. Downside, one of the coils is a very fine wire 300 Ohm coil prone to shorting out, which means you end up with no spark below 2000-something RPM. (That's when the other coils kick in and produce the electricity for the ignition.)

Unfortunately for SR500s, you simply speak the wrong language, if you want support - time to brush up that German, but google translate will help you through the worst.

In order to bypass the stock induction setup, there's a so-called two-wire setup to check out the rest of the electrical system:

http://motorang.com/bucheli-projekt/elektrik_allgemein.htm#zweikabel

That being said, if you need parts, look into the direction of http://www.kedo.de

And yes, the SR500 has always been CDI driven, you can convert it to points, if your really wanted, but that's only possible, when you still have an older set of cases, which still has the casting pre-drilled for the points shaft and gear. Plus you will need a XT500 clutch-cover and points-setup. (Some german racers use that in the Grab the Flag Classic 500 series, aka. SR500 cup (www.grab-the-flag.de) and because you will surely wonder about it... tuning is rather sophisticated, with the best bikes running around the 50 to 55hp (at the rear wheel of course) )

If you need info on hot-cams, short stroke conversios, different carbs, bigger valves, altered combustion chambers... well, I'll keep an eye on this thread here.

Cheers,
Greg
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Hurco550 on Dec 05, 2018, 09:55:52
whereabouts ya live in ohio?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 10:24:03

Der Nano, my man! That diagram is perfect! thanks for the help, brother. I'm going to give her hell to get running this weekend. I'd really like to know what state the engine is in before I proceed fixing anything else.

Hurco, I'm in the Akron/Canton area.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Dec 05, 2018, 10:30:28
I am in. I really enjoy the Tracy body on this scoot.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Hurco550 on Dec 05, 2018, 11:31:54
Hurco, I'm in the Akron/Canton area.

Ah cool, sis went to college there at Malone University. I'm just down by Marion. Cool project man!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Dec 05, 2018, 12:09:38
The swingarm looks like it might be from MotoLanna.


http://www.motolanna.com/ourshop/prod_448876-Swingarm-Aluminum-Alloy-SuperTuff.html
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 05, 2018, 13:13:40
That makes sense.  If that is what it is, then there should be two fuel lines - one from the tank and the other to somewhere on the carb where it discharges.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 15:34:01
Man, I wish my swingarm was Motolanna. They're real nice. Mine is less elaborate and uses the stock chain adjusters.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 15:36:23

Peep the custom bluetooth sprocket bolts.  8)




This whole bike is (at best) loosely attached.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 05, 2018, 15:38:15
Looks like an original DG, Calfab or similar aftermarket arm which is what the current ones are copies of.   It really needs to be longer to work with that long tail section though.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 15:43:34
It really needs to be longer to work with that long tail section though.

Id rather chop a few inches off of the tail.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 05, 2018, 17:39:20
Peep the custom bluetooth sprocket bolts.  8)

Is it SEMA-time again?  8)
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 05, 2018, 17:51:36
Id rather chop a few inches off of the tail.

That is an interesting idea but I hate to think how hard it would be to match the tapered lines without completely making a mess of it.

Not suggesting that you don't have the skills or that it couldn't be done.  Just wondering how TF that could work.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 19:15:17
Pulled the body off to get a better idea of what I'm working with. On the good end; the frame looks bone stock without a single tab cut. It looks to be all there and hopefully will fire up without much fuss.
The body is in great shape. No cracks or real damage that I saw. Tank is rusted to hell though.
PLUS - I found out what the accelerator pump was doing there. Seems like someone tapped a jet into the carb and was planning on running the pump as an external enricher. Someone on FB suggested that it may have been methanol injected. Doubtful but who knows.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 19:26:22
Also, I just wanted to make sure, this is my CDI box right?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Popeye SXM on Dec 05, 2018, 19:48:18
Great find. In the last pic there appears to be a crack next to the weld on the cross tube. Pic's can be misleading but please do scratch off the paint to be sure. I hope this bike gives you more pleasure than pain. good luck
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 05, 2018, 21:15:04
Nah, it's not a crack, just a shitty weld. They completely undercut the bracket they were supposed to fix to the frame. 😑
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Popeye SXM on Dec 05, 2018, 21:33:20
 :) I hope the motor is good too. interesting project you have
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: hooligan998 on Dec 06, 2018, 00:51:17
Very cool find.  I'm in.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 06, 2018, 03:05:04
Yup, that little box is the CDI and your frame is missing the last 3 or 4 inches at the back, but it's just two frame ears, so nothing substantial.

The quickest (and safest) way to check the condition of the engine is to take off one of the rocker bolts, insert an M6 bolt into the rockershaft and try to rock it up and down. If there's no play you're in luck. If not, well, it's sort of standard to have worn out rockershaft bores in the head. The downside, the rockers and camshaft will most likely be toast as well.

