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Title: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 02:10:35
        Hello and thank you for looking,
     If your like me and like to look at something different I hope to get your interest as I take this engine/bike from Ashtray ( its primary use in the 70's ) to the driveway.
  I'll be a little slow as I have other projects to do as well , and by no means am I an expert on HRD/ Vincent for that matter. But I have been given the opportunity to do this bike for a mate.
  So here it goes
     cheers
         brt651
P.S The true driving force is to knock Swannie off his perch with his BSA Goldstar project. Ha Ha only joking. But that bike is a wonderful credit to him.
 
  Here is the engine as it arrived

Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 02:55:24
   Right side crankcase after blasting.
Has the counter bores machined to accept 600 cc Top End kits. The 2 start oil pump is installed as are all new cam and breather spindles in the timing chest. also gearbox bearings fitted.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 02:56:57
  The timing side of the right crankcase.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:01:50
  This is a poor picture sorry of a Terry Prince crankshaft.
It has a 40mm Big end pin and 30mm mainshafts. The Crankcases have been machined for larger main bearings. The main bearing bores are a bit of a weakness when using the standard 1'' mainshafts.
The "o" ring on the main bearing is to facilitate assembly. I cut it off after the bearing started in its bore.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:04:05
  This picture is a dummy run of the crank in the cases
The conrods are made by Argo Engineering In Maitland NSW Australia.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:04:48
 It fits so far
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:06:51
   Gooing up ready for final case assembly.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:08:10
   Cases assembled now with stainless studs I had made locally. Actually my mates brother is a machinist.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:14:45
   This picture is of the shift plate with its bevel installed.The STD geabox is a 4 speed. This gearbox is a Surtess 5 speed box made by Quaife.
After installing the bevel it has to be ground on the underside. the half pinion is its shifting mate. The small springs and chamfered screws are fitted to aid engine assembly.These hold the half pinion in 1st gears position when assembling the box. These parts are new and on further discussion I decided to leave them out as they have a tendency to break in service. Instead of relying on the spring you install the G40 shift shaft and hold the pinion in first gear.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:16:40
    This is the 5 speed being installed. A fiddly process. I did a couple of dummy runs before the final procedure.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:22:13
   See in the previous photo of the spanner nylon tied to hold the pinion in its assembly position?

This photo shows the gearbox installed and the G2 cover with new main bearings and seal ready to be fitted.
One thing I'll give Vincents for is that every part of the bike has a number. Which makes finding parts very useful. I know every bike would have a number. But this is a simple system. Not 9 numbers long. Each part starting with its main part of the machine. G = Gearbox E=engine and so on.

Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:25:26
  And the end plate installed
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:29:19
   The pistons are installed and so are the lower section of the 2 piece head studs.
The B series engines had a 2 piece stud. A hollow outside one which holds the cylinder head down and a inner stud that holds the UFM ( Upper frame member) mounts to the engine. Quite well made for the era. But this was done away with I believe on the next generation which is the C series.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:49:48
   As we go along you will see parts marked as HRD -Vincent or nothing.
HRD stands for Howard Raymond Davies
Vincent stands for Phil Vincent
And nothing stands for when they shipped the bikes out of the UK they didn't want them to be mistaken for H-D. Or something to that. Maybe even copyright. Not sure
   A better picture of the crank maybe?
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:52:18
   Cleaning the new 600cc cylinders before assembly.
Because of a computer crash last year I have lost some photo's. I'll keep searching.
Remember to always back up your photo's.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 03:58:42
   I new if I kept on looking I'd find another picture of the crank. I have another new one somewhere.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 04:02:01
   I'm installing Mark 5 cams to this particular engine and also to engine number 3. That's another story.
Make sure you make room for the followers in the the timing chest. As this picture shows.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 04:10:20
  Sorry for the photo's jumping around. I have just found another folder.
  This is the Quaife 5 speed
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 19, 2014, 04:14:06
    Here I'm checking the gearshift operation after installing the gearbox. You may have noticed that the front lower section of the shift housing has been cut away. This shift housing is off the second engine that goes in the Norton  ( NORVIN) frame. That's another story . The kick start section has been cut off.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: xb33bsa on Sep 19, 2014, 06:07:33
this is great !! thanks for sharing  :) i dint know they used finger followers,veery cool to see all that detail and the crank and rods are a masterpeice :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: fury413rb on Sep 19, 2014, 09:55:35
so cool - in to watch
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:09:06
  Here is the cylinders fitted and the front head installed. Almost completely
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:12:45
 A profile picture of two of the available cams for HRD Vincent engines. The one on the left (Mk 2) is a lightning cam. As in what was used in the Black Lightning. The one on the right is a Mk5 which is used with curved cam followers v's flat with the Mk2. I'll dig some out and take pictures of the differences.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:17:50
   This is the standard crank assembly with new pistons that I removed from the 3rd "C "series 1952 engine. Its gives a great view of the differences in time. One is 1952 and the previous photo's show a 2013 Crank and Pistons.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:21:17
   This shows the flat cam followers v's the curved followers in previous pictures.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:28:06
   Next up I have become quite creative with yellow outline boxes. In this photo is the valve decompression  linkage system. It took a lot of hours to get this to work. With the Mk5 cams its leaves very little room for the actuator arms to work . After careful grinding if the arms it's possible to get them to work. Hours = about 5 hours. Frustrating but worth it.
Oh by the way both heads and barrels are on now.
 
