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Offline J-Rod10

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #780 on: Oct 10, 2018, 12:46:24 »
I think we may have varying definitions of "civil."

An investigation dragged on for ages.

One party is actively encouraging its followers to harass the other party and its followers in public.

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« Reply #781 on: Oct 10, 2018, 13:21:09 »
One party is actively encouraging its followers to harass the other party and its followers in public.
I'm pretty sure they've both done this, but I question if this has been sanctioned by the parties or if it's actions by supporters within those parties.  I would also be reluctant to label protests as harassment, no matter where it's coming from.

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #782 on: Oct 10, 2018, 13:44:32 »
I think we may have varying definitions of "civil."

An investigation dragged on for ages.

One party is actively encouraging its followers to harass the other party and its followers in public.

Derp. What office does Hillary hold? Man the butt hurt over Kavanaugh receiving some negligible resistance just continues to grow.
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #783 on: Oct 10, 2018, 14:02:37 »
I think we may have varying definitions of "civil."

An investigation dragged on for ages.

One party is actively encouraging its followers to harass the other party and its followers in public.

You mean the Kavanaugh investigation that ignored 40 people's testimonies and lasted less than a week? Or the 2.5-year Benghazi investigation that turned up no criminal wrongdoing?

Both sides have harassed the other, but only the leader of one party has encouraged violence and extrajudicial justice for his opponents. You guessed it -- DJT!
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« Reply #784 on: Oct 10, 2018, 14:39:58 »
I'm pretty sure they've both done this, but I question if this has been sanctioned by the parties or if it's actions by supporters within those parties.  I would also be reluctant to label protests as harassment, no matter where it's coming from.

Seems sanctioned.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna886311

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« Reply #785 on: Oct 10, 2018, 14:59:20 »
Seems sanctioned.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna886311

I guess Maxine Waters said it in off the cuff remarks -- not sanctioned by the Democratic Party as you seem to imply -- after being harassed by Trump, although if you read the story other more senior dems condemned the practice. But it was occuring before Waters' statement.

But I guess as usual you don't want to acknowledge anything like these:

https://www.ajc.com/news/national-govt--politics/trump-words-show-that-yes-has-encouraged-violence/7sIekwrBayVArwRRmZf6HI/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comments-perceived-encouraging-violence/story?id=48415766

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-pacific-heart/201810/psychological-violence-and-propaganda-the-white-house

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128896/beat-protester-trumps-rally-hell-cover-legal-fees

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/28/donald-trump-midterms-private-meeting-church-antifa

So you have a Dem Rep saying it's ok to confront Republicans in public, and you have the leader of the Rep party and president saying it's OK to use physical violence against protestors and others.

Hmmm...
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« Reply #786 on: Oct 10, 2018, 15:20:15 »
Do you read most of the links you post?

He went on: “They will overturn everything that we’ve done and they’ll do it quickly and violently. And violently. There’s violence. When you look at antifa, and you look at some of these groups, these are violent people.”

Naturally, the headline implies Trump insinuated there would be violence against the Dems.

November 2015. At a rally in Alabama, Trump said about a protester, “Get him the hell out of here, will you, please? Get him out of here. Throw him out!” The following day, calling into Fox News, Trump responded to a question about allegations that the protester had been “roughed up.” The protester, Trump said, had been “so obnoxious and so loud … maybe he should have been roughed up. Maybe he should have been roughed up. Because it was totally disgusting what he was doing.”

• March 2016. At an event in Palm Beach, Fla., Trump referred to a past incident with protesters. “We have had a couple that were really violent, and the particular one when I said I’d like to bang him, that was a very — he was a guy who was swinging, very loud and then started swinging at the audience and the audience swung back, and I thought it was very, very appropriate. He was swinging, he was hitting people, and the audience hit back, and that’s what we need a little bit more of.”

One, he tells security to get a guy out, the other a guy is hitting folks, and folks hit back.

This is "inciting violence" to the left? Maybe the left is softer than I thought.
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« Reply #787 on: Oct 10, 2018, 15:32:08 »
I think there are good people on both sides, unless you are defending White Nationalists, one of which murdered a person.
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« Reply #788 on: Oct 10, 2018, 15:37:22 »
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/

There's like 6 examples where Trump, old dusty himself, incited violence.

Let's be clear though, there is nothing illegal about heckling, not in and of itself. So I'm not sure why conservatives are even whining. It's basic free speech. 
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #789 on: Oct 10, 2018, 17:52:13 »
Do you read most of the links you post?

Forgive me, but you are simply back to equivocating. The president told people at rallies to rough people up. Some of them did. Some have been charged with crimes. Antifa stands for anti-fascist. If you want to condemn violence against nazis, perhaps you should send a note to the remaining WWII vets and let them know it was a terrible thing they did. Trump seems to think choosing the side of white supremacists is choosing the right side. And remember, not all of Trump's supporters are racist, but if you support him you are OK with someone who supports racism (and all of the other bigotry).

How about this for a link between Trump rallies and violence? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/16/us/trump-rally-violence.html

I'm sure you're aware of the white guy who decked suckerpunched a black guy at a Trump rally. Where do you think he got the idea? Maybe because the guy giving the speech said it was ok and that he'd pay legal fees? And after the fact, Trump was actually thinking about paying his legal fees.

This is "inciting violence" to the left? Maybe the left is softer than I thought.

Seriously? You have been one of the few right wingers here to generally engage in discussions such as this without resorting to racism and getting banned, or just complete bluster. But you are fooling yourself if you think the last two years have been anything but ordinary. You're also fooling yourself if you think that since the economy is doing fine everything else should get a pass (which you have argued in the past). You're also fooling yourself if you think the Democrats are inciting violence and the Republicans are not. Repeatedly in this thread I've conceded things that are more open to interpretation and admitted I was wrong. How about just saying something like "yes, Donald Trump has incited violence at his rallies, called for extrajudicial imprisonment of his political enemies, and called the press the enemy of the state" instead of constantly replying with whataboutisms and equivocations? Impossible? Don't believe they're true? Believe that the press is the enemy of the people?
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