I pinned them down with some set screws to get a bit of extra life out of them, but be aware that this is just an intermediate fix. If your engine-no is starting with 48T instead of 2j2 or 2j4, you should already have the improved head where the rockershafts are fixed into place and they can't spin in the head and thus elongate the holes anymore.

The other thing you can check quite easily is by removing the cap from the camchain adjuster (it's manual) and check how much thread is still available.

You can check the condition of the inductive coils by unplugging the 6-pin connector from the alternator and measuring the resistance (engine side of course) between brown and black and red and black. Both should yield in excess of 330 Ohms to be perfect, the bike will still fire up with readings around or just under 290 Ohms. It can be converted to battery ignition as I doubt you will be able to find a company will to rewind your coil. (Old TV- and radio-repairshops used to do that overhere...)
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 06, 2018, 10:55:16
Awesome, thanks Der Nano. My engine starts with the 2j2 designation. To be perfectly honest, I'm going to jankily wire and fire the pig this evening/weekend and work on whatever fails or is broken. Wishful thinking that my motor isn't a heap of junk.  ;)

We'll see!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 06, 2018, 11:02:41
Here is a pic of my custom mikuni. The reg/rec looks new however the coil is ancient. I suppose I should run the test Der Nano suggested.  :-\
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 06, 2018, 18:31:43
Both are the stock OEM parts and the coil... well even the new ones look like that.

Btw.: Due to the nature of the ignition setup, no alternative coil will work. (Except for an XT500 coil, which is identical, except for a different plug.)
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 06, 2018, 18:52:56

Got her running!
I gave the carb a quick and dirty scrub, some fresh oil and fuel and WHAM she puts! Engine sounded strong, no knocks or ticks. She was certainly smoking a bit but I'm not worried about that right now.

Here's a link to a video of the first start. I hope it works.  :-\

Sr500 first start https://imgur.com/gallery/lnShvPX
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 06, 2018, 21:25:43
Sounds good.  That's a lot of smoke.  Is there an oil leak or just oil on the outside to stop rust?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 06, 2018, 21:43:51
Yeah, the top end was smoking pretty bad. It was mostly coming from the header. I think it was just some shitty paint on the pipe. Also, for whatever reason, the whole motor is covered in a layer of oil or grease or wd40.... Ugh, who knows why.  ???


Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Dec 06, 2018, 23:35:35
Looks like an original DG, Calfab or similar aftermarket arm which is what the current ones are copies of.   It really needs to be longer to work with that long tail section though.

I'll try to take a picture of my Calfab so you can compare.  Beautiful weld on this piece!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 07, 2018, 00:27:41
Yeah, the top end was smoking pretty bad. It was mostly coming from the header. I think it was just some shitty paint on the pipe. Also, for whatever reason, the whole motor is covered in a layer of oil or grease or wd40.... Ugh, who knows why.  ???

Could have been a leak or maybe the PO coated it in oil to protect against corrosion in storage.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 07, 2018, 04:33:20
+1
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 07, 2018, 10:26:04
alright boys, I'm going to need some help with the next bit. I need to figure out what front end I have so I can source brake lines and fork seals and the like.
I believe that I have a Gsxr 750 front end from the 90's. I found a very helpful website with pretty detailed photo's of gixxers through the years, here - https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/modelhistorytimelines/Suzuki-GSXR750-1996-1999-Page5?d=1

It seems that the earlier front ends have Nissin brakes (which I have) and later 90's years switch to Tokico. However, my Nissins are attached with a custom made bracket so i'm not sure if it's much of a qualifier. Suzuki probably used this front end for quite a while but I need to be certain to avoid buying the wrong parts. I'm hoping that there's a 90's GSXR fan on here that can help me identify my front end and possibly source the brake lines I need.

thanks brothers!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: advCo on Dec 07, 2018, 11:03:05
Looks right to me. You can also buy the components at Summit Racing and build your own brake lines.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 07, 2018, 11:22:23
You can also buy the components at Summit Racing and build your own brake lines.

Pffft, Summit is my secret weapon! I live 15 mins from their headquarters and i'm there all the time.
Yes, advCo, they're definitely pretty similar. Hoping someone knows for sure what year the front end is so I know exactly what parts to buy.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: irk miller on Dec 07, 2018, 11:35:52
Start taking measurements and compare in the table...

(http://www.triumphrat.net/memberalbums/data/504/150.jpg)
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 07, 2018, 12:24:08
Whoa, that's gnarly! thanks Irk, great find.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 07, 2018, 13:12:48
Measure the OD of the forks at the lower tree.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Dec 07, 2018, 13:25:18
Whoa, that's gnarly! thanks Irk, great find.

+1
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 07, 2018, 13:26:14
I think the 1100 forks are 52 at the top and 750 are 50, both are 54 at the lower tree. I think all Gsxr forks 2004 and up are radial mount calipers so that quickly eliminates those.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Dec 07, 2018, 13:30:32
You are probably running the correct caliper to the forks but because it looks like GS wheels they made an adapter to fit the rotors.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Streetfighterkz on Dec 07, 2018, 13:34:58
That fork style are found on Ď92-93 Gsxr600W, 90-95 Gsxr750, and 90/91(?)-98 Gsxr1100ís.

