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Title: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Feb 24, 2012, 01:00:20
Well, the Pics I'm about to post probably won't look like much. Hopefully over the next couple months I can change that. I have a 14x16 shed on my property. Never really knew what I was going to do with it until about a week ago. Plan is to move it down on my pond, and turn it into sleeping Quarters. There will be two sets of glass sliding doors opening up onto a 6x16 deck that overhangs the water. Inside will be rustic with rough sawn beams, walls and ceiling, the floor will be a little more refined. I have enough slate tile to finish it with. There will be two queen beds but no electricty Plan is to locate some gas lights that will run off a 20# propane bottle.
anyhow, The building is built around telephone poles like a pole building. The back side is at ground level while the front is about 3' in the air. The poles around the outside continue through the walls to the ceiling. Then 2x6 horizontal perlins are attached to the poles to make up the studding for the walls.
Plan is to sandwich treated 2x8s around the poles, at the base of the building, to make skids.
 So, after the skids are attached, I'll cut  the poles from underneath and lower the building down. Its going to be a little tricky. Once the building is skidded to it's new home it will rest on top of a series of 2x10" headers The headers will sit ontop of 2x6" poles concreted into the ground. The original 2x8 skids will act as headers.
So I've taken the first steps to make this happen. For about the past five days I've been working daylight to dark. The building was filled with trash from the previous owners and I'm guilty of filling the front of the building with my own Junk. When I first moved here I was desperate to store some things from my old garage and it never left that building until now. So far I've managed to take one full trailer load of good stuff to my garage. Its been sorted and put away. I've also managed to remove 2700#s of trash that was left there by the previous owners. After the initial trash was hauled away, There was also a bunch of drywall to remove. Someone had nailed pieces of random size drywall to the walls with 16d nails. Hiding in the walls, as I'd figured was a shit load of roaches, snakes, mice and rats and everything you can imagine chewed to make nests. I removed an entire wheel borrow load of rat feces(I kid you not), about 15 snake skins, a few thousand cock roaches and a bunch of nasty shit. I retired 5 pretty large black snakes and moved them to their new forever home. Its an abandoned barn a couple miles up the road. I thanked them for their service and wished them good luck.
I still need to clean out some scrap building materials stored outside in front of the shed and also a bunch of shit from under the shed. I'm not looking forward to the under part at all. there is still a bunch of extruded aluminum and all kinds of lumber and other trash under there. Since I have to crawl under there to first clean it out, then to build the skids and cut the poles, I'm hoping for a few days of freezing temps. I figure that will help slow down any creepy crawlies, that otherwise, I know can crawl faster than me ;D
On to the pic...
First up...The shed. I had a bunch of random building material stored on the lower side. much of it was rotten and got burnt.
anyhow, this is the side that will have the glass sliding doors facing the pond. The steel hangs over 6" (you can see where it is bent) so it will get trimmed all the way around the building so I can attach the skids.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0038.jpg)
Side of the shed.
I've dug the back side enough (aprox 2.5' down) to get the skids attached and hopefully enough room to cut the poles. Then the plan is to slide long telephone poles under the skids to act as rollers.
(rat feces make a hot fire  ;D)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0032-1.jpg)
 
 
Lots of snake skins got burnt.  I didn't start taking photos until most of the inside had been cleaned. This is only a small tail piece.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0030-1.jpg)
 
 
I found these neat storage bins attached to the back wall. They're probably out of a general store or something because there is actually a tag, I can't remember selling what, 6 fer $. If the could only talk. The ten different colors of paint tells a story in itself.  Anyhow, I didn't even know these were in there.
In the pic you can see some of the drywall behind the bins
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0027.jpg)
 
 
 
 
Some of the last pieces of drywall to come down with feces, and nests...No snakes behind this one though
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0035.jpg)
 
 
I've never seen the inside. Took a hell of a lot of work to reach this point.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0024.jpg)
 
 
 
This is how I left it this evening
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0043.jpg)
I'm moving slow but hopefully much much more to come...
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Feb 24, 2012, 01:13:38
Troy, that's awesome that you are starting this project! I'm about to go to bed for the night, but remember: I have that MASSIVE window that I can't do anything with. If you want it just say the word.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Feb 24, 2012, 01:26:58
Hmmmm... Might just have a place for that baby!
what were the dimensions again? Please keep you eye out for two glass sliding doors too if you will.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: YogiBear on Feb 24, 2012, 02:15:06
looks like a cool project...and a lot of work!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Feb 24, 2012, 10:48:03
Very cool Troy.  I like the way you can take junk and make something functional and nice out of it.  I think that will be a great little place by the pond when you finish.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Tim on Feb 24, 2012, 10:57:37
Will make a beautiful showroom for Willow :)  I'd sleep in there any day.

It's a little mind blowing to think of having a 14 x 16 building on my property that I didn't know what to do with and had never been in :)  My 'land' is 17 x 120 feet period and I'm lucky to have a 12 x 20 garage.

All these nice old / new buildings are going to make me want to move back to the countryside.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Ringo on Feb 24, 2012, 11:00:44
That's quite the undertaking, Troy!  It sounds like it'll be a pretty darn cool spot when done though.  Your guests will be in for a treat!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Feb 24, 2012, 13:25:53
This is that monster of a window I was talking about:

 (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt70/rmyers104/photobucket-5046-1330104077219.jpg)

It's 6' tall, 10' wide and the two "corner" windows slide in towards the center. Pm incoming.......
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Feb 24, 2012, 13:29:16
thanks guys. Its funny how my wife doesn't see it. I was almost a year and half into the barn conversion before she (and alot of others) could finally see it. She thought I was insane. However, that was part of the driving force that helped me finish a project where I was in way over my head ;D .
I had a lot of nay sayers on that project. This time though the wife has a little more confidence in my vision etc. and she's kinda letting me just go at it. I guess part of the difference is it's a much smaller project and she doesn't have to live in this one ;D . 


Thnks Yogibear hopefully the hard work will pay off. It will keep me busy if nothing else ;D

I appreciate your confidence Maritime. Hopefully I won't let you down. You know you and your family are welcome here anytime. Thanks for the kind words!

Tim I hadn't thought about parking a bike in there. I'd just planned to use it as a guest cottage. but it would be a nice dry spot. Maybe a ramp is in order instead of steps...hmmmm...

Damn man 17' is not much room especially when you plant a home on it. Hope your neighbors likes motorcycles. The good side would be low maintenance ;D
Brother if you'd seen the inside of this building before I started you'd know why I never ventured in there :o . The photos were taken after a week of cleaning. Like I said it had 2,700# of rubbish and infested with rodents and snakes. In-fact, a while back I was real close to just having it bulldozed over. The floor is sagging in the middle and the roof is sagging on the back side as well. Not only are there no headers in the walls to hold the roof there is also only one top plate. However, its been standing for about 30 years and has never leaked. Its got good bones. I really think I can get it straightened out without too much trouble. New interior walls are needed anyway so it will get proper studded insulated walls with strong headers over doors and openings. The new foundation will be a double header system sitting on treated 6x6 posts cemented into the ground. If it doesn't turn out pretty at least it will be strong ;D

You know Ringo I see this as nothing compared to what Speedfiends doing or the work that's Kileys doing. This wil lbe fun though and hopefully like you said, give my guest a bit of a treat. I do know a few people though who would be insulted if I pointed and said, "that's where you'll be sleeping." ::) Oh well, they won't be on the guest list anyhow.  ;D
 I appreciate the kind wrds brother.
 

