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Author Topic: Re: CM400C Cafe Garage Build - Seat complete - New Photos  (Read 35929 times)

Offline furyphoto

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Not long after I proposed to my sweetheart in December I realized that as guys we really get the short end of the stick with the whole engagement thing.  And I got to thinking, I want an engagement ring too!  I want a little piece of bling that I can show off to my friends, and make them wish they had one.  Although I would like my ring to have two wheels, and quite a few horses.

So when I accidentally came across a CM400 Classic in pretty good shape for $350 I proposed to myself a little project!  And, for about one "zero" less than a diamond ring there were no real complaints from the soon to be boss.

So for this build (my first), the code name is "My Precious!"

Here she is:


when I picked her up


As she sits now in my back yard

I'm not planning a huge build project, just some tinkering, and a bit of stylizing for a fun around town daily ride that turns the occasional head.

I am planning to build in three phases

Phase I - Get her running smooth

When I picked it up, she wouldn't start, but a bit of battery maintenance, and some new gas and she sparked up without much trouble on a cold February afternoon.  She blows a bit of smoke, and there are some noises, so some work is in order.

A top end rebuild is the first step.  Waiting for me at the Shipping Depot in Blaine, WA are rings, gaskets, valve seals, new plugs and filters, and tires, and a few needed tools I don't own.  I will zip across the border and pick them up in a couple of days.  Parts are definitely cheaper, and more readily available in the USA.  My US post box and NEXUS trusted traveler card make shipping and collecting parts a breeze.

Phase II - Style it up

I am planning to give it a custom Cafe look with some simple changes:
- New Bars
- Custom Seat
- Chop the rear fender and frame a bit
- Smaller turn signals
- Lower front end a bit
- New Paint

Phase III - Touch it up

- remove airbox and re-jet carbs
- move electronics to open up the frame
- replace Bulky lead acid battery with a teeny weeny A123 LiIon pack
- shorten and tidy wires
- move ignition switch and starter button to under the seat
- maybe rear sets
- pipe wrap (hate if you want to, I like the look)

All along I would like to keep it in reasonably rideable shape throughout the process.  This is more of a fun living project, than a hard core custom build, so I want to be able to go get groceries, or go to the post office throughout the build.

Wish me luck, and harass me if I forget to update the thread!

-Cheers,

Andrew
« Last Edit: Jul 09, 2014, 15:10:24 by furyphoto »
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CM400C Cafe Garage Build thread http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=35160.0

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Offline jbrtwork

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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #1 on: Mar 20, 2012, 01:47:43 »
That's a good looking $350 bike!
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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #2 on: Mar 20, 2012, 02:10:23 »
beautiful bike. congratulations. i love the original paint on the tank, seems to be in good nick also. imagine a fully flared badass cafe with a sweet original tank. i would think about it long and hard before re-painting that tank.

Offline furyphoto

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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #3 on: Mar 20, 2012, 14:18:01 »
beautiful bike. congratulations. i love the original paint on the tank, seems to be in good nick also. imagine a fully flared badass cafe with a sweet original tank. i would think about it long and hard before re-painting that tank.

I is in pretty good shape, high km though, 78,000!  Apparently it was from Germany originally, got imported into the US, and them moved to Canada, so it has seen a good chunk of the world, which I think is pretty neat.

The tank is not quite as good as it looks, a couple of good "to the metal" dings in it that don't really show in the photos.  If it was pristine I would have a hard time even thinking about painting it.  Paint in not first on the agenda anyway, so I'll think about it.

ALSO,  I open to suggestions and sample Photoshop chops (PhotoChops  8) ).  Especially regarding the seat and tail.

If you want to offer and idea, you can download the high res photo here:

http://www.andrewdoran.com/proofs/MyPrecious/ADsCM400C-PhotoChopMe.JPG
Andrew

CM400C Cafe Garage Build thread http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=35160.0

My ElMoto Project "Electric Hurricane" - 1987 Honda CBR600 F1
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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #4 on: Mar 20, 2012, 14:40:24 »
One huge way to loose weight is to remove the cast iron crossover pipe under the motor, only thing is it is your muffler, the pipes are hollow.  I weighed mine and it was 25lbs of rusty metal  well worht the loss, but I now need to get better mufflers as it is a bit too loud.  Clymers can be had free online for these and help you out. Most of the parts from the 78-86 CM/CB 400-450's will interchange except a few like CM - CB shocks are different, and some of the rebel engine parts are unique.  be careful with the right carb running lean from crud build up as it can toast a piston....ask me how I know and a few others on here have found out.  Pretty easy to work on.  CDI handles ignition timing and keeping the timing chain tension proper will keep it running a long time. Valve adjustments are a snap, screw driver, wrench and a proper set of feelers and you can do them in about an hour.  As for the seat, there are some really good ones done on here and some (Like Mine) that are just ok and others that miss the boat completely. Not an easy frame for cafe and if you go more of a brat or tracker it can be easier and look alright.  I paid 650 for mine in half as good of condition, I have ridden it 20,000 KM since and 2-up on some 400-500 km trips with my wife and fully saddlebaged and tnak bag so they can take a beating.