The calipers point to earlier years. The custom caliper bracket is most likely due to the brake rotor being smaller than the stock Gsxr rotor because of the wheel swap.

Later, Doug
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 07, 2018, 14:56:01
You are probably running the correct caliper.
That fork style are found on Ď92-93 Gsxr600W, 90-95 Gsxr750, and 90/91(?)-98 Gsxr1100ís.

thanks boys!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 10, 2018, 19:17:43
Not much to add, just waiting on parts. Bought some tank cleaner to sort the rust and snagged some brake lines to get that going. If all goes well, I'll take her around the block before tear down.

While we wait, take a look at this custom Grinch flavored carb guts. 😬
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 11, 2018, 02:28:02
Two things I can tell you with this carb:

1) this isn't the stock carb (but I guess you figured that out already) - would be interesting to see if it's a 36 or 38mm
2) This has not been run on alky as otherwise the mainjet would be VASTLY bigger.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 11, 2018, 09:00:14
You know, I meant to measure the carb while I had it out. I was curious as well. I still have to pull it and give it a proper scrub so I'm sure I'll put the calipers to it. I was just amazed at how green the bowl was. It blew my mind.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: cxman on Dec 11, 2018, 10:19:26
i wonder why it has the remains of a power jet on it? might be left over from a 2 stroke applicaton
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 11, 2018, 10:33:15
That "power jet" was apparently connected to an aftermarket accelerator pump.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: cxman on Dec 11, 2018, 21:10:55
i would like to see that
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 11, 2018, 21:16:50
i would like to see that

You just have to scroll back a couple pages, bud.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 14, 2018, 18:37:51
Chem dipped the shit out of the carb, rear master(which was frozen) and the petcock (which was ALSO frozen). They cleaned up pretty well and hopefully I won't have to buy a new petcock.

Bought a Kreem tank liner kit to clean and line the rusty tank. However, after letting the acid sit overnight, I drained it and it was the water ran out clear! Righteously confused, I rinsed the tank out and put a magnet to it and found out it isn't metal! The tank has a steel fuel bung but the whole tank is fiberglass. I'll post a picture so you can see for yourselves.

Also, I found out the mikuni is a 36mm. I was really pulling for a 38mm. Bummer. 😬
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 14, 2018, 20:10:29
Yep.  Tracey bodies were all fiberglass.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: pidjones on Dec 15, 2018, 00:33:25
Pleeez! No Kreem! It is the devil's brew!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: stroker crazy on Dec 15, 2018, 01:47:35
^^+1

Caswell's is the way to go!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: doc_rot on Dec 15, 2018, 02:43:27
you  may want to coat the tank anyway as the ethanol now in fuel will wreak havoc on that gas tank. the Caswell kit is a special type of epoxy. I have lined two tanks with it and it is good stuff.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 16, 2018, 00:28:09
Agree.  The tank will need to be washed out to get a clean surface for the Caswell kit to bond to.  I did a glass tank with Caswell and IIRC I flushed it out with acetone.

I had a Norton Commando in the shop a while back with bent valves caused by the resin leaching out of his glass tank into the fuel supply and coating the valve stems with a nice sticky glue.  Ethanol in fuel is a problem for old school glass tanks.

And Kreem, as PIDJones said is horrible stuff. You would be picking that out of the whole fuel system for years to come.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 16, 2018, 18:28:29
Guys, I agree, I frigging hate Kreem. I've had nothing but bad experience with it, BUT, I didn't know there was another option! I've tried redkote as well and wasn't a fan of that either.

At any rate, thanks for the suggestion boys! I'll give that epoxy a go.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 16, 2018, 18:34:56
Can anyone give me a lesson on SR500 rear master cylinders? Mine was frozen so I pulled it apart, cleaned it up but as expected, it's leaking still. However, to my surprise, rebuild kits and especially new master cylinders are like hens teeth! The ONLY rebuild kit I could find was $250 on eBay!

Anyone have some suggestions? Will an xs650 rebuild kit work? It looks pretty similar. Also, I think my MC is leaking from the cap. It looks in relatively good shape but I could hear pressure escaping. Anyone have a clever fix, or an old cap laying around?

Thanks in advance!

Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: pidjones on Dec 16, 2018, 21:22:55
Just a warning that if you get a China-origin MC, pull it apart, clean it up, and reassemble with brake fluid to lubricate everything. Two I've had so far (a front and a rear - one direct and one from US vendor) were both filthy and improperly assembled. Worked Ok after rebuild and correction. Good news is that new snap rings come out a LOT easier than old rusted ones!
And honestly, if this is a performance bike don't EVER put ethanol fuel in it. I use just non-ethanol gas treated with Stabil in all of my carbureted engines.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 16, 2018, 21:33:19
Just a warning that if you get a China-origin MC, pull it apart, clean it up, and reassemble with brake fluid to lubricate everything

I wouldn't mind a repop Chinese MC. I haven't been able to find one. Have a link?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: pidjones on Dec 16, 2018, 21:34:54
They are all over ebay. May take a little adapting.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: irk miller on Dec 16, 2018, 21:52:32
This kit is supposed to be a match to rebuild the stock m/c.

https://www.jpcycles.com/product/2400656/master-cylinder-rebuild-kit?avad=55963_e142503f9&Siteid=AvantLink_41227-55963-NA&utm_source=avantlink&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=41227
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 16, 2018, 22:14:48
This kit is supposed to be a match to rebuild the stock m/c.

Yeah, I read that on the sr500 forum but I think I need a new cap and plunger and maybe even a body. Mine is all pitted and shitty
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: irk miller on Dec 16, 2018, 22:26:43
What's your max pay?  I'm sure you've seen the two on eBay for $129 or Best Offer and another for $190 or Make Offer.  I know $129 is still pricey, but with the rebuild kit from the forum, you're at $150.  A Best Offer may get you everything for $120 or less.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 17, 2018, 00:08:35
Just thinking out loud here, but since the bike is far from stock, why not look at rear master cylinders from almost any other similar bike and fit a remote reservoir.  Chinese copies are pennies on the dollar, but you should be able to fit and adapt one from almost any modern sport bike at a fraction of the cost of an NOS unit.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: ex119x on Dec 17, 2018, 02:44:39
I am sure I have several rear Yamaha MC sitting around, along with some reservoirs and caps. I will be back at my garage next weekend and can look.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: doc_rot on Dec 17, 2018, 05:02:03
you can get a brand new Brembo rear master cylinder for $60 with the reservoir
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 17, 2018, 08:20:59
Just thinking out loud here, but since the bike is far from stock, why not look at rear master cylinders from almost any other similar bike and fit a remote reservoir.

I hear you. That very well may be the plan. At the time, I didn't know that a rear MC were so difficult to find. My rearsets are designed to fit a stock MC. I could whip up a new bracket to make them fit but a stock MC would just bolt on. We'll see!

you can get a brand new Brembo rear master cylinder for $60 with the reservoir

Nice! If I can make it work, I'm down. Have a link to the MC you're thinking of?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 17, 2018, 10:52:31
What is the distance between the mounting bolts (center to center)?  Let's see what might fit without modification.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 17, 2018, 13:33:05
Also, I found out the mikuni is a 36mm. I was really pulling for a 38mm. Bummer. 😬

Don't sweat it, the 36mm is the better option. The 38 will give you a very hard time with jetting as it lacks an accelerator pump.

Can anyone give me a lesson on SR500 rear master cylinders?

Get a rear master cylinder from a XS750/XS850 and get a repair kit for that. It's also a smaller piston diameter making the rear brake more aggressive (14mm instead of 5/8"), which usually is a heaven's sent with rear-sets.

Cheers,
Greg
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 17, 2018, 14:08:15
My MC measures 55mm center to center. Most of the Brembo's and others I saw were around 40mm
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 17, 2018, 14:09:27
Get a rear master cylinder from a XS750/XS850 and get a repair kit for that. It's also a smaller piston diameter making the rear brake more aggressive (14mm instead of 5/8"), which usually is a heaven's sent with rear-sets.

Thanks brother, I'll give Ebay a quick look
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Dec 17, 2018, 14:21:06
Gah, I don't think the xs750 MC will work. The price is right but it mounts completely differently.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: doc_rot on Dec 17, 2018, 16:54:52
they have other bore diameters / outlet styles available as well. reservoir is sold separately

https://store.bevelheaven.com/Brake-Related-Parts/Master-Cylinder-Brembo-Rear-Brake-11mm-Black-Straight-Outlet/
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Dec 17, 2018, 18:26:46
I have a Chinese one with oval slots that allow for 40=5-50mm center to center.  GSXR I have are 50mm and so is an early R6. 

Lockheed made a race rear caliper with 55mm spacing but those are really expensive - if you can find one.  I have a new one here somewhere that came with some race bike resto that I did. I have it put aside to replace one on a TZ.

Try RD400 or XS and see what size they are.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: der_nanno on Dec 18, 2018, 06:42:19
You may want to ask for bolthole-spacing, just to be sure, that you guys in the US haven't got a different spacing or something like that.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 02, 2019, 08:45:03
Now that the holidays are over and spent, I stole a few hours to work on the race bike. A generous fellow on the sr500 Facebook page shipped me a used rear master and I also had new front brake lines and a grip full of crush washers show up in the mail so I decided to give the brakes a go.
And then I pulled my hair out all evening. No matter what I did, I couldn't get the front brakes to bleed. Even after an hour of pumping away at the mity-vac, these brakes won't bleed. As near as I can tell, the front master is fine and not leaking and it gives plenty of power. All the crush washers are new and nothing is leaking so I can tell.
I'm at a loss. I'm just going to have to keep tinkering.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: pidjones on Jan 02, 2019, 08:50:56
You might need to prime the master a few times. I've had to hold my finger over the outlet and pump until it flows fluid well, then connect it and bleed air out of the joint.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 02, 2019, 08:54:57
Pics
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 02, 2019, 09:03:04
You might need to prime the master a few times.