A tidbit of information:
I'm guessing the building's age based on the dates when of one of the previous owners lived here. He worked clearing power lines for utility companies and had access to utility poles. The telling tale though was what was inscribed on the back side of a piece of drywall. In black magic marker, "the world is full of queens and kings who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. It's heaven and hell."
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Feb 24, 2012, 13:30:19
That's awesome Rich. I'm very interested.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Ringo on Feb 24, 2012, 13:41:27
Black Sabbath!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 07, 2012, 23:07:15
So it looks like Rich has one of the main windows (the monster 6'x10') and he's trying to find a match for a 4x4 window that I already have. So if it works out there will be a total of 18' of glass across the front with an entrance door on the side.
 
 I finally have the building and the area around it clean. It was a bear crawling under it and dragging out everything imaginable. There were old tires and lots of window frames with broken glass, etc, etc. Spent everybit of three days under there but was able to take 2k#s to the recycler.
 (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0136.jpg)
So it looks like I'll be using a fellow farmers 26' trailer. Plan is to pull the trailer underneath the building and cut it free from the post holding her up (not quite that easy :D ). Then drive it to the pond. I have a pair of ramps that we'll back the trailer on so the building will be higher than the header system. We'll then use my tractor to pull it off the trailer and onto the header system. Should be interesting :o .
 
anyhow, I got everything squared up, marked and staked out. I decided to go ahead and do the header that will hold the deck because there won't be room between the building and the pond once the building is in place.
 
 
Cut treated 6x6s to 4' lengths and loaded them, some concrete, and a bunch of stakes and braces into the bucket. Also finally removed the snow plow and put the auger on.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0150.jpg)
 
 
All staked out:
(pond has been drained about 3' lower than normal to make work easier. It was tough to get the water down because we just experienced massive flooding (reason for the muddy water).
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0152.jpg)
 
 
Drillin holes and settin poles:
The first poles at the water's edge will have a header ontop for the deck. All the rows of poles behind that will be for the building. I set 9 poles today and have 8 more to go. Once the height of everything is established, the poles will get cut to matching height
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0169.jpg)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Mar 08, 2012, 09:55:21
Nice Troy, coming along great.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 08, 2012, 10:59:24
+1!

Wish I had the free time to head down and lend a hand or two. But we are picking up my in-laws this weekend so I'll be sure to ask what all is available.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Mar 08, 2012, 11:08:23
I don't know how I missed this, but I am on board.

Do you want a hand with anything?
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: VonYinzer on Mar 08, 2012, 12:26:53
So cool Troy. Mine work is winding down, so in a week or so I may be able to head south and lend a hand.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: bradj on Mar 08, 2012, 17:35:26
Ill help if i can and youll have me. i just found out im a pip what ever that is i dont think it contagious be cant be to carefull
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 14, 2012, 23:53:28
Appreciate the offers fellas. I hope to have the building setting on a  trailer by 7am tomorrow.We are close. My father and I have worked from  daylight to dark the past three days and we've really knocked a bunch of stuff out. Trailer is coning at 6:30a and as far as I can tell we are  ready to get the building set on it. The set back right now is we have  to drive over my emergency spill way and it is far too low for the  trailer to cross it. I spent about 3 hours moving dirt today and hardly  made a dent. Hopefully I can find some soil closer to the spill way so  things will go a little faster tomorrow. Another thing needing done is  about 5 tree stumps need cut at ground height so the trailer can cross  over them. We are expecting rain to start tomorrow around 1 so we'll be  hustling.
At the very least the building should be on the trailer tomorrow then it can be moved once we have a few consecutive dry days.


anyhow, on to the pics:
 
 
Site is all ready. All the post are now 30" deep set with 80#s concrete. The post are notched so the headers sit in the notch (headers hanging on nails on the side is a pet peeve of mine ::) ). The post in front are for the deck and are yet to be trimmed.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0257.jpg)
 
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0263.jpg)
 
 
hand dug under the building to make it level so the trailer and building will set level.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0287.jpg)
 
All the metal on the outside hung down below the facia boards. besides being pretty beat up it was not very even along the bottom. Had to trim aprox 6" around the entire building. This is not pretty.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0285.jpg)
 
 
metal blade in circular saw did a quick number. (normally I'd hand trim because heat causes the metal to lose it's coating and will cause premature rusting.) Since a little rust will probably add to the look I used the saw.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0322.jpg)
 
Trimmed
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0325.jpg)
 
The metal on front of the building trimmed. Looks better already
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0271.jpg)
 
 
The front 2x10x20 skid/header in place. There is also one on the inside sandwiching the posts.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0299.jpg)
 
 
The trailer and truck together are over 50' and since everything is on a pretty good slope, we had to create a level 'road'. Finished this up about midnight lastnight
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0307.jpg)
 
 
My dad jokes that the prevous builders spent little time and money building. Not only is the front of the building 8" wider than the back they also used what ever lumber they had laying around. Case and point: the outside ledger boards are all 6" except for a few places where they used 8" boards. Eight inches is not going to work so they all got trimmed to match the 6" boards
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0328.jpg)
 
 
We think some of the boards used for this building were from the old barn built in 1830. I know it's not possible but they seem to make a lot more dust when cut.
(The jagged metal on this side is being replaced from the metal removed from the front when we install the new windows.  Right now it has a small homemade entrance door that's falling apart. That will get closed up and a proper door put in its place)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0333.jpg)
 
 
The floors and ceilings had sags of 2 and 3" sometimes over as little as 6' spans (this is what happens when you hang crap off nails) so we jacked them as level as we could as we installed the new headers
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0336.jpg)
 
 
My father prying the new headers in place
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0350.jpg)
 
 
Time to start cutting posts
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0348.jpg)
 
 
jacks were put in place to remove some of the weight off th post so they could be cut. Luckly a couple post could be cut from outside
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0357-1.jpg)
 
Today we cut and removed 4 posts down the center. Also cut another 4 across the back side. We simply set the building back on the post stubs (hopefully they won't be like that very long). Now there's room under the building for the trailer
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0362.jpg)
A Telephone pole was used as the header down the middle (A small round pole on it's side is not strong so its now gone). It gets replaced by 2- 2x10x20' screwed together.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0360.jpg)
 
Building's center is open and ready for the trailer. All the post have been cut except the 4 on the front. We will crib and block it in order to set it down on the trailer. This is how it sits this evening
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0366.jpg)
The hold up right now is I hit a nail with the chain saw. My father did a quick sharpen but the day was fading. Plan is to start cutting stumps at 5a then move on to finishing the land bridge across the spill way. Hopefully we can get it all knocked out before the trailer arrives at 6:30. Calling for rain at 1 so we've got our fingers crossed
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0365.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Mar 15, 2012, 08:27:27
You are definitely cut from the same cloth as your pops, Troy.

