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Title: Vinyl wrap
Post by: JMar on Aug 30, 2013, 19:07:18
Has anyone here done a vinyl wrap on there bike. I'm thinking about it on my sl.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: treitz on Aug 30, 2013, 19:26:56
I vinyl wrapped my tank and tail section a couple years ago. It held pretty well and was pretty durable. I pulled it off and replaced it with paint last year because I wanted a most specific color.

I worked at a sign shop, so I had a lot of experience wrapping vinyl. It was not easy by any means. I ended up installing the vinyl on the tank in 3 sections... so I had 2 seams running the whole length of the tank.

I show how I did it in this thread: http://kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/421861-79-kz400-cafe
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: JMar on Aug 30, 2013, 19:35:12
Ok cool yea my pant job is beat and it's not original. I have wrap turn tables I customized my turntables I'm a dj so I under stand how the vinyl wrap works. Just was curious on durability and longevity. Every thing I read say the 3M stuff is real durable. I'm wanting kind of a unique look thinking about bush metal blue vinyl also using some pieces from honda repsol graphics kit. Kinda going for a modern vintage supermoto tracker look on my SL350
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: treitz on Aug 30, 2013, 19:45:43
Ya... Worth a shot.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: J-Rod10 on Aug 31, 2013, 13:41:14
I have a buddy who has a wrap on his Aventador. It's held up very well. Easy to change if you want to asbwell.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Aug 31, 2013, 21:52:40
I have the 3M black on the roof of my GTI and it has held up very well for a cpl of yrs...it has dulled out but can be rubbed out to a decent shine...
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: JMar on Sep 02, 2013, 14:39:36
Thanks for the info guys yea i am going to wrap it with the 3M vinyl just trying to pick a color now. Stuck between the dark gray matte or the brush metal blue. Just on tank side covers and headlight bucket then i have some honda repsol cbr graphics im going to work with.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Sep 03, 2013, 12:06:09
I just picked up the brushed steel for my tank. The stuff looks awesome in person. I'm impressed at the way it mimics texture and reflectivity. The 3M scotchprint is supposed to be easier to lay. My only gripe is that the company I bought it from sent me the 16" x 60" piece with the brush grain going horizontally instead of from top of tank to bottom. Thats not the fault of the vinyl tho...
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: J-Rod10 on Sep 03, 2013, 12:28:40
Thanks for the info guys yea i am going to wrap it with the 3M vinyl just trying to pick a color now. Stuck between the dark gray matte or the brush metal blue. Just on tank side covers and headlight bucket then i have some honda repsol cbr graphics im going to work with.
Blue looks great.

(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i467/ViperBaseball14/Screenshot_2013-09-02-18-14-25_1_zps24f1b988.jpg)
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Sep 03, 2013, 13:20:33
Does anybody have any pointers to lay this stuff? Ive done thick vinyl before, but it is VERY forgiving. My plan was to bondo the small dings in my tank today, and wrap tomorrow. I was reading online and 3M recommends that you do NOT apply water to the surface before laying the vinyl. Also they said not to use a torch, but to use a heat gun. Anybody have any other tips?
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: DesertKZ on Sep 03, 2013, 17:48:42
I've always used water, even with 3m stuff.  Hmm... don't know why they'd say that.  Those window tint installation kits they sell at autozone or o'reilly's work good for applying vinyl.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Sep 03, 2013, 18:35:21
Hey thanks man. I'll have to check out those kits. Sorry for hijacking the thread btw...lol
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: JMar on Sep 03, 2013, 20:37:44
No problem. I have wrapped my turn tables with the carbon fiber 3m vinyl to customize them and i was also told not to use water its not a window tint. Clean the surface with rubbing alcohol then apply the vinyl in small sections working out the wrinkles with a heat gun pulling in different directions for curved surfaces. I use a hair drier but the turn tables were flat so it laid real easy. The material is easy to work with once you heat it up just takes time to smooth out the wrinkles. I decided on the brush metal blue would look kinda unique on an old Sl.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Sep 04, 2013, 13:03:52
Oh no doubt. The blue will look nice for sure. I'm always a fan of a nice, glassy finish paint job, but I think the wrap will get me through the fall so that I can paint this winter. I've been so stoked to ride I'm about to take my 550 out with primer and bondo...
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Ichiban Moto on Sep 05, 2013, 00:30:31
This seems like a  good option. I'll keep an eye on the topic and if it goes well for you, I might try this on my gas tank  :D
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Sep 06, 2013, 01:27:09
Update: As it turns out,  it's very difficult to lay this stuff on rounded surfaces (at least for me)...all I've managed to do successfully is waste vinyl...lol
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Beaner242 on Sep 06, 2013, 11:37:45
pictures? I was thinking of doing a carbon fiber. maybe i will the the sign company do it so i cant waste it LOL
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Sep 06, 2013, 13:03:37
pictures? I was thinking of doing a carbon fiber. maybe i will the the sign company do it so i cant waste it LOL

Here's a picture of the one piece I managed to not screw up. I don't know how else to say it other than that this stuff really mimics metal in a convincing way. At least to the mostly untrained eye...or at least my eyes...
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: teazer on Sep 06, 2013, 13:30:02
There is/was an AMA pro team that used to wrap their tanks and fairings and seats. I have no idea if they are still around, but they were Safety First and back in the mid 200s, they had a team based out of Chicago and all their bodywork was vinyl wrapped for a couple of seasons.