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:37:10
   The primary drive system from the ''C'' series engine . High lighted is the compensator section. It has smaller springs inside of the larger springs shown. I'll be installing this set up on engine 2. I have new springs ,chain and spring plate.
For engine one I'm using a Bob Newby belt drive. Yes I'm going to install a plate and seal to the primary side of the crankcase housing with a seal in it. I'll show that when I do it.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:41:40
   A comparison of a STD 500cc cylinder head to the new 600cc TP head. Note twin plug holes.
Also the valves have two guides. a lower and an upper. The valve rocker engages the valve at mid point. The valve spring sitting on the upper guide.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 20, 2014, 00:54:47
   This is the start of timing the cam chest. The followers have to have clearance first ,for the higher lift cams. Then all the followers need to be shimmed.
   The half time pinion on the crankshaft has 5 slots for timing. Each slot 1.5 deg different. this gear also comes in 10 different sizes. in 2 thou increments from -10 thou to + 10 thou. Why, I'm glad you asked. The idler is on a movable mount. At completion of assembly you need to have zero clearance on all the gears when cold. So start the cam gears on to the cams by 1/8th of an inch and ensure they are square. Fit both cams. Noting the cam gears aren't keyed. The idler gear has 15 deg between each tooth. install idler gear on mount and push it up into mesh. Ensuring the gears rotate freely but with out free play. Now that sounds easy right. Not so. As you tighten the 3 nuts on the idler pedestal it moves. Fast forward 2 hours. Now pick the correct half time pinion to match the the idler to have no clearance , yet free to turn. Another 2 hours on.
  I won't bore you with the rest unless you need to know. But using the crank 1.5 deg slots and the 15 degrees from the cam idler lets you get the rear cam close. Then pressing on and of the cam wheel and using a dial gauge and degree wheel you set up the rear cylinder. Then add 50 degrees and another 360 degrees and you do the front cylinder. This time you cant use the crank pinions 1.5 degree slots for adjustment as you will alter the rear cylinder. Any way 40 hours later it should look like this.

Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: jeff4uk on Sep 24, 2014, 04:57:50
Great build ,love the HRDs keep it coming
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: ProSimex on Sep 24, 2014, 10:36:48
wha..... wha..... wha...


A FREAKING VINCENT!!!!??!!!!???

Im in, this is beautiful

thank you for bringing this here
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Sep 24, 2014, 11:34:32
whata fascinating motor! must take craftmanship to reassemble that beauty!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: TessierAshpoolSA on Sep 26, 2014, 07:51:20
I really enjoyed your photo essay. Thanks for sharing your insight
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 27, 2014, 04:51:35
  The standard cam lobe is about 9mm lift I think. The new Mk5 cam is 11 mm on inlet and 10.5 mm on exhaust.
This means I needed to check rocker travel in order to see if I needed to machine anything away to give me the travel required. The new heads allow for extra travel , though I did have to modify the upper valve guide for clearance. In the following pictures you can see me checking rocker travel and also the rocker actuating on the valve. I have left out the upper valve guide for this picture.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 27, 2014, 05:11:00
   Hello,
  Here is some picture 's of the timing chest completed. sort off.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 27, 2014, 05:16:04
Hello Again,
  Firstly because I'm fitting a belt drive and secondly this was a modification done by the factory in around 1951 on the 500. I'm fitting a seal and I need a seal holder. The seal holders I have are the genuine style. But, I have a back to back Timken Taper bearings fitted to the left side of the crank. Originally it has a ball bearing outer most ( which controls crank end float) and the other three crankshaft bearings are roller type. I show the area in the photos, along with my drilling guide and seal holder. I'm not going to use this seal holder as I want it to place some pressure against the taper bearing cup and come outwards from the bearing as well. As I have more clearance with the belt drive than I would if I where to use the original chain primary drive. And since I have 2 engine with this set up I'll be getting 2 made.
   And for those that notice the orange square outline. This is a marking that is stamped into the cases. To check that they are a matched set. Very hard to see. But this unique marking is in the 2 crank halfs,primary cover ,G2 cover. I don't know what the stamping means. Maybe the bloke that assembles the engine has his own stamp?
   Well this is as far as I've got. I''ll get some more pics up as I get more done. Off to lap the pushrods in.
  Cheers
      brt651
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: VonYinzer on Sep 27, 2014, 18:06:40
Signed up. Keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Habanero52 on Sep 27, 2014, 18:16:23
What a beautiful engine!!! Great job man.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 28, 2014, 04:11:20
   Hello,
  Well  I have the Bob Newby belt drive out and measuring for new distance spacers and a new seal holder. I've been in contact with my machinist and he is up to speed. So its all go ahead.
  then I need to make a new primary cover. I have seen some out of fiberglass ,but they look a bit ordinary. It needs to be alloy and polished. Anyone have one?
  Well that means back to the timing side to finish of the push rods.
    Have a great week
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: cxman on Sep 28, 2014, 08:25:51
the timing chest on these reminds me of a pocket watch escapement wheel frame

Nice work sir nice work !
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: swan on Sep 28, 2014, 09:29:29
Wow, my new favorite thread. Great work and keep the words and images flowing.

