Lazarus - 1975 Cl360 -(anybody got a 1.0 oversized piston?)

[johnny gaijin]

haven't gotten a chance to work on her for a while.  hopefully tomorrow after work.  no garage = no fun.

[crazypj]

Just re-red what I posted couple of days ago.
 Should have said 0.5 ohms (doh)
 Because o the way stator is wound, you will get at least one low reading and two in the 0.5 to 2 ohm range
If you treat outputs as A, B, C,  a-b, a-c, b-c, plus check any lead to ground (should be open, no continuity)

[johnny gaijin]

Just re-red what I posted couple of days ago.
 Should have said 0.5 ohms (doh)
 Because o the way stator is wound, you will get at least one low reading and two in the 0.5 to 2 ohm range
If you treat outputs as A, B, C,  a-b, a-c, b-c, plus check any lead to ground (should be open, no continuity)

yeah everything checks out on that test test then.  is it normal for the rectifier to have one low reading as well? 

[johnny gaijin]

i checked the stator while the bike was running. 
pink to yellow looked good.
pink to white looked good.
white to yellow didn't show any voltage.  is that normal or no?



any help would be much appreciated guys!

[crazypj]

If none of the leads are grounded and your getting at least 0.5 ohm resistance, you should get an output on every pair.
 Did you check meter resistance? (lead to lead)
 Mine shows about 0.2~0.3 ohms resistance in the test leads so I subtract that from readings
 Do the ground test on K/ohm scale, (unless you have auto ranging meter?) should be open circuit

[johnny gaijin]

i did the ground test and it showed no continuity.  i guess this means i need a new stator...

[crazypj]

If ground test had shown continuity you would need a new stator.
 I'll have to find a diagram of how stator is wired internally
 What rpm did you test at? should be 5,000rpm and around 70 volts

[johnny gaijin]

i don't have a tach... but i would estimate that i hit 70 volts at around 5k rpm.

why no reading on the white to yellow wires if everything else is good?

thanks for all the help by the way, this bike is my first time working on any kind of motor vehicle and what i don't know could fill volumes.

[crazypj]

You should get a reading on yellow to white or yellow to pink.
Either you had a bad connection or the stator is open internally (but, then you wouldn't get a resistance reading, or, you would get continuity to ground )
Re-check ohms readings on all 3 leads and re-check ground readings, you may have a grounding problem?
 Sorry, that's all I can think of at present

[johnny gaijin]

checking for ground i was going from the stator wires to the negative battery terminal.   is that what i should be doing?

[crazypj]

That 'should' work but I would go direct to a mounting screw on stator (remove the generator cover, it's only 3 screws)
 It may be worthwhile removing generator completely and look if there is any burning of insulation.
 You can also check all the wires and make sure they are not broken, a common complaint after chain and sprockets were fitted was wiring trapped and cut through by sprocket cover/clutch operating mechanism

[johnny gaijin]

well i got a new rectifier from oregon motorcycle parts just to rule out the easy problem and because it's supposed to work better than the stock one.  put that in.  bike still doesn't charge.  i'll have to swing by bent bike this weekend and see if i can find a new stator.

[johnny gaijin]

i'm thinking about just taking it to a shop.  i didn't mention it but around the same time (a little before) as the battery charging issue started the bike also quit idling on one cylinder.  i've adjusted the points and the valves, put in new intake boots and gaskets, made sure the carbs are clean...  at this point i think i'd rather just pay someone to fix it so i can actually ride the damn thing.

[crazypj]

To be honest, it may be your best option.
 One thing though, check it's someone who actually understands PMS charging systems and early Honda in particular.
 May need to locate a mom and pop shop although anyone with PMS system experience will be able to figure it out, will just take a little longer.
 You shouldn't 'spend' more than an hour and half though, get a firm quote

[johnny gaijin]

yeah good advice.  i've got a guy that works out of his garage that works on old bikes and scooters who i've gone to before.  the honda dealership in town wouldn't even work on bikes as old as mine.

oh and what does PMS (in this context jokers) stand for?  points magneto system?