So it can be done, but I have no idea how they did it or who supplied the wrap.  When I googled them, all I got was their Black and White scheme and no shots of the wrap turned up yet.  I think that Jordan/National Guard team also uses wrap.  Theirs is from Designstar3 according to http://23race.com/superbike.html

The web site http://www.designstar3.com/services/large-format-printing/ doesn't tell you much but might be a start for your search.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2888/9029705576_0ef6cf9e92_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: JMar on Sep 30, 2013, 22:03:45
Well haven't got any where on the bike yet after getting a few different color samples  pieces of vinyl i
 decided on a color. I also been looking into plasti dip the anthracite metallic gray just up in the air on the project.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Haligonian on Oct 06, 2013, 22:45:04
I've always used water, even with 3m stuff.  Hmm... don't know why they'd say that.  Those window tint installation kits they sell at autozone or o'reilly's work good for applying vinyl.

I work in the sign/vehicle graphics industry and vinyl wrap all the time. 3M makes many types of vinyl for specific applications. It sounds like the 3M vinyl you are talking about is their wrapping cast 1080 film. This stuff is made for wrapping cars (we buy it in 60" rolls). Some vinyls you can wet mount with a soapy water solution (1tbl spoon Sunlight dish soap, 1tbl spoon isopropyl alcohol, 1 gallon water), others are designed for only dry applications. The dry only ones have air release channels (3M calls this Comply) in the adhesive to minimize air bubbles (if you do get bubbles with this stuff, most if not all can be pushed out without pin holes). The 1080 wrapping cast has Comply and should not be applied wet (if applied wet, the wet solution will be stuck in the air release channels). The 1080 wrapping cast also has what 3M calls "Controltac" which are pressure sensitive micro beads in the adhesive (the vinyl doesn't really stick hard until you squeegee it on).

If you do try to vinyl your tank, the easiest stuff to use will be the 3M 1080 wrapping cast, but, wrapping a tank without seamming it is tricky to do. For this application, you should also use 3M tape primer on the edges of the tank (where the vinyl will end) to get extra adhesion. You will need a heat gun for stetching and shrinking the vinyl. Also, you will be better off staying away from the brushed and carbon fiber look vinyl for a seamless tank application. These are harder to apply on contoured surfaces because you can easily get a waver in the lines (a waver in the lines will have the illusion of a dent).

I hope it turns out great. I wish I was there to give you a hand, it's alot of fun.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Oct 07, 2013, 13:37:02
I wish you were here to lend a hand too! I can't complain about the quality of the vinyl. Mine was a case of a good quality product with bad quality installation. I was actually still impressed with how forgiving the stuff was in spite of me. But I think sometimes vinyl gets knocked more than it should. The bad thing about it is that the stuff can get expensive to waste, so most people just never get good with it. I think I paid like 20 bucks for the piece just large enough to do my tank, with no margin for error. Id like to give it another shot some other time tho.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Haligonian on Oct 07, 2013, 21:20:14
Here's a picture of the one piece I managed to not screw up. I don't know how else to say it other than that this stuff really mimics metal in a convincing way. At least to the mostly untrained eye...or at least my eyes...

Your panel looks great, very nice choice of colour and texture. I used that same vinyl on the upper half of our company's HHR (everything above the bodyline above the door handles [including the hood and roof]). The rest of the car was wrapped with a couple of other vinyl colours (White Aluminum Metallic and Black Metallic). You are right, it does mimic metal in a convincing way. Their carbon fiber vinyl also looks really convincing too. Don't feel too bad about about your tank application not working out. Wrapping a tank without having seams is a very tricky application (it's easier to do an entire car [including roof, bumpers, mirrors, and handles] than it is to do a seamless tank application). Again, your vinyl application on that panel looks great.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: JMar on Oct 17, 2013, 22:55:49
Well this is the progress so far on my sl350 went with plasti dip instead of vinyl wrap and slapped some graphics on it. Plasti dip is pretty sweet like how you can peal it off if you dont like or mess up. I call the bike a 72 HRC sl350 repsol
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: JMar on Oct 18, 2013, 18:55:28
finished up this morning may add some more decals down the road turned out pretty good i think.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Rider52 on Oct 18, 2013, 19:19:05
Nice job...looks great.
Rider
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Dareduc on Nov 03, 2013, 15:40:51
looks good... my buddy was just showing off his wrap this morning.... cool idea
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Sonreir on Nov 03, 2013, 15:49:52
There's always the option of hydrodipping as well:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/greenkouki/cb750/DSC_5484_zpsb52febc9.jpg)
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: o1marc on Nov 03, 2013, 20:10:46
God I love that tank, still think it's a shame you had to cover that seam.
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: 1fasgsxr on Nov 04, 2013, 10:55:32
There's always the option of hydrodipping as well:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/greenkouki/cb750/DSC_5484_zpsb52febc9.jpg)
I have a friend who just started doing this !!
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: stunner67 on Nov 14, 2013, 16:06:59
a wood look on a tank. Not sure I'm diggin that. ???
Title: Re: Vinyl wrap
Post by: Slantyface on Nov 19, 2013, 17:28:47
Im really diggin' the wood grain. From what I understand on this build he sprayed a basecoat of metallic burnt orange and dipped over that, and then cleared over the hydro? That's how its got such a nice finish. Beautiful if you ask me...