Building a Vincent is a dream most of us will never have the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Greg-NWO on Oct 11, 2014, 14:07:49
Incredible...  thank you so much for sharing with us!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Oct 13, 2014, 02:31:33
   Finally I have the belt drive and seal housing fitted. I'm getting about slowly after a knee operation. Not much luck there. I might have to fit an electric start!
  The drilling and tapping guide worked well.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: hooligan998 on Oct 13, 2014, 04:11:45
What a great read so far.  Those are some serious shift forks on that transmission!  You won't be bending those anytime soon it seems.  Can't wait to see how the rest of this thread and this HRD/Vincent evolves!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Oct 18, 2014, 05:15:36
   Hello,
 I have been sorting out the gear change and kick-start mechanism's. I have mostly new parts for this section. The "L" shaped gear change arm needs to be drilled for lightening. Also the actuator assembly needs to be changed for the 5 speed.  I'll need to do some reading on assembly and adjustment procedures. It's tricky this part. And I have a few more boxes to look through before I have everything I need.
  Hope your all having a great week end.
     brt651
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Oct 20, 2014, 04:09:54
    Finding parts can be hard sometimes. I have 5 Vincent engines in boxes like this. And I only wanted 2 screws for the G50 plate.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Oct 20, 2014, 04:13:56
   I didn't get much done today. I have to do some machine work now to forge ahead.
Ill be dropping of some alloy covers to be polished this week. The polisher has built a 1917 Harley board racer, a 1926 Rudge speedway bike and a Harley Peashooter speedway bike. They are perfect. If you would like me to get some photo's ? Please let me know?
  cheers
P.S and not always tidy
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 20, 2014, 04:42:38
They are perfect. If you would like me to get some photo's ?

Are you kidding?

We're practically salivating already!

Crazy
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: TranceMachineVienna on Oct 21, 2014, 17:05:50
   I didn't get much done today. I have to do some machine work now to forge ahead.
Ill be dropping of some alloy covers to be polished this week. The polisher has built a 1917 Harley board racer, a 1926 Rudge speedway bike and a Harley Peashooter speedway bike. They are perfect. If you would like me to get some photo's ? Please let me know?
  cheers
P.S and not always tidy

photos!!!!plz!!!!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Oct 22, 2014, 23:07:52
   As requested
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Oct 22, 2014, 23:13:20
Did I hear you say is that the only photos you took?
 No ,here's some more
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: stroker crazy on Oct 22, 2014, 23:28:35
Beautiful!

Crazy
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Oct 30, 2014, 04:06:34
   I fitted up the carbs today to get an idea of running angle. I'm going to fit 40 mm Dellorto pumpers and they run at a maximum angle of 40 deg's. I'll measure these and see what there at.
These Amals are 1 3/8 '' and will be going on a standard head bike. The ports are much larger on these heads. You can see that maybe in the photo's.
  Cheers
  Thanks for looking.
   brt651
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: cobraace2 on Nov 01, 2014, 10:53:19
Dam I in on this great work .
Thank you for posting
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: wowbagger on Dec 03, 2014, 10:52:08
Subscribed. Can't wait for more updates.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Bozz on Dec 03, 2014, 11:13:15
Damn!
Not many of us ever get to play at your level.
Thanks a ton for sharing it with us!
Please keep us in the loop!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: canyoncarver on Dec 03, 2014, 13:32:05
great documentation of a beautiful motor. 
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: DesmoBro on Dec 03, 2014, 15:16:11
    Finding parts can be hard sometimes. I have 5 Vincent engines in boxes like this. And I only wanted 2 screws for the G50 plate.


Sounds Exciting
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: john83 on Dec 03, 2014, 19:39:11
Very cool!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: datadavid on Dec 14, 2014, 13:16:52
Love Vincents, just love them.. and getting to see the internals of one being assembled by an expert is wonderful. Keep it up!!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Dec 24, 2014, 03:31:25
 Hello Everyone,
  Just a Christmas update. I have been painting my son's house, hence the time with no pictures.
  I've fitted the UFM (Upper Frame Member) and the Head clips. The timing cover and kickstart cover are back from the polishers and I've only lightly fitted them to view,
  Well that's it for this year.
  have a Happy one and I'll catch up next year.
   Cheers
     brt651
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: High On Octane on Jan 03, 2015, 13:15:43
What a fantastic build/bike!!!  And amazing bike collection as well, did you restore all those yourself?
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buzznichols on Jan 03, 2015, 14:42:07
Subscribed.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jan 04, 2015, 19:53:26
What a fantastic build/bike!!!  And amazing bike collection as well, did you restore all those yourself?
    Hello Buzz,
  Those bikes are not mine but a friend. He restores bikes and does a great job. He's doing a BSA with a 850 Nourish engine. Looking very neat. Also he's doing a 1926 Douglas for another mate. If anyone's interested , let me know and i'll get some pictures next time I'm there.
  Cheers
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: ABCanuck on Jan 04, 2015, 20:49:53
No don't bother with the pictures.  We all hate old bikes here.....
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: danker16 on Jan 04, 2015, 23:12:07
I love this motor its so orgasmic! I saw them in person at the motorcycle show here in Toronto ON

Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: swan on Jan 11, 2015, 10:13:15
I need eye bleach. I will never be able to unsee that Vincent chopper. Why would someone do this? Seriously? Header tape. On a Vincent. Shudder. WTF?
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: datadavid on Jan 11, 2015, 10:38:31
I need eye bleach. I will never be able to unsee that Vincent chopper. Why would someone do this? Seriously? Header tape. On a Vincent. Shudder. WTF?
What? Dont you just love the irreverence of building an unrideable piece of murican chopper-crap around one of the worlds most beautiful engines?
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Duchat on Jan 13, 2015, 16:35:09
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-motorcycle-other/calgary/51-vincent-c-rapide/1044426890?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

Chop 'er up boys!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: joea on Jan 17, 2015, 12:14:42
at this time i believe there are many parts available to build a vincent no matter what you have…..brt651 should be able to confirm this.
 
great work on BSA and Vincent .you in the southern hemisphere? noticed green outside the window……
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Brodie on Jan 17, 2015, 13:48:54
Australia by the look of the power points and the century battery bar runner.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jan 17, 2015, 22:17:18
at this time i believe there are many parts available to build a vincent no matter what you have…..brt651 should be able to confirm this.
 
great work on BSA and Vincent .you in the southern hemisphere? noticed green outside the window……

  Hello joea,
  VOC Vincent Owners Club in England have every part available to build a New Vincent. Just have to have enough money to buy it all. I know the VOC built a Black Shadow from new parts and sold it on Ebay several years ago. I believe someone in New Zealand purchased the bike.

    Hello Brodie,
  You picked Aus ok , but you didn't pick up on the Caloundra Ford Care sticker which is close to you. But not near me. ha ha
    Thanks for looking.
I have hot washed the swing arms and I'll take them to be blasted and powder coated this week sometime. The Guirdraulic forks are apart and I just have to order new pins and bushes.

  Have a great week everyone.
   Cheers
    brt651
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Brodie on Jan 17, 2015, 23:29:20
Bugger, I was hopeing you would be close so I could check out the bike once it was done.

Keep up the good work mate.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Feb 21, 2015, 04:36:35
Hello Everyone,
   A bit of an update.
I have been busy of late. But here goes,
 The swing arms have been powder coated. Brake arms and main stand. I have the rear wheel, not that I'll use any of it. I have new hubs ,brake drums and will order valanced rims and S/S spokes on Monday.
  Here is some photo's.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Feb 21, 2015, 04:38:43
Don't worry about the date in the first photo. You haven't missed a year,
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Aug 02, 2015, 04:20:57
  Hello Everyone,
  I know its been a while. But I have been busy as I'm sure you all have been.
Well the swing arm is in as is the spring boxes and S/S bolts and nuts. There's a lot more here than meets the eye. I order parts on a monthly cycle. And that's why its taking so long. Any how I have another shipment due soon.
  Cheers
    Brian
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Brodie on Aug 02, 2015, 07:41:57
Looking good mate, love the fine machined parts.

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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jan 03, 2016, 02:38:33
Happy New Year everyone,
Well its still happening. I've started on the front end. The Guirdraulic forks are quite complicated. The bushes are oversize/undersized and have to be line reamed after installation. Then shimmed for clearance. I bought 2 new shocks.They don't come with bearings at the top so I had bearings fitted. I've purchased a pair of Eric Hinson race 1 1/2'' GP Amal carbs with remote bowls. Gotta love E bay. Also I ordered a new pair of 1 1/2'' Gp's. They are remaking them in the UK again under license. Also the generator was in very condition. There is a bloke in France that makes Alton's. They are an Alternator disguised as an original generator. Very well made too. I have one of them also now to fit. The blades for the forks have to be painted yet but I have another set out being polished. I think black will look better because of all the S/S parts and the alloy rims. I've also ordered a Twin leading shoe set up for the original forks.The only mudguards I could get weren't polished and as most of you would know its a  terrible job. But I'm happy so far with the first section of rear guard. Vincent's have a two piece rear guard.  Following are some photo's of what I'm up too.
Thanks for looking.  :D
Cheers
 brt651
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jan 03, 2016, 02:47:44
Front end section
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: stroker crazy on Jan 03, 2016, 03:20:30
A magnificent restoration job!

Always a pleasure to see your posts.

