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Author Topic: Something different here (MT250 inside)  (Read 2025 times)

Offline Master_Spazez

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Something different here (MT250 inside)
« on: Nov 23, 2012, 13:28:11 »
So I'e been interested in cafe racers and vintage bike about as long as I've loved classic Japanese cars. So I finally ran across a cheap enough old Honda that I thought was interesting. It is a 1973 MT250 Elsinore (wait, a 2-stroke enduro?). I figure since I've never rode a bike before it would be a good project and since its small and light, a good learning bike.

Anyway the plans for it are as follows:
- Get it running
- Convert to 12v
- Get a title
- Lower it/repaint/different tank, seat, front fender (ditch the rear fender completely)
- Paint it (the tank/battery cover/front fender) red with a shit ton of flake
- Clubman bars (don't want to commit to full clip-ons because I'm a big puss, etc etc.


Not what you'd expect for a cafe project! I figure it should be a cool project for my first bike.
« Last Edit: Nov 23, 2012, 13:38:13 by Master_Spazez »

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #1 on: Nov 24, 2012, 10:16:02 »
Sounds like a good plan on that there bike ! But why lower it ? Would be a fun lil tracker I bet !

Offline Master_Spazez

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #2 on: Nov 24, 2012, 10:50:56 »
I like low things haha. See my car:



Anyway I got it running last night (for the first time since the 80's!) the thing runs perfect, I didn't have to touch the carb aside from cleaning it, but the clutch kinda sticks and it slips bad. Second gear is destroyed also. But I didn't crash into anything and it starts up first kick! Still needing a new ignition/key and battery and everything should work properly. Today I'll tear into the clutch and see if I can't get it to grab all the way. I found a new gearset and that should be here next week

Offline Master_Spazez

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #3 on: Nov 24, 2012, 23:32:40 »
Well the clutch lever was sticking so I pulled it out, turns out pieces of second gear had wedged themselves against it, so tomorrow I will crack the engine open and clean it all out really good and just look at all the internals. So because of that I will strip the whole thing and paint the frame with some semi-gloss black. Maybe strip the tank and hit it with some red. Definitely clean the rust off of the wheels while I'm at it.


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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #4 on: Nov 25, 2012, 00:00:45 »
While you've got the engine apart it wouldn't hurt to replace all internal seals.

I don't know anything about the Elsinore, but it's a two-stroke and Steve McQueen rode one:



That's good enough for me!

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Offline Master_Spazez

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #5 on: Nov 28, 2012, 01:13:37 »
I cracked that engine open and decided it wasn't worth the money in a new clutch gearset, gasket set, and bearings, as well as the machine shop work it would take to get the broken teeth out of the clutch lever hole and I found a running engine on eBay for just under $300 that I could just drop in. I also started stripping the frame of rust to prep it for paint. my real concern with the whole thing is making a new exhaust. I want it to make power in the middle of the rev range since it will be used around town at speeds under 70mph. I saw this kit online at AJS Motorcycles that is a weld your own deal and I could tack on a megaphone because I just love old Japanese bikes with a megaphone on them.



In my mind no Japanese bike looks complete without them. I also found a little motorcycle salvage yard down the street where I can get a front fender as well as a nice-looking megaphone.

The real problem still remains at getting a title by springtime next year.

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #6 on: Nov 28, 2012, 01:57:24 »
I like low things haha. See my car:

I realize you may have been joking there, but a bike is not a car and as much as cars handle better when lowered, bikes don't.

And it's a two stroke so it needs a tuned pipe to work.  With a megaphone I'll be able to hear you from several states away but the bike will be barely able to get out of its own way.

Cool bike BTW.

I'd suggest get a title first and then make a decent tracker or retro MX or retro Motard type bike.  It's a light, fiesty 2 smoke and the world needs more of them running and scaring dogs children and old ladies. :-)

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #7 on: Nov 28, 2012, 02:24:35 »
With a megaphone exhaust on a stroker you're just converting fuel into noise without horsepower.

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Offline Master_Spazez

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #8 on: Nov 28, 2012, 20:28:54 »
Even if it is just tacked onto the end of a tuned pipe? I understand I can't just have a straight pipe hanging off the exhaust port and expect to make power at all, but there is no way to have a megaphone on a 2-stroke? I do still have the stock exhaust which worked fine I just want that megaphone on there so bad lol.

Anyway I got a lot of the rust knocked off of the frame and I painted it and the swingarm. Next up is to clean off the forks.





Also I want to lower the bike a hair so I can reach the ground comfortably when I come to a stop, I'm a short guy! I'm not looking to put the frame an inch off the ground, just bring it down some so I'm not stretching to reach the ground when I sit on it. I'm just switching out the rear shocks to around a 12" eye-to-eye instead of a 14 1/2" shock.

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #9 on: Nov 29, 2012, 01:30:26 »
'fraid not.  You could add a small trumpet to the end of the muffler just to make an obnoxious noise I suppose, but it would sound awful.


I hear you on the seat height.  That's a heck of a difference in shock length though.  Try trimming some foam out of the seat and say 13" or 13.5" shocks.  As long as you can get one set of toes down, you will be OK.  I can't get both feet down flat on a lot of bikes - especially if the seat is wide.

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #10 on: Nov 29, 2012, 09:04:21 »
There's another way to get the same thing with out diff shocks ! You could trim down the padding in the seat and make it thinner would take 2 inches out would lower u and not the bike ?

Offline gnarshread

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #11 on: Nov 29, 2012, 12:03:04 »
Kick ass man! I cant wait to see it done. Ive got an old honda enduro in a shed I've been thinking about doing up. Keep up the work man. your progress looks really good!

Offline Master_Spazez

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #12 on: Nov 29, 2012, 22:09:40 »
Yeah I thought about the seat too since this one is toast anyway. I figured the exhaust wouldn't work so its either the stocker, or fit a race pipe off of a CR250 of the same year, I'm sure it could fit with little to no bodging. anyway I got the frame back together to make it easier to handle, don't worry the wheels will get cleaned up and that monster sprocket on the rear will go the way of the Dodo bird and be replaced by a smaller one so I could possibly see 90 going down a hill. I also finally got my 6v battery so I can test all the circuits and such to make sure it all works.



Also my clubman bars and grips came in but they're in the apartment office and they close at 6. :'( Also looking at getting custom gauge faces from Sonreir because the factory ones won't match the look of the bike at all.

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #13 on: Nov 29, 2012, 22:59:48 »
It will be quite a challenge to make a good looking Cafe Racer out of that bike, but it would make an awesome tracker.  It's really just an update on the original design intent. Mid height bars, tracker seat and it already comes with serious attitude. No need for clip ons or rear sets or any of that.

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Re: Something different here (MT250 inside)
« Reply #14 on: Nov 29, 2012, 23:16:30 »
I don't think so, if it had different tires on it it wouldn't be too hard to see it as one. I have this awesome picture in my head and I think I can pull it off, we will just have to wait and see how it forms.