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Author Topic: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™  (Read 7899 times)

Offline kopcicle

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #30 on: Jul 28, 2012, 16:40:10 »
Still paying attention Matt .
It is possible to unwind two stator cores and combine the laminations to make a thicker core that you can then wind with slightly thicker wire for more current . I've done it . Trouble is I did it twice before I sent it off to Custom rewind and had Gary get it right . Seems that not only do the windings have to all be going the same direction but you have to avoid sharp bends as well as contact with the core . A serious high temperature , flexible , epoxy or polymer insulation is required on the stator and the wire .

The rest is spacing the thicker core so it doesn't hit the rotor . You would be surprised how far the magnetic field extends from the rotor . You can have 30-40% of a thicker stator  out past the rotor and still get significant gains . I didn't know it at the time but when I finally gave in and had Gary do the work he let me know that there were several ZN1300's that had gone before me .

Having Gary or Rick's rewind for you is a bit of a no brainer . After applying 268 turns of magnet wire twice only to have it fail . Then again maybe you are less of a wire winding moron than I am . Since I'm Oh for Two it wouldn't be hard

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Offline ducatiboy

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #31 on: Jul 29, 2012, 08:38:01 »
A little off topic here Sonreir but I have to say that I always thought you had the best little sayings at the bottom of each of your posts. That is until today when I read Kopcicle's ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Offline Sonreir

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #32 on: Aug 05, 2012, 00:19:11 »
So my rearsets arrived in the mail this week.  I finally got some time to tear into them and clean them up a bit.  They're from an 1988 FZR 400.

I sanded them down (including the casting marks) and gave them a light polish.  Before and after shots of the brake lever, here:





As for actually fitting them onto the bike, I haven't figured out how to do that just yet.  Anyone have any suggestions?  The right side is definitely going to give me problems.  No idea how to get my kick start to clear the brake lever just yet.  Also... what is the little aluminum guard thing for?  It would seem easier to mount in this first pic, but the second pic might have better ergonomics.... your guys' thoughts?





And here's a quick shot of the left side.  Shift lever from the rearsets hooked right into the stock shaft, so that's always nice.

« Last Edit: Aug 05, 2012, 11:07:04 by Sonreir »
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Offline ducatiboy

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #33 on: Aug 05, 2012, 07:09:32 »
I imagine the guard is to stop the heel of your boot rubbing against the tyre? Maybe the FZR400 has wider rubber back there. Or maybe an exhaust pipe that might burn your boot?
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Online ronnie

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #34 on: Aug 05, 2012, 09:07:16 »
I'm sticking around for this one..

A light polish? I would love to see a good polish!
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Offline Sonreir

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #35 on: Aug 05, 2012, 11:04:46 »
This is a good polish:


Still not "show quality", though.  No point in doing that on a bike that will be ridden.
1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage One™, Café SOS - Stage Two™
1982 Honda CB750C - Project Zoidberg
1963 Yamaha YDS3
1973 Suzuki T500
1982 Yamaha Seca XJ750R

Custom Gauge Graphics
Custom Wiring Harnesses

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.  - Carl Sagan

Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Whether or not you can never be great at something, you can always become better at it.  -Neil deGrasse Tyson

Basically, it comes down to this, do you know what your doing?  If not, forget about what you want and do what your told (sucks but that's life)  -crazypj

Offline 3DogNate

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #36 on: Aug 05, 2012, 11:50:34 »
This is a good polish:
Still not "show quality", though.  No point in doing that on a bike that will be ridden.

Yeah, definitly  a difference between a good polish and what a trailer queen would recieve. But then again Aluminum oxidizes sooo quick, you have to really stay on top of show quality polishes on bare aluminum. Otherwise they just look like "good" polishes in a matter of days.

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #37 on: Aug 05, 2012, 12:14:15 »
Ahh, i see... Yea, I would rather brushed haha! Or painted, I"m low maintenance kinda guy!
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Offline Sonreir

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #38 on: Aug 08, 2012, 20:06:28 »
I'm thinking I may shave off those guard things.  They don't seem to serve a purpose on my build and they look a bit too flashy.
1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage One™, Café SOS - Stage Two™
1982 Honda CB750C - Project Zoidberg
1963 Yamaha YDS3
1973 Suzuki T500
1982 Yamaha Seca XJ750R

Custom Gauge Graphics
Custom Wiring Harnesses

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.  - Carl Sagan

Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Whether or not you can never be great at something, you can always become better at it.  -Neil deGrasse Tyson

Basically, it comes down to this, do you know what your doing?  If not, forget about what you want and do what your told (sucks but that's life)  -crazypj

Offline axeugene27

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #39 on: Aug 08, 2012, 21:05:49 »
i'd keep the guards like a mini chain guard to stop your shoe laces from getting caught up. Those sets look great man Interested to see you you get em mounted. I was thinking of getting some rocket ones too as the universals well look like universals.  and raasks are like 3 bills.
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Offline axeugene27

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #40 on: Aug 08, 2012, 21:07:33 »
BTW i think your bike is sporty and the guards fit with the asthetic.
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Offline Sonreir

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #41 on: Aug 11, 2012, 22:58:29 »
OK... I've fabbed up a mount for the left rearset.  I don't have a lot of tools, but I do have an angle grinder and some 3/16" plate steel.  It should be strong enough.  I'm going to try to braze it, first.  If that doesn't pan out, I'll weld.

I still need to hit up the hardware store for the top mounting bolt and acorn nut and I'll paint the mount red after I get it attached to the frame.

1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage One™, Café SOS - Stage Two™
1982 Honda CB750C - Project Zoidberg
1963 Yamaha YDS3
1973 Suzuki T500
1982 Yamaha Seca XJ750R

Custom Gauge Graphics
Custom Wiring Harnesses

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.  - Carl Sagan

Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Whether or not you can never be great at something, you can always become better at it.  -Neil deGrasse Tyson

Basically, it comes down to this, do you know what your doing?  If not, forget about what you want and do what your told (sucks but that's life)  -crazypj

Offline Sonreir

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #42 on: Aug 16, 2012, 22:20:28 »
The head is back from the (new) machinist. The surfaces have been cleaned up and the angles within the combustion chambers now match the pistons.

Time for another dry assembly to check clearances.

1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage One™, Café SOS - Stage Two™
1982 Honda CB750C - Project Zoidberg
1963 Yamaha YDS3
1973 Suzuki T500
1982 Yamaha Seca XJ750R

Custom Gauge Graphics
Custom Wiring Harnesses

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.  - Carl Sagan

Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Whether or not you can never be great at something, you can always become better at it.  -Neil deGrasse Tyson

Basically, it comes down to this, do you know what your doing?  If not, forget about what you want and do what your told (sucks but that's life)  -crazypj

Offline 3DogNate

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #43 on: Aug 16, 2012, 23:25:42 »
That looks sooo much better than the last head.. wish you luch with your clearances.

Offline pandknz

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Re: 1977 Honda CJ360 - Café SOS - Stage Two™
« Reply #44 on: Aug 17, 2012, 04:00:26 »
Agree, that looks way better, did they use a mill? very clean

anychance of a pick down the can chain guide before you put the head on? its for my bike that I want this info, I want to know how close the straight guide runs next to the chain?

hope the motor goes together better this time