Crazy
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Apr 03, 2016, 05:35:42
Hello Everyone,
Thanks for looking
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Apr 03, 2016, 10:37:05
Oh boy is that beautiful.

Unubtanium for my lil hobby :-\
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: palepainter on Apr 03, 2016, 11:41:36
Ya man.  Talk about embarking on an adventure. Incredible read and build. 
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: lostboy on Apr 03, 2016, 12:05:41
That front fork is absolutely gorgeous. Very nice!


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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: dorteerts on Apr 04, 2016, 07:52:34
 :P
Pity it will be decades before any of the Vincents or the Goldie will be finished!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Jun 21, 2016, 15:44:09
Hello Again,
  Firstly because I'm fitting a belt drive and secondly this was a modification done by the factory in around 1951 on the 500. I'm fitting a seal and I need a seal holder. The seal holders I have are the genuine style. But, I have a back to back Timken Taper bearings fitted to the left side of the crank. Originally it has a ball bearing outer most ( which controls crank end float) and the other three crankshaft bearings are roller type. I show the area in the photos, along with my drilling guide and seal holder. I'm not going to use this seal holder as I want it to place some pressure against the taper bearing cup and come outwards from the bearing as well. As I have more clearance with the belt drive than I would if I where to use the original chain primary drive. And since I have 2 engine with this set up I'll be getting 2 made.
   And for those that notice the orange square outline. This is a marking that is stamped into the cases. To check that they are a matched set. Very hard to see. But this unique marking is in the 2 crank halfs,primary cover ,G2 cover. I don't know what the stamping means. Maybe the bloke that assembles the engine has his own stamp?
   Well this is as far as I've got. I''ll get some more pics up as I get more done. Off to lap the pushrods in.
  Cheers

      brt651

Hi, Working on three Vincent engines in parallel? Impressive! Good work indeed.
I will also install a pair of taper roller bearings in my Black Shadow and will omit the outer circlip as I also have a Bob Newby belt to be fitted. Thought I could use the standard seal holder from VOC Spares. Did you make your own?

Did you put the taper roller bearings in O or X arrangement? Could you advice how you came up with the width of the two distance pieces between the two bearings to get the right side play?
/ Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: goldy on Jun 23, 2016, 09:08:07
Some pretty impressive work! Again...I keep looking for the "like" button. ;)
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: 3DogNate on Jun 25, 2016, 00:16:35
man o man
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jun 26, 2016, 03:09:03
Hi, Working on three Vincent engines in parallel? Impressive! Good work indeed.
I will also install a pair of taper roller bearings in my Black Shadow and will omit the outer circlip as I also have a Bob Newby belt to be fitted. Thought I could use the standard seal holder from VOC Spares. Did you make your own?

Did you put the taper roller bearings in O or X arrangement? Could you advice how you came up with the width of the two distance pieces between the two bearings to get the right side play?
/ Patrik
Hello Patrik,
I used the VOC seal holder and had a tool for drilling and tapping made. Terry prince setup two engines with back to back taper bearings for me. He only lives 60 miles from my place.I believe Terry has fitted them in an  X arrangement. Much the same as a Harley Davidson uses on the left side of the crank.
I have just finished lacing up the rear wheel and I bought a twin leading shoe front brake set up from France.
I'm trying to make a decision on what tires to fit. I"m thinking of the Race versions of the Avon AM26's. I know they wont last long, but I don't expect to ride them much.


Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Tune-A-Fish© on Jun 26, 2016, 08:36:32
Those hubs look like rear quick change hubs... interchangeable?
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jun 26, 2016, 10:13:31
Hello T-A-F,
Both wheels are quickly detached , having a tommy bar for an axle. Easily removed by hand. The bike has two front side stands and one rear stand enabling the bike to be suspended off the ground when all three are used at once.
The rear wheel on this model has two sprockets of different sizes fitted. The idea was that when you entered the hills you would simply pull over put the bike on its stand,raise the rear third of the back mudguard as its hinged , detach the quick release brake arms,brake rods and remove the tommy axle. Reverse the wheel fit chain and adjust with the finger dial adjusters,brake rods and brake arms and off you go. While that seems easy it's assembling the wheels that is difficult. As the wheel has many parts that need assembling and eventually becomes a standalone part. I'll explain it later when I put it together and supply photos.
Thanks for your comment
Cheers
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: andrew6v on Jul 16, 2016, 08:43:30
That bike is very cool, can't wait to see the finished product.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jul 16, 2016, 08:58:10
Hello Andrew,
I'm of a similar view. I'd like to see it finished also. I just ordered a Aluminium tank and with that I have everything now but time. I'm doing the head gasket on my daughters car at the moment. I guess we all have jobs to do outside of what we like doing.
Thank you for your comment
Cheers
Brian
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Nov 07, 2016, 05:10:04
Hello Everyone,
Thank you for dropping by.
I have been busy. I've assembled both wheels hubs etc. Assembled brakes and installed the wheels. I still have a lot to do.
Cut the rear guard to fit. Modify rear stay on front guard to fit around the 4LS brake set up.
The rear wheel and handle bars only went on this week. I've ordered fast action throttles. I"m going to buy Dellorto PHM 38 mm Carbs. The Alloy tank you see isn't the first tank I ordered. It arrived all nicely painted. But unfortunately they wrapped it before the clear was dry. Never mind. Another wall hanging. It didn't fit anyway. So I asked them to send me on unpainted and no brackets fitted tank. This is the tank your looking at.Beautifully made I believe. Especially the painted tank. But then again they only charged me $38 to paint it. And Yes they are Harley Drag bars. Please look around in the photos and I believe you will see more than I have said.
Cheers
Christmas is nearly here.
Brian
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Nov 07, 2016, 05:11:24
And some more
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: goldy on Nov 07, 2016, 06:27:36
Awe inspiring...wonderful to see this old gem coming back together!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Maritime on Nov 07, 2016, 10:33:09
Nice work. looking forward to seeing it complete.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Jun 08, 2017, 07:34:59
   Hello,
  Well  I have the Bob Newby belt drive out and measuring for new distance spacers and a new seal holder. I've been in contact with my machinist and he is up to speed. So its all go ahead.
  then I need to make a new primary cover. I have seen some out of fiberglass ,but they look a bit ordinary. It needs to be alloy and polished. Anyone have one?
  Well that means back to the timing side to finish of the push rods.
    Have a great week