Now that you say that, it reminds me of something. I tried to prime the master and I got excellent pressure at the line, but it wasn't sucking in any fluid. Later, I had this air bubble just before the master and no matter how many times I pumped it, the bubble wouldn't move. Maybe my inlet is clogged? However, I was able to get fluid into the calipers with a mity-vac.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: NoRiders on Jan 02, 2019, 09:17:10
Now that you say that, it reminds me of something. I tried to prime the master and I got excellent pressure at the line, but it wasn't sucking in any fluid. Later, I had this air bubble just before the master and no matter how many times I pumped it, the bubble wouldn't move. Maybe my inlet is clogged? However, I was able to get fluid into the calipers with a mity-vac.

I had this issue on my Honda after cleaning out a clogged with old fluid m/c. I tried everything, even a syringe from the calipers backwards...nothing would give me a bleed even though the m/c felt fine. There was a minute hole in the reservoir chamber/piston tract that allows fluid into the piston chamber, cleaned it out but still nothing!! I fitted a repro m/c from a trusted supplier and bingo first time bleed and all is well.
Still not too sure wtf was up with the original m/c?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 02, 2019, 09:40:40
I should just buy a rebuild kit or a new mc but I'm not sure what mine is. Stock gsxr? Anyone know what master this is?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 02, 2019, 15:32:14
Looks like a '95-'97ish GSXR part just like the front end and wheels.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-SUZUKI-GSXR750W-FRONT-BRAKE-MASTER-CYLINDER-W-LEVER/292477260722?hash=item441900d3b2:g:1qMAAOSwGltaot~Y

I might just buy a chinese or brembo job from the ebay. We'll see.  :-\
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Streetfighterkz on Jan 02, 2019, 16:53:29
I might just buy a chinese or brembo job from the ebay. We'll see.  :-\

I would/will NEVER buy anything brake related from the Chinese.  Iíll save and pony up the extra $$ for something reputable. Brakes arenít something to skimp on.

Just my $0.02, but I could be wrong.

Later, Doug
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 02, 2019, 17:05:29
https://www.dimecitycycles.com/magura-hc3-radial-brake-master-cylinder-w-reservoir-15mm.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-System-Radial-Master-Cylinder-For-KTM-200-250-DUKE-R-390-690-990-SMT/113140764487?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D50bfdc4a3080471fae0978d54bfa442d%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D272153384262%26itm%3D113140764487&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A6206625b-0ed1-11e9-adc6-74dbd180b8bc%7Cparentrq%3A105dc26f1680aa4651f0c74affecde3a%7Ciid%3A1

When the original is $700 and a Chinese copy is 1/10 of the cost at $70... I'll take the risk.

However, my mind is FAR from made up. I have a few other projects so garage money is running thin. Cost certainly is a major factor. Anyone have any experience with cheap front brake masters? Is there a reasonable brembo that a lot of dudes run?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: advCo on Jan 02, 2019, 17:31:18
I used a new $25 Chinese Grimeca knockoff master on the CB360. It said Grimeca on it, but it was $25...so I assume it was a knockoff.

It worked fine and never leaked in the 2-3 years I had it on the bike, for what its worth.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Jan 02, 2019, 18:05:32
Some of the newer R1's came factory with a Brembo master cyl. It was a single year or a very short year run on them. They used radial calipers too...not sure if that would make much difference.
You can buy a used master off eBay for really cheap. Even if it needs a rebuild you know what to get as far as parts go.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Jan 02, 2019, 18:21:18
What size is that M/C?  It should be cast into the body.  I'd look for one the same size as that one which is most likely a GSXR 5/8" unit.

You could also clean that one out and fit a banjo bolt with bleed nipple to make life easier.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Jan 02, 2019, 18:28:05
It looks similar to the one on my 98 Gsxr. I think they were the same on many Gsxr's.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: pidjones on Jan 02, 2019, 18:39:46
Chinese masters are Ok if you clean/assemble properly before installation. At least the one front and one rear I've used. Issues were found but easily corrected on both.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 02, 2019, 18:55:50
What size is that M/C?  It should be cast into the body.  I'd look for one the same size as that one which is most likely a GSXR 5/8" unit.

You could also clean that one out and fit a banjo bolt with bleed nipple to make life easier.

Yep, this is a 5/8" master. I've seen those bleeder banjo bolts, I wanted one but its another chinese jobby. I'm going to tinker around, rip it apart, and try and find the problem. If it can't be sorted in a couple hours, i'll probably buy a cheap chinese master though.