I love this project. It is beautiful, my man.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Mar 15, 2012, 09:26:06
Nice work Troy and Pap!  Wish We could help but you guys work like 5 men each!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 15, 2012, 23:44:57
You are definitely cut from the same cloth as your pops, Troy.

I love this project. It is beautiful, my man.

 
 
 
 
You are definitely cut from the same cloth as your pops, Troy.
 
 I love this project. It is beautiful, my man.
 

 thanks brothers. I really appreciate the kind words. My ol man is really special to me. This project is probably just as much about our journey together as it is about the finish line. I was recently motivated by a beautiful short film posted on Le Container. If you get a few minutes it's definitely worth a watch:
http://vimeo.com/20658635 (http://vimeo.com/20658635)
   
Well, Its been one heck of a day. Started at 4:30a and i finally quit at 7p. The rain held off and the building is sitting on the trailer at the pond. The owner of the trailer is an old friend and without him we couldn't have pulled this off. WE pushed hard and worked pretty much non-stop. I hope at 70 i can do half the work of my Pap. Delbert is even older and works just as hard. He is a retired farmer and happens to be the person we purchased much of our hay equipment from. A few years back he had an accident and cut one of his arms off in a hay bailer. It was re-attached but has very limited use. He tried to return to farming but decided to retire and that's when we got into the hay business.
Dad and I started before the sun came up with a long list of things to do. Since we are working in fenced pastures we had to lock the animals in the barn and take down about 30' of fence. We cut the stumps to ground height and dad attached some braces to the headers. Since the building has to skid across the tops we didn't want to knock anything loose.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0368.jpg)
Sun up:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0371.jpg)
 
It took us about 5 hours to get to this point. The trailer just didn't want to go in. The slope gave us all the wrong angles. Took many many tries and a bunch of hand digging.
Delbert looking on:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0380.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0382.jpg)
 
lots of hand digging then lots of jacking and blocking
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0389.jpg)
 
 
The building is still sitting on the post at this point:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0392.jpg)
 
 
Happy moment. The three of us take a minute to pose for a pic right after finally getting the building down on the trailer. All the post have been cut away and removed.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0396.jpg)
 
The slope leading into the building can be seen here. After we got the trailer under it  had to be unhooked from the truck in order to jack and block it to meet the building. To get hooked back up the area where the truck's tires would hit had to be dug. There is a fairly steep bank on the lower side which also limited what could be done.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0402.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0406.jpg)
 

It's moving... The second photo down the trailer started pulling hard down the hill and the truck started sliding in the lose soil. Things started to get a little tricky
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0412.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0413.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0416.jpg)
 
Earlier in the day we had to climb these trees and cut limbs. I also lifted my dad in the tractor's bucket to trim limbs. It was super tight working our way around the trees. We ended up almost against the tree at the end (about 1/2" away). Delbert and dad somehow kept the building from hitting it but things got real slow at that point. Not seen in these photos is the tractor chained to the truck. The building trailer started pulling hard on the truck and in the lose soil the truck couldn't hold it back. Took some quick rigging ;D
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0417.jpg)
 
The truck is sitting in what was the emergency spill way. I spent about 3 hours today scrounging to find enough dirt to create a land bridge on to the dam. Ended up not being wide enough and one side ended up down off the side.  Not only this place but there were also lots of other low places along the way so we had to use what ever we could to put under tires (notice the wood just behind the trucks front tire ;D ).
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0421-1.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0422.jpg)
She is not on the headers yet but that can wait a day or three. We are in need of some much needed rest. I finished the day filling in holes where the posts for the building were so animals wouldn't break their legs. We also replace the two fences we took down earlier. next on the list is to talk to Rich about a possible road trip over the weekend ;D
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 16, 2012, 00:09:33
No problem on my end - as long as Meg isn't in labor. We don't have anything planned for the weekend so just let me know when is good for you.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 16, 2012, 00:18:21
That is awesome (Meg). To be honest I've been afraid to ask. She must be close? Things going well? I'm super super happy for the two of you.
I leaning toward Sunday. Does that work? I'll be coming alone, wonder who we can get to help load? also, any luck on a door or any other windows?
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Tim on Mar 16, 2012, 00:23:40
Thanks for sharing this with everyone Troy - inspirational on many levels.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 16, 2012, 01:18:59
She is doing ok - had some false labor Wednesday night. But the doc said it was nothing to worry about. She is about 37 and a half weeks along now, and is.......um....... not enjoying it.

Sunday shouldn't be a problem at all - I'll try and get hold of the local guys to lend a hand. And no word on the other materials yet - sorry. I will let you know if anything changes .
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Mar 16, 2012, 08:50:17
Nice work Troy, Pap, and Delbert!  Made it look easy in the pics but from the looks it was lots of hard work.  Rich, tell Meg to hold in there, it will all be worth it in the end and make sure you run out everytime she gets a weird craving ;D oh and if she gets up and decides to do some kind of major chore, be ready.  The night before Jill gave birth she mowed the lawn, 1 acre with a push mower 9 months pregant!  I couldn't stop her, she would have tore me apart.  Not 5 hours later we were off to the hospital.

Cheers
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: valvesprung on Mar 17, 2012, 16:16:58
This is am awesome project, can't wait to see it all done!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 21:59:57
Thanks for sharing this with everyone Troy - inspirational on many levels.
Very welcome Tim. I'm glad to have a place to share it!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 22:04:00
She is doing ok - had some false labor Wednesday night. But the doc said it was nothing to worry about. She is about 37 and a half weeks along now, and is.......um....... not enjoying it.

Sunday shouldn't be a problem at all - I'll try and get hold of the local guys to lend a hand. And no word on the other materials yet - sorry. I will let you know if anything changes .
I'm happy Meg held off so we could see the two of you I have to say she looked fantastic and was really glowing. I'm so happy for the two of you.
Can't thank you enough for the window!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 22:09:02
Nice work Troy, Pap, and Delbert!  Made it look easy in the pics but from the looks it was lots of hard work.  Rich, tell Meg to hold in there, it will all be worth it in the end and make sure you run out everytime she gets a weird craving ;D oh and if she gets up and decides to do some kind of major chore, be ready.  The night before Jill gave birth she mowed the lawn, 1 acre with a push mower 9 months pregant!  I couldn't stop her, she would have tore me apart.  Not 5 hours later we were off to the hospital.

Cheers
Thanks Mike. You know, looking at the pictures I couldn't believe how much they left out and how easy they made everything look.  I really enjoy the engineering part but have to admit that its taking much longer than I'd hoped. I do have to say though, everything has gone very smooth.
Excellent advice to Rich BTW!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 22:15:41
This is am awesome project, can't wait to see it all done!
Thanks man, you and me both. The finished product won't come for a while though. Once we get this to the point where we can stop we will move onto other pressing projects. Then I'll work on this one when I have time and money. For now though I really want to get the front wall with the windows done. My wife still can't see it and I'm hoping that'll help ;D
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 19, 2012, 22:17:27
Ha! Mike, I missed your post somehow.