Hi again brt651,
Have you fitted the primary cover yet over the Bob Newby belt drive? I just tried on my Black Shadow and failed even though I have machined away the wall between the clutch and the clutch sprocket.
I have posted my project on http://www.accessnorton.com/crankcase-repair-t24312.html
BR / Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: SrgtBear on Jun 08, 2017, 19:30:31
I'm sucked into this thread.  Officially subscribed and overly excited to see this beauty come to life!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: cookiemech on Jun 09, 2017, 06:16:27
I'm sucked into this thread.  Officially subscribed and overly excited to see this beauty come to life!

You're not the only one! Glad this thread popped up.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jun 12, 2017, 03:42:47
Hi Guys,
I'm glad your enjoying this build. I've been waiting since December for clutch arm parts. I have done some assembly but not much. I'll put a picture up soon as the parts i'd been waiting for arrived on  Thursday.
I'm also looking at doing an Egli-Vincent build. I'll know more tomorrow.
Cheers
Brt651
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jun 12, 2017, 04:07:32
Hi again brt651,
Have you fitted the primary cover yet over the Bob Newby belt drive? I just tried on my Black Shadow and failed even though I have machined away the wall between the clutch and the clutch sprocket.
I have posted my project on http://www.accessnorton.com/crankcase-repair-t24312.html
BR / Patrik
Hello Patrik,
Sorry for the late reply.
I haven't covered the belt drive as yet. I'm waiting on an aftermarket clutch cover to butcher.
Ive just read your posts on the Accessnorton site. I liked it very much. Your well on your way.
Good luck with it all.
Cheers
Brt651
P.S I like your conrod protectors. I seem to have seen them somewhere else. ha ha
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Jun 12, 2017, 05:31:17
Hi Brt651,
Thanks! The conrod protectors was your idea. I read your post and copied  :)

I just came back from the Scandinavian Vincent Club Rally. I brought the engine with me in the car and had great discussions with several members. Ernst Hegeler, a German who owns a genuine Black Lightning, makes new crank cases and covers and have built a few engines with electric starter with the starter motor located where the dynamo normally sits, told me that I need to machine the inside of the cover as much as possible to make room for both clutch and belt. If I don't do that my 30mm belt won't fit under the standard primary cover even if I put the pulleys as far in as possible, unless I make a 8mm spacer between the crank case and cover. I might still need to make a thin spacer.
Another member who had managed to fit a Newby belt under a standard cover also machined the inside of the cover but before that he had the cover welded on the outside to add material. This is according to him a must to avoid using a spacer all together as there is not enough material to machine away as needed on the inside to make room for the belt.
I was also told that when putting the clutch as far in as possible the clutch shaft will need to be shorten.

So my next step is to measure as good as I can how much I can machine away on the cover and still have 2-3mm of wall thickness. If the result is that I still need to add a spacer I will probably instead go to the welder and have him add material on the outside of the cover and the smoothen it to make it look stock.
All the best / Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jun 12, 2017, 06:22:01
Hi Patrik,
Ive fitted a 40 mm belt drive. I'm going to make a spacer with using an old cover I think.
At least you woul;d have had a great day out talking Vincent's. I don't have anyone close I can chat too. Though saying that terry prince only lives 60 miles away.
Cheers
Brian
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Jun 13, 2017, 02:08:32
Hi Brian, I will use a 40mm belt on my other engine (TPV top end 92 bore and 100mm stroke). I will fit that engine in a Egli-like frame that I plan to make myself. Reading worntorns Vincent 1360 thread on accessnorton.com I'm quite certain that with a 40mm belt a spacer is always needed.
 
