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Author Topic: "the Mooch"  (Read 72103 times)

Offline esmoojee

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #620 on: Jul 30, 2018, 19:53:27 »
Why can’t they go to a port of entry like other immigrants that came here in the past to establish a better life? If they’re truly seeking sanctuary then there should be no problem going about it legally. Sneaking into someone else’s country seems suspect to me. They know they’re breaking our laws but they don’t care until they’re caught. There is very little respect for the law anymore. And I’m in agreement, if you’re unhappy with the laws then do something to help change them.

Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #621 on: Jul 30, 2018, 19:59:05 »
Except that some of these immigrants may have legitimate claims for seeking asylum, which need to be heard. The "Zero tolerance" policy instigated by Sessions in April is what commenced immediate separation of children from parents with no consideration whatsoever as to the legitimacy of their claim for asylum.

Equating this as being similar to having the state take care of a child should a parent be arrested for a crime is false equivalency, and a bad example. That child would be remanded to relatives. That child's parent would be reunited with his/her child the next day if, for example, he/she spent the night in jail for DUI. The parent, if held longer, would be able to communicate with his/her child. The child would not be sent across the country, say from Texas to New York, without the parent knowing, and be held incommunicado.

It's difficult to get some people to agree that removing children from parents in this way is a violation of human rights -- some people seem to want to argue that migrants are less human in some way, and thus not deserving of basic human respect and dignity. Datadavid, will refer to them as pests or vermin, as Donald Trump does, disregarding the fact that he completely misconstrues what is happening in his native country, and avoids confronting facts.

The Southern United States had some great years in terms of their economy, prior to 1865, but it is difficult to ignore the conditions there when assessing the Southern economy. In the same way, as I keep bringing up but that nobody seems to want to engage, the level of fearmongering, lying, racism, xenophobia, misogyny, self-enriching, and swindling being done by this administration will not be ignored by history, and shouldn't be ignored now.
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Offline datadavid

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #622 on: Jul 30, 2018, 20:12:29 »
Except that some of these immigrants may have legitimate claims for seeking asylum, which need to be heard. The "Zero tolerance" policy instigated by Sessions in April is what commenced immediate separation of children from parents with no consideration whatsoever as to the legitimacy of their claim for asylum.

Equating this as being similar to having the state take care of a child should a parent be arrested for a crime is false equivalency, and a bad example. That child would be remanded to relatives. That child's parent would be reunited with his/her child the next day if, for example, he/she spent the night in jail for DUI. The parent, if held longer, would be able to communicate with his/her child. The child would not be sent across the country, say from Texas to New York, without the parent knowing, and be held incommunicado.

It's difficult to get some people to agree that removing children from parents in this way is a violation of human rights -- some people seem to want to argue that migrants are less human in some way, and thus not deserving of basic human respect and dignity. Datadavid, will refer to them as pests or vermin, as Donald Trump does, disregarding the fact that he completely misconstrues what is happening in his native country, and avoids confronting facts.

The Southern United States had some great years in terms of their economy, prior to 1865, but it is difficult to ignore the conditions there when assessing the Southern economy. In the same way, as I keep bringing up but that nobody seems to want to engage, the level of fearmongering, lying, racism, xenophobia, misogyny, self-enriching, and swindling being done by this administration will not be ignored by history, and shouldn't be ignored now.
You have no idea boy. No idea. We are being murdered and raped by your friends the migrants here, they are taking away our rights and possibilities to live peacefully in our own country, and criminalizing us for speaking out against mass migration. We have to either accept sharia law taking over sweden, or start fighting back.
It's all planned and orchestrated this way anyway, when we are fighting for our survival and the third world hordes are killing us for crumbs and iphones we are easy to rule.
And useful idiots like yourself have taken the side of the globalist murderers by advocating free mass migration and open borders. Essentially burping out their propaganda of "tolerance" and doing their job for them. If "tolerance" means extinction of europeans in favor of followers of Islam - then FUCK tolerance!!

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #623 on: Jul 30, 2018, 21:12:24 »
Except that some of these immigrants may have legitimate claims for seeking asylum, which need to be heard. The "Zero tolerance" policy instigated by Sessions in April is what commenced immediate separation of children from parents with no consideration whatsoever as to the legitimacy of their claim for asylum.

Equating this as being similar to having the state take care of a child should a parent be arrested for a crime is false equivalency, and a bad example. That child would be remanded to relatives. That child's parent would be reunited with his/her child the next day if, for example, he/she spent the night in jail for DUI. The parent, if held longer, would be able to communicate with his/her child. The child would not be sent across the country, say from Texas to New York, without the parent knowing, and be held incommunicado.

It's difficult to get some people to agree that removing children from parents in this way is a violation of human rights -- some people seem to want to argue that migrants are less human in some way, and thus not deserving of basic human respect and dignity. Datadavid, will refer to them as pests or vermin, as Donald Trump does, disregarding the fact that he completely misconstrues what is happening in his native country, and avoids confronting facts.