Hold on, let me ask Meg about cutting the gra.............she said hell no.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 22:45:02
Dad and I drove to Pittsburgh yesterday to pick up the monster window. The pics didn't do justice the thing is massive! Got to see Rich and his glowing wife Meg. Even got to see Rich's bike. He did an awesome job on it and should be proud.
 
So anyhow, after a full non stop day today the building is standing above her new headers. It's all blocked up and the trailer has been removed from under. Due to the trailer's height, the center header had to be built after the trailer was removed. A floor joist had to be replace (prevous builders ran out of material and used a 2x4 :o ) so it was much easier to replace while blocked up. Tomorrow hopefully we can get the header built then lower the building into place. Might even start removing metal from the front wall. Can't wait to see that window in there!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 22:45:39
Ha! Mike, I missed your post somehow.

Hold on, let me ask Meg about cutting the gra.............she said hell no.  ;D
hahahaha
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 22:54:10
Monster Window from Rich and Meg. Can't thank you two enough! My wife, my dad and myself unloaded this monster late last night.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0490.jpg)
 
Lots of jacking and blocking so rollers could be placed between the building and the trailer
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0442.jpg)
 
Building sitting on Rollers (pieces of cut off pipe) and landscaping timbers.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0446.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0427.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0425.jpg)
 
placed a telephone pole on the headers for the end of the building to roll on once it came off the truck far enough.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0434-1.jpg)
 
 (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0438.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 23:12:53
We kept jacking and blocking the trailer until it sat about level with the headers on the ground. If not, the building rolling crooked could have rolled off to one side and upset. Anyhow, hooked a chain to the headers on each side. Was a little nervous to pull from here but the building moved very easy on the rollers
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0429.jpg)
 
Rolling the building off nice an level
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0441.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0449.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0448.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0464.jpg)
 this series of pics don't show how much time it took to get to this point. It took a tremendous amount of time to get all the rollers properly placed. Then pulling the building off was relatively easy however was pretty slow going. For instance there was very little room for the tractor to pull from so we could only pull a couple of feet before having to unhook and start again. That was ok though because it gave us time to keep an eye on everything. Mistakes could have been real bad.
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 19, 2012, 23:17:47
Once the building was in position and blocked up we pulled the trailer out
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0462.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0467.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0487.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: valvesprung on Mar 20, 2012, 01:31:03
Man that's gonna be cool
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Kanticoy on Mar 20, 2012, 01:49:52
That last pic says it all man!  Don't worry, Suz will be sleeping in there in no time!  Great work brother, and give your pops a big ol' bear hug for me.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 20, 2012, 01:58:35
Heck yeah Troy! It's starting to show it's potential now.......I'm glad you guys like that window (and it arrived to your place in one piece). What did the Mrs. say about it when she saw it? It was good to see you guys again - throw another hug in there for your dad from us.


On a side note: yes, those guys showed up after you left. So the CR60 is sold. And I'll talk to my father in law about that other stuff.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Mar 20, 2012, 09:29:41
Troy, you are an impressive man. The can do, make it happen, use what you've got approach to things is absolutely beautiful.

It is something that is disappearing from this country. You should take some of these build threads and pictures and hold seminars for today's youth. Go high school to high school showing kids what can be done with their bare hands. Get kids off their duffs and outside working/thinking/doing. Practical thinking and practical application. Yep.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Mar 20, 2012, 09:56:04
+10000000 to what Justin said.  To many kids just sit on their buts in front of something electronic and don't know how or why things get done!  They need to learn and balance the games/phones/computers with hands on hard work.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: ako on Mar 20, 2012, 10:13:20
Hahaha, You ask a kid today to help you put a stump in and he will start looking for an i-pod app for that.

Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 22:07:07
Man that's gonna be cool
Thank you. I'm hoping its cool in more ways than one ;D . If the breeze off the water the other day was any indication then we should at least be comfortable ;D
 
Heck yeah Troy! It's starting to show it's potential now.......I'm glad you guys like that window (and it arrived to your place in one piece). What did the Mrs. say about it when she saw it? It was good to see you guys again - throw another hug in there for your dad from us.


On a side note: yes, those guys showed up after you left. So the CR60 is sold. And I'll talk to my father in law about that other stuff.

The window is fantastic Rich. I called home once we were close and got Suz out of bed :o . She didn't seem to mind, I guess, but she couldn't believe we were going to try to unload the monster with just the three of us :o .
Anyhow, it was great to see you and Meg as well. Dad and I both noticed how much she is glowing and we talked about it on the way home. It's sooooo close and we're all excited for you both!
Congrates on selling the CR! That's fantastic.
If you don't mind ask you father in-law about an entrance door. Best of all it will give us a reason to get together again ;D
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 22:11:32
That last pic says it all man!  Don't worry, Suz will be sleeping in there in no time!  Great work brother, and give your pops a big ol' bear hug for me.
I dono Kiley at this point i'm not sure I'd want to sleep in there ;D . Hopefully it will start looking like something soon and I can at least show it to her. She's been working late lately and is yet to come down and check it out. I'm really hoping the windows are in and I have the floor scrubbed before she looks too close ;D
But anyhow, yeah looking at it there seems to be some real potential right?

He's over do a hug from me as well so I guess I can do a double one next time ;D
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 22:20:47
Troy, you are an impressive man. The can do, make it happen, use what you've got approach to things is absolutely beautiful.

It is something that is disappearing from this country. You should take some of these build threads and pictures and hold seminars for today's youth. Go high school to high school showing kids what can be done with their bare hands. Get kids off their duffs and outside working/thinking/doing. Practical thinking and practical application. Yep.

Justin you are much too kind man but thank you for the kind words. I do agree with trying to motivate a generation. We really have turned into a generation of consumers and its kind of sad.
To be honest though, when it comes to these kind of projects maybe I'm just to ignorant to know that I shouldn't or can't ;D . I don't know what I'm doing but love problem solving. My pops is great at figuring solutions for this kind of stuff and I guess I'm trying to follow in his foot steps. 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 22:30:36
+10000000 to what Justin said.  To many kids just sit on their buts in front of something electronic and don't know how or why things get done!  They need to learn and balance the games/phones/computers with hands on hard work.

Amen Mike! You know, maybe that's one reason I'm involved with the arts in our community. The arts really do help kids become creative thinkers, focus, problem solve, think outside the box and in general, be more aware of their surroundings. I didn't realize how important the arts are in children's lives until my children were much older. Anyhow, I guess in my own way, I'm trying to make a difference in the lives of children in our community ;D . 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: frogman on Mar 21, 2012, 22:31:45
 Maybe it's not the knowing the yes or no... or maybe it is.

Maybe it's just finding the problem and then figuring out YOUR answer... regardless what someome else says is right.

