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Author Topic: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.  (Read 31988 times)

Offline JadusMotorcycleParts

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #20 on: Aug 23, 2015, 12:40:28 »
Ferous, could I suggest a wheel/rim size change like RYCA do?  It might really change the attitude of the bike.  Maybe just a 18'' rear would do the trick. 

Is that the stock tank btw?

Offline FerousBastard

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #21 on: Aug 23, 2015, 14:55:31 »
Ferous, could I suggest a wheel/rim size change like RYCA do?  It might really change the attitude of the bike.  Maybe just a 18'' rear would do the trick. 

Am planning on a 3.00x17" for the rear actually. Not many bikes run that size that are readily available, so have been researching getting new alloy rim laced up. RYCA's 18" rear ends up a little narrow if it is to clear the swing arm; perfect for a Cafe racer with plenty of sticky tires available, but for a scrambler/tracker you want the the on/offroad tire options and very little unfortunately exist for 18" rears, so 17" it is.
My bike came with a 140/90-15" rear tire which is essentially the same circumference as a 120/90-17", give or take, so will serve the same purpose to get the stance right. Riding that's another matter, they do squirm a bit around corners and resist lean more than a 120 wide would - another reason to step up on the rear.

Is that the stock tank btw?

It is, for a stock unit the lines fit the bike very well so I elected to keep it. The stock speedo sitting in the middle of it does rob a few precious liters of fuel space, but it keeps the bars nice and uncluttered.

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #22 on: Aug 23, 2015, 17:55:46 »
Yeah good call with the tank.  it definitely works in the renderings anyway.

I think if you can do the 17'' rear rim conversion that would do a lot for the visual weight of the rear of the whole bike.  Plus, like you say, tyre selection for 17'' rims is massive and you also say you can fit a wider tyre there?  Hadn't thought of that (with the swingarm restriction) but that's a really good point.  I am sure you've got it covered but if you need any info on measuring/calculation and ordering a spoke set to match a different rim, shoot me a pm  :D

I am sure you have many tyres in mind, but a personal favourite (available in 17'') of mine is the heidenau k66's.  They are a very modern tyre but still have a pretty nice chunky tread - more road oriented but still look cool.

Offline FerousBastard

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #23 on: Aug 25, 2015, 14:48:54 »
Yeah good call with the tank.  it definitely works in the renderings anyway.

I think if you can do the 17'' rear rim conversion that would do a lot for the visual weight of the rear of the whole bike.  Plus, like you say, tyre selection for 17'' rims is massive and you also say you can fit a wider tyre there?  Hadn't thought of that (with the swingarm restriction) but that's a really good point.  I am sure you've got it covered but if you need any info on measuring/calculation and ordering a spoke set to match a different rim, shoot me a pm  :D

I am sure you have many tyres in mind, but a personal favourite (available in 17'') of mine is the heidenau k66's.  They are a very modern tyre but still have a pretty nice chunky tread - more road oriented but still look cool.

You could fit a wider rear, but you really wouldn't. The slimmer the tires, and more similar the front and rear tire the quicker the handling will be. Why many Cafe racers often have almost identical front and rear tires. With the amount of grunt the LS650 puts down you do need a wider rear tire when the substrate gets loose to transfer that torque down to the ground, so am aiming for a 120 wide rear tire as a compromise; faster steering through corners plus enough rubber to not spin out all the time.
Had thought about Metzler Tourance rubbers, though they are supposedly a little fast wearing, but will definitely check out the K66's thanks for the tip man!
Might need your help on calculating a spoke set actually. Scored a BMW F650 rear wheel of eBay for 20 in good condition, but had more or less given up on the thought as several wheel companies said they wouldn't touch the BMW rim because of it's weird lacing pattern. But I think if we put our minds together we might work this on out  ;)

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #24 on: Aug 25, 2015, 14:54:41 »
Like this:

« Last Edit: Aug 26, 2015, 19:05:25 by redwillissuperman »

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #25 on: Aug 25, 2015, 15:07:46 »
Remember what I said about riding? I changed my mind. Got to talking with Verslagen and Lancer, members over at Suzukisavage.com, and ordered a new plug for the head oil leak and an upgraded cam chain adjuster (common fault on the LS650) plus a Stage 3 performance cam shaft upgrade and 97mm forged Wiseco piston.
The head plug and adjuster should be here soon, but would still need to send the cam and barrel out for treatment and boring. So decided to work and get the performance mods mounted and running so I can start breaking in the new bits before winter. Quick decisions!

At the building where I live we have an old gardening shed out back, so set up shop there this afternoon and got in a few hours work on the bike. Figure I do the shed a favor cleaning it out and using it for a while, rather than letting it fall into disrepair.
Got the tank, carb, exhaust, belt and battery box off, and am more or less ready to lay the bike on its side tomorrow to get the motor out. Love working on simple bikes like this!  ;D

Offline FerousBastard

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #26 on: Aug 25, 2015, 15:16:41 »
Like this:
That bike is sweet! You say it has a 5 degree rake job? To me it just looks like it has the rica treatment; 50mm lowered fork, 12.5" shocks (maybe even 13.5"?) and 18" wheels front and rear. Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but see how the fork and rear frame rail are almost parallel, that looks to me like the stock neck angle.

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #27 on: Aug 25, 2015, 15:30:09 »
Oh, it is. Some guy is selling it for $2100. But it has custom 17-inch wheels like you were thinking.

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #28 on: Aug 25, 2015, 15:37:27 »
17's huh, that explains the wide front! Certainly pulls it off and fits with the Supermoto theme. There's light ahead still.
BTW thanks for the motivational pic  ;)

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Re: LS650 Savage - Tracker/scrambler re-design.
« Reply #29 on: Aug 26, 2015, 16:50:43 »
Got the motor out today and opened it up to get the cam off to be re-profiled and the barrel off to get bored out. It's clear that although run intermittently it was well cared for. No major signs of friction modifiers used in the oil inside the casing. The rocker faces still have their original machining clearly visible and so does the cam bearing surfaces. The barrel still has clear honing marks and the piston has only minor signs of rocking. While the piston has some carbon buildup it's to be expected from a bike which has been run with older gasoline.

The cam chain adjuster was out to a smidge under 15mm, with very slight ovalling of the housing which is a sign that it is overextending, why Suzuki would willingly install adjusters like these on their engines are beyond me.  ???

Does anyone know how to clean of that carbon so I can use this honking piston as a candy bowl?  ;)
« Last Edit: Aug 26, 2015, 16:58:28 by FerousBastard »