Yes some 60 Vincenteers attended the Rally so many discussions indeed. I'm as far away from Terry Prince as possible living in Stockholm. Both of you are really living down-under from me. No nearby Rallies during your summers?

/ Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Jun 13, 2017, 13:49:12
Hi again Brian,
Handed over the cover to the welder this morning. He will try to have it ready next week.
Will focus on fitting the gearbox the comming days. Plus figure out what I need to do to place the pulleys as far in as possible.
All the best / Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jun 14, 2017, 09:15:07
Hi Patrik,
Good luck with that. It seems a long time ago since I fitted this gearbox. I fitted a 5 speed from Quaife. I made steel spacers for the seals to run on instead of the alloy ones Bob supplies.
Cheers Brian

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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Jul 05, 2017, 12:44:00
Hi Patrik,
Good luck with that. It seems a long time ago since I fitted this gearbox. I fitted a 5 speed from Quaife. I made steel spacers for the seals to run on instead of the alloy ones Bob supplies.
Cheers Brian

Hi Brian,
I got stuck a bit with the gearbox as I realized I need to replace the bushes on the final drive shaft. Still waiting for those two pieces.

Instead I've spent hours on the Newby clutch hub and many hours on the primary cover. I have finally machined the inner end of the clutch hub to make it slide over the shaft splines and sit tight to the PD21 spacer. Shortened the splines of the clutch hub by 4mm and chamfered it so now it is almost 10 mm further in. The cover primary is now reshaped and the 30mm belt fits under it without any need of a spacer between cover and crank case. A hell of a lot work to get there.

However I needed to order a bigger crank pulley (40t instead of 36t) and a longer belt (112t instead of 110t). Waiting for these as well...

(http://i.imgur.com/TStRkUI.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/yOPCZs0.jpg)

My original cover next to the new reshaped one.

(http://i.imgur.com/MOf2xLt.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/AH0Ys5e.jpg?1)

All the best / Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jul 09, 2017, 08:15:17
Hi Patrik,
I can appreciate the time it takes to modify and make it all work. I have 3 of Bob's belt drives now. I bought extra 30 mm pulleys and belts. I like the way you have got the original primary cover to fit without a spacer. That's a lot of machining.
Keep me up too date
Cheers Brian

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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Sep 30, 2017, 04:04:43
Hi Everyone,
Well I have been busy fitting parts. I have the gear change,selector, kick start cover and gears assembled. I fitted the exhaust today. That's a nasty job but anyway.
Just have to still fit the tank brackets.
That rear guard took me nearly 50 hours all up. From polishing to making brackets fit and matching the 2 pieces together.
Not to mention all the bracing that goes under the guard plus the tail light assembly and rear stand brackets. I'm not complaining really. also you may notice I have an Egli style frame too now. Actually I bought 2 off them. But that's for another time.
Cheers
Brian
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: trek97 on Sep 30, 2017, 05:42:35
Hi, just now found and read the whole thread.  Absolutely stunning work on a very neat machine.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: 3DogNate on Oct 10, 2017, 21:42:45
Hi, just now found and read the whole thread.  Absolutely stunning work on a very neat machine.

Sick ain't it? I need more... it's been a while
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Apr 29, 2018, 02:14:11
For those of you loyal followers please don't give up hope on me finishing this one. There have been a few problems recently that have been over come and I should be full steam ahead again. I'm seeing what troubles I come up against fitting these dellorto carbs today. Looks like the tank will need to be modified. Thank you again for looking.

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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: The Limey on Apr 29, 2018, 05:16:49
Oh my days.  Full frontal porn so early in the morning!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: datadavid on May 04, 2018, 08:46:19
Looking good Brian!
I also got a bit further with my bike. Hope to get the top ends bolted on this weekend and start putting the timing side parts back again.

A picture of a the primary cover just hanging in the belt.
The outside of the pulley is now only sticking out about 17 mm (2/3").

(http://i.imgur.com/u36OzoM.jpg) (https://imgur.com/u36OzoM)

(http://i.imgur.com/L6hLuhn.jpg) (https://imgur.com/L6hLuhn)

(http://i.imgur.com/j6r3Cr6.jpg) (https://imgur.com/j6r3Cr6)
Perfect solution to the messy stock clutch.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on May 06, 2018, 04:28:02
Hello Buellingvincent ,
Glad your making headway.
The space you have looks great. I've had to make up 26 mm spacers to get clearance on the belt for now. I've ground away a lot of the primary cover also.
My next task is to remove some of the fuel tank for clearance on the front carb.
Then run the oil return lines and fuel taps and lines.
THEN think about firing it up!!!!!
I bet there are a few followers that wish I just got in and had it running. I'm keen too. ha ha
Cheers
Brian
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on May 07, 2018, 04:34:18
Thanks Brian,
You have a 40 mm wide belt if a remember. I believe that one will never fit under the cover without a spacer. I have a 30 mm belt and had to squeeze it in.

Good luck with the tank Brian!

/Patrik

Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on May 12, 2018, 10:12:14
It's coming together nicely. Good luck with the timing. All my gears are new and no timing marks. It's very time consuming. I think you will be passing me soon. I better get too it.