Maybe it's not setting for what is someone else's right, it's finding your own.

Whatever it is, Troy you've got it. Keep it up bud I do hope I get to meet and greet some day, you're one heck of a Guy, few and far between if you ask me.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 22:47:05
Maybe it's not the knowing the yes or no... or maybe it is.

Maybe it's just finding the problem and then figuring out YOUR answer... regardless what someome else says is right.

Maybe it's not setting for what is someone else's right, it's finding your own.

Whatever it is, Troy you've got it. Keep it up bud I do hope I get to meet and greet some day, you're one heck of a Guy, few and far between if you ask me.

Thanks brother. You know, I've spent my entire life watching my father figure out how to do stuff. Maybe not the same way another person might have done it, but quite often the end result would be the same or even better. I think that's worth something ;D .
I really apprecite the kind words. But yeah man I hope to meet you as well. I have a small list going of people on these boards I really hope to meet before my time is up ;D 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 22:55:02
So we've put in two pretty hard days but not much exciting to show for it (kind of 6 steps backward to take 1 forward sort of deal ::) ). Anyhow, I did pick up two 6' windows for the front, for $50. Came at the right time because we needed to start building the front wall and until now, we wern't set on window openings.

Yesterday we built the center header and lowered the building in place. As little as that seems, it took most of the day. We had to use two jacks and had to wiggle the building into place.
Building the center header
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0497.jpg)
 
Getting the building lowered into place. It was an extremely slow process!
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0500.jpg)
At the end of the day, all lowered into place and ready for deconstruction ;D
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0501.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 22:59:15
The building is this much out of square (the over-hanging part :o ) but soon to be fixed.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0507.jpg)

 
Started removing metal
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0511.jpg)

 
This shot shows some of the cross bracing we did on the inside for the move
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0505.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0523.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0517.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0515.jpg)
 
 
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 23:11:00
Building a temporary wall
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0519.jpg)
 

Removed metal for the end that was waaaaaaay out of square and also on the other front corner so that post could be removed as well
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0524.jpg)
 
 

Added some bracing to the temporary wall. Removed the Purlins and the posts. Time to work on making the building square. Removed the outside floor joist
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0529-2.jpg)
 

 
Pulled nails from the floor so we could cut it square
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0531.jpg)

 
Cut the floor (back to square)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0533.jpg)

 
Cut the front fascia board and headers to proper length and added new side fascia floor joist (still need to add the treated fascia end to the headers, below the building). The building is now square and ready to build on!!! In the end after the metal is back on this end it won't look much different than when we started,...other than being straight and true.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0537.jpg)
 
a little math on the top and bottom plates to figure and mark where the headers, jack studs and full studs will go. Should start to go pretty smooth from hear on out. Hopefully this weekend we'll be building the walls, adding windows and making her a little more weather tight
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0541.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Tim on Mar 21, 2012, 23:46:54
When I was at this point on rebuilding my 80 year old garage (didn't have to move it, just had to replace 2 walls while leaving the roof intact and reside the entire thing) I started wondering why I didn't build new, but then I looked up into the 80 year old rafters and plank roof and remembered.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 21, 2012, 23:54:41
Hahaha. Did the same exact thing. We really considered tearing the thing down and rebuilding it but we quickly realized that a lot of the materials wouldn't have survived.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 23, 2012, 21:09:31
Finally a few steps forward.
 Built the front wall today and got the windows in. I'm pretty happy with how strong it is. The windows have a header made of 2-2x8s sandwiching 1/2" OSb sheeting. There are 2-2x4 post and also 2 jack studs (totalling 4 -2x4s) on the side of each window
Dad building one of the shorter headers
 (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0549.jpg)
 
Headers in place.
They were nailed together then the wall was built using 3 and 4 inch decking screws. There are 3-2x4 top plates over the header and 1 plate on the bottom. Main reason for that many plates is due to spacing however,  the additional strength won't hurt ;D 
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0550.jpg)
 

 
Windows
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0552.jpg)
 
 
 
Still a lot of work to complete. I'm trying to decide on siding on the window wall. I may use metal as wainscoting then rough sawn board and batten above that? Just not sure yet??

Edit: Didn't mean to leave this one off:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0556.jpg)

 
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 24, 2012, 00:56:02
couple more
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0566.jpg)
 
Another major torrential down pour and streams of mud ran off the hill and into the pond. The poor pond's not had a break this spring
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0572.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0576.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Mar 24, 2012, 01:14:59
Looking good as always Troy! Give it some time, the pond will clear up before you know it.

Seeing that pic of your Dad hanging out the window made me think of the phrase "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".........
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Tim on Mar 24, 2012, 01:20:48
Would be an awesome place to work on a bike ;)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Mar 26, 2012, 09:15:11
Nice Troy, this is really coming a long great.  Best part is hanging with Pap while you work I bet. 

Cheers,

Mike
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 26, 2012, 10:08:06
 
Looking good as always Troy! Give it some time, the pond will clear up before you know it.

Seeing that pic of your Dad hanging out the window made me think of the phrase "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".........
Thanks Rich. I ended up putting the bottom feed overflow back on and it's really helped. It was removed for winter. The pond still has room to raise some but that can wait. Its the white pipe in the fore ground. Oh, and amen on not throwing stones ;)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0584.jpg)
 
 
Would be an awesome place to work on a bike ;)
  Agree! At the very least good winter bike storage
 
Nice Troy, this is really coming a long great.  Best part is hanging with Pap while you work I bet. 

Cheers,

Mike

Thanks Mike. And yes, you hit the nail on the head!
 
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 26, 2012, 10:11:25
Not much to report other than getting the crooked end about ready for siding. The post was reset and new purlins back on. The nails holding the roof purlins for the outside rafter had to be cut so that rafter could be pulled back in square. The roof is yet to be cut. Luckly, the outside corner post the previous builders had put in, was way out at the bottom and leaning in at the top, so the top wasn't out as bad as it was at the floor (can be seen in pic)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0588.jpg)

Even Layla enjoys a little tranquility
 
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0604.jpg) 
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: VonYinzer on Mar 26, 2012, 13:53:48
Blown away Troy. Cant wait to see it in person. You guys are an inspiration for sure.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: JRK5892 on Mar 26, 2012, 17:46:46
that looks great!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Flugtechnik on Mar 26, 2012, 19:27:36
Awesome.  It looks like the pup like the view too.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Ringo on Mar 27, 2012, 22:03:57
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0604.jpg) 

That's a really nice view.  It's looking great, Troy!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: jaderd on Mar 27, 2012, 23:08:07
awesome, just spent my lunch break reading from post one, brilliant work by a small team, have got it all done brilliantly
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: brandEn on Mar 27, 2012, 23:21:27
NICE PROJECT! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Mar 30, 2012, 23:48:13
Thanks fellas. I appreciate the kind words and I'm really glad you guys like it so far. No progress to report. Lots of other stuff getting in the way. Spent today spreading 40 tons of stone on the drive way, but the past three days I've been busy pounding fence posts and stringing Barbed wire. I needed to fence in some new pasture and thankfully, I'm about done. The new pasture happens to be on the other side of the pond so had to make a land bridge over the spill way. Planted a 12" culvert and dug up several truck loads of soil to cover it. It's about half done now and has about half a days work remaining. Anyhow, next week I hope to get back on the building and hopefully finish the siding and trim. That will be about it for a while though until funds build back up. Once that happens I can start back working on this project and I'll be sure to update the thread

