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Author Topic: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.  (Read 28674 times)

Offline Cursh

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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #190 on: Aug 05, 2018, 11:04:10 »
I redid the main wiring harness again. It was about 6" shorter than it could have been and it could have been just the right length. I was also having some noise chatter in the neutral light, so I figured there were some bad connections in there somewhere. Adding six inches to a harness is almost as bad as building it from scratch. Took me about 6 hours so an hour an inch (at least I was stoned/probably why I didn't get it done faster.)


I'm running into a small electrical issue. I can't for the life of me figure out how to wire a turn signal indicator (so I'm not rocketing down the road like an old with my blinker on for 45 miles.)


I think the issue is that I'm using the M.Wave instead of a traditional flasher...I'd rather have the m.wave than the turn signal indicator, so ... I might just scrap it, but that leaves the problem of needing to find a use for a third indicator light (I already put that hole there for the dummy charge light, which was short lived as it was more annoying than useful.)


Here's what I've tried and what happens: [size=78%] [/size]


I tried running an inline LED before the turn switch, but after the M.wave (grounds through the switch, and the right or left signals)
my thinking was that the light would pulse with the signals regardless of side.
I got nothing out of this at all. No blinkers, no indicator


Second I tried running an inline LED between the turn signals and ground.
My thinking was that maybe moving the indicator to the ground side would work. I tried one side at a time.
what actually happened was that either the LED blinked OR the blinker blinked. It was different for the right than the left, which was super odd.


My next two guesses are to wire the indicator before the M.Wave. The indicator may be steady (which is fine) or will it restrict power to the M.Wave and make the whole turn signal system stop working?


Last, wire it up just like a 5th turn signal and figure out how to isolate R and L so that they don't all go every time I use the blinkers.


Any insights here as to what I'm doing wrong, what I might be doing right, and now to get this thing to work?
If you see me f**cking up it's because I have no idea what I'm doing. You can either tell me I'm fucking up or watch me find out on my own. Both are appreciated.

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Offline crazypj

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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #191 on: Aug 05, 2018, 15:26:41 »
No experience with M-Wave so can't be any help sorry.
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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #192 on: Aug 06, 2018, 11:38:54 »
LED are polarized. If you don't have them wired in the correct "direction" they will not work and will block current for anything else on that circuit. That sounds like a possibility in this case.
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Offline Cursh

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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #193 on: Aug 06, 2018, 12:20:52 »
LED are polarized. If you don't have them wired in the correct "direction" they will not work and will block current for anything else on that circuit. That sounds like a possibility in this case.


Hmm. I'll check everything again because that's exactly as dumb as I've been in the past, but I think the blinkers were sorted out as everything worked when I just closed the connection with a jumper. I know I had polarity right on the LED indicator as well because I kept testing it on a 12V battery with jumpers to be sure it wasn't blown out.


Is polarity also important with those 12V indicator ones that are wired to accept either input as the positive or negative? (my neutral and hi indicators are that way and I assume the turn will be when it arrives.) When I wired in an incandescent it didn't light, but the turn signal system otherwise worked. I'm guessing that's a resistance issue more than anything else.



« Last Edit: Aug 06, 2018, 12:23:23 by Cursh »
If you see me f**cking up it's because I have no idea what I'm doing. You can either tell me I'm fucking up or watch me find out on my own. Both are appreciated.

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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #194 on: Aug 06, 2018, 12:23:40 »
Unless they're specially designed to ignore polarity, it's usually safest to assume that all LEDs have a positive and a negative side and the polarity must be respected. This is often why you need diodes to get dashboard indicator lights to work on these old bikes. The old Hondas originally used a turn signal indicator light that would change polarity based on the direction you were signalling. OK for incandescent, not OK for LED.
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Offline Cursh

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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #195 on: Aug 06, 2018, 12:33:49 »
That makes a lot of sense, actually. I've mostly taught myself by looking at old OEM wiring harnesses for the bikes I've been poaching parts off of. Lots of cool engineering in there but not all of it works with polarity.


I should probably hook up one of these other indicators I have on hand to see if I can get the results I'm looking for with the component I'm hoping to use in the end.


I'll post back if I just crossed polarity somewhere. That makes the most sense the more I think about it. I can't help but think that a "dual filament" LED indicator would completely solve this problem for me. I could wire them up just like normal turn signals.
« Last Edit: Aug 06, 2018, 12:36:59 by Cursh »
If you see me f**cking up it's because I have no idea what I'm doing. You can either tell me I'm fucking up or watch me find out on my own. Both are appreciated.

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Offline crazypj

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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #196 on: Aug 06, 2018, 14:25:46 »
. The old Hondas originally used a turn signal indicator light that would change polarity based on the direction you were signalling. OK for incandescent, not OK for LED.

 That's why I fitted two indicator warning lights, one for each side  ;D
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
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"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline Cursh

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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #197 on: Aug 06, 2018, 21:09:58 »
Okey. dumbest thing. I only swapped one of the bulbs with an LED... that's why each side acted so differently.


In the end, I just wired the indicator in as a third turn signal on each side with some 30V zener diodes I had laying around and it worked great.



Looks pretty fancy.
If you see me f**cking up it's because I have no idea what I'm doing. You can either tell me I'm fucking up or watch me find out on my own. Both are appreciated.

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1984 Honda Ascot (water-cooled paper weight)
2005 Honda Element "HD"
Bicycle enthusiast.
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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #198 on: Aug 07, 2018, 12:01:30 »
Nice.
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Re: CB360 - OEM+ lets see what happens here.
« Reply #199 on: Aug 08, 2018, 22:23:02 »

 That's why I fitted two indicator warning lights, one for each side  ;D

Same on my 360.   ;D