The Southern United States had some great years in terms of their economy, prior to 1865, but it is difficult to ignore the conditions there when assessing the Southern economy. In the same way, as I keep bringing up but that nobody seems to want to engage, the level of fearmongering, lying, racism, xenophobia, misogyny, self-enriching, and swindling being done by this administration will not be ignored by history, and shouldn't be ignored now.

Again, not a false equivalencly. These folks could have been reunited with their children as well, had they chose to leave the country.

You assume everyone has family, or even family that wants them. Many do not. They get shuffled around in foster care. If their parent can't make bail, and/or when found guilty and sentenced to time, they stay in foster care until that parent gets out and meets state guidelines to get them back. Such as a home, a job, etc.

But hey, it's cool, they're not illegal immigrants. We only get riled up over illegals getting separated for committing a crime.

Not to mention the time it takes to get documentation from another country showing that someone from another country is even related to someone here. You may remember the articles circulating a few months ago about the Obama admin handing kids over to human traffickers. Or, maybe you don't.

In event you don't. Here's an article on it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c9ff55deb353
« Last Edit: Jul 30, 2018, 21:19:59 by J-Rod10 »

Offline Sav0r

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #624 on: Jul 31, 2018, 00:33:17 »
Again, not a false equivalencly. These folks could have been reunited with their children as well, had they chose to leave the country.

You assume everyone has family, or even family that wants them. Many do not. They get shuffled around in foster care. If their parent can't make bail, and/or when found guilty and sentenced to time, they stay in foster care until that parent gets out and meets state guidelines to get them back. Such as a home, a job, etc.

But hey, it's cool, they're not illegal immigrants. We only get riled up over illegals getting separated for committing a crime.

Not to mention the time it takes to get documentation from another country showing that someone from another country is even related to someone here. You may remember the articles circulating a few months ago about the Obama admin handing kids over to human traffickers. Or, maybe you don't.

In event you don't. Here's an article on it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c9ff55deb353

So if you get a DUI or drug charge you can just leave the country and be reunited with your family?
« Last Edit: Jul 31, 2018, 00:39:53 by Sav0r »
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #625 on: Jul 31, 2018, 00:36:34 »
So if you get a DUI or drug charge you can just leave the country and be reunited with your family?
Nope. They had an out not afforded to citizens. The vast majority chose not to take it.

Offline Sav0r

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« Reply #626 on: Jul 31, 2018, 00:43:47 »
Of course not. Why? Because once detained you aren't given the option of leaving the country. You are placed in a legal system and from there good luck. There is no data to support your claim.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/how-does-immigration-court-work
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/us/politics/due-process-undocumented-immigrants.html

Good thing Trump ended "catch and release." Welcome to America, land of the free.

Also, a little presumptuous to say "many do not" want their children. Is there some data to back that up?

Finally, Obama isn't the president. Move on.
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Offline Sav0r

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« Reply #627 on: Jul 31, 2018, 00:59:59 »
Never mind that by far the majority of illegal immigrants entered the country and overstayed their visa's. The fucking border and the bullshit narrative regarding people crossing over is the least of our problem, but here we are shitting in one hand and wishing in the other.

Trump's superlatives aren't working either.

https://scholarship.law.tamu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1743&context=facscholar
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/04/10/illegal-immigration-to-america-is-rising-again
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays
https://www.fairus.org/issue/legal-immigration/visa-overstayers
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-national-guard-immigration-20180410-story.html

We should build that wall 10ft higher...
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #628 on: Jul 31, 2018, 01:04:52 »
Of course not. Why? Because once detained you aren't given the option of leaving the country. You are placed in a legal system and from there good luck. There is no data to support your claim.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/how-does-immigration-court-work
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/us/politics/due-process-undocumented-immigrants.html

Good thing Trump ended "catch and release." Welcome to America, land of the free.

Also, a little presumptuous to say "many do not" want their children. Is there some data to back that up?

Finally, Obama isn't the president. Move on.
There's a foster system chock full of children to support it.

Yes, they were given the option to leave, with their children. One of 50 different articles on it that popped up on this thing called Google.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/07/03/trump-admin-gives-separated-parents-choice-leave-us-with-kids-or-without/23473955/




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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #629 on: Jul 31, 2018, 01:08:14 »
There's a foster system chock full of children to support it.

Yes, they were given the option to leave, with their children. One of 50 different articles on it that popped up on this thing called Google.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/07/03/trump-admin-gives-separated-parents-choice-leave-us-with-kids-or-without/23473955/

So what happened before Trump gave in to the negative press?

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Under zero tolerance, immigration agents had been instructed to separate all children from parents caught crossing illegally. Trump reversed that decision with a June 20 executive order, but didn't provide a clear path toward reunification for more than 2,300 children who had already been separated.
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