Again, I really appreciate having you guys follow along. You keep me motivated So thanks!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 06, 2012, 19:23:46
Been doing farm stuff and been very sidetracked so progess has been limited until the past couple days.
Finally got the metal back on the crooked side.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0613.jpg)
 
 
Removed a couple panels on the back side and framed in and installed a 4'x4' window for cross ventilation since thgis is on the north side. Once the window was installed cut and replaced the siding
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0608.jpg)
 
 
 
Started cutting and installing the metal on the front
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0615.jpg)

(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0614.jpg)
 
 
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 06, 2012, 19:28:11
Got a little ahead of myself and started adding the rough sawn poplar trim. Hopefully finish siding and trim tomorrow on the front, then remove the little homemade door and frame in an entrance door

(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0617.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Apr 06, 2012, 20:39:25
Looking top notch as always Troy! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you about any windows.......but there's no news to report on that front.......

This little project is going to be picture perfect when finished (even more so in autumn).
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: JustinLonghorn on Apr 06, 2012, 21:59:31
I am going to sleep in there, just saying. Ha.

Seriously fantastic work, sir.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: VonYinzer on Apr 08, 2012, 20:17:53
So damn cool.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 11, 2012, 20:58:59
 
Looking top notch as always Troy! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you about any windows.......but there's no news to report on that front.......

This little project is going to be picture perfect when finished (even more so in autumn).
Thanks brother. No worries on the windows or door. Got all I need. Dad had a door stashed away that my grandfather had something to do with years ago so ended up using it.
I am going to sleep in there, just saying. Ha.

Seriously fantastic work, sir.
You know you are more than welcome anytime! We seriously need to do a get together real soon. I'm just sayin ;)
So damn cool.

Thanks Mike
 
A little update:
Crazy weather but have made some progress. Decided since I had to remove the midget door, then frame in a new door, that I'd just tear down the wall and start from scratch.
Removed the metal and started framing the door opening and removing the old perlins
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0626.jpg)
 
Fast forward...way forward....
Framed in the wall and built door jams and installed the door.
Then wrapped things back up
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0629.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 11, 2012, 21:19:37
Today was one of those kind of days that stays engrained forever. Temperatures were pretty chilly for this time of year so I decided to drag the turbo heater out. It made a nice warm place to slip into and warm up a bit. Then this afternoon the weather got nasty and snow created some white-outs. Found my self in the hammock under a horse blanket, with the heater blasting, all nice and toasty. I'm surprised I got any work done ;)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0645.jpg)
 
Luckily the snow melted about as fast as it fell so
I was able to slip out between snow showers ( and ZZZZs  ;D ;D ) and got some of the metal back on. Finished the metal on the front then moved to the side. Need to finish the side then finish all the trim. Outside is getting close...
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0658.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: andycafe on Apr 12, 2012, 04:00:20
This really is cool Troy, normally our workshops are our get away's but we end up needing to get away from our get away LOL, I have something like that on wheels. I love that your doing this with the old man, dont have that sort of relationship with mine, however my Wife does a great job of getting involved.. really is cool Andy..
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: JRK5892 on Apr 12, 2012, 16:20:57
i love how it overlooks the pond!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 23, 2012, 16:31:16
This really is cool Troy, normally our workshops are our get away's but we end up needing to get away from our get away LOL, I have something like that on wheels. I love that your doing this with the old man, dont have that sort of relationship with mine, however my Wife does a great job of getting involved.. really is cool Andy..
Thanks Andy I appreciate the kind words. I have to say your 'get-a-way' on wheels is insanely beautiful!

i love how it overlooks the pond!

Thanks Joe. I have to admit I can't wait to go to sleep there with a slight breeze blowin off the water and the frogs cherpin outside. You know the door is always open if you find yourself in the area
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 23, 2012, 16:50:13
Not had too much time to work on the cabin but I do have some progress to report.
 The place where I was buying the rough sawn poplar boards no longer carries them and I have a limited supply on hand. I need to find another source but that's going to be tough.
 This did change things because since I can't guarantee I can find matching boards I wanted to do the windows and some of the other trim in matching wood. I decided to remove the trim that was already up and rip it in two. I left the corners full 6" wide boards and the windows and door got the 3". I actually think the full 6" boards ended up being a little heavy/big for around the windows and the 3" looks better. I also finished installing the door, found some brick molding and got it installed.
 The rear corners still need trim (once I locate a wood source) as well as the areas just under the eves at the top. I also still need to cut the rafters plumb and add a fascia board but the outside is coming along

(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0680.jpg)


Started framing some walls and added some insulation
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Decided to run the studs horizontal since the wainscoting is metal panels. The metal is ribbed vertically for strength but little horizontal. The center post will be exposed all the way around the room.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Farm%20Life/DSC_0693.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Ringo on Apr 23, 2012, 16:54:22
I think the 3" trim works nicely.  Looks cold down there still!  We're baking way up north here.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 23, 2012, 17:16:36
I think the 3" trim works nicely.  Looks cold down there still!  We're baking way up north here.
Yeah I have to agree. The smaller trim looks a little better. As far as the weather goes its been crazy. We had temps during the day in the 80s and 70s in March. The month of April its been in the 30s-40s. Just today I think we dodged a winter bullet. They called for 12-18" of snow today but it's melting about as fast is it hits
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 23, 2012, 17:17:37
Saved the best for last. I decided to add a small kitchen and started looking for a vintage stove. I found one I wanted in Pennsylvania on Craigslist but the guy got wigged out because I was calling from out of state. Initially he was asking $100 then he accused me of wanting to scam him. The conversation got very weird, all the time I thought maybe he was stoned or something. Just when I was about to give I found out that the guy lived just down the road from Meg and Rich. Meg was willing to contact him and if the price was right they'd buy it for me. Guy ended up raising the price to $180 but Meg was able to talk him back to his initial asking price of $100

So they picked up the stove for me and I got to do a road trip. Best of all got to meet their new addition Elias. What a beautiful little guy he is and so lucky to have two of the best people on the planet as parents! And as always, good to see old friends...Major thanks to Rich, Meg and Elias for the help!
The stove is in fantastic shape for being over 90 years old. The outside porcelain is in fantastic shape. There are a few chipped places but for the most part the porcelain looks like the day it left the show room floor.  Most of the chrome however is rusted back to metal and the oven has a couple panels with pin holes. If I were going to put this in my house I'd probably have some of the chrome redone and remake a couple of the panels in the oven. But its going in the cabin so at this point I'm not going to worry too much about it.  For the time being we wont use the oven. Everything else on the stove seems to work. After I convert it from Natural gas to LP we'll check it over more closely.