Cheers,

Maritime
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Offline furyphoto

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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #5 on: Mar 22, 2012, 02:22:01 »
PARTS DAY - YEAAAAH!!

It's like Christmas!  Parts arrived from all over the USA today!


look at all them packages!


Even the dog can't wait to open them


Doesn't look like so much with out the packaging

What I got...
-Full Gasket kit with valve seals and exhaust bushings
-new oil filters - 3 was a better price than one, and they 'll need changing eventually
-new plugs, & a spare set cause they are so cheap
-Oil filter cover o-ring
-carb bowl gaskets, came in a pack of 4
-air filter
-new piston rings
-lapping compound
-valve lapping tool
-compression tester
-valve spring compressor
-new feeler gauges  (a quick valve adjustment tomorrow to try and eliminate some knocking noises)
-torque wrench (long overdue!)
-some bits for my xlr250 which is unfortunately on the auction block: plug, filter, fork boots
-New Rubber

Total for everything, just under $325, including all shipping costs.

I figured some people might have questions about the tires, there are not many options out there for the sizes of the cm400c stock rims.  I decided to go for the Vee Rubber for my first set.
I really love the tread on the front tire, unfortunately they don't have a really similar one for the back.  I got the closest one they had.


New Vee Rubber - Rear (L) and Front (R)

I ended up with the VRM-191    100/90-18 for the front, and the VRM-192  120/90-16 for the rear.  It's really the Vee's or the Kenda Challengers if you want a matching set for this bike with the stock rims, and I didn't really like the look of the Kenda's.  I really dig the flat knobby look of the VRM-191, and for this around town rider project inexpensive tires will do the trick.  Total was $125 for both tires including shipping from, Cedar Rapids Tire (.com) They even called to make sure I wasn't being defrauded because my billing and shipping addresses were different.  Great Guys, and the best price I found by a long shot!

Now all I have to find is time to put all of this stuff on the bike!
« Last Edit: Mar 22, 2012, 02:28:52 by furyphoto »
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CM400C Cafe Garage Build thread http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=35160.0

My ElMoto Project "Electric Hurricane" - 1987 Honda CBR600 F1
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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #6 on: Mar 22, 2012, 08:48:26 »
don't try to eliminate the valve noise, not comletely.  These are valve noisey engines. If you make them too quiet you will toast your valves.  Just get the specs from the manual and expect there to be some clicky clack at idle.  Nice parts load.  Those tires will be ok, but you can get Avons in the right sizes and they are better, keep in mind for next time.  Make sure you follow the directional arrow on the front tire, I had the same one on my bike and it was mounted backwards and was a pain to change around.  The direction is for rain, have it on wrong and the rain goes right at the back tire.  Have fun tearing into her!

Cheers,

Maritime
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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #7 on: Mar 22, 2012, 08:50:02 »
oh yeah, that valve spring compressor doesn't work on this style head.  You need the one that looks like a c-clamp to get the springs back on.  To get them off, just use a socket and a rubber mallet.
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Re: My Precious - CM400C Cafe(ish) - first build
« Reply #8 on: Apr 02, 2012, 02:20:21 »
I wasn't planning on replacing the battery so soon, but the old lead acid just would not hold a charge.  It was almost dry when I received it, so the PO did not do any battery maintenance.  I filled it up with distilled water, and let it trickle charge for 4 days.  It started the bike in a strong fashion, but a couple of days later would not turn over.

Perhaps some fresh acid might do the trick, but instead I slapped in a small 4 cell A123 battery pack I threw together from some old RC helicopter packs I had kicking around my office.

Worked a treat, but this pack is just temporary.  I will likely reconfigure it for hiding out of the way after the Airbox is removed.

Check it out.



PS Bonus points if you can tell me what the loud engine ticking noise is!  I am planning a top end rebuild very soon, and of course a tune up.
« Last Edit: Apr 02, 2012, 02:31:02 by furyphoto »
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CM400C Cafe Garage Build thread http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=35160.0

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« Reply #9 on: Apr 26, 2012, 01:39:53 »
How many hours is it possible to look at motorcycles on the internet?  :o my brain hurts!

Here is an idea I am refining, let me know what you think.  I never would have come up with this colour on my own, but I saw it on another bike, and it is growing on me.

It would be in a semi-flat finish I think.

« Last Edit: Apr 26, 2012, 01:45:28 by furyphoto »
Andrew

CM400C Cafe Garage Build thread http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=35160.0

My ElMoto Project "Electric Hurricane" - 1987 Honda CBR600 F1
http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?2619-Electric-Hurricane-1987-CBR600-F1-Conversion

My Photography Website http://www.andrewdoran.com