I've never heard of the Grimeca units... (I'm a dumb harley guy) anyone have a link? I'll have to do some research.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: doc_rot on Jan 02, 2019, 21:33:39
Ive used the Chinese MCs many times when flipping bikes. They work fine for $20 shipped, but the finish is very poor and I have had the reservoir caps leak on two of them.

brand new basic Brembo 16mm MC is $100 brand new. Nothing fancy but the fit and finish are excellent.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 23, 2019, 10:06:02

It's time to get back on the old race bike. Took a few weeks off due to the holidays, some travel, and building some solid struts for the old Digger. But, I'm focused on getting this pig up and running in time for summer.

After some cussing, clever back-filling, and a mity-vac, I was able to get the front brakes working flawlessly. I'm very pleased with how they feel so far, and upon inspection, the rotors and calipers are in fantastic shape. Once I bought all new lines, crush washers, and spent some time bleeding, they're perfect.

The rear brakes are a different story. The rear master I got with the bike was frozen solid and after I tore it apart and thoroughly cleaned it, it still leaked air. So, I bought a second-hand master and this poor gal was in even worse shape.  :( BUT, after some scrubbing and a mix and match of useable parts, I was able to turn 2 masters into 1 good one.

I bled the rear brakes, got all of the air out, had a good pedal feel but the brakes still didn't work. I pulled off the caliper, got the rubber boot removed and saw a rusty, frozen piston. BUMMER. Still, I wanted to recycle the parts so I went along with trying to use it. After pulling, whacking, heating, air-blasting, and lubing the caliper, I just couldn't get the piston to move.

I had heard about a neat trick using a grease gun to push out a frozen piston. Evidently, you plug the banjo bolt hole, loosen the bleeder and pump grease into the caliper until it forces out the piston. Sounded pretty messy put I wasn't left with many options. So, a $15 grease gun and some creativity and WHAM, she popped out! I can't recommend this method as once you're done, you have a grease filled pile of junk... but it worked. haha.

At any rate, sadly the piston was rusted, pitted, and completely unusable. Fuck it, I'm buying a new one. I found brand new xs650 Front Calipers that APPEAR the same... unless anyone objects, I'm going to snag one and see if it fits. We'll see!

http://www.tcbroschoppers.com/yamaha-xs650-front-right-brake-caliper-fits-1977-1984.html
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 23, 2019, 10:07:49
pics
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 23, 2019, 10:09:10
pics
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 23, 2019, 10:17:53
The pig I built struts for.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Jan 23, 2019, 11:13:47
I can dig that digger, sir.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: BarnBurner on Jan 23, 2019, 12:32:14
The pig I built struts for.

Is that the Arlen Ness Digger for sale near Canton? I'm not too far away and have been looking at it listed on CL for a while hoping the price drops.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 23, 2019, 12:36:57
Is that the Arlen Ness Digger for sale near Canton? I'm not too far away and have been looking at it listed on CL for a while hoping the price drops.

Yes sir. Its mine and its for sale. Unfortunately, I can tell you that the price isn't going to drop too much. But, I am open to offers and trades with cash, etc.

I just sourced some vintage Ness pullbacks, built these rigid struts and threw on a triangle headlight. I think that'll increase the value and pique some interests. I've been holding off until taxes hit to really push the sale of the bike.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: jordandogtown on Jan 23, 2019, 12:38:15
Love seeing two wildly different styles by the same builder. Keep up the work!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 23, 2019, 12:39:01
Digger
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: BarnBurner on Jan 23, 2019, 13:11:07
Love the new bars and light! I actually think it's worth what you have it priced at (especially since everyone in the area seems to price their sportsters at $3000 regardless of year/condition).
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jan 23, 2019, 14:26:03

I appreciate it, brother! feel free to drop me a line!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on May 10, 2019, 20:40:22
Yo! Just wanted to give you guys a quick update:

I got the forks rebuilt and polished up, new neck bearings, new tires, new exhaust gasket, brakes sorted and working well. This dirty bird was ready to finally go on her maiden voyage!

Kicked her over, got her putting along, pulled the clutch in and clicked into first gear and WHAM!

the clutch is stuck. 😑

At any rate, as soon as I get the brakes sorted on my chopper, I'll be getting back into this bike because I can't wait to ride it.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: canyoncarver on May 12, 2019, 23:24:33
That is really cool.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jun 11, 2019, 22:36:38
Is it normal when your clutch comes out as one glued together lump?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: sandmanred on Jun 12, 2019, 07:37:27
I had one apart recently.  Hard to tell from the pics but it looks like it might be  fiber (not cork) friction pads.  My 78 XS400 came with a clutch with fiber pads.  I just got it last fall.  From what I can tell the bike sat for about 6 years before I got it.  The clutch cable was loose when I got it so the PO thought the cable was broke.  The pads in the clutch rusted and stuck the steel plates and about 1/3 of them delaminated and from the friction plates and got everywhere in the engine case.  The loose pieces stacked up in the clutch and caused the cable to go way out of adjustment. It took a while to figure out but in the end I replace the friction plates (cork pads) and re-used the steel plates after scrubbing off the rust with 600 sandpaper and it works fine now.