Estate gas stove mfd between 1900-1920







Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: SwissGuy on Apr 23, 2012, 17:21:11
Awesome project, had something like this on a friends farm in Edinburgh, PA.  Can't wait to see what it looks like in the end.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 23, 2012, 17:23:17
Estate gas stove mfd 1900-1920



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Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 23, 2012, 17:27:16
Awesome project, had something like this on a friends farm in Edinburgh, PA.  Can't wait to see what it looks like in the end.

Thanks man I appreciate it! Happen to have any photos of your friends place? I'd love to see them. Maybe I could get some ideas or maybe a little inspiration.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: SwissGuy on Apr 23, 2012, 17:39:25
Thanks man I appreciate it! Happen to have any photos of your friends place? I'd love to see them. Maybe I could get some ideas or maybe a little inspiration.

I'll dig some up, although based on what you've got going on, doubt you need inspiration! I'm loving the look of the place already.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Apr 23, 2012, 17:46:53
I really appreciate the kind words. Honestly I'd love to see it. While I have a direction, its always good to get different ideas. If you can find some feel free to post em up here.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: VonYinzer on Apr 23, 2012, 18:03:01
That stove is great man. Wish I could have seen ya when you were up here grabbing it.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Apr 23, 2012, 20:54:13
That guy was strange for sure.......

I don't think I asked while you were up - how much hassle will it be to switch the gas?
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: SONIC. on Apr 23, 2012, 21:07:21
This reminds me of my cabin.
My dad pulled me out of school for a week when I was in 6th grade to build it. He said I'd learn more doing this than sitting in a classroom (he was way right)
Mine was my summer getaway when I was growing up, had bunkbeds for us kids, a wood burning stove for the winter time and an assload of fishing gear.
So so so many amazing memories from the cabin.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h298/jbrady2/P3020012_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Ghosttown on Aug 03, 2012, 12:01:44
Any updates on the sleeping quarters? I love this project!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Aug 03, 2012, 18:00:34
I was just thinking about this last night. How is that window working out? Did you figure out a way to brace it in the center to eliminate that flex?
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 03, 2012, 22:05:49
Troy is no longer posting on DTT. Probably temporary, but there may not be any updates for a good while...
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: VonYinzer on Aug 03, 2012, 22:06:28
Just didn't want anyone to think he was ignoring ya.
Title: Re: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: cyclefreak on Aug 04, 2012, 00:08:03
Probably temporary,
We certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Ghosttown on Aug 07, 2012, 11:25:05
Hope everything is okay.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: timbutterfield on Oct 19, 2012, 19:57:55
Just read this thread. Impressive project!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: 7aliveatlast7 on Nov 19, 2012, 19:23:19
wow.  i had to post so i could get updates on this thing if he ends up posting the finished product some day.  what a great project!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: rundown on Jan 27, 2013, 11:39:11
Ditto this is too cool to die.  Let us hope he posts pictures.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 27, 2013, 14:45:16
Will be back at it very soon guys I promise. The project has been simmering on the back burner taking a back seat to other projects. Not much has been done since my last post other than purchasing about 3ooo boardfeet of some really nice rough sawn pine. It had a little popular mixed in but mostly pine. Some of the boards are 15-16" wide and up to 16' long. Really stoked about that.
Dad is in the middle of updating one of his bathrooms so he probably won't be around much for the home stretch. I've made some decision about electric and plumbing. I waffled on not having electric instead it was going to have LP gas lights. Decided to wire the building for a couple lights and outlets. If I plumb water to the building it will be for limited use. I plan to have a sink in the kitchen that will be cold only for the time being (hope to build a drain back solar hot water system sometime down the road. The bathroom will be on the outside of the existing foot print attached to the back side of the building and will house a shower, sink and composting toilet. A 200' ditch will need to be dug from the barn to run the utilities. Plan is to run both water and electric but the water won't be hooked up to the building until next phase down the road.
The cabin is south facing and has plenty of solar gain in the winter. It should stay nice and toasty when the sun shines however, I hope to locate a small wood stove for days when the sun doesn't shine. That will come later as well. Right now the next step is to finish studding out the walls, rough in the wiring, insulate and finish with rough sawn walls, ceiling and floor.
 Its kind of cramped at the moment because some of the newly purchased lumber is being stored inside. So a little organizing is in order. Hopefully one day this week.


To keep everyone entertained thought I'd show some of my latest projects.
I'll post a few pics after I post this to keep from losing what's here already.
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 27, 2013, 14:51:37
First super storm sandy brought down millions of trees in our area. Luckly our house, barn and cabin were spared
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/177598_4819031360241_2140789192_o.jpg)
 
Finally got some money to put metal on the barn. WE are building it as money allows so progress has been slow. We've had tar paper on parts of the roof awaiting metal. The paper needs changed out every few months and  it's been a PITA. Been chnging tarpaper every few monts for about 4 years. The was at the tail end of the Sandy storm. No electric for about 2 weeks mae life interesting. Anyhow, weather had changed to full on winter so progress has stopped until later this spring
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/680313_4895000899432_22439765_o.jpg)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/665956_4894893376744_928945115_o.jpg)
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More on the house's hot water replumb soon. Currently Firefox clipboard stopped copy/paste so I'll need to figure out what's up before I can post pics
 
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 27, 2013, 20:44:27
You're a machine Troy.......

Don't hesitate to recruit some of us Northerners btw......my son is starting to learn to swing a hammer, so you'll have another helper. Granted, that hammer is a rattle, but all in due time......
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 27, 2013, 22:24:00
You're a machine Troy.......

Don't hesitate to recruit some of us Northerners btw......my son is starting to learn to swing a hammer, so you'll have another helper. Granted, that hammer is a rattle, but all in due time......
Hahah I love that man. My kids used to love to drive nails. I can remember boards that had so many nails you couldn't tell there was a board underneath.
And yeah man anytime anyone want's to come out I'd appreciate any help
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 27, 2013, 22:55:58
Ok like I promised here are a few pics of my latest project. We now heat our water with our woodstove. The stainless tank beside the stove was free from a neighbor. It was part of a salt water treatment system in someone's home and certified to use in a pressurized system. The tank is now being used as a storage/buffer tank that circulates heated water via thermal siphon. Once it reaches temperature a small pump kicks on and circulates that water into a second storage/buffer tank hiding inside a closet located directly behind the stainless tank. The controller is set to cooling with a sensor on the stainless tank. Once the stainless tank reaches a preset temp the circulator turns on and runs until a preset lower temperature is reached. Its actually very quiet and you don't even hear it running.
These tanks feed a third tank in the system. When running there is about 112 gal of hot water available. Anyhow, there is actually much more to the system with proper safety measures installed. I don't recommend doing this because if you don't know what your doing it can be very dangerous.

