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Author Topic: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™  (Read 26987 times)

Offline Sonreir™

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1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« on: Jun 30, 2012, 20:30:29 »
OK...  I've decided to put an end to my old thread and start a new one as I consider the first part of the project done and the bike is riding and running well.

If you haven't read the thread for stage one, you can find it here: http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=19672

Stage Two™ is going to mainly consist of fixing anything that didn't quite work out from stage one as well as some general improvements.  I'm approaching this stage with two extra years of experience I didn't have at the beginning of my first stage and I've spent some time thinking and planning.

I kinda wanted to keep you all in suspense as to what I had planned, but I decided against it.  Hopefully it will be just as interesting to know up front and then see it come to realization.  I know it will for me, anyway...

Stage Two™ Improvements (in rough order)
  • General fixes I deem necessary after running the bike for a while after the completion of stage one.
  • Replacement of the analog speedometer with a digital computer with all-in-one speedo/tach/temps sensors, etc
  • Racing style vent for the gas tank Done
  • Removal of stock foot controls and replacement with rearsets - '88 FZR rearsets ordered from eBay for $40
  • Upgrade to the charging system in order to allow use of more electrical gadgetry
  • External oiling system (including cooler) for the cam journals
  • Upgraded suspension both front and rear
  • Venting for the front and rear drum brakes
  • Replacement of stock steel wheels with shouldered aluminum rims
« Last Edit: Jul 25, 2012, 20:37:01 by Sonreir »
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Offline Sonreir™

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #1 on: Jun 30, 2012, 21:00:23 »
OK... first problem to deal with... Remove those zip ties holding my battery in place and get something better and more permanent.

Enter $2 leather belt from Goodwill.

First up, cut said belt into pieces and rivet to my electronics tray:


Next, strap the battery into place using the plastic clasp that came with the belt:


Finally, use a brass clasp (riveted to the belt) to finish things up.  A spare bit of metal left from one of the rivets serves as a pin to keep the clasp from opening:


Though not shown in this pic, I went back and put the wires under the first belt section to help keep some tension off of the terminals.
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Offline axeugene27

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #2 on: Jun 30, 2012, 21:04:52 »
A humble suggestion I simply bought industrial velcro straps from lowes. and put a couple thick cuts into the pan and laced it through them and around the battery.. You couldn't rip that battery off the pan.
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Offline DoTheJon

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #3 on: Jun 30, 2012, 21:07:34 »
cool man, i'm tuned in
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Offline pandknz

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #4 on: Jun 30, 2012, 22:40:34 »
How is the Battery for height? I think I will do a similar thing but I will use a sealed gel battery and lay it on its side.

Offline Swapmeet Louie

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #5 on: Jun 30, 2012, 22:51:03 »
How is the Battery for height? I think I will do a similar thing but I will use a sealed gel battery and lay it on its side.

That "is" a sealed battery. He can run that anyway but upside down.
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Offline 3DogNate

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1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #6 on: Jul 01, 2012, 00:37:08 »
Interested in your speed/tach choice if you've already done your research. I'm heading in that direction also, the digital gauge is One of those things I keep coming back to.

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #7 on: Jul 01, 2012, 02:05:49 »
I'm currently working on getting onto the supplier's list for a company called TrailTech.  They make a lot of gear (mostly for offroad use) and they have a couple of computers that act as speedos and tachometers as well as other functions.

I have one of these on the way to me:
http://trailtech.net/vapor.html

Hoping to resell some at around $110 (includes shipping) once I get the details worked out.
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Offline DoTheJon

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #8 on: Jul 01, 2012, 08:28:12 »
I'm currently working on getting onto the supplier's list for a company called TrailTech.  They make a lot of gear (mostly for offroad use) and they have a couple of computers that act as speedos and tachometers as well as other functions.

I have one of these on the way to me:
http://trailtech.net/vapor.html

Hoping to resell some at around $110 (includes shipping) once I get the details worked out.
i ran the vapor on my ducati monster, it worked pretty good youll like it.
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Offline 3DogNate

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1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #9 on: Jul 01, 2012, 11:48:21 »
The vapor looks pretty cool, i might be down for one of those. I like that it doesn't have a bunch of indicators that we don't need (fuel level, coolant temp, oil pressure, oil temp) but you can add the indicator dashboard to get them.

Unfortunately there are a ton of super cool digital speed/tach combos for V-twins that only go to 8k on the tach...

I keep coming back to this guy too.

Koso DB-01R

http://www.amazon.com/Koso-Multi-Function-Electronic-Speedometer-BA018B00/dp/B0022XS6K4

Offline axeugene27

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #10 on: Jul 01, 2012, 16:08:04 »
i am surprised that with all the performance upgrades you aren't going to go for some disc brakes.
72cb350 barn burner build http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=37654.20
TITAN http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=53037.msg600706#msg600706
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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #11 on: Jul 01, 2012, 18:47:49 »
I probably will at some point, just not for this stage.  The front drum is adquate for now, especially after losing 70 pounds from the bike during the first part of the build.  The venting should help keep fade at bay.
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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #12 on: Jul 02, 2012, 22:51:24 »
New gas tank venting system to help with fuel flow. I tapped the fuel cap and screwed in the one brass barb and the other (on the triple tree acorn nut) is silver soldered.

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #13 on: Jul 03, 2012, 22:49:31 »
I got out for a 15 mile ride this afternoon.  Bike felt great but I'm still getting used to this cam and gearing combo.  The engine feels like it's loafing in 5th at 50mph.  You crack the throttle and nothing. I had to downshift into 3rd to get any acceleration but it had that in spades once I raised the RPMs.  I brought it up to 70 in 3rd and the bike just felt so eager.

Attached are pics of the plugs after my jaunt.  Not really a chop as I wasn't holding the RPMs at any given point, but you guys are free to weigh in with opinions.  They look a little dark to me.  I'm under the impression that unleaded fuel burns cleaner than the old leaded stuff so I should be looking for a very, very light tan.

On the downside, I'm leaking oil (yes, again, dammit) from the head gasket on the right side and so I'll need to take it apart (yes, again, dammit).  I think the culprit is the uneven milling I got the from the machinist so it'll probably go back to him so he has an opportunity to correct his mistake.
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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #14 on: Jul 03, 2012, 23:21:41 »
Shot of the head after the milling, for reference...



The visible scratch does correspond to the point at which the oil is leaking.  Copper head gaskets are not forgiving.
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1976 Puch Maxi - APuchalypse Now

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