1974 Honda CB750 Cafe Build

[swan]

Thanks guys. Quick update with few words but lots of images for reference.  The gear change mechanism is in and the tranny shifts smoothly through all the gears. Next the cylinders block went on last night and I finished, cleaning, prepping, painting and heat treating the clutch and chain covers. New circlips for the pistons and used my high tech specialty ring compressors (two hose clamps), plenty of oil and the block went on easily on the first try. Looking more like a motor. Ordered guides and valves today.







I kept them in order when removed.


All good


new gasket, o-rings and o-rings underneath the cylinders


New circlips for the piston gudgeons



Yeah.



Polished the cover with #0000 steel wool and Mother"s Polish

Next up will be the carnage of my rotor stator cover, oil filter cover and finishing polishing my transmission cover, stay tuned...

[swan]

Quick update: Cycle X has not sent my valves and guides yet. I was told by a friend their online ordering system sucks and I need to call them tomorrow, grrr.... I removed out the bad exhaust valve guides.


The stator rotor cover was a nightmare. The bike must have been down and the were scrapes and scratches up to 1/8" deep. None of the parts motors in our shop were any better so I washed it in my fancy new parts washer





Then I hand filed, sanded with random orbit and  bench top sanders, hand sanded from 150 to 1500 grit then buffed and polished on the grinder. I got rid of most, but not all, the scars. It is much better, but not mirror perfect, but I can live with it. I repainted the black parts with Testors black model paint and a small brush. I replaced the outer screws with allen bolts because I could not find panhead (cheese) crews with a small enough diameter to fit the cover.


That's it for now.

[swan]

Cycle-X, WTF? Never again.

I have never ordered from them before but two of my friends have with one minor problem.

On January 5th I ordered a set of valve guides and 4 exhaust valves for my CB750 K4 through their website, paying with Paypal. By January 14 I heard nothing from them, no package (they are 3 hours away from me, 1 day shipping), no confirmation or tracking information. I called and although they were friendly on the phone, they blamed USPS for the loss of the package. A few hours later I get an email with a USPS tracking number. They never sent a tracking number with my original order on Jan 5 (ie. they never processed or sent my original order).

My valves and guides arrive on January 18. I get to my shop, crack a beer and sit down to work on my cylinder head and realized they sent intake valves instead of exhaust. WTF? I called and rather then return the intake valves in exchange for exhaust valves, I decided to order 4 more exhaust valves, keep the intake valves and install all new valves in my head.


Today, Jan 23  a 12" x 12" x 12" box just arrived with ONE exhaust valve. Seriously, WTF? Now I am pissed and stunned by the incompetence. I try to shop regionally and support small businesses, but I will NEVER order from Cycle-X again.  Three strikes, they are out.


My machinist has my head reading to go, waiting for valves to arrive but he is leaving the country on Monday for a few weeks. Now my engine will sit unfinished until his return. Had they sent what I originally ordered in a timely manner, my motor would be done and installed. Now my project is stalled. Cycle-X, WTF? Never again.

[bigtexan449]

sweet build, I'll follow along.   I have heard pros and cons about cycle X...looks like I will be passing on their services.

[Hoosier Daddy]

First negative I've heard but rest assured, With me the 3 strikes rule of thumb is all it takes. So deal with them only long enough to get your order straight then F-em!
 
 (I haven't been to a "Wendy's" in nearly 20 years...)

[swan]

My other three exhaust valves arrived Saturday Jan. 26th, same size box, no invoice.... My machinist left town for two weeks so my cylinder head and motor build is at a stand still.

[swan]

Update, I just got off the phone with Ken the owner of Cycle-X. He was very upset over my vendor reviews and the poor performance of his employees representing him and his business. He explained he is a mechanic first, a business person second and he has had problems with his newly upgraded online system and some of his workers. Fair enough, I understand and explained I was upset with a simple order being screwed up 4 times. He wanted to let me know he waived the cost and shipping for the three exhaust valves that recently arrived. Without an invoice in my last shipment, I did not realize he had done so. Thank you Ken for doing this and making it right. I did not ask for this, I just wanted what I ordered.

Ken was convinced I was out to "save the Honda world from his business" by "making it my mission in life" to "post bad reviews everywhere possible" and told me he would "come down Winona right now" to discuss this. Sorry to disappoint Ken, it is not my mission life to destroy you, your business or save the Honda world, again I simply wanted what I paid for in a timely manner, nothing more, nothing less, just what all customers expect.

I posted and linked this review twice on this forum and three times on the SOHC forums so other members could make an informed decision on which vendor to use. Both forums offer "vendor review" sections. I have updated all my reviews stating Cycle-X sent three valves for free to make up for their errors, (thanks again). Despite being upset over the multiple problems with and the length of my order, I kept my review factual without name calling or threats. I did not post "bad reviews everywhere possible" and explained I did not post in such places as on Yelp, Facebook, the Better Business Bureau or on any other forums, user groups or social media sites.

If Cycle-X sorts out their systemic and personnel problems, I would consider ordering from them again in the future. As stated in my initial post, I try to support small and regional businesses. Ken, if you are in Winona, you are welcome to stop by my shop, have a beer and talk old bikes.

[Hoosier Daddy]

Awwwwe, group hug.

[mikewerx]

looking good, even with the minor bumps.  Looking forward o seeing the progress

[mach]

I have a stator cover that looks as bad as yours did.  What did you fill the gouges with?  Thanks.

[Hoosier Daddy]

I have a stator cover that looks as bad as yours did.  What did you fill the gouges with?  Thanks.

Swan will tell us for sure, but I think he filed not filled... as in used a file to remove the scars.

[swan]

The scars were filed and sanded down. If it were to be painted, I would have filled it with Lab Metal.

[teazer]

Quick update: Cycle X has not sent my valves and guides yet. I was told by a friend their online ordering system sucks and I need to call them tomorrow, grrr.... I removed out the bad exhaust valve guides.

Nice job as usual.

Q: What is that tool doing there and why is the top of the guide broken off?  Is it safe to assume that you know that the head has to be really hot before the guides and pressed or knocked out and you need a special shouldered punch. Others reading the thread might not be aware of that.

It's been my experience that Honda valve guides rarely wear, so I assume that you measured them and determined they were out of spec.

[mach]

Swan will tell us for sure, but I think he filed not filled... as in used a file to remove the scars.

Funny, sad part is I read it twice to see if he mentioned what he 'filled' it with.  Reading is FUNdamental.

Thanks