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Author Topic: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread  (Read 97808 times)

Offline xb33bsa

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #110 on: Nov 12, 2013, 18:46:49 »
Having the mufflers asymmetrical on that build will make all the cool be overlooked by everyone that sees the bike.  You're on the right track correcting that issue. You know what you are doing , so continue on that track. You are the only one that can say what it was "made to be".
wrong
you can only see one side at a time most people wont even notice or care
besides a true race inspired machine is not built with emphasis on something like the mufflers "looking the same" on both sides that is putting looks ahead of pure function
maybe you best even up the pipes on your bike they don't look the same ::)

Offline o1marc

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #111 on: Nov 12, 2013, 18:53:29 »
wrong
you can only see one side at a time most people wont even notice or care
besides a true race inspired machine is not built with emphasis on something like the mufflers "looking the same" on both sides that is putting looks ahead of pure function
maybe you best even up the pipes on your bike they don't look the same ::)

Mine are not intended to be, were not designed that way and are exactly as I wanted them. They would be if I had them split from side to side. When you have a bike the caliber of mine then I might listen to your criticism. You have nothing to offer when it comes to my bike.
Your theory of mufflers contradicts your criticism of mine, so which is it? Who are you to tell a builder how his build was intended to be. This guy has gone to great lengths to see that they are matched up. You think he should change that because of your critique? ;D
« Last Edit: Nov 12, 2013, 18:56:12 by o1marc »

Offline Bevelheadmhr

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #112 on: Nov 12, 2013, 19:17:57 »
Hey guys, chill out  :), Its true that if you looked at the bike from either side, you probably wouldn't notice the difference in position of the exhaust. But from behind you certainly would. Though the point I was trying to make is that I'd know they weren't how I wanted them to be, so I'll keep going till I get them how I see them in my minds eye. I sat looking over at the bike earlier, and I think I have a solution.. then again a 2-1 would've been a lot easier  :P

There is always a trade off in Form Vs Function, in this case I'll gladly give up a couple of BHP to get it looking how I want. After all if I wanted function at all costs, I wouldn't be building a bike with an Ironhead 4 speed engine and a frame designed before I was born. I'd just go out and buy the latest ZX10R1GSXRCBRRRR, but where's the satisfaction in that that.

Offline o1marc

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #113 on: Nov 12, 2013, 20:08:32 »
Hey guys, chill out  :), Its true that if you looked at the bike from either side, you probably wouldn't notice the difference in position of the exhaust. But from behind you certainly would. Though the point I was trying to make is that I'd know they weren't how I wanted them to be, so I'll keep going till I get them how I see them in my minds eye. I sat looking over at the bike earlier, and I think I have a solution.. then again a 2-1 would've been a lot easier  :P

There is always a trade off in Form Vs Function, in this case I'll gladly give up a couple of BHP to get it looking how I want. After all if I wanted function at all costs, I wouldn't be building a bike with an Ironhead 4 speed engine and a frame designed before I was born. I'd just go out and buy the latest ZX10R1GSXRCBRRRR, but where's the satisfaction in that.

I agree with this 100%. Is your bike gonna be fast? Yes. Will mine be fast? Yes. Will they hang with a Busa, hell no. But it's an apples and oranges comparison. I doubt the difference in pipe length will amount to one horsepower with what these motors make but in most cases a bike on the street rarely, if ever, sees 100% of what it is capable of. It's the dare to be different attitude that make these builds thrive. The fact that you are building something that will heavily out perform in every aspect that of the original bike.

Offline Buster

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #114 on: Nov 12, 2013, 20:18:18 »
Your theory of mufflers contradicts your criticism of mine, so which is it? Who are you to tell a builder how his build was intended to be. This guy has gone to great lengths to see that they are matched up. You think he should change that because of your critique? ;D

This is an interesting retort, from a guy who can't let a single update from the OP go by without adding his two cents and a critique. I'd really love to just enjoy this build thread without the added 'value' of your running commentary, quite frankly.
1978 Honda CB750K cafe (in progress)
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=54796.0;last_msg=619474
1953 Harley FL chopper http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8406&highlight=panhead
1993 Harley FXRS http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34545
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1978 Yamaha XS650 cafe
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Offline o1marc

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #115 on: Nov 12, 2013, 20:25:17 »
This is an interesting retort, from a guy who can't let a single update from the OP go by without adding his two cents and a critique. I'd really love to just enjoy this build thread without the added 'value' of your running commentary, quite frankly.

I have been a regular poster on this build since he started it on another forum over a year ago. I have asked questions at time but not told him how it should be built.
It's the internet, you can't have what you want.

Offline coyote13

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #116 on: Nov 13, 2013, 12:27:22 »
I hate to post this and further clutter up a very good thread, but Marc, your tone comes off as being quite "holier than thou" a lot of times, and your incessant commentary (some good, I'll admit) is cluttering up an otherwise brilliant thread.  Buster has a point, you also have a point, but go back and read through some of your own replies with an open mind and you'll see that in many cases, Buster is right.

Food for thought, /soapbox
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Offline WeberKid

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #117 on: Nov 13, 2013, 13:13:20 »
When you have a bike the caliber of mine then I might listen to your criticism.



I hate to post this and further clutter up a very good thread, but Marc, your tone comes off as being quite "holier than thou" a lot of times, and your incessant commentary is cluttering up an otherwise brilliant thread.

Offline AgentX

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #118 on: Nov 13, 2013, 22:57:28 »
Get a room.  More bike, please.
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Offline andycafe

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Re: Norton / Harley Ironhead Cafe Project.. Build thread
« Reply #119 on: Nov 14, 2013, 04:08:12 »
Very cool mate  8) I like your ideas  ;)