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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on May 18, 2018, 18:08:48
Thanks Brian,
Doing my best. Much more progress now when I don't only have to repair/modify/fix things. More fun as well.
Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: 3DogNate on May 28, 2018, 11:55:19
schwiiiing! looking good man!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: datadavid on Jun 04, 2018, 08:35:50
Holy shit its resurrecting itself!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: goldy on Jun 07, 2018, 06:40:06
WOW! You really HAVE been busy!  :)
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: datadavid on Jun 07, 2018, 07:22:47
Impressive!
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: der_nanno on Jun 07, 2018, 11:42:22
Now that is a sweet ride and thanks for all the pictures of the internals.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Popeye SXM on Jun 07, 2018, 13:22:34
Very impressive! Looks like you have been very busy. Great to here it running. Well done  :)
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: cookiemech on Jun 07, 2018, 13:46:15
Outstanding work! And it sounds good . . . :)
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Brodie on Jun 07, 2018, 15:28:23
Who's build thread is this anyway?
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: trek97 on Jun 07, 2018, 21:07:47
Who's build thread is this anyway?

Agreed, Yes it appears to be the most ANNOYING threadjacking ever.   ::)

"Buellingvincent" ought to show a little respect and START YOUR OWN thread.   :P

Of course after you delete your pics and vids from this one.  Please and Thanks   ;)
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Brodie on Jun 09, 2018, 18:39:40
We do like it. We also like BRT's bike.
Just a bit hard to follow both in one thread.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: farmer92 on Jun 09, 2018, 18:52:33
We like it so much we think it needs it’s own special place so we can bask in it’s uninterrupted glory
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: trek97 on Jun 10, 2018, 17:57:21
We like it so much we think it needs it’s own special place so we can bask in it’s uninterrupted glory
We do like it. We also like BRT's bike.
Just a bit hard to follow both in one thread.

+1 on both,  Don't delete and leave...just, move them to your own thread.  Only you can remove your posts. Well you and probably moderators/admin.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Jun 11, 2018, 10:19:14
It's coming along really well Patrik. At least your giving my followers an idea of what I should be up too. I let them down with the BSA goldstar build.  But that might be coming out to be finished off soon. And I'll be starting an Egli build soon after that. If only I could finish one project but I'm doing them for a friend and he has the financial control of what gets done. Good luck with the rally. Cheers Brian

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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: 3DogNate on Jun 11, 2018, 11:05:05
It's coming along really well Patrik. At least your giving my followers an idea of what I should be up too. I let them down with the BSA goldstar build.  But that might be coming out to be finished off soon. And I'll be starting an Egli build soon after that. If only I could finish one project but I'm doing them for a friend and he has the financial control of what gets done. Good luck with the rally. Cheers Brian

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You have control of how long his stuff sits in your shop... I'd be charging storage fees at some point if he was only trickling funds at it here and there. I get helping friends and I do it too, but there's a point of imposition that even best of friends should be aware of.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Jun 13, 2018, 06:45:26
I've moved most of my stuff to a new thread.
"Vincent Black Shadow complete engine repair, rebuild and modification"
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Apr 17, 2019, 22:34:52
Hello ,
Well finally the Vincent is off the stand and as advertised on the driveway. I've had the engine running and all is well. Unfortunately this is the end for this bike as it stands. The engine is coming out to go into the Egli frame. Wheels and suspension are here now. It's been a long time coming I guess looking back. But hopefully the Egli will be a much faster build. I thank you all for your kind comments and for having the patience to watch me work. Hopefully I won't let you down a 3rd time.
Cheers
Brian
P.S. This is not the permanent fuel tank and there is an engine to be assembled that will make this an original bike . But that will be down the track some time from now.
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Apr 18, 2019, 08:48:45
Looking good Brian!
Nice feeling to roll it out 😀
An Egli! Me too 👍🏼
Do you already have a frame?
Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Apr 18, 2019, 09:25:34
HI Patrik.
It is a great feeling to wheel it out.
Yes I have bought 3 Mcintosh Egli frames.
Anyway I'm hoping to start another thread here if they let me.
Cheers
Brian


Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on Apr 20, 2019, 05:07:27
Brian, I did not know Mcintosh still makes Egli frames. I would love to see some photos😉
For me one would be enough...
Patrik
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: brt651 on Apr 20, 2019, 09:53:58
This is a mcintosh egli style frame


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Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: Luugo86 on Apr 20, 2019, 16:42:23
some really clean braze welds there
Title: Re: 1948 HRD Vincent -Ashtray to Driveway
Post by: buellingvincent on May 04, 2019, 07:43:35
Yes indeed nice looking welds.

I checked the Philippe Guyony book about Vincents and it looks like the main difference to a traditional Egli frame is the rectangular pipe swingarm and the loops at the back of the rearframe to support the seat cowl for push starting.

Brian, are the bikes built for the road? If so how do you get them registered? Here in Europe it might be difficult.
Patrik