Good luck with yours!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: brad black on Jun 12, 2019, 09:49:21
That is really cool.

it is that.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jun 12, 2019, 10:16:43
Yeah, I do think that this is fiber friction pads. I was able to break them loose and clean up the steels and I think it's going to be ok. It's a bummer that the oil filter cap broke. 😒
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Brodie on Jun 12, 2019, 10:47:24
If I remember right that particular bolt is know for being over torqued and stripping out the case. So I would say a broken bolt and cover is a better option.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jun 12, 2019, 11:05:35
@brodie - I totally agree. I'd much rather spend $30 on a new cover than chase threads in the case 🤦

Plus, I got a chance to snag a Peace sign Motolanna cover that'll make this bike even uglier 🙌
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Jun 12, 2019, 21:11:58
Why didn't anyone tell me that an sr500 clutch cover doubles as a waffle iron?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: hooligan998 on Jun 13, 2019, 01:09:14
One of the best kept secrets of all time.  And now you know.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Sav0r on Jun 14, 2019, 12:07:36
Waffle House covered it up.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: CrabsAndCylinders on Jun 14, 2019, 20:49:12
Make sure you wipe up that maple syrup.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 13, 2019, 20:22:31
Welp, I have a new mukuni 38mm on order. The old one had some funky bits on it and I thought it best to bite the bullet and start fresh. While I await the postman, I figured I'd mull over a re-style. I picked up this TT500 tank and a $30 Amazon seat - and it has me captivated. The Tracy body is rad but it's also heavy and cumbersome. _and ugly_

What do you dudes think? Tracy body or tt500 tank?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 13, 2019, 20:23:47
Pics
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 14, 2019, 02:00:23
The Tracy body is rad but it's also heavy and cumbersome. _and ugly_

Agreed.

TT tank but add a fender.

Crazy
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 14, 2019, 12:44:38
I think that's the ticket. I wouldn't run this actual seat, I'd make my own. This is a $30 Amazon job.

Does anyone have any experience fitting a tt tank to an SR? It looks tougher than I thought - I'll have to relocate the coil, cut off some existing tabs and oil cooler and weld on new tabs. I thought it'd be cake. (╯į□į)╯︵ ┻━┻
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Maritime on Aug 14, 2019, 16:05:38
I like the TT tank too but also fender on rear even if you go with a longer seat.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: advCo on Aug 14, 2019, 19:58:07
Looks like every other instagram cafebrattracker with the TT tank and flat seat. Meh.

The Tracy body may be big and ugly but at least it's got character.

My vote's with the Tracy.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Aug 14, 2019, 23:13:19
That's a no bainer for me.  TT tank is nice enough but it just looks like any other off road to street brat scrambler mix up.  The Tracy body is never going to be light or current, but it's pretty much unique now and therefore interesting. 

To me, it's got to stay as a period piece.  Put another way, do you want people to notice it and talk about it?  If so go Tracy. There's a whole story there to dine off for years.  TT tank - not so much.

That's just my opinion.  YMMV.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: stroker crazy on Aug 15, 2019, 03:04:33
If you do go the Tracy perhaps you could consider another colour.

The black mass is a bit overwhelming.

Crazy
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Brodie on Aug 15, 2019, 10:36:03
I agree. Tracy body for me.

Go with they Yamaha Yellow Block decals. It will look rad!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 15, 2019, 10:49:56
I could dig that! I would like to get it painted eventually. Anyone want to Photoshop some funky paint jobs?   8)
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Brodie on Aug 15, 2019, 10:51:50
If you were to use a small belly pan and a small bikini fairing it wouldn't look so out of place either.

Maybe extend the swing arm a little as well.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: killerx on Aug 15, 2019, 11:04:58
Definitely go with the Tracy.
Or send it to me, I'll put it on my GT380 project. :) :) :) :) 8)
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Aug 15, 2019, 14:43:19
If you want to try yellow, there are lots of possibilities. 

King Kenny style (http://d3d9npwwya966f.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/roberts-ride.jpg)

Or (http://raresportbikesforsale.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/k-roberts-rz-350-1.jpg)

To get away with RZ style, you could paint the top section of the side panels on the same diagonal line as the rear section lower edge.  That would visually change the shape.

You could also try the 500 style but move it lower to continue a thin line under the seat something like this RD400 but make a thin black/white line continue the lower edge of the black section to link front and rear physically as well as visually.

(http://attach.kawiforums.com/2006/03/04/20060304141458-0-557.jpg)


I'm sure others will have better ways to show that or can offer alternate colors. 