 Early numbers are very encouraging. Up to this point we have been averaging 70-75 KWH/day. We tend to use a good bit of hot water because we also use it to cycle thru our floors if the suns not shining (our house is passive solar) Anyhow, we now average 19-21 KWH/day. We should see a massive difference in our electric bill. 
Sorry for the crappy cell phone pics


(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/774897_10200382255465544_1173555362_o.jpg)

(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/773676_10200382140742676_1990173110_o.jpg)

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This photo is before I plumbed the discharge for the P/T valve for this tank. Still gives a good idea of whats going on
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/739897_10200370172363474_1575675678_o.jpg)

I dedicate the rest of the thread to finishing the cabin. Honest
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: john83 on Jan 27, 2013, 23:00:46
Looking good bro.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: 7aliveatlast7 on Jan 28, 2013, 00:17:51
my word...you are such a man's man.  i consider myself one, but i can't hold a candle to your awesomeness!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Jan 28, 2013, 11:53:13
Nice work Troy, that is just awesome.  A few batteries and a wind generator and you could almost go off grid.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 29, 2013, 02:41:56
Thanks guys.

Hey mike your correct I'm getting close. There are still some measures (life style) I need to take to lower usage even more but it takes time, planning and commitment. However, when said and done I'd like to be below 15 kw/day. That goal is one reason I was initially hesitant to wire the cabin.
Anyhow, I'm actually shooting for a micro hydro turbine. To reduce cost it would initially need to be grid tied then eventually batteries.
 A majority of the year we have more water then whats running this unit that generates 16KW/day. Check it out, it's pretty cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovLMeu0AN5w



my word...you are such a man's man.  i consider myself one, but i can't hold a candle to your awesomeness!

Haha I appreciate the kind words brother but I'm actually a softie. Here's proof: Shot this the other day on the farm. Hope I don't get my man card removed but best to come clean haha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzFHOPSDxMc

Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Jan 29, 2013, 13:53:13
That's a cool solution Troy, I forgot you had some running water close. That with some solar panels and a small wind turbine with batteries and you may get 100%.  Here if you are on grid but use 0 KWH you still pay like 40.00 a month for the privledge of being connected and if you actually send power out you get nothing for it and you pay 40.00.  Some provinces will net your bill to 0 and some will buy back your excess but here they do not. Sucks but we are starting to look at drastic reductions in power here anyway if we can.  Last months bill was 563.00, mind you we heat with electricity, have 2800 Sq feet to heat and average temps were -25.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 30, 2013, 01:20:28
Damn Mike that's outrageous. There are a lot of little things you can do that can add up to huge savings. Do you have a plug in watt meter? You use them to measure watts and amperage use of appliances. I picked one up made by Reliance Controls at Lowes for about $35.00 and worth every penny. Makes it easy to find energy hogs. For instance I was shocked to find that our computer, when operating, uses 325 watts. That's equal to 3-100 watt light bulbs and one 25. When it hibernates its half that.Still too high. I decided to put my computer on a power strip and when not in use, shut it off at the power strip. Lots of other stuff you can do as well. have you considered a pellet stove for heat? Mine uses very little electricity and pellets are pretty reasonable. Its not my only source of heat but we burn very little (so far about 15 bags this year). Justin has one now and he can probably tell ya a little more than I can. Other things are super heavy insulated curtains. Remove your screens in windows that face south for more solar gain. Pay extra attention to chalking and possible air infiltration places. Last, (or maybe could be first) a little extra insulation in the attic. Man I hope you can do something. I hate to hear about high heating and to be honest I believe cost could easily skyrocket. I almost hate to tell ya but your monthly electric total is close to my entire winter budget to heat a 4000sqft house for 8 months. I'm sure we don't see your temps but it still gets pretty cold here. Recently we've had several days with highs in the single digits If there is anything at all  I can do please don't hesitate to ask. I've been at this battle a long time.

Anyhow, We can grid tie if we purchase a special meter that can turn backwards when producing more than consumed. Last I checked the meter cost about $250 and I believe the power co pays about .04 KWH.
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: DesmoBro on Jan 30, 2013, 02:00:22
keep the good ideas flowing
It is appreciated
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 31, 2013, 01:08:10
There is info all over the net on things to do that save. I can tell you first hand that it can be done. We are still chugging along at 19-21kwh/day down from 70-75kwh/day. That's a massive difference. = A lot more money in my pocket


Moving on to the cabin yesterday I purchased enough 2x4 studs (40) to finish framing the inside. I also picked up a 125 amp service panel, enough 12-2 wire and all the boxes to rough in the wiring. Since the main service wire wont be ran until later in the spring and  I don't want to run saws and planner off 200' of extension cords running from the house, I moved the generator down. I purchased a breaker for the generator so once its wired the generator can power the service panel and power tools can simply be plugged in to the closest outlet.


This is where phase II of this project begins. As you can see she collected a little junk over winter and A little cleaning is in order.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/Applewoodfarm/cabin%20and%20kitchen%20inspiration/sleeping%20cabin/486112_10200450119842111_684470539_n_zps29dba0e9.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: 7aliveatlast7 on Jan 31, 2013, 14:58:12
can't wait to see it getting worked on again.  my wife and i packed our bags, we're all ready to move in when it's finished  ;D
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Maritime on Jan 31, 2013, 16:25:12
Thanks Troy.  We are doing most of those things as we can.   I will be doubling the attic isulation and blowing it in so it fills all the space.  We have a lot there now but it is bats.  Also we are going all digital programable t stats and thet help.  Gone almost all cfl bulbs etc.  And we have a few older appliances to change out as well.

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Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: DesmoBro on Jan 31, 2013, 17:20:27
is that a stove in the back?
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: Big Rich on Jan 31, 2013, 17:24:38
It certainly is! Troy found it locally to me. It was a STEAL!
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: DesmoBro on Jan 31, 2013, 17:41:42
that's awesome is it wood power? I love that Vintage stuff they don't make em like that anymore...
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Jan 31, 2013, 23:50:08
can't wait to see it getting worked on again.  my wife and i packed our bags, we're all ready to move in when it's finished  ;D
haha might have a little line ahead of ya but you are more than welcome anytime. That's one of the main reasons I'm building it
Title: Re: Summer sleeping quarters
Post by: troybilt on Feb 01, 2013, 00:05:19
Thanks Troy.  We are doing most of those things as we can.   I will be doubling the attic isulation and blowing it in so it fills all the space.  We have a lot there now but it is bats.  Also we are going all digital programable t stats and thet help.  Gone almost all cfl bulbs etc.  And we have a few older appliances to change out as well.

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All sounds good Mike and you should see a difference for sure. One thing you can do is go to your attic with a can or two of spray foam insulation. Follow the wiring where it leaves the attic and enters the walls. Simply fill the holes around the wires. you won't believe how much of a difference it will make. Also if you have forced air make sure all the ducts on the hot side are insulated. Same with hot water pipes. Insulation makes a massive difference and pays for itself very fast.


that's awesome is it wood power? I love that Vintage stuff they don't make em like that anymore...

They really don't. The stove is in fantastic shape for its age. Rich and his wonderful wife actually dealt with the seller for me. Without them the deal would have never happened. Anyhow, the stove is set up for natural gas but I plan to convert it to LP.