Bottom line is that it's your bike to do with as you please. 
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 15, 2019, 14:59:11
Maaaaaaan, that looks rad. Did they make a factory rd350 or 400 in the Kenny colors?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: advCo on Aug 15, 2019, 15:50:00
Maaaaaaan, that looks rad. Did they make a factory rd350 or 400 in the Kenny colors?

I believe just the RZ350. My FIL has the exact same one Teazer just posted. I think its for sale ^.^
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: SONIC. on Aug 15, 2019, 16:38:08
I say Tracy, but find a fairing for the front.
It's a bit uggo without it, and i don't care how "unique" something is, if it's ugly it's still ugly.

"but she's got a great personality..."
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Aug 15, 2019, 21:41:11
Maaaaaaan, that looks rad. Did they make a factory rd350 or 400 in the Kenny colors?

They did offer an RD400E in yellow with black /white stripes according to:

http://www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=869.0

My RZ looks pretty much like that picture I posted but mine came with Spec11 pipes and a Corbin seat.

Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 15, 2019, 21:55:13
DERAIL WARNING - haha

Sorry for the U-turn but I need some help getting this bird started. I kicked my brains out today and never got so much as a sputter. I'm hoping there's an sr500 wizard here that can lend me a hand.

Quick Facts -
Brand New Mikuni vm38 - bought from Niche Cycle as specc'd for an sr500
Brand new plug - tried a Bp6es and an Iridium
Bright white spark, she's sparking just fine.

So, I have fuel, I have spark, WHAT GIVES? haha.

The most I got was a few balls of fire directly into my shins. I tried AC on/off, choke on/off, starting fluid, nothing.

any suggestions? Any tuning I could do to the ignition?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: ridesolo on Aug 15, 2019, 22:04:54
Tough call:

The TT tank setup is not bad, clean and efficient but it's... ordinary.

The Tracy setup is certainly unique and distinctive.  It took me a while but I finally figured it out, the thing sort of looks like the result of a wild, drunken night between a SR500 and a Honda Helix. 
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: irk miller on Aug 16, 2019, 08:03:56
Are you priming the engine with a few half-hearted kicks and the throttle open, then finding TDC in the window before you kick it over for real?

Also, the Tracy body just needs the fairing.  I see it similarly as the BMW R100RS.  They look totally whack without the fairing because the seat cowl is so long.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 16, 2019, 09:08:36
No, not really. After some reading last night, I learned the standard starting procedure with these bikes. This is my first sr500 and I had no idea that you cant adjust timing and there's a technique to using the decomp lever and such.

TLDR - I'm dumb but still in disbelief that she won't start.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: advCo on Aug 16, 2019, 13:04:11
I know its a different animal all together, but on my XL350, my starting procedure was to turn the fuel on, give the bowl a few seconds to fill up. Kick over twice with ignition switch off. Roll the engine over slowly with the kicker until its at TDC (you kinda have to get a feel for it) then one good, hard, smooth kick all the way through and it fired up every time.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: ex119x on Aug 16, 2019, 19:37:11
You can also put it in first gear and then roll it backwards until it comes up on compression. That way you know that it is just past TDC on the compression stroke. You will then be able to get a complete kick through. Do not stop partway through a kick with an SR500 or it will be perfectly happy to kick back and fire your right knee into the bottom of the front master cylinder.
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Brent on Aug 16, 2019, 23:01:05
The fairing balances the look.
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Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: teazer on Aug 17, 2019, 11:48:30
It does indeed.

The potential issue with a long horizontal stripe is that it tends to make it look even longer.

Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 17, 2019, 12:09:54
Wow those old adds are awesome. I'd love to come across a fairing some day. If anyone ever sees one, keep me in mind!
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Brodie on Aug 17, 2019, 22:47:56
Check out Airtech. They may have something similar or one you like better.
I am a big fan of the Sportster style but I don't think it would suit your body work. Maybe one off a ZRX might look good.

On another note, the angle of the body looks off. I think the front forks could do with being a bit taller. How much shorter are they than stock?
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: Brent on Aug 18, 2019, 09:22:41
A couple of Airtech's Moto Guzzi Le Mans fairings are squared, might work.

Here's one like Teazer's example.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tracy-Front-Fairing-Headlight-Windshield-Cover-CB-GS-XS-Z1-KZ-900-1000-1100-Cafe/293153882441?hash=item4441554149:g:5lAAAOSwRPBdFWxV&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: imwastefull on Aug 18, 2019, 10:15:41

She lives again!!
http://imgur.com/gallery/j95X6b7

Wow, I had no idea that these bikes had such a strict starting ritual... Once I got it down however, she purrs.

Also, maybe I should just sell my Tracy body 💀
Title: Re: SR500 RACE BIKE - Tracy body kit - Survivor - Ohio
Post by: doc_rot on Aug 19, 2019, 10:08:48
Just because some clown has it listed for that much doesnít mean it will sell for that. I think the Tracy body is cool just because itís differnet, you never see them. The other look with the tt tank youíve proposed is nice but itís not anything thatís very unique. But you should do whatever makes you happy